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2024-25 NFL Thread

Started by Herman Cain, July 08, 2023, 07:41:44 AM

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Pakuni

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 15, 2024, 02:29:09 PM
But it opens up another.

Could be. Would be weird for the Steelers to give up an asset for him to serve as a backup and then need to decide on an option/extension under those circumstances.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 15, 2024, 02:32:26 PM
As Russel Wilson's backup?

Yes. Mason Rudolph is a free agent, and who knows how long Russ will be there.


Quote from: Pakuni on March 15, 2024, 03:02:44 PM
Could be. Would be weird for the Steelers to give up an asset for him to serve as a backup and then need to decide on an option/extension under those circumstances.

True. But Pickett apparently wanted to move on.

And this point Fields can really only be looking at back up options right?
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 15, 2024, 03:03:00 PM
And this point Fields can really only be looking at back up options right?
Best case is he is given a chance to compete for the starting job.

Stunning to think how media and most fans (including non Justin fans) were so far off on Fields' value.

GB Warrior

Jokes aside, I'd be cool with the Packers unloading a 4th or 5th for him.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: GB Warrior on March 15, 2024, 04:23:14 PM
Jokes aside, I'd be cool with the Packers unloading a 4th or 5th for him.

Yeah, god help the packers if they have to play Sean Clifford
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

wadesworld

Quote from: GB Warrior on March 15, 2024, 04:23:14 PM
Jokes aside, I'd be cool with the Packers unloading a 4th or 5th for him.

Agreed. Have 2 power backs. Need a dynamic back.

jesmu84


wadesworld

But Scoop told me he'd get minimum 2 seconds, if not a first and second.

Lol.

Uncle Rico

Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

I must admit that I thought the Bears would do better than that though.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

JWags85

At the very least, it's worth remembering that Fields was a Pace move/pick, and not Poles.  So I can appreciate Poles realizing a sunk cost and working to assemble more talent around a rookie this time around.

The next time the Bears don't ruin a highly drafted QB will be the first, but people acting like this is Groundhog Day from Fields' start aren't being honest.  Allen, Moore, Everett, a much improved Kmet, and 2 good RBs is a far better landing spot for a green QB than Byron Pringle, Chase Claypool, and a between the tackles RB.

I'm not sold on or a fan of Williams, but I was excited about Fields so at least I can temper expectations comfortably

DegenerateDish

Schefter, Kiper, Rapoport peddling the market for Fields was certainly something.

Jockey

Tyrod Taylor!

Transitioning to his real path. Career backup.

I thought he would bring more - until nothing happened at the Combine. That pretty much let us know what the market was.

And what coach or GM wants to put his NFL career in Field's hands?

wadesworld

Williams has been a better QB than Fields for years already. It's a laughable return given a former top draft pick at QB, but the biggest thing is you're getting a huge upgrade at the most important position in the game.

Now, whether Williams is good or not is the debate.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: wadesworld on March 16, 2024, 05:47:42 PM
But Scoop told me he'd get minimum 2 seconds, if not a first and second.

Lol.
Scoop and pretty much everyone else was wrong about Fields' value.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

So I guess it can turn into a 4th round pick if Fields plays 51% of the Steeler's snaps this year.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

WhiteTrash

Did the Steelers give up a 6th round pick for a QB that might have been released?

MU82

I haven't really followed the Bears closely for years. Did they hang onto Fields for too long, figuring offers would improve over time instead of get worse over time?

I agree with Wags that Williams will have some talent round him. If the coaches don't ruin him and if the line's any good (is it?), he might have a legit chance to succeed, even as a rookie.

It will be interesting to hear what Fields has to say after going from starter with a big payday coming up to backing up an old (washed up?) QB.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 16, 2024, 08:14:30 PM
Did the Steelers give up a 6th round pick for a QB that might have been released?

A sixth round pick isn't that big of a deal really.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 16, 2024, 08:49:24 PM
A sixth round pick isn't that big of a deal really.

What did they get for Pickett?
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

WhiteTrash

Fields had a very classy goodby message to Chicago. Always a class act and hard worker. I wish him well.

JWags85

Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2024, 08:28:43 PM
It will be interesting to hear what Fields has to say after going from starter with a big payday coming up to backing up an old (washed up?) QB.

For the many (often justified) criticisms of Fields on field performance, I've always been fairly impressed and pleased with how he's handled the media and off the field aspect of being and NFL starter. 

Which leads to my next point.  I think he was very lacking in a lot of ways as a starter, but I also think the Bears let him down in a variety of ways.  Both can be true. 

And one only needs to look to Baker Mayfield for motivation/inspiration.  Highly drafted and regarded QB.  Showed a lot of spark in Cleveland, but got ousted for a variety of fit reasons, got cut from a disaster of an organization in Carolina (no offense Mike  ;D), was a serviceable backup in LA for a minute, then got another chance in Tampa after taking some licks, and performed and got himself a fat contract.

He's headed to the Steelers as a "backup" but it is very much in the realm of possibility for him to get starter reps for a good chunk of the year given how Wilson has been.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Oh I absolutely agree that the Bears let him down. Personnel and coaching staff wise.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

MU82

Quote from: JWags85 on March 17, 2024, 12:06:41 AM
For the many (often justified) criticisms of Fields on field performance, I've always been fairly impressed and pleased with how he's handled the media and off the field aspect of being and NFL starter. 

Which leads to my next point.  I think he was very lacking in a lot of ways as a starter, but I also think the Bears let him down in a variety of ways.  Both can be true. 

And one only needs to look to Baker Mayfield for motivation/inspiration.  Highly drafted and regarded QB.  Showed a lot of spark in Cleveland, but got ousted for a variety of fit reasons, got cut from a disaster of an organization in Carolina (no offense Mike  ;D), was a serviceable backup in LA for a minute, then got another chance in Tampa after taking some licks, and performed and got himself a fat contract.

He's headed to the Steelers as a "backup" but it is very much in the realm of possibility for him to get starter reps for a good chunk of the year given how Wilson has been.

Lots of good points in there, Wags, especially about how Fields could end up starting a good chunk of the season for Pittsburgh. Not only given how Wilson has been, but because very few QBs stay healthy an entire season.

Fields' goodbye-to-Chicago note was, as WT pointed out, quite classy.

And no offense taken on your fact about the disaster that is the Carolina organization. Now that you mention it, "No Offense" would be a good working title for the official NFL films production about the 2023 Carolina Panthers.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington