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Jockey


4everwarriors

2 hands raised and stepped forward, hey?

#fromtherivertothesea

#neveragain
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

forgetful

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2023, 02:51:02 PM
2 hands raised and stepped forward, hey?

#fromtherivertothesea

#neveragain

What do you think about snipers murdering an elderly woman and her daughter in a Catholic Church?

Bombing a churches water and power, as they take care of the elderly and disabled?


4everwarriors

Who started the war and all its atrocities?  Here's news, Hamas doesn't give a chit 'bout the Palestinians, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on December 17, 2023, 12:50:30 PM
With Netanyahu in charge, no one should be surprised.

It'll be a great day for the world and Israel when he's finally in jail
Guster is for Lovers

MU82

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2023, 02:51:02 PM
2 hands raised and stepped forward, hey?

#fromtherivertothesea

#neveragain

One small orange hand raised, hey?


#veryfinepeople

#vermin

#mydinnerwithkanye

#jewishspacelasersforveep

#daviddukeluvsme
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Heisenberg

#4107
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 17, 2023, 03:02:53 PM
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/12/14/exp-israel-gaza-dumb-bombs-adam-day-interview-121402aseg2-cnni-world.cnn

Lots of indiscriminate bombing occurring

What do you think is the point of this war? What is Israel trying to do? Why?  Who started it? Why?

Let me help you.

Hamas started the war. They are supported by 70% of Gazans. They slaughtered 1200+ in Israel and promised more of it. They want all of Israel and all the Jews dead.

Isreal rightly said enough and cannot live with this neighbor anymore. So they are in a war for existence, and every Gazan death is the fault of Hamas. They can surrender to end it, but they do not.

So they are dropping "dumb" bombs. Are you a military expert? Tell me what you think Israel's objective is and how they should do it.

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If you need further help, try Bill Maher's take from his show this weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP-CRXROorw

Found Some Quotes from Maher that I Added Later

"Things change. Countries, boundaries, empires," said Maher, citing various historical instances where other groups of people accepted regional defeat and moved on. "In 1950, the little town of Bethlehem was 86 percent Christian, now it's overwhelmingly Muslim."

"After World War II, 12 million ethnic Germans got shoved out of Russia, and Poland, and Czechoslovakia because being German had become kind of unpopular," Maher continued. "People get moved, and yes, colonized. Nobody was a bigger colonizer than the Muslim army that swept out of the Arabian desert and took over much of the world in a single century."

"There were deals on the table to share the land called Palestine... And East Jerusalem could have been the capital of a Palestinian state that today might look more like Dubai than Gaza," Maher pointed out, noting that "Arafat was offered 95 percent of the West Bank, and said no."

That Israel isn't going anywhere, noting that it's "one of the most powerful countries in the world with the 500-billion-dollar economy, the world's second largest tech sector after Silicon Valley, and nuclear weapons. They're here, they like their bagel with a shmear, get used to it."


forgetful

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2023, 03:03:54 PM
Who started the war and all its atrocities?  Here's news, Hamas doesn't give a chit 'bout the Palestinians, hey?

We've all agreed Hamas is horrible. They should be held accountable and dismantled. That has nothing to do with this incident. Hamas isn't inside a Catholic Church, unless you think the Pope is a liar.

Apparently you are ok with murdering elderly women and little girls, sheltering in a Catholic Church. Got it. Can't possibly speak out against other people committing horrible atrocities.

Heisenberg

#4109
Quote from: forgetful on December 17, 2023, 03:44:04 PM
We've all agreed Hamas is horrible. They should be held accountable and dismantled. That has nothing to do with this incident. Hamas isn't inside a Catholic Church, unless you think the Pope is a liar.

Apparently you are ok with murdering elderly women and little girls, sheltering in a Catholic Church. Got it. Can't possibly speak out against other people committing horrible atrocities.

I'll wait until the IDF explains. You should too

Heisenberg

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2023, 03:05:43 PM
It'll be a great day for the world and Israel when he's finally in jail

When Bibi is gone, Benny Gantz takes over. He is more strident about the war than Bibi. He is frustrated that the IDF is not aggressive enough.

More will die faster under Gantz, not less.

Are you okay with this when it happens, as long as Bibi is gone?

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December 16
Gantz vows to remove Hezbollah from border with Israel
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231216-gantz-vows-to-remove-hezbollah-from-border-with-israel/

Israeli Defence Minister Benny Gantz warned on Friday: "If the world doesn't get Hezbollah away from the border, Israel will do it."

The statements by Gantz, the leader of the National Unity party, were made after a meeting with representatives of Israeli towns near the border with Lebanon.

"I told them that we need political action alongside military action, and I say to them and also to our citizens: Israel would push Hezbollah away from Lebanese border if international community could not do so," added Gantz.

Gantz confirmed: "We are ready for political action as well as military action here in the north, and we will fulfil our duty as a state to provide a safe life for the residents of the north and allow them to return to their homes."

MU82

Quote from: forgetful on December 17, 2023, 03:44:04 PM
Hamas isn't inside a Catholic Church, unless you think the Pope is a liar.

Stoopid woke pope.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on December 17, 2023, 03:52:57 PM
When Bibi is gone, Benny Gantz takes over. He is more strident about the war than Bibi. He is frustrated that the IDF is not aggressive enough.

More will die faster under Gantz, not less.

Are you okay with this when it happens, as long as Bibi is gone?

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December 16
Gantz vows to remove Hezbollah from border with Israel
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231216-gantz-vows-to-remove-hezbollah-from-border-with-israel/

Israeli Defence Minister Benny Gantz warned on Friday: "If the world doesn't get Hezbollah away from the border, Israel will do it."

The statements by Gantz, the leader of the National Unity party, were made after a meeting with representatives of Israeli towns near the border with Lebanon.

"I told them that we need political action alongside military action, and I say to them and also to our citizens: Israel would push Hezbollah away from Lebanese border if international community could not do so," added Gantz.

Gantz confirmed: "We are ready for political action as well as military action here in the north, and we will fulfil our duty as a state to provide a safe life for the residents of the north and allow them to return to their homes."

Netanyahu should be in jail for his corruption.  End of story.  Who his replacement is will be up to the Israeli people. 

Netanyahu is as corrupt as they come.  He also failed his people by ignoring the threat of October 7.  What his replacement does will not change the failure of the Netanyahu regime
Guster is for Lovers

Not all scoop users are created equal apparently

Quote from: forgetful on December 17, 2023, 03:44:04 PM
We've all agreed Hamas is horrible. They should be held accountable and dismantled. That has nothing to do with this incident. Hamas isn't inside a Catholic Church, unless you think the Pope is a liar.

Apparently you are ok with murdering elderly women and little girls, sheltering in a Catholic Church. Got it. Can't possibly speak out against other people committing horrible atrocities.

It's been pretty clear since the start it's been ok
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

Re: COVID-19

forgetful

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on December 17, 2023, 03:48:01 PM
I'll wait until the IDF explains. You should too

The IDF has admitted they did attack the church. They claim they were conducting a terror operation.

The Pope, a cardinal who is at the church, the christian parishioners taking refuge there, and a member of the UK parliament, whose family is sheltering there, have clearly indicated that there are no "terrorists" there.

Not to mention, the people who were shot, were shot by snipers within the church grounds. First an elderly woman, then her daughter, and additionally 7 others trying to help the injured. They were targeted by snipers, not caught in random fire.

Just sickening.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/idf-confirm-incident-gaza-church-patriarch-says-2-christian-women-killed-convent-bombed

Heisenberg

Quote from: forgetful on December 17, 2023, 06:08:06 PM
The IDF has admitted they did attack the church. They claim they were conducting a terror operation.

The Pope, a cardinal who is at the church, the christian parishioners taking refuge there, and a member of the UK parliament, whose family is sheltering there, have clearly indicated that there are no "terrorists" there.

Not to mention, the people who were shot, were shot by snipers within the church grounds. First an elderly woman, then her daughter, and additionally 7 others trying to help the injured. They were targeted by snipers, not caught in random fire.

Just sickening.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/idf-confirm-incident-gaza-church-patriarch-says-2-christian-women-killed-convent-bombed

From your link

The statement continued, "An initial review suggests that IDF troops, who were operating against Hamas terrorists in the area, operated against a threat that they identified in the area of the church. The IDF is conducting a thorough review of the incident."

Let me know when that review is public.

Jockey


jesmu84

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/12/17/registered-israeli-foreign-agent-campus-antisemitism/

"Lawsuits accusing top US universities of harboring antisemitism all originate from one source: a corporate law firm that fielded the pro-settler ex-US ambassador to Israel, and which was registered as a foreign agent of an Israeli principal as recently as 2021.

The firm now represents professional Israel lobby activists posing as victimized "Jewish students" and seeking to crush the free speech rights of Palestine solidarity activists."

Uncle Rico

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 18, 2023, 12:40:05 PM
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/12/17/registered-israeli-foreign-agent-campus-antisemitism/

"Lawsuits accusing top US universities of harboring antisemitism all originate from one source: a corporate law firm that fielded the pro-settler ex-US ambassador to Israel, and which was registered as a foreign agent of an Israeli principal as recently as 2021.

The firm now represents professional Israel lobby activists posing as victimized "Jewish students" and seeking to crush the free speech rights of Palestine solidarity activists."

Here's my shocked face.  #culturewars
Guster is for Lovers

Jockey

The NYT and Washington Posts of the world would much rather report on the fight than doing actual investigative reporting as to what is behind it.


The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass


Pakuni

Quote from: NCMUFan on December 18, 2023, 03:48:09 PM
News media reporting is in general a dumpster fire.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/all-agree-media-bias-worst-ever-biden-coverage-condemned/ar-AA1lGLba?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4fd2889776d84b0ba77c2943b84153de&ei=15

The funny thing about these polls is that people generally think their preferred news sources are fair and objective, and it's the other media that is biased.

NCMUFan

We all have our share of bias.
The question before this nation is: If wrongdoing is suspected by the royal family of the USA, should it be investigated and reported to the citizens of the USA or just ignored?  So you can see how important it is for the news media to be objective.  Or is it just a propaganda tool for whatever side your bias happens to be?

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