Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Uncle Rico]

Honestly, I don't care.

Secondly, Musk can do a better job of getting the garbage off the platform first before he whines about chasing advertisers off it.

Lastly, it is a good idea to charge $1/year to post (free to read). It will eliminate a lot of bots and force Anon accounts that spread hate to post their true identity with Twitter (because you cannot process a payment, even for $1, without it.)

Is Musk an anti-semite for blaming the ADL for his advertising woes since they pointed out the rise of anti-Semitic posts on X?

[Heisenberg]

Is Musk an anti-semite for blaming the ADL for his advertising woes since they pointed out the rise of anti-Semitic posts on X?

I believe he disputes the accusation. So, he is not laughing at them for whatever anti-semites on this board find funny about the ADL.

Again, this was not an issue that I looked into that much. I'm all ears if you want to show Musk's anti-semantic remarks directed at them.

Disagreeing with the ADL about the statistical measures of anti-Semitism on Twitter does not make one a Jew Hater.

[Hards Alumni]

You clearly don't get it Reeko.  Israel is as divided as we are politically.  They're not divided about what happened on Oct. 7th.

You're right, 4 out of 5 of them blame Bibi.

[Hards Alumni]

What is so funny about this organization and its mission? Why are you laughing at an organization trying to stop hatred of Jewish people just days after the most significant attack on Jews for being Jews since the Holocaust?

Anti-Deformation League
https://www.adl.org/about/mission-and-history
To stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all.

Theyre ridiculous on their face.  In their view Israel can do no wrong and any criticism of Israel gets someone labeled an antisemitic.  Which, is stupid to reasonable people.

[Hards Alumni]

This is actually rather remarkable polling

You almost never get a consensus like this

I believe when I suggested a ceasefire and deescalation I was told that I supported Hamas.  Lol. Guess I'm not alone in hoping for peace.

[Uncle Rico]

 :-Xj

I believe he disputes the accusation. So, he is not laughing at them for whatever anti-semites on this board find funny about the ADL.

Again, this was not an issue that I looked into that much. I'm all ears if you want to show Musk's anti-semantic remarks directed at them.

Disagreeing with the ADL about the statistical measures of anti-Semitism on Twitter does not make one a Jew Hater.

Disagreeing with Israel policy doesn't make one a Jew Hater either

Anyway, here is the ADL statement about Musk's X doings

https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/adl-statement-xtwitter

[Heisenberg]

I believe when I suggested a ceasefire and deescalation I was told that I supported Hamas.  Lol. Guess I'm not alone in hoping for peace.

Hamas and PIJ keep firing hundreds of rockets into Israel every day.

It is currently at 7,380 From October 7 to today.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel

Why don't you, or anyone else, call for them to stop? Why only Israel?

And when one of those rockets hit a Jewish Hospital, why is this not global news? 

And yes, on October 11, a Hamas Rocket hit the MATERNITY and CHILDREN's wing of the Barzilai Medical Center in Ashkelon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIOmAwFqubQ

What is the appropriate response from Israel to this terror? What should they do to stop it?

Ask these questions in a poll, and let's see the response.

[Uncle Rico]

Hamas and PIJ keep firing hundreds of rockets into Israel every day.

It is currently at 7,380 From October 7 to today.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel

Why don't you, or anyone else, call for them to stop? Why only Israel?

And when one of those rockets hit a Jewish Hospital, why is this not global news? 

And yes, on October 11, a Hamas Rocket hit the MATERNITY and CHILDREN's wing of the Barzilai Medical Center in Ashkelon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIOmAwFqubQ

What is the appropriate response from Israel to this terror? What should they do to stop it?

Ask these questions in a poll, and let's see the response.

Israel's response isn't dependent on an American poll.  I simply don't understand the concern people have for what Americans think about this.  Israel doesn't care nor should they

[Heisenberg]

:-Xj
Disagreeing with Israel policy doesn't make one a Jew Hater either

Anyway, here is the ADL statement about Musk's X doings

https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/adl-statement-xtwitter

Nothing wrong with political disagreements.

But we are talking about something else. Sultan (which means "leader of Muslims') started this conversation with this.

You can be anti-Israel without being antisemitic, you know.

And I said that was anti-Zionism, which the ADL said is a form of anti-semitism, which got Hards laughing.

So, the leader of Muslims (you reap what you sow with your handle in this thread, Sultan) started it by saying he does not think being against the existence of a Jewish state (which is precisely what ANTI-ISREAL means) means you are not anti-Semitic.

Even his Muslim followers would disagree with him about this.

[Heisenberg]

Israel's response isn't dependent on an American poll.  I simply don't understand the concern people have for what Americans think about this.  Israel doesn't care nor should they

Well said!

[Hards Alumni]

Hamas and PIJ keep firing hundreds of rockets into Israel every day.

It is currently at 7,380 From October 7 to today.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel

Why don't you, or anyone else, call for them to stop? Why only Israel?

And when one of those rockets hit a Jewish Hospital, why is this not global news? 

And yes, on October 11, a Hamas Rocket hit the MATERNITY and CHILDREN's wing of the Barzilai Medical Center in Ashkelon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIOmAwFqubQ

What is the appropriate response from Israel to this terror? What should they do to stop it?

Ask these questions in a poll, and let's see the response.

I've said from the beginning that both sides should stop.  Again, you're not a serious person.'

Oddly though, I'm not sure I've heard you say a single time.  Kinda weird.  Nor have you addressed Israels indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza strip that has resulted in thousands of dead, including at least a thousand children.

Hmmmm... kinda strange, man.

[Uncle Rico]

Nothing wrong with political disagreements.

But we are talking about something else. Sultan (which means "leader of Muslims') started this conversation with this.

And I said that was anti-Zionism, which the ADL said is a form of anti-semitism, which got Hards laughing.

So, the leader of Muslims (you reap what you sow with your handle in this thread, Sultan) started it by saying he does not think being against the existence of a Jewish state (which is precisely what ANTI-ISREAL means) means you are not anti-Semitic.

Even his Muslim followers would disagree with him about this.

You're speaking in absolutes.  Anti-Israel can mean disagreeing with Israeli policy.  If you can't disagree with anything Israel does or has done, that's simply anti-American. 

[Heisenberg]

You're speaking in absolutes.  Anti-Israel can mean disagreeing with Israeli policy.  If you can't disagree with anything Israel does or has done, that's simply anti-American.

If Ds disagree with Rs, are they anti-American?
If Rs disagree with Ds are they anti-American?

No, and no

So, this is not the same as someone saying they are anti-American.

[rocket surgeon]

"Rep. Summer Lee, D-Pa., a member of the far-left "Squad," uncharacteristically declared "all lives do matter" during a press conference calling for a ceasefire in the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas."


so there ya'll have it...it's ok after all i guess since summer just gave it her blessing.  you guys just wouldn't listen   
     
   i was just ahead of my time  next thing ya know, they might even hold blm accountable for all of there financials

[Heisenberg]

I've said from the beginning that both sides should stop.  Again, you're not a serious person.'

Oddly though, I'm not sure I've heard you say a single time.  Kinda weird.  Nor have you addressed Israels indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza strip that has resulted in thousands of dead, including at least a thousand children.

Hmmmm... kinda strange, man.

What is not being a serious person is adopting the "good people on both sides" argument that you are saying.
Who said that? I'm having a hard time remembering!

The world is full is hard realities.

Here is my position

Look back to how the Allies handled the end and aftermath of World War II. Rather than punishing the Axis powers, the propped up Japan and Germany, learning from the mistakes of the post-WWI fallout that led Germany right back to war less than 2 decades later. Those countries became industrial, economic, and democratic powers. They became some of our most important allies in the generations to come. Helping our enemies created allies.

But what else did we do? We dropped bombs to send a warning to the Soviet Union. That led to them pursuing the atomic bomb themselves, the Cold War, and our biggest geopolitical enemy for generations. We also bombed Palestinians out of their homes and helped create what turned into an apartheid state in Israel. Rather than the Allies being willing to cede territory of their own for a new Jewish home state, they deliberately created the situation that led to where we are now.

None of this excuses Hamas. What they did was terrible, awful, evil. But if the response is to raze Gaza, to punish 2 million Palestinians for the actions of a minority, we WILL create a bigger problem down the line. Because that is flawed thinking born out by generations of matching violence with violence. Give them the opportunity to thrive, like we did with Germany and Japan, and they will thrive. Give them hate and they will revisit that hate on you.

We did punish the hell out of the Axis powers.  Germany was split into two countries for 40 years. East Germany had a big wall around it (sound familiar) and was effectively an open-air prison (sound familiar). Anyone thinking of leaving was murdered and left to rot on the barbed wire as a warning for others who harbored similar thoughts.

West Germany was run by Allied Generals, most notably George Marshall in Germany and Douglas MacArthur in Japan. Effectively, they were colonized (sound familiar). Germany lived as an anpartied state until 1989 (sound familiar).

And why did the Germans not fight back to these conditions? Why did they just shut up and make BMWs until they were a manufacturing power?

Because one side overwhelmingly won, they demanded and got unconditional surrender. This is how peace is achieved. One side has to win overwhelmingly, and the other side succumbs.


I bring this up as this goes to the "proportional response." What is the appropriate proportional response by Israel?  To answer this, you have to define the problem.

Israel defines the problem as an attack on their very existence, and if they lose this fight, it will be nothing short of a second holocaust. They believe they cannot lose this fight, and "what it takes" to win, they will do.

To this end, Israel points to the "proportional responses" in WW2.  To get Germany to succumb, the Allied powers fire-bombed Dresden between February 13 - 15, 1945. At least 25,000 civilians (some estimates have it much higher) were incinerated in less than 48 hours. The intention and message were clear ... give up.  The same thing happened in Japan in August 1945.  Seventy thousand people were killed in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The purpose was to tell the Japanese they would give up and unconditionally surrender.

A lasting peace is finally achieved when one side so thoroughly wins that the outcome is unconditional surrender.

This is how you get peace in the Middle East or anywhere else with unresolvable conflict.  It is ugly and horrible to look at. But the alternative of not winning and not getting an unconditional surrender is worrying about your continued existence.[/quote]

[Uncle Rico]

If Ds disagree with Rs, are they anti-American
If Rs disagree with Ds are they anti-American?

No, and no

So, this is not the same as someone saying they are anti-American.

You're missing the point.  Criticism of Israeli policy isn't anti-semitic and if you can't criticize Israeli policy, that's anti-American.

[Uncle Rico]

"Rep. Summer Lee, D-Pa., a member of the far-left "Squad," uncharacteristically declared "all lives do matter" during a press conference calling for a ceasefire in the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas."


so there ya'll have it...it's ok after all i guess since summer just gave it her blessing.  you guys just wouldn't listen   
     
   i was just ahead of my time  next thing ya know, they might even hold blm accountable for all of there financials

4 out of 10

[Heisenberg]

You're missing the point.  Criticism of Israeli policy isn't anti-semitic and if you can't criticize Israeli policy, that's anti-American.

He said ANTI-ISREAL. That has a specific meaning here. It is not the same as saying anti-French.

[Uncle Rico]

He said ANTI-ISREAL. That has a specific meaning here. It is not the same as saying anti-French.

That's not what he meant.

[Hards Alumni]

That's not what he meant.

+1. 

[Uncle Rico]

+1.

His next post was "Israel has a right to exist"

[Jockey]

Israel's response isn't dependent on an American poll.  I simply don't understand the concern people have for what Americans think about this.  Israel doesn't care nor should they

Not to mention that a high percentage of people who respond simply lie.

[Lennys Tap]

I believe when I suggested a ceasefire and deescalation I was told that I supported Hamas.  Lol. Guess I'm not alone in hoping for peace.

You suggested a cease fire right after the horrific attack on Israeli civilians by Hamas. Then you said only the Israelis could have bombed the hospital in Gaza that the Palestinians bombed.

And then you claimed to be neutral and everyone had a good laugh.

[Hards Alumni]

What is not being a serious person is adopting the "good people on both sides" argument that you are saying.
Who said that? I'm having a hard time remembering!

The world is full is hard realities.

Here is my position

We did punish the hell out of the Axis powers.  Germany was split into two countries for 40 years. East Germany had a big wall around it (sound familiar) and was effectively an open-air prison (sound familiar). Anyone thinking of leaving was murdered and left to rot on the barbed wire as a warning for others who harbored similar thoughts.

West Germany was run by Allied Generals, most notably George Marshall in Germany and Douglas MacArthur in Japan. Effectively, they were colonized (sound familiar). Germany lived as an anpartied state until 1989 (sound familiar).

And why did the Germans not fight back to these conditions? Why did they just shut up and make BMWs until they were a manufacturing power?

Because one side overwhelmingly won, they demanded and got unconditional surrender. This is how peace is achieved. One side has to win overwhelmingly, and the other side succumbs.


I bring this up as this goes to the "proportional response." What is the appropriate proportional response by Israel?  To answer this, you have to define the problem.

Israel defines the problem as an attack on their very existence, and if they lose this fight, it will be nothing short of a second holocaust. They believe they cannot lose this fight, and "what it takes" to win, they will do.

To this end, Israel points to the "proportional responses" in WW2.  To get Germany to succumb, the Allied powers fire-bombed Dresden between February 13 - 15, 1945. At least 25,000 civilians (some estimates have it much higher) were incinerated in less than 48 hours. The intention and message were clear ... give up.  The same thing happened in Japan in August 1945.  Seventy thousand people were killed in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The purpose was to tell the Japanese they would give up and unconditionally surrender.

A lasting peace is finally achieved when one side so thoroughly wins that the outcome is unconditional surrender.

This is how you get peace in the Middle East or anywhere else with unresolvable conflict.  It is ugly and horrible to look at. But the alternative of not winning and not getting an unconditional surrender is worrying about your continued existence.

So your solution is to treat the Gaza strip like Dresden?  Do you think that if Israel goes that route the world will just stand by and watch it happen?  I have my doubts.  Furthermore, they'll probably alienate a ton of their allies if they do.

Furthermore, say Israel achieves a total victory and blows the Gaza Strip to hell... What happens in the West Bank?  Ethnic cleansing of the Arabs who live there?  Do you think this would have a positive impact on Israel's national security?  What is the final outcome?  Where does this end?  At this point, I'm genuinely curious.

[Heisenberg]

That's not what he meant.

Then, he could have had a better choice of words.

And since he advertises himself as the Sultan of Semantics, we are supposed to take him precisely.

And, again, he might have meant something else, but he should know for an American to say you can be "anti-Isreal" is not anti-Semitic in this context has a specific meaning.