2023-24 NBA Thread

[Pakuni]

And OKC's GM said they were putting him on the bench next year.

Giddy is a fine NBA player with some potential upside. Nothing more or less. What he is not, is a good shooter or defender. Even at 6'8" he is stuck as a PG.

Is being a 6'8" point guard a negative?

Ranks among his draft class:
Points - 6th
Rebounds - 4th
Assists - 1st
WIn Shares - 9th
VORP - 4th
Box +/-  8th

[WhiteTrash]

Is being a 6'8" point guard a negative?

Ranks among his draft class:
Points - 6th
Rebounds - 4th
Assists - 1st
WIn Shares - 9th
VORP - 4th
Box +/-  8th

6'8" PG is great. Being able to play SG and SF would be better, right? Can't afford to have SG or SF who can't shoot. He is good with the ball and disturbing. Better than Coby White who is a short SG.

[MU82]

He is good with the ball and disturbing.

Hopefully doesn't get in trouble for disturbing the peace. He's already had one bad brush with the law.

[WhiteTrash]

Hopefully doesn't get in trouble for disturbing the peace. He's already had one bad brush with the law.

Stupid tablet keyboard 

[JWags85]

Giddey is also gonna spend the summer getting A LOT of minutes on a really good Olympic team.  Something that won't hurt his development at all

[Tyler COLEk]

Like WhiteTrash, I detest the Bulls front office/organization, but I don't think you can expect a much better return for Alex Caruso. A lottery pick in this year's draft probably doesn't carry as much value as Giddey.

[WhiteTrash]

Like WhiteTrash, I detest the Bulls front office/organization, but I don't think you can expect a much better return for Alex Caruso. A lottery pick in this year's draft probably doesn't carry as much value as Giddey.

But Tyler COLEk, that would give the Bulls a better chance at drafting Tyler Kolek. 

[MuggsyB]

The Bulls need to start over.  WT has stated this for years.  Giddey doesn't exactly move the needle despite having some potential at 21. 

[The Sultan]

The Bulls need to start over.  WT has stated this for years.  Giddey doesn't exactly move the needle despite having some potential at 21. 

This IS starting over. Who the hell do you think they're gonna get for Alex Caruso?

[MU82]

I cannot believe the Bulls accepted less than Gilgeous-Alexander and three 1st-round picks.

I mean, Caruso was second-team all-defense, and he's got a very shiny bald head!

[Pakuni]

The Bulls need to start over.  WT has stated this for years.  Giddey doesn't exactly move the needle despite having some potential at 21.

Giddey is a solid NBA player. If he improves on his deficiencies - not exactly unheard of for a player his age - he can become a good NBA player. But even if he doesn't, the Bulls still added a solid, young rotational piece in exchange for a guy who doesn't figure in the franchise's future.
It's exactly the kind of deal teams starting over make.
Now, they need to follow up by moving on from Lavine, DeRozan and Vuc.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Giddey is a solid NBA player. If he improves on his deficiencies - not exactly unheard of for a player his age - he can become a good NBA player. But even if he doesn't, the Bulls still added a solid, young rotational piece in exchange for a guy who doesn't figure in the franchise's future.
It's exactly the kind of deal teams starting over make.
Now, they need to follow up by moving on from Lavine, DeRozan and Vuc.

#FailforFlagg

[BM1090]

This IS starting over. Who the hell do you think they're gonna get for Alex Caruso?

Normally I'd agree with you but I'll let the offseason play out because with the Bulls any move is possible.

[JWags85]

Giddey is a solid NBA player. If he improves on his deficiencies - not exactly unheard of for a player his age - he can become a good NBA player. But even if he doesn't, the Bulls still added a solid, young rotational piece in exchange for a guy who doesn't figure in the franchise's future.
It's exactly the kind of deal teams starting over make.
Now, they need to follow up by moving on from Lavine, DeRozan and Vuc.

I think Giddey's floor is Ricky Rubio who couldn't score either (career 38/32/85 shooting splits) but was a very productive PG/offense orchestrator for 12 years.  Giddey is 6 inches taller and already a better overall scorer.  There are FAR worse pieces to build around at the 1

[WhiteTrash]

Honest questions here:
1. How many college teams would not hire JJ Reddick as their coach? 50-75?
2. How many college teams would Bronny not start on? 30-40?

Obviously, this came to my mind since it is very possible both will be part of the Lakers. Maybe the Lakers are playing 5D chess and the rest of the basketball world is playing checkers? 

[Pakuni]

Honest questions here:
1. How many college teams would not hire JJ Reddick as their coach? 50-75?
2. How many college teams would Bronny not start on? 30-40?

Obviously, this came to my mind since it is very possible both will be part of the Lakers. Maybe the Lakers are playing 5D chess and the rest of the basketball world is playing checkers?

The hand-wringing over Bronny is so weird.
If the Lakers or any other team uses a second-round pick on Bronny in order to land LeBron for a season or two, that's a fantastic use of a second-round pick. A 99% certainty to benefit your franchise more than using that pick on some other player.

[wadesworld]

The hand-wringing over Bronny is so weird.
If the Lakers or any other team uses a second-round pick on Bronny in order to land LeBron for a season or two, that's a fantastic use of a second-round pick. A 99% certainty to benefit your franchise more than using that pick on some other player.

Yup.  Bill Simmons's idea for the C's to take him at 30 and just hold him hostage is pretty funny.  Make some team trade way more than Bronny is worth to the C's in order to get Bronny.  Wouldn't be the worst play, given that the C's entire rotation is set for next year.

[Uncle Rico]

The hand-wringing over Bronny is so weird.
If the Lakers or any other team uses a second-round pick on Bronny in order to land LeBron for a season or two, that's a fantastic use of a second-round pick. A 99% certainty to benefit your franchise more than using that pick on some other player.

Some people just want an excuse to rip Lebron

[WhiteTrash]

The hand-wringing over Bronny is so weird.
If the Lakers or any other team uses a second-round pick on Bronny in order to land LeBron for a season or two, that's a fantastic use of a second-round pick. A 99% certainty to benefit your franchise more than using that pick on some other player.

I don't think hand-wringing is the correct term. Attention?

I think think the attention is warranted due to the absolutely unique situation and this is a family that craves and profits off attention (not a bad thing at all, I admire them). If people were not talking about Bronny, the James household would be the "hand-wringing capital of the world".

You may see actual hand-wringing & outrage by fans of a team that picks Bronny and has zero chance of landing LeBron. But I don't see that happening.

[WhiteTrash]

Some people just want an excuse to rip Lebron

Who is ripping LeBron as it relates to Bronny? Just curious.

[wadesworld]

Draft week.  Who does everyone want (and not want) their team to take in the Draft?  Any predictions on who their team actually will take?

I want the Bucks to get 2 versatile 3 and D wing defenders, or guys who at least have the physicality and athleticism to turn into wing defenders.  Guys like Terrence Shannon (not a lockdown defender, but I think he can turn into a plus defender), Kevin McCullar, Trey Alexander, and Pacome Dadiet.  Would be okay with a more versatile big like Kel'el Ware or Yves Missi as well, but wouldn't be my first choice.

Don't want Edey (seen enough of a big that can only play 1 defensive system), Filipowski, Holmes (watching him against Arizona, he looked overmatched athletically guarding the perimeter), or Scheierman.

Knowing the Bucks, they'll grab Edey if he's around, but I don't think he will be.  Which means I'll guess Filipowski and someone like Tyler Smith in the 2nd round.

Would love to see guys like Oso and Antonio Reeeves go undrafted and signed by the Bucks.

[JWags85]

Honest questions here:
1. How many college teams would not hire JJ Reddick as their coach? 50-75?

I think thats wholly irrelevant.  The NBA is such a different animal and there are far more examples of guys stepping into NBA HC roles with no experience and having success than in college.  That's not even factoring in the fact that he is Lebron's buddy. 

While I've hated on Lebron the GM in the past, this actually is probably one of the most intriguing coaching power plays he's made.  They have really good chemistry and hive mind from an Xs and Os standpoint that you can clearly see on the podcast.  Plus they are both respected vets from the same era.  If JJ gets a solid #2 on the bench, between the 3 of them, it could very well work.

The hand-wringing over Bronny is so weird.
If the Lakers or any other team uses a second-round pick on Bronny in order to land LeBron for a season or two, that's a fantastic use of a second-round pick. A 99% certainty to benefit your franchise more than using that pick on some other player.

I think its just a by-product of the Bronny the lottery pick BS that was hot a few months ago.  That has mostly dissipated so its not as justifiably annoying, but just further chatter.

If it was always just Bronny being a fringe 2nd round pick who would largely be picked to play with his Dad, there would be some haters obviously, but a lot less consternation.  I think the McD AA out of nowhere into the "Bronny rising up the boards into the lottery hype" with no on the court merit to it is what annoyed people.

[Jockey]

Carrington, Schiermann, McCullers , or Shannon.

[WhiteTrash]

I think thats wholly irrelevant.  The NBA is such a different animal and there are far more examples of guys stepping into NBA HC roles with no experience and having success than in college.  That's not even factoring in the fact that he is Lebron's buddy. 

While I've hated on Lebron the GM in the past, this actually is probably one of the most intriguing coaching power plays he's made.  They have really good chemistry and hive mind from an Xs and Os standpoint that you can clearly see on the podcast.  Plus they are both respected vets from the same era.  If JJ gets a solid #2 on the bench, between the 3 of them, it could very well work.

That's fair.

Basically in LBJ career, the coach either gets fired or LeBron moves on.

[Jockey]

That's fair.

Basically in LBJ career, the coach either gets fired or LeBron moves on.

Basically in Giannis's career, the coach gets fired.