Adios AA

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Devils advocate, Kushner was way over his head politically and looked like a clown from 2016 onward, but he went to a really good HS, graduated from Harvard with honors, and got a JD/MBA from NYU and was more than a little successful taking over after his dad went to jail.  No doubt his dad's fat check drove his admission into Harvard, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a bumbling idiot. 

Fair point.

Though, he was also a bumbling idiot in real estate, too, until his connections brought in sketchy foreign money to bail him out.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Yeah, because they are diverse.
Ethnic and cultural diversity isn't something determined only by arbitrary political boundaries and skin color.

Using that "logic" the 100s of native American tribes would make the USofA more diverse.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Using that "logic" the 100s of native American tribes would make the USofA more diverse.

The land mass of Africa is gigantic. Regardless of specificity of definition.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Using that "logic" the 100s of native American tribes would make the USofA more diverse.

There are different types of tribes no doubt. Hundreds?  No. But they’re not all the same you know.

[dgies9156]

In this scenario, how is a kid from Englewood or Appalachia given an equal chance with one from Winnetka or Scarsdale?

Does the young man or woman from Father Ryan have the equal chance with a person from MBA, BGA or a private academy in the east?

Probably not.

Life is what you make of it. All things being equal, someone from Harvard has a better chance of being a CEO than someone from Marquette. But that just means the woman from Marquette is going to have to work harder than the silver spooned legacy Caucasian male from Harvard. Get used to it. That's life.

Guess who I'd rather have as my CEO -- the woman from Marquette because, dadgummit, she had to scratch for what she attained. Maybe the Harvard person did too, but at the end of the day, there comes a point where what you are is more important than who you are or from where you came!

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Guess who I'd rather have as my CEO -- the woman from Marquette because, dadgummit, she had to scratch for what she attained. Maybe the Harvard person did too, but at the end of the day, there comes a point where what you are is more important than who you are or from where you came!

Congrats I’m sure many people want This. Im sure some people think this person exists but it’s as unique as Al or hopefully Shaka.

I’m optimistic about the future but being grounded reality is never more important.

[Dickthedribbler]

Wow. Some of you guys are quite enthusiastic in your willingness to discriminate against Asian-American students. Shocked I tell you.

[rocket surgeon]

Fair point.

Though, he was also a bumbling idiot in real estate, too, until his connections brought in sketchy foreign money to bail him out.

  you have the hubris of bring up "bumbling idiots" and "sketchy foreign money"?? 

  prostitutes, porn hub accounts and crack are biness deductions now and they haven't even scratched the surface of art sales and gun possession by a felon

  pay your fair share, eyn'a

you best sit this one out oinky

[mu_hilltopper]

Question ..

Google tells me there are ~3200 colleges in the US public + private.   AA mostly impacted schools that were moderately+ selective and .. full, right?   That leaves thousands of other options, with tons of high quality schools to choose from.

So many of the cases that are stated surround schools like Harvard, MIT, Ivies, and formerly UCLA, and Berkeley.    These now turned away kids .. aren't they just going to another pretty solid school?

Doesn't the demise of AA only impact a tiny sliver of academically solid kids who have dozens of other choices?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

There are different types of tribes no doubt. Hundreds?  No. But they’re not all the same you know.

574 recognized tribes per the Dept of Interior.

But yes, I believe they are all the same.  🙄

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

The golden ring some would say….

[MuggsyB]

Wow. Some of you guys are quite enthusiastic in your willingness to discriminate against Asian-American students. Shocked I tell you.

This is very depressing and upsetting thread on a number of levels dtd.  I'll just leave it at that.  Keep your head up.  Maybe we can all agree that having a variety of views on the subject make this country great?  Unfortunately, if you read these comments, it seems more likely that our schism will widen and we're on the brink of a total collapse.  Secession may be in our future?  It's honestly really sad. 

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Question ..

Google tells me there are ~3200 colleges in the US public + private.   AA mostly impacted schools that were moderately+ selective and .. full, right?   That leaves thousands of other options, with tons of high quality schools to choose from.

So many of the cases that are stated surround schools like Harvard, MIT, Ivies, and formerly UCLA, and Berkeley.    These now turned away kids .. aren't they just going to another pretty solid school?

Doesn't the demise of AA only impact a tiny sliver of academically solid kids who have dozens of other choices?

If this is the case why would it be important enough for the highest court in the country to rule?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Yeah, because they are diverse.
Ethnic and cultural diversity isn't something determined only by arbitrary political boundaries and skin color.

The topic is AA legal definition in the US.  You pulled a Chicoesque 10 second Google search as your counter argument for diversity? You are better than that. Uganda is diverse?

Btw, how many Gaelic Tribes are we not counting? Pick up your game.

The fact is there has been statistically a lot of progress.  Time for a more advanced approach like what the Jackson's donated to MU 2-3 years ago. 

[mu_hilltopper]

If this is the case why would it be important enough for the highest court in the country to rule?

We both think the SC should weigh in.

I'm more interested in the practical societal impact, small, medium, large?

[Lennys Tap]

Question ..

Google tells me there are ~3200 colleges in the US public + private.   AA mostly impacted schools that were moderately+ selective and .. full, right?   That leaves thousands of other options, with tons of high quality schools to choose from.

So many of the cases that are stated surround schools like Harvard, MIT, Ivies, and formerly UCLA, and Berkeley.    These now turned away kids .. aren't they just going to another pretty solid school?

Doesn't the demise of AA only impact a tiny sliver of academically solid kids who have dozens of other choices?

People who are redlined can always find another house, I guess. That doesn’t make the discrimination any less wrong, though.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

  you have the hubris of bring up "bumbling idiots" and "sketchy foreign money"?? 

  prostitutes, porn hub accounts and crack are biness deductions now and they haven't even scratched the surface of art sales and gun possession by a felon

  pay your fair share, eyn'a

you best sit this one out oinky

Do you ever have a thought for yourself? Everything is a regurgitation of whatever was on Fox in the last hour, with never a shred of examination. You vomit out the daily outrage like the well-trained monkey that you are.

[mu_hilltopper]

People who are redlined can always find another house, I guess. That doesn’t make the discrimination any less wrong, though.

I'm not sure your point is there  -- unless you are making the point that AA was discriminating against whites, which I'd agree is undeniable -- but the comparative "wrongs" are not in the same league.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Do you ever have a thought for yourself? Everything is a regurgitation of whatever was on Fox in the last hour, with never a shred of examination. You vomit out the daily outrage like the well-trained monkey that you are.

🐷🐷

[Pakuni]

The topic is AA legal definition in the US.  You pulled a Chicoesque 10 second Google search as your counter argument for diversity? You are better than that. Uganda is diverse?

Btw, how many Gaelic Tribes are we not counting? Pick up your game.

The fact is there has been statistically a lot of progress.  Time for a more advanced approach like what the Jackson's donated to MU 2-3 years ago.

Meh. Just seems you want to handpick definition of diverse that supports your nitial claim. Whatever. Not worth arguing over.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Meh. Just seems you want to handpick definition of diverse that supports your nitial claim. Whatever. Not worth arguing over.

You lost me on Afghanistan and Iran. 

[Jay Bee]

Sultan has dressed as a Native American for Halloween

[Pakuni]

Does the young man or woman from Father Ryan have the equal chance with a person from MBA, BGA or a private academy in the east?

Probably not.

Life is what you make of it. All things being equal, someone from Harvard has a better chance of being a CEO than someone from Marquette. But that just means the woman from Marquette is going to have to work harder than the silver spooned legacy Caucasian male from Harvard. Get used to it. That's life.

Guess who I'd rather have as my CEO -- the woman from Marquette because, dadgummit, she had to scratch for what she attained. Maybe the Harvard person did too, but at the end of the day, there comes a point where what you are is more important than who you are or from where you came!

Huh. So you're OK with systemic inequities when they work against the poor and disadvantaged. That's life and all

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Meh. Just seems you want to handpick definition of diverse that supports your nitial claim. Whatever. Not worth arguing over.

Weak.  Take the L, cheeks.

[Pakuni]

You lost me on Afghanistan and Iran.

They're countries in a part of the world frequently referred to as the "Middle East," though that's a bit of a misnomer in the case of Afghanistan.
You should know this stuff.