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MuggsyB

I expect our league to be even better in 23-24. 

SaveOD238

Marquette and Xavier both beat these guys twice in the regular season.

Big East is a bloodbath that prepares teams to go deep in March. 

MuggsyB

I have to say the fact that UCONN rolled through this tournament was pretty surprising.  I don't think they had a game that was much in doubt. 

jesmu84

#3
UConn went 17-0 in non conference games and won each by double digits.

Margin of victory in the tourney was 20

warriorchick

Quote from: jesmu84 on April 03, 2023, 10:45:21 PM
UConn went 17-0 in non conference games and won each by double digits.

Won 12 of their last 13 games.   I forget; who was their loss against?
Have some patience, FFS.

DFW HOYA

2023-24:

Marquette. UConn. Creighton.
Xavier. Villanova.
St. John's, Georgetown, PC.

It's going to be a ride.

jesmu84

Quote from: warriorchick on April 03, 2023, 10:48:57 PM
Won 12 of their last 13 games.   I forget; who was their loss against?

#hangthebanner

BLWarrior91

Three titles for the "new" Big East in 10 years. 

UConn lost eight times to Big East teams, zero to anyone else.

Next season the league is going to be even better.  Likely three preseason Top 10 teams.

Congrats, UConn.  Let's go, Marquette!


Daniel

Congrats to UConn!   Big East will be very tough next year.   We need to improve on free throws - they Matt a - and get a big bruiser air craft carrier..... 

Let's Go Marquette! 

Lennys Tap

Last team to win all 6 games by double digits in the NCAAs?

Villanova in 2018.

Daniel

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 03, 2023, 11:05:05 PM
Last team to win all 6 games by double digits in the NCAAs?

Villanova in 2018.

Go Big East!   Are we a Power conference now?!

MuggsyB

The "New" BEast has been just fine since its inception.  But the potential of our league moving forward has been kicked up a notch. 

WhiteTrash


WhiteTrash

ESPN showed the list of most titles in the past 25 years.

Big East #1 (tied with ACC)

Big Ten not even on the list.

Spirit Of James

9 titles in the last 24 years for the BEast (asterisk for the Pitino/Louisville vacation)

MuggsyB

Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 03, 2023, 11:24:37 PM
ESPN showed the list of most titles in the past 25 years.

Big East #1 (tied with ACC)

Big Ten not even on the list.

Does the L'Ville (vacated) title count for either the BEast or ACC?

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2023, 11:27:16 PM
Does the L'Ville (vacated) title count for either the BEast or ACC?

Big East. As does Syracuse in 03 and all the non-Kevin Ollie UConn nattys.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


MuggsyB

I think the B12/BEast will be the two best conferences for the next decade. 

Goose

Muggsy

The BE has a great group of coaches and the future is very bright. There is going to be no shortage of excitement next season in the BE season. I do not see anyone winning 17 games next year.

Farley36

Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 03, 2023, 10:39:37 PM
Big East is a bloodbath that prepares teams to go deep in March.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to prepare every team to go deep in March.

Farley36

Quote from: warriorchick on April 03, 2023, 10:48:57 PM
Won 12 of their last 13 games.   I forget; who was their loss against?

The team that has only won 1 tourney game in a decade but let's hang a banner.

Uncle Rico

So much for the Power 6 talk
"Well, we're all going to die."

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

brewcity77

Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2023, 06:35:36 AM
Congratulations, UConn.

It was a great performance by the fourth best team in the Big East.

MU Fan in Connecticut

This ought to help the new TV contract negotiations.

tower912

  UConn did not play their best 2x against MU.   Omax stifled Hawkins at MSG, Sanogo was a turnover machine in Milwaukee.   Both were glorious wins for MU.   And MU's defensive scheme disrupted them, just as MSU did against MU.
   But most of us have known deep in our hearts that UConn's best was better.   There was at least one CBS announcer who had them winning it.    UConn was focused for 6 straight games.   And they didn't play anybody from the Big East.

Congratulations and well earned.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2023, 07:38:06 AM
  UConn did not play their best 2x against MU.   Omax stifled Hawkins at MSG, Sanogo was a turnover machine in Milwaukee.   Both were glorious wins for MU.   And MU's defensive scheme disrupted them, just as MSU did against MU.
   But most of us have known deep in our hearts that UConn's best was better.   There was at least one CBS announcer who had them winning it.    UConn was focused for 6 straight games.   And they didn't play anybody from the Big East.

Congratulations and well earned.

Agree. Your reality check regarding UCONN is spot on.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2023, 07:38:06 AM
  UConn did not play their best 2x against MU.   Omax stifled Hawkins at MSG, Sanogo was a turnover machine in Milwaukee.   Both were glorious wins for MU.   And MU's defensive scheme disrupted them, just as MSU did against MU.
   But most of us have known deep in our hearts that UConn's best was better.   There was at least one CBS announcer who had them winning it.    UConn was focused for 6 straight games.   And they didn't play anybody from the Big East.

Congratulations and well earned.

Agreed.  A good reminder not to write off teams that have a stretch in which they stumble during the course of a season. Double-digit home loss to St. John's?   Scoop would have melted down for months
"Well, we're all going to die."

Frenns Liquor Depot

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 04, 2023, 07:47:18 AM
Agreed.  A good reminder not to write off teams that have a stretch in which they stumble during the course of a season. Double-digit home loss to St. John's?   Scoop would have melted down for months

Good for them on figuring it out.  Also nice to see an 8/9 rotation team with success. 

whitykj

This is the best result for Marquette too.  We are going to be pre-season top 10 if everyone returns and this team needs a chip on their shoulder to excel.  I would imagine watching Uconn win it all makes them sick.

brewcity77

Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2023, 07:38:06 AM
  UConn did not play their best 2x against MU.   Omax stifled Hawkins at MSG, Sanogo was a turnover machine in Milwaukee.   Both were glorious wins for MU.   And MU's defensive scheme disrupted them, just as MSU did against MU.
   But most of us have known deep in our hearts that UConn's best was better.   There was at least one CBS announcer who had them winning it.    UConn was focused for 6 straight games.   And they didn't play anybody from the Big East.

Congratulations and well earned.

UConn wasn't at their best in large part because they were playing us and we were well prepared. UConn was a very tough team on a 2 day scout. But Big East teams showed they were very beatable if you were prepared for them. Had we played them last night, I think it's a one possession game and we very well could've beat them.

I get that everyone focuses on that 2-6 stretch, but it's not like we only beat them in January. We were the better team 3 weeks ago. UConn was excellent, no doubt, but they were also fortunate to not see us (or Creighton, or Xavier, or even Providence) along the way.

Now let's run it back and we can be the ones cutting nets in Glendale next year.

Oldgym


tower912

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 04, 2023, 08:45:54 AM
UConn wasn't at their best in large part because they were playing us and we were well prepared. UConn was a very tough team on a 2 day scout. But Big East teams showed they were very beatable if you were prepared for them. Had we played them last night, I think it's a one possession game and we very well could've beat them.

I get that everyone focuses on that 2-6 stretch, but it's not like we only beat them in January. We were the better team 3 weeks ago. UConn was excellent, no doubt, but they were also fortunate to not see us (or Creighton, or Xavier, or even Providence) along the way.

Now let's run it back and we can be the ones cutting nets in Glendale next year.

Yes, and Uconn whipped MU's nlw in Storrs.   The game that Hurley said convinced him UConn could make a run.   And, yes, MU eked a win out in MSG.  A great win.   And I agree that MU was playing well and was well prepared.   Hence the double teams that forced Sanogo to turn the ball over and OMax locking down Hawkins.

Finally, agreed that a Big East team was the most likely to beat UConn in the dance.  Think Georgetown-Villanova in 85.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Our game against them in the BET felt more like a national championship game then last night did
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


SaveOD238

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 04, 2023, 09:53:54 AM
Our game against them in the BET felt more like a national championship game then last night did

THIS.  That was the most important, biggest game of the season with the most excitement and drama.  Xavier, Vermont, even Michigan St were nothing compared to Saturday at the Garden.

Honestly, Danny Hurley might even agree with you.

NickelDimer

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 04, 2023, 09:53:54 AM
Our game against them in the BET felt more like a national championship game then last night did
And we pulled it off with the deck severely stacked against us. To hell with saying we won that because it wasn't UConn's "best". We took it from them
No Finish Line

Lennys Tap

This is the second time UConn has won the National Championship with an undefeated season outside of the Big East. In 2011 they lost 9 games to other BE teams. This year, 8.

wadesworld

Quote from: NickelDimer on April 04, 2023, 10:22:08 AM
And we pulled it off with the deck severely stacked against us. To hell with saying we won that because it wasn't UConn's "best". We took it from them

Bingo.  Newton and Hawkins had "off" nights in that game.  Look who was guarding those two.  It's no accident that OMax shut down Hawkins twice.  I thought UCONN played a very good game in the BET (not in Milwaukee, though).  I thought MU played a better game, with their 2 best players combining for 16 fewer minutes than their season average due to foul trouble.

Teams let UCONN off the hook by not putting pressure out to half court on their ball handlers and by running a lot of isolation and not making Karaban, Calcaterra, and Sanogo guard the pick and roll and getting their defense into rotation.  Marquette did those things and won 2/3 against them.

MuggsyB

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 04, 2023, 08:45:54 AM
UConn wasn't at their best in large part because they were playing us and we were well prepared. UConn was a very tough team on a 2 day scout. But Big East teams showed they were very beatable if you were prepared for them. Had we played them last night, I think it's a one possession game and we very well could've beat them.

I get that everyone focuses on that 2-6 stretch, but it's not like we only beat them in January. We were the better team 3 weeks ago. UConn was excellent, no doubt, but they were also fortunate to not see us (or Creighton, or Xavier, or even Providence) along the way.

Now let's run it back and we can be the ones cutting nets in Glendale next year.

This is correct.  I also don't see a correlation at all between us stifling UCONN and Mich State doing the same to us. 

MuggsyB

Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2023, 10:26:51 AM
Bingo.  Newton and Hawkins had "off" nights in that game.  Look who was guarding those two.  It's no accident that OMax shut down Hawkins twice.  I thought UCONN played a very good game in the BET (not in Milwaukee, though).  I thought MU played a better game, with their 2 best players combining for 16 fewer minutes than their season average due to foul trouble.

Teams let UCONN off the hook by not putting pressure out to half court on their ball handlers and by running a lot of isolation and not making Karaban, Calcaterra, and Sanogo guard the pick and roll and getting their defense into rotation.  Marquette did those things and won 2/3 against them.

Excellent analysis. 

WhiteTrash

Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2023, 09:20:50 AM
Yes, and Uconn whipped MU's nlw in Storrs.   The game that Hurley said convinced him UConn could make a run.   And, yes, MU eked a win out in MSG.  A great win.   And I agree that MU was playing well and was well prepared.   Hence the double teams that forced Sanogo to turn the ball over and OMax locking down Hawkins.

Finally, agreed that a Big East team was the most likely to beat UConn in the dance.  Think Georgetown-Villanova in 85.
On ESPN College radio (XM) this morning some ex-UNC guy stated "UCONN beat Marquette by 30 to 40 points this year::)

Maybe just 15 points.

tower912

Exactly 15.points.  a whuppin.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

StillAWarrior

Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 04, 2023, 10:10:56 AM
THIS.  That was the most important, biggest game of the season with the most excitement and drama.  Xavier, Vermont, even Michigan St were nothing compared to Saturday Friday at the Garden.

Honestly, Danny Hurley might even agree with you.

Fixed. Saturday was awesome, but it was over almost as soon as it started -- a coronation.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2023, 11:57:23 AM
Exactly 15.points.  a whuppin.
Agreed but in my eyes 15 points and 40 points are materially different. Maybe I'm just different.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 04, 2023, 12:37:49 PM
Agreed but in my eyes 15 points and 40 points are materially different. Maybe I'm just different.

Felt like 40 points for a chunk of the game
"Well, we're all going to die."

Goose

The UConn game might say a 15 point loss, but the game was over early. It did feel like a bigger a loss to me.

CountryRoads

Quote from: Goose on April 04, 2023, 01:12:10 PM
The UConn game might say a 15 point loss, but the game was over early. It did feel like a bigger a loss to me.

MU was down 25 with 10 to go so it was a complete blow out. Ran into a buzz saw. They didn't quit though and I liked their effort in the second half actually.

Spaniel with a Short Tail

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 04, 2023, 09:53:54 AM
Our game against them in the BET felt more like a national championship game then last night did


brewcity77

Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2023, 11:57:23 AM
Exactly 15.points.  a whuppin.

Eh, it was a total outlier. UConn needed their best shooting performance of the season to beat us that night. We went 2-1 against them, finished 4 games up in the round robin, and won the Big East Tourney they professed to care so much about. They're lucky they didn't see us again.

Babybluejeans

NYTimes had a piece today about tourney takeaways, and one focused on how the Big East is thriving without football: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/04/sports/ncaabasketball/march-madness-takeaways.html.

Here's the key part:

Exactly a decade ago, several football-playing schools, including Syracuse and Connecticut, left the Big East Conference for the greener pastures of increased television revenue and the chance to compete in the new four-team College Football Playoff.

The so-called "Catholic 7," a group including Villanova, Georgetown and St. John's, worked to stick together under the banner of the Big East — and got to keep its postseason tournament for men's basketball at Madison Square Garden.

Still, there were massive questions about the future of the league. Would it be able to survive amid the shifting landscape of realignment and without football money?

A decade later, it's hard to imagine things going much better for the Big East. With Connecticut's win Monday night, the conference has won three of the past seven national championships in men's basketball. And dating back to 1999, the league has won eight titles; only the Atlantic Coast Conference has as many during that span. Connecticut's five titles since 1999 are more than any conference during that span except the A.C.C. and Big East.

What's more, the Big East is adding Rick Pitino at St. John's next season, while Ed Cooley shifted to Georgetown from Providence. If they can rebuild those downtrodden yet tradition-rich programs, the Big East will be even more of a force nationally.

"The Big East was the best conference in the country this year," Hurley said to conclude his news conference on Monday night. "We were the most successful in the N.C.A.A. tournament, and we have the national championship. So we were the best league in the country this year. And I don't think that's going to change. With the type of coaches that now have moved around, I don't think we're going anywhere. I know we're not."

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Goose on April 04, 2023, 01:12:10 PM
The UConn game might say a 15 point loss, but the game was over early. It did feel like a bigger a loss to me.
Fair enough, in Scoop 15 = 40.

MarquetteDano

Have to say after dealing with Aztec fans constantly shouting "Big East sucks" when we lost to them in the Wooden Tourney several years ago,  I got special satisfaction that it wasn't even close late.  Other than drawing Alabama,  they got super lucky in their matchups up until the Final Four.

Buh bye Aztec Nation.




MuggsyB

#52
Did anyone else find it odd that some of the Aztecs fans were wearing foam cowboy hats?  I suppose this was because the game was in Texas?  I'm not well versed on the Aztecs but I found it pretty strange. 

Warriors4ever

Thanks for excerpting the NYT article. Kudos to Hurley for waving the Big East flag.
Did notice that the three schools specifically  named when talking about the original split in 2013 were all East Coast ones.....

VegasWarrior77

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

MU Fan in Connecticut

USA Today story



National title validates Connecticut's choice to embrace basketball in Big East at football's expense
Published April 4, 2023
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2023/04/04/connecticut-national-title-validates-big-east-move-basketball/11597562002/

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