2024-25 NFL Thread

[Jockey]

*Wolf

And you know that Mark Murphy is an attorney right? As is Ed Policy.

They are 'financial' guys. Gutey makes football decisions.

[The Sultan]

They are 'financial' guys. Gutey makes football decisions.

Poles isn't an attorney.

[MuggsyB]

A chunk of the sacks Caleb Williams takes are directly on him and not the o-line.  The line isn't good but he holds the ball way too long. 

Absolutely.  And yet they were touting his zero interceptions the past so and so games.  On pace for 70 sacks, he holds the ball for an eternity.  He's obviously talented and should be a good starting QB, but he's had a bunch of rough games.

[jesmu84]

A chunk of the sacks Caleb Williams takes are directly on him and not the o-line.  The line isn't good but he holds the ball way too long. 

What do the analytics say about his receivers being open?

What about the playcalling to scheme the WR open?

Nothing happens in a vacuum.

[tower912]

What do the analytics say about his receivers being open?

What about the playcalling to scheme the WR open?

Nothing happens in a vacuum.

On the other end of the spectrum, Detroit's opponents have been called for pass interference once all season.  Goff gets the ball out early, his receivers are good at getting separation, he has a good O-line and is in sync with his OC.

Caleb has all the physical tools he needs.  He needs protection and an OC.

[WhiteTrash]

Poles isn't an attorney.

But is he a GM?

[Uncle Rico]

What do the analytics say about his receivers being open?

What about the playcalling to scheme the WR open?

Nothing happens in a vacuum.

If Allen, Moore, KMet and Odunze aren't getting open, then they suck, quite frankly and should be traded and/or cut.

Listen, I've been down this road before where excuses pile up for QBs about why this or that.  The final 7-8 years of 4 in GB was littered with the excuses of his wideouts suck, they can't get open, they ran the wrong route and so on and so on.  Sometimes, it's the QB.  It's an easy trap for fans to get caught in.

Sacks are avoidable for QBs.  Throw the ball away.  And sometimes, let your wideouts go and make a play.  There's a difference between being loose with the ball like a Jameis Winston or trying to make a play like Patrick Mahomes.

[The Sultan]

The issue with Caleb is that the OL sucks and they didn't simplify the game enough for him. Again, compare and contrast to how the Commanders developed Daniels. Say what you want about Kingsbury, but the guy seems to understand how you can break down a game for a rookie quarterback. He did it with Murray like he has done it with Daniels. Is he going to be the OC if Washington gets back to the Super Bowl? Probably not but Daniels will be a better quarterback and can hopefully adapt to a more complex game down the line.

[tower912]

Not all sacks are avoidable.  See: Stafford with Detroit.  Yes, good QBs have an internal stopwatch.  Yes, the good ones throw the ball away and live to play another down.  But even the greats can look like crap when they are running for their life.  Even Brady and Manning were less effective when the opponent was getting home with 4 or disguising their blitzes effectively. Finally, most QBs stink their first year.  Daniels is an exception.

Get Williams experience, an O-line,  and an OC on the same page.  Then complain.

[jesmu84]

If Allen, Moore, KMet and Odunze aren't getting open, then they suck, quite frankly and should be traded and/or cut.

Listen, I've been down this road before where excuses pile up for QBs about why this or that.  The final 7-8 years of 4 in GB was littered with the excuses of his wideouts suck, they can't get open, they ran the wrong route and so on and so on.  Sometimes, it's the QB.  It's an easy trap for fans to get caught in.

Sacks are avoidable for QBs.  Throw the ball away.  And sometimes, let your wideouts go and make a play.  There's a difference between being loose with the ball like a Jameis Winston or trying to make a play like Patrick Mahomes.

Agreed: sometimes it is the QB and sometimes it isn't.

That's all I was trying to get to

[jesmu84]

Not all sacks are avoidable.  See: Stafford with Detroit.  Yes, good QBs have an internal stopwatch.  Yes, the good ones throw the ball away and live to play another down.  But even the greats can look like crap when they are running for their life.  Even Brady and Manning were less effective when the opponent was getting home with 4 or disguising their blitzed effectively. Finally, most QBs stink their first year.  Daniels is an exception.

Get Williams experience, an O-line,  and an OC on the same page.  Then complain.

Too rational

[tower912]

Sorry.  I will try harder.

[jesmu84]

If Allen, Moore, KMet and Odunze aren't getting open, then they suck, quite frankly and should be traded and/or cut.

Listen, I've been down this road before where excuses pile up for QBs about why this or that.  The final 7-8 years of 4 in GB was littered with the excuses of his wideouts suck, they can't get open, they ran the wrong route and so on and so on.  Sometimes, it's the QB.  It's an easy trap for fans to get caught in.

Sacks are avoidable for QBs.  Throw the ball away.  And sometimes, let your wideouts go and make a play.  There's a difference between being loose with the ball like a Jameis Winston or trying to make a play like Patrick Mahomes.

Caleb leads the NFL in throw aways

[Uncle Rico]

Caleb leads the NFL in throw aways

Yeah, he's pretty bad

[jesmu84]

https://x.com/SearTower/status/1873055630250201532?t=4gYHYSNJWa00GMFXNw4WRQ&s=19

[JWags85]

Who do you feel better about in a hypothetical situation going into Year 3...

Caleb Williams who is pretty damn bad his rookie year and then improves to a good/serviceable QB in Year 2 with flashes but still some inconsistency.

or

CJ Stroud who had a fantastic rookie year and then regressed hard and looks bad and lost in Year 2.

[jesmu84]

Who do you feel better about in a hypothetical situation going into Year 3...

Caleb Williams who is pretty damn bad his rookie year and then improves to a good/serviceable QB in Year 2 with flashes but still some inconsistency.

or

CJ Stroud who had a fantastic rookie year and then regressed hard and looks bad and lost in Year 2.

I guess I would ask what was worse (consider coaching and team talent as well): Caleb's first year or CJs 2nd year?

[PGsHeroes32]

Bengals are a hilarious team to watch. You spend time wondering how they lose any games as they march down the field. Then theres always a set of downs that make you go "oh thats why". 10 times a game.

90% sure Zac Taylor just spins a wheel for his play calls.

[Uncle Rico]

Bengals are a hilarious team to watch. You spend time wondering how they lose any games as they march down the field. Then theres always a set of downs that make you go "oh thats why". 10 times a game.

90% sure Zac Taylor just spins a wheel for his play calls.

To be fair, he needs to quit calling the dropped passes plays

[PGsHeroes32]

To be fair, he needs to quit calling the dropped passes plays

I think Chase gets 1 drop

DOnt call a scripted shot gun pass on from the 1 where the ball doesn't even make to the goal line. And then follow it up with a designed run that gets blown up. And wouldn't be an issue.

Possession before that they were dicing the broncos then ran it on 3rd and 3 and 4th and 2. Didn't try to use any of their 100 play makers in space

[Dish]

The Bengals have fired Zac Taylor.

[Uncle Rico]

The Bengals have fired Zac Taylor.

Just wow

[Dish]

Sean Payton had the entire TD review time to get a two point play called.

The end of this game has left a lot to be desired.

[Uncle Rico]

Sean Payton had the entire TD review time to get a two point play called.

The end of this game has left a lot to be desired.

I'd have gone for it.  Though, it is the Bengals and they tend to Bengal things up

[Uncle Rico]

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