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MuggsyB

The entire set of coaches (I think there are 25) and Poles should be shown the door for the Bears.  They need to completely start over.  It's absolutely pathetic. 

JWags85

Quote from: Jockey on December 26, 2024, 08:30:06 PMBrutal QBs + Brutal coaching = Brutal game.

Give me Malik Willis over these 2 bums.

The same Malik Willis who started 3-4 games as a rookie on a better team with a better coach than the Bears and was absolutely DREADFUL?  Like making Williams look like Drew Brees levels of mediocre.

This is a particularly horrid and embarrassing Bears team, in a recent history littered with them.  And I don't feel the need for people to adulate the good or reasonable successes than Williams has had.  But people eager to deem him "terrible" or a bust or the like at this point in his career are being purposefully obtuse or cherrypicking their evidence for it.  Its organizational malpractice to do whats been done to a rookie QB like him.  And still he's shown various stretches of being special.

If you want to deem him hopeless cause its the Bears and their track record, thats fine.  As long as its acknowledged that's more speculative than actual 2024 performance based.  Funny enough, of the top 5 QBs in lowest INT ratio, 2 are MVP front runners, 1 is Justin Herbert, and another is Caleb Williams.

WhiteTrash

I think we'll see the entire Bears' O-line in Canton. ::)

MuggsyB

Superb clock management for the Bears.  Lol. 

cheebs09

This is might be Goodell's Mona Lisa. Terrible game on a Thursday night, but probably great ratings and people watching to the end.

MuggsyB

I take back what I said.  The entire coaching staff for the Bears should he canned within 20 mins after this game is over.  Even if they miraculously win. 

MUBurrow

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 26, 2024, 09:54:47 PMI take back what I said.  The entire coaching staff for the Bears should he canned within 20 mins after this game is over.  Even if they miraculously win. 

This is not even an exaggeration. I understand that there is a lot of inexperience leading this staff, but mere professional pride requires more than that.

Dish

At least the last 2:30 of the game was humorous.

MuggsyB

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 26, 2024, 09:59:20 PMThis is not even an exaggeration. I understand that there is a lot of inexperience leading this staff, but mere professional pride requires more than that.

Can you imagine paying good money to go to this game
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 26, 2024, 09:59:20 PMThis is not even an exaggeration. I understand that there is a lot of inexperience leading this staff, but mere professional pride requires more than that.

This is total incompetence at a level that I would not expect to see at pop Warner let alone in the NFL. They've got as much business coaching in the pros as I do challenging "The Mountain" (from GOT) to a fight and weightlifting contest. 

BM1090

Quote from: Jockey on December 26, 2024, 08:30:06 PMBrutal QBs + Brutal coaching = Brutal game.

Give me Malik Willis over these 2 bums.

If you're saying you'd take Malik Willis over Geno Smith right now, you're crazy.

If feels crazy to take him over Caleb too, but I understand your perspective.

Fully agree on the coaching, though.

Jockey

Quote from: BM1090 on December 26, 2024, 11:41:33 PMIf you're saying you'd take Malik Willis over Geno Smith right now, you're crazy.

If feels crazy to take him over Caleb too, but I understand your perspective.

Fully agree on the coaching, though.

Geno is empty calories.

BM1090

Quote from: Jockey on December 26, 2024, 11:55:38 PMGeno is empty calories.

He's not great, but he does some really good things. He's a top 20-25 NFL QB. If you think Malik is that level then that's great, but I'm not quite there yet.

Jockey

There are less than 10 guys on the Bears who should be part of the rebuild.

Jockey

Quote from: BM1090 on December 26, 2024, 11:57:46 PMHe's not great, but he does some really good things. He's a top 20-25 NFL QB. If you think Malik is that level then that's great, but I'm not quite there yet.

My Malik comment was hyperbole. Just an exaggeration to show my feelings on Caleb and Geno.

Geno may be a top 20-25 QB, but that is not a good thing when there are only 32.

BM1090

Quote from: Jockey on December 27, 2024, 12:00:57 AMMy Malik comment was hyperbole. Just an exaggeration to show my feelings on Caleb and Geno.

Geno may be a top 20-25 QB, but that is not a good thing when there are only 32.

Got it. Took it literally.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on December 27, 2024, 12:00:57 AMMy Malik comment was hyperbole. Just an exaggeration to show my feelings on Caleb and Geno.

Geno may be a top 20-25 QB, but that is not a good thing when there are only 32.

A chunk of the sacks Caleb Williams takes are directly on him and not the o-line.  The line isn't good but he holds the ball way too long. 
"In you they have treated father and mother with contempt; in you they have oppressed the foreigner and mistreated the fatherless and the widow."

WhiteTrash

I'm not saying we should totally dismiss the Bears' performance last night, but just remember they are playing for nothing with a passing game coordinator as the HC. I saw plenty of plays on both offense and defense that Bears' players were clearly just going through the motions.

The best thing for the Bears is to keep Caleb healthy so he can continue to get reps and exposure to NFL defenses. The score is meaningless. Actually, Ls are best for the franchise now.

Also, I agree with previous observations and predictions that Poles is gone.

Jockey

If the Bears lose to GB,they will have a worse winning percentage than the White Sox.

The Sultan

I thought that game said more about the Seahawks' issues than the Bear's
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Jockey on December 27, 2024, 10:04:10 AMIf the Bears lose to GB,they will have a worse winning percentage than the White Sox.
Yeah, but that will only stand until the end of next baseball season.  (I believe the WS have the lowest win O/U ever at 49  :o )

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on December 27, 2024, 10:04:10 AMIf the Bears lose to GB,they will have a worse winning percentage than the White Sox.

He'll never do it, but Caleb Williams should demand a trade regardless of who they hire for any position.  He should have demanded a trade after being drafted
"In you they have treated father and mother with contempt; in you they have oppressed the foreigner and mistreated the fatherless and the widow."

jesmu84

Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 27, 2024, 10:01:49 AMI'm not saying we should totally dismiss the Bears' performance last night, but just remember they are playing for nothing with a passing game coordinator as the HC. I saw plenty of plays on both offense and defense that Bears' players were clearly just going through the motions.

The best thing for the Bears is to keep Caleb healthy so he can continue to get reps and exposure to NFL defenses. The score is meaningless. Actually, Ls are best for the franchise now.

Also, I agree with previous observations and predictions that Poles is gone.

I can't say I believe Poles knows how to build a football team.

But I can say the McCaskey family and Kevin Warren don't know how to build a football team.

Org is f'ed either way

Jockey

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 27, 2024, 11:25:42 AMI can't say I believe Poles knows how to build a football team.

But I can say the McCaskey family and Kevin Warren don't know how to build a football team.

Org is f'ed either way

Yet, they are only one move away from respectability.

Hire a football guy to run all football operations. Think Ron Wolfe.

Having a lawyer in charge is a losing proposition.

jesmu84

Quote from: Jockey on December 27, 2024, 11:43:29 AMYet, they are only one move away from respectability.

Hire a football guy to run all football operations. Think Ron Wolfe.

Having a lawyer in charge is a losing proposition.

That will never happen with this org though.

The family will never hire someone who would overshadow them.

After ditka - who wasn't hired by the current family members - they essentially vowed to never hire another person who would potentially speak out against the family.

The Sultan

Quote from: Jockey on December 27, 2024, 11:43:29 AMYet, they are only one move away from respectability.

Hire a football guy to run all football operations. Think Ron Wolfe.

Having a lawyer in charge is a losing proposition.

*Wolf

And you know that Mark Murphy is an attorney right? As is Ed Policy.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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