Open Practice

[avid1010]

Muggsy isn't the only person who thinks Izzo is full of crap and an asshat.  Just sayin'.  And using strong language about someone is not a "vicious attack".  I don't care for the guy.

Shaka has spoken very kindly of him on numerous occasions...

[tower912]

Yes, Shaka views Izzo as a mentor.  And both are trying to win through recruiting, retaining, and developing.    IIRC, they are the two high majors that did not bring in a high level transfer this offseason.   I am sure they will discuss that during their phone calls.

[Lennys Tap]

Shaka has spoken very kindly of him on numerous occasions...

True, but Rico (and others here) think he is scum.

[Uncle Rico]

True, but Rico (and others here) think he is scum.

I stand by that assessment.

There is a cult of the coach when it comes to college coaching.  These guys get put on pedestals by the national media to assure access and inside information.  The program at Michigan State under Izzo has been wildly successful but also a cesspool.  A lot of bad dudes have gone through there and been protected by Izzo and his staff.

Unlike Pitino who has been exposed at a dirtbag, Izzo still gets the saintly treatment.  I won't be surprised if history isn't kind to Tom Izzo and his tenure like many of the other saints of Big Ten Coaching

[The Sultan]

I have no problems with Izzo as a basketball coach. He is clearly a great one and deserves all of the accolades he gets.

But it's when they somehow are treated as more than that - as some sort of expert on "leadership" or a molder of young men. He's just a f*cking basketball coach.

[MuggsyB]

I have no problems with Izzo as a basketball coach. He is clearly a great one and deserves all of the accolades he gets.

But it's when they somehow are treated as more than that - as some sort of expert on "leadership" or a molder of young men. He's just a f*cking basketball coach.

This is fair.

[Viper]

I have no problems with Izzo as a basketball coach. He is clearly a great one and deserves all of the accolades he gets.

But it's when they somehow are treated as more than that - as some sort of expert on "leadership" or a molder of young men. He's just a f*cking basketball coach.

true, I agree...but...Izzo, Self, Calipari etc etc oversee basketball programs that generate huge revenue. More than a coach, imo

[Elonsmusk]

I have no problems with Izzo as a basketball coach. He is clearly a great one and deserves all of the accolades he gets.

But it's when they somehow are treated as more than that - as some sort of expert on "leadership" or a molder of young men. He's just a f*cking basketball coach.

You don't think D-1 basketball coaches are huge influences/molders in the lives of the players?  Weird.  Seems most players cite their basketball coaches as having had the biggest impact on their lives - particularly those who come from single parent households.

[MU82]

You don't think D-1 basketball coaches are huge influences/molders in the lives of the players?  Weird.  Seems most players cite their basketball coaches as having had the biggest impact on their lives - particularly those who come from single parent households.

Sure, but that doesn't mean they are "good guys." (FWIW, I have no knowledge about whether Izzo is that or not. I don't know him, and I don't know anybody who knows him well enough to make that judgment.)

[MuggsyB]

Sure, but that doesn't mean they are "good guys." (FWIW, I have no knowledge about whether Izzo is that or not. I don't know him, and I don't know anybody who knows him well enough to make that judgment.)

There are lot of people we make judgments about that we "don't know well enough"/personally.  Donald Trump and Joe Biden come to mind.  I'm probably on the high end of the spectrum on this count, and can hold grudges, but when it comes to specific traits that I strongly don't care for I don't see a problem in rendering an opinion.   I flew off the handle a bit with Izzo but I'm not accusing him of a crime or anything.  I have a difficult time believing he was completely in the dark...that's essentially what I was trying to convey. 

[The Sultan]

You don't think D-1 basketball coaches are huge influences/molders in the lives of the players?  Weird.  Seems most players cite their basketball coaches as having had the biggest impact on their lives - particularly those who come from single parent households.

And I think a bunch of players don't really care about their coach.

My point is, they are just basketball coaches. Let's not make them more than that.

[wadesworld]

I highly doubt Izzo knew what was happening with Nassar. That's never been his problem.

His problem has been handling sexual assault allegations by his players, keeping guys on staff (as a volunteer assistant, no less...not even an important position) who have punched females in a bar, etc. And part of that falls on MSU as a whole, as victims were encouraged not to report these crimes to save the big money basketball program/players.

[Hards Alumni]

I stand by that assessment.

There is a cult of the coach when it comes to college coaching.  These guys get put on pedestals by the national media to assure access and inside information.  The program at Michigan State under Izzo has been wildly successful but also a cesspool.  A lot of bad dudes have gone through there and been protected by Izzo and his staff.

Unlike Pitino who has been exposed at a dirtbag, Izzo still gets the saintly treatment.  I won't be surprised if history isn't kind to Tom Izzo and his tenure like many of the other saints of Big Ten Coaching

+1

[Hards Alumni]

I highly doubt Izzo knew what was happening with Nassar. That's never been his problem.

His problem has been handling sexual assault allegations by his players, keeping guys on staff (as a volunteer assistant, no less...not even an important position) who have punched females in a bar, etc. And part of that falls on MSU as a whole, as victims were encouraged not to report these crimes to save the big money basketball program/players.

Could be both, we will never know.  Not sure I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

[tower912]

Payne, Appling, Walton?  I have no problem applying them to Izzo's record.   Nassar?  Not a shred of evidence.  Applying Muggsy's logic, anyone at MU 87-90 was responsible for Dahmer.  There is no way all those murders could have happened that close to campus without the students knowing.


Finally, for fun, which Big 10 coaching legends have had their legacies improved by history?    Bo?  The other Bo?  JoPa?  Woody?  Knight?

[MuggsyB]

Payne, Appling, Walton?  I have no problem applying them to Izzo's record.   Nassar?  Not a shred of evidence.  Applying Muggsy's logic, anyone at MU 87-90 was responsible for Dahmer.  There is no way all those murders could have happened that close to campus without the students knowing.




Finally, for fun, which Big 10 coaching legends have had their legacies improved by history?    Bo?  The other Bo?  JoPa?  Woody?  Knight?

Tower,

If I intimated that Izzo was "responsible" for Nassar I apologize.  I don't think I did.  What I have stated is that it's not conceivable to me that in 20 years he never heard a single word about Nassar's predatory and criminal behavior.  And yes, you can also add he did nothing about the players you mentioned. 

[tower912]

And I am saying that there is no evidence anyone ever mentioned Nassar's crimes to him before they were made public.

[mileskishnish72]

Breeding would have ejected the baby.

Ha! Missed that one until tonight.
Spot on, TT.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Ha! Missed that one until tonight.
Spot on, TT.

Hat tip comment for sure.

Breeding hates MU!