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The Sultan

Oso and Kolek aren't becoming walk ons and paying tuition.
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StillAWarrior

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on April 29, 2023, 06:03:40 AM
Oso and Kolek aren't becoming walk ons and paying tuition.

But what if Shaka adopted them? MU employees' kids attend for free, right?
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panda

I've seen this discussed as a "loophole" in regards to NIL and scholarship numbers but it seems like a bunch of out of touch people yelling at the clouds.

I think it's totally reasonable that at some point, an athlete may use their NIL money to pay tuition - although I don't see it happening often and it will take special circumstances.

What I think is completely absurd about this hypothetical scenario is that theoretically two highly recruited players will be totally happy playing in a walk on role for the team instead of transferring.

Not happening.

We R Final Four

If Omax doesn't return, he will be replaced by Jop or a combination of players currently on the roster.

He will not be replaced by a banger in the portal..........someone who shoots mid range jumpers...........someone we are going to give a bag of $.......or an aircraft carrier.

Its as if some of you haven't seen Shaka coach or listened yo him speak.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: We R Final Four on April 29, 2023, 09:05:25 AM
If Omax doesn't return, he will be replaced by Jop or a combination of players currently on the roster.

He will not be replaced by a banger in the portal..........someone who shoots mid range jumpers...........someone we are going to give a bag of $.......or an aircraft carrier.

Its as if some of you haven't seen Shaka coach or listened yo him speak.

Last offseason, he bagged a transfer who hit on 3 of those 4, so I am not so sure. In fact, that portalee just might return. 😉

Herman Cain

So next up for Omax is the potential of an NBA Combine invite . If Omax doesn't get that he can get potentially grt  a G League combine invite and a fee of those play their way into NBA combine  i think the invites are sent out in the next week .

There are 60 spots in NBA Draft plus teo way contracts . Last year 13 players were signed to two ways . So essentially Omax needs to be seen as top 75ish player. Of course there are the rare cases like Jamal who got an Exhibit 10 contract that got him into thr Heat camp and then he earned his way into a two way.

My guess is Omax will be positively received by the NBA

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nba/news/nba-two-way-contracts-explained-draft-player-signings-2022/qiarxtgdcfs4o8ljkm4xi1ne
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We R Final Four

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 29, 2023, 09:49:34 AM
Last offseason, he bagged a transfer who hit on 3 of those 4, so I am not so sure. In fact, that portalee just might return. 😉
Zach returning with a OMax departure would not surprise me.
Even though he is "in the portal", he feels like he hasnt left.
He's not getting a bag of $. He isn't replacing Jop. He's not a banger/aircraft carrier. He wont be asked to shoot midrange jumpers....and if he does he will sit.


Viper

Quote from: We R Final Four on April 29, 2023, 10:02:11 AM
Zach returning with a OMax departure would not surprise me.
Even though he is "in the portal", he feels like he hasnt left.
He's not getting a bag of $. He isn't replacing Jop. He's not a banger/aircraft carrier. He wont be asked to shoot midrange jumpers....and if he does he will sit.
if Zach has health, and can be the player Shaka thought he'd be when he brought him in, maybe not a bad thing. Certainly appeared to be well-liked by the team. Doesn't wear maybelline as far as I can tell. Come on back!
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The Equalizer

Quote from: panda link=topic=64742.msg1548789#msg1548789 date=
I've seen this discussed as a "loophole" in regards to NIL and scholarship numbers but it seems like a bunch of out of touch people yelling at the clouds.

I think it's totally reasonable that at some point, an athlete may use their NIL money to pay tuition - although I don't see it happening often and it will take special circumstances.

What I think is completely absurd about this hypothetical scenario is that theoretically two highly recruited players will be totally happy playing in a walk on role for the team instead of transferring.

Not happening.

Having an NIL deal to pay tuition would appear to be prohibited by the various enabling laws that all prohibit NIL from being contingent on attending a specific school. 

There are ways the collectives can (and do) skirt this, but making a direct tuition payment to a specific school on a player's behalf would clearly make the payment contingent on the player attending that specific school.

There is also the issue of the devaluation of NIL by the cost of tuition.  If he is worth 50K to one program to pay his tuition, he's probably worth that elsewhere as well. So why would he go to a program where his NIL earnings are erased by having to pay tuition?  He would net zero after paying his tuition at one school, but 50K at a program where he's given a scholarship.

Mu8891

So ...

Is there really a chance Wrightsil stays at MU ? ( if OMAX is gone )

Anyone have any insight?

4everwarriors

Ya gotta bedder chance dat Gail sez "yes," hey?
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rocket surgeon

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 29, 2023, 04:25:18 PM
Having an NIL deal to pay tuition would appear to be prohibited by the various enabling laws that all prohibit NIL from being contingent on attending a specific school. 

There are ways the collectives can (and do) skirt this, but making a direct tuition payment to a specific school on a player's behalf would clearly make the payment contingent on the player attending that specific school.

There is also the issue of the devaluation of NIL by the cost of tuition.  If he is worth 50K to one program to pay his tuition, he's probably worth that elsewhere as well. So why would he go to a program where his NIL earnings are erased by having to pay tuition?  He would net zero after paying his tuition at one school, but 50K at a program where he's given a scholarship.

  so a walk-on is getting NIL? or playing at a D2/3?  a $50k NIL athlete typically has a scholly to a D1 program, no?  if he/she/them is a walk-on or lower level D and is worth NIL money, they ain't getting $50k.  if they are, they should be D1 and/or not a walk-on unless the D2/3 really really wants to be there and the school has an ambitious alum or something.  what am i missing?  yes, i know jj watt began his time at UW as a walkon to show em his goods until a scholly opened up and/or he proved his worth
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Tha Hound

Quote from: Mu8891 on April 29, 2023, 05:16:01 PM
So ...

Is there really a chance Wrightsil stays at MU ? ( if OMAX is gone )

Anyone have any insight?

Better question is: would we want him to stay?

The Equalizer

Quote from: rocket surgeon link=topic=64742.msg1548898#msg1548898 date=
  so a walk-on is getting NIL? or playing at a D2/3?  a $50k NIL athlete typically has a scholly to a D1 program, no?  if he/she/them is a walk-on or lower level D and is worth NIL money, they ain't getting $50k.  if they are, they should be D1 and/or not a walk-on unless the D2/3 really really wants to be there and the school has an ambitious alum or something.  what am i missing?  yes, i know jj watt began his time at UW as a walkon to show em his goods until a scholly opened up and/or he proved his worth

The comment wasn't referring to walkons.  It was about players otherwise good enough to earn a scholarship being asked to pay their own way out of their NIL payments, essentially allowing NIL to be used as a tool to skirt scholarship limits.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 30, 2023, 10:23:00 AM
The comment wasn't referring to walkons.  It was about players otherwise good enough to earn a scholarship being asked to pay their own way out of their NIL payments, essentially allowing NIL to be used as a tool to skirt scholarship limits.

  ok, thanks, didn't know some were being asked to pay for this reason.  if i'm scholarship worthy, i'm going where the scholarships are.  if i'm worthy of NIL money and a scholly, i'm going for all of it.  the NIL money is investment money, new car to impress the opposite sex money or beer and pizza money or...
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Hards Alumni

Quote from: Tha Hound on April 30, 2023, 10:19:11 AM
Better question is: would we want him to stay?

Not a ton of minutes available, friendly with the team, well liked.  I don't see why not.

StillAWarrior

Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 01, 2023, 03:59:11 PM
Not a ton of minutes available, friendly with the team, well liked.  I don't see why not.

If it's a choice between banking the scholarship or bringing Wrightsil back, I absolutely hope he's back. I think he contributed a lot to the team last year, even without playing.
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

The G-League Combine announced their invites. O-Max wasn't on it which I think means he is invited to the NBA combine. Awesome for O-Max, but news that moves the forecast towards him staying in the draft.
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Skatastrophy

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 05, 2023, 09:06:25 AM
The G-League Combine announced their invites. O-Max wasn't on it which I think means he is invited to the NBA combine. Awesome for O-Max, but news that moves the forecast towards him staying in the draft.

What a wonderful opportunity for him, that's great!

lawdog77

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 05, 2023, 09:06:25 AM
The G-League Combine announced their invites. O-Max wasn't on it which I think means he is invited to the NBA combine. Awesome for O-Max, but news that moves the forecast towards him staying in the draft.
NBA Combine invitees are starting to trickle out:

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2023-nba-draft-combine-invitation-tracker/

Herman Cain

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 05, 2023, 09:06:25 AM
The G-League Combine announced their invites. O-Max wasn't on it which I think means he is invited to the NBA combine. Awesome for O-Max, but news that moves the forecast towards him staying in the draft.
Full List of G League Combine
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1654515468818849794/photo/1
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MU82

Quote from: Herman Cain on May 05, 2023, 11:51:20 AM
Full List of G League Combine
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1654515468818849794/photo/1

Some pretty good players in there, including Tyger Campbell, Matthew Mayer, Tristan Newton, Markquis Nowell, and, yes, Sam's little bro.
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