Italy Trip

[lawdog77]

While we are at it, I DEMAND all practices be livestreamed as well.

[StillAWarrior]

While we are at it, I DEMAND all practices be livestreamed as well.

Come to think of it, I'd like Hard Knocks-like access, nay, I demand Hard Knocks-like access.

[panda]

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1688665810162601984?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A

I heard mu gave Rothstien a secret stream

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Come to think of it, I'd like Hard Knocks-like access, nay, I demand Hard Knocks-like access.

I want more pasta making videos.  I mean fine you made linguine - can you do bucatini? I need to track the skill development.

[21Jumpstreet]

I'm not making excuses for Marquette. Clearly they have the ability to stream them. They even have cameras at the games! For whatever reason, and I think it's a coaches' decision, they don't want to. 

What I am saying is that you are making this out to be a way bigger than it actually is. The fact they aren't streaming these games will have no meaningful impact on fan engagement.

I think this is kind of the point. Not streaming most certainly has no meaningful impact. However, streaming might, likely will, have some impact. It is a good opportunity to engage with the fans, a good way to raise awareness of NIL, it's a good way to keep MU at top or near top of mind mid summer. It's really a no brainer to use this as a fun way to interact with fans and the public, and it's super easy to accomplish. Candidly, as a fan it doesn't bother me in the slightest, however as a supporter of the school and athletics, it's a missed opportunity.

[cheebs09]

Isn't the fact that there were 4K fans showing up to an open practice proof that, oh, I don't know, maybe Marquette knows what they're doing?

Again, what gets fans invested?  What makes non-fans become fans?  Well, it's not streaming basketball games at noon during work days in the summer.  It's winning basketball games from November through early April.  That's all that matters.

I'm sure Southeastern Louisiana is seeing their season ticket sales and NIL funds go through the roof with their mid August content.  Meanwhile, Marquette can't pay people to get into the Fiserv because...marketing.

Doesn't the Al only hold about 4K? I think the Al was only about 1/4 full.

Still a great event but let's not overstate it,

[PointWarrior]

I think this is kind of the point. Not streaming most certainly has no meaningful impact. However, streaming might, likely will, have some impact. It is a good opportunity to engage with the fans, a good way to raise awareness of NIL, it's a good way to keep MU at top or near top of mind mid summer. It's really a no brainer to use this as a fun way to interact with fans and the public, and it's super easy to accomplish. Candidly, as a fan it doesn't bother me in the slightest, however as a supporter of the school and athletics, it's a missed opportunity.

now we have "Fan Engagement Squandered"

[warriorchick]

I think this is kind of the point. Not streaming most certainly has no meaningful impact. However, streaming might, likely will, have some impact. It is a good opportunity to engage with the fans, a good way to raise awareness of NIL, it's a good way to keep MU at top or near top of mind mid summer. It's really a no brainer to use this as a fun way to interact with fans and the public, and it's super easy to accomplish. Candidly, as a fan it doesn't bother me in the slightest, however as a supporter of the school and athletics, it's a missed opportunity.

Did anyone watch the streamed games who wasn't already a hardcore Marquette fan?  In my recollection, it took a bit of effort to even find the games so one could watch.  It's not as if a non-fan, or even a casual fan, is going to randomly come across the game, watch it, and as a result, run out and buy season tickets.

How much additional awareness would be generated by streamed games as opposed to the current highlights and social media posts?

[Dickthedribbler]

Doesn't the Al only hold about 4K? I think the Al was only about 1/4 full.

Still a great event but let's not overstate it,

I would say there were tops 1500 at the open practice, probably less.

[wadesworld]

Doesn't the Al only hold about 4K? I think the Al was only about 1/4 full.

Still a great event but let's not overstate it,

Not sure.  Just going based off of this.

Then they should just state it. 

~4000 MU Mopes showed up to an open gym just before this trip with bold statements about minutes, points, starting line ups, skill and body development, and making freshman assessments...to dismiss fan engagement on this trip by saying it doesn't really matter doesn't seem to jive with reality and doesn't fully support NIL promotion like the other schools have figured out. Shaka apparently dances to a different tune on this issue but that only based on speculation at this point.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Not to go full Brew, but I do think it's weird you're going into the season with a top-10 probably even top-5 team in the country and you don't want to showcase that as much as possible, even against bad competition.

Stretches like this are rare, so I do think it's a bit silly on whoever's decision this was to not stream at least one game.

[Gato78]

Did anyone watch the streamed games who wasn't already a hardcore Marquette fan?  In my recollection, it took a bit of effort to even find the games so one could watch.  It's not as if a non-fan, or even a casual fan, is going to randomly come across the game, watch it, and as a result, run out and buy season tickets.

How much additional awareness would be generated by streamed games as opposed to the current highlights and social media posts?

The dispositive example is Thomas Bilda and The Engine. We would know nothing of this if no streaming or other broadcast and he became a MU legend calling those games. There is value. It costs almost nothing to stream--I followed my niece's volleyball and basketball games this past season due to streaming--sometimes there was a pay wall but vast majority were free. I think almost every high school game is now streamed.

[StillAWarrior]

Did anyone watch the streamed games who wasn't already a hardcore Marquette fan?  In my recollection, it took a bit of effort to even find the games so one could watch.  It's not as if a non-fan, or even a casual fan, is going to randomly come across the game, watch it, and as a result, run out and buy season tickets.

How much additional awareness would be generated by streamed games as opposed to the current highlights and social media posts?

The fact of the matter is that the average or casual MUBB fan has absolutely no idea that the team is in Italy right now. What's more, they don't care. I've said it before, but it bears repeating: those of us on 'Scoop are in no way representative of the average MUBB fan. And no matter how good of a job the marketing people and/or social media people do, the overwhelming majority of MUBB fans will never be interested in following as closely as even the least dedicated 'Scoop fans. We're not well.

[TallTitan34]

The dispositive example is Thomas Bilda and The Engine. We would know nothing of this if no streaming or other broadcast and he became a MU legend calling those games. There is value. It costs almost nothing to stream--I followed my niece's volleyball and basketball games this past season due to streaming--sometimes there was a pay wall but vast majority were free. I think almost every high school game is now streamed.

I think the majority of the MU fan base doesn't even know Traci Carter played for us much less he was given the nickname The Engine.

[shoothoops]

The dispositive example is Thomas Bilda and The Engine. We would know nothing of this if no streaming or other broadcast and he became a MU legend calling those games. There is value. It costs almost nothing to stream--I followed my niece's volleyball and basketball games this past season due to streaming--sometimes there was a pay wall but vast majority were free. I think almost every high school game is now streamed.

I'm beginning to think this entire thread is parody. If this were Summer ball somewhere in the U.S. ir a local high school game, sure. But this is an International, cutural trip. They are there for that. Tons of schools in a wide variety of Men's and Women's sports take these trips. May are even in Italy as we speak. And the videos, photos, and coverage is 90% plus about off court/field cultural experiences, meeting new people, seeing new places, trying new things. If they want to stream these games fine. I'm indifferent to that. As long as the team is getting value away from the court while there, that's all that matters.

As the fellow kids would say, maybe some people need to "Touch grass."

[GoFastAndWin]

No one is saying that we're the only team that's figured it out. Some coaches care, others don't. Shaka seems to be one of the ones who does.

We've streamed international games in the past. I highly doubt that people have forgotten how to get this setup over the past four years. What's changed is our coach. If he says he doesn't want the games streamed, they don't get streamed. If that makes you upset, Shaka is the guy to aim your ire at.

💯

[GoFastAndWin]

My idea of fan engagement is...

...to win basketball games.
...to fill social media with highlights, stories, etc. especially in the off-season
...to give fans an excellent game-day experience.
...to hold events like the open practices from a few days ago.

It doesn't mean they have to do anything and everything that fans want, especially if the (very successful) coach has a preference not to. And it most certainly doesn't mean they have to do something cause "we did it before" or because "other schools are doing it."

And I am debating it because you and brew are being hyperbolic and silly. Apparently not only is not streaming games from Italy in mid-August going to negatively impact fan engagement, it is also going to negatively impact NIL. Sorry, but that is insane.

I don't always agree with the Fluffmeister, but when I do..... this.
This.
This. And...
This.

[panda]

You mean taking a foreign trip isn't about the extra practice time, team bonding and extra scrimmages, but it's actually about a few whiny fans that have nothing better to do during the back half of summer ?

[The Sultan]

I think this is kind of the point. Not streaming most certainly has no meaningful impact. However, streaming might, likely will, have some impact. It is a good opportunity to engage with the fans, a good way to raise awareness of NIL, it's a good way to keep MU at top or near top of mind mid summer. It's really a no brainer to use this as a fun way to interact with fans and the public, and it's super easy to accomplish. Candidly, as a fan it doesn't bother me in the slightest, however as a supporter of the school and athletics, it's a missed opportunity.

Every engagement opportunity needs to have an understanding of the marginal benefit and the marginal costs involved. Going through the effort of streaming these game would cost something. Probably not much, but something.  But to what marginal benefit?  To engage fans who are already highly engaged? That's not really a wise use of resources.

[The Sultan]

The dispositive example is Thomas Bilda and The Engine. We would know nothing of this if no streaming or other broadcast and he became a MU legend calling those games.

MU legend?  You could ask 1,000 random Marquette fans "who is Thomas Bilde?" and I would guess at most a handful would know. 

And that handful was highly engaged and is still highly engaged.

[panda]

Just received an email about the MU athletics block party. Wonder if they'll be streaming that...

[PointWarrior]

Just received an email about the MU athletics block party. Wonder if they'll be streaming that...

Just highlights and stats (no box score unfortunately)

[21Jumpstreet]

Every engagement opportunity needs to have an understanding of the marginal benefit and the marginal costs involved. Going through the effort of streaming these game would cost something. Probably not much, but something.  But to what marginal benefit?  To engage fans who are already highly engaged? That's not really a wise use of resources.

In this instance, we can never know what kind of return we get on a minimal investment if we don't try. It's the whole fish where the fish are biting idea. If there isn't a creative way to use this to generate NIL dollars or noticeable engagement, of course, likely not worth the squeeze. People smarter than me both say we are missing an opportunity and it matters not. I fall into the why not camp. Perhaps it's expense, perhaps it's secrecy, perhaps it's Shaka saying this is for the boys not the fans. Cool, no worries from me.

[21Jumpstreet]

now we have "Fan Engagement Squandered"

I mean, it's obviously this AND it may neither matter nor be worth it. We don't know.

[21Jumpstreet]

Just received an email about the MU athletics block party. Wonder if they'll be streaming that...

Sometimes chefs stream their kitchen, why wouldn't we stream some of the activities or speeches or whatever? I'm sure the MUBB socials will do a good job with photos and videos which I think they do already (no sarcasm).