2023-24 NBA Thread

[MuggsyB]

West's career stats are very impressive.  And there was no 3pt line.  Way before my time but it seems to me Boston had much better teams top to bottom. 

[JWags85]

RIP Jerry West

Not only one of the greatest players of all time, but arguably even a better general manager, winning 8 titles in that role.

And was working right up until the end for the Clippers.  Absolutely INSANE career longevity and adaptability as a front office exec

[MuggsyB]

Dallas could make this a series.  That Porzingas injury changes things. 

[PGsHeroes32]

The insinuation that Tatum is at least in the convo with Luka was one of the crazier takes Ive heard.

[MuggsyB]

The insinuation that Tatum is at least in the convo with Luka was one of the crazier takes Ive heard.

Kyrie didn't take Sam off the bounce.  That's a problem if you're Dallas. 

[tower912]

I am the Kyrie Irving kiss of death.   Every time I tune in, he goes cold.

[MuggsyB]

The insinuation that Tatum is at least in the convo with Luka was one of the crazier takes Ive heard.

Tatum may have read your post.   

[JWags85]

I think I'd like Tatum a lot more if he played on a different team.  The Cs tendency to randomly ball stop or stand on the perimeter, specifically with Tatum palming it, stinks to watch a talented scorer who can get to the rim at will

[MuggsyB]

Dallas better figure it out or it's over. 

[Tyler COLEk]

When the Celtics shoot like this, good luck. This whole building is shook. Series over.

[Tyler COLEk]

Great toughness from the Mavs to climb back in this.

[MuggsyB]

Great toughness from the Mavs to climb back in this.

Doncic fouling out doesn't help. 

[MuggsyB]

Not a smart shot fron Kyrie. 

[PGsHeroes32]

Tatum may have read your post.

No. They are legit better without him even on the floor.

Brown is the alpha of that team. Which is why comparing Tatum to Luka is crazy cause Tatum isnt even the best on that team when it matters

[MuggsyB]

No. They are legit better without him even on the floor.

Brown is the alpha of that team. Which is why comparing Tatum to Luka is crazy cause Tatum isnt even the best on that team when it matters

Luka can't foul out of this game though.  Absolute killer. 

[Tyler COLEk]

No. They are legit better without him even on the floor.

Brown is the alpha of that team. Which is why comparing Tatum to Luka is crazy cause Tatum isnt even the best on that team when it matters

Brown has taken his game to another level and is the clear MVP, but Jayson Tatum is leading all NBA players in +/- this postseason. He's been great.

[Tyler COLEk]

Luka can't foul out of this game though.  Absolute killer.

Maybe the knee is contributing, but conditioning is a legit issue for him. Maybe the only thing holding him back from being the clear best player in basketball.

[lawdog77]

Brown has taken his game to another level and is the clear MVP, but Jayson Tatum is leading all NBA players in +/- this postseason. He's been great.

Just my opinion, and I could be wrong, but I think +/- is a stat the NBA tried to translate from hockey, and it does not hold as much significance as it does in hockey.

[The Sultan]

Where did this idea come from that Tatum isn't a great player?

[MU82]

Just my opinion, and I could be wrong, but I think +/- is a stat the NBA tried to translate from hockey, and it does not hold as much significance as it does in hockey.

I think it's fallen out of favor with hockey stat-heads, too.

[Tyler COLEk]

+/- is a flawed stat, but it directly refutes the idea that the Celtics "are legit better without [Tatum] even on the floor."

[Tyler COLEk]

Where did this idea come from that Tatum isn't a great player?

It came out of nowhere this past week. Tatum is somebody people dislike for personal reasons that I don't understand. This year has seen the most absurd, short-sighted public reaction to an NBA playoffs I can remember.

[MU82]

Tyler, you probably hear it more because you follow the Celtics. I don't think "Tatum isn't that good" is  much of a national viewpoint.

When the opposing coach in the NBA Finals goes out of his way to diminish the guy, that will resonate with some who don't follow the game that closely. Nevertheless, the national media votes him All-Pro every year.

I also have no clue why some might dislike Tatum. I don't know him, but he seems like a decent enough guy.

[wadesworld]

It comes from some media pushing the narrative that he's a top 5 player in the NBA (he's not, and he never has been), and then people went way overboard in pushing back on that.  He's a great player, but not a tier 1 player.  Nothing wrong with it, but he's been pretty average, relative to what a number 1 player on an NBA title team should be, this Playoffs.  And he was bad in the 2022 Finals.

[MUBurrow]

Maybe the knee is contributing, but conditioning is a legit issue for him. Maybe the only thing holding him back from being the clear best player in basketball.

Also he's a short rectangle.