2024-25 NFL Thread

[Jockey]

Bears offense is hummin'. Over 25 times more yardage in 1st half than last week.

The guys were ready tonite.

BTW, Caleb is bad. Really bad.

[jesmu84]

Williams needs A LOT of work in the pocket.  Does not see the field at all after his primary read is taken away

Thomas Brown changes to a 1 read offense after Waldron was fired.

But, beyond that, after taking the most sacks and pressures in the league, he's seeing ghosts.

That'll happen to a rookie with this line and coaching

[jesmu84]

Bears offense is hummin'. Over 25 times more yardage in 1st half than last week.

The guys were ready tonite.

BTW, Caleb is bad. Really bad.

Is it your assertion then that Caleb Williams doesn't currently have or never had the ability to be a successful NFL QB?

[forgetful]

Bears offense is hummin'. Over 25 times more yardage in 1st half than last week.

The guys were ready tonite.

BTW, Caleb is bad. Really bad.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you. But if you put Sam Darnold on the same Bear's squad, do you think they would have won more games. I don't think so.

The difference between the Vikings and the Bears are more the surrounding talent, and those in charge than it is the QB.

[forgetful]

I agree Allen has been the best, but more often than not, the QB on the best team wins (assuming he has had a very good season).

What about Lamar Jackson? I have him ahead of Goff. His season has been off the charts, and is arguably better than Allen's.

Regarding the bolded, what if the Vikings end up with the best record? Darnold's stats are pretty similar to Goff's, but he's not discussed because he isn't anywhere near Allen and Jackson...so why list Goff?

[Uncle Rico]

What about Lamar Jackson? I have him ahead of Goff. His season has been off the charts, and is arguably better than Allen's.

Regarding the bolded, what if the Vikings end up with the best record? Darnold's stats are pretty similar to Goff's, but he's not discussed because he isn't anywhere near Allen and Jackson...so why list Goff?

Doesn't "feel" like he's carrying the team in a way Lamar and Allen are.

[tower912]

I made the argument that Darnold's numbers were similar to Goff's.  It was not well received.   

Anyway, if Minnesota ends up as the NFC north champs or even #1 seed how does Darnold not enter the conversation?

[Uncle Rico]

I made the argument that Darnold's numbers were similar to Goff's.  It was not well received.   

Anyway, if Minnesota ends up as the NFC north champs or even #1 seed how does Darnold not enter the conversation?

Because it's Allen's to lose

[WhiteTrash]

Doesn't "feel" like he's carrying the team in a way Lamar and Allen are.

Lamar is an amazing talent but you have to admit he's got very good support.

[forgetful]

Doesn't "feel" like he's carrying the team in a way Lamar and Allen are.

Agree. I have Lamar and Allen way ahead of everyone else. Allen leading the league in rushing TDs might give him the nod, but Lamar is the best player in the league this year.

If Lamar hadn't won last year, he'd be being discussed as the clear favorite. I think people have started to just expect insane number from Lamar (34 TDs vs 3 int, and 743 yards rushing, with 3 more TDs).

Lamar has a legit chance to pass for 4000 yards, pass for 40 TDs, and rush for 1000 (he will likely hit all but the 1000 yards rushing). That is insane, and significantly better than his MVP season last year.

[tower912]

Because it's Allen's to lose

Agreed. 

[WhiteTrash]

Bears offense is hummin'. Over 25 times more yardage in 1st half than last week.

The guys were ready tonite.

BTW, Caleb is bad. Really bad.

If you think Caleb is bad, you should have seen Allen's or Manning's rookie years.

[WhiteTrash]

The Bears' offense reminds me of the awful Panthers' offense last year. I wonder why?

[wadesworld]

Hope nobody took David Montgomery's over 775.5 rushing yards on the season. Ends the year with 775.

[MuggsyB]

The Bears are quite frankly an abomination.  What kind of throw was that?

[forgetful]

Hope nobody took David Montgomery's over 775.5 rushing yards on the season. Ends the year with 775.

It is crazy that was a betting line and he finished at 775. That's how conspiracy theories are born.

[Jockey]

Is it your assertion then that Caleb Williams doesn't currently have or never had the ability to be a successful NFL QB?

Not on the Bears.

He certainly has a lot of athletic ability, but so did Fields. He needs to have a real coach who knows how to develop QBs. I doubt he gets that in Chicago.

[MuggsyB]

Troy Aikman pimping Poles is interesting.  As is his take that had the Bears beat Washington their entire season would be different.  Lol. 

[forgetful]

The fact that the Bears have had 2 TDs taken back because of boneheaded penalties (2 FGs instead) highlights some of their problems. Just undisciplined. You can't have mistakes like that in the NFL and have success.

[MuggsyB]

The fact that the Bears have had 2 TDs taken back because of boneheaded penalties (2 FGs instead) highlights some of their problems. Just undisciplined. You can't have mistakes like that in the NFL and have success.

Spot on.  The Bears have one decent win.  I said that when they were 4-2 and that they'd be lucky to finish 7-10.  By my count they haven't won a game in 2 months. 

[Jockey]

If you think Caleb is bad, you should have seen Allen's or Manning's rookie years.

People think it is a positive that Caleb doesn't throw interceptions. I see it as a huge red flag.

[Uncle Rico]

If you think Caleb is bad, you should have seen Allen's or Manning's rookie years.

I saw Peyton Manning's rookie year.  He was a thousand times better than this and he threw 29 picks

Allen wasn't the first overall pick and was seen by many as a project.

Apples to oranges

[The Sultan]

I feel really bad for Williams. He was put into a crappy situation, one that was completely avoidable because the same organization screwed up the same way TWICE before with rookie quarterbacks, so next year he has to come in and start over. He almost needs to unlearn everything he has learned, which just delays his development further.

[WhiteTrash]

I saw Peyton Manning's rookie year.  He was a thousand times better than this and he threw 29 picks

Allen wasn't the first overall pick and was seen by many as a project.

Apples to oranges

I agree Caleb has been bad this year and I don't know if he'll ever be good. He has good moments, drives, halves that make you think there is something to be hopeful about. The next coaching hire is critical to fairly evaluate him.

But, there is no objective measure that points towards Manning being 1,000, 100, 10 or even 2 times or better as a rookie. If you want to say Manning had a better rookie year, that's fair.
      PM     CW
Y/G   234    210
TD/G  1.6    1.2
INT/G 1.7    0.3
RTG     71    88

[Uncle Rico]

I agree Caleb has been bad this year and I don't know if he'll ever be good. He has good moments, drives, halves that make you think there is something to be hopeful about. The next coaching hire is critical to fairly evaluate him.

But, there is no objective measure that points towards Manning being 1,000, 100, 10 or even 2 times or better as a rookie. If you want to say Manning had a better rookie year, that's fair.
      PM     CW
Y/G   234    210
TD/G  1.6    1.2
INT/G 1.7    0.3
RTG     71    88

It was a completely different game in 1998 than it is today.  Played, coached and officiated at completely different levels.  Manning changed the level of play.  There is no indication Caleb Williams will change how we judge QBs.