2023-24 NBA Thread

[WhiteTrash]

Yep. Williams is younger than a bunch of guys who got drafted last week (Kolek, Knecht, Shannon, Scheierman, Reeves, Newton, Larsson).

Williams hasn't been great, but he's the kind of piece you keep - especially at a reasonable price - when you're (crosses fingers) rebuilding.

I thought, based upon injuries and production, the contract should be 3, $45M. So It's not like I think he should be sent to the G-League.

Also, a lot of Bulls fans are more concerned with his effort than injuries, especially for a guy trying to establish himself and trying to get paid. There is a real possibility he could put it in cruse control now that he has $90M.

If the Bulls move old guys and get a top 5 pick, nobody will care much about Williams or his contract. Borderline starters on lottery teams don't deserve this amount of ink.

[wadesworld]

Look out boys.  The Knicks and Sixers may have made some decent offseason moves so far, but the Bucks are killing it this offseason!  Got 2 immediate contributors in the Draft and added Delon Wright and Stanley Umude.  Can't think of a better start to the offseason for the Bucks.

[wadesworld]

The Bulls problems aren't giving Patrick Williams $18MM.  The problems are moves like giving Lauri Markkanen for Derrick Jones Jr. (who they then let walk), a first, and a second.

[WhiteTrash]

The Bulls problems aren't giving Patrick Williams $18MM.  The problems are moves like giving Lauri Markkanen for Derrick Jones Jr. (who they then let walk), a first, and a second.

and....
giving LaVine a max contract for a guy who never wins..
trading for Ball who has a history of injuries..
giving up waaaaaay too much for Vuc and then doubling down with an extension..
trading for a guy like DeRozen when 3 point shooting is at a premium in the NBA..
hiring and giving a secret extension (so the public would not find out) to Donovan..
    I can't think of another situation that a HC earned an extension but the team was too embarrassed to make it public.

[WhiteTrash]

So Klay is not going to be a Laker. Not surprised, the Lakers don't have a lot to sell without cap space or a great roster.

Klay is a real mystery to me. He could be great in Dallas or be a waste of money. I don't have a good feel for how it will play out.

[Pakuni]

So Klay is not going to be a Laker. Not surprised, the Lakers don't have a lot to sell without cap space or a great roster.

Klay is a real mystery to me. He could be great in Dallas or be a waste of money. I don't have a good feel for how it will play out.

I think Klay is very much done as a "Big 3" piece, but as a spot-up shooter to work off Luka and Kyrie, he can be pretty effective.
The real question is what does this mean for OMax.

[MuggsyB]

So Klay is not going to be a Laker. Not surprised, the Lakers don't have a lot to sell without cap space or a great roster.

Klay is a real mystery to me. He could be great in Dallas or be a waste of money. I don't have a good feel for how it will play out.

I do.  I rhymes with petite plaster. 

[MuggsyB]

Hopefully Tatum can pay his bills on just south of 63m per year.   

[Dish]

Might be nothing, but seems like "something" that Cuban sold and now Grousbeck is putting the Celtics up for sale.

[rocket surgeon]

Look out boys.  The Knicks and Sixers may have made some decent offseason moves so far, but the Bucks are killing it this offseason!  Got 2 immediate contributors in the Draft and added Delon Wright and Stanley Umude.  Can't think of a better start to the offseason for the Bucks.

   you got this absolutely right on!!  still wondering what sloppy seconds will be left when the bucks wake up from their extended hibernation.  and they've had ample time to meet with Giannis to see what he approves/disapproves of

[WhiteTrash]

Might be nothing, but seems like "something" that Cuban sold and now Grousbeck is putting the Celtics up for sale.

Pigs get fed. Hogs get slaughtered.

[Uncle Rico]

Donovan Mitchell signs 3-year extension with the Cavs

[MU82]

Might be nothing, but seems like "something" that Cuban sold and now Grousbeck is putting the Celtics up for sale.

And Grousbeck wants out right after giving Tatum the richest contract in NBA history (and one year after giving Brown the richest contract ever). It's only money!

[cheebs09]

   you got this absolutely right on!!  still wondering what sloppy seconds will be left when the bucks wake up from their extended hibernation.  and they've had ample time to meet with Giannis to see what he approves/disapproves of

At the end of the day, if Giannis and/or Dame aren't healthy in the playoffs, there's not much that matters what the Bucks do in June.

I think the most likely move is trading Brook to get younger, but not sure his value.

[WhiteTrash]

I have to say I'd give the Bulls a 'B+' on the off season. Still could be a 'F' if DeRozen, LaVine and Vuc come back, but so far they have done well. All indications are they are committed to moving the "mid-three" so there is reason for hope in Chicago.

With the Jalen Smith signing they proved that a young(24) big with an injury history but with highly efficient shooting (40% from 3, 55% overall) and 10 ppg, 5 rpg and 1 apg is truly worth. $9M/yr. (looking at you, Pat Williams  )

[GB Warrior]

I have to say I'd give the Bulls a 'B+' on the off season. Still could be a 'F' if DeRozen, LaVine and Vuc come back, but so far they have done well. All indications are they are committed to moving the "mid-three" so there is reason for hope in Chicago.

With the Jalen Smith signing they proved that a young(24) big with an injury history but with highly efficient shooting (40% from 3, 55% overall) and 10 ppg, 5 rpg and 1 apg is truly worth. $9M/yr. (looking at you, Pat Williams  )

Jury will be out on the Bulls until we learn what assets they need to attach to Lavine to get off of his contract

[WhiteTrash]

Jury will be out on the Bulls until we learn what assets they need to attach to Lavine to get off of his contract

Agreed. Definitely an incomplete grade at this point, but with 25% of the work done, I think they are doing well. 

[Tyler COLEk]

   you got this absolutely right on!!  still wondering what sloppy seconds will be left when the bucks wake up from their extended hibernation.  and they've had ample time to meet with Giannis to see what he approves/disapproves of

Chef's kiss to the group of scoopers deriding Giannis Antetokounmpo. You guys really know the NBA inside and out.

[Uncle Rico]

Chef's kiss to the group of scoopers deriding Giannis Antetokounmpo. You guys really know the NBA inside and out.

He's been wildly successful as a Milwaukee Buck and has transcended sport.  His impact on the community has been immeasurable, as great and probably greater than any cager or cager-affiliated person in the history of the sport with regard to this community.

An international superstar, his impact and reach is global and there is a subset of scooper who strongly dislikes this.  The chances Milwaukee has a superstar that brings both a championship and positive impact within the community as deep as his isn't great.  When he's gone, he'll be sorely missed. 

It isn't basketball-related reasons people want him to fail on the court and be gone.  It's far deeper than that.

[Tyler COLEk]

He's been wildly successful as a Milwaukee Buck and has transcended sport.  His impact on the community has been immeasurable, as great and probably greater than any cager or cager-affiliated person in the history of the sport with regard to this community.

An international superstar, his impact and reach is global and there is a subset of scooper who strongly dislikes this.  The chances Milwaukee has a superstar that brings both a championship and positive impact within the community as deep as his isn't great.  When he's gone, he'll be sorely missed. 

It isn't basketball-related reasons people want him to fail on the court and be gone.  It's far deeper than that.

Giannis will finish his time in Milwaukee as the most valuable Buck in history and there's a good chance nobody will ever catch him. The Bucks were unbelievably fortunate to ever have him under contract, let alone extended.

These scoopers probably still refer to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar as Lew Alcindor. There's a hint to why they don't like Giannis.

[WhiteTrash]

These scoopers probably still refer to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar as Lew Alcindor. There's a hint to why they don't like Giannis.

Anyone else remember Kareem converting to Greek? I completely missed it, but now I know.

[The Sultan]

Look out boys.  The Knicks and Sixers may have made some decent offseason moves so far, but the Bucks are killing it this offseason!  Got 2 immediate contributors in the Draft and added Delon Wright and Stanley Umude.  Can't think of a better start to the offseason for the Bucks.

Bucks really don't have a lot of options available to them. They can really only bring in players at vet minimums or find a willing sign and trade partner.  In reality that really limits their choices. You aren't trading Giannis or Dame. Likely aren't trading Brook either.

So you either have to take someone's junk for Khris, or get some minor upgrades for Connaughton or Portis.

This sums it up well. The Bucks are who they are going to be.

https://www.brewhoop.com/2024/6/30/24189210/milwaukee-bucks-nba-free-agency-trade-rumors-brook-lopez-pat-connaughton-bobby-portis

[WhiteTrash]

Looks like the Lakers are done. Any new money moves them into the second apron of the cap.

If this is the end for LeBron, a playoff appearance would be fun, but looking like a Play In team so coin flip chance to make the Playoffs.

[forgetful]

Looks like the Lakers are done. Any new money moves them into the second apron of the cap.

If this is the end for LeBron, a playoff appearance would be fun, but looking like a Play In team so coin flip chance to make the Playoffs.

I thought it was funny, and laughable, that the Lakers came out and said that Bronny's contract was "earned through hard work."

There was no other team that would have drafted him, and he was only drafted by the Lakers to make Lebron happy. The entire world knows this, and its fine. Giannis' brothers made the NBA for the same reason.

Just accept it, don't try to pretend that somehow he "earned" this, it makes them look silly (not that they care).

[Its DJOver]

I thought it was funny, and laughable, that the Lakers came out and said that Bronny's contract was "earned through hard work."

There was no other team that would have drafted him, and he was only drafted by the Lakers to make Lebron happy. The entire world knows this, and its fine. Giannis' brothers made the NBA for the same reason.

Just accept it, don't try to pretend that somehow he "earned" this, it makes them look silly (not that they care).

A few of them yes, but Giannis was averaging 6ppg when Thanasis was drafted.  He's only still around to keep Giannis happy, but a lot of the online comparisons (not necessarily here) seem to forget that he actually made it on his own and ground out a G-League/overseas career before he became the most expensive hype man in the world.  Whereas Bronny is only in the league at all because of his last name.