Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[ATL MU Warrior]

This is how a competent leader handles a difficult situation. Brains, balls, and a spine of steel, aina?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12625093/amp/DeSantis-launches-Israel-flights-bring-stranded-Jewish-Floridians-slams-Biden-administration-slow-response.html

Holy hell

[Hards Alumni]

Putting aside the potential refugee quagmire for a minute, I do genuinely wonder what some people would like the IDF to do.  Obviously not agreeing with "civilians treated as Hamas" in any way shape or form, but in terms of the counteroffensive.

They can cede that Hamas is evil and should be attacked/eliminated.  But not as to inconvenience anyone in Gaza?  48 hours isn't enough time.  So should they wait a week while Hamas moves all high value targets out and brings more reinforcements/weapons in? 

Hamas is specifically telling people to ignore IDF evacuation orders, so since people are not evacuating, the IDF should just stand down?

It's a horrible and incredibly complex military situation.  But the biggest issue, for me, is that neither the IDF or Hamas cares too much about Palestinian civilian repercussions in pursuit of their current mission.  But the difference, for me, is that excessive civilian casualties actually benefit Hamas and can't be disregarded as it pertains to their strategy and mission.  It's just awful all around

Well if you want my opinion, now is the time to figure out a proper peaceful resolution.  Is that realistic?  Probably not.  I have no doubt that Israel will try to eliminate Hamas.  And I have no doubt that they will fail to eliminate every extremist in Gaza.  All of this is just kicking the can down the road.  Destruction of Gaza and the wholesale annihilation of its people will only radicalize more Muslims.

I don't think the invasion will have the intended effect.  Someone will say, "we had to do SOMETHING" in a few years when we look back on the larger mess that has been created.

Just think of the blood and treasure that was thrown away in Iraq and Afghanistan because the US was deep in its fear and feelings.  Osama bin Laden is finally dead, but that took more than a decade.  It's a enormous waste of time, resources, and life.

In short, I have no idea how to resolve the situation, but I don't think the invasion is a good idea.  There will be a lot of dead Israelis and Hamas fighters and nothing will change.

[4everwarriors]

Republicans should nominate him for president.  Pudding Fingers would probably get a lot more support than the guy that just called Hezbollah smart and Israel dumb

On this we agree, Petrocelli. DeSantis has been my choice all along, much to the disappointment of Nads, who despite knowing my sentiments, wants everyone here to believe I favor Trump, hey?

[MUBurrow]

This is how a competent leader handles a difficult situation. Brains, balls, and a spine of steel, aina?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12625093/amp/DeSantis-launches-Israel-flights-bring-stranded-Jewish-Floridians-slams-Biden-administration-slow-response.html

Credit where its due, from that article that looks to be a great thing and seems like the federal administration should have moved faster to get it done.

[Uncle Rico]

On this we agree, Petrocelli. DeSantis has been my choice all along, much to the disappointment of Nads, who despite knowing my sentiments, wants everyone here to believe I favor Trump, hey?

Such a shame you'll be voting for this anti-semite instead, aina?

https://x.com/noahcrothman/status/1712632972216578122?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q

[MU82]

This is how a competent leader handles a difficult situation. Brains, balls, and a spine of steel, aina?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12625093/amp/DeSantis-launches-Israel-flights-bring-stranded-Jewish-Floridians-slams-Biden-administration-slow-response.html

Cory Mills for president. He beat both DeSantis and Biden, who announced plans the same day.

[Hards Alumni]

On this we agree, Petrocelli. DeSantis has been my choice all along, much to the disappointment of Nads, who despite knowing my sentiments, wants everyone here to believe I favor Trump, hey?

DeSantis is a loser with zero charisma.  Not surprising you love him.

[Skatastrophy]

Cory Mills for president. He beat both DeSantis and Biden, who announced plans the same day.

That was my takeaway from the article too, good on Cory Mills.

DeSantis wouldn't be caught dead talking to regular folks. Much less stuck with a plane full of them.

[MuggsyB]

Well if you want my opinion, now is the time to figure out a proper peaceful resolution.  Is that realistic?  Probably not.  I have no doubt that Israel will try to eliminate Hamas.  And I have no doubt that they will fail to eliminate every extremist in Gaza.  All of this is just kicking the can down the road.  Destruction of Gaza and the wholesale annihilation of its people will only radicalize more Muslims.

I don't think the invasion will have the intended effect.  Someone will say, "we had to do SOMETHING" in a few years when we look back on the larger mess that has been created.

Just think of the blood and treasure that was thrown away in Iraq and Afghanistan because the US was deep in its fear and feelings.  Osama bin Laden is finally dead, but that took more than a decade.  It's a enormous waste of time, resources, and life.

In short, I have no idea how to resolve the situation, but I don't think the invasion is a good idea.  There will be a lot of dead Israelis and Hamas fighters and nothing will change.

A peaceful solution??  A terrorist group slaughters 1200+ Israelis,, 27 Americans, Europeans, has150 hostages, and your solution is "peace'?  This is fking asinine.  Do you understand that Hamas' sole purpose is to murder Jews and for every one of them to leave the State of Israel?  It's literally in their charter.

I hate to break it to you but shi ite Muslims are all technically radicalized.  Creating more scumbags by destroying Hamas is not Israrel or our concern right now, nor do I think it means more will become whackos. Frankly if the Jews in Israel raised their hands right now every single one of them would be murdered by Hamas, Hezbollah, and the other terrorist groups there.  If the opposite occurred tbe IDF wouldn't kill the Gazans.

Israel is at war for there survival and we are also at war with Terrorist/Militant Islamists.  We should already be attacking with preemptive strikes on Hezbollah.  We should send a CLEAR message to the surrounding Arab states that this sht will not be tolerated by the United States or Western World.  We should seize the oil refineries in Iran, obliterate their nuclear facilities, and without warning have a Denzel/Neeson /Bronson like attack on the Mullahs.   

There are many, many, many other things we should do to stop future violence from these fanatical fkbags.  Appeasement does not work Neville Hards.  Period.  I want to be clear:  I'm a proponent of Unrelenting Power/Force and support  🇮🇱 1000%.  There's no other way and if we kitten-foot around, this will just be an ephemeral solution.  Now, I would go much further than this but this is absolutely what we should do for starters. 

[Uncle Rico]

A peaceful solution??  A terrorist group slaughters 1200+ Israelis,, 27 Americans, Europeans, has150 hostages, and your solution is "peace'?  This is fking asinine.  Do you understand that Hamas' sole purpose is to murder Jews and for every one of them to leave the State of Israel?  It's literally in their charter.

I hate to break it to you but shi ite Muslims are all technically radicalized.  Creating more scumbags by destroying Hamas is not Israrel or our concern right now, nor do I think it means more will become whackos. Frankly if the Jews in Israel raised their hands right now every single one of them would be murdered by Hamas, Hezbollah, and the other terrorist groups there.  If the opposite occurred tbe IDF wouldn't kill the Gazans.

Israel is at war for there survival and we are also at war with Terrorist/Militant Islamists.  We should already be attacking with preemptive strikes on Hezbollah.  We should send a CLEAR message to the surrounding Arab states that this sht will not be tolerated by the United States or Western World.  We should seize the oil refineries in Iran, obliterate their nuclear facilities, and without warning have a Denzel/Neeson /Bronson like attack on the Mullahs.   

There are many, many, many other things we should do to stop future violence from these fanatical fkbags.  Appeasement does not work Neville Hards.  Period.  I want to be clear:  I'm a proponent of Unrelenting Power/Force and support  🇮🇱 1000%.  There's no other way and if we kitten-foot around, this will just be an ephemeral solution.  Now, I would go much further than this but this is absolutely what we should do for starters.

You can probably join a volunteer group and go help with the fight. 

[Hards Alumni]

A peaceful solution??  A terrorist group slaughters 1200+ Israelis,, 27 Americans, Europeans, has150 hostages, and your solution is "peace'?  This is fking asinine.  Do you understand that Hamas' sole purpose is to murder Jews and for every one of them to leave the State of Israel?  It's literally in their charter.

I hate to break it to you but shi ite Muslims are all technically radicalized.  Creating more scumbags by destroying Hamas is not Israrel or our concern right now, nor do I think it means more will become whackos. Frankly if the Jews in Israel raised their hands right now every single one of them would be murdered by Hamas, Hezbollah, and the other terrorist groups there.  If the opposite occurred tbe IDF wouldn't kill the Gazans.

Israel is at war for there survival and we are also at war with Terrorist/Militant Islamists.  We should already be attacking with preemptive strikes on Hezbollah.  We should send a CLEAR message to the surrounding Arab states that this sht will not be tolerated by the United States or Western World.  We should seize the oil refineries in Iran, obliterate their nuclear facilities, and without warning have a Denzel/Neeson /Bronson like attack on the Mullahs.   

There are many, many, many other things we should do to stop future violence from these fanatical fkbags.  Appeasement does not work Neville Hards.  Period.  I want to be clear:  I'm a proponent of Unrelenting Power/Force and support  🇮🇱 1000%.  There's no other way and if we kitten-foot around, this will just be an ephemeral solution.  Now, I would go much further than this but this is absolutely what we should do for starters.

And Israel has responded by making large swaths of the Gaza strip uninhabitable.  Well over 1700 dead on the Palestinian side, children included.

Where do you want this to end?  You have an unrealistic dream of extreme bloodshed.  If you're so keen on it then volunteer.  Go fight Hamas.  You won't because that would be difficult.  Instead you're calling for the wholesale destruction of the Middle East without considering any of the blow back or consequences.  You're asking for the Bush doctrine again after it worked so well last time?  As others have said in this thread, you're not a serious person.  You're lost in your emotions.

You're acting like a lunatic and also have a poor understanding of history.  I honestly can't tell if you're just memeing at this point or if you're serious.  Which should disturb you.

[4everwarriors]

How the BOTUS handles this Middle East crisis will be a defining event in his presidency. After totally bungling the  Afghanistan withdrawal, he has an opportunity now, particularly as we get closer to the election, to redeem himself. Handle this with strength and balls, and he will undoubtedly be the front runner for another term. Fook this up and he might as well pack his bags, get a ticket on the dog bus, and secure his place in history along side Jimmy Carter, hey?

[#UnleashSean]

Umm wait till you find out about the open borders between EU nations and the open border between Ireland and UK.

I mean sure if you ignore 26 other EU nations that can enter and live in Germany freely then I'm sure it's real difficult but that's 14% of all nations and a large large chunk of the first world given there's only 31 recognized first world nations in a brief google search.

I did figure someone would bring up the European union.... however that functions much more like the USA federal and state system.


But do tell me how easily a Mexican, american or Venezuelan receives a work visa, social services, and citizenship in Germany.

[Uncle Rico]

How the BOTUS handles this Middle East crisis will be a defining event in his presidency. After totally bungling the  Afghanistan withdrawal, he has an opportunity now, particularly as we get closer to the election, to redeem himself. Handle this with strength and balls, and he will undoubtedly be the front runner for another term. Fook this up and he might as well pack his bags, get a ticket on the dog bus, and secure his place in history along side Jimmy Carter, hey?

Too bad he has to work with Netanyahu who is an abject failure

[Hards Alumni]

How the BOTUS handles this Middle East crisis will be a defining event in his presidency. After totally bungling the  Afghanistan withdrawal, he has an opportunity now, particularly as we get closer to the election, to redeem himself. Handle this with strength and balls, and he will undoubtedly be the front runner for another term. Fook this up and he might as well pack his bags, get a ticket on the dog bus, and secure his place in history along side Jimmy Carter, hey?

What do you suggest?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

A peaceful solution??  A terrorist group slaughters 1200+ Israelis,, 27 Americans, Europeans, has150 hostages, and your solution is "peace'?  This is fking asinine.  Do you understand that Hamas' sole purpose is to murder Jews and for every one of them to leave the State of Israel?  It's literally in their charter.

I hate to break it to you but shi ite Muslims are all technically radicalized.  Creating more scumbags by destroying Hamas is not Israrel or our concern right now, nor do I think it means more will become whackos. Frankly if the Jews in Israel raised their hands right now every single one of them would be murdered by Hamas, Hezbollah, and the other terrorist groups there.  If the opposite occurred tbe IDF wouldn't kill the Gazans.

Israel is at war for there survival and we are also at war with Terrorist/Militant Islamists.  We should already be attacking with preemptive strikes on Hezbollah.  We should send a CLEAR message to the surrounding Arab states that this sht will not be tolerated by the United States or Western World.  We should seize the oil refineries in Iran, obliterate their nuclear facilities, and without warning have a Denzel/Neeson /Bronson like attack on the Mullahs.   

There are many, many, many other things we should do to stop future violence from these fanatical fkbags.  Appeasement does not work Neville Hards.  Period.  I want to be clear:  I'm a proponent of Unrelenting Power/Force and support  🇮🇱 1000%.  There's no other way and if we kitten-foot around, this will just be an ephemeral solution.  Now, I would go much further than this but this is absolutely what we should do for starters.

I assume that it was just an oversight on your part that you failed to mention that we should do the exact same thing to Russia--murder their leaders, destroy their infrastructure, seize their resources and so on--for their actions bombing, raping, and murdering innocent Ukrainians, as well as kidnapping thousands of Ukrainian children and taking them to Russia.

Right?

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

How much should Egypt be involved in this? Are they really not allowing refugees to cross the border? How about giving Gaza back to Egypt?

Egypt believes (and who can blame them for thinking it) that if they open their borders and let the Palestinian refugees in, the land that is evacuated will never be returned. Effectively forcing the Palestinian state out of existence from that perspective is genocidal. It would all but eliminate it from existence, and Egypt does not want that.

[Hards Alumni]

Egypt believes (and who can blame them for thinking it) that if they open their borders and let the Palestinian refugees in, the land that is evacuated will never be returned. Effectively forcing the Palestinian state out of existence from that perspective is genocidal. It would all but eliminate it from existence, and Egypt does not want that.

Yep, this is correct.

[MuggsyB]

I assume that it was just an oversight on your part that you failed to mention that we should do the exact same thing to Russia--murder their leaders, destroy their infrastructure, seize their resources and so on--for their actions bombing, raping, and murdering innocent Ukrainians, as well as kidnapping thousands of Ukrainian children and taking them to Russia.

Right?

I have said that at the beginning of the war.  Go look.  I stated we should take Putin out.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

I have said that at the beginning of the war.  Go look.  I stated we should take Putin out.

Between that and your Middle East hawkishness, are you just craving the apocalypse or something?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I have said that at the beginning of the war.  Go look.  I stated we should take Putin out.

And if we are in the area, might as well sweep up North Korea and China as well, don't you think?

[The Sultan]

I have said that at the beginning of the war.  Go look.  I stated we should take Putin out.

Which is as nonsensical as taking Iran's oil fields.

[4everwarriors]

What do you suggest?

Give Israel everything they ask for, get out of their way, and let Israel bomb the chit out of Gaza, the Hamas, and the rest of the remaining nomad terrorists, hey?

[lawdog77]

And if we are in the area, might as well sweep up North Korea and China as well, don't you think?

That's what I do when I play RISK

[SoCalEagle]

Which is as nonsensical as taking Iran's oil fields.

We're taking Iran's oil fields? 

When did this announcement happen and why wasn't I told about it?