Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[MuggsyB]

It's amazing that what you're describing already sorta happened, and our response had no effect.  Terrorist orgs still exist and the world isn't any safer.  Al-Qaeda still exists.  The Taliban still runs Afghanistan.  The US is several trillion dollars poorer for our fury.  IT DOESN'T WORK, MUGS.

We have not used tbe power I'm talking about and our Afghanistan conplete withdrawal wasn't smart and executed horribly as well.  We should  be in full attack mode to eradicate Islamic terrorists from the face of the earth.

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And if more scumbag terrorists arise and continue their genocidal and disgusting behavior?  Batter up.  If they want to continue to teach this bshit in their schools make it crystal clear the result will be painful, and an immediate introduction to darkness. 

If we do what we are more than capable of doing it will deter future genocides.  And yes, I would have taken out Putin immediately and send a more than strong message to China.  You want to know why we have to be the world's police?  And maintain some sort of balance of power?  Because if there is a China/Russia/Iranian leadership axis the result will be horrific for humanity.  They are 100/100 on the jgoff fking ayhole scale and subjugate their people.  We aren't perfect by any means but are Mother Theresa's in comparison.   Listen to the Israeli leadership right now, they are 1000% correct. 

[Hards Alumni]

Every single deal that has been offered over the years has been rejected by Palestinian leadership and there have been no Jews or settlements in Gaza since 2005.  Iran is Hamas.  Iran is Hezbollah. Iran's leadership is evil.  You want to save lives long term?  Get rid of the Mullahs, destroy their nuclear facilities, and seize their oil assets.  The idea that any deal can be made with Iran is absurd .  The first thing they will do if they get a nuclear bomb is launch it at Israel.  This is an attack on civilization and humanity, we can't wait to act.

Strange, I'm  pretty sure that the US was the one that blew up the Iran nuclear deal.

[Hards Alumni]

I've said that we should usurp all of the oil reserves in the entire Middle East for years.

And you think the rest of the world would just allow that to happen?   

[Jockey]

Absolutely bonkers.

[forgetful]

Muggsy, are you ok with the fact that Israel settlers (civilians) have opened fire on funerals (for Palestinian civilians killed by Israeli police), killing more Palestinian civilians (including children), while Israeli military just stood by and watched (no arrests, no nothing)?

Are you ok with the fact that Journalists have been fired on and killed? Including a group that fled a building they were told to evacuate, only for Israel to bomb a completely different building that the journalists and civilians fled to?

Are you ok with white phosphorous shells being fired at Children's hospitals?

Are you ok with the "proportional response" being the equivalent of killing 166,000 women and children in the US (1000 women and children have already been killed in the retaliatory strikes: 700 children)?

The Hamas terrorist strike was horrific. I can't imagine being one of those civilians at the music festival, or in nearby settlements. There is no justifying such horrific actions. Israel has a right to defend itself. But right now you are supporting all the above as perfectly justifiable.

Many of us here condemn both. Many of us also disagreed with the US when we attacked Iraq, because it is not a just response.

I have friends/colleagues stuck on both sides of borders over there. I worry about them all. All of them are innocent. I have colleagues in the IDF that have been called up, and want nothing to do with what is to come. I have friends in the US military that will be the first ones on the ground if all of this goes sideways. I worry about their lives, and the lives of their families.

What shocks me, and I think others here, is how you and others seem to be excited about retaliation, that puts so many peoples lives in jeopardy, and when the outcome will be decades of more violence and death.

All of what is going on right now is disgusting. I don't know a solution. But I do know as a Christian, that I should show compassion for all innocents, and pray for peace.

[Hards Alumni]

I do not believe there is direct evidence, but there is historic support. There's also the statements from Saudi Arabia blaming the attacks on Israel, which posters like Muggsy say is direct support.

Regarding the "rivalry" with Iran, note that Saudi Arabia is in the process of normalizing relations with Iran, they had recent discussions about Arab solidarity, specifically as it relates to Israel/Palestine.

People point to the possible normalization of relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel, but I don't think they were ever going to happen, because the far-right in Israel was against it, for multiple reasons, including the fact that it would include Saudi Arabia getting nuclear reactors.

Iranians aren't Arabs.  Sorry, just picking nits on an otherwise truthful post. 

[Uncle Rico]

We have not used tbe power I'm talking about and our Afghanistan conplete withdrawal wasn't smart and executed horribly as well.  We should  be in full attack mode to eradicate Islamic terrorists from the face of the earth.

Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack

Etc
Etc
Etc

And if more scumbag terrorists arise and continue their genocidal and disgusting behavior?  Batter up.  If they want to continue to teach this bcrap in their schools make it crystal clear the result will be painful, and an immediate introduction to darkness. 

If we do what we are more than capable of doing it will deter future genocides.  And yes, I would have taken out Putin immediately and send a more than strong message to China.  You want to know why we have to be the world's police?  And maintain some sort of balance of power?  Because if there is a China/Russia/Iranian leadership axis the result will be horrific for humanity.  They are 100/100 on the jgoff fking ayhole scale and subjugate their people.  We aren't perfect by any means but are Mother Theresa's in comparison.   Listen to the Israeli leadership right now, they are 1000% correct.

Anyone with a basic understanding of history would have known how our involvement in Afghanistan would end.

[#UnleashSean]

But you only mean open to third world countries yes? I got confused when you said how hard it was to move to Germany etc.

Well, really.... anyone outside of the EU. It's pretty tough for an American to move there as well.

[reinko]

Sorry to dox you Muggsy

https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1713168503107174866?s=46&t=1VPsVLoWWbtblV9sGVm3Jg

[brewcity77]

We have not used tbe power I'm talking about and our Afghanistan conplete withdrawal wasn't smart and executed horribly as well.  We should  be in full attack mode to eradicate Islamic terrorists from the face of the earth.

Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack

Etc
Etc
Etc

And if more scumbag terrorists arise and continue their genocidal and disgusting behavior?  Batter up.  If they want to continue to teach this bcrap in their schools make it crystal clear the result will be painful, and an immediate introduction to darkness. 

If we do what we are more than capable of doing it will deter future genocides.  And yes, I would have taken out Putin immediately and send a more than strong message to China.  You want to know why we have to be the world's police?  And maintain some sort of balance of power?  Because if there is a China/Russia/Iranian leadership axis the result will be horrific for humanity.  They are 100/100 on the jgoff fking ayhole scale and subjugate their people.  We aren't perfect by any means but are Mother Theresa's in comparison.   Listen to the Israeli leadership right now, they are 1000% correct.

Never thought I'd say this, but it seems Dodds was right.

[21Jumpstreet]

Brew,

This propoportially would have been like 36,000 Americans slaughtered in one day.  If this happened in our country, from Hamas or Hezbollah, do you think our response would be we need to show restraint/peace?  You don't think we would go into Gaza and get all of them?  You don't think we would attack Iran directly?  We're dealing with pure evil/barbarism/and terror. And people are celebrating in the streets over this here and all over the world.  It's sickening and the idea of "peace" or a "ceasefire" after a slaughter of totally innocent citizens, when the survival of a country and its people are at stake, is a fking joke

What if the militant blackjack dealers at Potawatomi decide to rise up against the state of Wisconsin, do we bomb the hell out of Milwaukee? Do we kill all the servers, craps and roulette table pit bosses, gamblers tourists, diners at Poto? The MU soccer players?

I'm being intentionally hyperbolic, and we have seen US reactions to attacks from both inside and outside our country. Results weren't/aren't pretty. And, of course, some of what you wrote, I couldn't agree more. I am of the opinion that protection is one thing, retaliation another.

[Hards Alumni]

What if the militant blackjack dealers at Potawatomi decide to rise up against the state of Wisconsin, do we bomb the hell out of Milwaukee? Do we kill all the servers, craps and roulette table pit bosses, gamblers tourists, diners at Poto? The MU soccer players?

I'm being intentionally hyperbolic, and we have seen US reactions to attacks from both inside and outside our country. Results weren't/aren't pretty. And, of course, some of what you wrote, I couldn't agree more. I am of the opinion that protection is one thing, retaliation another.

You forgot to also target the Oneida Bingo and Casino in Green Bay for good measure.

[21Jumpstreet]

You forgot to also target the Oneida Bingo and Casino in Green Bay for good measure.

Precisely, well stated.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

As proof to your point that Hamas could care less about Palestinians, they've told civilians to ignore IDF warnings to evacuate Gaza.

Not defending Hamas, not defending their actions, but their reasoning is likely because they think if they leave they will never get this land back.

[GB Warrior]

Not defending Hamas, not defending their actions, but their reasoning is likely because they think if they leave they will never get this land back.

In a couple weeks, some people here will be talking about how Israel was goaded into committing human rights abuses

[Galway Eagle]

Well, really.... anyone outside of the EU. It's pretty tough for an American to move there as well.

It's pretty simple to get Irish citizenship if you're first or second generation removed. It's super easy to get Italian citizenship as it's just a drop of blood rule as long as nobody disavowed their Italian citizenship in the family tree.

Poland is even easier than Italy as it's just anyone who has a polish ancestor that emigrated after 1919, even if they disavowed it you can still qualify.

There's other routes as well but the point is that roughly a population of the 5 biggest GMAs in the USA is eligible for EU citizenship and that's a pretty massive quantity of people to easily move certainly a large enough population that you could argue it's not that difficult for Americans.

[TedBaxter]

Muggsy, are you ok with the fact that Israel settlers (civilians) have opened fire on funerals (for Palestinian civilians killed by Israeli police), killing more Palestinian civilians (including children), while Israeli military just stood by and watched (no arrests, no nothing)?

Are you ok with the fact that Journalists have been fired on and killed? Including a group that fled a building they were told to evacuate, only for Israel to bomb a completely different building that the journalists and civilians fled to?

Are you ok with white phosphorous shells being fired at Children's hospitals?

Are you ok with the "proportional response" being the equivalent of killing 166,000 women and children in the US (1000 women and children have already been killed in the retaliatory strikes: 700 children)?

The Hamas terrorist strike was horrific. I can't imagine being one of those civilians at the music festival, or in nearby settlements. There is no justifying such horrific actions. Israel has a right to defend itself. But right now you are supporting all the above as perfectly justifiable.

Many of us here condemn both. Many of us also disagreed with the US when we attacked Iraq, because it is not a just response.

I have friends/colleagues stuck on both sides of borders over there. I worry about them all. All of them are innocent. I have colleagues in the IDF that have been called up, and want nothing to do with what is to come. I have friends in the US military that will be the first ones on the ground if all of this goes sideways. I worry about their lives, and the lives of their families.

What shocks me, and I think others here, is how you and others seem to be excited about retaliation, that puts so many peoples lives in jeopardy, and when the outcome will be decades of more violence and death.

All of what is going on right now is disgusting. I don't know a solution. But I do know as a Christian, that I should show compassion for all innocents, and pray for peace.

Well said. 

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

In a couple weeks, some people here will be talking about how Israel was goaded into committing human rights abuses

"Look what you made me do!". Classic abuser behavior

[#UnleashSean]

I just wanna know why the Ukraine thread is at like 6 pages after a year, but this is already at 30.



Does scoop just love talking about religion that much?

[#UnleashSean]

It's pretty simple to get Irish citizenship if you're first or second generation removed. It's super easy to get Italian citizenship as it's just a drop of blood rule as long as nobody disavowed their Italian citizenship in the family tree.

Poland is even easier than Italy as it's just anyone who has a polish ancestor that emigrated after 1919, even if they disavowed it you can still qualify.

There's other routes as well but the point is that roughly a population of the 5 biggest GMAs in the USA is eligible for EU citizenship and that's a pretty massive quantity of people to easily move certainly a large enough population that you could argue it's not that difficult for Americans.

So if I'm Irish I may be able to move to Ireland, if I'm polish I may be able to move to Poland, if I'm Italian I *may* be able to move to Italy. But if you're Italian American and want to move to the uk, it's super hard. If I am Irish-American but want to move to Germany, I'm screwed.

I don't like the scoop argument of "moving goalposts" but I feel like that's essentially what you just did.

In GENERAL, it is much harder for someone to move to Canada, Germany, UK, Italy, etc then it is to immigrate to the US

[tower912]

I just wanna know why the Ukraine thread is at like 6 pages after a year, but this is already at 30.



Does scoop just love talking about religion that much?

There was a 34 page thread about the war in Ukraine that got locked.   The 6 page thread was started due to the coup-like event began in June.

[#UnleashSean]

But I do know as a Christian, that I should show compassion for all innocents, and pray for peace.

Something something.... crusades.... priests and little boys.... persecution of gays..... something something brown people ...


Yep! Christianity is a great thing!

[#UnleashSean]

There was a 34 page thread about the war in Ukraine that got locked.   The 6 page thread was started due to the coup-like event began in June.

Hmmm, my bad. I don't remember the ukraine war one ever gaining much traction.

[tower912]

I went looking for it.  Ultimately shut down because Lenny, Ziggy, and Withoutbias got in a fight about Sultan.

[Lennys Tap]

https://www.thefp.com/p/daniel-pearl-cousin-hamas-idealism

Interesting and heartbreaking take. Difficult for Israelis to remained nuanced in the face of evil.