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[JWags85]

Zero issue with that.  Legacy admissions are based in financial considerations and not any sort of academic reputation of the university mix.

My favorite legacy is a girl I knew through friends in Chicago.  She went to a pretty good suburban HS but was not a very bright student and didn't get into Northern Illinois.  However, she had some well heeled family who were alumni at Purdue.  Guess where she ended up going?  BOILER UP!  Not shockingly, she didn't even last 2 full years.

[muwarrior69]

Sure I do.

When a court routinely upholds precedent for over 50 years, but then simply decides to overturn precedent, that’s an activist court. To pretend otherwise is simply false.

Dobbs was just as much an example of an activist court as Brown v. Board of Education. Don’t be intellectually dishonest and pretend otherwise.

...but they both corrected flawed decisions. Dobbs returned the abortion debate back to the people. It may take decades, but I think the electorate will figure it out. To day we still have equal but separate public school education. Tell me all those inner city kids are getting the same education as all those suburban schools and many inner city schools are paying more per pupil than their suburban counterparts.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

...but they both corrected flawed decisions. Dobbs returned the abortion debate back to the people. It may take decades, but I think the electorate will figure it out.

I’m glad it helps you sleep at night but it wasn’t a ‘flawed decision’. It was multiple cases that reaffirmed the position of the court that created decades of precedent.

You can use whatever terms you want for that but let’s not pretend that five years ago someone got something wrong and we’re just correcting the error. 

[muwarrior69]

Here's something long overdue. Now we'll see what, if anything, comes of it ...

WASHINGTON (AP) — A civil rights group is challenging legacy admissions at Harvard University, saying the practice discriminates against students of color by giving an unfair boost to the mostly white children of alumni.

https://apnews.com/article/legacy-admissions-affirmative-action-colleges-4a4e1191274e91e695e0631ff5156875

The practice of giving priority to the children of alumni has faced growing pushback in the wake of last week’s Supreme Court’s decision ending affirmative action in higher education. The NAACP added its weight behind the effort on Monday, asking more than 1,500 colleges and universities to even the playing field in admissions, including by ending legacy admissions.

The civil rights complaint was filed Monday by Lawyers for Civil Rights, a nonprofit based in Boston, on behalf of Black and Latino community groups in New England, alleging that Harvard’s admissions system violates the Civil Rights Act.

“Why are we rewarding children for privileges and advantages accrued by prior generations?” said Ivan Espinoza-Madrigal, the group’s executive director. “Your family’s last name and the size of your bank account are not a measure of merit, and should have no bearing on the college admissions process.”

Opponents say the practice is no longer defensible without affirmative action providing a counterbalance. The court’s ruling says colleges must ignore the race of applicants, activists point out, but schools can still give a boost to the children of alumni and donors.

The complaint, submitted with the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights, draws on Harvard data that came to light amid the affirmative action case that landed before the Supreme Court. The records revealed that 70% of Harvard’s donor-related and legacy applicants are white, and being a legacy student makes an applicant roughly six times more likely to be admitted.

It draws attention to other colleges that have abandoned the practice amid questions about its fairness, including Amherst College and Johns Hopkins University.

No argument from me, but until Colleges and Universities have actual skin in the game when it comes to student loans and lowering tuition costs there is nothing fair in paying for an overpriced diploma that most students today have difficulty paying off.

[muwarrior69]

I’m glad it helps you sleep at night but it wasn’t a ‘flawed decision’. It was multiple cases that reaffirmed the position of the court that created decades of precedent.

You can use whatever terms you want for that but let’s not pretend that five years ago someone got something wrong and we’re just correcting the error.

So separate but equal was not flawed?

[Warriors4ever]

‘It may take decades, but I think the electorate will figure it out’

It should not have taken decades to figure out that separate but equal isn’t equal - oh wait we still haven’t figured that out.
Women should not have to wait decades either.
Not to mention the ballot initiatives the far right now is trying to keep people from voting on in the first place, because they’ve lost the ones that were on the ballot since Dobbs. And the push for a federal ban, even for states that don’t have one now.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

So separate but equal was not flawed?

It’s a completely different situation where the rights of people were subjugated.

Here a right to make your own decisions with a doctor was granted to more than a generation of people and then taken away.

Oopsie - they got that technically wrong over and over again over the past 50 years.  We’ll fix it!

[muwarrior69]

It’s a completely different situation where the rights of people were subjugated.

Here a right to make your own decisions with a doctor was granted to more than a generation of people and then taken away.

Oopsie - they got that technically wrong over and over again over the past 50 years.  We’ll fix it!

I’m glad it helps you sleep at night but it wasn’t a ‘flawed decision’. It was multiple cases that reaffirmed the position of the court that created decades of precedent.

You can use whatever terms you want for that but let’s not pretend that five years ago someone got something wrong and we’re just correcting the error.

Abortion advocates seem to be winning at the ballot box so what is the problem.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Abortion advocates seem to be winning at the ballot box so what is the problem.

I don’t like activist courts.  I guess we agree right?

[Lennys Tap]

Here's something long overdue. Now we'll see what, if anything, comes of it ...

WASHINGTON (AP) — A civil rights group is challenging legacy admissions at Harvard University, saying the practice discriminates against students of color by giving an unfair boost to the mostly white children of alumni.

https://apnews.com/article/legacy-admissions-affirmative-action-colleges-4a4e1191274e91e695e0631ff5156875

The practice of giving priority to the children of alumni has faced growing pushback in the wake of last week’s Supreme Court’s decision ending affirmative action in higher education. The NAACP added its weight behind the effort on Monday, asking more than 1,500 colleges and universities to even the playing field in admissions, including by ending legacy admissions.

The civil rights complaint was filed Monday by Lawyers for Civil Rights, a nonprofit based in Boston, on behalf of Black and Latino community groups in New England, alleging that Harvard’s admissions system violates the Civil Rights Act.

“Why are we rewarding children for privileges and advantages accrued by prior generations?” said Ivan Espinoza-Madrigal, the group’s executive director. “Your family’s last name and the size of your bank account are not a measure of merit, and should have no bearing on the college admissions process.”

Opponents say the practice is no longer defensible without affirmative action providing a counterbalance. The court’s ruling says colleges must ignore the race of applicants, activists point out, but schools can still give a boost to the children of alumni and donors.

The complaint, submitted with the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights, draws on Harvard data that came to light amid the affirmative action case that landed before the Supreme Court. The records revealed that 70% of Harvard’s donor-related and legacy applicants are white, and being a legacy student makes an applicant roughly six times more likely to be admitted.

It draws attention to other colleges that have abandoned the practice amid questions about its fairness, including Amherst College and Johns Hopkins University.

Legacy admissions should be ended. Colleges won’t like it ($) but if it’s only fair. Wh6 should one kind of prejudice be OK and not another?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

...but they both corrected flawed decisions. Dobbs returned the abortion debate back to the people. It may take decades, but I think the electorate will figure it out. To day we still have equal but separate public school education. Tell me all those inner city kids are getting the same education as all those suburban schools and many inner city schools are paying more per pupil than their suburban counterparts.

They were flawed in your opinion.

But overturning precedent after 50 years of upholding it, is activist.

[muwarrior69]

It’s a completely different situation where the rights of people were subjugated.

Here a right to make your own decisions with a doctor was granted to more than a generation of people and then taken away.

Oopsie - they got that technically wrong over and over again over the past 50 years.  We’ll fix it!

It has nothing to with making your own decision with your doctor, but when the state has a compelling interest in protecting the life of an unborn child.

...and inner city kids are not subjugated to an inferior education? Just look at all the test scores and graduation rates. So much good did Brown vs BOE.

[muwarrior69]

They were flawed in your opinion.

But overturning precedent after 50 years of upholding it, is activist.

I never said they were not.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

It has nothing to with making your own decision with your doctor, but when the state has a compelling interest in protecting the life of an unborn child.

It does because every woman with a legitimate right to have a procedure done in the most restrictive cases have the government in that room.  I’m not even getting into how to define things but by it’s nature it takes the right away even if it meets one of x number of arbitrary definitions now that is out there. 

You can try to bring race into it for what-about-ism all you want.  But if you propose legislative or judicial means to make the poorest peoples life’s more equitable.  I’d be for that too.

 But it’s separate from your “we made an oopsie” theory. 

[Pakuni]

Legacy admissions should be ended. Colleges won’t like it ($) but if it’s only fair. Wh6 should one kind of prejudice be OK and not another?

Good question.
Explain 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis

[SoCalEagle]

If legacy preferences and wealth preferences (making a donation for admittance) are eliminated, can athletic preference be far behind?  This could ruin college sports forever!!!!

[Pakuni]

...and inner city kids are not subjugated to an inferior education? Just look at all the test scores and graduation rates. So much good did Brown vs BOE.

Do you think Browv v BOE was a mistake?

[lawdog77]

If legacy preferences and wealth preferences (making a donation for admittance) are eliminated, can athletic preference be far behind?  This could ruin college sports forever!!!!

And many schools are eliminating standardized test scores. So, looks like it will be a lottery system, with the losers having to fight in the Hunger Games.

[WhiteTrash]

Private schools = private policies. Harvard does not hold a monopoly on great education, nor is Harvard the only path to 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness'.

If Harvard wants to do what they want, they should refuse public aid (students should still be free to secure funding however they see fit).

 

[Uncle Rico]

Do you think Browv v BOE was a mistake?

I do, but I also think slavery wasn’t that bad

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Nm

[NCMUFan]

Legacy admissions should be ended. Colleges won’t like it ($) but if it’s only fair. Wh6 should one kind of prejudice be OK and not another?

If HS graduates are getting into Harvard based on legacy, wouldn't that lower their incoming class ranking?
Aren't people always trying to get an edge somehow?
Aren't future doctor or dentist wannabe's frequently doing their undergraduate at schools that have medical or dental schools?  Why?  Because they think it will give them an edge to get in.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I do, but I also think slavery wasn’t that bad

"Shtick"

[Uncle Rico]

"Shtick"

No, I’m a Republican in 2023

[ZiggysFryBoy]

No, I’m a Republican in 2023

"Shtick"