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Where does OMax get picked in the NBA draft?

Lottery (1-14)
4 (1.9%)
15-20
15 (7.2%)
20-25
60 (28.7%)
1st round, but after 25
80 (38.3%)
Second round (low blk%)
43 (20.6%)
Undrafted
7 (3.3%)

Total Members Voted: 209

Voting closed: June 22, 2023, 04:47:36 PM

Jay Bee

When does an organization draft this Warrior?
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Herman Cain

The good news is Omax is out of the dreaded end of second round prediction and now into end of first round prediction. Worked out for 16 teams. So seems like he is likely to be drafted.

Hopefully he can go to a winning organization .
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

4everwarriors

Petrocelli, watt spot did Omax tink heed goe at wen ewe worked 'im out, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"


Jay Bee

From Hollinger at The Athletic:

"However, his leaping ability is weirdly invisible on that end, with just nine blocked shots in two seasons. The same goes for his rebounding, which is very average for a guy with elite physical tools."

#LowBlk%
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Elonsmusk

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 08:56:15 AM
From Hollinger at The Athletic:

"However, his leaping ability is weirdly invisible on that end, with just nine blocked shots in two seasons. The same goes for his rebounding, which is very average for a guy with elite physical tools."

#LowBlk%

Maybe the Blk% and Reb% were a function of our system and O-Max's role within our system?  O-Max was frequently chasing guards around ball screens and defending the other team's best player.  I suspect the rebounding % numbers for defenders quarding the opposition's best player/highest shots percentage player is actually low.

That aside, I suspect NBA scouts/teams won't care about this and O-Max greatly exceeds the early expectations of him as a fringe late 2nd round draft choice.  Seems most now think he will be a late first-rounder despite the low Blk% number.  Amazing.

Jay Bee

The blk% is so low that it's bizarre
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We R Final Four

Seems to be greatly impacting his draft status. He'd be #1 overall with a higher block %.

Tyler COLEk

Hearing he might be making a late run to overtake Wembanyama, even with the block percentage.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: We R Final Four on June 20, 2023, 09:21:29 AM
Seems to be greatly impacting his draft status. He'd be #1 overall with a higher block %.

"4th best player" on MU would be a lottery pick except for his Blk%. Sad.
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Skatastrophy

Seems like the guys projected lower 1st round get pushed to the 2nd due to unexpected international draft picks sneaking in. I don't know if that's changed over the years, though.

jfp61

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 20, 2023, 10:14:47 AM
"4th best player" on MU would be a lottery pick except for his Blk%. Sad.

Im pretty sure i heard "sixth best" at one point.. and that one broke my brain

Jay Bee

Hollinger had Justin pegged (pawz) at #27 last year. Kiss of death for OMax at #30?
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MuMark

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 10:42:04 AM
Hollinger had Justin pegged (pawz) at #27 last year. Kiss of death for OMax at #30?

So where you at JB? You seem to down in OMax based on his really low block numbers.....are you in the undrafted camp?

Any single mock draft or rating can certainly be wrong......but it would seem unusual for everyone to mock him in the mid first to early 2nd round and fir him to go undrafted.

For those in the poll who have him in the lottery or undrafted you seem overly optimistic or pessimistic to me.

Jay Bee

Quote from: MuMark on June 20, 2023, 11:43:57 AM
So where you at JB? You seem to down in OMax based on his really low block numbers.....are you in the undrafted camp?

Any single mock draft or rating can certainly be wrong......but it would seem unusual for everyone to mock him in the mid first to early 2nd round and fir him to go undrafted.

For those in the poll who have him in the lottery or undrafted you seem overly optimistic or pessimistic to me.

It just feels a little risky to me, and I want the best for prOMax.

I do think the reb%'s are weak, the blk% is just crazy.. like a big time statistical outlier.. it's strange.. and his usage is low for an NBA first round wing. So him going in the second round would not surprise me. But, it only takes one team.

I actually have him in the 20-25 category.

I just struggle to explain his incredibly low blk% and wouldn't be surprised to see some teams have a question mark there as well. If I'm in a front office, I think I LOVE him as a second round pick

If his mindset is "I'm ready to go pro.. first, second, whatever, I'm ready" then great. If his mindset is "I stayed in this draft bc I'm going first round", then I'm a bit nervous
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MUfan12

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 12:26:27 PM
I do think the reb%'s are weak, the blk% is just crazy.. like a big time statistical outlier.. it's strange.. and his usage is low for an NBA first round wing. So him going in the second round would not surprise me. But, it only takes one team.
nervous

The lower usage would be the bigger question mark for me. Maybe I'm wrong, but it didn't seem like he was a help defender at the rim very often. A lot of the time he was away from the hoop bringing a double team as a help defender.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 12:26:27 PM
It just feels a little risky to me, and I want the best for prOMax.

I do think the reb%'s are weak, the blk% is just crazy.. like a big time statistical outlier.. it's strange.. and his usage is low for an NBA first round wing. So him going in the second round would not surprise me. But, it only takes one team.

I actually have him in the 20-25 category.

I just struggle to explain his incredibly low blk% and wouldn't be surprised to see some teams have a question mark there as well. If I'm in a front office, I think I LOVE him as a second round pick

If his mindset is "I'm ready to go pro.. first, second, whatever, I'm ready" then great. If his mindset is "I stayed in this draft bc I'm going first round", then I'm a bit nervous

Low block % probably isn't that tough to explain.  He was often out guarding the perimeter against jumpshooters. You don't block a lot of jump shots and Marquette never needed him to.

Weird stat to nitpick.
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Jay Bee

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on June 20, 2023, 02:29:15 PM
Low block % probably isn't that tough to explain.  He was often out guarding the perimeter against jumpshooters. You don't block a lot of jump shots and Marquette never needed him to.

Weird stat to nitpick.

Not at all. This isn't a nitpick. It's a crazy stat.

The only player on the team with a lower blk% was Sean Jones. C'mon now. With that vert, that energy; it's noteworthy.
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GoldenEagles03

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 02:46:13 PM
Not at all. This isn't a nitpick. It's a crazy stat.

The only player on the team with a lower blk% was Sean Jones. C'mon now. With that vert, that energy; it's noteworthy.

He had the same block % as 3 of the other 4 starters. No coincidence that the 4 switchables on the perimeter don't block shots. Not that he's not capable, but that he doesn't get opportunities on the perimeter. I distinctly remember Bryce Hopkins trying to take him off the dribble from the perimeter to the basket and getting swatted away by OMax. Not many tried or were able to get to the basket from the perimeter.
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Jay Bee

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on June 20, 2023, 02:51:36 PM
He had the same block % as 3 of the other 4 starters. No coincidence that the 4 switchables on the perimeter don't block shots. Not that he's not capable, but that he doesn't get opportunities on the perimeter. I distinctly remember Bryce Hopkins trying to take him off the dribble from the perimeter to the basket and getting swatted away by OMax. Not many tried or were able to get to the basket from the perimeter.

Bruh, he's 6'8", athletic and has a 7'1" wingspan. Racked up 5 blocks all year. Crazy
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 20, 2023, 07:41:40 AM
Petrocelli, watt spot did Omax tink heed goe at wen ewe worked 'im out, hey?

I talked directly to numerous NBA front office people and these are the exact quotes I got:

"Not on our board.  Low block % indicates he's lazy"

"Saw them in '22.  Bad body language"

"After how Butler choked in the finals and Hauser was unplayable in the playoffs, Marquette affiliated guys are off our board"

"Survived living in Milwaukee without being shot or robbed.  Either he's one of them or extremely lucky.  Character concerns abound"

"The other shoe will drop"

"Leaders write letters.  No indication he's ever wrote a letter to a coach.  Very concerning"

"We read scoop.  You guys are idiots"
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Tyler COLEk

Incredible for O-Max to get a green room invite. What a meteoric rise these past few months. Can't wait to watch on Thursday.

Herman Cain

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    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

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