2024-25 NFL Thread

[WhiteTrash]

It was a completely different game in 1998 than it is today.  Played, coached and officiated at completely different levels.  Manning changed the level of play.  There is no indication Caleb Williams will change how we judge QBs.

Williams being a generational talent? I don't see it. Agreed.

[Jockey]

Allen was seen as a project, but from ESPN in 2018:

Whatever Josh Allen is going to be, he isn't that yet.

This is true of almost everyone in the NFL draft, but it seems especially pertinent to Allen, the 6-foot-5 Wyoming quarterback whose raw talent screams "No. 1 overall pick" even as his résumé gives pause.

Consensus is elusive when it comes to the top quarterbacks in the 2018 class. Some teams like the SoCal kids, Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold from UCLA and Southern California, respectively. Some prefer Heisman-winning Fortnite avatar Baker Mayfield of Oklahoma, with his pinpoint accuracy and in-your-face confidence. And Louisville's electrifying Lamar Jackson, who won the Heisman before Mayfield, is drawing all the good kinds of Michael Vick comparisons.

But in an informal poll of NFL decision-makers, a surprising number of answers came back like this one:

"I'd take Josh Allen," an NFC general manager said. "You just don't see that kind of talent come along very often."

[jesmu84]

Allen was seen as a project, but from ESPN in 2018:

Whatever Josh Allen is going to be, he isn't that yet.

This is true of almost everyone in the NFL draft, but it seems especially pertinent to Allen, the 6-foot-5 Wyoming quarterback whose raw talent screams "No. 1 overall pick" even as his résumé gives pause.

Consensus is elusive when it comes to the top quarterbacks in the 2018 class. Some teams like the SoCal kids, Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold from UCLA and Southern California, respectively. Some prefer Heisman-winning Fortnite avatar Baker Mayfield of Oklahoma, with his pinpoint accuracy and in-your-face confidence. And Louisville's electrifying Lamar Jackson, who won the Heisman before Mayfield, is drawing all the good kinds of Michael Vick comparisons.

But in an informal poll of NFL decision-makers, a surprising number of answers came back like this one:

"I'd take Josh Allen," an NFC general manager said. "You just don't see that kind of talent come along very often."

I'm 100% positive ESPN/GMs/analysts have never been wrong when evaluating/projecting college QBs

[Jockey]

I'm 100% positive ESPN/GMs/analysts have never been wrong when evaluating/projecting college QBs

I never said otherwise. I was simply showing what GMs thought of Allen coming out of college.

[jesmu84]

I never said otherwise. I was simply showing what GMs thought of Allen coming out of college.

What did GMs think of Caleb coming out of college?

[Dish]

Total apathy.

I wish there was an AFC team in Chicago. I know that's probably a meatball take, and I could just find a new team to root for. This is (and let's be honest, has been for a long time) fan purgatory hell. I can't consume any energy or fandom to invest in this organization at this time.

I'm happy for you guys that are fans of other teams in the division. Packers have been dominant for like 30 years now, and most of my best friends are Packer fans. That's amazing to have (and continue to have) that kind of run. Vikings have been fun to watch most of my adult life, usually with innovative offenses. And Detroit has figured it out, and will be a contender for the foreseeable future.

Just a miserable experience being a Bears fan.

[Uncle Rico]

Total apathy.

I wish there was an AFC team in Chicago. I know that's probably a meatball take, and I could just find a new team to root for. This is (and let's be honest, has been for a long time) fan purgatory hell. I can't consume any energy or fandom to invest in this organization at this time.

I'm happy for you guys that are fans of other teams in the division. Packers have been dominant for like 30 years now, and most of my best friends are Packer fans. That's amazing to have (and continue to have) that kind of run. Vikings have been fun to watch most of my adult life, usually with innovative offenses. And Detroit has figured it out, and will be a contender for the foreseeable future.

Just a miserable experience being a Bears fan.

I dunno, the Packers simply cut their best player at the end of camp

[WhiteTrash]

Total apathy.

I wish there was an AFC team in Chicago. I know that's probably a meatball take, and I could just find a new team to root for. This is (and let's be honest, has been for a long time) fan purgatory hell. I can't consume any energy or fandom to invest in this organization at this time.

I'm happy for you guys that are fans of other teams in the division. Packers have been dominant for like 30 years now, and most of my best friends are Packer fans. That's amazing to have (and continue to have) that kind of run. Vikings have been fun to watch most of my adult life, usually with innovative offenses. And Detroit has figured it out, and will be a contender for the foreseeable future.

Just a miserable experience being a Bears fan.

The population would justify a second team in Chicago, so how does the Chicago Jaguars sound to you? 

"Out of the pot and into the fire" comes to mind.

[jesmu84]

Total apathy.

I wish there was an AFC team in Chicago. I know that's probably a meatball take, and I could just find a new team to root for. This is (and let's be honest, has been for a long time) fan purgatory hell. I can't consume any energy or fandom to invest in this organization at this time.

I'm happy for you guys that are fans of other teams in the division. Packers have been dominant for like 30 years now, and most of my best friends are Packer fans. That's amazing to have (and continue to have) that kind of run. Vikings have been fun to watch most of my adult life, usually with innovative offenses. And Detroit has figured it out, and will be a contender for the foreseeable future.

Just a miserable experience being a Bears fan.

I agree with apathy.

For the most part, I don't think twice about not watching a game. When I do watch, I have no emotion about the game or outcome.

I don't necessarily think there needs to be another team. This team just needs new ownership

[tower912]

I get it.  Watching a game waiting for the team to step on a rake or have an anvil fall on their head.   Without hope.   Nothing but detached cynicism.

[WhiteTrash]

As a Bears fan I take heart in the Denver Broncos. A smart and capable coach came into a mess and turned them around pretty fast. I think the Bears have similar talent (and will be adding with good draft capital and about $60M of cap space).

As a Bears fan I am pessimistic because of ownership and Warren.

[Lennys Tap]

I made the argument that Darnold's numbers were similar to Goff's.  It was not well received.   

Anyway, if Minnesota ends up as the NFC north champs or even #1 seed how does Darnold not enter the conversation?

You've already stated Goff isn't a candidate. Why would Darnold be one?

[Shaka Shart]

I dunno, the Packers simply cut their best player at the end of camp

Even worse, it's made you have to be a jets fan recently

[Uncle Rico]

The NFL is dying:

https://bsky.app/profile/janecoaston.bsky.social/post/3ldk37dzlyk2k

[tower912]

Penix in, Cousins to sit in Atlanta.

[The Sultan]

Penix in, Cousins to sit in Atlanta.

Signing Cousins to that contract never made sense.

OTOH, when his time in Atlanta is done, he will have made over $300M for only one playoff win. And that was the miracle game against New Orleans. Good for him.

[RJax55]

Signing Cousins to that contract never made sense.

OTOH, when his time in Atlanta is done, he will have made over $300M for only one playoff win. And that was the miracle game against New Orleans. Good for him.

Signing a QB in his mid-30s coming off a Achilles tear is smart business. As the season has gone on, that leg looks weaker and weaker. No ability to push off of that foot anymore.

[Jockey]

Drafting Pennix looks pretty smart now

[Uncle Rico]

https://bsky.app/profile/rbsdm.com/post/3ldlouegf3c2j

Huh

[forgetful]

https://bsky.app/profile/rbsdm.com/post/3ldlouegf3c2j

Huh

Willis for MVP.

[barfolomew]

Penix in, Cousins to sit in Atlanta.

I think Cousins hangs it up after this.

He's going to forever be remembered as the QB That Sank Barf's Fantasy Playoff Run by Completely Ignoring Mooney and Throwing a TD to Drake London.

[Hards Alumni]

Lamar is an amazing talent but you have to admit he's got very good support.

Allen is surrounded by better players imo.

[Hards Alumni]

I think Cousins hangs it up after this.

He's going to forever be remembered as the QB That Sank Barf's Fantasy Playoff Run by Completely Ignoring Mooney and Throwing a TD to Drake London.

That'd be foolish when he can sit on the sideline collecting a fat check.  If they cut him, sure, but he has $90m guaranteed.

[Uncle Rico]

https://bsky.app/profile/diannarussini.bsky.social/post/3ldntmsbkdc2s

Woody Johnson, certified idiot.  Good luck, Jets fans.

[Uncle Rico]

More:

https://bsky.app/profile/billbarnwell.com/post/3ldnyc7pdus2y