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4everwarriors

Admission to college to be based on merit and not just checking the right boxes, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

wadesworld

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 29, 2023, 01:52:25 PM
Admission to college to be based on merit and not just checking the right boxes, hey?

Absolutely.  Just ask all those legacy kids...

lawdog77

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 29, 2023, 01:52:25 PM
Admission to college to be based on merit and not just checking the right boxes, hey?
Too bad we haven't fixed the need for it, yet.

TSmith34, Inc.

Merit like Jarod Kushner and George Bush?
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Pakuni

They ended legacy admissions?

wadesworld

My unborn child could be a D1 rower for the right price...

MU82

Thank goodness! College is safe again!

IBTL
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

4everwarriors

#7
AA really did a disservice to those admitted. For example, in my daughter's high school class was an African American student who matriculated to Harvard. He was arguably one of the brightest students I've run across... AP Scholar, National Merit Finalist. Unfortunately, he'll likely go through life with people saying he got in to Harvard based on AA. Nothing could be farther from the truth. He earned it.
The current Press Secretary, on the other hand, is an entirely different story, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Spotcheck Billy

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 29, 2023, 02:05:48 PM
AA really did a disservice to those admitted. For example, in my daughter's high school school was an African American student who matriculated to Harvard. He was arguably one of the brightest students I've run across... AP Scholar, National Merit Finalist. Unfortunately, he'll likely go through life with people saying he got in to Harvard based on AA. Nothing could be farther from the truth. He earned it.

Why do you make that assumption?
Maybe only dentists think like that.

lawdog77

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 29, 2023, 02:05:48 PM
AA really did a disservice to those admitted. For example, in my daughter's high school school was an African American student who matriculated to Harvard. He was arguably one of the brightest students I've run across... AP Scholar, National Merit Finalist. Unfortunately, he'll likely go through life with people saying he got in to Harvard based on AA. Nothing could be farther from the truth. He earned it.
The current Press Secretary, on the other hand, is an entirely different story, hey?
If that's the biggest problem of AA, that is a successful program

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on June 29, 2023, 02:09:27 PM
Why do you make that assumption?
Maybe only dentists think like that.

Shut up and drill
Guster is for Lovers

MU82

And all this time, I thought Alcoholics Anonymous helped people. Can't believe we have to say adios to AA.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Pakuni

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 29, 2023, 02:05:48 PM
Unfortunately, he'll likely go through life with people racists saying he got in to Harvard based on AA. Nothing could be farther from the truth. He earned it.


FTFY.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on June 29, 2023, 02:16:07 PM
And all this time, I thought Alcoholics Anonymous helped people. Can't believe we have to say adios to AA.

AA is another example of America being fool in' soft, aina?
Guster is for Lovers

Dickthedribbler

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 29, 2023, 01:54:12 PM
Merit like Jarod Kushner and George Bush?

And Malia Obama?

Dr. Blackheart

This ruling will be controversial but the reality is it the demographics of college have changed and will continue to change.  Females are now the vast majority of college students and whites will soon be under 50%. What's interesting is that it is the Asians who filed these lawsuits as they were stuck in a quota system.  The reality is AA and Title IX have become in parts largely obsolete over time as to what was intended (mostly by demographics naturally).

These laws shouldn't be evergreened but should be updated to reflect 2023 not 1973. The reality is, these were very successful in accomplishing their intent.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Dickthedribbler on June 29, 2023, 02:25:43 PM
And Malia Obama?
Maybe, though I admit I am completely ignorant WRT Malia's academics or ability to get into Harvard if she weren't the daughter of a former President.

I am quite positive OTOH that Jarod and Shrub would have had difficulty getting into Western Illinois without their connections.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

wadesworld

I can honestly say I never once thought that someone only got into the college they did because they were African American or a minority.

Coleman

I don't agree with the ruling but I don't think it will have that big of an impact. Schools will find other ways to get diverse student bodies, it just officially and explicitly can't be based on race.

You can use socio-economic status, family background, upbringing, etc.

A lot of room to get this type of information in certain essay questions without ever explicitly bringing up race.

Warriors4ever

I can only hope that is true, Coleman.
These justices that decided this, and their cheerleaders, are living in a bubble of their own making.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Coleman on June 29, 2023, 02:41:56 PM
I don't agree with the ruling but I don't think it will have that big of an impact. Schools will find other ways to get diverse student bodies, it just officially and explicitly can't be based on race.

You can use socio-economic status, family background, upbringing, etc.

A lot of room to get this type of information in certain essay questions without ever explicitly bringing up race.

Strongly disagree.  One political party is doing everything they can to destroy the American educational system.  They've spent decades attacking teachers and the educated people of this country. 
Guster is for Lovers

shoothoops

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 29, 2023, 02:05:48 PM
AA really did a disservice to those admitted. For example, in my daughter's high school class was an African American student who matriculated to Harvard. He was arguably one of the brightest students I've run across... AP Scholar, National Merit Finalist. Unfortunately, he'll likely go through life with people saying he got in to Harvard based on AA. Nothing could be farther from the truth. He earned it.
The current Press Secretary, on the other hand, is an entirely different story, hey?

Insecure racist White Man who cannot speak one language, jealously lashes out at Black Woman who speaks several languages.




MUBurrow

Quote from: lawdog77 on June 29, 2023, 02:10:02 PM
If that's the biggest problem of AA, that is a successful program

This is 100% it for me right here.

The Sultan

Quote from: Coleman on June 29, 2023, 02:41:56 PM
I don't agree with the ruling but I don't think it will have that big of an impact. Schools will find other ways to get diverse student bodies, it just officially and explicitly can't be based on race.

You can use socio-economic status, family background, upbringing, etc.

A lot of room to get this type of information in certain essay questions without ever explicitly bringing up race.

Yep. Many colleges and universities stopped explicitly using race a long time ago in anticipation of a ruling like this. IMO it will result in very little change to what many places are already doing.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jockey

Quote from: Pakuni on June 29, 2023, 01:54:23 PM
They ended legacy admissions?

GWB. Is smiling today. Mediocre, rich white kids have been sparred.

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