2024-25 NFL Thread

[Jockey]

From a Bears' board:(nobody was arguing for Caleb as ROY, just interesting stats)
Caleb Williams, who we've acknowledged is having an underwhelming, extremely disappointing rookie campaign:

3,271 yards
19 TDs
5 INTs
4 300 yard games

Jayden Daniels, who we've established has without-a-doubt cemented himself as the future of the NFL and easy Rookie of the Year:

3,303 yards
22 TDs
8 INTs
1 300 yard game

Pretty meaningless, really.


Bears are behind early in every game so he has to throw a lot more.

May be more on the coaches than Caleb - we'll know in a couple years.

[WhiteTrash]

Pretty meaningless, really.


Bears are behind early in every game so he has to throw a lot more.

May be more on the coaches than Caleb - we'll know in a couple years.

Well that's not honest. He has put up reasonably decent numbers when the defense knows he has to throw and he is playing behind the worst O-line in the NFL. Also, the coaches have been sub-par as you point out.

As previously mentioned, nobody is making the case that Williams is a ROY candidate and actually to the contrary, acknowledge his season is a disappointment. I think the takeaway from the stats comparison is to place his performance in proper context, that it is not as awful as some would like to believe. 

[tower912]

Now do it with Darnold vs. Goff.  Vikings are legit.

[The Sultan]

Well that's not honest.

What's not honest?

Daniels has 432 attempts v. 505 for Williams so yeah Williams will have better accumulation stats.

Daniels has a higher completion percentage, higher yards per attempt, higher yards per catch, and higher passing rating and QBR.

It's not close that Daniels has been better.

[WhiteTrash]

What's not honest?

Daniels has 432 attempts v. 505 for Williams so yeah Williams will have better accumulation stats.

Daniels has a higher completion percentage, higher yards per attempt, higher yards per catch, and higher passing rating and QBR.

It's not close that Daniels has been better.

Once again, not honest.

It has been pointed out multiple times, for those who read, that there is no case for Williams to be even considered for the ROY that Daniels will win.

You're post doesn't even rise to the level of a strawman argument, just simple and obvious intellectual dishonesty.

[The Sultan]

LOL, you introduced the comparison, now are saying it's "intellectually dishonest" to pick it apart?

GTFO with that nonsense.

[WhiteTrash]

LOL, you introduced the comparison, now are saying it's "intellectually dishonest" to pick it apart?

GTFO with that nonsense.

As has been said many times before: reading is a skill.

I'd summarize the point being made, but my posts were in plain English that anyone can understand. I can't help you.

[The Sultan]

As has been said many times before: reading is a skill.

I'd summarize the point being made, but my posts were in plain English that anyone can understand. I can't help you.

You said Jockey's very accurate observation of his accumulation stats was dishonest. It certainly was not.

Claiming others can't read is hilarious since its clear you are the illiterate one right now.

[WhiteTrash]

You said Jockey's very accurate observation of his accumulation stats was dishonest. It certainly was not.

Claiming others can't read is hilarious since its clear you are the illiterate one right now.

The entire point being made has flown over your head. I just can't help you.

Next topic.

[The Sultan]

The entire point being made has flow over your head. I just can't help you.

Next topic.

Your white flag is noted.

[Uncle Rico]

Your white flag is noted.

I'm not sure what the original point is anymore other than to prove how much better Daniels has been than Williams.

[WhiteTrash]

I'm not sure what the original point is anymore other than to prove how much better Daniels has been than Williams.

"As previously mentioned, nobody is making the case that Williams is a ROY candidate and actually to the contrary, acknowledge his season is a disappointment. I think the takeaway from the stats comparison is to place his performance in proper context, that it is not as awful as some would like to believe. "

[The Sultan]

"As previously mentioned, nobody is making the case that Williams is a ROY candidate and actually to the contrary, acknowledge his season is a disappointment. I think the takeaway from the stats comparison is to place his performance in proper context, that it is not as awful as some would like to believe. "

Which Jockey never disputed. He was adding context to the stats that were posted.

(And you incorrectly called "dishonest.")

[WhiteTrash]

Which Jockey never disputed. He was adding context to the stats that were posted.

(And you incorrectly called "dishonest.")

I referred to it as dishonest due to the omission of the context that Williams, while passing more due to the score of games, was also going against defenses set up to defend the pass and that he is working behind the worst O-line in the NFL.

It would be dishonest to suggest that Williams is on par with Daniels by cherry picking stats that only show Williams and at the same level or better than Daniels. The whole story should be told to be honest.

[jesmu84]

Which Jockey never disputed. He was adding context to the stats that were posted.

(And you incorrectly called "dishonest.")

Jockey has regularly posted that Williams is awful

[Uncle Rico]

Jockey has regularly posted that Williams is awful

He is

[Jockey]

Jockey has regularly posted that Williams is awful

With good reason.

I also said that if he gets proper coaching, he would be the best of the 6 rookies drafted in the 1st round.

Right now he is 5th only because the 6th guy got hurt. Pennix looked like he had a better feel for the game in his 1st startthan I have seen from Williams all year. Caleb has a long way to go. If he doesn't get a Kevin O'Connell type coach, he may be in trouble.

[Uncle Rico]

https://bsky.app/profile/artbutmakeitsports.bsky.social/post/3ldymnb226c2q

[Lennys Tap]

The entire point being made has flown over your head. I just can't help you.

Next topic.

Butting in, making differences of opinions personal, ruining threads. Business as usual for Fluffy.

[The Sultan]

Butting in, making differences of opinions personal, ruining threads. Business as usual for Fluffy.

<skypoint>

T-minus eight days until your cries and your fears come to an end.

[WhiteTrash]

With good reason.

I also said that if he gets proper coaching, he would be the best of the 6 rookies drafted in the 1st round.

Right now he is 5th only because the 6th guy got hurt. Pennix looked like he had a better feel for the game in his 1st startthan I have seen from Williams all year. Caleb has a long way to go. If he doesn't get a Kevin O'Connell type coach, he may be in trouble.

Obviously you are well within your right to think he is awful. But, objectively, he has a higher passer rating than Maye and Nix, also higher than Stroud and Prescott.

-for those who haven't read the thread, IMO Williams has been a disappointment and needs a lot of work and a pedestrian O-line to improve.-

[Lennys Tap]

<skypoint>

T-minus eight days until your cries and your fears come to an end.

You missed the message. Launch was a joke. So are you. T-minus nothing. Still a dummy.

[The Sultan]

You missed the message. Launch was a joke. So are you. T-minus nothing. Still a dummy.

Oooohhhh...  So once you realized that actually stating that you were putting me on ignore made you sound lily-livered, it all of the sudden became a "joke."

Man, not a good 24 hours for you.

[Lennys Tap]

Oooohhhh...  So once you realized that actually stating that you were putting me on ignore made you sound lily-livered, it all of the sudden became a "joke."

Man, not a good 24 hours for you.

Trolling you to get you to pause your interruptions and destructions of threads. You're easy to distract!

[The Sultan]

Trolling you to get you to pause your interruptions and destructions of threads. You're easy to distract!

When I read this, the only thing I heard was whimpering.