2023 Portal Transfers

[jfp61]

More like anal-ytics cuz they don't mean chit.

(i am not saying gold is better that would be dumb)

its fun to read.

He got eaten alive by Kansas, Arkansas, New Mexico, and Oral Roberts 3 times. That's all i was pointing out.
I like it better when my players play we'll against good teams.  Additionally in those games he had lower usage rates than his average. Struggling and not being able to execute against tougher competition is an issue.

Other players MU reached out too Aly Kahlifa, Andrew Rohde, and Tyrese Samuel  they played better than Nelson did against higher level competition.

I'm well aware with "Marquette" or anywhere else Nelson will get set up by his teammates more. And he'll get open shots.
But lets just say he comes to marquette to play the 4 position, lets look to see him shoot it well. Nope, he can't really shoot i well. 27% on 92 attempts last year. 30.9% on 217 attempts for his career.

So basically he can only serve as a like for like sub with oso. If he want's that role, I'll take him in a heartbeat. Otherwise, its a pass. He doesn't make sense with the roster composition. He'll do well at Arkansas, or as Kalama's replacement at Creighton, or in the G league.

[Tyler COLEk]

He also wasn't playing alongside Tyler Kolek, Kam Jones, Stevie Mitchell, and Oso Ighodaro.

I know you and PointWarrior love being the anti-analytics crusaders of the board, but if you took 15 seconds to read about the stat you're dismissing, you'd learn RAPM is designed to control for the performance of a player's on-court teammates and opponents.

https://basketballstat.home.blog/2019/08/14/regularized-adjusted-plus-minus-rapm/

[panda]

It appears as though several high majors didn't perform their due diligence and google search Nelson's rapm.

https://twitter.com/247hshoops/status/1653753736907444227?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A

[Tyler COLEk]

The ignorance of analytics on this board is really something. Nobody thinks stats like RAPM are the end-all, be-all measure of a player's value. They're just tools that might help predict a player's performance a *little bit* better.

Obviously Nelson is a good player that deserves to be sought after by many major programs. But using RAPM we can see at a glance that he didn't play very well against high-end competition last year. You'd probably reach that same conclusion if you watched film from those games. Either way, nobody is saying there's no chance he'll succeed at a higher level. Players are capable of improving, and it's definitely possible some of those (few) weak performances are more outliers than true indications of his value.

[Uncle Rico]

The ignorance of analytics on this board is really something. Nobody thinks stats like RAPM are the end-all, be-all measure of a player's value. They're just tools that might help predict a player's performance a *little bit* better.

Obviously Nelson is a good player that deserves to be sought after by many major programs. But using RAPM we can see at a glance that he didn't play very well against high-end competition last year. You'd probably reach that same conclusion if you watched film from those games. Either way, nobody is saying there's no chance he'll succeed at a higher level. Players are capable of improving, and it's definitely possible some of those (few) weak performances are more outliers than true indications of his value.

Worst performances were against the best teams for him and his team.  None were particularly close save a game at home against Oral Bob.

Will be curious to watch the NBA evaluate him.  Should give us a better idea of what kind of player he is.  Kid like him is worth a second round flyer.  Don't think playing another year at a higher level school helps his status a year from now.  Shooting form being a flaw won't get fixed in a year with college coaches and only hurt his chances of being drafted a year from now.

If he gets a second round commitment, he should stay in the draft

[jfp61]

It appears as though several high majors didn't perform their due diligence and google search Nelson's rapm.

https://twitter.com/247hshoops/status/1653753736907444227?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A

I literally said i expected him to go to GLeague. You missed that part. Him and Oso on the court would be a tiny bit redundant. And it made no sense for the roster to have both of them playing 30 mpg.

I didn't expect MU to get involved. If he plays the 5, he'll be great.

[panda]

I literally said i expected him to go to GLeague. You missed that part. Him and Oso on the court would be a tiny bit redundant. And it made no sense for the roster to have both of them playing 30 mpg.

I didn't expect MU to get involved. If he plays the 5, he'll be great.

Sorry must've missed it. I only saw how you were concerned his rapm would hold him back playing at higher level.

[Pakuni]

Hunter Dickinson's final five. Announcement coming tomorrow.
Georgetown
Nova
Kansas
Kentucky
Maryland

[El Guerrero 2]

Hunter Dickinson's final five. Announcement coming tomorrow.
Georgetown
Nova
Kansas
Kentucky
Maryland

HD at Nova or GTown would make a great anti-hero and be fantastic for the league.

[MU82]

I could live without him playing for a team on Marquette's schedule.

[TallTitan34]

Hunter Dickinson's final five. Announcement coming tomorrow.
Georgetown
Nova
Kansas
Kentucky
Maryland

Kansas

[Uncle Rico]

Kansas

He should thrive there.  Of all the choices, that was the best fit for his skill set

[Jay Bee]

Quite concerning he made a video while driving.

[Tyler COLEk]

Worst performances were against the best teams for him and his team.  None were particularly close save a game at home against Oral Bob.

Will be curious to watch the NBA evaluate him.  Should give us a better idea of what kind of player he is.  Kid like him is worth a second round flyer.  Don't think playing another year at a higher level school helps his status a year from now.  Shooting form being a flaw won't get fixed in a year with college coaches and only hurt his chances of being drafted a year from now.

If he gets a second round commitment, he should stay in the draft

All very fair points. I don't mean to stake the analytics case on this one player, especially when the data sample size is so small. I have no doubt he is a high major player, with some debate on just how impactful he'll be at that level.

[Tha Hound]

It appears as though several high majors didn't perform their due diligence and google search Nelson's rapm.

https://twitter.com/247hshoops/status/1653753736907444227?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A

This guy epitomizes bad faith

[Uncle Rico]

All very fair points. I don't mean to stake the analytics case on this one player, especially when the data sample size is so small. I have no doubt he is a high major player, with some debate on just how impactful he'll be at that level.

My hunch is, the production wanes at a higher level

[jfp61]

All very fair points. I don't mean to stake the analytics case on this one player, especially when the data sample size is so small. I have no doubt he is a high major player, with some debate on just how impactful he'll be at that level.

I don't doubt him that hard. But i do doubt him being a successful fit at Marquette knowing how close he is to the NBA/ GLeague already, and how the fit at MU might have him under 30MPG.

It's gonna be interesting in the next 2+ weeks if we get tied to any transfers or not.

If Omax is coming back we really don't have too, nor would i think the staff would  want to. I think that's a bigger hang up than a lot of people realize. Probably because OMax is higher on boards than others though. OMax was 12th in college basketball in +/-.

[Strokin 3s]

Barring a shocking eval, my money's on him returning.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Was going to post on this last week too. Our Son's Varsity High School teammate 6'8" 240 Rich Byhre a Division 2 All American transferred from Rockhurst University to UWGB and should play major minutes.

[JWags85]

Was going to post on this last week too. Our Son's Varsity High School teammate 6'8" 240 Rich Byhre a Division 2 All American transferred from Rockhurst University to UWGB and should play major minutes.

I really like UWGB's new coach.  Compared to the nepo baby Will Ryan, Wicks coached a TON at the low major/D2 level which is good prep for a place like UWGB.  Did really good work in a short stint as a D2 HC in a tough job.

[The Sultan]

I really like UWGB's new coach.  Compared to the nepo baby Will Ryan, Wicks coached a TON at the low major/D2 level which is good prep for a place like UWGB.  Did really good work in a short stint as a D2 HC in a tough job.

They really needed someone like him. There is zero buzz about the program right now.

[The Equalizer]

St. Johns picked up RJ Luis 6'7" transfer from UMass.  Averaged 11.5 PPG as a frosh.

After a slow start, Pitino has put together a decent roster. 

Iona —> Cruz Davis (Fr PG 6'3 6.5 ppg)

Iona—>Daniss Jenkins (Jr PG 6'3" 15.6 ppg)
Iona —> Quinn Slazinski (Jr PF 6'9 11.3 ppg)
Uconn —> Nahiem Alleyne (Jr SG 6'4 5.2 ppg)

VMI—>Sean Conway (Jr SG 6'5 12.1 ppg)
Umass —>RJ Luis (Fr SG 6'6 11.5 jpg)
Oregon State—>Glenn Taylor (S0 SF 6'6 11.6 ppg)

[panda]

St. Johns picked up RJ Luis 6'7" transfer from UMass.  Averaged 11.5 PPG as a frosh.

After a slow start, Pitino has put together a decent roster. 

Iona —> Cruz Davis (Fr PG 6'3 6.5 ppg)

Iona—>Daniss Jenkins (Jr PG 6'3" 15.6 ppg)
Iona —> Quinn Slazinski (Jr PF 6'9 11.3 ppg)
Uconn —> Nahiem Alleyne (Jr SG 6'4 5.2 ppg)

VMI—>Sean Conway (Jr SG 6'5 12.1 ppg)
Umass —>RJ Luis (Fr SG 6'6 11.5 jpg)
Oregon State—>Glenn Taylor (S0 SF 6'6 11.6 ppg)

Taylor and Luis are both the quintessential pitino types. Long wings who can defend multiple positions and get into passing lanes. Taylor is a really good player. He was far and away the stand out on a terrible osu team.

[Herman Cain]

St. Johns picked up RJ Luis 6'7" transfer from UMass.  Averaged 11.5 PPG as a frosh.

After a slow start, Pitino has put together a decent roster. 

Iona —> Cruz Davis (Fr PG 6'3 6.5 ppg)

Iona—>Daniss Jenkins (Jr PG 6'3" 15.6 ppg)
Iona —> Quinn Slazinski (Jr PF 6'9 11.3 ppg)
Uconn —> Nahiem Alleyne (Jr SG 6'4 5.2 ppg)

VMI—>Sean Conway (Jr SG 6'5 12.1 ppg)
Umass —>RJ Luis (Fr SG 6'6 11.5 jpg)
Oregon State—>Glenn Taylor (S0 SF 6'6 11.6 ppg)

Joel Soriano coming back as a quality big , should fit well with this group

[lawdog77]

Taylor and Luis are both the quintessential pitino types. Long wings who can defend multiple positions and get into passing lanes. Taylor is a really good player. He was far and away the stand out on a terrible osu team.

Jordan Pope would beg to differ