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2024-25 NFL Thread

Started by Herman Cain, July 08, 2023, 07:41:44 AM

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Pakuni

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 01, 2023, 09:16:11 AM

I don't think its a great idea, but it is certainly one Davis will be perfectly willing to throw a lot of money at.

Can I ask why?

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Pakuni on November 01, 2023, 09:13:43 AM
That's not s terrible idea. There's a history there.
What's the history between the Raider and Harbaugh?

Pakuni

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 01, 2023, 10:21:07 AM
What's the history between the Raider and Harbaugh?

Harbaugh started his coaching career as the Raiders QB coach in the 2002 and 2003 seasons, before getting the HC job at the U of San Diego. He's remained close to the Davis family since.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Pakuni on November 01, 2023, 09:25:24 AM
Can I ask why?

I don't think it ended well in San Francisco, which was admittedly a disaster, and not sure spending a decade at the college level is going to help him.

It might be fine, and someone with his personality is probably needed to deal with Davis.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

DegenerateDish

The fortune cookie story is fake, right? There's no way McDaniels was fired by a fortune cookie, right?

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: DegenerateDish on November 01, 2023, 11:06:34 AM
The fortune cookie story is fake, right? There's no way McDaniels was fired by a fortune cookie, right?


I mean I think it's fake. But it could totally be real.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

Pakuni

Quote from: DegenerateDish on November 01, 2023, 11:06:34 AM
The fortune cookie story is fake, right? There's no way McDaniels was fired by a fortune cookie, right?


Pretty sure it's a PF Changs joke.

cheebs09

Quote from: DegenerateDish on November 01, 2023, 11:06:34 AM
The fortune cookie story is fake, right? There's no way McDaniels was fired by a fortune cookie, right?

I assumed it was something written by PFT Commenter.


Jockey

Will the Bears have more wins or more fired coaches by the end of the season?

Scored is tied right now.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: jesmu84 on November 01, 2023, 02:55:26 PM
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/01/chicago-bears-did-not-lay-groundwork-for-extension-before-montez-sweat-trade/

Oh. Smart.
Said it before, I'll say it again; Poles does not give a damn about the Bears future. He will burn it to the ground on his way out the door. 

lawdog77

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 01, 2023, 03:08:16 PM
Wow.
Not to defend the Bears, but there's no real evidence they haven't "laid the groundwork" whatever that means. There's always the franchise tag as well.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: lawdog77 on November 01, 2023, 03:26:11 PM
Not to defend the Bears, but there's no real evidence they haven't "laid the groundwork" whatever that means. There's always the franchise tag as well.
Good point, franchise tags are the best way to endear yourself to a player. Plus he is one of the top 5 DE in the NFL, right?

Pakuni

Quote from: lawdog77 on November 01, 2023, 03:26:11 PM
Not to defend the Bears, but there's no real evidence they haven't "laid the groundwork" whatever that means. There's always the franchise tag as well.

Nest year's franchise tag for a DE will cost you $20.4 million.

lawdog77

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 01, 2023, 03:37:37 PM
Good point, franchise tags are the best way to endear yourself to a player. Plus he is one of the top 5 DE in the NFL, right?
What does this even mean?
ESPN's Jeremy Fowler indicated that Chicago didn't exactly lay the groundwork for an extension before acquiring Sweat.

What did you expect the bears to do before trading for him?


lawdog77


Pakuni

Quote from: lawdog77 on November 01, 2023, 03:48:07 PM
Here's what Sweat may get in a contract

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/montez-sweat-29061/market-value/

That projection is greatly skewed by the odd inclusion of Nick Bosa as a comparable player.
Sacks aren't the only important consideration, even for an edge rusher, but Bosa averages .78 per game played to Sweat's .53. Bosa also has a huge edge in tackles for loss and QB hits, and smaller edge in forced fumbles.
I like Sweat, but really can't find any measure in which he would be a comparable player to Nick Bosa.

jesmu84

Quote from: lawdog77 on November 01, 2023, 03:26:11 PM
Not to defend the Bears, but there's no real evidence they haven't "laid the groundwork" whatever that means. There's always the franchise tag as well.

Does this count as evidence? https://twitter.com/CEmma670/status/1719788204528672772?t=qVnvMspc7Iq1I-0dj5syyQ&s=19

But now there's this:
https://x.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1719806987897078141?s=20


Pakuni

Quote from: lawdog77 on November 01, 2023, 04:37:34 PM
Kind of hard to talk with him before he is traded. Tampering?

I believe it's no longer tampering if the player's current team grants permission. It's how Davante Adams and Tyreek Hill basically had new deals in place the moment they were traded to the Raiders and Dolphins, respectively.
Which Washington probably would have granted to the Bears if they were looking to unload him.

lawdog77

Quote from: Pakuni on November 01, 2023, 04:43:22 PM
I believe it's no longer tampering if the player's current team grants permission. It's how Davante Adams and Tyreek Hill basically had new deals in place the moment they were traded to the Raiders and Dolphins, respectively.
Which Washington probably would have granted to the Bears if they were looking to unload him.
I tried to find an article to see if Sweat had permission to talk to other teams but couldnt find one.

RJax55

Quote from: Pakuni on November 01, 2023, 04:43:22 PM
I believe it's no longer tampering if the player's current team grants permission. It's how Davante Adams and Tyreek Hill basically had new deals in place the moment they were traded to the Raiders and Dolphins, respectively.
Which Washington probably would have granted to the Bears if they were looking to unload him.

Correct. The Bears did it in the Khalil Mack trade as well.

lawdog77

Quote from: jesmu84 on November 01, 2023, 04:31:58 PM
Does this count as evidence? https://twitter.com/CEmma670/status/1719788204528672772?t=qVnvMspc7Iq1I-0dj5syyQ&s=19

But now there's this:
https://x.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1719806987897078141?s=20
Not really.He didnt say his agents weren't working on it,  just that hes not.Poles comments didnt say he just started, just that they are working on it.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: lawdog77 on November 01, 2023, 04:50:13 PM
Not really.He didnt say his agents weren't working on it,  just that hes not.Poles comments didnt say he just started, just that they are working on it.

Hey didn't realize Ryan Poles was a Scooper.

It's pretty common to work out this stuff ahead of time when you are trading high value assets.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.