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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: nyg on March 13, 2023, 05:28:20 PM
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Did not see this topic yet, so figured to start one, since players are on the move now. MU probably not looking, but at least this is where posters can put what they hear about players entering the portal and then their destinations.
Jamari Lands, Louisville(former MU offer)
Primo Spears Georgetown
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Primo Spears could turn into a nice player at a better program with good coaching. He's a chucker right now. I don't see him being as in demand as Akinjo was when he fled DC.
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Butler transfers out:
Myles Wilmoth
Myles Tate
Pierce Thomas
Jayden Taylor
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Primo Spears could turn into a nice player at a better program with good coaching. He's a chucker right now. I don't see him being as in demand as Akinjo was when he fled DC.
Yeah there is definitely something there for a team that needs guards.
If he can work on the 3 pt shot get it to a more respectable 33-35%
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Butler transfers out:
Myles Wilmoth
Myles Tate
Pierce Thomas
Jayden Taylor
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2023/03/13/butler-basketball-jayden-taylor-myles-wilmoth-enter-transfer-portal-pierce-thomas-myles-tate/70005079007/
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https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2023/03/13/butler-basketball-jayden-taylor-myles-wilmoth-enter-transfer-portal-pierce-thomas-myles-tate/70005079007/
Greg Oden is now 65 years old
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JJ Starling, Notre Dame. Former Top 20 recruit and had MU offer.
Skyye Clark, Illinois
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https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-Basketball-Transfer-Portal-Updates-News-from-Opening-Day-206344322/#2127132_6
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I'm a bit surprised Skyy Clark is in the portal and visiting schools. He had originally decommitted from Kentucky to go to Illinois, and his brother ZZ also signed with Illinois but then decommitted to sign with Overtime Elite. After Skyy left Illinois midseason, he was practicing at OTE, so I thought the writing was kind of on the wall that he was done with college basketball.
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I'm a bit surprised Skyy Clark is in the portal and visiting schools. He had originally decommitted from Kentucky to go to Illinois, and his brother ZZ also signed with Illinois but then decommitted to sign with Overtime Elite. After Skyy left Illinois midseason, he was practicing at OTE, so I thought the writing was kind of on the wall that he was done with college basketball.
He’s probably seeing what NIL offers are out there
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Greg Oden is now 65 years old
Try 35, you were close
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This is stupid. I don't know what the NCAA was thinking to have the Portal open on the Monday after Selection Sunday. The window should stay closed until the Tuesday after the National Championship. Would there still be some rumors and back door discussions? Sure, but at this point of the season, coaches should be focused on the Tournament, not watching to see who's available for next year. I hate that in the middle of NCAA Tournament discussions, portal stuff is coming up. I'm all in favor of player movement and freedom, but you have a semester to finish and no one will be done with that for 2 months. You have to finish the academic year anyway, keep the goddamn portal closed until we're done enjoying the best month of sports. Seriously, unnatural carnal knowledge the NCAA on this decision. Totally unnatural carnal knowledgeed up.
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This is stupid. I don't know what the NCAA was thinking to have the Portal open on the Monday after Selection Sunday. The window should stay closed until the Tuesday after the National Championship. Would there still be some rumors and back door discussions? Sure, but at this point of the season, coaches should be focused on the Tournament, not watching to see who's available for next year. I hate that in the middle of NCAA Tournament discussions, portal stuff is coming up. I'm all in favor of player movement and freedom, but you have a semester to finish and no one will be done with that for 2 months. You have to finish the academic year anyway, keep the goddamn portal closed until we're done enjoying the best month of sports. Seriously, unnatural carnal knowledge the NCAA on this decision. Totally unnatural carnal knowledgeed up.
Agree. Hope they change it next year. What’s 3 weeks less of transfer portal?
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I suspect the NCAA didn’t want a situation where coaches were free to accept new jobs during the tournament but players were still frozen out. But I agree that it would be better if schools were prohibited from hiring new coaches and recruiting transfers during at least the first two weeks of the tournament.
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Yeah I can see opening it up a week prior to the Final Four even. But one of the other problems is that programs want to have coaches in place ASAP prior to the portal opening. Or ant least shortly after. And at the mid and low major level, those are often high major assistants who are often a little busy these days.
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Primo Spears could turn into a nice player at a better program with good coaching. He's a chucker right now. I don't see him being as in demand as Akinjo was when he fled DC.
Does Spears need to sit a year since he already has one transfer? Or does the coaching change make that moot?
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Agree. Hope they change it next year. What’s 3 weeks less of transfer portal?
That's 21 days.
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Yeah I can see opening it up a week prior to the Final Four even. But one of the other problems is that programs want to have coaches in place ASAP prior to the portal opening. Or ant least shortly after. And at the mid and low major level, those are often high major assistants who are often a little busy these days.
Hearing that Musselmann spent more time on portal recruiting than game prep in March last year is just ridiculous.
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Hearing that Musselmann spent more time on portal recruiting than game prep in March last year is just ridiculous.
Doesn’t seem to have helped much, hopefully he does the same this year and goes down to the Illini.
Can’t imagine Shaka will have to spend a lot of time considering the portal this year, that must feel good for him.
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Doesn’t seem to have helped much, hopefully he does the same this year and goes down to the Illini.
Can’t imagine Shaka will have to spend a lot of time considering the portal this year, that must feel good for him.
Going off memory but didn’t Arkansas beat #1 overall seed Gonzaga and go to the elite 8 last year? I think it worked out fine for them
I imagine the assistants do most of the scouting
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JJ Starling, Notre Dame. Former Top 20 recruit and had MU offer.
Skyye Clark, Illinois
Starlng has already committed to Syracuse - nothing to see here. 👀
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Starlng has already committed to Syracuse - nothing to see here. 👀
Autry, Syracuse's new coach, was the reason given by Starling for choosing Syracuse.
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Ahamad Bynum from DePaul is in the portal
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Autry, Syracuse's new coach, was the reason given by Starling for choosing Syracuse.
I would bet growing up in the suburbs of Syracuse was an even bigger factor.
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I would bet growing up in the suburbs of Syracuse was an even bigger factor.
Well, he said the reason was Autry, but what does he know? He should have checked with you first before making that statement.
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Jordan Riley, Georgetown
Denver Anglin, Georgetown
Dante Bass, Georgetown
(That's four in portal for Georgetown. Along with seniors Wahab and Mozzone, that's six players gone)
Symir Torrance, Syracuse. Is he like in 7th year or something? Seems impossible.
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Symir Torrance, Syracuse. Is he like in 7th year or something? Seems impossible.
Nope only 4 years. 2 at MU 2 at Cuse. Transferring for his COVID year
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Chuck Harris, Butler. That’s five from Butler in portal, along with Bates, Hunter and Thomas using last year, making it eight players gone. Ugly.
Trae Jackson, Seton Hall
Malcolm Wilson, another Georgetown.
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Do you really want your players to return from a horrendous team? Seems like an opportunity for Butler.
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Chuck Harris, Butler. That’s five from Butler in portal, along with Bates, Hunter and Thomas using last year, making it eight players gone. Ugly.
Trae Jackson, Seton Hall
Malcolm Wilson, another Georgetown.
It's not as dire as you make it sound.
Bates has only played 3 full seasons. He can probably get a medical hardship waiver for 2022 when he only appeared in one game. I don't know if the NCAA will give double dips, but he has at least one more year if the NCAA gives him either the COVID year or the medical redshirt, and possibly two more years.
Thomas has appeared in 4 seasons (3 at Georgia State, 1 at Butler), so he still has his COVID year.
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It's not as dire as you make it sound.
Bates has only played 3 full seasons. He can probably get a medical hardship waiver for 2022 when he only appeared in one game. I don't know if the NCAA will give double dips, but he has at least one more year if the NCAA gives him either the COVID year or the medical redshirt, and possibly two more years.
Thomas has appeared in 4 seasons (3 at Georgia State, 1 at Butler), so he still has his COVID year.
Bates is the only player on that roster a good team would consider.
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It's not as dire as you make it sound.
Bates has only played 3 full seasons. He can probably get a medical hardship waiver for 2022 when he only appeared in one game. I don't know if the NCAA will give double dips, but he has at least one more year if the NCAA gives him either the COVID year or the medical redshirt, and possibly two more years.
Thomas has appeared in 4 seasons (3 at Georgia State, 1 at Butler), so he still has his COVID year.
Thanks. From now on, I’ll just post who I found with no comments.
Also just concentrate on Big East players or significant players who had some connection to MU. Too many each day and I believe it is over 300 already, a record for first couple of days.
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Nope only 4 years. 2 at MU 2 at Cuse. Transferring for his COVID year
It will be interesting to see if he's eligible immediately. He's already used his one-time transfer to go from MU to Syracuse. I'm assuming he's going to try to get a waiver as a grad transfer.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Transfer/OneTime_Transfer.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Transfer/OneTime_Transfer.pdf)
Q13: What if the student-athlete transferred previously from another four-year school as an
undergraduate student?
A13: Generally, a student-athlete who has previously transferred from another four-year school
would not be able to use the one-time exception as a postgraduate transfer. However, a
waiver process exists for postgraduate students with a previous transfer history
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I would bet growing up in the suburbs of Syracuse was an even bigger factor.
Since he is from Syracuse, I am assuming he did not want to play for Boeheim.
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It will be interesting to see if he's eligible immediately. He's already used his one-time transfer to go from MU to Syracuse. I'm assuming he's going to try to get a waiver as a grad transfer.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Transfer/OneTime_Transfer.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Transfer/OneTime_Transfer.pdf)
Q13: What if the student-athlete transferred previously from another four-year school as an
undergraduate student?
A13: Generally, a student-athlete who has previously transferred from another four-year school
would not be able to use the one-time exception as a postgraduate transfer. However, a
waiver process exists for postgraduate students with a previous transfer history
I read that as grad transfers (assuming they meet the requirements) are still immediately eligible regardless of them already using a one-time exception transfer
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Jamison Battle, Minnesota
Ta'Lon Cooper, Minnesota
Skyy Clark commits to Louisville
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Jamison Battle, Minnesota
Ta'Lon Cooper, Minnesota
Skyy Clark commits to Louisville
Dawson’s gonna be playing 1 on 5 next year.
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Dawson’s gonna be playing 1 on 5 next year.
Always was.
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Dawson’s gonna be playing 1 on 5 next year.
Dawson is on the four school in four year track too. Minnesota is a graveyard
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Dawson Garcia to St Thomas?
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Dawson is on the four school in four year track too. Minnesota is a graveyard
I’m starting to feel bad for the kid. Yes he left, but this wasn’t a Joey situation.
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Since he is from Syracuse, I am assuming he did not want to play for Boeheim.
That’s sort of what I meant. Cuse kid wanted to play at home but didn’t want to play for Boeheim. Now he can.
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Jaden Henley, Minnesota enters portal and immediately commits to Depaul.
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I suspect the NCAA didn’t want a situation where coaches were free to accept new jobs during the tournament but players were still frozen out. But I agree that it would be better if schools were prohibited from hiring new coaches and recruiting transfers during at least the first two weeks of the tournament.
That makes sense for teams that are still playing. For the ones that are already waiting for next year, looking for a coach now makes sense. If that coach is from somewhere that is not in the tournament or is outside college basketball or something, they are not interfering with anything. If the team is still in the tournament, there is probably back channel conversation going on anyway and they can be out the door the day after their team is eliminated, as we all know.
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1637927015583039488?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
This one is going to Madison
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1637927015583039488?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
This one is going to Madison
Yeah, you’re probably right. I couldn’t find this thread initially, and just posted on the recruiting thread that I don’t think he’d get enough shots at MU for his liking, but if he wanted to talk, I’d at least listen.
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Nobel Days, Tulane (former MU target from Milwaukee)
Jared Bynum, Providence
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Whats Bryce Hopkins up to
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1637927015583039488?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
This one is going to Madison
Not necessarily. Wanted a mid to smaller school last year.
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Whats Bryce Hopkins up to
Sitting out a year.
Though I guess a change in coach would be the exception to the rule?
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Not necessarily. Wanted a mid to smaller school last year.
Minnesota media seems pretty confident about Madison being the destination
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If he is going to Madtown, does that mean Essigian is leaving?
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1637927015583039488?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
This one is going to Madison
Could be. He flirted with a preferred walk-on here, even after he had his scholarship offer. Guessing he moves up, not sure it's all the way to a high major.
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Wouldnt rule out Shaka getting Rohde if we have room. Not a UW lock.
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Andrew is a high character guy, dad was a place kicker for uw, brother mu soccer, sister northwestern basketball. Great family. My guess badger lean but if mu loses a person could be a logical recruit.
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Andrew is a high character guy, dad was a place kicker for uw, brother mu soccer, sister northwestern basketball. Great family. My guess badger lean but if mu loses a person could be a logical recruit.
He and Joplin are tight so you never know
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Curious to hear from those who have watched him play. Just looking at the numbers I don't know if I see a fit.
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Andrew is a high character guy, dad was a place kicker for uw, brother mu soccer, sister northwestern basketball. Great family. My guess badger lean but if mu loses a person could be a logical recruit.
Yep. Only thing i'll say is he wanted a smaller/mid sized school the first time around.
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Eddie Lamkin, TCU, 6ft 11, 280lbs center, commits to Georgetown.
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Wyoming star big man Graham Ike has entered the transfer portal, per source. Missed this past season with an injury, averaged 19.5 points and 9.6 rebounds in 2021-22.
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1638216980355227658?s=20
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Is it a good sign that no MU player has entered the transfer portal yet? Or would we expect those decisions to take more time anyway?
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TwoWords
It is a crazy time, and I was wondering the same thing. Almost wonder if guys chose to announce they are not leaving as well. It really is recruiting these for another year. I would hope any decisions will be made in short order, but that might be wishful thinking.
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Eddie Lamkin, TCU, 6ft 11, 280lbs center, commits to Georgetown.
This still isn't official, per Lampkin himself. I fully expect it to happen, but they probably want to give some distance from the initial announcement to try to make it less obvious that there was tampering going on and that Cooley was recruiting him to Georgetown while still on the Providence payroll.
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Is it a good sign that no MU player has entered the transfer portal yet? Or would we expect those decisions to take more time anyway?
Well, we know at least one player has to leave. My guess is the coaches gave the players a day or two to decompress from the loss. Then conduct end of year meetings with the players this week. Maybe some news Friday or Monday.
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This still isn't official, per Lampkin himself. I fully expect it to happen, but they probably want to give some distance from the initial announcement to try to make it less obvious that there was tampering going on and that Cooley was recruiting him to Georgetown while still on the Providence payroll.
Someone put out a twitter post with him in a Georgetown uniform announcing his commitment.
Probably told that was not the time and retracted it for some reason, maybe what you stated.
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TwoWords
It is a crazy time, and I was wondering the same thing. Almost wonder if guys chose to announce they are not leaving as well. It really is recruiting these for another year. I would hope any decisions will be made in short order, but that might be wishful thinking.
That’s a good point about potential “I’m staying” announcements. Everyone knew Justin Lewis had a decision to make after last season, so we always expected an announcement one way or the other. That isn’t really the case for anyone this offseason. We don’t even have any seniors eligible to return.
I could see someone like Tyler Kolek getting asked in a week or two and responding with something like “wtf are you talking about, of course I’m returning.”
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TwoWords
It would be great to have a team announcement with the guys coming back. That would excite the MU fans.
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Well, we know at least one player has to leave. My guess is the coaches gave the players a day or two to decompress from the loss. Then conduct end of year meetings with the players this week. Maybe some news Friday or Monday.
That seems like a reasonable timeline.
TwoWords
It would be great to have a team announcement with the guys coming back. That would excite the MU fans.
That would be something!
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Gonna be a bit before everything shakes out.
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TwoWords
It would be great to have a team announcement with the guys coming back. That would excite the MU fans.
I expect everyone to have an "I'm Staying Home" Lebron-style announcement. (I kid)
I do hope we hear something at least to help from my neurosis perspective
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I expect everyone to have an "I'm Staying Home" Lebron-style announcement. (I kid)
I do hope we hear something at least to help from my neurosis perspective
"I'm taking my talents to Summer Fest!" :D
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"I'm taking my talents to Summer Fest!" :D
This is a great idea.
Have an ad with all the guys at a Henry Maier festival grounds picnic table with a Marquette banner covering a bunch of full plates of food and beer cans…. then have Shaka pull the banner off while the guys start chowing down and toasting each other. In unison the guys yell “we’re taking our talents to Summerfest!” Followed by “and all staying to run it back at Marquette!” Then a team leader shuts the celebration down and the guys get to work training for the upcoming season.
The profits from the Ad go to BeTheDiff NIL.
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Not a transfer but Armando Bacot is coming back for a 5th year at North Carolina.
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Not a transfer but Armando Bacot is coming back for a 5th year at North Carolina.
Is he getting another acting role in Season 4 of Outer Banks? Wonder how much he made for Season 3.
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Not a transfer but Armando Bacot is coming back for a 5th year at North Carolina.
Probably makes sense - he’s not gonna play in the NBA, so why not come back and get some NIL money?
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College kids who will not play in the NBA will do better staying in school. Use school to better themselves and get lots of money from NLI, Kolek might be an example.
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BC
Agree completely. Non NBA impact players will benefit a great deal by staying in college.
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College kids who will not play in the NBA will do better staying in school. Use school to better themselves and get lots of money from NLI, Kolek might be an example.
I think Goose's addendum of "non-Impact" player is a good one. If you're not a first round pick or near guarantee second rounder (aka top 15 picks of the 2nd) NLI changes the calculus of it. You can make good money being a star in college which may level out the year of seasoning/growth you get as a full time professional player at a lower level.
Ive been vocal about Kolek being an NBA player. But, he's not a first round pick and won't be regardless of when he leaves, but guys he compares favorably to it doesn't matter if he's entering the Summer League/undrafted ranks at 22 this year or 23 next year. Being a preseason AA pick is worth more in absolute dollars with NLI than being in the G-League or Europe for a year, especially since he's shown he can progress immensely in his current situation.
My new fav comp for him is Goran Dragic, who entered the NBA around the same time a college senior would.
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Kerr Kriisa from AZ has entered the portal.
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Well, we know at least one player has to leave. My guess is the coaches gave the players a day or two to decompress from the loss. Then conduct end of year meetings with the players this week. Maybe some news Friday or Monday.
Supposedly Shaka knew who was leaving when he accepted a 14th commitment. If that was the case, I'm not sure why you'd delay. It's unfair to that person not to have him in the portal as soon as possible, as every day he waits, spots are filling up at potential destination programs.
I suspect there are other issues at play, and the one designated for transfer is waiting to see what shakes out. He may have planned to leave but has been asked to hold off as there may be a scholarship for him after all.
The other issue at play is a potential medical hardship waiver for Wrightsil to get another year of eligiblity. He meets the criteria--only played in 3 games, well under the 30% limit, and all were before the 50% of the season. He may well decide that he's done with college ball, but he stuck with MU all season and seemed highly engaged with the team. If he wants to play next year, it's either going to be at MU or he has to put his name in the portal.
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Kerr Kriisa from AZ has entered the portal.
Sounds like he may be headed to Xavier.
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Sounds like he may be headed to Xavier.
That’d be a hell of a pickup for Miller.
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Kerr Kriisa from AZ has entered the portal.
Hard pass.
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Supposedly Shaka knew who was leaving when he accepted a 14th commitment. If that was the case, I'm not sure why you'd delay. It's unfair to that person not to have him in the portal as soon as possible, as every day he waits, spots are filling up at potential destination programs.
I suspect there are other issues at play, and the one designated for transfer is waiting to see what shakes out. He may have planned to leave but has been asked to hold off as there may be a scholarship for him after all.
The other issue at play is a potential medical hardship waiver for Wrightsil to get another year of eligiblity. He meets the criteria--only played in 3 games, well under the 30% limit, and all were before the 50% of the season. He may well decide that he's done with college ball, but he stuck with MU all season and seemed highly engaged with the team. If he wants to play next year, it's either going to be at MU or he has to put his name in the portal.
Unless the player leaving isn’t planning on going to another college.
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Supposedly Shaka knew who was leaving when he accepted a 14th commitment.
I don't think this theory has ever been proven. With so many players transferring or turning pro these days, oversigning just seems prudent. Prepare for the unknown; be proactive instead of reactive.
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Supposedly Shaka knew who was leaving when he accepted a 14th commitment. If that was the case, I'm not sure why you'd delay. It's unfair to that person not to have him in the portal as soon as possible, as every day he waits, spots are filling up at potential destination programs.
I suspect there are other issues at play, and the one designated for transfer is waiting to see what shakes out. He may have planned to leave but has been asked to hold off as there may be a scholarship for him after all.
The other issue at play is a potential medical hardship waiver for Wrightsil to get another year of eligiblity. He meets the criteria--only played in 3 games, well under the 30% limit, and all were before the 50% of the season. He may well decide that he's done with college ball, but he stuck with MU all season and seemed highly engaged with the team. If he wants to play next year, it's either going to be at MU or he has to put his name in the portal.
If only there was a forward on our team who was on the back end of NBA draft boards all season.
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Unless the player leaving isn’t planning on going to another college.
You've been hinting at an Omax departure for some time?
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You've been hinting at an Omax departure for some time?
I have no information on who is leaving.
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You've been hinting at an Omax departure for some time?
Sure.. it’s the most likely outcome.
He is on a student visa NIL is difficult to figure out. We’re over recruited by one. He was the only player on our roster that was considered “draftable” both before the season and today.
If he stays great, but it’s naive to think a specific scenario other than this is the most likely outcome.
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IMO, I really hope Omax returns for next season. I think he is a very difficult guy to replace, due to skillset on both sides of the court, size and age. If he returns, I would expect bigger upside improvement next year over what we saw this year. That is based off my thoughts is he is multi skilled guy and would expect if he watched enough film of himself he would fine tune the weak spots in his game.
Again, I think if MU is going to take another step forward he was one the guys I think needs to return. If not, a high energy, one year portal guy would be needed. No Omax and just the guys currently on the roster does not look as dangerous to me.
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IMO, I really hope Omax returns for next season. I think he is a very difficult guy to replace, due to skillset on both sides of the court, size and age. If he returns, I would expect bigger upside improvement next year over what we saw this year. That is based off my thoughts is he is multi skilled guy and would expect if he watched enough film of himself he would fine tune the weak spots in his game.
Again, I think if MU is going to take another step forward he was one the guys I think needs to return. If not, a high energy, one year portal guy would be needed. No Omax and just the guys currently on the roster does not look as dangerous to me.
Omax's size and energy level especially on defense are pretty much unparalleled. Also on the offensive glass at times. Would be a big loss if he left and as Goose says he's a guy that could take a big step if he could clean up a couple things in his game and work on some of the balance issues he's dealt with at times. Hope he hangs around for sure.
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His versatility on the defensive end would be very hard to replace in this current system. Chase and Jop would help mitigate the offensive impact assuming they progress.
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IMO, I really hope Omax returns for next season. I think he is a very difficult guy to replace, due to skillset on both sides of the court, size and age. If he returns, I would expect bigger upside improvement next year over what we saw this year. That is based off my thoughts is he is multi skilled guy and would expect if he watched enough film of himself he would fine tune the weak spots in his game.
Again, I think if MU is going to take another step forward he was one the guys I think needs to return. If not, a high energy, one year portal guy would be needed. No Omax and just the guys currently on the roster does not look as dangerous to me.
Yep, you need that long athletic wing to play D, make threes and get to the hoop and finish. Joplin is a below the rim player that cannot do what Omax does. Tip in rebounds, finishing with either hand at the rim, defending the best player on the other team with his length and athleticism and shooting threes (will need to get better at this but does this sufficiently wel now). This would be a big hole in the starting lineup for next year.
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OMax may leave, but I hope he realizes he isn't playing in the NBA if he does. Good player, good size. May eventually play a little in the NBA, but he certainly wont next season.
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If Oso or OMax were to not return Shaka would hit the transfer portal.
In the backcourt, if TyKo or Kam were to not return I could see Shaka making a push in the portal.
Otherwise, any involvement is likely just a contingency plan or depth big.
For next seasons squad the most irreplaceable player as the roster currently stands is Osasere.
That says a lot about the combination of his value and lack of depth/experience behind him, especially when he’s got the BEPoY on his team.
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Eli King, Iowa State, former MU offer.
Rafael Pinzone, St. John’s
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I hope OMax returns. He was a player who was clearly getting better when it mattered most. I think he could be excellent next year.
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I hope OMax returns. He was a player who was clearly getting better when it mattered most. I think he could be excellent next year.
If Omax's body could keep up with his brain, he'd be drafted this year.
Kid is a baller for sure, but needs to work most on his body control.
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Per The Athletic's NBA Draft Board, Oso is #60, OMax is #62.
At ESPN, Kolek is #60, OMax is #72, Oso is unranked.
None are in Bleacher Report's top 50 or CBS Sports' top 55.
One never knows, and I hope all three at least get evaluated, but there's little to indicate right now that any of them should count on being drafted this year.
Among the three, I suspect Oso would be the mostly likely to have a shot, especially if he could prove in workouts he has more range than we've seen.
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Sorry guys, but I don't start many threads. Muggs probably starts more in one week, than I have ever over the years.
Started this for players who entered portals and subsequent commitments. Then, a takeover for NBA possibilities took over.
If you recall, there is a thread for MU Players to the Association, please go at it there. Thanks in advance.
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Sorry guys, but I don't start many threads. Muggs probably starts more in one week, than I have ever over the years.
Started this for players who entered portals and subsequent commitments. Then, a takeover for NBA possibilities took over.
If you recall, there is a thread for MU Players to the Association, please go at it there. Thanks in advance.
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Sorry, but I asked politely. Are you being some sort of jerk?
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Making a macro observation about the nature of scoop, I think.
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Making a macro observation about the nature of scoop, I think.
I guess, but you can never win at this place. Thanks.
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I guess, but you can never win at this place. Thanks.
COLE (nyg I’m just kidding)
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I guess, but you can never win at this place. Thanks.
Keep fighting the good fight.
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Sorry, but I asked politely. Are you being some sort of jerk?
I could have put Don Quixote fighting windmills, but basically just saying good luck trying to keep a thread on topic.
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Did you guys see that world baseball classic ?
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I could have put Don Quixote fighting windmills, but basically just saying good luck trying to keep a thread on topic.
Got it, guess abit my bad. Thanks. Just trying to give some updates on the pertinent portal issue.
Back to business.
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nyg
Have you seen many guys commit to new schools yet?
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Got it, guess abit my bad. Thanks. Just trying to give some updates on the pertinent portal issue.
Back to business.
The pro prospects of current MU players seems pretty pertinent to whether Shaka and staff will/should be active in the portal.
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Dawson Garcia to St Thomas?
The pull of the Big East must be strong.
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The pro prospects of current MU players seems pretty pertinent to whether Shaka and staff will/should be active in the portal.
Thanks. As I asked in opening, let's start of a list players who have actually entered the portal and where is their next destination.
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nyg
Have you seen many guys commit to new schools yet?
Have not and I have been reviewing daily. New coaches, just ended season, etc. it should start soon. Like someone else stated, you want to get in early before others, put yourself out there. Two month process.
Just Clark and Starling as former high rated guys and no BE connection.
The Kriisa player from Arizona I guess is a lock to Xavier, to play for his former coach.
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Thanks. As I asked in opening, let's start of a list players who have actually entered the portal and where is their next destination.
There's nothing stopping you.
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There's nothing stopping you.
Well, and lists exists (don't know if this is the best one). Interesting that they assign NIL value...
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/2023/
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The NIL values are quite funny. If that was the going rate, no worries on losing players.
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Well, and lists exists (don't know if this is the best one). Interesting that they assign NIL value...
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/2023/
That's a pretty good site amongst others. Since you posted the link, going forward I will just let future readers in this thread, click on the site, and review on their own to observe the transfers in, commitments and any Big East/MU ties. Saves me some time.
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The NIL values are quite funny. If that was the going rate, no worries on losing players.
3 of the 11 that are committed are listed as $100k+
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O'Mar Stanley in the portal from St. John's.
I'd take him just to have an O'Mar, OMax, and Oso.
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rocky
Those are hardly numbers to worry about, if they are true. IMO, the real numbers are much bigger for the top guys and generally higher for anyone else. Guys were making that kind of money pre NIL and having a hard time believing the reported NIL money.
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The whole Providence team including all the coaches.
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O'Mar Stanley in the portal from St. John's.
I'd take him just to have an O'Mar, OMax, and Oso.
Oso will have to start going by O'So. And we're bringing back O'Tule for a 7th year.
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Oso will have to start going by O'So. And we're bringing back O'Tule for a 7th year.
Might as well see what Ousmane is up to just for chits and giggles then.
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O. Lee
Odell Ball
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Not a transfer but Armando Bacot is coming back for a 5th year at North Carolina.
Add RJ Davis to this list as well.
Returning to UNC for an additional season.
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Kerr Kriisa from AZ has entered the portal.
Looks like he was Creaned:
Kerr Kriisa transfers out of Arizona, which is definitely good for the U of A (https://sports.yahoo.com/kerr-kriisa-transfers-arizona-definitely-195930989.html)
We can pretty clearly say that Kerr Kriisa’s entry into the transfer portal — leaving the Arizona Wildcats — was a coach-encouraged transfer. Kriisa loved wearing the Arizona uniform. He was a pot-stirrer who brought energy and personality to the Wildcats. He enjoyed irritating opponents and expressing his emotions on the court. He was having a grand old time in Tucson.
Kriisa’s departure is an obvious product of coach Tommy Lloyd having a frank conversation and declaring an intent to upgrade the Arizona backcourt for next season. Arizona’s guards clearly lacked the dominant, all-court skill of Bennedict Mathurin, who helped the Cats earn a No. 1 seed at the 2022 NCAA Tournament. Arizona’s guards were unable to do much of anything in the final eight minutes of a supreme implosion against 15th-seeded Princeton in this year’s edition of March Madness.
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Add RJ Davis to this list as well.
Returning to UNC for an additional season.
I am pretty sure his NLI is bigger then playing in the G league. But are the alumni happy throwing money around on a team that sucked this year!
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Add RJ Davis to this list as well.
Returning to UNC for an additional season.
Armando Bacot's mom was quoted that Armando made over 500K in NIL this past year.
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Armando Bacot's mom was quoted that Armando made over 500K in NIL this past year.
That amount is the whole budget for MU this year!
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Armando Bacot's mom was quoted that Armando made over 500K in NIL this past year.
Curious what this means for coaches going forward? Another dud season and Hubert Davis is gowne. NIL collectives paying that kind of change for players want results.
While it’s great to have this as a coach, it’s also a bit more pressure to perform. Interesting dichotomy.
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That's a lot of bread to toss around to not even make the NIT.
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NC would have been in the NIT but they took their ball and went home.
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NC would have been in the NIT but they took their ball and went home.
As a non-UNC fan, I love they're going to run it back next year with the same crew.
(actually not a fan nor a hater)
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Yeah, not often do you return the core of an FF team for the two following seasons. As Rico said, Hubert Davis won't have any excuses for another flameout.
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Yeah, not often do you return the core of an FF team for the two following seasons. As Rico said, Hubert Davis won't have any excuses for another flameout.
I'm not saying that they will flame out, but if they do, I can assure you that Hubert Davis will have excuses. They'll be bullsh*t, but he'll have some.
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I'm not saying that they will flame out, but if they do, I can assure you that Hubert Davis will have excuses. They'll be bullsh*t, but he'll have some.
Izzo has excuses. Lucky shots, refs, playing in the nation’s toughest conference, cell phones, social media, video games, short skirts
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We can pretty clearly say that Kerr Kriisa’s entry into the transfer portal — leaving the Arizona Wildcats — was a coach-encouraged transfer. Kriisa loved wearing the Arizona uniform. He was a pot-stirrer who brought energy and personality to the Wildcats. He enjoyed irritating opponents and expressing his emotions on the court. He was having a grand old time in Tucson.
Kriisa’s departure is an obvious product of coach Tommy Lloyd having a frank conversation and declaring an intent to upgrade the Arizona backcourt for next season.
This is an interesting conclusion considering Lloyd gave Kriisa more minutes than any other player on the team.
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Probably an unpopular take, but if I were OMax and Oso, I would declare for the draft and not hire an agent,
I don’t think either probably gets drafted (either guy right now is late 2nd round at best), but I think there is a lot of value in getting NBA feedback on what they individually need to work on.
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Why would that be an unpopular take? Completely logical.
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Why would that be an unpopular take? Completely logical.
Come on. This is 'Scoop...you answered your own question.
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Probably an unpopular take, but if I were OMax and Oso, I would declare for the draft and not hire an agent,
I don’t think either probably gets drafted (either guy right now is late 2nd round at best), but I think there is a lot of value in getting NBA feedback on what they individually need to work on.
Hell, I’d argue the whole starting lineup minus Stevie should declare this year. Tyler and Kam included.
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Hell, I’d argue the whole starting lineup minus Stevie should declare this year. Tyler and Kam included.
Tyler makes sense. Kam doesn't unless he's sure he doesn't want to play 4 years.
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Armando Bacot's mom was quoted that Armando made over 500K in NIL this past year.
This is what is awesome about NIL. He very likely will make in NIL this year and next then he does the first 5+ years of his pro career. I don't see him making that high level Euroleague coin
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Probably an unpopular take, but if I were OMax and Oso, I would declare for the draft and not hire an agent,
I don’t think either probably gets drafted (either guy right now is late 2nd round at best), but I think there is a lot of value in getting NBA feedback on what they individually need to work on.
It’s a pragmatic take.
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I selfishly do not want them to go through the draft process. Get some bad info…….declare and it’s a lose lose.
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Including walkons, there are over 5,000 D1 players. Every single one should declare and get feedback. Whats the downside? Where would they draw the line?
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And why not?
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Could the NLI money ruined the NC team this year? It could have!
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Including walkons, there are over 5,000 D1 players. Every single one should declare and get feedback. Whats the downside? Where would they draw the line?
Not sure if its still the rule, but the rule was you can only do that once. If you declared a second time, you lose eligibility. I think it is called the Luke Trainer Clark rule.
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Could the NLI money ruined the NC team this year? It could have!
Miami has entered the chat.
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Miami has entered the chat.
Yep. Statistcally, Nijel Packs numbers are down, but during the tourney he is averaging 20 a game, and was huge agains Houston. Money well spent.
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Not sure if its still the rule, but the rule was you can only do that once. If you declared a second time, you lose eligibility. I think it is called the Luke Trainer Clark rule.
Thanks, that would make sense to that dumb scenario.
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Including walkons, there are over 5,000 D1 players. Every single one should declare and get feedback. Whats the downside? Where would they draw the line?
Players aren't idiots.
Ay least 4500 or more of them know they have a 0% chance at the NBA so feedback means nothing to them.
Furthermore the NBA wouldn't even respond to most.
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Yeah. I think I could tell Oso and OMax the feedback they’d get. Develop a consistent (or just any, in Oso’s case) jumper and then you’ll have a chance.
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Some of the other most notable players not listed already to enter the portal so far IMO:
- Jaemyn Brakefield (Mississippi)
- Taran Armstrong (Cal Baptist)
- Adama Bal (Arizona)
- Elijah Fisher (Texas Tech)
- Devin Ree (Louisville)
- Puff Johnson (UNC)
- Tyler Nickell (UNC)
One I’m keeping my eye on is Marcus Domask from Southern Illinois (Waupun, WI native) has been the best player on SIU for 4 years now and might grad transfer to a P6 school for his 5th year. Believe he was SIU’s leader in points, rebounds, assists and blocks this year. SIU Lost in MVC semi finals to Drake who’s gameplan of doubling Domask whenever he got the ball worked. Might just stay at SIU or start his pro career though.
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Mwc freshman of the year darrion Williams hits the portal. He’s going to be a star. The big guns will be after him
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Some of the other most notable players not listed already to enter the portal so far IMO:
- Jaemyn Brakefield (Mississippi)
- Taran Armstrong (Cal Baptist)
- Adama Bal (Arizona)
- Elijah Fisher (Texas Tech)
- Devin Ree (Louisville)
- Puff Johnson (UNC)
- Tyler Nickell (UNC)
One I’m keeping my eye on is Marcus Domask from Southern Illinois (Waupun, WI native) has been the best player on SIU for 4 years now and might grad transfer to a P6 school for his 5th year. Believe he was SIU’s leader in points, rebounds, assists and blocks this year. SIU Lost in MVC semi finals to Drake who’s gameplan of doubling Domask whenever he got the ball worked. Might just stay at SIU or start his pro career though.
Brakefield went to school in Menasha, WI for a brief period of time.
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Yeah. I think I could tell Oso and OMax the feedback they’d get. Develop a consistent (or just any, in Oso’s case) jumper and then you’ll have a chance.
100%. With that push shot, not sure the pros go for it. Develop a 12-15’ jumper…now Oso gets the Associations attention. Imo, of course.
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Brandon Murray, Georgetown
Justyn Fernandez, George Mason commits to Providence.
Issac Truadt, 6ft 10, Virginia. He was a top 50 recruit from Nebraska, who MU offered in 2022. Redshirted, hello Creighton?
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Brandon Murray, Georgetown
Justyn Fernandez, George Mason commits to Providence.
Issac Truadt, 6ft 10, Virginia. He was a top 50 recruit from Nebraska, who MU offered in 2022. Redshirted, hello Creighton?
Once you've finally escaped Nebraska, you never want to go back.
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Issac Truadt, 6ft 10, Virginia. He was a top 50 recruit from Nebraska, who MU offered in 2022. Redshirted, hello Creighton?
I’m sure Nebraska will go after him. Creighton will be interesting depending on who leaves. I thought Scheyerman would be gone, but now he’s saying he’s not sure yet.
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Once you've finally escaped Nebraska, you never want to go back.
.... and Iowa, Kansas, ND, SD, ......
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100%. With that push shot, not sure the pros go for it. Develop a 12-15’ jumper…now Oso gets the Associations attention. Imo, of course.
Agreed....no matter how good his passing, ball-handling, and basketball IQ is, I can't see todays NBA being very excited about a 6'9 guy who has no shooting ability outside of 6-8 feet from the basket (unless he's 7'0+ or a big time rebounder/shot blocker...which also isn't really Oso's game)
If he can even develop a reliable foul-line jumper, that improves his stock greatly. Some NBA teams will see a reliable 15-18 ft jumper and project that he could learn to shoot it effectively out to 3-point range too eventually.
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John Tonje, Colorado State to Mizzou. Omaha Central High School. Creighton didn't offer him out of high school, but they did try for him once he hit the portal.
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Agreed....no matter how good his passing, ball-handling, and basketball IQ is, I can't see todays NBA being very excited about a 6'9 guy who has no shooting ability outside of 6-8 feet from the basket (unless he's 7'0+ or a big time rebounder/shot blocker...which also isn't really Oso's game)
If he can even develop a reliable foul-line jumper, that improves his stock greatly. Some NBA teams will see a reliable 15-18 ft jumper and project that he could learn to shoot it effectively out to 3-point range too eventually.
People who are paid to scout and evaluate NBA prospects without bias are high on his prospects and repeatedly speak glowingly about his abilities and potential as an NBA prospect, but fans of his own college team are bearish on his NBA, got it. Tough crowd.
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Over a week and no portal action from our guys has to be a good sign. That said, we pretty much know Wrightsil + another guy need to enter it, so maybe they're just waiting longer for dust to settle.
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Over a week and no portal action from our guys has to be a good sign. That said, we pretty much know Wrightsil + another guy need to enter it, so maybe they're just waiting longer for dust to settle.
On the Dodds board, True Golden Eagles said coach & player meetings will be taking place this week.
TGE usually has reliable info. Expect news to come out after these meetings wrap up.
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Agreed....no matter how good his passing, ball-handling, and basketball IQ is, I can't see todays NBA being very excited about a 6'9 guy who has no shooting ability outside of 6-8 feet from the basket (unless he's 7'0+ or a big time rebounder/shot blocker...which also isn't really Oso's game)
If he can even develop a reliable foul-line jumper, that improves his stock greatly. Some NBA teams will see a reliable 15-18 ft jumper and project that he could learn to shoot it effectively out to 3-point range too eventually.
Oso is not shooting 15’ jumper in the MU offense. In fact, MU doesn’t want anyone shooting 15’ jumpers.
Oso may develop that ……..but he won’t be shooting it while Nevada Smith is in charge of the MU offense.
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People who are paid to scout and evaluate NBA prospects without bias are high on his prospects and repeatedly speak glowingly about his abilities and potential as an NBA prospect, but fans of his own college team are bearish on his NBA, got it. Tough crowd.
…no doubt nba ‘people’ like him. I think Oso is a fantastic player. But I’m sure they’d also say develop some range with a J.
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Most 6'9 players in the NBA are wings with 3 pt range.
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One I’m keeping my eye on is Marcus Domask from Southern Illinois (Waupun, WI native) has been the best player on SIU for 4 years now and might grad transfer to a P6 school for his 5th year. Believe he was SIU’s leader in points, rebounds, assists and blocks this year. SIU Lost in MVC semi finals to Drake who’s gameplan of doubling Domask whenever he got the ball worked. Might just stay at SIU or start his pro career though.
The team he originally committed to made the tourney this year… but he didn’t stay for former MU asst Darrin Horn :(((
I’ve been a fan of Domask since seeing him in like a 15u game in Vegas… I went to scout Nobal Days, but came out seeing Marcus as the much better player at that point. Days 2 Portal, btw
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Marquette has been basically non existent in the mentions of transfer names.
Is that telling? Or still too early?
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Caleb Love enters the Transfer Portal and will leave UNC. Pretty easily the biggest name in the portal. Not sure that he's the best player but easily "biggest name".
Kansas
Kentucky
UConn
UCLA
those are the schools he'll be attracting.
Maybe keep an eye on Missouri too since they had success and he is from there.
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IG update!
Emarion has changed his IG profile picture to Macaulay Culkin when he was in Home Alone.
Everything kids post these days has meaning. Everything.
This leads me to believe he’ll be the only returning player at MU. We know Jop and Oso were already chasing that bag. Now it appears Emarion has been left home alone.
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Once you've finally escaped Nebraska, you never want to go back.
TRUTH
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IG update!
Emarion has changed his IG profile picture to Macaulay Culkin when he was in Home Alone.
Everything kids post these days has meaning. Everything.
This leads me to believe he’ll be the only returning player at MU. We know Jop and Oso were already chasing that bag. Now it appears Emarion has been left home alone.
He gowne. Hopefully we’ll get a banging big swift aircraft carrier
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Caleb Love enters the Transfer Portal and will leave UNC. Pretty easily the biggest name in the portal. Not sure that he's the best player but easily "biggest name".
Kansas
Kentucky
UConn
UCLA
those are the schools he'll be attracting.
Maybe keep an eye on Missouri too since they had success and he is from there.
https://twitter.com/caleb2love/status/1640444486957277202/photo/1
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IG update!
Emarion has changed his IG profile picture to Macaulay Culkin when he was in Home Alone.
Everything kids post these days has meaning. Everything.
This leads me to believe he’ll be the only returning player at MU. We know Jop and Oso were already chasing that bag. Now it appears Emarion has been left home alone.
Good call!
Emarion enters the transfer portal and no longer follows anyone Marquette related (not sure if he ever did, but follow list is trimmed to 8 people)
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1640458460058861576?t=uv9BZQsvuwU-3nqopVrlYA&s=19
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“The only returning player”?
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Caleb Love enters the Transfer Portal and will leave UNC. Pretty easily the biggest name in the portal. Not sure that he's the best player but easily "biggest name".
Kansas
Kentucky
UConn
UCLA
those are the schools he'll be attracting.
Maybe keep an eye on Missouri too since they had success and he is from there.
But, UNC will still be pre-season #1, right?
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Caleb Love enters the Transfer Portal and will leave UNC. Pretty easily the biggest name in the portal. Not sure that he's the best player but easily "biggest name".
Kansas
Kentucky
UConn
UCLA
those are the schools he'll be attracting.
Maybe keep an eye on Missouri too since they had success and he is from there.
I would assume Pitino and Cooley are going to be interested.
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Good call!
Emarion enters the transfer portal and no longer follows anyone Marquette related (not sure if he ever did, but follow list is trimmed to 8 people)
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1640458460058861576?t=uv9BZQsvuwU-3nqopVrlYA&s=19
It always was McCauley caulking. He always followed 8 people. He just wants to play, and it’s easier at a different school.
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I would assume Pitino and Cooley are going to be interested.
Cooley doesn’t have that kind of pull
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Cooley doesn’t have that kind of pull
It's not really the pull, it's the bags that GTown (alumni) will drop...
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It's not really the pull, it's the bags that GTown (alumni) will drop...
We’ll see. I see remaking Gtown as a much heavier lift than the national media is portraying it to be.
SJU has Repole bankrolling them now and look at the recruits they’ve already been in contact with. All quiet on the Georgetown front so far with all but four teams still playing this season.
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We’ll see. I see remaking Gtown as a much heavier lift than the national media is portraying it to be.
SJU has Repole bankrolling them now and look at the recruits they’ve already been in contact with. All quiet on the Georgetown front so far with all but four teams still playing this season.
For sure! I'm not saying it will happen at all. Unless...the bags are available. But we were lead to believe part of the reason Cooley left was because...more bags would be available at GTown.
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For sure! I'm not saying it will happen at all. Unless...the bags are available. But we were lead to believe part of the reason Cooley left was because...more bags would be available at GTown.
Agreed - although he wouldn’t be the first person to receive an empty promise in a job.
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7’0” Kel’el Ware
https://twitter.com/___highlevel/status/1640421731541356544?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
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From our old friend Todd Rosiak, on someone NOT going into the portal.
In returning to UWM, Freeman also confirmed he willingly gave up potential NIL money that reached into six figures. "I don't look at the quick money. I look at the end goal and where I have the best chance of achieving my dream. Where I feel most happy," he said. "It's not about the money. I felt like Milwaukee was the best spot for me, for my happiness and for me to be able to achieve my end goal -- to make it to the (NBA).
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uwm/2023/03/27/bj-freeman-shuns-transfer-portal-will-return-to-uw-milwaukee-panthers/70054026007/
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We’ll see. I see remaking Gtown as a much heavier lift than the national media is portraying it to be.
I don't think that will be the case. Cooley has had his players lined up for awhile now. It's why Eddie Lampkin announced (then rescinded) his commitment to Georgetown as soon as Cooley was hired, and it's why Hilltop Hoops is reporting Georgetown is a favorite for Illinois wing Jayden Epps, who isn't even in the portal yet.
I would be shocked if Dirty Ed wasn't working the phones for Georgetown for the past few weeks. He's going to have maybe the biggest transfer haul in the nation. That Georgetown roster is going to look like Chris Beard's first year at Texas (likely with similar overrating early but enough talent to be competitive by March).
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From our old friend Todd Rosiak, on someone NOT going into the portal.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uwm/2023/03/27/bj-freeman-shuns-transfer-portal-will-return-to-uw-milwaukee-panthers/70054026007/
I’ll call BS on everything this kid said
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I’ll call BS on everything this kid said
UWM is a NBA prospect factory. Look at Patrick Baldwin, Jr.
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Xavier is really going to have a completely new look next year. Dieonte Miles, Cesare Edwards and Elijah Tucker have entered the portal. None were used a lot despite a lack of depth due to injuries, so I don't think any are a big surprise or big loss. Miller can now build his own roster around Desmond Claude and a good incoming class.
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Wrightsil to the Portal as a Grad Transfer. Assuming it is D1 I will absolutely be tuning in as often as possible to see how he fairs at this level.
Unique story.
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So now that we have an opening, who do we target? Is it as simple as "best rebounder available"?
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Zach Edey just dunked on Dakich.
https://twitter.com/zach_edey/status/1640751037853171718?t=d2LmGXsGD_DEMyrb0iUBeg&s=19
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So now that we have an opening, who do we target? Is it as simple as "best rebounder available"?
Given Shaka, I don't know that it's personnel as much as system.
I want a knock down 3 point shooter.
Or Zach Edey.
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Anybody know anything about Andrew Rohde? Just assumed Badgers for him.
6'6" shooter, heard he is close with Joplin.
Maybe he could be a target. Not a bruiser like some are hoping for but, a scorer and shooter with decent size.
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So now that we have an opening, who do we target? Is it as simple as "best rebounder available"?
We lost 51 minutes of play time. They don't "need" to do anything. Recruit 2024.
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We lost 51 minutes of play time. They don't "need" to do anything. Recruit 2024.
No reason you can't do that while also getting a one year grad transfer big. It's not an either/or situation.
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As of 3/28/23 the only player I've seen us reportedly make contact with is: Tyler Nickel - FR/6'7/UNC. High school scouting report:
"Has adequate length for a combo forward. Is well built with a physical strength edge to his game a high level shooting touch. Not an explosive athlete but can make plays and draw fouls in contact with his physical strength and aggressive mindset. Can post up and has an array of turn around fade away shots. More importantly for the next level, he is a marksman from behind the line. Is developing deep range. Loves to fire moving to his left. Steady ball handler who can find the open man. Not the type to break defenders down with the dribble. Positional rebounder. Defending is an area of concern."
Has anybody seen anyone else?
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Has anybody seen anyone else?
Only one I've seen so far.
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Anybody know anything about Andrew Rohde? Just assumed Badgers for him.
6'6" shooter, heard he is close with Joplin.
Maybe he could be a target. Not a bruiser like some are hoping for but, a scorer and shooter with decent size.
Marquette would be at or near the top of his list if there were guaranteed minutes available. But too many guards ahead of him so he is looking elsewhere. He is more of a PG type, and we have multiple ball handlers ahead of him. Same scenario with Jackson Paveltzky too, just not a big enough role available here.
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I’d temper enthusiasm on an “impact” transfer unless someone who played major minutes leaves
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Well … there are some minutes available for a 4/5 that can bang, rebound and clog the middle on D.
I’d also see poss minutes for a “ pure “
3 point shooter.
And … the one right guy can come in and not disrupt team chemistry
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I’d temper enthusiasm on an “impact” transfer unless someone who played major minutes leaves
Agreed. If the roster holds, I'd expect the last scholarship to either get banked or to go to a guy like Nickel who could provide depth at forward next season and potentially develop into a starter in 24-25.
If a major contributor leaves, then maybe we see an impact player come in to replace them...or to replace their backup so that their backup can take their place. For example, if OMax went pro, I could see Joplin taking his spot in the starting lineup but a transfer with OMax's skillset being recruited to take Jop's place as the 6th man.
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Zach Edey just dunked on Dakich.
https://twitter.com/zach_edey/status/1640751037853171718?t=d2LmGXsGD_DEMyrb0iUBeg&s=19
I like Dakich, but this is a sick burn.
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Agreed. If the roster holds, I'd expect the last scholarship to either get banked or to go to a guy like Nickel who could provide depth at forward next season and potentially develop into a starter in 24-25.
If a major contributor leaves, then maybe we see an impact player come in to replace them...or to replace their backup so that their backup can take their place. For example, if OMax went pro, I could see Joplin taking his spot in the starting lineup but a transfer with OMax's skillset being recruited to take Jop's place as the 6th man.
Probably not a popular opinion but I’d bank the spot unless they get a guy that has bigger upside ala OMax
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Probably not a popular opinion but I’d bank the spot unless they get a guy that has bigger upside ala OMax
I'm of the same opinion. This roster already has everything it needs, it's just a matter of whether Shaka can keep them together and develop them further
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The roster is pretty damn close to complete but we could use an attacking guard that can get to the basket and create his own shot. That said maybe we see Ross or SJ become that player.
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The roster is pretty damn close to complete but we could use an attacking guard that can get to the basket and create his own shot. That said maybe we see Ross or SJ become that player.
It’s going to be hard to convince that type of guard to come to Marquette with the current roster construct
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The roster is pretty damn close to complete but we could use an attacking guard that can get to the basket and create his own shot. That said maybe we see Ross or SJ become that player.
Sounds like Tre Norman.
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If the scholarship goes unused, sign four in 2024. Mohammed, Abraham, Owens, and Parham/Tchandy would be an awesome class.
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Sounds like Tre Norman.
Yup!
He's a very 2000's era guard. In your face defensively and very good at pullup jumpers. Will be interesting to see if they make him eliminate his midrange game because the pullup midrange is one of his strengths.
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BUCKLE UP AND HOPE IT ISN'T ONE OF OURS...
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1640772401938964480?t=jzmHfoMmTuL7OcOV3ttAIg&s=19
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BUCKLE UP AND HOPE IT ISN'T ONE OF OURS...
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1640772401938964480?t=jzmHfoMmTuL7OcOV3ttAIg&s=19
Seems the rumor has been Justin Moore.
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Seems the rumor has been Justin Moore.
Would be crazy to see Nova crumble like that.
They really might take 11th next year.
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just a bunch of st. johns guys, storr, stanley and king, no big deal
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BUCKLE UP AND HOPE IT ISN'T ONE OF OURS...
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1640772401938964480?t=jzmHfoMmTuL7OcOV3ttAIg&s=19
Hah, A tease. 3 SJU players, yawn.
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just a bunch of st. johns guys, storr, stanley and king, no big deal
Huge deal!
3 impact players. They played for a mess of a team but these 3 players are talented.
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1640776197821923328?t=jhQ1GldjA34t_pGGWYszag&s=19
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They played for a mess of a team but these 3 players are talented.
Not talented enough for Pitino.
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Bradley Ezewiro, Georgetown. Will be a nice backup
Jayden Pierre, Providence.
Georgetown, Providence, X, St. Johns have some serious roster openings.
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Not talented enough for Pitino.
Not the way the phrasing makes it sound. Seems as though they are leaving. There were rumblings that Pitino wanted Storr to stay in the worst way.
I'm sure he'll be just fine in replacing them but these are 3 good players that could impact college basketball if they land at the right spots.
Storr and Stanley for sure anyways.
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There were rumblings that Pitino wanted Storr to stay in the worst way.
Ehh...with Storr I believe the wording was he "invited him to stay". I have a feeling the rest of the proposal wasn't to Storr's liking. Sure they're "leaving", but it doesn't sound like Pitino tried very hard to retain any of them.
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Hah, A tease. 3 SJU players, yawn.
St. John’s might take a step back for sure. 😂
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The roster is pretty damn close to complete but we could use an attacking guard that can get to the basket and create his own shot. That said maybe we see Ross or SJ become that player.
Did Kam not get to the basket and create his own shot?
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Bradley Ezewiro, Georgetown. Will be a nice backup
Jayden Pierre, Providence.
Georgetown, Providence, X, St. Johns have some serious roster openings.
Returning Georgetown roster (so far):
Seniors (that could leave and/or have still have one year eligibility): 4
Juniors: 1
Sophomores: 1
Freshmen: 0
Incoming recruits: 1
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Hah, A tease. 3 SJU players, yawn.
One of them announced on his own page he was transferring 5 days ago.
https://twitter.com/omarstanley4/status/1638999877387702272?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
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One of them announced on his own page he was transferring 5 days ago.
https://twitter.com/omarstanley4/status/1638999877387702272?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
Yup and I'd love him on Marquette.
O'Mar, OMax, and Oso!
That being said, Storr is the prize. He's going to probably get a load of cash from some school.
6'6" guard that shot over 40% from 3.
Underutilized at only 21 minutes per game by Anderson.
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Yup and I'd love him on Marquette.
O'Mar, OMax, and Oso!
That being said, Storr is the prize. He's going to probably get a load of cash from some school.
6'6" guard that shot over 40% from 3.
Underutilized at only 21 minutes per game by Anderson.
Can he play defense? That's the end of the floor where MU needs to improve to get to the Top 25/Top 25 that would put them squarely in the title contender talk.
I'm confident that with a healthy Kolek, MU can be in the top 25 offensively again, but I don't recall anyone on St. John's being too interested in defense. Even Posh seemed indifferent.
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That being said, Storr is the prize. He's going to probably get a load of cash from some school.
Schools can’t give out a load of cash
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Schools can’t give out a load of cash
heh
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Can he play defense? That's the end of the floor where MU needs to improve to get to the Top 25/Top 25 that would put them squarely in the title contender talk.
I'm confident that with a healthy Kolek, MU can be in the top 25 offensively again, but I don't recall anyone on St. John's being too interested in defense. Even Posh seemed indifferent.
Stanley is 6'8" 240 lbs.
He wasn't utilized as a rebounder at St. John's but has all the tools to be one.
He's 100 for 154 from the field in his career. Basically all around the rim.
Not sure if there would be any interest from either side but I like his game.
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If everyone returns….whose minutes would he be taking?
Not sure why anyone of any caliber in the portal would want to come and sit behind a starter….for maybe 10 minutes/game.
I would suspect most in the portal are looking for playing time.
I don’t see us making a huge splash in the portal, because thankfully and hopefully we don’t have much to offer.
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If everyone returns….whose minutes would he be taking?
Not sure why anyone of any caliber in the portal would want to come and sit behind a starter….for maybe 10 minutes/game.
I would suspect most in the portal are looking for playing time.
I don’t see us making a huge splash in the portal, because thankfully and hopefully we don’t have much to offer.
You may be right assuming Oso and OMax are back. If they are they may target a younger transfer that can impact the team further down the road.
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Here's one for you guys.
Jamarion Sharp transfer from Western Kentucky.
7 foot 2 is an excellent rim protector and has really good feet and touch for a guy his size.
https://youtu.be/1y2VhefzhzY
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I want Mast from Bradley.
Would let Gold slot into a more stretch 4/wing role instead of playing the 5.
Plus Mast is just good.
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Schools can’t are not allowed to give out a load of cash
Schools can and do give out loads of cash. Have for years.
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Schools can and do give out loads of cash. Have for years.
Yup!
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Anybody know anything about Andrew Rohde? Just assumed Badgers for him.
6'6" shooter, heard he is close with Joplin.
Maybe he could be a target. Not a bruiser like some are hoping for but, a scorer and shooter with decent size.
He shot 32% from 3. Not sure he's much of a shooter.
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He shot 32% from 3. Not sure he's much of a shooter.
He’s a gym rat, though
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If everyone returns….whose minutes would he be taking?
Not sure why anyone of any caliber in the portal would want to come and sit behind a starter….for maybe 10 minutes/game.
I would suspect most in the portal are looking for playing time.
I don’t see us making a huge splash in the portal, because thankfully and hopefully we don’t have much to offer.
This makes sense.
I've mentioned that I wouldn't mind a Jayce Johnson type. Given that Theo was entrenched as the starter and Morrow was the nominal backup, I don't know what Wojo's pitch was to Jayce. But Jayce seemed content to try to help what was expected to be a decent team win games regardless of how many minutes he got.
Not sure if that kind of player is out there now, and if so that he'd be willing to play sporadic backup minutes.
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He shot 32% from 3. Not sure he's much of a shooter.
His buddy Jop was even worse as a frosh! Projects to be at like 52% next year!
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He’s a gym rat, though
…from the woods? snow belt?
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Nimari Burnett is available. MU was in on him out of high school, but Texas was not. From Chicago. Wouldn't hate adding him.
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wades
I have felt that Shaka will go back to the high school well in regards to the portal. He knew who he liked when recruiting them in high school and now knows how their game translates in the college game. Relationships matter and if looks like Shaka knows that better than most people.
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But, UNC will still be pre-season #1, right?
Based on the games I watched, I thought Love was what was wrong with UNC. UNC will be better without Love.
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Nimari Burnett is available. MU was in on him out of high school, but Texas was not. From Chicago. Wouldn't hate adding him.
Not sure Burnett is the same player he was before injury
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Former Shaka commit Tamar Bates (2021 #30 recruit) has entered the portal.
https://twitter.com/verbalcommits/status/1640854156264062976?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
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Here's one for you guys.
Jamarion Sharp transfer from Western Kentucky.
7 foot 2 is an excellent rim protector and has really good feet and touch for a guy his size.
https://youtu.be/1y2VhefzhzY
Sounds good. Can Shaka get him?
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Sounds good. Can Shaka get him?
No
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l
Not sure why anyone of any caliber in the portal would want to come and sit behind a starter….for maybe 10 minutes/game.
I would suspect most in the portal are looking for playing time.
Wonder if Shaka can sell his track record of getting bigs to the NBA.
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Wonder if Shaka can sell his track record of getting bigs to the NBA.
Im sure Shaka sells that all the time. Im sure he’s selling Oso’s development…..ball handling, assisting big man as well.
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Former Shaka commit Tamar Bates (2021 #30 recruit) has entered the portal.
https://twitter.com/verbalcommits/status/1640854156264062976?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
Interestingly, he’s the only recruit in Shaka’s 2021 class who has started a game - and I think he’s only started a few.
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I want Mast from Bradley.
Would let Gold slot into a more stretch 4/wing role instead of playing the 5.
Plus Mast is just good.
He would come as a package with Wardle
Warlde would manage the equipment and his wife could be the soccer coach.
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Here's one for you guys.
Jamarion Sharp transfer from Western Kentucky.
7 foot 2 is an excellent rim protector and has really good feet and touch for a guy his size.
https://youtu.be/1y2VhefzhzY
He’s actually 7-5. Not sure where he’s headed, but his previous Juco Head Coach is a Dennis Gates assistant.
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Interestingly, he’s the only recruit in Shaka’s 2021 class who has started a game - and I think he’s only started a few.
He’s got talent, but super inconsistent and pretty skinny.
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Former Shaka commit Tamar Bates (2021 #30 recruit) has entered the portal.
https://twitter.com/verbalcommits/status/1640854156264062976?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
Another I wouldn’t hate.
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Posh Alexander into the portal.
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1641032754941837317?t=0x6trqaMNOmIgbS8aeAIZw&s=19
(https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1641032754941837317?t=0x6trqaMNOmIgbS8aeAIZw&s=19)
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UNC-Charlotte (now called just Charlotte) had an interesting player enter the transfer portal: 6-11 center Aly Khalifa, who has some Oso-like skills.
Here's how the Charlotte Observer described him:
Khalifa was perhaps the most valuable player on the team this past season. The 6-foot-11, 230-pound redshirt sophomore averaged 11.7 points, 6.3 rebounds and 2.7 assists per game — proving his worth as a conventional back-to-the-basket big as well as a conductor of the team’s Princeton offense from the top of the key.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/charlotte-49ers/article273693415.html#storylink=cpy
In other words, the bolded part sounds similar to the way Shaka used Oso this past season. Should Oso happen to leave, might Khalifa be the kind of guy Shaka/Nevada would want?
Obviously, the ideal thing would be if Oso stays and Khalifa serves next season as his backup, works with the staff to get even better (he mentioned "development" as what he really wants at his next stop), and then takes over as a 23-year-old senior (assuming Oso leaves after the 2023-24 season).
Not sure he'd accept that role, though. Also not sure if he and Gold could be on the court together for long stretches (assuming Gold stays).
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UNC-Charlotte (now called just Charlotte) had an interesting player enter the transfer portal: 6-11 center Aly Khalifa, who has some Oso-like skills.
Been watching for that name since January. Not sure if he'd want to come be a 15-20 mpg guy, but I would love him here.
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Been watching for that name since January. Not sure if he'd want to come be a 15-20 mpg guy, but I would love him here.
If Marquette wants Khalifa, he'd be a good test of Shaka's powers of persuasion!
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Been watching for that name since January. Not sure if he'd want to come be a 15-20 mpg guy, but I would love him here.
15-20 in 24. In 25 he could have starter minutes with Ben on the wing. Not sure it would work but if it did it would be fun.
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If Marquette wants Khalifa, he'd be a good test of Shaka's powers of persuasion!
Shaka is a recruiting Wiz, so he would fit
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Posh Alexander into the portal.
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1641032754941837317?t=0x6trqaMNOmIgbS8aeAIZw&s=19
(https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1641032754941837317?t=0x6trqaMNOmIgbS8aeAIZw&s=19)
Poor man's Stevie Mitchell
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Adde-Wusu entered the portal.
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Adde-Wusu entered the portal.
Had some good moments against MU. Won't miss him, though I'm guessing Pitino will bring in someone better to eat those minutes.
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Adde-Wusu entered the portal.
I am a fan of this dude. He can play.
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Adde-Wusu, to me, is an example of where Anderson failed as a coach at SJU. The guy was an absolute match up nightmare for MU. Anderson's team lacked the concepts and discipline to feed him the ball every time until MU found a solution.
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According to various twitter reports (i.e., Adam Zagoria), it sounds like Adde-Wusu, Alexander, and Storr were all invited to stay but choose to leave anyway.
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Give me Tosan Evbuomwan and let's roll.
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Shaka is a recruiting Wiz, so he would fit
Ok, not bad.
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According to various twitter reports (i.e., Adam Zagoria), it sounds like Adde-Wusu, Alexander, and Storr were all invited to stay but choose to leave anyway.
Pitino can get better players but can he get them all at the same time this off season? Would be funny if this was all going horribly wrong for Pitino and the players on the current roster that he wanted to stay were giving him a big F U.
If Shaka can do it, Pitino certainly can. But it will be interesting to see how their roster shapes up over the coming weeks.
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UNC-Charlotte (now called just Charlotte) had an interesting player enter the transfer portal: 6-11 center Aly Khalifa, who has some Oso-like skills.
Here's how the Charlotte Observer described him:
Khalifa was perhaps the most valuable player on the team this past season. The 6-foot-11, 230-pound redshirt sophomore averaged 11.7 points, 6.3 rebounds and 2.7 assists per game — proving his worth as a conventional back-to-the-basket big as well as a conductor of the team’s Princeton offense from the top of the key.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/charlotte-49ers/article273693415.html#storylink=cpy
In other words, the bolded part sounds similar to the way Shaka used Oso this past season. Should Oso happen to leave, might Khalifa be the kind of guy Shaka/Nevada would want?
Obviously, the ideal thing would be if Oso stays and Khalifa serves next season as his backup, works with the staff to get even better (he mentioned "development" as what he really wants at his next stop), and then takes over as a 23-year-old senior (assuming Oso leaves after the 2023-24 season).
Not sure he'd accept that role, though. Also not sure if he and Gold could be on the court together for long stretches (assuming Gold stays).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5V9-ONa7-Y
This guy is crazy skilled for his size. Vision and 3pt shot would fit right in with our offense, though he's a bit slower than I expected once I read the Oso comp.
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Give me Tosan Evbuomwan and let's roll.
is that the Princeton guy?
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is that the Princeton guy?
Yes
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Yes
Is he in the portal? I was very impressed by him (at least relative to the other guys on Princeton).
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Is he in the portal? I was very impressed by him (at least relative to the other guys on Princeton).
Not yet, but he can't stay at Princeton because the Ivy doesn't allow fifth year players. He'll either go pro or grad transfer. Guessing an announcement will come soon. He also isn't a typical NIL target because it's harder to navigate for foreign players (Evbuomwan is from the UK) so it might actually be more about fit than financials.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5V9-ONa7-Y
This guy is crazy skilled for his size. Vision and 3pt shot would fit right in with our offense, though he's a bit slower than I expected once I read the Oso comp.
He would be an awesome fit on offense. I don't think he can do what Shaka wants on the defensive end. We switch on almost everything and I think he would get destroyed by Big East guards.
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Drew Fielder, 6 ft 11 2023 recruit for Providence, recommitted and now onward to Georgetown.
Kayvaun Mulready, Tre Norman teammate and MU target also the same as above.
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Not yet, but he can't stay at Princeton because the Ivy doesn't allow fifth year players. He'll either go pro or grad transfer. Guessing an announcement will come soon. He also isn't a typical NIL target because it's harder to navigate for foreign players (Evbuomwan is from the UK) so it might actually be more about fit than financials.
Sounds good in theory, but let's be honest, can a guy who earned a Bachelor's Degree at Princeton honestly hope to get academically cleared to play at Marquette?
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That big guy would not be much help on defense, but definitely can pass the ball.
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Sounds good in theory, but let's be honest, can a guy who earned a Bachelor's Degree at Princeton honestly hope to get academically cleared to play at Marquette?
Princeton is the Marquette of the east
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Not yet, but he can't stay at Princeton because the Ivy doesn't allow fifth year players. He'll either go pro or grad transfer. Guessing an announcement will come soon. He also isn't a typical NIL target because it's harder to navigate for foreign players (Evbuomwan is from the UK) so it might actually be more about fit than financials.
Schedule a game or other activity in the UK and rake in the nil $$$. The F-1 visa rule don’t apply off shore.
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I'm wondering if all these FAU guys will stay there along with their coach. They're a very young team.
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Marcus Domask in the portal. He's easily good enough to play here, but Id assume he would go elsewhere for a bigger role. Maybe if Omax moves on he could take that spot, although his game is very different.
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I'm wondering if all these FAU guys will stay there along with their coach. They're a very young team.
https://sports.yahoo.com/fau-coach-dusty-may-middle-111112775.html?src=rss
Here you go.......
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Princeton is the Marquette of the east
Yeah......I can tell by the high level of acumen on this site.....LOL
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I am a fan of this dude. He can play.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/42df1ded3231662c2b50fd8a8ae3e76a/tenor.gif)
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Schedule a game or other activity in the UK and rake in the nil $$$. The F-1 visa rule don’t apply off shore.
With O-Max and Ben on the roster, I do think targeting the better foreign nationals as transfer targets (like Evbuomwan or Khalifa) is smart.
We really have a lot to sell this year. International trip, Maui, top-10 team if the rest of the roster sticks, there's a big opportunity here.
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I think MU needs to take advantage of the open scholarship for this upcoming season (rather than bank it for ‘24). I’d still love a tall 3 & D guy (so would every other program). I gave Wades credit, he’s throwing out some intriguing names that I like too.
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I think MU needs to take advantage of the open scholarship for this upcoming season (rather than bank it for ‘24). I’d still love a tall 3 & D guy (so would every other program). I gave Wades credit, he’s throwing out some intriguing names that I like too.
Trust Shaka to fill the roster.
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I think MU needs to take advantage of the open scholarship for this upcoming season (rather than bank it for ‘24). I’d still love a tall 3 & D guy (so would every other program). I gave Wades credit, he’s throwing out some intriguing names that I like too.
I think ideally you go with a grad transfer that opens up a scholarship next year again, or a freshman transfer that gives you 3 years & is less likely to make a second transfer under the new rules.
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With O-Max and Ben on the roster, I do think targeting the better foreign nationals as transfer targets (like Evbuomwan or Khalifa) is smart.
We really have a lot to sell this year. International trip, Maui, top-10 team if the rest of the roster sticks, there's a big opportunity here.
Somehow I missed this, but what is the international trip? Thanks!
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Somehow I missed this, but what is the international trip? Thanks!
And will Thomas Bilde be announcing a live stream?
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With O-Max and Ben on the roster, I do think targeting the better foreign nationals as transfer targets (like Evbuomwan or Khalifa) is smart.
We really have a lot to sell this year. International trip, Maui, top-10 team if the rest of the roster sticks, there's a big opportunity here.
International trip?
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CBS ranking of portal prospects
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/LongFormArticle/College-Basketball-Transfer-Portal-Rankings-247Sports-Top-25-Taran-Armstrong-JJ-Starling-Jameer-Nelson-Jr-Fardaws-Aimaq-Khalif-Battle-207516257/#null
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International trip?
Teams are eligible to go every 4 years. The last one we went on was in 2019-20 when we went to Spain and France. Smart also did these at Texas, most recently in 2017-18. Fully expect a trip this year. It allows for more practice time in summer.
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CBS ranking of portal prospects
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/LongFormArticle/College-Basketball-Transfer-Portal-Rankings-247Sports-Top-25-Taran-Armstrong-JJ-Starling-Jameer-Nelson-Jr-Fardaws-Aimaq-Khalif-Battle-207516257/#null
I didn’t realize Fardaws Aimaq is back in the portal.
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With O-Max and Ben on the roster, I do think targeting the better foreign nationals as transfer targets (like Evbuomwan or Khalifa) is smart.
We really have a lot to sell this year. International trip, Maui, top-10 team if the rest of the roster sticks, there's a big opportunity here.
Charlotte transfer Aly Khalifa tells TPR that he has received interest from:
Florida
SMU
Memphis
Vanderbilt
Butler
WSU
Xavier
Wichita State
Colorado
Clemson
Marquette
Charleston
BYU
San Francisco
South Carolina
Averaged 11.7 PPG, 6.3 RPG, and 2.7 APG this season!
https://twitter.com/ThePortalReport/status/1641245921051639808?t=E3Wfc7wvmoRIKLgvBPd4-g&s=19
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Charlotte transfer Aly Khalifa tells TPR that he has received interest from:
Florida
SMU
Memphis
Vanderbilt
Butler
WSU
Xavier
Wichita State
Colorado
Clemson
Marquette
Charleston
BYU
San Francisco
South Carolina
Averaged 11.7 PPG, 6.3 RPG, and 2.7 APG this season!
https://twitter.com/ThePortalReport/status/1641245921051639808?t=E3Wfc7wvmoRIKLgvBPd4-g&s=19
There you have it. Looks like we’re at least going to make contact with some top portal guys this summer. Let’s see what Shaka can do
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I think ideally you go with a grad transfer that opens up a scholarship next year again, or a freshman transfer that gives you 3 years & is less likely to make a second transfer under the new rules.
What are these new rules you speak of? #Lies
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CBS ranking of portal prospects
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/LongFormArticle/College-Basketball-Transfer-Portal-Rankings-247Sports-Top-25-Taran-Armstrong-JJ-Starling-Jameer-Nelson-Jr-Fardaws-Aimaq-Khalif-Battle-207516257/#null
Was this article written by Armstrong’s brother or cousin? He’s a decent player by 11/4/4 in a lower level conference for a guard with no 3 pt shot to speak of and who didn’t even make the 8 player first team all conference doesn’t exactly scream “second best player in the portal” behind only a likely lottery pick.
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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jamarion-sharp-1.html
I like the idea of a 7'5" Kur at the back of our defense
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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jamarion-sharp-1.html
I like the idea of a 7'5" Kur at the back of our defense
Kur on steroids. Twice as many BPG and 2x DPOY in CUSA. Certainly would be an answer to Clingan and Kalkbrenner
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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jamarion-sharp-1.html
I like the idea of a 7'5" Kur at the back of our defense
What are we giving up on offense when he's on the floor? Does he clog up the lane so we cant get to the rim? IMO, Shaka gets a guy from the portal who fits our current system.
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What are we giving up on offense when he's on the floor? Does he clog up the lane so we cant get to the rim? IMO, Shaka gets a guy from the portal who fits our current system.
Kur fit in our system just fine. Sharp would play a similar role, though I imagine he would play less minutes
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What are we giving up on offense when he's on the floor?
If he shoots 60% on his dunks, we're already getting more offense from him than we got from Kuath.
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Kur fit in our system just fine. Sharp would play a similar role, though I imagine he would play less minutes
Did he though?Our KenPom numbers are better this year for both offense (64 vs 7) and defense. (55 vs 43). Alot has to do with the improvement of our current players, but some has to do with the offense had more room to flow without a big center in the middle. I thought our offense was stagnant last year when Kur was in the game.Could be my perception vs reality. I'll trust Shaka, obviously, but I wouldn't be surpised if we get a big wing, or stretch 4/5 in the portal.
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Did he though?Our KenPom numbers are better this year for both offense (64 vs 7) and defense. (55 vs 43). Alot has to do with the improvement of our current players, but some has to do with the offense had more room to flow without a big center in the middle. I thought our offense was stagnant last year when Kur was in the game.Could be my perception vs reality. I'll trust Shaka, obviously, but I wouldn't be surpised if we get a big wing, or stretch 4/5 in the portal.
Interesting points. I don’t know I want a guy like Sharp taking minutes from Gold
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I would be pretty surprised if Shaka goes after a wing in the portal barring an unexpected exit.
If things stand as is, a big will be coming.
The question then becomes, does Shaka go after a guy Sharp- defense first rebounding and blocking centric, or a guy like Khalifa- wouldn’t miss a beat offensively and could even improve the offense with his shooting ability and versatility, but would likely not improve the defensive end.
What would scoopers prefer? What do scoopers think Shaka will prefer?
It might just be whoever bites first or fits more personality wise, but assuming either in this type of mold is willing to come.
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I would be pretty surprised if Shaka goes after a wing in the portal barring an unexpected exit.
If things stand as is, a big will be coming.
The question then becomes, does Shaka go after a guy Sharp- defense first rebounding and blocking centric, or a guy like Khalifa- wouldn’t miss a beat offensively and could even improve the offense with his shooting ability and versatility, but would likely not improve the defensive end.
What would scoopers prefer? What do scoopers think Shaka will prefer?
It might just be whoever bites first or fits more personality wise, but assuming either in this type of mold is willing to come.
If* roster stays the same, and we are dead set on bringing in a guy, my only preference is someone who can contribute right away. No Wrighstils or Itajere-like projects. Get a Sharp or Khalifa or whoever ends up in the portal that at least has performed at a high level in a respectable league.
Barring major overhaul we should be a legit contender next year. That should help
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I think it'll be a Wrightsil-like addition. Not NAIA, but a guy willing to take a jump up in level and do some dirty work on the glass.
Khalifa is interesting, but I don't think he'd be able to function effectively in a switching defense.
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I want a knock down shooter with a quick release.
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I want a knock down shooter with a quick release.
6'8" Moses Wood
He would be a nice pairing with Joplin at the 4 should OMax depart for the NBA.
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How about another Robert Jackson?
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Did he though?Our KenPom numbers are better this year for both offense (64 vs 7) and defense. (55 vs 43). Alot has to do with the improvement of our current players, but some has to do with the offense had more room to flow without a big center in the middle. I thought our offense was stagnant last year when Kur was in the game.Could be my perception vs reality. I'll trust Shaka, obviously, but I wouldn't be surpised if we get a big wing, or stretch 4/5 in the portal.
Yes, he did. The efficiency problem wasn't the high efficiency, low usage rotation center, it was the lower efficiency, high usage shot dominant wings in Lewis & Morsell.
Last year we wondered if we could survive on offense without them, but their departure was honestly the reason our offense thrived.
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From our old friend Todd Rosiak, on someone NOT going into the portal.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uwm/2023/03/27/bj-freeman-shuns-transfer-portal-will-return-to-uw-milwaukee-panthers/70054026007/
Yep, pretty exciting. Glad I was wrong. I thought he would transfer up.
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Yes, he did. The efficiency problem wasn't the high efficiency, low usage rotation center, it was the lower efficiency, high usage shot dominant wings in Lewis & Morsell.
Last year we wondered if we could survive on offense without them, but their departure was honestly the reason our offense thrived.
That, and Kolek improving big time. Much better shooting numbers at all three levels, higher assist rate, and lower turnover rate. Tremendous across the board improvement.
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Shaka to contacts in the portal:
"Out of the 7300 minutes we had as a team in 2022-23, we could return our top 9 players and 7200 of these minutes. We have 4 returning frontcourt players who we expect to see continued development from, so we might add a player, but the player has to understand there will be limited playing time so its has to be a special person who can buy into the team concept."
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Shaka to contacts in the portal:
"Out of the 7300 minutes we had as a team in 2022-23, we could return our top 9 players and 7200 of these minutes. We have 4 returning frontcourt players who we expect to see continued development from, so we might add a player, but the player has to understand there will be limited playing time so its has to be a special person who can buy into the team concept and not to expect to see much playing time."
Shaka made it very clear in that marathon multi-episode podcast with Gottlieb that he really focuses on culture when recruiting and that he's gotten really good at knowing what he's looking for. So, I trust that if Shaka picks someone up, it'll be a fit. I think Wrightsil is a great example of this. Even though he did not play, I think he was a big contributor to the team's culture and attitude.
I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that we're going to return that top nine. There's one that worries me, but every day that goes by without another entry into the portal is a good day as far as I'm concerned.
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Yes, he did. The efficiency problem wasn't the high efficiency, low usage rotation center, it was the lower efficiency, high usage shot dominant wings in Lewis & Morsell.
Last year we wondered if we could survive on offense without them, but their departure was honestly the reason our offense thrived.
Exactly Brew. Anyone who suggested that we might be better off without Lewis and Morsell turned out to be prescient.
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I would be pretty surprised if Shaka goes after a wing in the portal barring an unexpected exit.
If things stand as is, a big will be coming.
The question then becomes, does Shaka go after a guy Sharp- defense first rebounding and blocking centric, or a guy like Khalifa- wouldn’t miss a beat offensively and could even improve the offense with his shooting ability and versatility, but would likely not improve the defensive end.
What would scoopers prefer? What do scoopers think Shaka will prefer?
It might just be whoever bites first or fits more personality wise, but assuming either in this type of mold is willing to come.
Would OMax leaving be considered expected or unexpected?
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Yes, he did. The efficiency problem wasn't the high efficiency, low usage rotation center, it was the lower efficiency, high usage shot dominant wings in Lewis & Morsell.
Last year we wondered if we could survive on offense without them, but their departure was honestly the reason our offense thrived.
I'm not sure how anyone would think our offense would be better with a player like Kuath in, as opposed to someone in the Oso mold.
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Just over 1000 kids in the transfer portal right now. That's approaching 25% of players. Absolutely bonkers.
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Would OMax leaving be considered expected or unexpected?
I think the portal plans only change if either Kolek or Oso leave. Shaka would shoot for the stars in this scenario.
Kam (Chase/Tre), Stevie (Chase/Tre) and Omax (Joplin) have natural replacements already on the roster. I think Shaka just rolls with his guys if any of the other 3 starters left. Same deal if Joplin left.
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I think the portal plans only change if either Kolek or Oso leave. Shaka would shoot for the stars in this scenario.
Kam (Chase/Tre), Stevie (Chase/Tre) and Omax (Joplin) have natural replacements already on the roster. I think Shaka just rolls with his guys if any of the other 3 starters left. Same deal if Joplin left.
Marquette will be a dominant and must see team next year and Kolek and Oso aren't going anywhere. It still absolutely sucks what happened in the tournament but we will be back.
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I'm not sure how anyone would think our offense would be better with a player like Kuath in, as opposed to someone in the Oso mold.
But Kur wasn't the problem. Is Oso a better offensive piece? Yes, because of his passing & floor stretching ability (not in terms of shooting but because his passing required teams to defend him away from the paint). But Kur was a monster finisher, offensively efficient, and a better interior backstop. Situationally, as a team there are times you will be better with a Kur/Sharp type on the floor than with an Oso because you play on both ends of the court.
I wrote this last summer:
If the players improve at a rate comparable to the average sample (which included both the worst case and best case, so about average development) we can expect a 2.5% increase in eFG% in 2022-23. This makes sense as the two players that took the highest percentage of shots both had eFG% ratings under the team 52.2% average. While Marquette will be losing points, there is reason to believe they will be increasing their offensive efficiency.
To put into context what that hypothetical 2.5% increase would mean, Marquette's 52.1% ranked 77th in eFG% in 2021-22 but if they increased their team eFG% to 54.7% they would've ranked 21st in the category. And while the overall offense finished 66th, in 2021-22 every high-major team that ranked in the top-30 of eFG% was ranked in the top-41 of overall Adjusted Offensive Efficiency. That would mean an minimum expected 25-spot jump for Marquette in Adjusted Offensive Efficiency.
Tyler, Kam, O-Max, Oso, & Stevie all got better, and they used that improvement in place of the less efficient Lewis and Morsell. But there were still holes in terms of the team overall.
Honestly, if we had Sharp this year I think we're probably clinking glasses in Houston right now instead of discussing this on Scoop. It wouldn't be either/or with Oso, it would be someone who could provide a physical rim protecting and offensive rebounding presence when Oso wasn't on the floor. That would've been the difference against Michigan State.
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Saw no evidence that we reached out to either but Nimari Burnett to Michigan and that Princeton guy declared for the NBA.
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Curbelo in the portal again.
St. Johns is going to be fascinating next year. Pitino + NIL + portal is a recipe for success and/or insanity.
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Curbelo in the portal again.
St. Johns is going to be fascinating next year. Pitino + NIL + portal is a recipe for success and/or insanity.
Screwing up the chemistry of two teams wasn’t enough for Curabello?
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Shaka made it very clear in that marathon multi-episode podcast with Gottlieb that he really focuses on culture when recruiting and that he's gotten really good at knowing what he's looking for. So, I trust that if Shaka picks someone up, it'll be a fit. I think Wrightsil is a great example of this. Even though he did not play, I think he was a big contributor to the team's culture and attitude.
I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that we're going to return that top nine. There's one that worries me, but every day that goes by without another entry into the portal is a good day as far as I'm concerned.
Was that on the doug gottlieb show or all ball podcast or somewhere else? Thanks
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Was that on the doug gottlieb show or all ball podcast or somewhere else? Thanks
All Ball podcast. There were four parts in Jan/Feb.
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Just over 1000 kids in the transfer portal right now. That's approaching 25% of players. Absolutely bonkers.
I could be completely wrong but haven't the numbers been about 30%-40% in the past?
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Just over 1000 kids in the transfer portal right now. That's approaching 25% of players. Absolutely bonkers.
With 13 scholarships per 363 teams that's 4719 D1 players, so not 25%. That doesn't even account for the dozens of walkons in the transfer portal.
All that being said, each of the last two seasons have seen around 1650 players enter the portal. That ends up being about 35% though again doesn't account for the walkons in the portal. It's a beautiful thing
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Would OMax leaving be considered expected or unexpected?
Based on those Shaka quotes it sounds like it would be unexpected to him
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Saw no evidence that we reached out to either but Nimari Burnett to Michigan and that Princeton guy declared for the NBA.
Dang. Those were two guys I definitely would've liked to see at Marquette.
Bates wouldn't be the worst. Otherwise find a sharpshooter.
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Dang. Those were two guys I definitely would've liked to see at Marquette.
Bates wouldn't be the worst. Otherwise find a sharpshooter.
Did they hire an agent or still maintain eligibility? A guy can declare but still potentially transfer.
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Did they hire an agent or still maintain eligibility? A guy can declare but still potentially transfer.
The announcement from Jonathan Givony said Evbuomwan will forgo his remaining eligibility.
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With 13 scholarships per 363 teams that's 4719 D1 players, so not 25%. That doesn't even account for the dozens of walkons in the transfer portal.
All that being said, each of the last two seasons have seen around 1650 players enter the portal. That ends up being about 35% though again doesn't account for the walkons in the portal. It's a beautiful thing
Wouldn't a decent chunk of that 4719 also have used up their eligibility and therefore wouldn't be considering the portal? If so, a 4,000 denominator doesn't feel out of line. That said, there could be a couple hundred non-scholarship entrants. If I'm reading the numbers correctly, the past 2 years about 260 non-scholarship players entered.
I separately noticed that about 30ish% of portal entrants don't actually move to a different school. I don't fault anyone for testing the waters and it seems a fair amount of that is in play.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/2/21/media-center-2022-transfer-trends-released-for-divisions-i-and-ii.aspx
In 2022, 1,649 men's Division I basketball players were entered into the Transfer Portal, a slight decrease from 2021 (1,687). Eighty-four percent of these student-athletes were on athletics aid at their departing school.
Of all the Transfer Portal entrants in Division I men's basketball, 1,123 transferred to another NCAA school to receive athletics aid, a slight decrease from 2021 (1,198).
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Been out all day and just read Brew's comments regarding Sharp. Brew's take on what might have been with Sharp in a MU uniform this year was exceptionally interesting. The thought of a guy on our team that tall brings a smile to my face. One question is how would his presence affect Ben in both PT and position/responsibilities/role?
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Saw no evidence that we reached out to either but Nimari Burnett to Michigan and that Princeton guy declared for the NBA.
I think Burnett has to sit out, didn't he already use 1 transfer going to AL?
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I think Burnett has to sit out, didn't he already use 1 transfer going to AL?
This will be one of those cases that will show if the transfer rule/portal is a complete joke or not.
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This will be one of those cases that will show if the transfer rule/portal is a complete joke or not.
PTSD from the shooting incident?
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This will be one of those cases that will show if the transfer rule/portal is a complete joke or not.
Could be hardship case like his mom got a paper cut at work and he needs to move closer to home. ;D
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Jordan Davis dis-Garded.
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1641554780563599362?t=5N0s7j4fnAg0XZXWm1g34g&s=19
(https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1641554780563599362?t=5N0s7j4fnAg0XZXWm1g34g&s=19)
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Jordan Davis dis-Garded.
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1641554780563599362?t=5N0s7j4fnAg0XZXWm1g34g&s=19
(https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1641554780563599362?t=5N0s7j4fnAg0XZXWm1g34g&s=19)
Lost his passion for the game
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The lesser Davis.
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Silly season in badgerland - they claim they have “two silent commitments” from the portal. And then they go on about the Hauser silent commits. Fun stuff
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Jordan Davis was a talented football player in high school. I believe he was injured senior season.
Should consider switching sports . Good size wide receivers with athletic ability are worth a lot .
https://uwbadgers.com/news/2022/12/29/mens-basketball-first-year-starter-jordan-davis-embraces-next-opportunity.aspx
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Wouldn't a decent chunk of that 4719 also have used up their eligibility and therefore wouldn't be considering the portal? If so, a 4,000 denominator doesn't feel out of line. That said, there could be a couple hundred non-scholarship entrants. If I'm reading the numbers correctly, the past 2 years about 260 non-scholarship players entered.
I separately noticed that about 30ish% of portal entrants don't actually move to a different school. I don't fault anyone for testing the waters and it seems a fair amount of that is in play.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/2/21/media-center-2022-transfer-trends-released-for-divisions-i-and-ii.aspx
In 2022, 1,649 men's Division I basketball players were entered into the Transfer Portal, a slight decrease from 2021 (1,687). Eighty-four percent of these student-athletes were on athletics aid at their departing school.
Of all the Transfer Portal entrants in Division I men's basketball, 1,123 transferred to another NCAA school to receive athletics aid, a slight decrease from 2021 (1,198).
That's a good point on the players who have used up their eligibility and that many in the portal will end up returning to their current programs
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That's a solid argument, but he clearly prefers to play basketball. There have been a few college basketball players who show up at the NFL combine and play in the NFL. I recall a former UWM player who played for the Chiefs.
As for Davis, I do think he'd be a better player at MU where he can get more touches and opportunities in transition. Unfortunately, unless O-Max leaves, he would not crack the lineup with the projected returning players.
Jordan Davis was a talented football player in high school. I believe he was injured senior season.
Should consider switching sports . Good size wide receivers with athletic ability are worth a lot.
https://uwbadgers.com/news/2022/12/29/mens-basketball-first-year-starter-jordan-davis-embraces-next-opportunity.aspx
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0.0000000 interest in Jordan Davis. Let's wake up MU peeps.
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0.0000000 interest in Jordan Davis. Let's wake up MU peeps.
Seriously? We should target a crappy player from a crappy badger team?
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Seriously? We should target a crappy player from a crappy badger team?
Exactly. I'd consider Essegian but that's about it.
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Exactly. I'd consider Essegian but that's about it.
Dude can't play a lick of defense. Seen that movie before, no thanks.
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Dude can't play a lick of defense. Seen that movie before, no thanks.
But he can spot-shoot and would get a plethora of wide open shots. i would take him but we'll be fine either way.
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0.0000000 interest in Jordan Davis. Let's wake up MU peeps.
Has anyone suggested that MU should go after Jordan Davis?
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That's a solid argument, but he clearly prefers to play basketball. There have been a few college basketball players who show up at the NFL combine and play in the NFL. I recall a former UWM player who played for the Chiefs.
As for Davis, I do think he'd be a better player at MU where he can get more touches and opportunities in transition. Unfortunately, unless O-Max leaves, he would not crack the lineup with the projected returning players.
I think you meant fortunately.
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I think you meant fortunately.
Jordan Davis is a below average player that should go to a mid-major and have fun.
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Jordan Davis is a below average player that should go to a mid-major and have fun.
Agreed.
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Has anyone suggested that MU should go after Jordan Davis?
No
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Exactly. I'd consider Essegian but that's about it.
is there chit chat that Essegian might leave RED?
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is there chit chat that Essegian might leave RED?
No
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The lesser Davis.
Much much lesser
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is there chit chat that Essegian might leave RED?
There's talk about him and Hepburn, but it might be just that.
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There's talk about him and Hepburn, but it might be just that.
Those two can both play and would have a lot of high majors interested. I sure would want to escape Gard’s sh!tshow if I were either guy.
If they would both leave almost a guaranteed 14th place. We’d be talking worse than any Steve Yoder collection of stiffs.
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No
you on the inside?
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Those two can both play and would have a lot of high majors interested. I sure would want to escape Gard’s sh!tshow if I were either guy.
If they would both leave almost a guaranteed 14th place. We’d be talking worse than any Steve Yoder collection of stiffs.
a feel good thought
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Tyler Nickel, one of the two transfers we've been publicly named with, committed to Virginia Tech.
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Tyler Nickel, one of the two transfers we've been publicly named with, committed to Virginia Tech.
I'll just say it, as a tattooed individual, he looks like someone who walked into a tattoo parlor with a youth bible leader's notebook and said "tattoos please" in order to fit in. Unless he would take to defense the same way, I think we'll be fine missing out on him.
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Tyrese Samuel from Seton Hall.
Wouldn't be surprised if Marquette gets involved with him.
He'd be an ideal fit for this team behind Oso or a nice replacement for him should he decide to go pro.
Samuel play 24 mpg this past season at the Hall. Nobody wants a lesser role, but maybe he'd accept one to play for a contender.
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is there chit chat that Essegian might leave RED?
yes
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When I watched this guy play, I thought of his fellow Laplander who adorned the Blue and Gold.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/olivier-nkamhoua2 (https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/olivier-nkamhoua2)
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Tyler Nickel, one of the two transfers we've been publicly named with, committed to Virginia Tech.
Green weenie, aina?
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Since now is the season to read into people's Insta posts. Tyler did share a picture today with him shooting right by Tyrese Samuel. Maybe they see him as a fit too?
Tyrese Samuel from Seton Hall.
Wouldn't be surprised if Marquette gets involved with him.
He'd be an ideal fit for this team behind Oso or a nice replacement for him should he decide to go pro.
Samuel play 24 mpg this past season at the Hall. Nobody wants a lesser role, but maybe he'd accept one to play for a contender.
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Since now is the season to read into people's Insta posts. Tyler did share a picture today with him shooting right by Tyrese Samuel. Maybe they see him as a fit too?
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These kids always mean something with their social media activity.
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I mean...Tyler doesnt post that often on social media so for him to select that specific picture...I am intrigued.
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Kolek going pro with Samuel
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I mean...Tyler doesnt post that often on social media so for him to select that specific picture...I am intrigued.
Or it’s just a cool picture he came across.
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Isaac Traudt to Creighton - gonna be interesting to see if any of their players declare for the draft. If not, they’re gonna be really good again.
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What's with the little bear cartoon? Lol
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What's with the little bear cartoon? Lol
The bear is swinging a towel over his head in the post.
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Going into the season, everyone expected this to be the last for Kaluma and Alexander. But Kaluma had a horrible year, so I'm guessing if anyone goes it's just Alexander.
Isaac Traudt to Creighton - gonna be interesting to see if any of their players declare for the draft. If not, they’re gonna be really good again.
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Samuel would be an awesome addition. Solid, durable Big East veteran. For this year’s roster, I’d prefer a guy who only has one year left also.
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Going into the season, everyone expected this to be the last for Kaluma and Alexander. But Kaluma had a horrible year, so I'm guessing if anyone goes it's just Alexander.
Alexander is the one I think has the biggest NBA upside.
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Samuel would be an awesome addition. Solid, durable Big East veteran. For this year’s roster, I’d prefer a guy who only has one year left also.
Qudus Wahab just entered the portal (again).
He'd also fit but he'd have to get a waiver.
Samuel is much more versatile though.
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I'd take Samuel in a heartbeat. Proven big that would fit our system. Plays really aggressively to the hoop and has a nice jumper. Would be a big addition if he's willing to buy into the team. Would be nuts how much height this team would have with an addition like him.
There's definitely a world where Oso, Ben and Samuel could coexist. A unit with one of Oso/Samuel and Ben would be a really fun one to watch and a matchup nightmare.
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I'd take Samuel in a heartbeat. Proven big that would fit our system. Plays really aggressively to the hoop and has a nice jumper. Would be a big addition if he's willing to buy into the team. Would be nuts how much height this team would have with an addition like him.
There's definitely a world where Oso, Ben and Samuel could coexist. A unit with one of Oso/Samuel and Ben would be a really fun one to watch and a matchup nightmare.
Joplin and OMax have in the past and are still capable of playing the 3 as well.
Could roll out a lineup that has Oso/Gold/Jop or Samuel/Gold/OMax or almost any combination with 3 of the 5 if they decided to go big.
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Hopkins staying at Providence.
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Done deal?
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Hopkins staying at Providence.
nm wrong guy
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Samuel is also from Montreal. Maybe a connection with O-max too? Would definitely be a great addition.
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I think Samuel would be a tough get without losing Oso or Omax.
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I think Samuel would be a tough get without losing Oso or Omax.
Sounds to me like Shaka expects 1 or both to be gone.
Using phrases like "most of our guys" and "vast majority of guys" seems to hint at a departure or 2.
https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1641857777915121665?t=hSiMYIF8W8xX_eDpgdGlNA&s=19
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Sounds to me like Shaka expects 1 or both to be gone.
Using phrases like "most of our guys" and "vast majority of guys" seems to hint at a departure or 2.
https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1641857777915121665?t=hSiMYIF8W8xX_eDpgdGlNA&s=19
Well, 3 guys are in the portal.
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Well, 3 guys are in the portal.
He also said hopefully most of the guys who played significant minutes which implies there could be a player or two who played significant minutes may not be on the roster.
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Sounds to me like Shaka expects 1 or both to be gone.
Using phrases like "most of our guys" and "vast majority of guys" seems to hint at a departure or 2.
https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1641857777915121665?t=hSiMYIF8W8xX_eDpgdGlNA&s=19
"vast majority of our guys that played significant minutes" which is interesting. Feels like there is one more. Unlikely Tyler given his Gram. I'd guess it'd be from our guards given the logjam there, but that's pure speculation. But hey, Scoop is here for tinfoil hats and wild speculation.
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Sounds to me like Shaka expects 1 or both to be gone.
Using phrases like "most of our guys" and "vast majority of guys" seems to hint at a departure or 2.
https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1641857777915121665?t=hSiMYIF8W8xX_eDpgdGlNA&s=19
Oso and OMax are gowne. Cam is taking the bag. 8th place here we come
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"vast majority of our guys that played significant minutes" which is interesting. Feels like there is one more. Unlikely Tyler given his Gram. I'd guess it'd be from our guards given the logjam there, but that's pure speculation. But hey, Scoop is here for tinfoil hats and wild speculation.
Sean: I don’t think it’s shaping up that his role will be larger next year.
Ben: if Omax and Oso stay, his role likely won’t be larger.
Oso/Omax: both have pro decisions
Definitely some honest discussions to be had if Oso and Omax decide to stay and for Sean with regards to the logjam at guard.
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Oso and OMax are gowne. Cam is taking the bag. 8th place here we come
But not Kam, so we're good.
I'd say OMax is most likely the one that would be gone should anyone decide to pursue professional opportunities, but I also think he's the most difficult to replace.
As Shaka said, we have a long way to go. Typically by June 1 you know what you have. About 2 months of happenings yet to go through.
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But not Kam, so we're good.
I'd say OMax is most likely the one that would be gone should anyone decide to pursue professional opportunities, but I also think he's the most difficult to replace.
As Shaka said, we have a long way to go. Typically by June 1 you know what you have. About 2 months of happenings yet to go through.
They’re all gone. Better get Jordan Davis on the horn
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Golden
I do not think we will need to wait until June 1st. I would be very surprised if Shaka rolled the dice and did not get an impact transfer to replace a volume guy. If one or two guys are leaving, he needs to fill in those spots sooner than later, IMO. Next year might be a very, very good MU team and waiting until June 1st would be a major gamble on Shaka's part. Sometimes you need to force someone's hand. If he thinks Omax is 70%gone he needs to replace him ASAP. If he comes back, you have another high level guy on the team.
IMO, there is quite likely a number of guys that are under the radar that has caught Shaka's attention. Those guys could be willing to take a flier and hope for 25 mpg, but know it could be 10-12 mpg.
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Sounds to me like Shaka expects 1 or both to be gone.
Using phrases like "most of our guys" and "vast majority of guys" seems to hint at a departure or 2.
https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1641857777915121665?t=hSiMYIF8W8xX_eDpgdGlNA&s=19
Maybe one or both leave but you’re taking a massive leap from a relatively innocuous comment.
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Sean: I don’t think it’s shaping up that his role will be larger next year.
Ben: if Omax and Oso stay, his role likely won’t be larger.
Oso/Omax: both have pro decisions
Definitely some honest discussions to be had if Oso and Omax decide to stay and for Sean with regards to the logjam at guard.
You make it sound like there are Brinks trucks full of money for Oso and O-Max. If they decide to go pro, it’s the G-League, not big contracts. My guess would be that they make just as much than if they declare.
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Coach Shaka is being respectful of his players. He is treating them as men and recognizing the realities of today's environment.
I'm optimistic in that I think they'll all be back. But if they're not, that's the beauty of Coach Shaka. He finds what he needs and coaches up!
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Sounds to me like Shaka expects 1 or both to be gone.
Using phrases like "most of our guys" and "vast majority of guys" seems to hint at a departure or 2.
https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1641857777915121665?t=hSiMYIF8W8xX_eDpgdGlNA&s=19
I think you're reading into it too much. Why would anyone on the team still be waiting to put their name into the portal?
Three of our players put theirs in earlier this week within 24 hours of each other.
Oso and Omax haven't drawn enough NBA interest yet for them to declare. Sure they may go through the motions, but I'm not sure either of them are ready.
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I think you're reading into it too much. Why would anyone on the team still be waiting to put their name into the portal?
Three of our players put theirs in earlier this week within 24 hours of each other.
Oso and Omax haven't drawn enough NBA interest yet for them to declare. Sure they may go through the motions, but I'm not sure either of them are ready.
It's not about the portal anymore. It's about several guys exploring pro options, which is still a possibility.
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It's not about the portal anymore. It's about several guys exploring pro options, which is still a possibility.
I accounted for that. A CHANCE at being drafted in the 2nd round is a terrible reason to declare for the draft.
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Maybe one or both leave but you’re taking a massive leap from a relatively innocuous comment.
First time seeing his posts??
He does that on literally everything haha.
Tried saying "rumors are Bynum is playing" in Prov game against us. When literally all of Twitter and providence boards had pictures of Bynum in street clothes at shoot around
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Hunter Dickinson in the portal as a grad transfer. Strong rumors he’s GTown bound
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Tyrese 2 MU aina?
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Where is this talk of Oso going pro coming from? I haven't seen anything indicating there's a chance he goes pro, no mock drafts for next year or anything. IMO he's one of the least likely to leave given his skillset..
I can see it for Omax. He at least was around 50 in that one recent mock from the Athletic.
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It's not about the portal anymore. It's about several guys exploring pro options, which is still a possibility.
Yup, both might be back, both might be gone.
Shaka's comments just seem to be that he's preparing for at least someone who played minutes last year to be leaving.
I trust him either way. Just the reality of the situation.
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Hunter Dickinson in the portal, Justin Moore rumored to follow.
Should that happen, Maryland or Georgetown are rumored to be the favorite.
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Hunter Dickinson in the portal as a grad transfer. Strong rumors he’s GTown bound
Dickinson would not be a grad transfer. He is only 3 years out of high school. With the COVID year he should have two years of eligibility left.
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I accounted for that. A CHANCE at being drafted in the 2nd round is a terrible reason to declare for the draft.
There are many more professional options besides the NBA. Who knows what these guys are thinking or what they want to do. I don't think Shaka would make a comment like that if he didn't expect a little more shakeup with the roster. We'll see.
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Dickinson would not be a grad transfer. He is only 3 years out of high school. With the COVID year he should have two years of eligibility left.
What does being only 3 years out of HS have to do with graduating from college? Do you not know how credits work?
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Dickinson would not be a grad transfer. He is only 3 years out of high school. With the COVID year he should have two years of eligibility left.
He can still declare for the NBA. Portal to see what $$ he can land. If no good options, go pro.
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He can still declare for the NBA. Portal to see what $$ he can land. If no good options, go pro.
Can’t be offered NIL $ as an incentive in recruiting
But, that has nothing to do with wisblues crazy town post
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Can’t be offered NIL $ as an incentive in recruiting
And people call me naive.
Nijel Pack on line 1.
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Can’t be offered NIL $ as an incentive in recruiting
But, that has nothing to do with wisblues crazy town post
For sure. Very unlikely players transferring will be offered NIL money from entities not tied to universities. Just like kids choose the college, not the coaches
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He can still declare for the NBA. Portal to see what $$ he can land. If no good options, go pro.
With Scheierman getting $500k - $600k from Creighton, I wonder what the standard is for a big-time transfer. Seems to be more $$ than going to the G league or lower tier Euro.
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With Scheierman getting $500k - $600k from Creighton, I wonder what the standard is for a big-time transfer. Seems to be more $$ than going to the G league or lower tier Euro.
Nijel Pack got a 2 year deal at $400k per year and now hes in a Final Four.
Imagine being in College having school paid for and a signed $800k contract.
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With Scheierman getting $500k - $600k from Creighton, I wonder what the standard is for a big-time transfer. Seems to be more $$ than going to the G league or lower tier Euro.
Just to satisfy our boards own Mr. Pedantic, he's not getting $500-$600K directly from Creighton. He's getting $500 - $600K from completely independent, non-affiliated parties that would pay him that amount regardless of where (or even if) he plays basketball.
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There are many more professional options besides the NBA. Who knows what these guys are thinking or what they want to do. I don't think Shaka would make a comment like that if he didn't expect a little more shakeup with the roster. We'll see.
Zero players leave college early to go pro anywhere but the NBA.
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With Scheierman getting $500k - $600k from Creighton, I wonder what the standard is for a big-time transfer. Seems to be more $$ than going to the G league or lower tier Euro.
Talk about overpaying for a recruit. My lord.
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Talk about overpaying for a recruit. My lord.
You know things are crazy when Kentucky is the moral compass.
https://kyinsider.com/uk-director-of-player-development-confirms-kentucky-will-not-guarantee-nil-money/ (https://kyinsider.com/uk-director-of-player-development-confirms-kentucky-will-not-guarantee-nil-money/)
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You know things are crazy when Kentucky is the moral compass.
https://kyinsider.com/uk-director-of-player-development-confirms-kentucky-will-not-guarantee-nil-money/ (https://kyinsider.com/uk-director-of-player-development-confirms-kentucky-will-not-guarantee-nil-money/)
Not that crazy to state, “we are not committing violations!!”
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With Scheierman getting $500k - $600k from Creighton, I wonder what the standard is for a big-time transfer. Seems to be more $$ than going to the G league or lower tier Euro.
Scheierman made less than Nijel Pack did this year... He got a lot of NIL but not "600k"
Most of the ridiculous numbers with him come from insane Kentucky fans.
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Not that crazy to state, “we are not committing violations!!”
No, but basically calling on twitter those out who do. Stating they wont guarantee NIL because they don't need to, not saying they wont guarantee NIL because its a violation.
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Zero players leave college early to go pro anywhere but the NBA.
See Carton, DJ
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See Carton, DJ
Brendan Bailey also says hello
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Zero players leave college early to go pro anywhere but the NBA.
This is simply not true. Most at least test the NBA waters but there have been plenty of players who knew they had no realistic shot of making the NBA but still went pro knowing that playing overseas or in the G-league was the likely the outcome. Hell, our own Harry Froling left college early to go pro in Australia.
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This is simply not true. Most at least test the NBA waters but there have been plenty of players who knew they had no realistic shot of making the NBA but still went pro knowing that playing overseas or in the G-league was the likely the outcome. Hell, our own Harry Froling left college early to go pro in Australia.
On a semi related topic, I wonder how many players enter the portal and don't end up at a school (sort of musical chairs)
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This is simply not true. Most at least test the NBA waters but there have been plenty of players who knew they had no realistic shot of making the NBA but still went pro knowing that playing overseas or in the G-league was the likely the outcome. Hell, our own Harry Froling left college early to go pro in Australia.
Okay. I don't see Omax or Oso following that route though.
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Okay. I don't see Omax or Oso following that route though.
Between the NLI and every expense is covered by MU, Hawaii not bad coming up, staying in college is more lucrative then playing for 36,000 dollars in the G league!
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Okay. I don't see Omax or Oso following that route though.
I don't see Oso doing that.
OMax already has international playing experience. I don't know if that makes him more or less willing to risk playing overseas but could see a logical argument for why it might make him more willing. He also has a legitimate chance to make the the NBA. Maybe not by getting drafted, but he has the size, length, athleticism, and skillset that modern NBA teams are looking for. All it takes is OMax to believe that one team is going to take a flier on him (either by drafting him or signing him to a 2-way contract) and that he could work his way onto a roster.
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Brendan Bailey also says hello
And Mayo, Todd
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And Mayo, Todd
OJ's brother?
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OJ's brother?
Drink
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On a semi related topic, I wonder how many players enter the portal and don't end up at a school (sort of musical chairs)
A lot. Several hundred. (Eg > 25%)
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A lot. Several hundred. (Eg > 25%)
Better than entering the portal and ending up at a worse spot than you were before.
I think some guys just want to be flattered by the recruiting process again, especially now that there is more money accessible to the sport.
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500-600K is insane for Schiermann.
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Muggsy
I learned a long time ago that it is only money. Kentucky paid guys 100k thirty years ago. I hope every guy breaks the bank.
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Muggsy
I learned a long time ago that it is only money. Kentucky paid guys 100k thirty years ago. I hope every guy breaks the bank.
One player MU was involved with was Sam Bowie, Visited MU and Kentucky, MU was outbid
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BC
And I think being outbid is accurate. As you know, we were very close to landing Sam.
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BC
And I think being outbid is accurate. As you know, we were very close to landing Sam.
Saw him at the Arena when he made his official visit. Back in this days the recruits sat on press row court side opposite the scorer’s table. Saw his name tag on the table. 40 some years ago now!
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I will unload my portfolio and 1st edition Ulysses if we get Wemby. Otherwise I'm staying put.
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Nukem
I remember Sam being on press row and thought he was going to end up being a Warrior. One of the highest, if not highest, ever MU recruit and it was damn close.
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I just scanned the Badger Board ( "Buckyville") and I almost soiled myself. There seems to be a belief that Gard has secured 2 "silent commits" ( their words) from 2 players in the transfer portal. Which immediately took me back a few years to when the Hauser boys were contemplating their futures. And Buckyville was all abuzz at the time because they believed Gard had obtained "silent verbals" for both to come to Madison.
Now, I don't follow recruiting as much as others do. Can someone tell me what's stronger, a "silent verbal" or a "silent commit"? Or is this a B10 thing?
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I just scanned the Badger Board ( "Buckyville") and I almost soiled myself. There seems to be a belief that Gard has secured 2 "silent commits" ( their words) from 2 players in the transfer portal. Which immediately took me back a few years to when the Hauser boys were contemplating their futures. And Buckyville was all abuzz at the time because they believed Gard had obtained "silent verbals" for both to come to Madison.
Now, I don't follow recruiting as much as others do. Can someone tell me what's stronger, a "silent verbal" or a "silent commit"? Or is this a B10 thing?
Is a silent commit better or worse than a DoneDeal?
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Yea, the badger silent commitment appears again :). Another ETR mechanism to try to instill faith into Gard. Or then claim shenanigans happened when they don’t materialize.
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I just scanned the Badger Board ( "Buckyville") and I almost soiled myself. There seems to be a belief that Gard has secured 2 "silent commits" ( their words) from 2 players in the transfer portal. Which immediately took me back a few years to when the Hauser boys were contemplating their futures. And Buckyville was all abuzz at the time because they believed Gard had obtained "silent verbals" for both to come to Madison.
Now, I don't follow recruiting as much as others do. Can someone tell me what's stronger, a "silent verbal" or a "silent commit"? Or is this a B10 thing?
Maybe the silent commits passed Gard a note in study hall.
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Who’s the MU booster that’s going to pay these unnamed transfers from verbalizing their silent commitment to UW this time?
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I would not predict any particular player entering the portal, but I would think that a contributing player that is entering his junior season without having started a single game and wasn’t likely to be a starter in his third year (and potentially even in his fourth due to others’ “COVID years”) would have a lot to think about. And would have a lot of people in his ear.
This is what concerns me.
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I would not predict any particular player entering the portal, but I would think that a contributing player that is entering his junior season without having started a single game and wasn’t likely to be a starter in his third year (and potentially even in his fourth due to others’ “COVID years”) would have a lot to think about. And would have a lot of people in his ear.
This is what concerns me.
I would be concerned about him, also.
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Some personal trainer had videos working Joplin and a high school freshman out in Marquette’s practice gym yesterday.
I was pretty close with Scott Christopherson our freshman year and I remember when he decided he was transferring he’d call me to go shoot around at the Rec Center.
Obviously Jop could decide he wants to transfer at any time, but having 3 players enter the portal and exit interviews happening this past week I feel like they wouldn’t be giving someone outside the program access to train him in the Al if there was some thought he’d be leaving.
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Some personal trainer had videos working Joplin and a high school freshman out in Marquette’s practice gym yesterday.
I was pretty close with Scott Christopherson our freshman year and I remember when he decided he was transferring he’d call me to go shoot around at the Rec Center.
Obviously Jop could decide he wants to transfer at any time, but having 3 players enter the portal and exit interviews happening this past week I feel like they wouldn’t be giving someone outside the program access to train him in the Al if there was some thought he’d be leaving.
Jop got plenty of minutes and was Big East Sixth Man of The Year. Still has room to grow and should be even more of a menace to rivals next season.
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So based on the speculation, we will build a team around Stevie and Sean Jones.
Hope Shaka is active in the portal.
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I think you're reading into it too much. Why would anyone on the team still be waiting to put their name into the portal?
Three of our players put theirs in earlier this week within 24 hours of each other.
Oso and Omax haven't drawn enough NBA interest yet for them to declare. Sure they may go through the motions, but I'm not sure either of them are ready.
The question is whether they test the NBA waters. If they do, it puts Shaka in a hard place. He can wait to see if they decide to stay in the draft or he can go after really good transfers to try to replace them. I suspect, if they enter the NBA draft , they will also enter the portal just in case their scholarship goes to another player.
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I would not predict any particular player entering the portal, but I would think that a contributing player that is entering his junior season without having started a single game and wasn’t likely to be a starter in his third year (and potentially even in his fourth due to others’ “COVID years”) would have a lot to think about. And would have a lot of people in his ear.
This is what concerns me.
[/quote) I agree. I am more worried about a non-starter leaving.
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Some personal trainer had videos working Joplin and a high school freshman out in Marquette’s practice gym yesterday.
I was pretty close with Scott Christopherson our freshman year and I remember when he decided he was transferring he’d call me to go shoot around at the Rec Center.
Thank god the Rec Center is closed
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Nijel Pack got a 2 year deal at $400k per year and now hes in a Final Four.
Imagine being in College having school paid for and a signed $800k contract.
We don't have to imagine it. It's happening. And it's great that the athletes who make college basketball possible finally are getting slices of the multi-billion-dollar pie.
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We don't have to imagine it. It's happening. And it's great that the athletes who make college basketball possible finally are getting slices of the multi-billion-dollar pie.
I was moreso saying put yourself in that position as a 20 year old in college with $800k and think of what that would've been like for you, but sure.
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One of my favorite Marquette fits is Josiah Allick.
He's an undersized center at 6'8" but he played the 4 for New Mexico because they had a larger center.
About 240 lbs, but averaged around 8 points and just over 7 rebounds a game. He's a wider body but is super athletic. Would be a solid rebounding option in the front court but also has that athleticism to work in the Big East.
Not sure Marquette will even contact him because it'd be an "out there" addition, but he'd be great as a backup center and maybe would be open to it as it would be a step up in level of play for him.
https://youtu.be/FW9FC1RtNV0
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I was moreso saying put yourself in that position as a 20 year old in college with $800k and think of what that would've been like for you, but sure.
Is like you’re a baseball player.
Glad to see hoops catch up with America’s pastime
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If the only outward movement we have from a top 10 team is a non-starter, I will be very happy, even if it’s Joplin. Don’t want him to go but better him than someone like Kam or Oso
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If the only outward movement we have from a top 10 team is a non-starter, I will be very happy, even if it’s Joplin. Don’t want him to go but better him than someone like Kam or Oso
Yep.
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The replies to this tweet are great...
https://twitter.com/tobias_bass/status/1641937885623377923?t=Qj9C1dcwXpOEo8qeh9dxKQ&s=09
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The replies to this tweet are great...
https://twitter.com/tobias_bass/status/1641937885623377923?t=Qj9C1dcwXpOEo8qeh9dxKQ&s=09
I really like the "you posted this a day early, right?"
And I bought one of those cool hummingbird feeders. Just had to own one.
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How would Hunter Dickinson look in blue and gold, rather than blue and maize.
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How would Hunter Dickinson look in blue and gold, rather than blue and maize.
Slow.
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We don't have to imagine it. It's happening. And it's great that the athletes who make college basketball possible finally are getting slices of the multi-billion-dollar pie.
It's not good for the game and it also makes them less likely to get an education imo.
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Slow.
Slow, no doubt. But to slow I would add strong and tough.
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Some personal trainer had videos working Joplin and a high school freshman out in Marquette’s practice gym yesterday.
I was pretty close with Scott Christopherson our freshman year and I remember when he decided he was transferring he’d call me to go shoot around at the Rec Center.
Obviously Jop could decide he wants to transfer at any time, but having 3 players enter the portal and exit interviews happening this past week I feel like they wouldn’t be giving someone outside the program access to train him in the Al if there was some thought he’d be leaving.
I was disappointed when Christopherson transferred. Crean never gave him a chance and he wasn’t the type of player Buzz valued (because he could actually shoot). We could’ve used him on some of those first Buzz teams and he ended up being a good player for Iowa State.
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I was disappointed when Christopherson transferred. Crean never gave him a chance and he wasn’t the type of player Buzz valued (because he could actually shoot). We could’ve used him on some of those first Buzz teams and he ended up being a good player for Iowa State.
He did hit that huge shot in Cincinnati.
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I was moreso saying put yourself in that position as a 20 year old in college with $800k and think of what that would've been like for you, but sure.
Fair.
That’s about 100,000 times what I typically had on my pocket when I was at MU!
It's not good for the game and it also makes them less likely to get an education imo.
We’ll agree to disagree. The game is healthier than ever, and kids have all kinds of educational opportunities.
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I was disappointed when Christopherson transferred. Crean never gave him a chance and he wasn’t the type of player Buzz valued (because he could actually shoot). We could’ve used him on some of those first Buzz teams and he ended up being a good player for Iowa State.
Yeah it was a bummer for him to leave but probably a better fit at ISU. If I remember correctly, he missed a few games early with a knee injury. Tough enough for a freshman to break into the rotation of a veteran team whose 3 best players were guards. Even tougher when you miss games early.
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Slow.
Damn, must be the best slow player in the nation
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Slow, no doubt. But to slow I would add strong and tough.
He’s a dirtbag
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He’s a dirtbag
I wasn't even a fan of his Wisconsin rants. Not a fan.
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I can’t think of a worse fit in Shaka’s system than a slow, plodding, back to the basket big. The rebounding and post scoring would be nice. But he’d totally change the dynamic of a top 10 offense, and not defend anyone.
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I wasn't even a fan of his Wisconsin rants. Not a fan.
Yeah, if you want to talk big, back it up. On top of that, he plays dirty
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I can’t think of a worse fit in Shaka’s system than a slow, plodding, back to the basket big. The rebounding and post scoring would be nice. But he’d totally change the dynamic of a top 10 offense, and not defend anyone.
He’d fit with GTown and Maryland, assuming the Hoyas look like Cooley’s Dence teams
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How would Hunter Dickinson look in blue and gold, rather than blue and maize.
Not a good fit.
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I was pretty close with Scott Christopherson our freshman year and I remember when he decided he was transferring he’d call me to go shoot around at the Rec Center.
Hi chicos. 8-)
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He’d fit with GTown and Maryland, assuming the Hoyas look like Cooley’s Dence teams
Don’t think I’d want to face him twice a year unless we land an aircraft carrier that fits Shaka ball
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It's not good for the game and it also makes them less likely to get an education imo.
It's great for the game. More talent is staying in college rather than leaving early to go pro. Not sure how it would make it less likely for someone to get an education
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Houston’s Tramon Mark in the portal while declaring himself eligible for the draft.
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Houston’s Tramon Mark in the portal while declaring himself eligible for the draft.
I’d be very interested.
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Don’t think I’d want to face him twice a year unless we land an aircraft carrier that fits Shaka ball
Yeah, I don't get people saying they would not want Dickenson at MU. He blocks shots, is a good passer, has averaged 18 points a game for his career, and is a good team player.
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Yeah, I don't get people saying they would not want Dickenson at MU. He blocks shots, is a good passer, has averaged 18 points a game for his career, and is a good team player.
if he wanted to play for shaka, it would have to be on shaka's terms. if shaka takes him, he's going to win or he's going to ride the pines
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Yeah, I don't get people saying they would not want Dickenson at MU. He blocks shots, is a good passer, has averaged 18 points a game for his career, and is a good team player.
Please tell me this is an April Fool's response.
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Please tell me this is an April Fool's response.
what am I missing re: Dickinson?
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what am I missing re: Dickinson?
Agreed. I have not been following Michigan basketball closely. What’s the dirt?
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Marquette could have a top 10 team in the preseason next year and you want to bring in a guy who will expect 25-30 minutes?
Dickinson isn't the problem himself, the problem is adding a player that could totally change team chemistry because of the minutes he would expect. If the 9 remaining players all come back next year, there isn't a glaring need, so Shaka has to be very careful on how he wants to fill any open spots.
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Marquette could have a top 10 team in the preseason next year and you want to bring in a guy who will expect 25-30 minutes?
Dickinson isn't the problem himself, the problem is adding a player that could totally change team chemistry because of the minutes he would expect. If the 9 remaining players all come back next year, there isn't a glaring need, so Shaka has to be very careful on how he wants to fill any open spots.
Never really understood this angle.
Of course “fit” and “chemistry” matters, but that’s already in place if everyone stays.
Dickinson, or any Dickinson type, doesn’t come in and change the chemistry or style of play.
He either gets slotted in when Marquette needs a different style of play- eg late in games with a lead needing a bruiser/rebounder down low in a slower pace of play
OR, he wants to showcase his own ability to run up and down the court and flourish in that existing top 10 offensive system, to show folks at the next level what he can do.
Coach Shaka holds the ropes, so worst case scenario if said high ranking incomer doesn’t like what he sees he rides pine, or packs it up.
This is Shakas time to shine, he’s COY and leading a likely top 10 team.
He brings who he wants, and whoever comes in plays by his rules
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It's not good for the game and it also makes them less likely to get an education imo.
Exactly. A college education is worth about $200,000. There are too many people involved that don’t value that.
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Marquette could have a top 10 team in the preseason next year and you want to bring in a guy who will expect 25-30 minutes?
Dickinson isn't the problem himself, the problem is adding a player that could totally change team chemistry because of the minutes he would expect. If the 9 remaining players all come back next year, there isn't a glaring need, so Shaka has to be very careful on how he wants to fill any open spots.
Gotcha. My question was more from a perspective of him potentially being a bad guy and I was unaware. Understand your reasoning now.
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Exactly. A college education is worth about $200,000. There are too many people involved that don’t value that.
It’s worth that much or it costs that much?
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Exactly. A college education is worth about $200,000. There are too many people involved that don’t value that.
I asked Muggsy and didn't get an answer. How exactly does players making NIL money keep them from getting an education?
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Exactly. A college education is worth about $200,000. There are too many people involved that don’t value that.
Silliness.
NIL keeps kids in college and gives them a chance to progress toward degrees. Additionally, the game is healthier and more exciting than ever. And obviously it's not being dominated by a handful of programs ... as those who would be included in everybody's "handful" will be watching a 4-seed and 5-seed battle for the NCAA title in 2 days.
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Yeah, I don't get people saying they would not want Dickenson at MU.
On the court he would slow down the pace and demand the ball. How would he coexist with Oso? I wouldn't be confident in his ability to manage switches on defense. He's a great Big 10 big, but there's a reason those teams flame out when they do.
More than that is the off court, though. The chatter, the podcast, maybe it's just his NIL bit but it's a constant distraction and this team has been great at avoiding those distractions.
If the staff feels otherwise, that's their prerogative, but I think there are better on and off court fits for this program and culture.
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It’s worth that much or it costs that much?
Bingo!
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I just scanned the Badger Board ( "Buckyville") and I almost soiled myself. There seems to be a belief that Gard has secured 2 "silent commits" ( their words) from 2 players in the transfer portal. Which immediately took me back a few years to when the Hauser boys were contemplating their futures. And Buckyville was all abuzz at the time because they believed Gard had obtained "silent verbals" for both to come to Madison.
Now, I don't follow recruiting as much as others do. Can someone tell me what's stronger, a "silent verbal" or a "silent commit"? Or is this a B10 thing?
Silent verbals are not a thing. At this point, why wait to commit? What would the point of the mystery be?
They're delusional.
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Those players are waiting/hoping for better deals ! ! ! 8-)
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Silent verbals are not a thing. At this point, why wait to commit? What would the point of the mystery be?
They're delusional.
They are a thing. Players commit days to months before publicly announcing their commitment. Unless you think Shaka is tuning into players Instagram announcements not already knowing the result.
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Silliness.
NIL keeps kids in college and gives them a chance to progress toward degrees. Additionally, the game is healthier and more exciting than ever. And obviously it's not being dominated by a handful of programs ... as those who would be included in everybody's "handful" will be watching a 4-seed and 5-seed battle for the NCAA title in 2 days.
82, I have also come to the same conclusion. It used to be that some schools would blatantly cheat and pay their players (or cheat in some other way) while the vast majority of other schools would pretty much play by the rules. Under the new rules, the cheaters get less of an advantage. Is that why there is more parity in college hoops, as we have seen this year? I'm not quite sure of that, but it certainly could be one of the reasons why.
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They are a thing. Players commit days to months before publicly announcing their commitment. Unless you think Shaka is tuning into players Instagram announcements not already knowing the result.
Specifically via the portal, sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Specifically via the portal, sorry if that wasn't clear.
Ah. Even so there is often a period of a days to even a week or two between between a transfer verballing and then officially announcing their commitment. It does happen. In rarer cases it can be month or two when a player needs to jump through some sort of academic hoop in order to qualify at the new school. Though the Badgers seem to lead the country in silent verbals that end up committing somewhere else.
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Ed Cooley with a swing and a miss on Eddie Lampkin.
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Ed Cooley with a swing and a miss on Eddie Lampkin.
Excellent news.
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Excellent news.
Are you anti Cooley and Co. now Hermie?
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Are you anti Cooley and Co. now Hermie?
Yes.
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Ed Cooley with a swing and a miss on Eddie Lampkin.
Guess Eddie wanted to duck that entire controversy.
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Dickinson despies Bucky and they despise him, so he would fit in that sense
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It’s worth that much or it costs that much?
I meant roughly what the the scholarship is worth short term. What the student-athlete would have to pay if they weren’t an athlete, just a student.
It can be worth much more down the road depending on major, work put in, doors opened through networking, etc.
I think that’s gotten lost in all of this. Too many people don’t value it.
Hopefully MU82 is right and NIL keeps kids in school longer and they earn their degrees. Hope they’re not just collecting the bag of cash and moving on.
I hope NIL doesn’t turn NCAA basketball into the G league in disguise. Imagine if Marquette had to pay up for Todd Mayo to stay. Professional basketball should be the way to get rid of those types of players from your program, not making your program into professional basketball so they can stay. Hope we don’t end up stuck in those murky waters. There’s already enough bad contracts in the NBA which makes that product difficult to watch and way overpriced to attend.
I also hope NIL doesn’t further drive up the cost of my non-division 1 athlete level progeny to attend a school like Marquette as plain old students.
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Ed Cooley with a swing and a miss on Eddie Lampkin.
Lampkin was never going to make a difference--he averaged fewer points than Qudus Wahab did.
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I will never understand why people would want the best talent to not play in college. "That dang Scoot Henderson wants some money to entertain me, he won't just play for the good of the education that he won't be using until after he's a multi-millionaire!"
Yeah, please give me the Scoot Hendersons of the world in college basketball.
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Silliness.
NIL keeps kids in college and gives them a chance to progress toward degrees. Additionally, the game is healthier and more exciting than ever. And obviously it's not being dominated by a handful of programs ... as those who would be included in everybody's "handful" will be watching a 4-seed and 5-seed battle for the NCAA title in 2 days.
so, pay a guy to keep him in school so he can get that degree? Talk about rationalization. How ‘bout this…’we want to win games so we’ll pay you.’
And I’m sure your ‘payroll’ check is in the mail.
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I also hope NIL doesn’t further drive up the cost of my non-division 1 athlete level progeny to attend a school like Marquette as plain old students.
NIL will not drive up the cost of attending any school, supply and demand will determine the cost of tuition.
It will divert resources from other areas to sports. Tuition and/or donation revenue will make its way to players. (note: no value judgment with this statement)
The biggest problem with the current NIL structure (or lack there of) is it creates an uneven playing field not seen in any other sport.
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Marquette could have a top 10 team in the preseason next year and you want to bring in a guy who will expect 25-30 minutes?
Dickinson isn't the problem himself, the problem is adding a player that could totally change team chemistry because of the minutes he would expect. If the 9 remaining players all come back next year, there isn't a glaring need, so Shaka has to be very careful on how he wants to fill any open spots.
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If I were Shaka I would offer the best offensive rebounder in the portal.
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If I were Shaka I would offer the best offensive rebounder in the portal.
Agree. Like that 7'5" transfer.
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I meant roughly what the the scholarship is worth short term. What the student-athlete would have to pay if they weren’t an athlete, just a student.
It can be worth much more down the road depending on major, work put in, doors opened through networking, etc.
I think that’s gotten lost in all of this. Too many people don’t value it.
Hopefully MU82 is right and NIL keeps kids in school longer and they earn their degrees. Hope they’re not just collecting the bag of cash and moving on.
I hope NIL doesn’t turn NCAA basketball into the G league in disguise. Imagine if Marquette had to pay up for Todd Mayo to stay. Professional basketball should be the way to get rid of those types of players from your program, not making your program into professional basketball so they can stay. Hope we don’t end up stuck in those murky waters. There’s already enough bad contracts in the NBA which makes that product difficult to watch and way overpriced to attend.
Left unsaid is the player that never gets a chance because some upperclassman decides to stay in college instead of going pro because the paycheck is now fatter if he sticks around.
It's a zero-sum situation. Every player that stays in school to collect NIL uses a scarce scholarship, which means for every player that stays to collect NIL means another player won't be able to get an offer.
I think it's naive to think that NIL is going to encourage players to stay in school to finish their degrees. The more likely a player is to earn a fat NIL package, the less the likelihood he is there for the educational opportunity. Ask yourself whether you truly believe that Nigel Pack is at Miami primarily because of the value of the degree he's going to earn.
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If I were Shaka I would offer the best offensive rebounder in the portal.
Who would you bench to play that offensive rebounder?
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Who would you bench to play that offensive rebounder?
Why would you have to bench anyone? We have one open spot why not fill it with a player to mitigate this teams obvious weakness.
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Why would you have to bench anyone? We have one open spot why not fill it with a player to mitigate this teams obvious weakness.
Well, if that offensive rebounder is going to mitigate the weakness, he has to be on the floor. And if he is on the floor, someone else has to be on the bench.
We have one open scholarship; we don't have one open space on the floor. The NCAA is not going to let Marquette run six guys next year.
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Well, if that offensive rebounder is going to mitigate the weakness, he has to be on the floor. And if he is on the floor, someone else has to be on the bench.
We have one open scholarship; we don't have one open space on the floor. The NCAA is not going to let Marquette run six guys next year.
So you would not rather fill that open schollie.
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So you would not rather fill that open schollie.
I never said that. It depends on who they fill it with. In fact, I might even support filling it with an outstanding offensive rebounder -- but if nobody else on the current roster leaves that offensive rebounder better bring a lot to the table to justify his minutes.
I was really just commenting on your "why would you have to bench anyone" comment. It's a zero sum situation. If a transfer gets minutes, he's going to be taking minutes from someone. So, back to the original question:
Who would you bench to play that offensive rebounder?
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It's great for the game. More talent is staying in college rather than leaving early to go pro. Not sure how it would make it less likely for someone to get an education
There's less talent now but more parity with many of the top players going straight to the G-League which I think is good for the game in many ways too.
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Injuries could open up some minutes next year as well.
Hopefully we can stay as healthy next year as we did this year but that seems unlikely.
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I think it's naive to think that NIL is going to encourage players to stay in school to finish their degrees. The more likely a player is to earn a fat NIL package, the less the likelihood he is there for the educational opportunity. Ask yourself whether you truly believe that Nigel Pack is at Miami primarily because of the value of the degree he's going to earn.
I'm still trying to understand this argument that making money somehow makes it less likely that someone can get an education. People keep saying it and I keep asking them to explain but no one responds. Does more money somehow make a player less likely to attend class or learn?
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https://twitter.com/john_fanta/status/1642275325492051968?s=61&t=HBoTnhHk1fDxhSikf7nbXw
Shaka makes light of the portal in this interview; every Big East Team will add a player except us.
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https://twitter.com/john_fanta/status/1642275325492051968?s=61&t=HBoTnhHk1fDxhSikf7nbXw
Shaka makes light of the portal in this interview; every Big East Team will add a player except us.
Interesting. Wonder if all 3 of the guys who entered the portal knew they'd have a scholarship available but saw the lack of minutes and decided to look elsewhere then.
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https://twitter.com/john_fanta/status/1642275325492051968?s=61&t=HBoTnhHk1fDxhSikf7nbXw
Shaka makes light of the portal in this interview; every Big East Team will add a player except us.
Uh oh! "The perfect home is where you are..."
Also, Shaka would have "traded any awards for the opportunity to be [still playing]". But don't tell scoopers that.
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https://twitter.com/john_fanta/status/1642275325492051968?s=61&t=HBoTnhHk1fDxhSikf7nbXw
Shaka makes light of the portal in this interview; every Big East Team will add a player "maybe except us..."
Fixed to reflect the actual quote. That "maybe" could prove significant.
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He gowne
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Uh oh! "The perfect home is where you are..."
Also, Shaka would have "traded any awards for the opportunity to be [still playing]". But don't tell scoopers that.
He was referring to his individual awards, not the conference and conference tourney titles, IMO.
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Uh oh! "The perfect home is where you are..."
Also, Shaka would have "traded any awards for the opportunity to be [still playing]". But don't tell scoopers that.
The only game left is the championship game... so yea... of course.
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https://twitter.com/john_fanta/status/1642275325492051968?s=61&t=HBoTnhHk1fDxhSikf7nbXw
Shaka makes light of the portal in this interview; every Big East Team will add a player except us.
Why is anyone surprised that MU is quiet on the transfers? Outside Aly Khalifa as an emergency Oso replacement, no one really makes sense for this team. (evanmiya has Khalifa as the 9th best player in the portal, 6th best center.) The entire top of the portal is Point Guard and Center heavy.
The staff doesn't want wing transfers who will be worse than Joplin or Gold next year. That's bad for team chemistry.
Their are two Wing/forwards worth it in my opinion. Chris Ledlum and Darrion Williams. Both have a zero percent chance of coming to Marquette unless OMax leaves for the draft today.
There is no one in the transfer portal who could slightly attempt to replace Omax better than our bench already.
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The only game left is the championship game... so yea... of course.
Well, the interview was before the FF. Also (and for VBMG) I'm mostly just poking the bear(s) that say they wouldn't trade the regular season for more NCAA wins. I've said it before, fairly or not, big time coaches get their final grade 90% off of their tournament performance. Shaka knows he got an A+ for the regular season, but only a B/C for his final grade.
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Well, the interview was before the FF. Also (and for VBMG) I'm mostly just poking the bear(s) that say they wouldn't trade the regular season for more NCAA wins. I've said it before, fairly or not, big time coaches get their final grade 90% off of their tournament performance. Shaka knows he got an A+ for the regular season, but only a B/C for his final grade.
Nah. Shaka got an A+ for his season. Had he lost to Vermont, it was an A-. Next year if he has the same season and loses 2nd round as a 2 seed again, then it's a B. S16 loss would be A-.
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Well, the interview was before the FF. Also (and for VBMG) I'm mostly just poking the bear(s) that say they wouldn't trade the regular season for more NCAA wins. I've said it before, fairly or not, big time coaches get their final grade 90% off of their tournament performance. Shaka knows he got an A+ for the regular season, but only a B/C for his final grade.
I think any of us would trade the conference championships for the Final Four.
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Well, the interview was before the FF. Also (and for VBMG) I'm mostly just poking the bear(s) that say they wouldn't trade the regular season for more NCAA wins. I've said it before, fairly or not, big time coaches get their final grade 90% off of their tournament performance. Shaka knows he got an A+ for the regular season, but only a B/C for his final grade.
I place more value than most on the NCAA tournament - but not 90%. Giving the consensus college basketball COY a B/C for a final grade is harsh. An A++ to an A is fair - nothing lower.
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Texas kid who played for Shaka leaving UNR… https://twitter.com/on3sports/status/1642924277623054338?s=46&t=i0a7kojdtoV7frYNlGygVw
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Texas kid who played for Shaka leaving UNR… https://twitter.com/on3sports/status/1642924277623054338?s=46&t=i0a7kojdtoV7frYNlGygVw
Intrigued
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Texas kid who played for Shaka leaving UNR… https://twitter.com/on3sports/status/1642924277623054338?s=46&t=i0a7kojdtoV7frYNlGygVw
Presumably would have to sit a year, right?
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Presumably would have to sit a year, right?
No. Expects to graduate. Play one year, immediately (Sat Covid year, has already played 3 non Covid seasons).
Problem is he left Texas one game into year 2. Shaka had sat him. Wouldn’t think this could be a match.
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Intrigued
Why, because he’s the perfect Ben Gold replacement? 😂
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staff related swing and a miss for Cooley
https://twitter.com/tiptonedits/status/1642936406757589011?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
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Why, because he’s the perfect Ben Gold replacement? 😂
Gold’s gone ☹️
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Gold’s gone ☹️
Is this for real or just some inside joke?
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Is this for real or just some inside joke?
It's a joke. there has not been any information (to date) that would lead people to think that Gold is leaving. If anything Gold should want to at least stay long enough to see what OMax is doing. If he some how ends up getting drafted, Gold's table would be set for signifiant minutes next year.
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Jokes are for jokers!
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Is this for real or just some inside joke?
It's "shtick".
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Cryer and Abmas in the portal. So many big names moving.
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It's "shtick".
Crean sucks.
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Cryer and Abmas in the portal. So many big names moving.
Wonder if Cryer is a Jerome Tang guy?
Abmas follow his coach?
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I love Ben Gold's upside. I said it on scoop last year that Ben is the coming of the next Bill Walton. I truly believe he will be a great Warrior.
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I love Ben Gold's upside. I said it on scoop last year that Ben is the coming of the next Bill Walton. I truly believe he will be a great Warrior.
Looking forward to Gold doing color commentary on ESPN stoned out of his mind and with a great Kiwi accent.
Who's better on TV drunk Harry Carry (RIP) or stoned Bill Walton?
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Presumably would have to sit a year, right?
Even if he wasn't a grad, he pretty much sat out 2020-21, so he'd likely be immediately eligible because he sat for his first transfer.
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Crean sucks.
Damn wright he duz, aina?
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Who's better on TV drunk Harry Carry (RIP) or stoned Bill Walton?
FIFY. No need to be redundant
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FIFY. No need to be redundant
LOL. Thank you.
Can we get Walton to pronounce players names backwards? Always a Harry Carey favorite of mine.
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Russel Tchewa
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Why is anyone surprised that MU is quiet on the transfers? Outside Aly Khalifa as an emergency Oso replacement, no one really makes sense for this team. (evanmiya has Khalifa as the 9th best player in the portal, 6th best center.) The entire top of the portal is Point Guard and Center heavy.
The staff doesn't want wing transfers who will be worse than Joplin or Gold next year. That's bad for team chemistry.
Their are two Wing/forwards worth it in my opinion. Chris Ledlum and Darrion Williams. Both have a zero percent chance of coming to Marquette unless OMax leaves for the draft today.
There is no one in the transfer portal who could slightly attempt to replace Omax better than our bench already.
Agree with all of this.
I've got buddies who text me every time somebody hits the portal, and they were especially all over Dickinson. When I told them that, strange as it may seem, Shaka probably wouldn't be interested in Dickinson because of the way Shaka wants to play, and Dickinson wouldn't be interested at all because there wouldn't be minutes for him, they thought that sounded insane.
If O-Max, Oso, Gold and Joplin stay, our main need will be a big who is willing to play 10-20 minutes depending on foul trouble/game situations. Some games, he'd get even fewer minutes than that. A second transfer-portal option would be a shooter, but again to play over whom?
We were a top-10 team this season, we're ranked in most too early top-5s for next season (assuming everyone's back), and we're bringing in good recruits.
Two years ago, Shaka had significant playing time to offer Kolek, Morsell and Kuath. This year, if everybody stays, he doesn't have that.
Every time I see a name hit the portal, I try to think like Shaka would, not like a fan would. That's not easy, but that's what I try to do.
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David Jones of St. Johns (and formerly DePaul) into the portal--he was their 2nd leading scorer at 13.2 ppg after Soriano.
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David Jones of St. Johns (and formerly DePaul) into the portal--he was their 2nd leading scorer at 13.2 ppg after Soriano.
Honestly a solid fit if OMax is out.
Fills in immediately with his 13 ppg and 7 rpg.
Would he want to try out his 3rd Big East team? Haha
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David Jones of St. Johns (and formerly DePaul) into the portal--he was their 2nd leading scorer at 13.2 ppg after Soriano.
Talk about a total new team next year, Soriano and a bunch of transfers.
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Talk about a total new team next year, Soriano and a bunch of transfers.
And a coach with a pulse that commands respect.
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Honestly a solid fit if OMax is out.
Fills in immediately with his 13 ppg and 7 rpg.
Would he want to try out his 3rd Big East team? Haha
Dudes a chucker not much of a fit
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Big East entries:
David Jones, St. Johns.
Sheriff Mitchell, Creighton
Da Sean Nelson, DePaul
Simas Lukosius, Butler
Jayden Pierre, returns to Providence.
Efton Reid, Gonzaga, former top 30 recruit, 7 ft, 240. Was backup at LSU one year, transferred to Gonzaga for one year. This is a perfect backup/playing time player for MU.
Maryland has hired Mike Jones from Virginia Tech as an assistant coach. This is a huge addition for Maryland, since Jones was the long time coach at DeMatha High School and a leader/participant of the AAU programs in the DMV and the National Junior teams. Hunter Dickerson played for him at DeMatha and Maryland is probable destination now. Jones also coached Jordan Hawkins and Justin Moore, and many high level players in Div I.
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I'd take either of Lukosius or Reid.
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Dudes a chucker not much of a fit
Agreed - definitely doesnt seem like a locker room fit.
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Former top 100 C Logan Duncomb lands at Xavier. Was seldom used in two years at Indiana.
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Tyler Wahl back at UW-Madison.
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Tyler Wahl back at UW-Madison.
Their fans complained that this was the worst and least entertaining season in however long, so they decide to run it back with the same boring undertalented roster.
Bold strategy Cotton.
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Their fans complained that this was the worst and least entertaining season in however long, so they decide to run it back with the same boring undertalented roster.
Bold strategy Cotton.
Wahl isn’t very good.
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Wahl isn’t very good.
He will be coming off the bench. They have 3 or 4 silent commitments from the portal so far.
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Tyler Wahl back at UW-Madison.
That should give a nice boost to their NIT chances next season.
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He will be coming off the bench. They have 3 or 4 silent commitments from the portal so far.
Until wealthy Marquette alums pay them to go elsewhere.
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Lukosius was one dude I thought could fit into Shaka ball
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I'd take either of Lukosius or Reid.
This would be Reid’s third stop in 3 years and his mom is a piece of work - hard pass.
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Marquette (Portal Report) has reached out to D2 Nova Southeastern F Jonathan Pierre along with 79 other schools:
https://twitter.com/jonchep/status/1642885971690569730?s=46&t=YbeKDQs_Y6Wb5gMg4g4b-Q
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That should give a nice boost to their NIT chances next season.
…they beat us on our court. I’m still, ah, ‘red’ over that. Hopefully Chucky moves along.
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Would love to get a big guy who can rebound and score down low Like UConn has 2 big guys who seem to share the time.
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Marquette (Portal Report) has reached out to D2 Nova Southeastern F Jonathan Pierre along with 79 other schools:
https://twitter.com/jonchep/status/1642885971690569730?s=46&t=YbeKDQs_Y6Wb5gMg4g4b-Q
Watched the D2 National Championship game. That kid can play. Great passer.
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Harrison Ingram, 6ft 8, 220lbs PF, Stanford.
Top 20 2022 recruit, McDonalds AA, PAC 12 Freshman of the Year. Went to high school in Dallas.
Marquette target and was offered. Someone going to get a really nice player and won't be surprised if he is rated #1 portal candidate.
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Pierre looks like a pretty good fit, with or without Omax returning. Of all of the guys mentioned, he has my attention.
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Pierre looks like a pretty good fit, with or without Omax returning. Of all of the guys mentioned, he has my attention.
Along with
Duke
LSU
Missouri
Oklahoma
Memphis
Miami
Arkansas
Arizona
Georgia
Vanderbilt
Notre Dame
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest
TCU
Loyola Chicago
Florida
Tulane
Temple
South Florida
SMU
Tulsa
Dayton
VCU
St Bonaventure
Richmond
Utah Tech
Toledo
Boston
Charleston
UAB
North Texas
Elon
Drake
Northeastern
Marshall
UMBC
Arkansas State
Milwaukee
Murray State
Troy
San Francisco
UC San Diego
Cal State Fullerton
Tennessee State
Portland State
Northern Kentucky
Chattanooga
UMass
Montana State
Winthrop
Campbell
Iowa
UCSB
UC Irvine
Hofstra
North Texas
Robert Morris
Cleveland State
Penn
Yale
Iona
Marist
Toledo
Ohio
Kent State
Drake
UIC
New Mexico
South Carolina
UNLV
FDU
Sacred Heart
Tennessee Tech
Samford
Northwestern State
Saint Louis
North Dakota State
South Alabama
St Mary's
I love "phone call" reporting season
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“My list is EVERYONE, except a, b and c”
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Pierre is a late bloomer. Averaged 4.1 ppg and 1.6 rpg (39% FG, 34% 3FG) as a frosh but jumped up to 15 ppg, 5 rpg, 3 apg as a sophomore while shooting 51% FG & 41% 3FG.
Will be interesting to see where he lands.
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I love Da'Sean Nelson as a backup for Oso as well. A few inches smaller but brings that toughness and physicality that a rebounding center does.
https://youtu.be/cGcNBTDSuuQ
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all of this speculation is a lot of fun, but I like MU's team going into 2023-4 as it is. I figure that team would beat any of the final 4 in 2 of 3 games. They played one bad game on the wrong day in a single elimination tournament. OK, move on... that's still one heckufa team.
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I never said that. It depends on who they fill it with. In fact, I might even support filling it with an outstanding offensive rebounder -- but if nobody else on the current roster leaves that offensive rebounder better bring a lot to the table to justify his minutes.
I was really just commenting on your "why would you have to bench anyone" comment. It's a zero sum situation. If a transfer gets minutes, he's going to be taking minutes from someone. So, back to the original question:
Taking minutes from some other player does not "bench" a player. When Gold or Jop are on the floor did they "bench" Oso or Omax? Did Chase or Sean "bench" Ty, Kam or Stevie? So how would the best offensive rebounder on the transfer portal " bench" anyone?
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Taking minutes from some other player does not "bench" a player. When Gold or Jop are on the floor did they "bench" Oso or Omax? Did Chase or Sean "bench" Ty, Kam or Stevie? So how would the best offensive rebounder on the transfer portal " bench" anyone?
Actually, yes. When you put Jop and Gold in, someone goes to the bench. If Shaka brings in an offensive rebounder, when he plays, someone else will have to sit on the bench. You can set the word apart using quotations marks to make it seem more ominous or permanent, but it doesn't change the fact: if someone subs in, someone has to go to the bench. It's just another way of saying he's going to be taking minutes from someone.
So, if you prefer to discuss it in those terms, whose minutes are you going to give to the offensive rebounder?
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Taking minutes from some other player does not "bench" a player. When Gold or Jop are on the floor did they "bench" Oso or Omax? Did Chase or Sean "bench" Ty, Kam or Stevie? So how would the best offensive rebounder on the transfer portal " bench" anyone?
I think you're ignoring context.
Nobody's talking about "benching" a player in the context of a coach permanently removing a player from the rotation.
It's the observation that if you bring in a new player who is not replacing someone departing, those minutes will come at the expense of a current player.
For example, Oso played 31 minutes per game (32 in conference). If you bring in a position player who is capable of playing more than 8 or 9 minutes per game as a backup, you're by definition benching Oso (by cutting back his minutes) in favor of the new recruit. In this context, reducing Oso's minutes from 32 to, say 22, to give a new player 18 mpg is a form of benching.
The examples of Chase and Sean are irrelevant because they had minutes available to them created by the departure of Greg, Daryl and Kur.
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Taking minutes from some other player does not "bench" a player. When Gold or Jop are on the floor did they "bench" Oso or Omax? Did Chase or Sean "bench" Ty, Kam or Stevie? So how would the best offensive rebounder on the transfer portal " bench" anyone?
We already have 12 scholarship players. Shaka will probably use a 9 man rotation next season. 10 man rotation at very most. So at least 2 players and likely a 3rd are already "benched" in the sense that they are outside the rotation next season. If you add a 13th scholarship player who is good enough to be in that main rotation, that means the 9th or 10th guy who was going to be in the rotation will now be outside of that rotation, effectively "benching" them.
Now that is life in the big city. But my guess is that Shaka will not add a guy just to add a guy. Good news is that we are in a position where we can be picky and he should have no shortage of players interested in playing for a preseason top 10 team.
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David Jones of St. Johns (and formerly DePaul) into the portal--he was their 2nd leading scorer at 13.2 ppg after Soriano.
Doesn't he have to sit out a year because it's his second transfer?
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But my guess is that Shaka will not add a guy just to add a guy. Good news is that we are in a position where we can be picky and he should have no shortage of players interested in playing for a preseason top 10 team.
Shaka said in that interview with Fanta that everyone else in the conference will probably be adding from the portal "except maybe us." Unless someone unexpected leaves, there's no reason to add.
Honestly, the best move might be to fill the roster spot with another freshman that can sit most of the year and develop. Or a sit-out transfer, though there aren't many of those.
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Think it's at least worth considering that Shaka may target a transfer that has to sit a year. Covid eligibility kinda throws a wrench into the works, but getting someone acclimated to the system for a year so that they're more familiar with their role within it once a potential combination of TKO/OMax/Oso leave wouldn't be the worst thing. I know Sean/Jop/Ben are kinda slotted to fill those roles now, but more competition wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Think it's at least worth considering that Shaka may target a transfer that has to sit a year. Covid eligibility kinda throws a wrench into the works, but getting someone acclimated to the system for a year so that they're more familiar with their role within it once a potential combination of TKO/OMax/Oso leave wouldn't be the worst thing. I know Sean/Jop/Ben are kinda slotted to fill those roles now, but more competition wouldn't be a bad thing.
You alluded to the problem with this approach: Kolek, Omax and Oso could each stay two more years if they exercise their COVID years.
If you accept that they're welcome to stay (as they surely would be) and they choose to do so, it means we're already one over the scholarship limit for 2024 when you include Damarius Owens. Add Royce Parnham or Isiah Abraham and we're two over. Now you add a sit-out transfer (or even a player with more than one year of eligibility remaining) who would put MU at 3 over. I don't see it happening.
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We already have 12 scholarship players. Shaka will probably use a 9 man rotation next season. 10 man rotation at very most. So at least 2 players and likely a 3rd are already "benched" in the sense that they are outside the rotation next season. If you add a 13th scholarship player who is good enough to be in that main rotation, that means the 9th or 10th guy who was going to be in the rotation will now be outside of that rotation, effectively "benching" them.
Now that is life in the big city. But my guess is that Shaka will not add a guy just to add a guy. Good news is that we are in a position where we can be picky and he should have no shortage of players interested in playing for a preseason top 10 team.
Disagree….as the roster currently stands, there will certainly be a shorter list of interested players than some other teams due to the lack of playing time that can be offered.
Players desire to go to a school where they can play>>>>playing on a top ten team with limited minutes.
I can see Shaka adding a D2/NAIA type player with something to prove or a 5th year/grad player who would be happy in a limited role. But there isn’t going to be alot of 6’10” studs knocking down the door to play for 12 minutes/game. Shaka recruited these players on the team and isn’t going to recruit over those players for one year through the portal. He has said he would rather put his energy and efforts into the players he has.
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You alluded to the problem with this approach: Kolek, Omax and Oso could each stay two more years if they exercise their COVID years.
If you accept that they're welcome to stay (as they surely would be) and they choose to do so, it means we're already one over the scholarship limit for 2024 when you include Damarius Owens. Add Royce Parnham or Isiah Abraham and we're two over. Now you add a sit-out transfer (or even a player with more than one year of eligibility remaining) who would put MU at 3 over. I don't see it happening.
I would put the odds of all three staying two more years as incredibly low, especially when two of them are already starting to appear on the tail ends of mock drafts.
Always be recruiting, the scholarship situation will work itself out.
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Disagree….as the roster currently stands, there will certainly be a shorter list of interested players than some other teams due to the lack of playing time that can be offered.
Players desire to go to a school where they can play>>>>playing on a top ten team with limited minutes.
I can see Shaka adding a D2/NAIA type player with something to prove or a 5th year/grad player who would be happy in a limited role. But there isn’t going to be alot of 6’10” studs knocking down the door to play for 12 minutes/game. Shaka recruited these players on the team and isn’t going to recruit over those players for one year through the portal. He has said he would rather put his energy and efforts into the players he has.
There are plenty of players who prioritize maximizing playing time over playing for a contender. There are also plenty of players who prioritize playing for a contender over maximizing playing time. There are even players who could maximize playing time while playing for a contender.
We are fortunate to be in a position where we are picky not desperate.
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There are plenty of players who prioritize maximizing playing time over playing for a contender. There are also plenty of players who prioritize playing for a contender over maximizing playing time. There are even players who could maximize playing time while playing for a contender.
We are fortunate to be in a position where we are picky not desperate.
Probably the main reason Warren Washington and manny bates didn’t come here to play.
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Probably the main reason Warren Washington and manny bates didn’t come here to play.
Probably. We also weren't projected to be a contender this time last season.
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Doesn't he have to sit out a year because it's his second transfer?
Maybe. Will ask for a waiver bc he didn’t want to be around strippers
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"Schools that have reached out on 6-foot-10 @SetonHallMBB transfer Tyrese Samuel
SEC (Florida)
PAC-12’s (Colorado amongst others)
ACC (Wake Forest, Virginia amongst others)
Big 12 (K-State, Oklahoma amongst others)
Big East (most schools)"
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"Schools that have reached out on 6-foot-10 @SetonHallMBB transfer Tyrese Samuel
SEC (Florida)
PAC-12’s (Colorado amongst others)
ACC (Wake Forest, Virginia amongst others)
Big 12 (K-State, Oklahoma amongst others)
Big East (most schools)"
I have a friend who is high up in SH's Athletic Department. He knows Samuel will not be taking a reduced roll and wants to go somewhere that he would be the starting center.
He also said he wouldn't be surprised if he ended up back with Willard.
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Probably. We also weren't projected to be a contender this time last season.
Neither were Butler or ASU. Both ended up as starters on their respective teams.
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Kerr Kriisa commits to Huggy and WVU. Woulda been interesting to see him at X, but oh well.
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Neither were Butler or ASU. Both ended up as starters on their respective teams.
I'm aware. Maybe if a contender had wanted them it would have been different. Maybe not.
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Kerr Kriisa commits to Huggy and WVU. Woulda been interesting to see him at X, but oh well.
Huggy trotted out Jordan McCabe as a starter for a surprisingly long time, so I don't think Kriisa's low shooting percentage will be an issue.
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Ugonna Onyenso, Kentucky, 7ft, 240, top 30 2022 recruit. Like Reid from Gonzaga, great size and highly ranked recruits out of high school.
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Always be recruiting, the scholarship situation will work itself out.
This. Always this.
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https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/1643688752378781719?t=6peMcIhL89DhndkOQYiT2w&s=19
"We've now reached the portion of the portal where players that are staying have their people reaching out to programs to let them know the number that will need to be beaten to get them to change their mind on staying."
College Hoops will be completely ruined at this rate. At least ruined in a way that makes it less entertaining for the fan. Good for the money earners.
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https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/1643688752378781719?t=6peMcIhL89DhndkOQYiT2w&s=19
"We've now reached the portion of the portal where players that are staying have their people reaching out to programs to let them know the number that will need to be beaten to get them to change their mind on staying."
College Hoops will be completely ruined at this rate. At least ruined in a way that makes it less entertaining for the fan. Good for the money earners.
Easy solution. Make them employees
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https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/1643688752378781719?t=6peMcIhL89DhndkOQYiT2w&s=19
"We've now reached the portion of the portal where players that are staying have their people reaching out to programs to let them know the number that will need to be beaten to get them to change their mind on staying."
College Hoops will be completely ruined at this rate. At least ruined in a way that makes it less entertaining for the fan. Good for the money earners.
Why does this ruin anything?
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Easy solution. Make them employees
2 year contracts are the only way this will work moving forward imo
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all of this speculation is a lot of fun, but I like MU's team going into 2023-4 as it is. I figure that team would beat any of the final 4 in 2 of 3 games. They played one bad game on the wrong day in a single elimination tournament. OK, move on... that's still one heckufa team.
I agree with this. Any transfer in could ruin the team's chemistry.
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Badgers get a "no longer silent" commitment Noah Reynolds, a guard from Wyoming.
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Badgers get a "no longer silent" commitment Noah Reynolds, a guard from Wyoming.
A guy with concussion issues, an offensive rating under 100 while hoisting a lot of shots, doesn’t rebound and shot 33% from 3 for the worst team in the Mountain West. I guess that’s a big pickup
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A guy with concussion issues, an offensive rating under 100 while hoisting a lot of shots, doesn’t rebound and shot 33% from 3 for the worst team in the Mountain West. I guess that’s a big pickup
You forgot "worst defensive box +/- on the 198th best defense."
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You forgot "worst defensive box +/- on the 198th best defense."
It’s a depth move that allows them to replace Jordan Davis, I suppose. He’s much more dynamic for sure.
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It’s a depth move that allows them to replace Jordan Davis, I suppose. He’s much more dynamic for sure.
He's a big upgrade offensive over Kamari McGee and Isaac Lindsey. If Gard can turn him into a serviceable defender, he'll be a solid backup.
Badgers seem very 8 seed-ish to me. Just enough to keep Gard around, at least one more year.
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He's a big upgrade offensive over Kamari McGee and Isaac Lindsey. If Gard can turn him into a serviceable defender, he'll be a solid backup.
Badgers seem very 8 seed-ish to me. Just enough to keep Gard around, at least one more year.
Yeah, McGee should probably prepare his speech about falling out of love with basketball and getting those transfer papers in sooner than later.
Lindsay isn’t a major conference player.
They actually got slightly worse in TRank adding Reynolds 🫣
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He got sumthin most uw Madison guys not got aina
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Huggy trotted out Jordan McCabe as a starter for a surprisingly long time, so I don't think Kriisa's low shooting percentage will be an issue.
McCabe is probably going to be going back to West Virginia as part of staff
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Badgers seem very 8 seed-ish to me. Just enough to keep Gard around, at least one more year.
8 seed-ish in the NIT?
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He got sumthin most uw Madison guys not got aina
Melanin?
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LOTS of smoke on Ryan Nembhard going to Arizona. From a pretty damn reliable chain, it sounds like Zona is coming with close to a million dollars and Nembhard is giving CU time to get to a comparable number. However, said source said he's "gone gone". Take it for what it's worth.
If true, just highlights how GD annoying this era could be. Nembhard was BE ROY, given the keys from day 1 on a great team, and yet because Zona has more resources than Creighton and Tommy Lloyd recruited his brother Andrew, he could be gone just like that.
We'll see, but would be a wild domino effect.
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As someone who despises Creighton and UW I'd love to see Hepburn replace him.
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LOTS of smoke on Ryan Nembhard going to Arizona. From a pretty damn reliable chain, it sounds like Zona is coming with close to a million dollars and Nembhard is giving CU time to get to a comparable number. However, said source said he's "gone gone". Take it for what it's worth.
If true, just highlights how GD annoying this era could be. Nembhard was BE ROY, given the keys from day 1 on a great team, and yet because Zona has more resources than Creighton and Tommy Lloyd recruited his brother Andrew, he could be gone just like that.
We'll see, but would be a wild domino effect.
That would be a crazy amount of money for a good, not great, player.
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LOTS of smoke on Ryan Nembhard going to Arizona. From a pretty damn reliable chain, it sounds like Zona is coming with close to a million dollars and Nembhard is giving CU time to get to a comparable number. However, said source said he's "gone gone". Take it for what it's worth.
If true, just highlights how GD annoying this era could be. Nembhard was BE ROY, given the keys from day 1 on a great team, and yet because Zona has more resources than Creighton and Tommy Lloyd recruited his brother Andrew, he could be gone just like that.
We'll see, but would be a wild domino effect.
Smoke building...
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1644046414740344832?t=A5C-LIkZwRDMjRwr1hHVQg&s=19
(https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1644046414740344832?t=A5C-LIkZwRDMjRwr1hHVQg&s=19)
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Smoke building...
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1644046414740344832?t=A5C-LIkZwRDMjRwr1hHVQg&s=19
(https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1644046414740344832?t=A5C-LIkZwRDMjRwr1hHVQg&s=19)
Man that sucks for Creighton and the Big East. I think we all feel their pain..
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Man that sucks for Creighton and the Big East. I think we all feel their pain..
Another reason to go donate to BTDNIL.
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Not an ideal situation, but Creighton can get a player of equivalent ability if Nembhard transfers.
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That would be a crazy amount of money for a good, not great, player.
Agreed. He's good so it hurts Creighton, but he's also overrated.
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Not an ideal situation, but Creighton can get a player of equivalent ability if Nembhard transfers.
Completely agree.
He's not that good.
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LOTS of smoke on Ryan Nembhard going to Arizona. From a pretty damn reliable chain, it sounds like Zona is coming with close to a million dollars and Nembhard is giving CU time to get to a comparable number. However, said source said he's "gone gone". Take it for what it's worth.
If true, just highlights how GD annoying this era could be. Nembhard was BE ROY, given the keys from day 1 on a great team, and yet because Zona has more resources than Creighton and Tommy Lloyd recruited his brother Andrew, he could be gone just like that.
We'll see, but would be a wild domino effect.
If the number is a million, I think Creighton could probably swing it. Might not just be about the money.
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Was never the biggest fan of Nembhard. They actually have a chance to upgrade if they got someone like Max Abmas.
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If the number is a million, I think Creighton could probably swing it. Might not just be about the money.
It's 100% money-related. Zona offered what Creighton wasn't able to get to.
Word is that Scheierman is back, Kaluma will declare for the NBA (not get the feedback he wants and then transfer), Alexander and Kalkbrenner will declare for the NBA (not get the feedback they want and come back).
If they can't afford Nembhard they can't afford Abmas. They're looking at Andrew Rohde from St. Thomas and Charles Pride from Bryant from the sounds of it. Also going to Florida to try and find a PG bigger than Nembhard.
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It's 100% money-related. Zona offered what Creighton wasn't able to get to.
Word is that Scheierman is back, Kaluma will declare for the NBA (not get the feedback he wants and then transfer), Alexander and Kalkbrenner will declare for the NBA (not get the feedback they want and come back).
If they can't afford Nembhard they can't afford Abmas. They're looking at Andrew Rohde from St. Thomas and Charles Pride from Bryant from the sounds of it. Also going to Florida to try and find a PG bigger than Nembhard.
Kaluma should transfer IMO. He's so much better than Creighton's offense allows him to be.
He could elevate his stock in a major way playing elsewhere.
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Was never the biggest fan of Nembhard. They actually have a chance to upgrade if they got someone like Max Abmas.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that.
Nembhard is a proven high major player with success in the BE and at the international level.
Abmas is a volume shooter who has feasted on terrible low major competition.
This past year against real teams?
St Marys: 4/11 for 14 pts
Houston: 1/13 for 3 pts
Duke: 4/15 for 12 pts
His best was against mid major Utah St where he was 5/12 for 17 pts. Also shot 22% from 3 in those games on 7 attempts a game.
Last year they played 1 non-con tourney team, Colo St, he was 8/22 (1/9 from 3) for 20 pts.
He's basically living off that hot run in the tourney from 2 seasons ago where he was on fire...and the fact that he scores tons against UMKC, Nebraska Omaha, and directional Dakotas and Illinois. I don't see him as an upgrade at all.
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Maybe that was too far with Abmas. Still not the biggest fan of Nembhard and wouldn’t lose sleep over it if I were a Creighton fan.
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I find it impossible to believe given the economics of college basketball that Ryan Nembhard is worth a million dollars. Particularly when you have very talented PG coming back as a sophomore.
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It's 100% money-related. Zona offered what Creighton wasn't able to get to.
Word is that Scheierman is back, Kaluma will declare for the NBA (not get the feedback he wants and then transfer), Alexander and Kalkbrenner will declare for the NBA (not get the feedback they want and come back).
If they can't afford Nembhard they can't afford Abmas. They're looking at Andrew Rohde from St. Thomas and Charles Pride from Bryant from the sounds of it. Also going to Florida to try and find a PG bigger than Nembhard.
Could certainly be. I've been led to believe that they have that kind of cash if needed. Maybe that kind of cash but not for a player like Nembhard.
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Could certainly be. I've been led to believe that they have that kind of cash if needed. Maybe that kind of cash but not for a player like Nembhard.
Absolutely, didn't mean to sound dismissive so my apologies.
Creighton definitely has deeper pockets than people think and a rabid fanbase as the only show in town. Was just passing along what I was told. We'll see if anyone else follows suit (Kaluma). Maybe since Nembhard and Alexander were so close Trey would be compelled to go back to Oklahoma with a ton of money too.
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As someone who despises Creighton and UW I'd love to see Hepburn replace him.
100%
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Lots of violations being discussed on here
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Absolutely, didn't mean to sound dismissive so my apologies.
Creighton definitely has deeper pockets than people think and a rabid fanbase as the only show in town. Was just passing along what I was told. We'll see if anyone else follows suit (Kaluma). Maybe since Nembhard and Alexander were so close Trey would be compelled to go back to Oklahoma with a ton of money too.
No need to apologize I didn't take your post as dismissive. I'm not doubting your information, you've always provided good insight, I'm just surprised at the number. I expected Big East schools to be outbid for recruits and transfers, just not Creighton.
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Nembhard is in portal now.
If Arizona offers this guy 1M, what is Kolek, Campbell from UCLA, Harris from Kansas, and others worth? That figure seems just way overboard.
Max Abmas’s coach from Oral Roberts is now at Witchita State, FYI.
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Kaluma should transfer IMO. He's so much better than Creighton's offense allows him to be.
He could elevate his stock in a major way playing elsewhere.
It wasn’t Creighton’s offense that held Kaluma back - it was his inconsistency and carelessness. IMO, Alexander has the biggest upside of anyone on their roster.
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Lots of violations being discussed on here
cute.
Maybe the university will be fined heavily like Miami was for the cavinder twins
https://www.haynesboone.com/news/alerts/ncaa-issues-first-nil-era-penalties-for-recruiting-violations (https://www.haynesboone.com/news/alerts/ncaa-issues-first-nil-era-penalties-for-recruiting-violations)
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Man that sucks for Creighton and the Big East. I think we all feel their pain..
They might be able to get Hunter Sallis to come home.
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Nembhard is in portal now.
If Arizona offers this guy 1M, what is Kolek, Campbell from UCLA, Harris from Kansas, and others worth? That figure seems just way overboard.
Max Abmas’s coach from Oral Roberts is now at Witchita State, FYI.
There is no limit to what they are worth, but Kolek would have to sit a year to transfer again so I wouldn't be surprised to see Shaka continue to add young transfers with a lot of eligibility (similar to OMax and TK when they transferred in). Their player retention would likely continue to be higher due to the players not being able to transfer again without sitting out.
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Kaluma should transfer IMO. He's so much better than Creighton's offense allows him to be.
He could elevate his stock in a major way playing elsewhere.
I don't agree at all. Dude is what he is, mediocre. Doesn't really demand the ball, doesn't really convert at a high level when he gets it. He can create some highlight reel plays due to his athleticism, but he's just a decent complimentary player. If he was better than Creighton's offense allows him to be, he'd be shooting better than 29.1% from three for his career, rebounding more, and turning it over less. As a freshman, he looked comparable to Justin Lewis, as a sophomore, he was just a guy. Considering how good some of the guys around him were, how good Creighton's offense was, and how good McDermott's offense has been historically, I find it hard to blame the system when the problem is more likely the least efficient offensive player in the starting lineup.
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Lots of violations being discussed on here
I’m sure the NCAA is looking into it
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I don't agree at all. Dude is what he is, mediocre. Doesn't really demand the ball, doesn't really convert at a high level when he gets it. He can create some highlight reel plays due to his athleticism, but he's just a decent complimentary player. If he was better than Creighton's offense allows him to be, he'd be shooting better than 29.1% from three for his career, rebounding more, and turning it over less. As a freshman, he looked comparable to Justin Lewis, as a sophomore, he was just a guy. Considering how good some of the guys around him were, how good Creighton's offense was, and how good McDermott's offense has been historically, I find it hard to blame the system when the problem is more likely the least efficient offensive player in the starting lineup.
Numbers-wise maybe, I'm not really fluent in metrics, but his skillset and body is much more like OMax than Justin.
OMax found a way to be one of the more efficient scorers in the country around the basket and improved his 3 point shooting as well in an offense that allows him to get open jump shots and attack the basket.
Watching highlight tapes, Kaluma and OMax are near identical in a lot of ways.
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I wish asswipes with 2 followers would stop trying to give me a stroke.
https://twitter.com/Bloocroo1/status/1644081715059515399
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It's 100% money-related. Zona offered what Creighton wasn't able to get to.
Word is that Scheierman is back, Kaluma will declare for the NBA (not get the feedback he wants and then transfer), Alexander and Kalkbrenner will declare for the NBA (not get the feedback they want and come back).
If they can't afford Nembhard they can't afford Abmas. They're looking at Andrew Rohde from St. Thomas and Charles Pride from Bryant from the sounds of it. Also going to Florida to try and find a PG bigger than Nembhard.
Haven't we discussed all year how foreign NIL isn't allowed?
Wasn't Nembhard on OMax's Canadian National Team?
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Haven't we discussed all year how foreign NIL isn't allowed?
Wasn't Nembhard on OMax's Canadian National Team?
1/ Do you think any NIL rules are being followed or will be enforced?
2/ Did you read the posts where the foreign players travel outside the US to collect payment.
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1/ Do you think any NIL rules are being followed or will be enforced?
2/ Did you read the posts where the foreign players travel outside the US to collect payment.
1) Yes, I would think so with the NCAA being strict with rules when something obvious presents itself.
2) No I did not.
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I wish asswipes with 2 followers would stop trying to give me a stroke.
https://twitter.com/Bloocroo1/status/1644081715059515399
Chapel Hill is a fun college town and all. However, Kam is in an ideal situation, his running mate Tyler has been quoted many times in interviews saying he wants Kam to shoot the ball every time he touches it. Impossible to replace that.
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Chapel Hill is a fun college town and all. However, Kam is in an ideal situation, his running mate Tyler has been quoted many times in interviews saying he wants Kam to shoot the ball every time he touches it. Impossible to replace that.
Maybe he wants to stand and not play defense while watching Bacot take 23 hook shots per game
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1) Yes, I would think so with the NCAA being strict with rules when something obvious presents itself.
2) No I did not.
Again, the limitation of foreigners not being eligible for NIL is not a NCAA rule, it’s a US Visa rule because they’re here on student visas, not work visas.
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If the number is a million, I think Creighton could probably swing it. Might not just be about the money.
You know the old saying; "when they say it's not about the money, it's not about the money"
I got that right?
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I wish asswipes with 2 followers would stop trying to give me a stroke.
https://twitter.com/Bloocroo1/status/1644081715059515399
Dude is a sockpuppet following only weird betting accounts and creighton accounts, followed by one "this mf paid for twitter" blue check and a random data page.
That there is trolling...
but I agree, I could do without that doubt in my life.
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Maybe he wants to stand and not play defense while watching Bacot take 23 hook shots per game
Let’s be honest, Kam likely just wants a cameo on Outer Banks of his own
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Let’s be honest, Kam likely just wants a cameo on Outer Banks of his own
Can't we just get Marcus Lemonis to get him on an episode of The Renovator instead?
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Maybe he wants to stand and not play defense while watching Bacot take 23 hook shots per game
Yes. Those Carolina guards and wings just stood around as Bacot got all the shots. Caleb Love’s departure opens up no shots for a guard to come in and replace, and RJ Davis never gets to shoot the ball.
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He gowne
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Can't we just get Marcus Lemonis to get him on an episode of The Renovator instead?
I'll even volunteer my house for this.
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Nembhard is in portal now.
If Arizona offers this guy 1M, what is Kolek, Campbell from UCLA, Harris from Kansas, and others worth? That figure seems just way overboard.
Max Abmas’s coach from Oral Roberts is now at Witchita State, FYI.
I'm sure the NCAA will come after Arizona very soon for tampering and illegal contact with Nembhard.
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I'm sure the NCAA will come after Arizona very soon for tampering and illegal contact with Nembhard.
Teal ?
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I'm sure the NCAA will come after Arizona very soon for tampering and illegal contact with Nembhard.
And DHS will be conducting a raid as well, deporting Nembhard. The Dept of Education will then forcibly close U of A.
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Dude is a sockpuppet following only weird betting accounts and creighton accounts, followed by one "this mf paid for twitter" blue check and a random data page.
That there is trolling...
but I agree, I could do without that doubt in my life.
Sadly so far some of these little weird accounts have been right but I think this one looks to be just an ass-hat. Kam has been radio silent on social media since the season ended. Of all of our guys I feel like he is the one I am most concerned about being shown $$$...wouldnt have to sit a year....
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Sadly so far some of these little weird accounts have been right but I think this one looks to be just an ass-hat. Kam has been radio silent on social media since the season ended. Of all of our guys I feel like he is the one I am most concerned about being shown $$$...wouldnt have to sit a year....
Kam is quite easily our best scorer, but I'm not worried about him one bit.
Could he leave? Sure. But he's in the perfect situation getting 30 minutes with an ultra green light in an ideal offensive system.
I also have confidence that if he did leave, Shaka would find a way to make Chase Ross just as good if not better with increased minutes. I trust the system we have in place.
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And DHS will be conducting a raid as well, deporting Nembhard. The Dept of Education will then forcibly close U of A.
Is University of Arizona considered an educational institution? ;)
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Kam is quite easily our best scorer, but I'm not worried about him one bit.
Could he leave? Sure. But he's in the perfect situation getting 30 minutes with an ultra green light in an ideal offensive system.
I also have confidence that if he did leave, Shaka would find a way to make Chase Ross just as good if not better with increased minutes. I trust the system we have in place.
If Kam leaves, it's for the money. I don't think its possible to have a better situation than what he has at Marquette. Familiarity, title contending team, ultimate green light and as many minutes as he can play. No other team can offer all of those factors. But other programs can certainly offer a ton of cash. If that's the case, hopefully Marquette can match.
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I also have confidence that if he did leave, Shaka would find a way to make Chase Ross just as good if not better with increased minutes. I trust the system we have in place.
If Kam leaves, it's for the money. I don't think its possible to have a better situation than what he has at Marquette. Familiarity, title contending team, ultimate green light and as many minutes as he can play
I don't think it's just cash.
Considering that Chase Ross is already being viewed here by some as someone who would be just as good if not better with increased minutes, Kam could very well be feeling the heat behind him and concerned about a reduced role going forward.
And that's before you consider what Lowry and Norman bring to the table.
In any event, I don't think he's going to get "as many minutes as he can play" since he probably wants to play more than the 30 mpg he's getting now. Given Chase's development and the fact we're adding two talented guards to the roster, It seems almost a certainty that he'll see fewer minutes next season.
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If Kam leaves, it's for the money. I don't think its possible to have a better situation than what he has at Marquette. Familiarity, title contending team, ultimate green light and as many minutes as he can play. No other team can offer all of those factors. But other programs can certainly offer a ton of cash. If that's the case, hopefully Marquette can match.
100% - You dont need to look far for an example of a guy getting all the minutes with a star role on a good team waiting for him (Nembhard). If Kam leaves its for $$$...if UNC is involved (which again this is probably BS from a Creighton fan bitter at a Willie Wampum account putting the Nembhard news out early and this account doubting it) then yeah maybe he would go there for the history and $$$.
Probably nothing but right now nothing can be assumed until practices start - hell even when the season starts
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I don't think it's just cash.
Considering that Chase Ross is already being viewed here by some as someone who would be just as good if not better with increased minutes, Kam could very well be feeling the heat behind him and concerned about a reduced role going forward.
And that's before you consider what Lowry and Norman bring to the table.
In any event, I don't think he's going to get "as many minutes as he can play" since he probably wants to play more than the 30 mpg he's getting now. Given Chase's development and the fact we're adding two talented guards to the roster, It seems almost a certainty that he'll see fewer minutes next season.
That's your problem. You're building an argument on a not very sturdy foundation. You're assuming people here know ball
If Kam leaves, signs point to $$. But then again people leave for all sorts of reasons:
Uniform colors
Girlfriends
Loves the James Taylor Song
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I'm going to hope that the opinions of some on Scoop aren't driving player transfer decisions.
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Is University of Arizona considered an educational institution? ;)
Only in comparison with Arizona State
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I don't think it's just cash.
Considering that Chase Ross is already being viewed here by some as someone who would be just as good if not better with increased minutes, Kam could very well be feeling the heat behind him and concerned about a reduced role going forward.
And that's before you consider what Lowry and Norman bring to the table.
In any event, I don't think he's going to get "as many minutes as he can play" since he probably wants to play more than the 30 mpg he's getting now. Given Chase's development and the fact we're adding two talented guards to the roster, It seems almost a certainty that he'll see fewer minutes next season.
I highly doubt a 2nd team All-BE player is going to be losing minutes (unless we are blowing teams out on a nightly basis).
Stevie, Chase, Sean, Tre, and Zaide will be competing for minutes with each other. It'll be fun to watch the competition play out. Plus, plenty of depth to cover for injuries.
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein
North Carolina transfer Caleb Love has committed to Michigan, per his Twitter page.
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I don't think it's just cash.
Considering that Chase Ross is already being viewed here by some as someone who would be just as good if not better with increased minutes, Kam could very well be feeling the heat behind him and concerned about a reduced role going forward.
And that's before you consider what Lowry and Norman bring to the table.
In any event, I don't think he's going to get "as many minutes as he can play" since he probably wants to play more than the 30 mpg he's getting now. Given Chase's development and the fact we're adding two talented guards to the roster, It seems almost a certainty that he'll see fewer minutes next season.
Kam does not feel any heat. Good grief. The guy is a stud.
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Kim does not feel any heat. Good grief. The guy is a stud.
Kim?
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Are we really spending any time discussing a possible transfer of arguably our most beloved player to UNC because bitter Creighton fan troll account @bloocroo1 was pissed that a Marquette fan called the Nembhard news a day early?? We're really doing this?
The guy has 2 followers, only tweets typical troll drivel, and 5 minutes after lashing out to an admitted Marquette fan tweets an absurd rumor regarding a Marquette player out of spite. Yet there are now discussions that Kam would leave because he's feeling the Chase Ross heat and he's secretly money-hungry for a bag only UNC can fulfill. Seriously, be better.
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I don't think it's just cash.
Considering that Chase Ross is already being viewed here by some as someone who would be just as good if not better with increased minutes, Kam could very well be feeling the heat behind him and concerned about a reduced role going forward.
And that's before you consider what Lowry and Norman bring to the table.
In any event, I don't think he's going to get "as many minutes as he can play" since he probably wants to play more than the 30 mpg he's getting now. Given Chase's development and the fact we're adding two talented guards to the roster, It seems almost a certainty that he'll see fewer minutes next season.
I can assure you there is no scenario where a healthy Kam Jones sees a decreased role and I'm sure he knows that.
Chase Ross will get the full reigns only when Kam decides to leave for professional opportunities. Chase is significantly more likely to take minutes from Stevie.
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I don't think it's just cash.
Considering that Chase Ross is already being viewed here by some as someone who would be just as good if not better with increased minutes, Kam could very well be feeling the heat behind him and concerned about a reduced role going forward.
And that's before you consider what Lowry and Norman bring to the table.
In any event, I don't think he's going to get "as many minutes as he can play" since he probably wants to play more than the 30 mpg he's getting now. Given Chase's development and the fact we're adding two talented guards to the roster, It seems almost a certainty that he'll see fewer minutes next season.
Kam strikes me as a very confident guy. I highly doubt he’s worried about Chase or the incoming freshman.
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Are we really spending any time discussing a possible transfer of arguably our most beloved player to UNC because bitter Creighton fan troll account @bloocroo1 was pissed that a Marquette fan called the Nembhard news a day early?? We're really doing this?
The guy has 2 followers, only tweets typical troll drivel, and 5 minutes after lashing out to an admitted Marquette fan tweets an absurd rumor regarding a Marquette player out of spite. Yet there are now discussions that Kam would leave because he's feeling the Chase Ross heat and he's secretly money-hungry for a bag only UNC can fulfill. Seriously, be better.
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Kam with Hubert Davis at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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“It’s so bad in the portal right now. I had a coach call me and say that some of his best head coaching friends are actively trying to recruit players on his roster away to their teams behind his back. That's how bad it is” - @GoodmanHoops
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I don't think it's just cash.
Considering that Chase Ross is already being viewed here by some as someone who would be just as good if not better with increased minutes, Kam could very well be feeling the heat behind him and concerned about a reduced role going forward.
And that's before you consider what Lowry and Norman bring to the table.
In any event, I don't think he's going to get "as many minutes as he can play" since he probably wants to play more than the 30 mpg he's getting now. Given Chase's development and the fact we're adding two talented guards to the roster, It seems almost a certainty that he'll see fewer minutes next season.
Yeah I mean that's just one guys (really bad) take
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Is University of Arizona considered an educational institution? ;)
The scenery is nice! 8-)
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I can assure you there is no scenario where a healthy Kam Jones sees a decreased role and I'm sure he knows that.
Chase Ross will get the full reigns only when Kam decides to leave for professional opportunities. Chase is significantly more likely to take minutes from Stevie.
So you're saying you were wrong to suggest Chase is equal to if not better than Kam?
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So you're saying you were wrong to suggest Chase is equal to if not better than Kam?
I didn't suggest that.
I said that Shaka could get Ross up to par or better than where Kam is at right now.
If Kam is here, he is the #1 scoring option and best offensive player at all times.
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If he does leave it gives Norman a chance to start. Or Lowery more importunity to see the court
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This bit about Kam leaving is bar none the dumbest non-rumor to gain traction on the scoop this offseason.
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Speaking of UNC cash. . . anyone know if Dawson got close to the $1M they told him he could make?
Have to believe his Jimmy Famous Seafood and local hotel deals didn’t add up to $1M.
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This bit about Kam leaving is bar none the dumbest non-rumor to gain traction on the scoop this offseason.
Don’t worry, it’s still really early. Scoop is just getting started.
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This bit about Kam leaving is bar none the dumbest non-rumor to gain traction on the scoop this offseason.
There is some kid in his parents basement in Omaha laughing his ass off right now.
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There is some kid in his parents basement in Omaha laughing his ass off right now.
Wait you mean the moron who quote tweeted a guy with two followers isn’t sure of the validity of the tweet?
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“It’s so bad in the portal right now. I had a coach call me and say that some of his best head coaching friends are actively trying to recruit players on his roster away to their teams behind his back. That's how bad it is” - @GoodmanHoops
Boo-hoo.
It’s always something. Stop whining, and earn your 8-figure salary by adjusting to the times.
Or quit. There’s no transfer portal for you to worry about if you're coaching public high school ball.
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein
North Carolina transfer Caleb Love has committed to Michigan, per his Twitter page.
Apparently he didn’t like seeing all the UNC shots this year be Bacot jump hooks.
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I didn't suggest that.
I said that Shaka could get Ross up to par or better than where Kam is at right now.
If Kam is here, he is the #1 scoring option and best offensive player at all times.
If Shaka could make Chase just as good or better than Kam, then why doesn’t Shaka do that?
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If Shaka could make Chase just as good or better than Kam, then why doesn’t Shaka do that?
Shaka will. Shaka will turn Oso into Kevin Garnett, and Ben Gold into Larry Bird. It’s all about timing, Shaka’s timing, perfect timing.
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I don't think it's just cash.
Considering that Chase Ross is already being viewed here by some as someone who would be just as good if not better with increased minutes, Kam could very well be feeling the heat behind him and concerned about a reduced role going forward.
And that's before you consider what Lowry and Norman bring to the table.
In any event, I don't think he's going to get "as many minutes as he can play" since he probably wants to play more than the 30 mpg he's getting now. Given Chase's development and the fact we're adding two talented guards to the roster, It seems almost a certainty that he'll see fewer minutes next season.
This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this board
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Apparently he didn’t like seeing all the UNC shots this year be Bacot jump hooks.
Love %shots… 28.4%
Bacot… 23.2% (although he went to the line a ton)
3 years of Love throwing up a crazy amount of shots while sucking at shooting. He wants a new start because he’s been a big disappointment relative to expectations.
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Love %shots… 28.4%
Bacot… 23.2% (although he went to the line a ton)
3 years of Love throwing up a crazy amount of shots while sucking at shooting. He wants a new start because he’s been a big disappointment relative to expectations.
Or his NIL dried up in Chapel Hill.
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Or his NIL dried up in Chapel Hill.
No loot if u can’t shoot
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No loot if u can’t shoot
No cash inbound if you can't rebound.
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No cash inbound if you can't rebound.
No Draft night if you can’t stay upright.
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No Draft night if you can’t stay upright.
Ha, you actually got to chuckle at this one
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If Shaka could make Chase just as good or better than Kam, then why doesn’t Shaka do that?
Because he has Kam available to him and Kam is better and can still develop even more.
Not that hard to understand. If Kam is here, he can develop even more to help this team. If he is gone then he can't. Pretty simple concepts.
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Not that hard to understand. If Kam is here, he can develop even more to help this team. If he is gone then he can't. Pretty simple concepts.
Sure, Kam can develop. Nobody said otherwise.
But you specifically said Chase can develop to be as good as or better than Kam. Usually the better player wins the starting role and the majority of the minutes. Pretty simple concept.
It sounds like you're now trying to argue that because Kam will continue to develop, Chase will never catch up--exactly the opposite of what you previously said.
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Sure, Kam can develop. Nobody said otherwise.
But you specifically said Chase can develop to be as good as or better than Kam. Usually the better player wins the starting role and the majority of the minutes. Pretty simple concept.
It sounds like you're now trying to argue that because Kam will continue to develop, Chase will never catch up--exactly the opposite of what you previously said.
It’s actually not what he said. He said if Kam were to leave he’s confident Chase could be developed to get to that level.
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Sure, Kam can develop. Nobody said otherwise.
But you specifically said Chase can develop to be as good as or better than Kam. Usually the better player wins the starting role and the majority of the minutes. Pretty simple concept.
It sounds like you're now trying to argue that because Kam will continue to develop, Chase will never catch up--exactly the opposite of what you previously said.
Doesn’t that explicitly mean that Kam is the better player now?
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It’s actually not what he said. He said if Kam were to leave he’s confident Chase could be developed to get to that level.
I'm questioning the "if" in the statement. I don't see why Chase's ceiling has anything to do with whether or not Kam remains on the roster.
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Hearing that UW is confident in getting a commitment from Marcus Domask.
Averaged 17/6/4 at Southern Illinois and is a good shooter at 6'7".
Scheduled visit with the Illini this weekend and probably UW next.
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Hearing that UW is confident in getting a commitment from Marcus Domask.
Averaged 17/6/4 at Southern Illinois and is a good shooter at 6'7".
Scheduled visit with the Illini this weekend and probably UW next.
whitie from the sticks, but of course UW would be interested
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Hearing that UW is confident in getting a commitment from Marcus Domask.
Averaged 17/6/4 at Southern Illinois and is a good shooter at 6'7".
Scheduled visit with the Illini this weekend and probably UW next.
Family has a Platteville connection.
As an aside, Mullins has loaded up with his recruits in the underclass and was able to develop Domask even though not his recruit. Rising star in the coaching ranks (also a MU and ND family connection).
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Hope he doesn't go to UW, he can ball!
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whitie from the sticks, but of course UW would be interested
But how the hell does a basketball player from SIU get accepted into UW-Madison?
Maybe Badger fans have not been honest about the academics at Madison. I'm shocked and feel betrayed.
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But how the hell does a basketball player from SIU get accepted into UW-Madison?
Maybe Badger fans have not been honest about the academics at Madison. I'm shocked and feel betrayed.
Hmm...Are not all UW's football players/recruits Rhodes Scholars? So they make an exception for Basketball. No big deal.
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Rumors now circulating that Arthur Kaluma is going to enter the draft with the intentions of following Nembhard to Arizona if he chooses to return to college.
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Rival's first Portal rankings.
Keeyan #84
Ellis not even ranked, must be considered "damaged goods" with his knee. Same as Wrightsil.
https://n.rivals.com/transfer_tracker/basketball/2023
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Rumors now circulating that Arthur Kaluma is going to enter the draft with the intentions of following Nembhard to Arizona if he chooses to return to college.
Neither of those would bother me a bit. Indeed, I rather like it!
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Hope he doesn't go to UW, he can ball!
agreed. This guy was under recruited out of high school. Has done quite well at SIU. Having lost two straight to RED, I really don’t want them improving any as we venture back to their joint in December.
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Rival's first Portal rankings.
Keeyan #84
Ellis not even ranked, must be considered "damaged goods" with his knee. Same as Wrightsil.
https://n.rivals.com/transfer_tracker/basketball/2023
Wonder what the criteria is for that list. I can’t imagine how Keeyan is ranked ahead of #85 Jared Bynum or many other players on that list.
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Rival's first Portal rankings.
Keeyan #84
Ellis not even ranked, must be considered "damaged goods" with his knee. Same as Wrightsil.
https://n.rivals.com/transfer_tracker/basketball/2023
There are 1000 guys in the transfer portal. Rivals has only ranked the top 150.
I wouldn't expect Ellis or Wrightsil to be in the top 15% of players in the portal.
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@hardwiredsports: Central Arkansas transfer Camren Hunter has committed to #Butler, per his Instagram. The 6-3 guard averaged 16.9 points and 3.9 assists per game while being named Third Team All-ASUN last season.
He has two years of eligibility remaining.
If I had any doubts that Thad was in the league's bottom coaching tier, moves like this erase it. Terrible against high majors, high usage, low efficiency, poor shooter, just not a lot to like.
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There are 1000 guys in the transfer portal. Rivals has only ranked the top 150.
I wouldn't expect Ellis or Wrightsil to be in the top 15% of players in the portal.
Surprised not to see Khalia Ranked.
Paveletzke is 52.
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https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/Article/Creighton-basketball-Greg-McDermott-sounds-off-on-transfer-portal-amid-exodus-of-Bluejays-players-208066130/
Creighton losing 4 players.
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https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/Article/Creighton-basketball-Greg-McDermott-sounds-off-on-transfer-portal-amid-exodus-of-Bluejays-players-208066130/
Creighton losing 4 players.
Maybe he should consider not making racist comments to his teams rather than blaming the transfer portal.
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Maybe he should consider not making racist comments to his teams rather than blaming the transfer portal.
Yea, that didn't happen at all.
The year McDermott got in trouble for his comments, his players on the team and the Creighton higher ups defended McDermott, and the school opted to fire his staff and extend him. He lost a total of one recruit. The school and his players backed him.
This year he tried leave the school to get the Notre Dame Job, reading on the wall that 1. Creighton is becoming a harder job 2. players were using it as a stepping stone and 3. members of his team were about to leave.
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https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/Article/Creighton-basketball-Greg-McDermott-sounds-off-on-transfer-portal-amid-exodus-of-Bluejays-players-208066130/
Creighton losing 4 players.
nemhard is a big loss, but the two end of bench scholarship players and walk on leaving will really be the end of McDermott and creighton as we know it
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Yea, that didn't happen at all.
Umm...no one disputed the comments, not even McDermott. He apologized for them, so those happened, no argument.
I would agree that he didn't blame the portal, however. His comments were not to blame the departing players and to remember that Creighton has taken advantage of transfers in the past, so fans shouldn't go blaming Nembhard and company now. And as panda mentioned, the only real loss here is Nembhard. Maybe Shtolzberg develops into something, but I doubt anyone inside the program will lose sleep.
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Man...I was bullish on Butler last year because of Bates, Hunter, and Ali, along with Lukosius and Harris back. I really thought they should challenge for a tourney berth. Instead, they were terrible. They were the worst Big East team once conference play started per Torvik (yes, worse than DePaul or Georgetown).
Now, today, they add three guys who are relatively mediocre, but are absolutely terrible against high-level competition. Here are the additions with Pomeroy Offensive ratings and Tier A+B ratings used:
Camren Hunter
2023 #333 Central Arkansas / Adj ORtg 102.6 / Tier A+B 88.5
2022 #319 Central Arkansas / Adj ORtg 98.8 / Tier A+B 76.2
Landon Moore
2023 #336 St Francis (PA) / Adj ORtg 109.9 / Tier A+B 93.7
Pierre Brooks
2023 #26 Michigan St / Adj ORtg 94.5 / Tier A+B 75.5
2022 #42 Michigan St / Adj ORtg 82.2 / Tier A+B 73.0
Bascially, all guys that historically clean up on cupcakes and are objectively terrible when faced with quality competition. Even Brooks, despite playing for a good program, saw his minutes dwindle in conference play and went from a guy who played 30+ minutes in their PK85 games back in November to three straight DNPs in the NCAA Tournament.
Matta is done. What he did last year was with some of the best talent in the portal. Now he's getting the bottom of the barrel. Hard to imagine he'll do better with lesser players.
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Man...I was bullish on Butler last year because of Bates, Hunter, and Ali, along with Lukosius and Harris back. I really thought they should challenge for a tourney berth. Instead, they were terrible. They were the worst Big East team once conference play started per Torvik (yes, worse than DePaul or Georgetown).
Now, today, they add three guys who are relatively mediocre, but are absolutely terrible against high-level competition. Here are the additions with Pomeroy Offensive ratings and Tier A+B ratings used:
Camren Hunter
2023 #333 Central Arkansas / Adj ORtg 102.6 / Tier A+B 88.5
2022 #319 Central Arkansas / Adj ORtg 98.8 / Tier A+B 76.2
Landon Moore
2023 #336 St Francis (PA) / Adj ORtg 109.9 / Tier A+B 93.7
Pierre Brooks
2023 #26 Michigan St / Adj ORtg 94.5 / Tier A+B 75.5
2022 #42 Michigan St / Adj ORtg 82.2 / Tier A+B 73.0
Bascially, all guys that historically clean up on cupcakes and are objectively terrible when faced with quality competition. Even Brooks, despite playing for a good program, saw his minutes dwindle in conference play and went from a guy who played 30+ minutes in their PK85 games back in November to three straight DNPs in the NCAA Tournament.
Matta is done. What he did last year was with some of the best talent in the portal. Now he's getting the bottom of the barrel. Hard to imagine he'll do better with lesser players.
If they don't get bates back this year, they might go winless in conference play.
https://hoop-explorer.com/TeamEditor?addedPlayers=PiBrooks%3AMichigan%20St.%3A2022%2F23%3BLaMoore%3ASaint%20Francis%20%28PA%29%3A2022%2F23%3BCaHunter%3ACentral%20Ark.%3A2022%2F23&gender=Men&showGrades=&showOnlyCurrentYear=false&showOnlyTransfers=false&superSeniorsBack=true&team=Butler&transferMode=true&year=2023%2F24&
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Maybe he should consider not making racist comments to his teams rather than blaming the transfer portal.
Best heckle I heard this year at the Big East tournament from a Xavier fan.
“Greg, what kind of shutters do you have in your house?”
Gave me a good chuckle.
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But how the hell does a basketball player from SIU get accepted into UW-Madison?
Maybe Badger fans have not been honest about the academics at Madison. I'm shocked and feel betrayed.
Hey, my children went there!!!
Maybe the real question is why would anyone take an academic step down from Carbondale to Madison!
Harvard: The SIU of Cambridge!!!!
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Hey, my children went there!!!
Maybe the real question is why would anyone take an academic step down from Carbondale to Madison!
Harvard: The SIU of Cambridge!!!!
LOL. I know some good and accomplished people folks from SIU. I think it is top notch for becoming a pilot. (could be mistaken). I'm a fan.
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Shoulda stayed with Northern KY and brought Darrin Horn a tourney W
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agreed. This guy was under recruited out of high school. Has done quite well at SIU. Having lost two straight to RED, I really don’t want them improving any as we venture back to their joint in December.
He committed to Illinois
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Domask to Illinois
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1645454148702203905?s=46&t=i0a7kojdtoV7frYNlGygVw
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Sorry to see him leave Southern Illinois. They had a pretty good season this year.
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He committed to Illinois
Silent verbal fail again?
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Bo cooled on him
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Jackson Paveletzke commits to Iowa State.
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1645462610505080833?t=BwfzmyF4EItAeN3co-eBmg&s=19
(https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1645462610505080833?t=BwfzmyF4EItAeN3co-eBmg&s=19)
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Jackson Paveletzke commits to Iowa State.
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1645462610505080833?t=BwfzmyF4EItAeN3co-eBmg&s=19
(https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1645462610505080833?t=BwfzmyF4EItAeN3co-eBmg&s=19)
He's my brother-in-law's cousin. Was talking about him Saturday with my BIL and all he said was "only school he immediately ruled out was WI. They didn't recruit him originally and he hates their offense." I couldn't help but grin.
On a side note, Iowa State continues to get good WI players.
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He's my brother-in-law's cousin. Was talking about him Saturday with my BIL and all he said was "only school he immediately ruled out was WI. They didn't recruit him originally and he hates their offense." I couldn't help but grin.
On a side note, Iowa State continues to get good WI players.
Otzelberger is a very good coach. I am very happy he is already at a power conference school that he can win with.
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Also, its not official yet, but i am very happy that AJ Storr might end up going Wisconsin.
He was a bad version of AJ Reeves (from PC) in his only year at St. John's.
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Also, its not official yet, but i am very happy that AJ Storr might end up going Wisconsin.
He was a bad version of AJ Reeves (from PC) in his only year at St. John's.
If Marquette needed a wing, Storr is one guy who I would contact. Not sure why you don't like him. Nice looking freshman last year.
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Also, its not official yet, but i am very happy that AJ Storr might end up going Wisconsin.
I don't know. They have been in dire need of an athlete on the wing.
I just want to know why Storr would want to play in that system.
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I don't know. They have been in dire need of an athlete on the wing.
I just want to know why Storr would want to play in that system.
NIL involving George Webb, Culver's and Kwik Trip?
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Silent verbal fail again?
Wisconsin may have a silent verbal but Illinois has a a very audible verbal.
Soon Illinois will have a transcribed verbal that they can shove where the sun don’t shine on that deplorable Rodent.
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Also, its not official yet, but i am very happy that AJ Storr might end up going Wisconsin.
He was a bad version of AJ Reeves (from PC) in his only year at St. John's.
Seems like I've read that about half a dozen plays in this thread so far this offseason.
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Domask to Illinois
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1645454148702203905?s=46&t=i0a7kojdtoV7frYNlGygVw
Nice!
Love when the Badgers miss out.
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If Marquette needed a wing, Storr is one guy who I would contact. Not sure why you don't like him. Nice looking freshman last year.
Same. He's one of the very best in the portal. Is there actual mutual interest? I'd hate that.
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I don't know. They have been in dire need of an athlete on the wing.
I just want to know why Storr would want to play in that system.
He probably wants to go to a school that puts academics first
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Same. He's one of the very best in the portal. Is there actual mutual interest? I'd hate that.
He visited Madison this weekend. Illinois and Michigan fan seem confident he ends up at there schools. 🤷🏼♂️
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He visited Madison this weekend. Illinois and Michigan fan seem confident he ends up at there schools. 🤷🏼♂️
Yuck. I would hate AJ at Madison. He's really really good.
Storr/Love at Michigan would be an ultimate chuck fest.
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TJ Bamba will decide between Georgia Tech and Villanova.
If he ends up at Nova the Big East will have about 5 teams that could win the league yet again.
Absolute warzone of a conference.
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AJ Storr last season was bad.
He was dead last in EvanMiya's Bayesian Performance Rating among all St. Johns players. Having the worst DBPR on the team, and the third worst OBPR on the team. He was dead last among all St. Johns players in team efficiency margin while on the court. Filtering out garbage time Storr had a RAPM of -0.4, the second worst on St. Johns. In conference play 0.3 RAPM, the third worst on St Johns.
Storr finished the season with an offensive rating of 105.1 and 102.9 in conference play. At 6'6" his defensive rebounding rate was sub 8.5% and a steal rate of 1% (these numbers are in the 2000th's).
Against Marquette AJ Storr had offensive ratings of 79, 61, and 65.
He shoots the three well.... that's it. If you recruit him, you are doing so based on his high school profile and the hope that last year was a blip.
If Marquette went after a St John's player it should be David Jones or Dylan Addae-Wusu.
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Nice!
Love when the Badgers miss out.
i’ll second that
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AJ Storr last season was bad.
He was dead last in EvanMiya's Bayesian Performance Rating among all St. Johns players. Having the worst DBPR on the team, and the third worst OBPR on the team. He was dead last among all St. Johns players in team efficiency margin while on the court. Filtering out garbage time Storr had a RAPM of -0.4, the second worst on St. Johns. In conference play 0.3 RAPM, the third worst on St Johns.
Storr finished the season with an offensive rating of 105.1 and 102.9 in conference play. At 6'6" his defensive rebounding rate was sub 8.5% and a steal rate of 1% (these numbers are in the 2000th's).
Against Marquette AJ Storr had offensive ratings of 79, 61, and 65.
He shoots the three well.... that's it. If you recruit him, you are doing so based on his high school profile and the hope that last year was a blip.
If Marquette went after a St John's player it should be David Jones or Dylan Addae-Wusu.
I don't know what most of those stats mean. I've been watching players for 50 plus years and to me it's not always about the advanced statistics. I see potential in Storr and he did average over 8 points a game and shot 40% from 3. That has to mean something in the new statistical world.
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I don't know what most of those stats mean. I've been watching players for 50 plus years and to me it's not always about the advanced statistics. I see potential in Storr and he did average over 8 points a game and shot 40% from 3. That has to mean something in the new statistical world.
The first paragraph is basically 5 different ways of saying St Johns was better with him off the court than they were with him on it. (even when adjusted for opponent difficulty and whether the game was out of hand or not).
Being at 8 points per game is kinda irrelevant. I would guess LIU Brooklyn's leading scorer scored more than that, but Storr is probably better than that player. Its just a factor of shots and minutes.
40% from 3 is a great stat. It is in the 87th percentile. If he was average at everything else he might be pretty good.
He averages out to be a 49th percentile college basketball player among all D1 players (not just high majors). The only St Johns player he beat was Mathias.
The school that takes him in as a transfer, is doing so because of his high school play, more so than they are for his play at St Johns last season.
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I don't know what most of those stats mean. I've been watching players for 50 plus years and to me it's not always about the advanced statistics. I see potential in Storr and he did average over 8 points a game and shot 40% from 3. That has to mean something in the new statistical world.
Don’t question analytics, he’s a bad player.
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Don’t question analytics, he’s a bad player.
The Big East must be horrible, since he was 3 time Big East Freshman of the Week, and made the all Big East Freshman team.
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The Big East must be horrible, since he was 3 time Big East Freshman of the Week, and made the all Big East Freshman team.
It's more that the all Big East Freshman team is just a "who played the most minutes" contest. There were only 7 Big East freshmen to play 500+ minutes, 6 of them were on the team (Ross the lone exception).
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Did they get all Big East Freshman because they played 500 minutes+, or did they play 500 minutes + because they are all Big East Freshman. You can't give the awards on small sample sizes/potential. It's who showed the most.
I guess my point is that Storr may or may not be a good pickup, but don't discount him because of some random advanced stats showing he was the worst player on St John's.
As an aside, I still have no idea why anyone would want to play in Gard's offense.
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Did they get all Big East Freshman because they played 500 minutes+, or did they play 500 minutes + because they are all Big East Freshman. You can't give the awards on small sample sizes/potential. It's who showed the most.
I guess my point is that Storr may or may not be a good pickup, but don't discount him because of some random advanced stats showing he was the worst player on St John's.
As an aside, I still have no idea why anyone would want to play in Gard's offense.
I wouldn't be excited if Storr was transferring to Marquette, so I am happy he is heavily considering Wisconsin. I think Storr would be the 12th man at MU so UW going after him is fine with me.
One or two people seemed to disagree with me so, I explained further with (admittedly too many) advanced stats.
Storr still had good high school pedigree and shot the three well as a freshman. If he works out, then last year was a fluky bad year with a bad coach.
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Don’t question analytics, he’s a bad player.
I have no idea if Shaka is interested in him. However, I suspect if Shaka is interested in him, he believes he can make him a better player.
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Don’t question analytics, he’s a bad player.
Why even watch the games when you can just go to basketballreference.com ?
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AJ Storr last season was bad.
He was dead last in EvanMiya's Bayesian Performance Rating among all St. Johns players. Having the worst DBPR on the team, and the third worst OBPR on the team. He was dead last among all St. Johns players in team efficiency margin while on the court. Filtering out garbage time Storr had a RAPM of -0.4, the second worst on St. Johns. In conference play 0.3 RAPM, the third worst on St Johns.
Storr finished the season with an offensive rating of 105.1 and 102.9 in conference play. At 6'6" his defensive rebounding rate was sub 8.5% and a steal rate of 1% (these numbers are in the 2000th's).
Against Marquette AJ Storr had offensive ratings of 79, 61, and 65.
He shoots the three well.... that's it. If you recruit him, you are doing so based on his high school profile and the hope that last year was a blip.
If Marquette went after a St John's player it should be David Jones or Dylan Addae-Wusu.
Venice new Athletic article ranking transfers. Storr #27 no Domask
https://theathletic.com/4366021/2023/03/31/college-basketball-transfer-portal-ranking/
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Cooley filling out his roster very nicely thru portal.
Rowan Brumbaugh, Texas, Top 70 recruit and Shaka target in 2022.
Jayden Epps, Illinois, Top 90 recruit, starter at Illinois.
Dontrez Styles, North Carolina, Top 70 recruit.
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Cooley filling out his roster very nicely thru portal.
Rowan Brumbaugh, Texas, Top 70 recruit and Shaka target in 2022.
Jayden Epps, Illinois, Top 90 recruit, starter at Illinois.
Dontrez Styles, North Carolina, Top 70 recruit.
All smart pick ups. Each burns their free transfer so he gets them for multiple years. I really liked Epps at u of I. Great playmaker and solid ball handler.
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Femi Odukale transferring away from Seton Hall.
I could see his style fitting with Marquette. He's an undersized forward at 6'6" but he rebounds well and is physical.
Transferred to Seton Hall from Pitt last year so he'd maybe have to sit a year. Wouldn't be the worst add.
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Cooley filling out his roster very nicely thru portal.
Rowan Brumbaugh, Texas, Top 70 recruit and Shaka target in 2022.
Jayden Epps, Illinois, Top 90 recruit, starter at Illinois.
Dontrez Styles, North Carolina, Top 70 recruit.
Styles was flat out bad for 2 years at UNC. Epps looks solid. Brumbaugh redshirted, so who knows.
1, maybe 2 good players.
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Western Kentucky transfer Jamarion Sharp has been hearing from these schools, a source tells me:
Kentucky
Arkansas
Missouri
Ole Miss
Florida
Florida State
Nebraska
LSU
UNLV
Memphis
Wake Forest
Gonzaga
NC State
Cincinnati
Sharp averaged 7.4PPG, 7.7RPG and 4.1BPG last season.
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Styles was flat out bad for 2 years at UNC. Epps looks solid. Brumbaugh redshirted, so who knows.
1, maybe 2 good players.
Given UNC's performance last year, I'm more inclined to believe that Styles was poorly coached.
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Moussa Cisse from Ok State would be intriguing to me. Probably have to sit a year but that’s ok if everyone is back. 7-footer who is an excellent rim-protector for a top tier defense.
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Got to think its a very positive sign that I haven't seen us mentioned with any transfer in some time. Fingers crossed..
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Got to think its a very positive sign that I haven't seen us mentioned with any transfer in some time. Fingers crossed..
Seems clear by now that Shaka isn’t expecting any other departures. I’m sure one or two on the team aren’t yet locks to return, but it’s looking likely.
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Seems clear by now that Shaka isn’t expecting any other departures. I’m sure one or two on the team aren’t yet locks to return, but it’s looking likely.
Don't jinx it! ;)
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Cooley filling out his roster very nicely thru portal.
Rowan Brumbaugh, Texas, Top 70 recruit and Shaka target in 2022.
Jayden Epps, Illinois, Top 90 recruit, starter at Illinois.
Dontrez Styles, North Carolina, Top 70 recruit.
Supposedly they are in the drivers seat for Dickinson too. Bout to look like Iowa St East circa 2018
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Got to think its a very positive sign that I haven't seen us mentioned with any transfer in some time. Fingers crossed..
I suspect Shaka just plays things extremely close to the vest when it comes to transfers. Remember when he first got here we seemingly had a new transfer commitment every day from a kid who’d never before been connected to MU by anyone (a la Kolek, OMax, Kur). Whereas I think many assistants leak info to reporters to try and build social media buzz behind a kid committing to them (a la Hunter Dickinson and GTown), I think Shaka has his crew’s lips sealed.
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I suspect Shaka just plays things extremely close to the vest when it comes to transfers. Remember when he first got here we seemingly had a new transfer commitment every day from a kid who’d never before been connected to MU by anyone (a la Kolek, OMax, Kur). Whereas I think many assistants leak info to reporters to try and build social media buzz behind a kid committing to them (a la Hunter Dickinson and GTown), I think Shaka has his crew’s lips sealed.
Agree. And I really like Shaka's way of handling transfers as well as other matters. No playing little games.
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Don't jinx it! ;)
Yes, don’t be that scooper. Focus on lack of transfers one day at a time.
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AJ Storr to Madison.
Pretty huge pickup.
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AJ Storr to Madison.
Pretty huge pickup.
nah, analytics say he sucks...
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AJ Storr to Madison.
Pretty huge pickup.
They always find a way to get it done.
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Didn’t know where to post this, but here it is anyway.
UCLA has basically lost everyone, all to draft.
Clark
Singleton
Campbell
Bailey
Jaquez
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AJ Storr to Madison.
Pretty huge pickup.
It is? The same guy who was 2/17 against us in March?
I’m afraid.
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nah, analytics say he sucks...
You mean he didn’t have excellent numbers as a freshman playing on a bad team with a bunch of chuckers who quit on their coach ?
HE STINKS ! Not debatable
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AJ Storr to Madison.
Pretty huge pickup.
The Gard apologists are happy about this one:
https://twitter.com/jaypo1961/status/1646667115783507975?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
https://twitter.com/evan_flood/status/1646666432833355778?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
Definitely have upgraded their depth the last week or so. They needed to as they did not have a single high major player on their bench last year.
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The Gard apologists are happy about this one:
https://twitter.com/jaypo1961/status/1646667115783507975?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
https://twitter.com/evan_flood/status/1646666432833355778?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
Definitely have upgraded their depth the last week or so. They needed to as they did not have a single high major player on their bench last year.
Evan Flood ripped on Gard haters when Matthew Mors committed
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The Gard apologists are happy about this one:
https://twitter.com/jaypo1961/status/1646667115783507975?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
https://twitter.com/evan_flood/status/1646666432833355778?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
Definitely have upgraded their depth the last week or so. They needed to as they did not have a single high major player on their bench last year.
It definitely is a weird fit. Good for gard but I’m not sure why he would want to play for wisocnsin
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It definitely is a weird fit. Good for gard but I’m not sure why he would want to play for wisocnsin
Probably told him they could turn him into Johnny Davis……..
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It definitely is a weird fit. Good for gard but I’m not sure why he would want to play for wisocnsin
I don't get it either, they have a nice roster now with the 2 transfer additions...hopefully it is good enough in the eyes of the university to extend Gard 😅
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Here’s what he said….. https://twitter.com/evan_flood/status/1646668610230730752?s=61&t=synH6Ej2DjQwvTwk4mr1iA
Plus he’s from Rockford……so his family can see every home game.
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You mean he didn’t have excellent numbers as a freshman playing on a bad team with a bunch of chuckers who quit on their coach ?
HE STINKS ! Not debatable
He didn't play well and the chuckers played better than he did on that team. I wouldn't want him at MU.
If you want hope for him, Kam Jones played poorly as a freshman too.
He might be great on a new team. But he played poorly last year. Seems like a solid reason not to want a player.
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He didn't play well and the chuckers played better than he did on that team. I wouldn't want him at MU.
If you want hope for him, Kam Jones played poorly as a freshman too.
He might be great on a new team. But he played poorly last year. Seems like a solid reason not to want a player.
Actually watching him play, you can very easily see he’s a multi faceted scorer. Can make a play off the bounce going left or right, smart player who doesn’t turn the ball over. Effective with the the dribble.
Was much improved as the season went on and he earned more minutes.
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Actually watching him play, you can very easily see he’s a multi faceted scorer. Can make a play off the bounce going left or right, smart player who doesn’t turn the ball over. Effective with the the dribble.
Was much improved as the season went on and he earned more minutes.
Don’t disagree. He’s just miscast at UW-Madison.
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Don’t disagree. He’s just miscast at UW-Madison.
Totally - great get for the badgers but it’s my tenth choice if I’m the kid.
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Great pick-up because he can change the type of recruit Wisky has been getting. They will be much improved from last year. Storr can create his own shot.
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Actually watching him play, you can very easily see he’s a multi faceted scorer. Can make a play off the bounce going left or right, smart player who doesn’t turn the ball over. Effective with the the dribble.
Was much improved as the season went on and he earned more minutes.
He did play more. But, he is a "multi faceted scorer", who couldn't finish plays at the rim all year. Mathias, Pinzon, and Curbello were injured at the end of the year. Calling his minutes "earned" is strange framing.
I'm not sure i saw massive levels of improvement, part of that is just the fact he played well in limited minutes at the beginning of the year and then tailed off when he played more minutes against good teams. (at least from an offensive perspective.) He just had better individual games in non con and earlier in conference play than he did at the end of conference play.
I think he'll be Wisconsin's 3rd best wing player. I think its an alright pickup for them. The less they play Gilmore and the backup guard the better.
I wouldn't have wanted him at Marquette. He is worse than Stevie, Kam, Chase, and the potential of Tre and Zaide.
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Great pick-up because he can change the type of recruit Wisky has been getting. They will be much improved from last year. Storr can create his own shot.
He’ll get benched creating his own shot
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He did play more. But, he is a "multi faceted scorer", who couldn't finish plays at the rim all year. Mathias, Pinzon, and Curbello were injured at the end of the year. Calling his minutes "earned" is strange framing.
I'm not sure i saw massive levels of improvement, part of that is just the fact he played well in limited minutes at the beginning of the year and then tailed off when he played more minutes against good teams. (at least from an offensive perspective.) He just had better individual games in non con and earlier in conference play than he did at the end of conference play.
I think he'll be Wisconsin's 3rd best wing player. I think its an alright pickup for them. The less they play Gilmore and the backup guard the better.
I wouldn't have wanted him at Marquette. He is worse than Stevie, Kam, Chase, and the potential of Tre and Zaide.
He’s a weak player at the rim? Are we talking about the same player? Did you watch him at all ?
Storr was a four star top 100 highly sought after guy out of high school, transfers and then is once again a highly sought after high major guy.
He’s a talented player that was stuck on a really, really bad team.
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Hope he does just well enough for UW to keep Gard around.
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Would be kinda nice to beat Wisconsin this year. They’ve improved. Damn.
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Would be kinda nice to beat Wisconsin this year. They’ve improved. Damn.
Wisky and Mich St. have bigs, Shaka needs to find some muscle. This is why they both beat MU! You going to have Chase Ross or Gold defend Wahl?
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Wisky and Mich St. have bigs, Shaka needs to find some muscle. This is why they both beat MU! You going to have Chase Ross or Gold defend Wahl?
1. UConn had the best big in the BE, as well as a 7-foot backup, yet somehow Marquette beat them twice. Plus, wins over Creighton, Xavier, Providence, St. John’s and several other teams with quality bigs.
2. Wahl isn’t very good.
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So you think MU does not need to add another player?
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Would be kinda nice to beat Wisconsin this year. They’ve improved. Damn.
I just want Marquette to beat any and every Big10 team they face next year!
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I just want Marquette to beat any and every Big10 team they face next year!
I will settle for just beating bucky
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Wisky and Mich St. have bigs, Shaka needs to find some muscle. This is why they both beat MU! You going to have Chase Ross or Gold defend Wahl?
Wisconsin didn't beat Marquette because of their bigs, they did it because of insanely lucky shot making. Play that game 10 times, we win 9. But sometimes a dog has his day.
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So you think MU does not need to add another player?
I didn't say that. I simply refuted your assertion that we lost to Madison and Michigan State because their bigs were better than ours.
We lost to Madison mostly because their decent-but-hardly-great PG had the game of his life. We lost to Michigan State mostly because our All-American PG played about as bad as he could have played.
I already have said that to be the team all the prognosticators think we'll be in 2023-24, we need either O-Max to stay or Shaka to replace him with somebody who can do most of the things he does.
I've also said that it would be great if Shaka could add a Jayce Johnson type of big (or an even better big) to back up Oso, while acknowledging that finding such a player and convincing him to go to MU when he'd only play 10-20 mpg won't be easy.
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Scoop has taught me that we need two things to win more games...
1. Aircraft carriers. A big ass back to the basket center who sits in the lane.
2. Mid-range jumpers. Lots of them.
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Scoop has taught me that we need two things to win more games...
1. Aircraft carriers. A big ass back to the basket center who sits in the lane.
2. Mid-range jumpers. Lots of them.
Incredible analysis by our fellow scoopers. What we need to do in 2023 is to play that old school ball from the 70s - 90s era.
Maybe we can set up the triangle offense as our next suggestion.
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Wisconsin didn't beat Marquette because of their bigs, they did it because of insanely lucky shot making. Play that game 10 times, we win 9. But sometimes a dog has his day.
Chucky had a day. But, playing in front of the Dane County freaks is always a 50/50 deal. We’re due to smoke em…and our roster is better top to bottom, but I’ll still be downing triple strength alka seltzers and staying away from sharp objects until our win is secured. Embrace the hate!
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Scoop has taught me that we need two things to win more games...
1. Aircraft carriers. A big ass back to the basket center who sits in the lane.
2. Mid-range jumpers. Lots of them.
Imagine an aircraft carrier with a mid-range jumper!
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Imagine an aircraft carrier with a mid-range jumper!
YES! Even better if he played below the rim. A modern day Carlos Boozer.
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and our roster is better top to bottom
Except AJ Storr is tha god
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He didn't play well and the chuckers played better than he did on that team. I wouldn't want him at MU.
If you want hope for him, Kam Jones played poorly as a freshman too.
He might be great on a new team. But he played poorly last year. Seems like a solid reason not to want a player.
Eh, I think its worth a shot for them because I can see why people think he'd have upside. I can see why a 6'6" scorer would fit their system well. I can also see why he might be better playing in a more disciplined system than what he had at SJU.
It may not work, but IMO it's worth the risk to see.
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Imagine an aircraft carrier with a mid-range jumper!
Bring back Davante Gardner
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Wisky and Mich St. have bigs, Shaka needs to find some muscle. This is why they both beat MU! You going to have Chase Ross or Gold defend Wahl?
hahahahahahahhaahha
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I may have missed but here but I see a note from the Hartford Courant that Nahiem Alleyne from UConn is in the transfer portal.
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I may have missed but here but I see a note from the Hartford Courant that Nahiem Alleyne from UConn is in the transfer portal.
Kicked him out so Castle starts, can't force Diarra to transfer as he'd need a waiver, and wouldn't get it.
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Imagine an aircraft carrier with a mid-range jumper!
(https://media.tenor.com/2XjMyE1xqt4AAAAC/kramer-seinfeld.gif)
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Ooooooo. This one intrigues me.
A great talent at the 4 that may be willing to split time since he is coming off an injury that kept him out all season.
I hope we reach out. Basically 8 points and 8 rebounds a night in 2021-2022 for the Hall.
Plus he's 24 years old and would open up a spot right away after the season.
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1646916618557988865?t=UQI4D7R_hJqYQ6rpwpsFdg&s=19
https://youtu.be/VlXsn8higx8
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O'Mar Stanley in the portal from St. John's.
I'd take him just to have an O'Mar, OMax, and Oso.
Confirmation that Marquette actually did reach out to O'Mar Stanley of St. Johns per O'Mar himself on his interview this morning after his commitment to Boise St.
Would have been an awesome addition. Maybe Kolek's comment to him at the free throw line steered him a different direction.
https://www.youtube.com/live/xVZaQPUcNB4?feature=share
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"Keshad Johnson on instagram live was asked where he would be going and his response was “wherever I can provide for my family”
Per Twitter
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"Keshad Johnson on instagram live was asked where he would be going and his response was “wherever I can provide for my family”
Per Twitter
Perfectly acceptable answer. Take advantage of your opportunities, rather than being taken advantage of.
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Incredible analysis by our fellow scoopers. What we need to do in 2023 is to play that old school ball from the 70s - 90s era.
Maybe we can set up the triangle offense as our next suggestion.
Yes, the sweater vests have been jonesing for a barrage of 17' jumpers. Better yet, set shots!
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Wouldn't mind Yetna from Seton hall
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Yes, the sweater vests have been jonesing for a barrage of 17' jumpers. Better yet, set shots!
As long as it isn't Markus shooting them.
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this NIL thing, although as free market as you can get, is going to challenge college basketball like no other. i believe there will have to be some rules changes along the way. think of it as "free agents" when a school takes on a player, they make an investment in more ways than one.
i just hope it doesn't ruin the spirit of college ball. will the players be playing for themselves or the team. i think shaka will be able to navigate these waters just fine. he seems to have full control and believes in the product he is offering. he is one of a few who will command respect for the college game. he portrays what the real symbiotic relationship needs to be in order to garner success
marquette provides a vital scenario with its academic environment and rich history with ncaa b-ball.
shaka has the charisma to get the players he wants and seems to define their roles well. case in point-he reigned in kam, developed TK, and get's everyone on the same page unlike someone else we knew shaka gets more done without all the pomp and circumstance
the team concept is well established
just like so many rich traditions, this one being in it's infant stages, will need to be tweaked along the way
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College athletes are the only people incapable of getting paid for their work and doing what's best for the team/company ::)
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College athletes are the only people incapable of getting paid for their work and doing what's best for the team/company ::)
And can’t be considered employees either.
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College athletes are the only people incapable of getting paid for their work and doing what's best for the team/company ::)
Don’t forget high school athletes and grammar school athletes.
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Don’t forget high school athletes and grammar school athletes.
High school and grammar school kids are paid?
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High school and grammar school kids are paid?
High school kids are if you think about it, overtime elite and some prep schools.
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When are scoopers going to start getting paid for all their advice and expert analysis?
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When are scoopers going to start getting paid for all their advice and expert analysis?
Amen!
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College athletes are the only people incapable of getting paid for their work and doing what's best for the team/company ::)
I'm assuming this was a joke, but if not, there is a massively long list of people who don't get paid for doing their work and doing what's best for the team/company.
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When are scoopers going to start getting paid for all their advice and expert analysis?
I already get paid via NIL.
Ain’t doin this for nothin.
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When are scoopers going to start getting paid for all their advice and expert analysis?
Write a letter
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When are scoopers going to start getting paid for all their advice and expert analysis?
Have you not been receiving your direct deposits? Double check the bank info in your profile. Accounting won't process if you don't verify your routing/account #s.
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I appreciate the checks from scoop supporting my golf habit.
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Have you not been receiving your direct deposits? Double check the bank info in your profile. Accounting won't process if you don't verify your routing/account #s.
I did that. They said my advice and analysis was not worth anything. I think they're just trying to stiff me.
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You took yours in bitcoin, didn't you. I took mine in cabbage patch kids.
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I did that. They said my advice and analysis was not worth anything. I think they're just trying to stiff me.
You must not be using enough advanced analytics in your posts. Never start a post with “eye test.” Think “what would Kenpom do?”
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You must not be using enough advanced analytics in your posts. Never start a post with “eye test.” Think “what would Kenpom do?”
That’s a good point. That’s what many successful college basketball coaches do, use advanced analytics to improve their roster and make their team better. Also, they use it for scheduling. It’s a brave new world many Joe Beer Guts don’t believe in despite all the evidence to the contrary
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Dylan Addae-Wusu and Posh Alexander not getting much attention in the portal.
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Dylan Addae-Wusu and Posh Alexander not getting much attention in the portal.
How do you know this?
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Dylan Addae-Wusu and Posh Alexander not getting much attention in the portal.
Kinda not true. More incorrect for posh.
Posh has at least 4 power conference teams in on him.
Wusu has seton hall and 90% of A-10 schools.
Also transfers go in waves. So as more guys striker put on top 30 prospects, the more interest they’ll get.
Posh might be a priority for Seton Hall, Pitt, and Butler but the is a real backup option at Louisville and two Big 10 schools. These guys get told to be patient and wait.
Also many staffs are just on vacation this week. If they want to visit, it’s difficult.
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Kinda not true. More incorrect for posh.
Posh has at least 4 power conference teams in on him.
Wusu has seton hall and 90% of A-10 schools.
Also transfers go in waves. So as more guys striker put on top 30 prospects, the more interest they’ll get.
Posh might be a priority for Seton Hall, Pitt, and Butler but the is a real backup option at Louisville and two Big 10 schools. These guys get told to be patient and wait.
Also many staffs are just on vacation this week. If they want to visit, it’s difficult.
Man, I felt Wusu showed a ton against us...reminded me some of Deonte Burton. I'd personally love to see MU add him if they have 2 openings, which I think we do right now?
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Man, I felt Wusu showed a ton against us...reminded me some of Deonte Burton. I'd personally love to see MU add him if they have 2 openings, which I think we do right now?
Only if you assume Omax isn't coming back.
I also really like Addae Wusu, hope he ends up outside the Big East
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The Posh Alexander decline has been interesting. A far more drastic (and less talented player) version of Dominic James. I remember him being in the discussion for BE POY as a freshman, was DPOY…now he regressed terribly offensively, wasn’t a lockdown defender, and wasn’t even the best player, or even second best, on his own team
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Interesting tidbit in the ESPN article about West Virginia.
Spearheaded by the Country Roads Trust collective, founded by Forbes-listed billionaire Arizona Diamondbacks owner Ken Kendrick and former Mountaineers athletic director Oliver Luck, West Virginia has significantly increased its activity in the name, image and likeness (NIL) space, reeling in one of the transfer portal's top point guards in Arizona's Kerr Kriisa.
Edwards said that the NIL factor at West Virginia was "a bonus," but not the primary factor in his decision-making process.
"I mostly wanted to have a fresh start and a new challenge," Edwards said. "NIL isn't what I'm playing for. I didn't really want to get into this, but it doesn't seem that Syracuse as an organization is that into that. I'm not really sure what their plan is or what the school's idea is behind it. For me it was something that they couldn't offer in that way."
Both of the players mentioned are foreigners. Seems they found a way to get them NIL.
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How do you know this?
His expert portal social media analytics.
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Interesting tidbit in the ESPN article about West Virginia.
Spearheaded by the Country Roads Trust collective, founded by Forbes-listed billionaire Arizona Diamondbacks owner Ken Kendrick and former Mountaineers athletic director Oliver Luck, West Virginia has significantly increased its activity in the name, image and likeness (NIL) space, reeling in one of the transfer portal's top point guards in Arizona's Kerr Kriisa.
Edwards said that the NIL factor at West Virginia was "a bonus," but not the primary factor in his decision-making process.
"I mostly wanted to have a fresh start and a new challenge," Edwards said. "NIL isn't what I'm playing for. I didn't really want to get into this, but it doesn't seem that Syracuse as an organization is that into that. I'm not really sure what their plan is or what the school's idea is behind it. For me it was something that they couldn't offer in that way."
Both of the players mentioned are foreigners. Seems they found a way to get them NIL.
In summary, billionaire is able to establish business in Europe to sponsor student athletes in their home countries and pay them while they are there.
(Most schools don’t have this)
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In summary, billionaire is able to establish business in Europe to sponsor student athletes in their home countries and pay them while they are there.
(Most schools don’t have this)
Does anyone actually still believe this money is because of NIL? Pretty clear that creating a shell company to pay a kid to play at your favorite college has nothing to do with NIL.
Also, it has everything to do with the name of the college, and not market rate for talent. No one would pay them the equivalent to play for the G-league.
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In summary, billionaire is able to establish business in Europe to sponsor student athletes in their home countries and pay them while they are there.
(Most schools don’t have this)
So you are saying Ken Kendricks established a business in Estonia within the last 2 weeks to funnel NIL money to Kriisa?, Same with Edwards and the Netherlands?
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So you are saying Ken Kendricks established a business in Estonia within the last 2 weeks to funnel NIL money to Kriisa?, Same with Edwards and the Netherlands?
No. He could have had a business in Europe , or has a friend that has a business there countries and has combined them to help sponsor these athletes. Shooting commercial, making adds, and giving them payments in those countries.
Some schools are going to have NIL for foreign athletes established, and others won’t. It’s just not straight forward. Like if the director of NIL or the top5 boosters in Syracuse don’t have this set up it will be difficult to do it in 1 summers time. (Especially if it’s for 1 athlete)
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Does anyone actually still believe this money is because of NIL? Pretty clear that creating a shell company to pay a kid to play at your favorite college has nothing to do with NIL.
Also, it has everything to do with the name of the college, and not market rate for talent. No one would pay them the equivalent to play for the G-league.
It seems to me that the market is setting itself. And playing in a college jersey is just more valuable than playing in a G League jersey. Just like Giannis would be less valuable playing in Romania.
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Huggins and WVU are a odd fit for Kriisa
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"Nahiem Alleyne won’t be the only remaining Big East player in the portal to transfer within the conference. Stay tuned."
Alleyne from UConn to St. Johns and more to come from Big East to Big East per John Fanta.
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"Nahiem Alleyne won’t be the only remaining Big East player in the portal to transfer within the conference. Stay tuned."
Alleyne from UConn to St. Johns and more to come from Big East to Big East per John Fanta.
Samuel to MU? Or Yetna? ;D
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Samuel to MU? Or Yetna? ;D
Samuel to FL
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Samuel to MU? Or Yetna? ;D
Yetna hasn't played in over a year
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Samuel to MU? Or Yetna? ;D
I think Posh will be going to the Hall.
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I think Posh will be going to the Hall.
Addae-Wusu too maybe
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Utah State transfer Steven Ashworth committed to Creighton on Monday, giving the Bluejays men's basketball team one of the best available guards in the portal.
Ashworth chose Creighton over a list of finalists that also included Gonzaga, BYU, Oklahoma State and Washington. He recently visited the Bluejays' campus
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has duke brennan been mentioned here? 6'10 Az state freshman NIL value $19k? he is from gilbert, az which is in the vicinity of MU's chandler, Az portal (oso and markus)
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Utah State transfer Steven Ashworth committed to Creighton on Monday, giving the Bluejays men's basketball team one of the best available guards in the portal.
Ashworth chose Creighton over a list of finalists that also included Gonzaga, BYU, Oklahoma State and Washington. He recently visited the Bluejays' campus
on the Davison plan…something like 37 yrs old? Married. 5 kids, maybe 6. Crazy.
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on the Davison plan…something like 37 yrs old? Married. 5 kids, maybe 6. Crazy.
He's LDS and went on a two-year mission so not quite on the Davison plan.
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Great summary of BE portal activity.
https://www.holylandofhoops.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8322
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He's LDS and went on a two-year mission so not quite on the Davison plan.
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…ah, yeah, I knew. But thx.
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Creighton's Ryan Nembhard a top target of Gonzaga:
https://www.si.com/college/gonzaga/podcasts/are-ryan-nembhard-and-graham-ike-gonzagas-top-priorities-in-transfer-portal (https://www.si.com/college/gonzaga/podcasts/are-ryan-nembhard-and-graham-ike-gonzagas-top-priorities-in-transfer-portal)
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Ali Ali hits the transfer portal the same day Puff Johnson is visiting Butler.
That's pretty telling to me...and something Shaka has openly said he wants to avoid.
"Why recruit over guys we already have?"
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Ali Ali hits the transfer portal the same day Puff Johnson is visiting Butler.
That's pretty telling to me...and something Shaka has openly said he wants to avoid.
"Why recruit over guys we already have?"
Ali Ali stinks. It’s a business. And we’ve seen it with already with keeyan and emarion.
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Quincy Guerrier is transferring from Oregon. Here is a Tweet from 2021 when he hit the portal for the 1st time.
"Syracuse transfer Quincy Guerrier tells ESPN he’s heard from Kentucky, Oregon, Marquette, Georgetown, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Memphis, Texas Tech, Arizona State, Maryland, Creighton, Arkansas, SMU and Western Kentucky. Averaged 13.7 points and 8.4 rebounds this past season."
Wonder if Shaka reaches out again.
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Quincy Guerrier is transferring from Oregon. Here is a Tweet from 2021 when he hit the portal for the 1st time.
"Syracuse transfer Quincy Guerrier tells ESPN he’s heard from Kentucky, Oregon, Marquette, Georgetown, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Memphis, Texas Tech, Arizona State, Maryland, Creighton, Arkansas, SMU and Western Kentucky. Averaged 13.7 points and 8.4 rebounds this past season."
Wonder if Shaka reaches out again.
Those stats are from his sophomore season at Syracuse. He averaged 9.0 and 4.6 last season at Oregon. Like O-Max, he's from Montreal.
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Those stats are from his sophomore season at Syracuse. He averaged 9.0 and 4.6 last season at Oregon. Like O-Max, he's from Montreal.
Ya. That was the copied tweet from when he transferred the 1st time.
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If Quincy Guerrier already transferred without sitting out he would have to sit a year this.
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If Quincy Guerrier already transferred without sitting out he would have to sit a year this.
Not if he is a grad transfer.
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If Quincy Guerrier already transferred without sitting out he would have to sit a year this.
#FakeNews #Lies
Dude’s about to turn 24… almost joined a semester early and has been in college 4 years. 99% chance he’ll be immediately eligible
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Quincy Guerrier is transferring from Oregon. Here is a Tweet from 2021 when he hit the portal for the 1st time.
"Syracuse transfer Quincy Guerrier tells ESPN he’s heard from Kentucky, Oregon, Marquette, Georgetown, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Memphis, Texas Tech, Arizona State, Maryland, Creighton, Arkansas, SMU and Western Kentucky. Averaged 13.7 points and 8.4 rebounds this past season."
Wonder if Shaka reaches out again.
Guy was terrible against top 50 opponents. Not much better against top 100. No thanks
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Any news on where E Ellis or Wrightsil are looking?
I’d like to see one or both (if O-Max leaves) of them return, and see what they’re capable of when healthy.
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Any news on where E Ellis or Wrightsil are looking?
I’d like to see one or both (if O-Max leaves) of them return, and see what they’re capable of when healthy.
Not sure why I've seen this sentiment so many times since they've announced they were leaving. Wrightsil is not happening. Emarion wasn't close to ready even before he had major knee surgery. Neither of these guys were quality enough, or healthy enough to play any minutes next year, or potentially even the next. We have an entire portal of players to choose from, why bring these guys back to sit on the bench when we could grab either an immediate contributor for next season or a young but promising guy with multiple years of eligibility left like we did with Kolek/Omax.
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Not sure why I've seen this sentiment so many times since they've announced they were leaving. Wrightsil is not happening. Emarion wasn't close to ready even before he had major knee surgery. Neither of these guys were quality enough, or healthy enough to play any minutes next year, or potentially even the next. We have an entire portal of players to choose from, why bring these guys back to sit on the bench when we could grab either an immediate contributor for next season or a young but promising guy with multiple years of eligibility left like we did with Kolek/Omax.
Not saying we should bring them back, but we do not have an entire portal of players to choose from. There is not a great deal of playing time to be had here next year, and potential transfer are no doubt seeing that.
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This video seems to confirm everyone but OMax is certain to be back, with the possible exception of Sean, but I think he’s still recovering from wrist surgery.
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1648791478817153031?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
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Lots of portal players have committed in the past week. Lots.
Hope Shaka has something up his sleeve.
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This video seems to confirm everyone but OMax is certain to be back, with the possible exception of Sean, but I think he’s still recovering from wrist surgery.
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1648791478817153031?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
Thanks for posting. Aside from your observation, the thing that stood out to me was no wrap of any kind on Kolek's right thumb.
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This video seems to confirm everyone but OMax is certain to be back, with the possible exception of Sean, but I think he’s still recovering from wrist surgery.
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1648791478817153031?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
Possible, but I dont think this video tells us that for certain.
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Thanks for posting. Aside from your observation, the thing that stood out to me was no wrap of any kind on Kolek's right thumb.
Yes….and I recall some scoopers predicting a pending thumb surgery for TKO after the msu game. Glad to see that wasn’t necessary.
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Yes….and I recall some scoopers predicting a pending thumb surgery for TKO after the msu game. Glad to see that wasn’t necessary.
I heard he had his thumb amputated and he wears a prosthetic
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Yes….and I recall some scoopers predicting a pending thumb surgery for TKO after the msu game. Glad to see that wasn’t necessary.
Me, too. As one who thought it was going that way.
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I heard he had his thumb amputated and he wears a prosthetic
Well, if it was good enough for Luke Skywalker...
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I heard he had his thumb amputated and he wears a prosthetic
It’s actually Sean’s thumb. It’s why he’s not in the video.
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Possible, but I dont think this video tells us that for certain.
I suppose Oso could still go through the draft process and probably should but in terms of transfers I think the video makes it pretty clear none of the guys are entering the portal.
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It’s actually Sean’s thumb. It’s why he’s not in the video.
But he was at the Bucks game, from what I heard. At this point, I think we're probably the biggest winner of any team in the portal, simply because no one of consequence looks to be leaving.
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Lots of portal players have committed in the past week. Lots.
Hope Shaka has something up his sleeve.
How about drop the bag for Omax:p
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Lots of portal players have committed in the past week. Lots.
Hope Shaka has something up his sleeve.
What the hell does this mean?
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What the hell does this mean?
What the hell does this mean?
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What the hell does this mean?
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What the hell does this mean?
Shaka isn’t doing his job. Sounds like a crocka Shaka imo
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"After consulting with friends and family I have decided that it is no longer in my best interest to attend the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Thank you to Coach Gard and the rest of the staff but I will be reopening my recruitment. #respectmydecision"
Hahahaha
Noah Reynolds, Wyoming transfer quickly changes his mind and decides against UW Madison.
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The funniest part about this is that he could be heading to UWGB where his brother is an assistant coach.
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"After consulting with friends and family I have decided that it is no longer in my best interest to attend the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Thank you to Coach Gard and the rest of the staff but I will be reopening my recruitment. #respectmydecision"
Hahahaha
Noah Reynolds, Wyoming transfer quickly changes his mind and decides against UW Madison.
I'm guessing the AJ Storr commitment changed things.
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I'm guessing the AJ Storr commitment changed things.
Nah, Hepburn was supposed to leave. He didn't Crieghton preferred 2-3 other guards. Nebraska offered, but not alot. He opted to stay. It makes sense for Reynolds to find a another spot.
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But he was at the Bucks game, from what I heard. At this point, I think we're probably the biggest winner of any team in the portal, simply because no one of consequence looks to be leaving.
Leaving for the portal, sure. Leaving at all? Omax is a pretty big deal
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Yes….and I recall some scoopers predicting a pending thumb surgery for TKO after the msu game. Glad to see that wasn’t necessary.
I had no idea how serious it was. After the fact, I was kinda hoping it was a little serious ... because if he wasn't affected much by the thumb injury, he basically choked. And it makes no sense to think he choked because he had just been a stud during the Big East tournament in the world's most famous arena.
So I still say his thumb really affected him in the NCAAs.
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I had no idea how serious it was. After the fact, I was kinda hoping it was a little serious ... because if he wasn't affected much by the thumb injury, he basically choked. And it makes no sense to think he choked because he had just been a stud during the Big East tournament in the world's most famous arena.
So I still say his thumb really affected him in the NCAAs.
Just because an injury doesn’t turn out to be long or medium term serious doesn’t mean it wasn’t short term serious. Anyone who watched Kolek play this year could see that.
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I had no idea how serious it was. After the fact, I was kinda hoping it was a little serious ... because if he wasn't affected much by the thumb injury, he basically choked. And it makes no sense to think he choked because he had just been a stud during the Big East tournament in the world's most famous arena.
So I still say his thumb really affected him in the NCAAs.
Interesting, yet odd take imo.
Even the greats choke.
I was definitely hoping that it wasn’t serious at all, as in no surgery and no lingering issue into next season.
I’d much prefer the “choking,” or “mental midget” on the big stage angle (sorry Muggsy)
Chances are that it was in his head and affected his abilities somewhat, so a little of column A and B, but often times the bright lights can change things.
I’ve mentioned this before but will try to not dwell on it for obvious reasons, but even Coach Shaka didn’t quite look himself in Columbus.
It’s a hill to climb, and it’ll need to be climbed this upcoming season, but it’s a hill I’d definitely die on with Shaka and TyKo.
PS- love the ‘you are not serious people.’
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I had no idea how serious it was. After the fact, I was kinda hoping it was a little serious ... because if he wasn't affected much by the thumb injury, he basically choked. And it makes no sense to think he choked because he had just been a stud during the Big East tournament in the world's most famous arena.
So I still say his thumb really affected him in the NCAAs.
Started with 8 points on 5 shots.
Went to the locker room.
1 of his next 13 with 7 TO's.
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Nah, Hepburn was supposed to leave. He didn't Crieghton preferred 2-3 other guards. Nebraska offered, but not alot. He opted to stay. It makes sense for Reynolds to find a another spot.
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If your not in the portal is that like tampering?
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Lenny and Dr. V -- I understand what both of you are saying.
Please understand I didn't want Kolek to be hurt. I was just a fan searching for an explanation for a seemingly inexplicable turn of events.
I believe Kolek became a great player this season because his confidence had reached a sky-high level. The thumb injury took away some of his mojo, IMHO, and it affected his ability to execute. I think it was in his head more than a little bit, and it also hampered him physically, which got in his head more, etc.
Really sucked for him and the team and us fans. Looking forward to Tyler coming back with a vengeance!
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Leaving for the portal, sure. Leaving at all? Omax is a pretty big deal
I'm not anticipating O-Max will be gone.
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Interesting, yet odd take imo.
Even the greats choke.
I was definitely hoping that it wasn’t serious at all, as in no surgery and no lingering issue into next season.
I’d much prefer the “choking,” or “mental midget” on the big stage angle (sorry Muggsy)
Chances are that it was in his head and affected his abilities somewhat, so a little of column A and B, but often times the bright lights can change things.
I’ve mentioned this before but will try to not dwell on it for obvious reasons, but even Coach Shaka didn’t quite look himself in Columbus.
It’s a hill to climb, and it’ll need to be climbed this upcoming season, but it’s a hill I’d definitely die on with Shaka and TyKo.
PS- love the ‘you are not serious people.’
…bright lights? Big city? No problem. But, definitely the pretty girls got to him.
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I'm not anticipating O-Max will be gone.
Gut feeling or is that what you’ve been hearing?
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Gut feeling or is that what you’ve been hearing?
A bit of both. The former informed by the latter.
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I'm not anticipating O-Max will be gone.
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If O-Max were smart he'd come back for one more year, improve his 3pt shot, and solidify himself as an ideal NBA 3 and D wing. He's young enough that another year in college won't hurt his stock. And I'm sure MU can figure out the NIL stuff to ensure he can make more in school than he would in the G League.
That being said, I fully expect O-Max to stay in the draft, not get picked, and end up in France, Spain, or Italy. And there is nothing really wrong with that; its his life to live.
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"After consulting with friends and family I have decided that it is no longer in my best interest to attend the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Thank you to Coach Gard and the rest of the staff but I will be reopening my recruitment. #respectmydecision"
Hahahaha
Noah Reynolds, Wyoming transfer quickly changes his mind and decides against UW Madison.
and already hearing badger fans thinking it was because of his academics
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A bit of both. The former informed by the latter.
We certainly deserve a break like this after a years of it going the opposite way. Fingers crossed
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A bit of both. The former informed by the latter.
My fear is NBA teams not being completely honest with players. Tell the player you love him…….hearing rumors he may go up as high as the early 2nd round…..doesn’t get drafted like he was told he might…….too late to go back…….signs a two way deal, Europe, or G-league.
The best case for some clubs is to get a player like OMax, without spending a draft pick on him.
Hopefully and selfishly, I hope OMax sees the value in getting $ in coming back, making a deep run, and being honored by MU for his lifetime!
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and already hearing badger fans thinking it was because of his academics
It could be. There is a slight possibility he has not won a Nobel prize.
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and already hearing badger fans thinking it was because of his academics
I’m still shocked a kid that went to a Big East school could possible have the credits to make it into UW-Madison.
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I’m still shocked a kid that went to a Big East school could possible have the credits to make it into UW-Madison.
the change of heart came from learning all they serve in Madison these days is Bud Light
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I'm not anticipating O-Max will be gone.
OMax just signed with Life Sports Agency.
Idk rules, but doesn't that mean he is gone?
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OMax just signed with Life Sports Agency.
Idk rules, but doesn't that mean he is gone?
No. They are NCAA certified meaning he retains his eligibility. This is a positive development.
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OMax just signed with Life Sports Agency.
Idk rules, but doesn't that mean he is gone?
Life Sports is NCAA certified.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-10-13/ncaa-certified-agents-helping-college-athletes-test-nba-draft-waters
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OMax just signed with Life Sports Agency.
Idk rules, but doesn't that mean he is gone?
In 2018, the NCAA lightened that rule, allowing players to hire an agent and take the risk of making the jump to the NBA without the jeopardizing a possible return to their university if they aren’t drafted.
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Good news....to a degree.
I'm guessing the agency doesn't bet paid unless Omax gets paid.
Guess what they will be whispering in his ear.....
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These agencies can likely facilitate NIL deals as well I would assume unless JB tells me “fake news and lies”. Would that lead to him possibly going into the portal? The agencies most likely are at least aware of NIL deals out there whether they facilitate them or not.
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Good news....to a degree.
I'm guessing the agency doesn't bet paid unless Omax gets paid.
Guess what they will be whispering in his ear.....
If only there were an example O-Max and the staff had to look to of the risks a player takes when they declare, are a fringe draft pick, and stay in anyway.
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Good news....to a degree.
I'm guessing the agency doesn't bet paid unless Omax gets paid.
Guess what they will be whispering in his ear.....
Then again, I’d imagine they might prefer to be an agent for an NBA player than a G-Leaguer and might let him know another year at MU might work in his favor.
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Good news....to a degree.
I'm guessing the agency doesn't bet paid unless Omax gets paid.
Guess what they will be whispering in his ear.....
I agree with this analysis
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He gowne, aina?
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He gowne, aina?
Next Man Up.... 8-)
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He gowne, aina?
Yep.
Gowne to Real Chili to get lunch. :D
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No. They are NCAA certified meaning he retains his eligibility. This is a positive development.
Nice!
I knew they could sign with agents and retain eligibility, just wasn't sure on agencies and which qualify.
Good to know!
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These agencies can likely facilitate NIL deals as well I would assume unless JB tells me “fake news and lies”. Would that lead to him possibly going into the portal? The agencies most likely are at least aware of NIL deals out there whether they facilitate them or not.
#FakeNews #Lies
By rule, no one can use NIL deals to recruit a player
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#FakeNews #Lies
By rule, no one can use NIL deals to recruit a player
😂😂😂
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In 2018, the NCAA lightened that rule, allowing players to hire an agent and take the risk of making the jump to the NBA without the jeopardizing a possible return to their university if they aren’t drafted.
****Only NCAA-certified agents. If a kid links up with an agent who isn’t NCAA-certified, they forfeit eligibility.
OMax’s agency has multiple NCAA-certified agents.
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If only there were an example O-Max and the staff had to look to of the risks a player takes when they declare, are a fringe draft pick, and stay in anyway.
Per a buddy of mine, ROC Nation was giving some bad advice to that example--basically telling him what he wanted to hear rather than what he needed to hear. NIL has changed a lot for agents right now--for the good and bad.
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#FakeNews #Lies
By rule, no one can use NIL deals to recruit a player
kerr kriisa says hello
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If our team is good enough next year. 80% of our team will have an agent this time next year.
Right now i think its just Kolek and Omax
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Emarion playing for Wardle!
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Emarion playing for Wardle!
Talk about a change of style...
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Good for him, nice landing spot for him and close to home as well.
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Emarion playing for Wardle!
Congratulations EE.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CrRa7qVAbWR/?hl=en
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Not going to lie, I'd vote for those uniforms over MU's if they met in a uniform bracket.
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Not going to lie, I'd vote for those uniforms over MU's if they met in a uniform bracket.
Agreed - the cursive script is sharp as hell
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Emarion playing for Wardle!
i’d chit my shorts playing for Wardle. …And some have
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i’d chit my shorts playing for Wardle. …And some have
would that be out of extreme, surprise and joy causing a temporary, but sudden involuntary loss of sphincter function or just plain ole disappointment
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would that be out of extreme, surprise and joy causing a temporary, but sudden involuntary loss of sphincter function or just plain ole disappointment
let’s just say that during Wardle’s GB days, the fellas left it all on the court
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Not going to lie, I'd vote for those uniforms over MU's if they met in a uniform bracket.
Yeaaaa.
Hope they get new ones next year. Really not a fan of this batch.
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let’s just say that during Wardle’s GB days, the fellas left it all on the court
🤣👍🤣👍🤣
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Rumor is Hunter Dickinson getting a 2 year $4 million NIL deal once he goes to KU
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Rumor is Hunter Dickinson getting a 2 year $4 million NIL deal once he goes to KU
That’s illegal 😂😂😂
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Rumor is Hunter Dickinson getting a 2 year $4 million NIL deal once he goes to KU
This one I think is just a rumor. We'll see but I think the real number is lower
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Rumor is Hunter Dickinson getting a 2 year $4 million NIL deal once he goes to KU
We received confirmation on the following two WVU NIL deals:
Edward’s $800,000
Kriisa 350,000
Full disclosure our Company participates in a small way in NIL
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We received confirmation on the following two WVU NIL deals:
Edward’s $800,000
Kriisa 350,000
Full disclosure our Company participates in a small way in NIL
That’s illegal
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We received confirmation on the following two WVU NIL deals:
Edward’s $800,000
Kriisa 350,000
Full disclosure our Company participates in a small way in NIL
That’s illegal
NCAA's silence is deafening.
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Was listing to 97.3 yesterday with Brian Butch and he said that the companies that are locking the kids in to NIL deals are not fulfilling their obligation to pay them. Since there is no governing body, there is no one to enforce the payments to the kids. So basically, the kid goes to X school, starts to do promotions/commercials for said company and then when it comes time to pay, they say, "they are looking into it" Butch said this is happening to almost every major school across the country.
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Was listing to 97.3 yesterday with Brian Butch and he said that the companies that are locking the kids in to NIL deals are not fulfilling their obligation to pay them. Since there is no governing body, there is no one to enforce the payments to the kids. So basically, the kid goes to X school, starts to do promotions/commercials for said company and then when it comes time to pay, they say, "they are looking into it" Butch said this is happening to almost every major school across the country.
Time for them to unionize
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#FakeNews #Lies
By rule, no one can use NIL deals to recruit a player
What rule? If you can pay big bucks to retain a player why not to get a player.
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Was listing to 97.3 yesterday with Brian Butch and he said that the companies that are locking the kids in to NIL deals are not fulfilling their obligation to pay them. Since there is no governing body, there is no one to enforce the payments to the kids. So basically, the kid goes to X school, starts to do promotions/commercials for said company and then when it comes time to pay, they say, "they are looking into it" Butch said this is happening to almost every major school across the country.
So these "deals" are verbal not written like a contract?
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Was listing to 97.3 yesterday with Brian Butch and he said that the companies that are locking the kids in to NIL deals are not fulfilling their obligation to pay them. Since there is no governing body, there is no one to enforce the payments to the kids. So basically, the kid goes to X school, starts to do promotions/commercials for said company and then when it comes time to pay, they say, "they are looking into it" Butch said this is happening to almost every major school across the country.
I won’t admit this in public about a BADger, but Butch does a nice job calling games on FS1 & BIG. He was a big time HS recruit from the Appleton area. Not sure if he considered MU, or if MU went aggressively after him.
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So these "deals" are verbal not written like a contract?
Consider that Brian Butch is a walking talking dumb ass, and then reevaluate the credibility of his claims.
These deals are all written down and perfectly legal. Otherwise, we'd be hearing about it from someone other than Brian Butch. ;D
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So these "deals" are verbal not written like a contract?
I don't know enough about it to answer that. I'm just stating with Butch said on the radio yesterday. He said that was the major talk at this years final four among the coaches that went down there.
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Time for them to unionize
Hmm... so players from the #1 ranked team at the end of the season go on strike for better housing or increased pay now don't play in the NCAA tournament. That is going to fly with their fan base.
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Hmm... so players from the #1 ranked team at the end of the season go on strike for better housing or increased pay now don't play in the NCAA tournament. That is going to fly with their fan base.
Buddy, they’re going to be treated and classified as professionals a lot sooner than you think
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Buddy, they’re going to be treated and classified as professionals a lot sooner than you think
They won't be. This is the one thing the NCAA will win on
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Was listing to 97.3 yesterday with Brian Butch and he said that the companies that are locking the kids in to NIL deals are not fulfilling their obligation to pay them. Since there is no governing body, there is no one to enforce the payments to the kids. So basically, the kid goes to X school, starts to do promotions/commercials for said company and then when it comes time to pay, they say, "they are looking into it" Butch said this is happening to almost every major school across the country.
I like Butch as an announcer, but he's talking out his a$$ here
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I like Butch as an announcer, but he's talking out his a$$ here
Yeah, they don't need a "governing body" to oversee NIL payments to players. There is a thing called "contract law" that covers that.
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Ryan Nembhard to Gonzaga
.https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1649414395892494340?s=20
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Ryan Nembhard to Gonzaga
.https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1649414395892494340?s=20
I think Creighton got the better end of the trade with Ashworth coming in
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Yeah, they don't need a "governing body" to oversee NIL payments to players. There is a thing called "contract law" that covers that.
Yep. The NCAA couldn't regulate NIL sensibly when its policy was a 100% prohibition, let alone regulating it now.
Question - does the prohibition against signing with an agent hurt kids in getting legal representation as they sign NIL deals? Generally I think an agency would handle negotiations and contract review by legal (or at least hire outside counsel for that). Players can't sign agents, but I assume they can still retain legal counsel to represent them for these? Still though, a lot of unsavory actors out there if players are completely on their own to seek representation for NIL deals.
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I like Butch as an announcer, but he's talking out his a$$ here
He may be exaggerating but there are documented cases. Florida is now on their 2nd NIL Collective bc of how the first one failed a big football recruit.
Contract law of course can help alleviate these issues, hopefully parents and the recruit are getting signed docs. If I were a parent of a #mubb recruit, I wouldn't trust Cody Hatt, I would want it in writing from Mike Vitucci.
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They won't be. This is the one thing the NCAA will win on
I don't think so. The precedent for professional athletes being able to unionize is decades old. JMO.
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I don't think so. The precedent for professional athletes being able to unionize is decades old. JMO.
But professional athletes have always been considered employees. Student-athletes have not.
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He may be exaggerating but there are documented cases. Florida is now on their 2nd NIL Collective bc of how the first one failed a big football recruit.
Contract law of course can help alleviate these issues, hopefully parents and the recruit are getting signed docs. If I were a parent of a #mubb recruit, I wouldn't trust Cody Hatt, I would want it in writing from Mike Vitucci.
I didn't hear what Butch said so I'm just going based on what Howardsworld described but what happened at Florida is very different from what Butch supposedly said. Situations like the Florida collective are happening though not at every major college.
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I don't think so. The precedent for professional athletes being able to unionize is decades old. JMO.
Professional athletes and student athletes are very different beasts with very different needs. I don't see it ever happening. It's a lose lose for student athletes and universities.
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Damion Collins of Kentucky in the portal--former five-star/#16 rank out of HS.
https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article273881300.html (https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article273881300.html)
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Damion Collins of Kentucky in the portal--former five-star/#16 rank out of HS.
https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article273881300.html (https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article273881300.html)
Yes please
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Yes please
ehhhh
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Yes please
Only if Omax leaves, I would assume the kid wants to play, at least get a chance to start then.
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Nembhard to Gonzaga. Wow.
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I'd take CJ Fredrick if he shoots it like he did while he was at Iowa.
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I'd take CJ Fredrick if he shoots it like he did while he was at Iowa.
That would be an interesting pick-up.
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I'd take CJ Fredrick if he shoots it like he did while he was at Iowa.
Is he in the portal again?
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What rule? If you can pay big bucks to retain a player why not to get a player.
The NCAA is very clear on this: “ NIL opportunities may not be used as a recruiting inducement”
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The NCAA is very clear on this: “ NIL opportunities may not be used as a recruiting inducement”
😂😂😂
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Is he in the portal again?
Really, he was horrible this year, and another guard, no way
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The NCAA is very clear on this: “ NIL opportunities may not be used as a recruiting inducement”
The NCAA is also clear on this: "If any party tries to use NIL opportunities as a recruiting inducement, we will close our eyes, stick our fingers in our ears, and sing Yankee Doodle Dandy at the top of our lungs to distract us from reality."
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The NCAA is very clear on this: “ NIL opportunities may not be used as a recruiting inducement”
I would like to see a player (like Kriisa) sign this NIL deal for $300K+), then decide to go to a different school.
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Only if Omax leaves, I would assume the kid wants to play, at least get a chance to start then.
Yup.
I'm assuming he's gone until he's not. I'd rather have OMax if given the choice.
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Hunter Sallis is visiting Nebraska right now.
They are a Tournament team if he commits.
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Hunter Sallis is visiting Nebraska right now.
They are a Tournament team if he commits.
LOL...cmon....
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Given that Omax could come back, and we have decent replacement options for him regardless: I'd like to see Shaka bring in someone in the mold of Kolek/Omax. A kid with multiple years of eligibility, promising freshman year performance, who doesn't need immediately playing time, but could play right off the bat if need be. A 4 or 5 would be ideal, given the glut of guards on the roster. Certainly not a ton of those out there but given Shaka's success with Tyler/Omax I think we could make a solid case.
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LOL...cmon....
They have a solid returning core and added Rienk Mast and Brice Williams through the portal already. Sallis is a very good basketball player that didn't get much of a scoring opportunity.
Also got a commitment from Janowski for 2024. They've had a great week or so.
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They have a solid returning core and added Rienk Mast and Brice Williams through the portal already. Sallis is a very good basketball player that didn't get much of a scoring opportunity.
Also got a commitment from Janowski for 2024. They've had a great week or so.
Ehh...maybe. They add a couple mid-major up-transfers and a guard that couldn't get minutes for a Gonzaga team that was desperate for quality guard play. They also lose Walker and Griesel, which are big shoes to fill.
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Ehh...maybe. They add a couple mid-major up-transfers and a guard that couldn't get minutes for a Gonzaga team that was desperate for quality guard play. They also lose Walker and Griesel, which are big shoes to fill.
Latrell Wrightsell Jr. and Sallis are their targets. If they get them both they are in line for sure.
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LOL...cmon....
He didn't say which tournament.
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Professional athletes and student athletes are very different beasts with very different needs. I don't see it ever happening. It's a lose lose for student athletes and universities.
I think the mental gymnastics to differentiate between college athletes and "professional" athletes are significant. College athletes have asserted and demonstrated they are key employees in the generation of material revenue for the schools. They already receive compensations and benefits for their services.
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But professional athletes have always been considered employees. Student-athletes have not.
I'll "get off your lawn" :D
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Nembhard to Gonzaga. Wow.
I want to know what happened to the bag of money he was going to get paid to go to Zona.
I think NIL money isn’t going to be as big as people think.
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The NCAA is very clear on this: “ NIL opportunities may not be used as a recruiting inducement”
How long will these stupid posts continue?
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How long will these stupid posts continue?
As long as MUScoop is around.
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I want to know what happened to the bag of money he was going to get paid to go to Zona.
I think NIL money isn’t going to be as big as people think.
And neither is this TV thing.
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I think the mental gymnastics to differentiate between college athletes and "professional" athletes are significant. College athletes have asserted and demonstrated they are key employees in the generation of material revenue for the schools. They already receive compensations and benefits for their services.
One is compensated in cash. The other is compensated in scholarships. I don't know that I would call those mental gymnastics "significant".
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Latrell Wrightsell Jr. and Sallis are their targets. If they get them both they are in line for sure.
I would still expect them to be out. The only player that played for a team resembling a high-major is Sallis, who struggled for minutes. It's a bunch of mid-major up-transfers, which sometimes works, but often doesn't. And they lose their most proven players.
I get that Hoiberg has won with transfers, but Chris Allen, Chris Babb, Scott Christopherson, Korie Lucious, Bryce Dejean-Jones, Jameel McKay, those were high-major recruits coming out. He had a lot more of those than the occasional up-transfer, and he was doing it in an era when transfers weren't mined the way they are now. Then, Hoiberg was ahead of the curve, now he's pretty clearly behind it. Not ruling them out, but at this point, they don't have what looks like a tourney roster. Mid-major all-stars, at best. Maybe it works, but his 40-83 record to date would indicate otherwise. They have to prove it before I'll believe.
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Kadin Shedrick goes from Virginia to Texas.
Relevant for Marquette next season.
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Nate Oats sure knows how to pick them:
@JournoRyan
JUST IN: Alabama men's basketball transfer Jaykwon Walton was arrested Saturday night after Tuscaloosa Police found him and two others in a vehicle on Reed Street with marijuana and multiple guns.
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Nate Oats sure knows how to pick them:
@JournoRyan
JUST IN: Alabama men's basketball transfer Jaykwon Walton was arrested Saturday night after Tuscaloosa Police found him and two others in a vehicle on Reed Street with marijuana and multiple guns.
Hahahaha. Good grief.
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Nate Oats sure knows how to pick them:
@JournoRyan
JUST IN: Alabama men's basketball transfer Jaykwon Walton was arrested Saturday night after Tuscaloosa Police found him and two others in a vehicle on Reed Street with marijuana and multiple guns.
How else are you supposed to protect yourself while having a good time ?
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Nate Oats sure knows how to pick them:
@JournoRyan
JUST IN: Alabama men's basketball transfer Jaykwon Walton was arrested Saturday night after Tuscaloosa Police found him and two others in a vehicle on Reed Street with marijuana and multiple guns.
Was halfway through posting this earlier and read the account and charges. Weed, barely a misdemeanor, loaded guns without permit (not saying he does or does not have one) legal. So, is it or is it not a big deal? Personally, I find it fascinating that a young person (or even a superstar professional) would potentially risk everything (yeah, I get it, even in the court of public opinion if what they do is legal) and feel the need for a gun. But, as some friends and I were discussing, young, male brains are just not developed.
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Driving under the influence… carrying fire arms under the influence…
I’m no lawyer, but i do not believe either are legal…
https://youtu.be/WeYsTmIzjkw
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Oates has no control over that program
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Time for Oats to go!
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They will make t-shirts to celebrate this in Alabama.
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Was halfway through posting this earlier and read the account and charges. Weed, barely a misdemeanor, loaded guns without permit (not saying he does or does not have one) legal. So, is it or is it not a big deal? Personally, I find it fascinating that a young person (or even a superstar professional) would potentially risk everything (yeah, I get it, even in the court of public opinion if what they do is legal) and feel the need for a gun. But, as some friends and I were discussing, young, male brains are just not developed.
That is correct on young male brains. Think how big of an idiot we all were at that age.
Back when we all lived til 40-45 yo and there were no police getting a gun at 18 was reasonable.
These days it doesn’t make much sense. Increase the age to carry to 25 when people start having something to lose (children or real jobs) by doing stupid stuff.
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That is correct on young male brains. Think how big of an idiot we all were at that age.
Back when we all lived til 40-45 yo and there were no police getting a gun at 18 was reasonable.
These days it doesn’t make much sense. Increase the age to carry to 25 when people start having something to lose (children or real jobs) by doing stupid stuff.
That would suck for the US Army.
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That would suck for the US Army.
Ha! There would be an exception for the armed forces/police. Maybe 21 yo. Chain of command/training. Don’t be dense.
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President Lovell posted a picture saying he hosted the BE champion MUBB team for dinner. Wrightsil was there. OMax, Ellis, and Keeyan were not. I think everyone else was, including Sean in a full arm cast.
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Oates has no control over that program
Saw someone say he recruits a lot of shooters 😂
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They will make t-shirts to celebrate this in Alabama.
Absolutely. Just win baby
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Pet Oates they are no longer recruiting Walton and he will not be on the team next season
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I heard the young man was just in the wrong place at the wrong time… I can’t believe Oates is turning his back on him.
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That is correct on young male brains. Think how big of an idiot we all were at that age.
These days it doesn’t make much sense. Increase the age to carry to 25 when people start having something to lose (children or real jobs) by doing stupid stuff.
Sounds like a gr8 argument to increase the voting age. I’m in!!
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Why does Butler want Posh Alexander so badly?
I don't get it...
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Why does Butler want Posh Alexander so badly?
I don't get it...
Sophomore year stats of 14/5.5/4.4
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Sophomore year stats of 14/5.5/4.4
He's just not good.
He's already showed he's not going to get the job done in the Big East...and he had a lot more help at St. Johns than he's going to have at Butler.
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He's just not good.
He's already showed he's not going to get the job done in the Big East...and he had a lot more help at St. Johns than he's going to have at Butler.
Could have been coaching and/or needing a change of scenery
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He's just not good.
He's already showed he's not going to get the job done in the Big East...and he had a lot more help at St. Johns than he's going to have at Butler.
Posh was fine before Anderson foolishly brought Curabello in last year.
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Posh was fine before Anderson foolishly brought Curabello in last year.
Curbelo shot 6% better than Posh from 3 and 2% better than Posh in total.
Neither are good. I mean, maybe it is an improvement for Butler, but IMO their goals should be higher than just improving from a losing season.
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Curbelo shot 6% better than Posh from 3 and 2% better than Posh in total.
Neither are good. I mean, maybe it is an improvement for Butler, but IMO their goals should be higher than just improving from a losing season.
Well, after Posh's freshman year he was named Big East Freshman of the Year and DPOY. The young man has talent. Matta probably thinks he can fix him.
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Curbelo shot 6% better than Posh from 3 and 2% better than Posh in total.
Neither are good. I mean, maybe it is an improvement for Butler, but IMO their goals should be higher than just improving from a losing season.
both of them were kinda okay big east players despite neither being able to shoot for the entire season. Posh was the better of the two.
Posh would be a top 4-5 player on that butler roster.
Moore, Davis, Telfort, Posh, the freshman guard who will be okay.
Bulter problem is and would be the quality of their frontcourt/ Screen is probably the best. But at least they have players. Seton hall doesn't have players and still Georgetown might be the worst of them all
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Didn't know where to put this, but 242 draft entrants, OMax is the only Marquette player.
Kalkbrenner, Kaluma, Alexander all entered for Creighton.
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Thanks for the info.
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Hunter Sallis to Wake Forest - interesting.
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Dylan Addae-Wusu from St. Johns to Seton Hall.
Good player but they are going to be horrible. Players that were in the Big East and transferring don't wanna leave the Big East.
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Dylan Addae-Wusu from St. Johns to Seton Hall.
Good player but they are going to be horrible. Players that were in the Big East and transferring don't wanna leave the Big East.
Addae-Wusu is from the Bronx, so it might be more about being closer to home than being in the BE?
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Seton hall picked up big man Elijah Hutchins Everett, was supposedly down to SH and UW milwaukee according to their boards
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Didn't know where to put this, but 242 draft entrants, OMax is the only Marquette player.
Kalkbrenner, Kaluma, Alexander all entered for Creighton.
Does this include seniors and foreign players, or only college early entrants?
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Does this include seniors and foreign players, or only college early entrants?
I found my answer--the 242 early draft entrants include 48 international players and a number of college seniors that still have their COIVD year eligibility.
The list excludes players from the G-League or Overtime Elite.
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SH beat out UWM for a recruit ??
Impressive.
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SH beat out UWM for a recruit ??
Impressive.
Lol. Read a goof saying if you want to see a good bball team in Milwaukee….check out UWM next year.
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Lol. Read a goof saying if you want to see a good bball team in Milwaukee….check out UWM next year.
Was that followed by “Marquette’s afraid to play us?”
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Was that followed by “Marquette’s afraid to play us?”
Marquette is afraid to play them
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Marquette is afraid to play them
Sure, if you define afraid as unwilling to give a crap team from a crap conference a home and home, yep you are right.
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Sure, if you define afraid as unwilling to give a crap team from a crap conference a home and home, yep you are right.
Yup, they’re afraid of them
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Yup, they’re afraid of them
Especially when Rico has offered to write a check to make up the lost home game revenue for MU. Real chicken $h!t stuff by MU. :D
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Grant Nelson of NDSU officially hit the portal.
Maybe has the highest upside of any player to enter so far.
6'11" with the ability to take defenders off the dribble and shoot from distance.
He is what the NBA is looking for so I wouldn't be surprised to see him stick in the draft but he has expanded his options.
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Grant Nelson of NDSU officially hit the portal.
Maybe has the highest upside of any player to enter so far.
6'11" with the ability to take defenders off the dribble and shoot from distance.
He is what the NBA is looking for so I wouldn't be surprised to see him stick in the draft but he has expanded his options.
Small sample size but he's historically been very poor against top 50 D1 teams. He's feasting on the garbage in his conference.
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Small sample size but he's historically been very poor against top 50 D1 teams. He's feasting on the garbage in his conference.
I think coaches would look at those games to see how much defenses were focusing on him. If he was the primary option there, but the third option here, it may make a difference.
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6'11" with the ability to take defenders off the dribble and shoot from distance.
Shoot = attempt, but miss a lot
He did play w some yung bois this season, so maybe he can make a nice jump if opponents are worried about others on the team
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I think coaches would look at those games to see how much defenses were focusing on him. If he was the primary option there, but the third option here, it may make a difference.
Oh I certainly wouldn't say no but I'm also not convinced he'd be as big an asset if he moved to the BE
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Grant Nelson of NDSU officially hit the portal.
Maybe has the highest upside of any player to enter so far.
6'11" with the ability to take defenders off the dribble and shoot from distance.
He is what the NBA is looking for so I wouldn't be surprised to see him stick in the draft but he has expanded his options.
Nelson is great, I like him alot. He will be the face of a team in the top 25 on a great NIL deal. Nelson was horrible against good teams. Like horrendous. RAPM went from 2.1 to -1.2.
Ironically, pretty much the opposite of Ben Gold. Went from RAPM went from -0.7 against non top 80 team to +4.4 RAPM against top 80 teams.
(i am not saying gold is better that would be dumb)
Those numbers against good teams scare me from Nelson.
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Kid looks like a Badgers player to me. Pass
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Kid looks like a Badgers player to me. Pass
Far too athletic for Becky
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Nelson is great, I like him alot. He will be the face of a team in the top 25 on a great NIL deal. Nelson was horrible against good teams. Like horrendous. RAPM went from 2.1 to -1.2.
Ironically, pretty much the opposite of Ben Gold. Went from RAPM went from -0.7 against non top 80 team to +4.4 RAPM against top 80 teams.
(i am not saying gold is better that would be dumb)
Those numbers against good teams scare me from Nelson.
He also wasn't playing alongside Tyler Kolek, Kam Jones, Stevie Mitchell, and Oso Ighodaro.
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He also wasn't playing alongside Tyler Kolek, Kam Jones, Stevie Mitchell, and Oso Ighodaro.
Analytics have spoken, hard no.
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Analytics have spoken, hard no.
More like anal-ytics cuz they don't mean chit.
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He’s a high major talent and will absolutely play big time college basketball next season. Really good scorer who can shoot over guys and will create match up problems. He’ll be a really good player once he adapts to the speed of hm hoops. I do think there will be an adjustment period for him though. He lacks the athleticism to immediately transition to the sped up high major game.
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More like anal-ytics cuz they don't mean chit.
(i am not saying gold is better that would be dumb)
its fun to read.
He got eaten alive by Kansas, Arkansas, New Mexico, and Oral Roberts 3 times. That's all i was pointing out.
I like it better when my players play we'll against good teams. Additionally in those games he had lower usage rates than his average. Struggling and not being able to execute against tougher competition is an issue.
Other players MU reached out too Aly Kahlifa, Andrew Rohde, and Tyrese Samuel they played better than Nelson did against higher level competition.
I'm well aware with "Marquette" or anywhere else Nelson will get set up by his teammates more. And he'll get open shots.
But lets just say he comes to marquette to play the 4 position, lets look to see him shoot it well. Nope, he can't really shoot i well. 27% on 92 attempts last year. 30.9% on 217 attempts for his career.
So basically he can only serve as a like for like sub with oso. If he want's that role, I'll take him in a heartbeat. Otherwise, its a pass. He doesn't make sense with the roster composition. He'll do well at Arkansas, or as Kalama's replacement at Creighton, or in the G league.
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He also wasn't playing alongside Tyler Kolek, Kam Jones, Stevie Mitchell, and Oso Ighodaro.
I know you and PointWarrior love being the anti-analytics crusaders of the board, but if you took 15 seconds to read about the stat you’re dismissing, you’d learn RAPM is designed to control for the performance of a player’s on-court teammates and opponents.
https://basketballstat.home.blog/2019/08/14/regularized-adjusted-plus-minus-rapm/
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It appears as though several high majors didn’t perform their due diligence and google search Nelson’s rapm.
https://twitter.com/247hshoops/status/1653753736907444227?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
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The ignorance of analytics on this board is really something. Nobody thinks stats like RAPM are the end-all, be-all measure of a player's value. They're just tools that might help predict a player's performance a *little bit* better.
Obviously Nelson is a good player that deserves to be sought after by many major programs. But using RAPM we can see at a glance that he didn't play very well against high-end competition last year. You'd probably reach that same conclusion if you watched film from those games. Either way, nobody is saying there's no chance he'll succeed at a higher level. Players are capable of improving, and it's definitely possible some of those (few) weak performances are more outliers than true indications of his value.
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The ignorance of analytics on this board is really something. Nobody thinks stats like RAPM are the end-all, be-all measure of a player's value. They're just tools that might help predict a player's performance a *little bit* better.
Obviously Nelson is a good player that deserves to be sought after by many major programs. But using RAPM we can see at a glance that he didn't play very well against high-end competition last year. You'd probably reach that same conclusion if you watched film from those games. Either way, nobody is saying there's no chance he'll succeed at a higher level. Players are capable of improving, and it's definitely possible some of those (few) weak performances are more outliers than true indications of his value.
Worst performances were against the best teams for him and his team. None were particularly close save a game at home against Oral Bob.
Will be curious to watch the NBA evaluate him. Should give us a better idea of what kind of player he is. Kid like him is worth a second round flyer. Don’t think playing another year at a higher level school helps his status a year from now. Shooting form being a flaw won’t get fixed in a year with college coaches and only hurt his chances of being drafted a year from now.
If he gets a second round commitment, he should stay in the draft
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It appears as though several high majors didn’t perform their due diligence and google search Nelson’s rapm.
https://twitter.com/247hshoops/status/1653753736907444227?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
I literally said i expected him to go to GLeague. You missed that part. Him and Oso on the court would be a tiny bit redundant. And it made no sense for the roster to have both of them playing 30 mpg.
I didn't expect MU to get involved. If he plays the 5, he'll be great.
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I literally said i expected him to go to GLeague. You missed that part. Him and Oso on the court would be a tiny bit redundant. And it made no sense for the roster to have both of them playing 30 mpg.
I didn't expect MU to get involved. If he plays the 5, he'll be great.
Sorry must've missed it. I only saw how you were concerned his rapm would hold him back playing at higher level.
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Hunter Dickinson's final five. Announcement coming tomorrow.
Georgetown
Nova
Kansas
Kentucky
Maryland
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Hunter Dickinson's final five. Announcement coming tomorrow.
Georgetown
Nova
Kansas
Kentucky
Maryland
HD at Nova or GTown would make a great anti-hero and be fantastic for the league.
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I could live without him playing for a team on Marquette's schedule.
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Hunter Dickinson's final five. Announcement coming tomorrow.
Georgetown
Nova
Kansas
Kentucky
Maryland
Kansas
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Kansas
He should thrive there. Of all the choices, that was the best fit for his skill set
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Quite concerning he made a video while driving.
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Worst performances were against the best teams for him and his team. None were particularly close save a game at home against Oral Bob.
Will be curious to watch the NBA evaluate him. Should give us a better idea of what kind of player he is. Kid like him is worth a second round flyer. Don’t think playing another year at a higher level school helps his status a year from now. Shooting form being a flaw won’t get fixed in a year with college coaches and only hurt his chances of being drafted a year from now.
If he gets a second round commitment, he should stay in the draft
All very fair points. I don’t mean to stake the analytics case on this one player, especially when the data sample size is so small. I have no doubt he is a high major player, with some debate on just how impactful he’ll be at that level.
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It appears as though several high majors didn’t perform their due diligence and google search Nelson’s rapm.
https://twitter.com/247hshoops/status/1653753736907444227?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
This guy epitomizes bad faith
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All very fair points. I don’t mean to stake the analytics case on this one player, especially when the data sample size is so small. I have no doubt he is a high major player, with some debate on just how impactful he’ll be at that level.
My hunch is, the production wanes at a higher level
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All very fair points. I don’t mean to stake the analytics case on this one player, especially when the data sample size is so small. I have no doubt he is a high major player, with some debate on just how impactful he’ll be at that level.
I don't doubt him that hard. But i do doubt him being a successful fit at Marquette knowing how close he is to the NBA/ GLeague already, and how the fit at MU might have him under 30MPG.
It's gonna be interesting in the next 2+ weeks if we get tied to any transfers or not.
If Omax is coming back we really don't have too, nor would i think the staff would want to. I think that's a bigger hang up than a lot of people realize. Probably because OMax is higher on boards than others though. OMax was 12th in college basketball in +/-.
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Barring a shocking eval, my money's on him returning.
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Was going to post on this last week too. Our Son’s Varsity High School teammate 6’8” 240 Rich Byhre a Division 2 All American transferred from Rockhurst University to UWGB and should play major minutes.
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Was going to post on this last week too. Our Son’s Varsity High School teammate 6’8” 240 Rich Byhre a Division 2 All American transferred from Rockhurst University to UWGB and should play major minutes.
I really like UWGB's new coach. Compared to the nepo baby Will Ryan, Wicks coached a TON at the low major/D2 level which is good prep for a place like UWGB. Did really good work in a short stint as a D2 HC in a tough job.
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I really like UWGB's new coach. Compared to the nepo baby Will Ryan, Wicks coached a TON at the low major/D2 level which is good prep for a place like UWGB. Did really good work in a short stint as a D2 HC in a tough job.
They really needed someone like him. There is zero buzz about the program right now.
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St. Johns picked up RJ Luis 6'7" transfer from UMass. Averaged 11.5 PPG as a frosh.
After a slow start, Pitino has put together a decent roster.
Iona —> Cruz Davis (Fr PG 6’3 6.5 ppg)
Iona—>Daniss Jenkins (Jr PG 6’3” 15.6 ppg)
Iona —> Quinn Slazinski (Jr PF 6’9 11.3 ppg)
Uconn —> Nahiem Alleyne (Jr SG 6’4 5.2 ppg)
VMI—>Sean Conway (Jr SG 6’5 12.1 ppg)
Umass —>RJ Luis (Fr SG 6’6 11.5 jpg)
Oregon State—>Glenn Taylor (S0 SF 6’6 11.6 ppg)
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St. Johns picked up RJ Luis 6'7" transfer from UMass. Averaged 11.5 PPG as a frosh.
After a slow start, Pitino has put together a decent roster.
Iona —> Cruz Davis (Fr PG 6’3 6.5 ppg)
Iona—>Daniss Jenkins (Jr PG 6’3” 15.6 ppg)
Iona —> Quinn Slazinski (Jr PF 6’9 11.3 ppg)
Uconn —> Nahiem Alleyne (Jr SG 6’4 5.2 ppg)
VMI—>Sean Conway (Jr SG 6’5 12.1 ppg)
Umass —>RJ Luis (Fr SG 6’6 11.5 jpg)
Oregon State—>Glenn Taylor (S0 SF 6’6 11.6 ppg)
Taylor and Luis are both the quintessential pitino types. Long wings who can defend multiple positions and get into passing lanes. Taylor is a really good player. He was far and away the stand out on a terrible osu team.
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St. Johns picked up RJ Luis 6'7" transfer from UMass. Averaged 11.5 PPG as a frosh.
After a slow start, Pitino has put together a decent roster.
Iona —> Cruz Davis (Fr PG 6’3 6.5 ppg)
Iona—>Daniss Jenkins (Jr PG 6’3” 15.6 ppg)
Iona —> Quinn Slazinski (Jr PF 6’9 11.3 ppg)
Uconn —> Nahiem Alleyne (Jr SG 6’4 5.2 ppg)
VMI—>Sean Conway (Jr SG 6’5 12.1 ppg)
Umass —>RJ Luis (Fr SG 6’6 11.5 jpg)
Oregon State—>Glenn Taylor (S0 SF 6’6 11.6 ppg)
Joel Soriano coming back as a quality big , should fit well with this group
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Taylor and Luis are both the quintessential pitino types. Long wings who can defend multiple positions and get into passing lanes. Taylor is a really good player. He was far and away the stand out on a terrible osu team.
Jordan Pope would beg to differ
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Jordan Pope would beg to differ
I think almost everyone would beg to differ. Not sure there’s any reasonable argument that Pope was not their best performer.
Will be interesting to see how volatile StJ is this year. Thinking they’ll look incredible some nights and like trash others
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Bethune Cookman's Kuon Kuon entered the portal. He's clearly not Big East material, but based on his name he could follow in the steps of Akok Akok and Ali Ali.
In other portal news, Arthur Kaluma wasn't the highest-rated player out of HS to enter the portal today--Tennessee's Julian Phillips, ranked #13 out of HS, entered the portal.
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Bethune Cookman's Kuon Kuon entered the portal. He's clearly not Big East material, but based on his name he could follow in the steps of Akok Akok and Ali Ali.
In other portal news, Arthur Kaluma wasn't the highest-rated player out of HS to enter the portal today--Tennessee's Julian Phillips, ranked #13 out of HS, entered the portal.
the BADgers once had Duany Duany, maybe they’d have interest in Kuon
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In other portal news, Arthur Kaluma wasn't the highest-rated player out of HS to enter the portal today--Tennessee's Julian Phillips, ranked #13 out of HS, entered the portal.
Drop. The. Bag.
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Kansas center Ernest Udeh, former Top 50 recruit, to enter NCAA Transfer Portal
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/news/kansas-center-ernest-udeh-former-top-50-recruit-enters-ncaa-transfer-portal/
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Kansas center Ernest Udeh, former Top 50 recruit, to enter NCAA Transfer Portal
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/news/kansas-center-ernest-udeh-former-top-50-recruit-enters-ncaa-transfer-portal/
Interesting...
Obviously a trickle down from Dickinson. I would guess based on the fact that he's leaving in the wake of Dickinson's arrival, he's not interested in a limited playing time gig.
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IMO, there are definitely enough minutes for the right guy. I think Shaka ends up signing a 20-22 minute guy this offseason.
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IMO, there are definitely enough minutes for the right guy. I think Shaka ends up signing a 20-22 minute guy this offseason.
Agreed, especially if OMax stays in the draft which seems more and more likely.
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Agreed, especially if OMax stays in the draft which seems more and more likely.
Where do you see 20-22 minutes available?
OMax opens up about 29, but Ben and Joplin almost certainly eat those up. Not to mention Tre, Al, Zaide.
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Golden
The team needs more size and guys to play the 4-5 positions. TAMU has noted, and I agree, that I believe Shaka signs a Kur like player. IMO, they need an athletic, taller guy that can add a defensive presence.
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Golden
The team needs more size and guys to play the 4-5 positions. TAMU has noted, and I agree, that I believe Shaka signs a Kur like player. IMO, they need an athletic, taller guy that can add a defensive presence.
Oso is 6'10" and Ben is 6'11".
You don't need more size than that.
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Where do you see 20-22 minutes available?
OMax opens up about 29, but Ben and Joplin almost certainly eat those up. Not to mention Tre, Al, Zaide.
Ben and Jop are gonna have to guard well enough to earn those minutes. That's not a certainty.
Minutes will work themselves out. But they're thin in the frontcourt.
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In other portal news, Arthur Kaluma wasn't the highest-rated player out of HS to enter the portal today--Tennessee's Julian Phillips, ranked #13 out of HS, entered the portal.
Phillips might be the best player in the portal for this team, at least on paper.
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Ben and Jop are gonna have to guard well enough to earn those minutes. That's not a certainty.
Minutes will work themselves out. But they're thin in the frontcourt.
They're really not though.
They return a 2nd Team All BIG East player in Oso.
The 6th Man of the Year in Joplin.
Maybe the highest ceiling of the group in Ben.
And an OMax like youthful talent in Al Amadou.
I think they could add, but I highly highly doubt it is 20-22 minutes of an addition...and if they do, well then it is obviously a big splash which would go against what Shaka has been saying in recruiting over guys already here.
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And an OMax like youthful talent in Al Amadou.
If he plays it's gonna be mop-up minutes.
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If he plays it's gonna be mop-up minutes.
Similar to OMax his Freshman year at Clemson, and then opportunities will open up for him as the years progress.
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Three returners and a true Fresh. Expectations for the true Fresh should automatically be almost zero, which means we're one injury away from trouble. If we add, either via OMax returning or the portal, that's where it'll be.
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Oso is 6'10" and Ben is 6'11".
You don't need more size than that.
Oso is listed at 6'9 by Marquette.
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Golden
Filling Omax's open spot is not recruiting over guys. It is replacing a piece of the roster. No Omax or portal addition and my expectations for next year go down quite a bit.
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Golden
Filling Omax's open spot is not recruiting over guys. It is replacing a piece of the roster. No Omax or portal addition and my expectations for next year go down quite a bit.
It is recruiting over current guys if you expect that newcomer to play 20-22 minutes.
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Golden
Filling Omax's open spot is not recruiting over guys. It is replacing a piece of the roster. No Omax or portal addition and my expectations for next year go down quite a bit.
Shaka has repeatedly stated he rewards guys who have been here (I take that to mean he does not want the NIL money to be spent on transfer portal guys). That doesn't necessarily mean he wont take a transfer. If the transfer understands the role and culture, sign them up.
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It is recruiting over current guys if you expect that newcomer to play 20-22 minutes.
Not if OMax was going to be getting 32 minutes. That's opening up 10-12 minutes per game for the other guys.
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lawdog
If leaving a spot vacant is rewarding guys, I think Shaka has bumped his head. That said, I will be shocked if that spot is not filled by a 20 minute guy.
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if a 20 minute guy comes, he's going to be really, really good.
Welcome Mr. X
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lawdog
If leaving a spot vacant is rewarding guys, I think Shaka has bumped his head. That said, I will be shocked if that spot is not filled by a 20 minute guy.
If a guy is good enough for 20 minutes on this team, he would probably be good enough to be a starter on quite a few power 6 teams, and would most likely go there. That is the quandary.
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If O-Max leaves and Shaka has a chance to get a rotation-ready player, he says that playing time is up for grabs and those who earn it have a chance to get the majority of PT.
"It's about competition and about giving the most playing time to those who can take our team from really good to great. I know you have the talent to be one of our best players, and I think you're competitive enough to go for it. I hope you'll join us on our quest."
If that's not enough to land a player, Shaka probably doesn't want him on the team anyway.
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Not if OMax was going to be getting 32 minutes. That's opening up 10-12 minutes per game for the other guys.
Exactly.
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Anything less than a national championship this year will lead me to seriously question the commitment to excelling in entertaining me
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Not if OMax was going to be getting 32 minutes. That's opening up 10-12 minutes per game for the other guys.
Yup. Plus, Marquette was one of the only teams in the country to start the same five every game, and four guys averaged over 29 MPG last season. I would bet everything I own that we don't have that kind of injury luck again. While I don't think we are going back to the havoc days, I also suspect that Shaka would like to have the depth to have more players in the mid teens in MPG.
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Two former MU targets went in the portal today
D'Marco Dunn and Mac Etienne
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1656746354306084873
https://twitter.com/247HSHoops/status/1656724772477075462
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Today is the last day to enter the transfer portal and still be eligible for next season (without a waiver). I imagine we are going to see a lot of sh*tting or getting off the pot today. Good news is by tomorrow we will know that we have survived another portal season with no significant departures (via the portal).
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Today is the last day to enter the transfer portal and still be eligible for next season (without a waiver). I imagine we are going to see a lot of sh*tting or getting off the pot today. Good news is by tomorrow we will know that we have survived another portal season with no significant departures (via the portal).
Kam posted an IG with emoji’s of a luggage bag, question mark and the pyramid
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lawdog
If leaving a spot vacant is rewarding guys, I think Shaka has bumped his head. That said, I will be shocked if that spot is not filled by a 20 minute guy.
I would be absolutely shocked if Shaka grabs a 20-22 minute transfer as you have repeatedly suggested. I guess time will tell.
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If O-Max leaves and Shaka has a chance to get a rotation-ready player, he says that playing time is up for grabs and those who earn it have a chance to get the majority of PT.
"It's about competition and about giving the most playing time to those who can take our team from really good to great. I know you have the talent to be one of our best players, and I think you're competitive enough to go for it. I hope you'll join us on our quest."
If that's not enough to land a player, Shaka probably doesn't want him on the team anyway.
The first question the recruit would have is:
Where's my bag?
2nd question is: If there's no bag, I need at least 30 minutes a game to expand my brand
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If O-Max leaves and Shaka has a chance to get a rotation-ready player, he says that playing time is up for grabs and those who earn it have a chance to get the majority of PT.
"It's about competition and about giving the most playing time to those who can take our team from really good to great. I know you have the talent to be one of our best players, and I think you're competitive enough to go for it. I hope you'll join us on our quest."
If that's not enough to land a player, Shaka probably doesn't want him on the team anyway.
Whose quote is that? Certainly doesn’t seem like a Shaka quote.
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if a 20 minute guy comes, he's going to be really, really good.
Welcome Mr. X
Are we not doing phrasing anymore?
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lawdog
If leaving a spot vacant is rewarding guys, I think Shaka has bumped his head. That said, I will be shocked if that spot is not filled by a 20 minute guy.
I don't think it's that simple. We all want to have our cake and eat it too. If you get guys to commit to MU because you don't jump to the portal and they respect that...then that's the game we play. Perhaps eating the cake means you're now out of cake...
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Aircraft carrier, glass cleaner, French pastry, and next coming of Davante Gardner, in a blender.
A really big blender.
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Kam posted an IG with emoji’s of a luggage bag, question mark and the pyramid
Hopefully he was able to find a direct flight from Milwaukee to Memphis.
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avid
To not fill a valuable spot on preseason top 10 team seems crazy to me. Time will tell what will happen, but I am betting an addition to the team.
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if a 20 minute guy comes, he's going to be really, really good.
Welcome Mr. X
Mr. Z
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Whose quote is that? Certainly doesn’t seem like a Shaka quote.
It's me channeling my inner Shaka.
The first question the recruit would have is:
Where's my bag?
2nd question is: If there's no bag, I need at least 30 minutes a game to expand my brand
Then ... "Move along, son."
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avid
To not fill a valuable spot on preseason top 10 team seems crazy to me. Time will tell what will happen, but I am betting an addition to the team.
I understand the need/desire...but I think how we came to be a top 10 team is important to remember. A Wrightstil type player...okay. A bag of money and "over-recruiting" Jop and Ben...seems to go against what got us here.
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Hopefully he was able to find a direct flight from Milwaukee to Memphis.
do you mean non stop when you said direct?
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do you mean non stop when you said direct?
I think you mean nonstop
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I understand the need/desire...but I think how we came to be a top 10 team is important to remember. A Wrightstil type player...okay. A bag of money and "over-recruiting" Jop and Ben...seems to go against what got us here.
This.
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It's me channeling my inner Shaka.
“Jop and Ben, I have a plan for both of you. You both have been an integral part of our success last year and I expect more from both of you this year. We will have multiple packages for both of you to succeed and help MU win a lot of games this year. As you know, I wont recruit over you as I have said multiple times because I am a man of my word and I want you to stay at MU.”
This is how I believe Shaka handles the players currently on his team.
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I understand the need/desire...but I think how we came to be a top 10 team is important to remember. A Wrightstil type player...okay. A bag of money and "over-recruiting" Jop and Ben...seems to go against what got us here.
Well said. There's no question that bringing in an high- level replacement would help tremendously. It's just that when the downside-messing with the system/culture what got us to where we are-outweighs the upside of a high-level transfer. It comes down to a balance scale decision, and I think Shaka passes on the transfer option.
Not very often that I disagree with Goose, but I do on this matter.
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Well said. There's no question that bringing in an high- level replacement would help tremendously. It's just that when the downside-messing with the system/culture what got us to where we are-outweighs the upside of a high-level transfer. It comes down to a balance scale decision, and I think Shaka passes on the transfer option.
Not very often that I disagree with Goose, but I do on this matter.
It might be an exercise in futility, since:
1. Omax may be coming back
2. How many players in the portal are better than Gold or Jop
3. If they are better, are they even interest in MU
4.If they are interest in MU (do they require $$)
5. If they are not better, are they willing to take lesser minutes here? (isn't that usually why they are transferring-to get a greater role?)
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Snoop
If Shaka signs a portal guy I am 99.9% confident he would fit the culture. There are minutes that may need to be replaced and a certain skillset as well. Again, I would be surprised if they left a spot vacant.
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Well said. There's no question that bringing in an high- level replacement would help tremendously. It's just that when the downside-messing with the system/culture what got us to where we are-outweighs the upside of a high-level transfer. It comes down to a balance scale decision, and I think Shaka passes on the transfer option.
Not very often that I disagree with Goose, but I do on this matter.
How do you explain Shaka's recruitment of Joson Sanon? Do you really think Shaka told the #12 ranked HS player that he's going to be a backup for two or three years while Zaide Lowrey and Damarius Owens work through their eligibility?
The mere fact that Shaka is already recruiting over a couple of guys yet to play their first game demonstrates that fealty to culture is going to take a back seat to building the best team possible. If there's an opportunity to improve the team, he's going to take it.
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How do you explain Shaka's recruitment of Joson Sanon? Do you really think Shaka told the #12 ranked HS player that he's going to be a backup for two or three years while Zaide Lowrey and Damarius Owens work through their eligibility?
The mere fact that Shaka is already recruiting over a couple of guys yet to play their first game demonstrates that fealty to culture is going to take a back seat to building the best team possible. If there's an opportunity to improve the team, he's going to take it.
Big difference between Shaka recruiting high school kids versus grabbing a guy from the portal
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Big difference between Shaka recruiting high school kids versus grabbing a guy from the portal
If it supports his belief, let a minor detail like this slide.
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Shaka has picked up four guys from the portal and everyone fit his culture and were not major gets on paper. Not sure why anyone would not believe that there are similar fits every year. I do not Shaka is going to chase the big fish, but there are a lot of talented players in the portal every year that can be a good fit.
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Shaka has picked up four guys from the portal and everyone fit his culture and were not major gets on paper. Not sure why anyone would not believe that there are similar fits every year. I do not Shaka is going to chase the big fish, but there are a lot of talented players in the portal every year that can be a good fit.
This
Also, the kid better damn well not have good sidewalks
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Shaka has picked up four guys from the portal and everyone fit his culture and were not major gets on paper. Not sure why anyone would not believe that there are similar fits every year. I do not Shaka is going to chase the big fish, but there are a lot of talented players in the portal every year that can be a good fit.
And if shaka does chase a big fish that's probably a bad thing because it means Omax told him he is 100% gone. And then we can probably throw away our top 5 team/ NCAA Championship aspirations.
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Two former MU targets went in the portal today
D'Marco Dunn and Mac Etienne
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1656746354306084873
https://twitter.com/247HSHoops/status/1656724772477075462
Etienne didn't really live up to the hype at UCLA, but he could fill that "back up big" role we need. I don't know much about his defensive ability though, and that's probably what we're looking for more than anything.
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And if shaka does chase a big fish that's probably a bad thing because it means Omax told him he is 100% gone. And then we can probably throw away our top 5 team/ NCAA Championship aspirations.
If we lose O-Max and add no one, I fully expect next year's offense to be better and think top-5 and NCAA Championship are still completely valid expectations. We're better with him, but we're still one of the best teams in the country without him.
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Big difference between Shaka recruiting high school kids versus grabbing a guy from the portal
Not to the player getting recruited over.
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How do you explain Shaka's recruitment of Joson Sanon? Do you really think Shaka told the #12 ranked HS player that he's going to be a backup for two or three years while Zaide Lowrey and Damarius Owens work through their eligibility?
The mere fact that Shaka is already recruiting over a couple of guys yet to play their first game demonstrates that fealty to culture is going to take a back seat to building the best team possible. If there's an opportunity to improve the team, he's going to take it.
Joson Sanon, who shaka has been already recruiting for over a year, is still only 16 years old and in the class of 2025. Shaka started recruiting him when he was going into his sophmore year. At the time he was at BABC, the same AAU team as Tre Norman. Working with CJ Ward who also trained Tyler Kolek and was his prep school coach.
The basis and backbone of Shaka's recruiting is relationships not "improvement at all costs". You recruit people by telling them the truth, trying to help them accomplish their goals.
Also..... Joson Sanon is clearly a guard if you have watched him play. Likely a combo/two guard.
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Shaka has picked up four guys from the portal and everyone fit his culture and were not major gets on paper. Not sure why anyone would not believe that there are similar fits every year. I do not Shaka is going to chase the big fish, but there are a lot of talented players in the portal every year that can be a good fit.
A transfer coming to MU this year on a top 5 team, getting 22 minutes/game would be the definition of chasing a big fish.
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Final Four
You obviously have more confidence that the incoming freshmen can replace the minutes lost by an Omax departure. Fair enough. Again, time will tell. For the record, if someone is signed, I will be curious to see the take of some scoopers. I would hope it would be disappointment because of how it would upset the culture and there are not 22 minutes available.
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If we lose O-Max and add no one, I fully expect next year's offense to be better and think top-5 and NCAA Championship are still completely valid expectations. We're better with him, but we're still one of the best teams in the country without him.
For me i see it like this.
If Omax comes back, I don't think MU will leave the top 12 no matter what happens. And we might sit at 3rd all season and have a shot at an NCAA championship.
If he doesn't come back, it will take Shaka breaking through with multiple guys again to reach those top 5 heights. I think realistically without him we would sit around 10th, and have a floor near the back half of the top 25 and a ceiling of 5th or 6th. It would rely too heavily on Joplin and Gold becoming viable defensive players.
We just don't have a path to a top 20 defense without Omax.
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Not to the player getting recruited over.
Sanon is a guard. It will just really be Sean Jones and Tre Norman on the roster. And he and Tre know each other.
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For me i see it like this.
If Omax comes back, I don't think MU will leave the top 12 no matter what happens. And we might sit at 3rd all season and have a shot at an NCAA championship.
If he doesn't come back, it will take Shaka breaking through with multiple guys again to reach those top 5 heights. I think realistically without him we would sit around 10th, and have a floor near the back half of the top 25 and a ceiling of 5th or 6th. It would rely too heavily on Joplin and Gold becoming viable defensive players.
We just don't have a path to a top 20 defense without Omax.
Agree. The D without OMax’s length and flexibility is just far different.
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avid
To not fill a valuable spot on preseason top 10 team seems crazy to me. Time will tell what will happen, but I am betting an addition to the team.
One of the things which made us good last year was team chemistry. Bringing in a transfer can have a negative effect on this. I be happy if they brought back Wrightsel, because he fit in with the team chemistry and would be a valuable practice player. Bringing in a player from the transfer portal is bringing in someone, who was not happy were they were at.
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I believe Shaka is very capable of recruiting talented players at every position while still being honest with his players and still focusing on "culture."
One could argue that signing Lowery and Norman was "recruiting over" Chase and Sean, but that would be a poor argument IMHO. This isn't bitty ball. Athletes have to earn their spots, and a coach who wants to contend for conference titles and deep NCAAT runs must keep recruiting talented players. A big part of a coach's job is handling egos, and I think Shaka's pretty good at that.
Basically, I'm in the "I trust Shaka" camp. I simply assume that if he brings in somebody, especially if O-Max leaves, Shaka will feel good about what that player will bring both on the court and to the program's culture.
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Final Four
You obviously have more confidence that the incoming freshmen can replace the minutes lost by an Omax departure. Fair enough. Again, time will tell. For the record, if someone is signed, I will be curious to see the take of some scoopers. I would hope it would be disappointment because of how it would upset the culture and there are not 22 minutes available.
Goose-
You are backpedaling a little bit here.
If OMax doesn’t return…
You have gone from….we need a high impacter transfer who will get 20-22 minutes/gm to……....I think we will sign someone.
It would not shock me to see Zach or a Jayce Johnson (Oso backup) 10-12 minute guy come on board, but Omax will not be replaced by Omax 2.0 through the portal.
Shaka’s strength lies in his ability to develop a team. He knows what he’s doing. He hasn’t bumped his head. He is not going to sign a high impact transfer, which means giving him $$, to satisfy your expectations.
If Omax doesn’t return, I expect Jop, Ben, Chase and maybe others to fill any voids. Shaka’s staff is a creative bunch.
As far as the freshman, I don’t expect any of them to significantly replace OMax minutes.
I hope Tre is what we want him to be as a frosh, but I dont think he is figuring into this equation.
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Bill Self transfers in Dickinson and then loses a McDonald’s AA as a result. MU has a chance to win it all next year, so damn right Shaka should bring in an impact transfer if he has the chance. Losing Omax makes the team weaker, and last year’s team had holes to start with (namely rebounding).
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Joson Sanon, who shaka has been already recruiting for over a year, is still only 16 years old and in the class of 2025. Shaka started recruiting him when he was going into his sophmore year. At the time he was at BABC, the same AAU team as Tre Norman. Working with CJ Ward who also trained Tyler Kolek and was his prep school coach.
The basis and backbone of Shaka's recruiting is relationships not "improvement at all costs". You recruit people by telling them the truth, trying to help them accomplish their goals.
Also..... Joson Sanon is clearly a guard if you have watched him play. Likely a combo/two guard.
Your opinion notwithstanding, ESPN, On3, Rivals, 247, etc. all list him as a SF. And that's how he's identified in just about every article on his play and recruitment. It doesn't matter because regardless of position, there are other players already on the roster in his position.
I also don't see Sonan on Tre's BABC team roster, so are they really on the same team, or just in the same program?
https://www.theseasonticket.com/roster/show/6092280-babc-3ssb-ma-?subseason=726284 (https://www.theseasonticket.com/roster/show/6092280-babc-3ssb-ma-?subseason=726284)
Possibly the same program, but different teams?
The basis and backbone of Shaka's recruiting is relationships not "improvement at all costs". You recruit people by telling them the truth, trying to help them accomplish their goals.
Shaka is recruiting a potential 5-star player who blew up recently and he's been building that relationship for years. If Sonan commits to Marquette, he will likely pass multiple players on the depth chart on the day he arrives. In other words, someone is most likely getting recruited over.
At the same time, some here swear up and down that Shaka would never recruit over his current players because he values relationships and culture too much to risk it in order to land a better recruit.
These are incompatible situations.
My observation is that since Shaka hasn't backed off Sanon after he blew up, the latter statement lacks credibility.
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Didn't Shaka recruit over Keeyan when he got Gold?
If Shaka thinks there is a need for an upgrade in talent, he should address that. He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't.
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For me i see it like this.
If Omax comes back, I don't think MU will leave the top 12 no matter what happens. And we might sit at 3rd all season and have a shot at an NCAA championship.
If he doesn't come back, it will take Shaka breaking through with multiple guys again to reach those top 5 heights. I think realistically without him we would sit around 10th, and have a floor near the back half of the top 25 and a ceiling of 5th or 6th. It would rely too heavily on Joplin and Gold becoming viable defensive players.
We just don't have a path to a top 20 defense without Omax.
Defensively he'll be tough to replace. Will need a lot of improvement from Joplin and Gold, though Jop's hands (and ability to generate turnovers) got better as the year went on, and while the first year results with Oso/Gold weren't great on defense, I think there's a lot of tinkering that could be done there to make that duo work on the defensive end. Maybe deploy Oso as the post on offense with Gold on the wing, then switch and let Oso take the bigger wing/forward while Gold provides rim protection on the defensive end.
I think there was definitely some worry about the defense regressing without Morsell and Kuath (and to a lesser extent, Justin) and instead it improved. I wouldn't put it past this staff to continue to get defensive improvement as these players get more comfortable in the system. Top-20 might be a steep hill to climb, but I think #1 offense and top-30 defense is on the table even without O-Max.
That would be similar to two of the last three champions. Entering the tournament, Baylor was ranked #44 and Kansas was ranked #29 in adjusted defensive efficiency.
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Joson Sanon, who shaka has been already recruiting for over a year, is still only 16 years old and in the class of 2025. Shaka started recruiting him when he was going into his sophmore year. At the time he was at BABC, the same AAU team as Tre Norman. Working with CJ Ward who also trained Tyler Kolek and was his prep school coach.
I am still perplexed on Tyler’s high school recruitment. At first, I thought maybe he was just an under the radar guy. But, his dad was a great college player, he came from a great AAU program who also produced Connaughton, went to a known basketball prep team, was known by Cooley and other BE coaches. How the heck is his best offer George Mason and how the heck do their play him at 2G?
At least with Dwade and Crowder there were academics involved on their misses…but next to Jimmy Butler (although there was a mythical Kentucky offer), has here been a bigger miss by the rating services? Incredible success story for Tyler and Shaka.
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Final Four
I am not backpedaling at all. I think Shaka brings in a guy that will play 20-22 minutes and fill the Omax role. I am saying no one on here, myself included, had heard of Omax, Kolek or Kur before their arrival and I believe there is that type of player out there for next season.
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Didn't Shaka recruit over Keeyan when he got Gold?
If Shaka thinks there is a need for an upgrade in talent, he should address that. He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't.
Yessir.
This notion that Shaka is too good a guy to not "recruit over" a current or incoming player is silliness.
You bring in talented players and create competition for playing time, and the best players win most of that playing time. And if you are good at the very important ego-management part of your job, your team chemistry and culture are A-OK.
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Defensively he'll be tough to replace. Will need a lot of improvement from Joplin and Gold, though Jop's hands (and ability to generate turnovers) got better as the year went on, and while the first year results with Oso/Gold weren't great on defense, I think there's a lot of tinkering that could be done there to make that duo work on the defensive end. Maybe deploy Oso as the post on offense with Gold on the wing, then switch and let Oso take the bigger wing/forward while Gold provides rim protection on the defensive end.
I think there was definitely some worry about the defense regressing without Morsell and Kuath (and to a lesser extent, Justin) and instead it improved. I wouldn't put it past this staff to continue to get defensive improvement as these players get more comfortable in the system. Top-20 might be a steep hill to climb, but I think #1 offense and top-30 defense is on the table even without O-Max.
That would be similar to two of the last three champions. Entering the tournament, Baylor was ranked #44 and Kansas was ranked #29 in adjusted defensive efficiency.
Brew—-do you still think OMax returns to MU next year?
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Shaka should probably just have a pass first, non-scoring threat point guard, a shooting guard and small forward who do most of the scoring, a power forward who sets screens and rebounds, and an aircraft carrier center. That's the roster. 5 players, no walk ons, nothing. Keep those players happy.
Do people think the chemistry would've been incredible if the team was 15-16, 7-13? Winning is the biggest chemistry booster. And talent is the biggest winning booster. Sure, there are some talented kids that might not make sense for the roster and for what Shaka is doing. But the idea that if OMax is gone we can't add a player because Ben and Jop have a right to those vacated minutes is crazy.
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Yessir.
This notion that Shaka is too good a guy to not "recruit over" a current or incoming player is silliness.
You bring in talented players and create competition for playing time, and the best players win most of that playing time. And if you are good at the very important ego-management part of your job, your team chemistry and culture are A-OK.
I don't think people are saying he's "too good of a guy"
He's just said he won't recruit guys from elsewhere over guys he's already got. I'm sure there are exceptions, there is for everything...but Gold wasn't a transfer, Shaka views Gold as one of his own as Keeyan was.
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Yessir.
This notion that Shaka is too good a guy to not "recruit over" a current or incoming player is silliness.
You bring in talented players and create competition for playing time, and the best players win most of that playing time. And if you are good at the very important ego-management part of your job, your team chemistry and culture are A-OK.
Here is Shaka's direct quote:
"If we can bring in a transfer that makes sense for us that we think is a cultural fit for us, and he really wants to be at Marquette and be part of something bigger than himself, great. Let's do that," Smart said. "But if some guys try to come in here for a straight transaction, what can you do for me? What can I do for you? Yeah, we're good."
I just don't think there are difference makers out there willing to take a reduced role, free of charge.
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lawdog
Again, I doubt many on here thought Kolek and Omax would be difference makers at MU. Why can't there be an Omax 2.0 available in the portal?
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I think everyone is missing Goose’s point. There is an opportunity for a good player to come in and get minutes and be a contributor in place of OMax.
He isn’t talking about a Dickinson type who is looking at this as a cash transaction per se, but and opportunity transaction.
The chance to play on a good-to-potentially great team and develop should be seen as a great opportunity. Goose is also trusting Shaka to not randomly pick a guy based on reputation but a guy based on things he sees fit the team which includes culture.
Don’t overthink it. If he’s adding a dude, the guy is going to be a dude that can play Shaka ball
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lawdog
Again, I doubt many on here thought Kolek and Omax would be difference makers at MU. Why can't there be an Omax 2.0 available in the portal?
Omax's first year at Marquette was not a difference making year. There were glimpses of how good he could be. An Omax first year player is not going to be a difference maker on this years team. I'll say my opinion again. It's very unlikely that a player good enough to get 20 minutes a game on this team is either:
1. going to go to a program where he can start and get 30 mpg, or
2. looking for NIL
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Rico
Exactly my point. Truthfully, I think everyone knew my point, but thanks for clarifying things.
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Defensively he'll be tough to replace. Will need a lot of improvement from Joplin and Gold, though Jop's hands (and ability to generate turnovers) got better as the year went on, and while the first year results with Oso/Gold weren't great on defense, I think there's a lot of tinkering that could be done there to make that duo work on the defensive end. Maybe deploy Oso as the post on offense with Gold on the wing, then switch and let Oso take the bigger wing/forward while Gold provides rim protection on the defensive end.
I think there was definitely some worry about the defense regressing without Morsell and Kuath (and to a lesser extent, Justin) and instead it improved. I wouldn't put it past this staff to continue to get defensive improvement as these players get more comfortable in the system. Top-20 might be a steep hill to climb, but I think #1 offense and top-30 defense is on the table even without O-Max.
That would be similar to two of the last three champions. Entering the tournament, Baylor was ranked #44 and Kansas was ranked #29 in adjusted defensive efficiency.
A few things.
1. While Jopling improved defensively from last season to this season. I really don't know if he "improved" as the season went on, or if he just had some great defensive games against horrible offenses in the middle of the big east season. Seton Hall, Depaul, and Butler mostly. In postseason play he was BAD defensively. No blocks, no steals. Poor on off defense. On was 107.7 ppp, off was 87.7 ppp. I hope he improves next season, I just doubt he will have a second jump in him.
2. I personally wasn't ever worried about "defensive regression last year". Oso and Stevie were genuinely the two best defensive players for marquette both seasons. Kur sold out for blocks too often. Morsell took the hardest matchups and carried too much of the offense for us, so it was hard for him to show how good of defenisve player he was. One good source is Evanmiya.com, both their DBPR's were the two highest each season. This year, I am worried because our most versatile defensive player is likely being replaced by Joplin who isn't the best defender. When Joplin was on the court last year, he gave up loads of threes.
He are some OMax defensive stats.
- MU Opponents were 3-for-26 (11.5 percent) on 3-pointers when OMax contested their jumper
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- MU Opponents shot merely 17-for-71 (23.9 percent) on all possessions when OMax was credited as the nearest defender
3. As for those two national champions. Each school of these had 5 starters who defended better than Joplin did this year. He still can improve, but it will require a new level of defending from him.
I just think the first and second best offense and the 28th-30th best defense will make us the 5th or 6th best team. And while you can win a title like that. It won't be a thought in my mind for this team without Omax.
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Rico
Exactly my point. Truthfully, I think everyone knew my point, but thanks for clarifying things.
I don't see it...who in the portal fits your criteria?
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lawdog
Omax was enough of a difference maker his first year that Tower and I both said last summer he would be going pro in nine months.
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I agree Goose. I think Shaka has a great eye for talent that can thrive in his system. We weren’t winning any offseason recruiting lists with Kolek and OMax, but one was BEPOY and the other we are biting our nails will enter the NBA Draft.
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I don't understand why people think talented necessarily means doesn't fit the culture. There are players who are both.
Culture also doesn't mean never recruiting over players. Itejeres already been recruited over. There will be others.
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I know MU reached out to a few kids, but did anyone visit?
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lawdog
Omax was enough of a difference maker his first year that Tower and I both said last summer he would be going pro in nine months.
His first year here he scored over 20 once (against Georgetown). His next 3 high scoring games (16, 16, and 13) were in losses. Like I said earlier, he showed glimpses, but I wouldn't consider that a guy would get 20+ mpg on next years team.
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I have said it multiple times, if Shaka does not replace Omax he is not confident that this is a top ten team and is building for the future. If that is the case, I am 100% supportive of that. I am watching closely because if he lands a portal guy, I think he is all in for next season.
lawdog
That is your opinion and I felt differently. I thought he was the key to success going into last season.
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I have said it multiple times, if Shaka does not replace Omax he is not confident that this is a top ten team and is building for the future. If that is the case, I am 100% supportive of that. I am watching closely because if he lands a portal guy, I think he is all in for next season.
lawdog
That is your opinion and I felt differently. I thought he was the key to success going into last season.
In terms of your first paragraph, why would you think Shaka doesn't feel like this is a Top 10 team? If anything, to me, I would think if he doesn't hit the portal, he is pretty confident that this team could make a deep run. Desperation can often cause errors.
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I am "worried" if OMax doesn't come back. We were an average defensive team last season. Removing your best defender from an average defensive team usually doesn't result in an improved defense. I don't think the defense is doomed, there's room for improvement with most of the returners and Norman and Lowery come with reps as strong defenders. But I would feel better if Omax came back...or we got a defensive specialist in the portal....or ideally, both. Still think Kur was our missing ingredient last season
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I have said it multiple times, if Shaka does not replace Omax he is not confident that this is a top ten team and is building for the future. If that is the case, I am 100% supportive of that. I am watching closely because if he lands a portal guy, I think he is all in for next season.
lawdog
That is your opinion and I felt differently. I thought he was the key to success going into last season.
Why not both? I could see him adding a 7th or 8than type that could be a key cog in the future. It seems like most of our portal guys have multiple years of eligibility.
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TAMU
Agree 100%. They were a Kur away from being really, really good last year. If no Omax or suitable replacement, my expectations fall a great deal for next season.
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The May Malaise is in full swing
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I am "worried" if OMax doesn't come back. We were an average defensive team last season. Removing your best defender from an average defensive team usually doesn't result in an improved defense. I don't think the defense is doomed, there's room for improvement with most of the returners and Norman and Lowery come with reps as strong defenders. But I would feel better if Omax came back...or we got a defensive specialist in the portal....or ideally, both. Still think Kur was our missing ingredient last season
Everything except this last sentance. Kur was kinda average defensively. He got plenty of blocks adding to his defensive box score. BUT
His on court team adjusted defensive rating was 97.7. The third worst on the team only Elliot and Kam Jones were worse.
In 2021. With Kur Kuath on the court. Marquette's defense allowed 102.1 ppp/100, the 86th adjusted defense.
In 2021. With Oso on the Court. Marquette defense allowed 96.0 ppp/100, the 22nd adjusted defense.
https://hoop-explorer.com/OnOffAnalyzer?autoOffQuery=false&baseQuery=&calcRapm=true&gender=Men&maxRank=400&minRank=0&offQuery=%22Ighodaro%2C%20Oso%22%20&onQuery=%22Kuath%2C%20Kur%22%20&showGrades=rank%3ACombo&team=Marquette&year=2021%2F22&
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Dr. B
Good line. I don't think the sky would fall, but think those that believe being in top 25 all seasons might be overly optimistic. With or without Omax they should be good, just I am guarded than some on here. Have to add, I love Joplin and Gold, just think they need some help on the defensive side of the court.
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Everything except this last sentance. Kur was kinda average defensively. He got plenty of blocks adding to his defensive box score. BUT
His on court team adjusted defensive rating was 97.7. The third worst on the team only Elliot and Kam Jones were worse.
In 2021. With Kur Kuath on the court. Marquette's defense allowed 102.1 ppp/100, the 86th adjusted defense.
In 2021. With Oso on the Court. Marquette defense allowed 96.0 ppp/100, the 22nd adjusted defense.
https://hoop-explorer.com/OnOffAnalyzer?autoOffQuery=false&baseQuery=&calcRapm=true&gender=Men&maxRank=400&minRank=0&offQuery=%22Ighodaro%2C%20Oso%22%20&onQuery=%22Kuath%2C%20Kur%22%20&showGrades=rank%3ACombo&team=Marquette&year=2021%2F22&
Yep, not sure how Kur would have been the missing ingredient. Would he have been the difference maker to beat MSU? Because before that game, we had an almost perfect season.
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lawdog
I would be willing to bet that MU signs a Kur like portal guy in the next few weeks. Only issues, you would dispute how "Kur like" he actually was or he only played 19 minutes a game or he was left-handed or he wore low top basketball shoes and the list would never end.
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TAMU
Agree 100%. They were a Kur away from being really, really good last year. If no Omax or suitable replacement, my expectations fall a great deal for next season.
They were really really good last year as is.
Maybe if they would've played Oso more than Kur, they would've been better in 2021-2022.
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Brew—-do you still think OMax returns to MU next year?
I'm less optimistic than I was when he declared. Initially, I thought it was 80/20 he comes back, now I'm closer to 45/55. Getting the direct combine invite makes it less likely he returns, but I don't think it's as dire as the percentages of people that declared and didn't return last year. Many of those were first round locks, so that slants the number.
A few things.
1. While Jopling improved defensively from last season to this season. I really don't know if he "improved" as the season went on, or if he just had some great defensive games against horrible offenses in the middle of the big east season. Seton Hall, Depaul, and Butler mostly. In postseason play he was BAD defensively. No blocks, no steals. Poor on off defense. On was 107.7 ppp, off was 87.7 ppp. I hope he improves next season, I just doubt he will have a second jump in him.
2. I personally wasn't ever worried about "defensive regression last year". Oso and Stevie were genuinely the two best defensive players for marquette both seasons. Kur sold out for blocks too often. Morsell took the hardest matchups and carried too much of the offense for us, so it was hard for him to show how good of defenisve player he was. One good source is Evanmiya.com, both their DBPR's were the two highest each season. This year, I am worried because our most versatile defensive player is likely being replaced by Joplin who isn't the best defender. When Joplin was on the court last year, he gave up loads of threes.
He are some OMax defensive stats.
- MU Opponents were 3-for-26 (11.5 percent) on 3-pointers when OMax contested their jumper
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- MU Opponents shot merely 17-for-71 (23.9 percent) on all possessions when OMax was credited as the nearest defender
3. As for those two national champions. Each school of these had 5 starters who defended better than Joplin did this year. He still can improve, but it will require a new level of defending from him.
I just think the first and second best offense and the 28th-30th best defense will make us the 5th or 6th best team. And while you can win a title like that. It won't be a thought in my mind for this team without Omax.
Those numbers, no matter what any site says, simply aren't accurate. Andrei from Paint Touches was manually tracking that 3P stat and O-Max had way more than 26 threes defended. That's less than 1 per game. And he was nearest defender less than 2 times per game? I don't know how they're calculating that, but there's simply no way those numbers are correct.
I think it will take creativity, good coaching, and another transfer forward could help, I'm just not ready to give up on a quality defense because of one player just yet. And while Jop likely has a lower defensive ceiling, I think Gold, Ross, & others could have notably higher defensive ceilings than they've shown.
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Yep, not sure how Kur would have been the missing ingredient. Would he have been the difference maker to beat MSU? Because before that game, we had an almost perfect season.
I think in the MSU game specifically. As for issues in that game.
1. Kolek was banged up, and stunk on offense (probably the most important thing.)
2. Joplin and Ross weren't ready and had bad offensive games, probably nerves. Sean Jones too, but that was all last season, i just don't know what to expect from him, I hope his wrist injury was a hampering him and he is all good now.
3. While oso a tiny bit poor defensively. And struggled with Mady Sissoko, and Joey Hauser who got too many calls honestly.
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Kur set the tone multiple games during the great run two years ago. No way they have that run without Kur, IMO. Guys like Kur can tilt the game in very subtle ways.
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I just hope it’s not a white guy
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lawdog
I would be willing to bet that MU signs a Kur like portal guy in the next few weeks. Only issues, you would dispute how "Kur like" he actually was or he only played 19 minutes a game or he was left-handed or he wore low top basketball shoes and the list would never end.
Bringing in a Kur like player isn't really replacing an O-Max now, is it? If this player is Kur-like, he's definitely not taking 20 minutes from Oso.
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I'm less optimistic than I was when he declared. Initially, I thought it was 80/20 he comes back, now I'm closer to 45/55. Getting the direct combine invite makes it less likely he returns, but I don't think it's as dire as the percentages of people that declared and didn't return last year. Many of those were first round locks, so that slants the number.
Those numbers, no matter what any site says, simply aren't accurate. Andrei from Paint Touches was manually tracking that 3P stat and O-Max had way more than 26 threes defended. That's less than 1 per game. And he was nearest defender less than 2 times per game? I don't know how they're calculating that, but there's simply no way those numbers are correct.
I think it will take creativity, good coaching, and another transfer forward could help, I'm just not ready to give up on a quality defense because of one player just yet. And while Jop likely has a lower defensive ceiling, I think Gold, Ross, & others could have notably higher defensive ceilings than they've shown.
Blame. statsperform. and this for the win article. This was where i got them from.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/04/nba-draft-olivier-maxence-prosper-sleeper-marquette and another article that was on this site.
I don't know how they do calculations either.
If i have to guess where we finish. It would just be like 4th offensively, 40th defensively, and like 10th overall. Until a I see some high level defense from either Joplin or Gold.
I think Gold is the key for the season without OMax personally.
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lawdog
They do not need to replace Omax on the offense but do on defense. I assumed everyone that watches the team knew there was a potential hole on defense that needed to be filled.
No kidding no one is taking 20mpg from Oso. They will be filling the nearly 30 minutes that left when Omax declared.
Enjoy the offseason.
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lawdog
They do not need to replace Omax on the offense but do on defense. I assumed everyone that watches the team knew there was a potential hole on defense that needed to be filled.
No kidding no one is taking 20mpg from Oso. They will be filling the nearly 30 minutes that left when Omax declared.
Enjoy the offseason.
You too! I'll let you have the last word.No need to beat this dead horse any more.
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OMax… 10th worst true high major dr% among guys 6’8” or taller and playing at least 40% mins… out of 159
#muMbb
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OMax… 10th worst true high major dr% among guys 6’8” or taller and playing at least 40% mins… out of 159
#muMbb
Contextually, that makes sense.
Probably had the highest percentage of minutes guarding guards of any player over 6'8" last year.
He took Morsell's role from the year before. The hardest defensive assignments on the team, at the risk of hurting his own defensive Box scores.
The same thing might happen to Stevie next year.
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Blame. statsperform. and this for the win article. This was where i got them from.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/04/nba-draft-olivier-maxence-prosper-sleeper-marquette and another article that was on this site.
I don't know how they do calculations either.
If i have to guess where we finish. It would just be like 4th offensively, 40th defensively, and like 10th overall. Until a I see some high level defense from either Joplin or Gold.
I think Gold is the key for the season without OMax personally.
I saw that too and really wonder about their methodology. It sounds impressive, and maybe the percentages are right, but I find those attempts defended totals just implausible for a guy that played 29 mpg and frequently took on opponents' best offensive wings.
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TAMU
Agree 100%. They were a Kur away from being really, really good last year. If no Omax or suitable replacement, my expectations fall a great deal for next season.
I do not see a big fall in my expectations, if Omax does not comeback. Unless you consider top 5 vs top 10 a big fall. I expect us to be top 10 either way.
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bilsu
I hope are correct.
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Having Amadou as our 4th big (Oso, Gold, Joplin) scares the hell out of me. MU dodged injuries during the season for the.most part. I am skeptical about that luck continuing.
I want a big. And I can foresee Oso playing a role similar to Omax last season in spurts. He has the footwork and intelligence. Just needs a jumper.
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Having Amadou as our 4th big (Oso, Gold, Joplin) scares the hell out of me. MU dodged injuries during the season for the.most part. I am skeptical about that luck continuing.
I want a big. And I can foresee Oso playing a role similar to Omax last season in spurts. He has the footwork and intelligence. Just needs a jumper.
Not only did we dodge injuries but we dodged foul trouble. We need another big in a bad way.
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tower and panda
I agree completely. That I is why I have been saying that one will be landed if Shaka is all in on next season or not. Going into next season with Oso and Gold being the only proven, of somewhat proven in Gold’s case, would be a major gamble. It would be a bigger gamble if they are a preseason top ten team, imo.
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I just hope it’s not a white guy
Ya kant sey dat heer, hey?
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Man, I hope OMax returns so we dont have conversations about how dedicated Shaka really is……..
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Final Four
I am not questioning how dedicated Shaka is by any stretch. I find it funny that most on here have underestimated the trajectory of the program and now believe they will be top ten without a key member.
Truth be told, I would have zero problem if Shaka did not sign someone if he felt using it next year was best for the program.
You are not going to find a bigger Shaka backer than me and I am good regardless of what he does. If he replaces Omax, my excitement for next year rises. Excitement for the next five years could not be higher for me.
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Final Four
I am not questioning how dedicated Shaka is by any stretch. I find it funny that most on here have underestimated the trajectory of the program and now believe they will be top ten without a key member.
Truth be told, I would have zero problem if Shaka did not sign someone if he felt using it next year was best for the program.
You are not going to find a bigger Shaka backer than me and I am good regardless of what he does. If he replaces Omax, my excitement for next year rises. Excitement for the next five years could not be higher for me.
Goose—I agree. It is a great time to be a
#MUMBB fan. So great to talk about top ten etc. so soon. It will be a fun season and can’t wait!
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Everything except this last sentance. Kur was kinda average defensively. He got plenty of blocks adding to his defensive box score. BUT
His on court team adjusted defensive rating was 97.7. The third worst on the team only Elliot and Kam Jones were worse.
In 2021. With Kur Kuath on the court. Marquette's defense allowed 102.1 ppp/100, the 86th adjusted defense.
In 2021. With Oso on the Court. Marquette defense allowed 96.0 ppp/100, the 22nd adjusted defense.
https://hoop-explorer.com/OnOffAnalyzer?autoOffQuery=false&baseQuery=&calcRapm=true&gender=Men&maxRank=400&minRank=0&offQuery=%22Ighodaro%2C%20Oso%22%20&onQuery=%22Kuath%2C%20Kur%22%20&showGrades=rank%3ACombo&team=Marquette&year=2021%2F22&
For one, I'd say that I didn't mean Kur literally, I meant a Kur type player. For another, I'd say that defensive value is very difficult to quantify accurately. I think there is great value to having two different styles of defensive bigs to switch between.
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Yep, not sure how Kur would have been the missing ingredient. Would he have been the difference maker to beat MSU? Because before that game, we had an almost perfect season.
Considering that our biggest problem in that game was our inability to stop MSU from scoring at the rim, I think an elite shot blocker may have actually been a huge help in that game. Enough to change the outcome? I don't know. A player like that also could have resulted in winning a couple more close games (Purdue, MSST, Wisconsin, @PROV, @X) so maybe we end up with a 1 seed instead.
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Considering that our biggest problem in that game was our inability to stop MSU from scoring at the rim, I think an elite shot blocker may have actually been a huge help in that game. Enough to change the outcome? I don't know. A player like that also could have resulted in winning a couple more close games (Purdue, MSST, Wisconsin, @PROV, @X) so maybe we end up with a 1 seed instead.
Our problem against Michigan State was that the BEPOY & BETMOP was MIA. Kolek playing at that standard would have made all of the difference.
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Our problem against Michigan State was that the BEPOY & BETMOP was MIA. Kolek playing at that standard would have made all of the difference.
Michigan State shot 22/38 (57.9%) inside the arc. For context, if a defense allowed that as their average over the course of season, they would ranked 361st (out of 363) in 2P% defense.
Safe to say there was more than one problem that game.
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Contextually, that makes sense.
Probably had the highest percentage of minutes guarding guards of any player over 6'8" last year.
He took Morsell's role from the year before. The hardest defensive assignments on the team, at the risk of hurting his own defensive Box scores.
The same thing might happen to Stevie next year.
One of the problems I had with Omax was even after securing a rebound he turn it over to often. Maybe, I just did not value him enough, but I do not see us playing Gold and Joplin more, because Omax does not comeback as a big loss.
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Michigan State shot 22/38 (57.9%) inside the arc. For context, if a defense allowed that as their average over the course of season, they would ranked 361st (out of 363) in 2P% defense.
MU very vulnerable to bully ball with larger guards and forwards driving to rack. MSU did it as did STJ. That's why a defensive center pickup to spell OSO would sure have been nice. Losing OMAX with expose this even more. Not Good.
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Having Amadou as our 4th big (Oso, Gold, Joplin) scares the hell out of me. MU dodged injuries during the season for the.most part. I am skeptical about that luck continuing.
I want a big. And I can foresee Oso playing a role similar to Omax last season in spurts. He has the footwork and intelligence. Just needs a jumper.
Concerned about a 4th big - man the program has progressed so much. I take everything thing tower says seriously of course, one of the posters I look to when reading these boards but I differ here. We have enough bigs imho to compete for championship this year. I base that on the prediction that Chase Ross makes huge jump. His ceiling is super high and combo with Gold and Joplin, team together for 2nd/3rd year our defense will be better than last year, same with offense..
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Michigan State shot 22/38 (57.9%) inside the arc. For context, if a defense allowed that as their average over the course of season, they would ranked 361st (out of 363) in 2P% defense.
Safe to say there was more than one problem that game.
Good thing our offense shot 58.4% inside the arc for the ENTIRE SEASON.
Our inside the arc shoot contesting wasn't the best. 185th for the season. But this years defense still improved on last years. Which is nuts.
Just flat out WON by turnover generation and offensive capabilities.
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Good thing our offense shot 58.4% inside the arc for the ENTIRE SEASON.
Our inside the arc shoot contesting wasn't the best. 185th for the season. But this years defense still improved on last years. Which is nuts.
#FakeNews #Lies
58.4% is FALSE!
Second point is debatable… what is true is that we gave up more points per possession this season compared to the previous year.
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#FakeNews #Lies
58.4% is FALSE!
Second point is debatable… what is true is that we gave up more points per possession this season compared to the previous year.
Marquette's offense, shot 58.2% on 2pFGA on the season. (I looked at KP, and saw the 4th ranking)
We gave up more PPP this season compared to last, but it was tougher schedule this year. And the D1 offensive efficiency jumped from 102.9 to 104.8 this year. (that's kinda nuts.)
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I looked at KP
Aka indisputable fact
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Aka indisputable fact
my guy doesn't like numbers because he loves aj storr with his whole heart.
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Concerned about a 4th big - man the program has progressed so much. I take everything thing tower says seriously of course, one of the posters I look to when reading these boards but I differ here. We have enough bigs imho to compete for championship this year. I base that on the prediction that Chase Ross makes huge jump. His ceiling is super high and combo with Gold and Joplin, team together for 2nd/3rd year our defense will be better than last year, same with offense..
Thanks. If you guarantee that Oso, Ben, and Joplin stay healthy for 35 games, then I think there is enough size. I am skeptical that MU gets through a second season relatively injury free.
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my guy doesn't like numbers because he loves aj storr with his whole heart.
No I respect posters who can interpret data and convey a message which incorporates their strong knowledge of X’s and O’s.
Regurgitating data from websites without any further interpretation takes zero knowledge/skill. Literally anyone can do that. Love him or hate him, JB can look at data and factor in on court analysis, developing conclusions from all of the available information.
You just have internet access with a Kenpom password.
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tower
I think we need more size regardless if another healthy season. Too much potentially at stake to roll the dice, imo. I say that because we had a real chance to go deep into March last year and next year could be another very good opportunity.
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No I respect posters who can interpret data and convey a message which incorporates their strong knowledge of X’s and O’s.
Regurgitating data from websites without any further interpretation takes zero knowledge/skill. Literally anyone can do that. Love him or hate him, JB can look at data and factor in on court analysis, developing conclusions from all of the available information.
You just have internet access with a Kenpom password.
There was no analysis. It’s a simple statistic. If you have reason to believe it’s not correct, please share.
Have you and JayBee considered starting a spinoff Scoop? Please consider it, I’m sure it would be a success.
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There was no analysis. It’s a simple statistic. If you have reason to believe it’s not correct, please share.
Have you and JayBee considered starting a spinoff Scoop? Please consider it, I’m sure it would be a success.
❄️❄️❄️
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No I respect posters who can interpret data and convey a message which incorporates their strong knowledge of X’s and O’s.
Regurgitating data from websites without any further interpretation takes zero knowledge/skill. Literally anyone can do that. Love him or hate him, JB can look at data and factor in on court analysis, developing conclusions from all of the available information.
You just have internet access with a Kenpom password.
I do both.... numbers is just easier...
Also... being against using 2pt FG%, is perhaps the dumbest stat to be against.
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I do both....
(http://file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/97/07/56F9946C-FF96-4389-B9CB-357B0A5C8E50/Image-1.png)
I’ll take your word for it. Just like the totally reasonable claim from Kim Jong about his -38 golf round.
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(http://file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/97/07/56F9946C-FF96-4389-B9CB-357B0A5C8E50/Image-1.png)
I’ll take your word for it. Just like the totally reasonable claim from Kim Jong about his -38 golf round.
Genius.... scroll back to when someone else brings up a stat about Omax rebounding poorly for his height. I talk about how his defensive matchups are frequently guards. Literally did it in this thread.
If you can't think about stats and X and Os at the same time.... you just arn't trying to learn about your team or sports in general.
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Genius.... scroll back to when someone else brings up a stat about Omax rebounding poorly for his height. I talk about how his defensive matchups are frequently guards. Literally did it in this thread.
If you can't think about stats and X and Os at the same time.... you just arn't trying to learn about your team or sports in general.
If he was a good rebounder, he’d grab more rebounds. Those aren’t marginal numbers. He’s not great.
Some of that had to do with his tendency to leak out in trans but most of it has to do with the fact he doesn’t have a desire to rebound.
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tower
I think we need more size regardless if another healthy season. Too much potentially at stake to roll the dice, imo. I say that because we had a real chance to go deep into March last year and next year could be another very good opportunity.
Agreed. Would be nice to maximize this team’s potential. Adding another big for defense and rebounding would be nice. Will be fun regardless but there is a window next year that is open to potentially win it all.
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If he was a good rebounder, he’d grab more rebounds. Those aren’t marginal numbers. He’s not great.
Some of that had to do with his tendency to leak out in trans but most of it has to do with the fact he doesn’t have a desire to rebound.
someone likes those rebounding stats. you stathead.
all kidding aside. I don't think OMax is a "great" rebounder. But, I also don't think OMax is an horrendous rebounder, like that stat indicated. He's pretty average at rebounding. He guarded guards a lot, and he leaked out a lot.
Marquette's X's and O's defensively was predicated on generating turnovers. And our bigs switched a ton. Both OMax and Oso forwards would probably be a slightly better rebounders in a different defensive structure.
Additionally, one reason as to why reason's Joplin is a decent rebounder is because he doesn't always stay with his guy. He gets lost on his guy more often than our other defenders. He'll miss a switch from time to time. Thus, as a result defensive positioning on his man, when he is lost, you see him more inclined to go for boards. He makes himself useful in this way.
But i only look at stats and post them, so i can't have observations like this
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On OMax, I think it's worthwhile to point out that he's been in the same ballpark each year when it comes to DR%. 13.1% as a true frosh, 13.5% in year 1 with #muMbb, and 12.2% this past season. The OR% has bounced around. If he comes back to #muMbb, I think a big challenge for him is to boost those rebounding numbers. We could use it.
Jop really elevated last year. A weak 9.5% as a frosh, up to 15.3% last season, including 16.8% in conf play. Really nice and I hope he can keep things there going forward.
Obviously our D rebounding was bad news last year.. OMax leaving probably* doesn't hurt us much.. but.. I don't know how we get to be even 'ok' at def rebounding this coming year. I think it's something that still holds the defense back.
Kolek (12.6%), Kam (13.5%)... and Jop.. I don't think you can ask anything more from - maybe it's just a hope they repeat or come close to it. Can Oso improve on 15.8%? Maybe not much, but I think he can improve on his 13.8% in conference play.
Big question mark is Gold. If he's getting more minutes, what does his DR% look like? He had an almost unthinkably low 7.7% a year ago. I do think he's capable of at least matching OMax's percentage...
But.. unless we bring in a rebounder who gets minutes... gonna be not great next season... no matta what OMax does
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someone likes those rebounding stats. you stathead.
all kidding aside. I don't think OMax is a "great" rebounder. But, I also don't think OMax is an horrendous rebounder, like that stat indicated. He's pretty average at rebounding. He guarded guards a lot, and he leaked out a lot.
Marquette's X's and O's defensively was predicated on generating turnovers. And our bigs switched a ton. Both OMax and Oso forwards would probably be a slightly better rebounders in a different defensive structure.
Additionally, one reason as to why reason's Joplin is a decent rebounder is because he doesn't always stay with his guy. He gets lost on his guy more often than our other defenders. He'll miss a switch from time to time. Thus, as a result defensive positioning on his man, when he is lost, you see him more inclined to go for boards. He makes himself useful in this way.
But i only look at stats and post them, so i can't have observations like this
If omax is a decent rebounder, the numbers would reflect it.
There’s grasping for straws and then there’s that explanation for omax’s poor rebounding numbers 😂😂
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On OMax, I think it's worthwhile to point out that he's been in the same ballpark each year when it comes to DR%. 13.1% as a true frosh, 13.5% in year 1 with #muMbb, and 12.2% this past season. The OR% has bounced around. If he comes back to #muMbb, I think a big challenge for him is to boost those rebounding numbers. We could use it.
Jop really elevated last year. A weak 9.5% as a frosh, up to 15.3% last season, including 16.8% in conf play. Really nice and I hope he can keep things there going forward.
Obviously our D rebounding was bad news last year.. OMax leaving probably* doesn't hurt us much.. but.. I don't know how we get to be even 'ok' at def rebounding this coming year. I think it's something that still holds the defense back.
Kolek (12.6%), Kam (13.5%)... and Jop.. I don't think you can ask anything more from - maybe it's just a hope they repeat or come close to it. Can Oso improve on 15.8%? Maybe not much, but I think he can improve on his 13.8% in conference play.
Big question mark is Gold. If he's getting more minutes, what does his DR% look like? He had an almost unthinkably low 7.7% a year ago. I do think he's capable of at least matching OMax's percentage...
But.. unless we bring in a rebounder who gets minutes... gonna be not great next season... no matta what OMax does
I think that’s fair. I will say Omax has only really played 108 minutes in a different defensive system at Clemson. And 13.5 was still the third best in 2021. The guards really didn’t rebound that year.
Oso definitely is taught to to box out his guy above all else before getting the ball. He definitely leave boards for others often.
I have no clue what to think of Ben Golds rebounding. It’s better than we saw. But it’s a question of how much. He won’t just get major run against Clignan like he did last year.
I do think that the staff believes TO’s are just flat out more important than boards, and I do agree with that premise. But we could still get better by 1-2 percent as a team.
I’m more troubled our ineffectiveness in contesting shots last year.
They can rebound however they want next year as long as they close out better and force their opponents to miss 3% more shots. That’s where the improvement should be made to me.
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If omax is a decent rebounder, the numbers would reflect it.
There’s grasping for straws and then there’s that explanation for omax’s poor rebounding numbers 😂😂
Statistician panda over here 😂
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Statistician panda over here 😂
I only pay attention to important stats like RAPM and MUNCHON.
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Could Jop’s jump be because he spent a lot of time guarding the post? And could OMax’s deficiency be because he was oftentimes on the perimeter?
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If St. John's does land Zuby Ejiofor today, then Rick Pitino has successfully turned over the entire roster minus Joel Soriano and Drissa Traore.
To me, St John's would have the 6th best roster in the conference. Ahead of Xavier, Butler, Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Depaul for me. (i just think that Xavier roster is too young in the backcourt.)
While having a better coach than the teams with the 4th and 5th best rosters, Villanova and Providence.
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Zuby Ejiofor 2 StJ
Losing to them is gonna suck. #muMbb
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Zuby Ejiofor 2 StJ
Losing to them is gonna suck. #muMbb
Pitino sucks.
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Pitino sucks.
Actually, he’s one of the greatest college hoops coaches of all-time
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Still don't think St John's will be good, but they won't be terrible either. At least some pieces to work with. At a glance, wrong side of the bubble.
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Actually, he’s one of the greatest college hoops coaches of all-time
Herd he's grate at teachin' finishin' moves, aina?
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Herd he's grate at teachin' finishin' moves, aina?
That’s a sex joke folks
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Providence fans are gonna overrated the crap out of Lance Ware, because Bryce Hopkins was a success. (even though Devin Carter might have been a better transfer than Hopkins.)
Ware is a big who shoots 45% from the line and has a 29+% Turnover rate, playing 9 minutes per game for Kentucky for 3 years.
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I would take a big. Give Oso reps at Omax's position.
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Ohio State's Seth Towns (6'8" F) just hit the portal. He previously was Ivy League player of the year in two years at Harvard.
If you think experience and senior leadership helps the team, here's your man. 2023-24 will be his eighth year in college (including 4 years of medical hardship). At the start of the season, he'll be a 26-year old senior with two years of eligibility remaining (thanks to his covid year).
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Ohio State's Seth Towns (6'8" F) just hit the portal. He previously was Ivy League player of the year in two years at Harvard.
If you think experience and senior leadership helps the team, here's your man. 2023-24 will be his eighth year in college (including 4 years of medical hardship). At the start of the season, he'll be a 26-year old senior with two years of eligibility remaining (thanks to his covid year).
I never thought I'd see someone put Otule to shame, but wow
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Ohio State's Seth Towns (6'8" F) just hit the portal. He previously was Ivy League player of the year in two years at Harvard.
If you think experience and senior leadership helps the team, here's your man. 2023-24 will be his eighth year in college (including 4 years of medical hardship). At the start of the season, he'll be a 26-year old senior with two years of eligibility remaining (thanks to his covid year).
Has not played in 2 years since he played in 25 games at tOSU in 20-21 and did not play the 2 years before that. So, he has played a partial season over 5 years.
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Zyon Pullin would be nice.
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Zyon Pullin would be nice.
Numbers are good but do we really need another guard.
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Lenny
We do not need another guard. They need a 6-7+ athletic guy that can play defense. If he can score, a bonus.
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Former North Carolina guard Caleb Love decommits from Michigan, reopens transfer recruitment
https://www.on3.com/college/michigan-wolverines/news/former-north-carolina-guard-caleb-love-decommits-from-michigan-reopens-transfer-recruitment/
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If MU needed a guard, sure.
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Former North Carolina guard Caleb Love decommits from Michigan, reopens transfer recruitment
https://www.on3.com/college/michigan-wolverines/news/former-north-carolina-guard-caleb-love-decommits-from-michigan-reopens-transfer-recruitment/
Will he be refunding his signing bonus?
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Lenny
We do not need another guard. They need a 6-7+ athletic guy that can play defense. If he can score, a bonus.
round mound of reboundS
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I would hope Shaka can find the next Faisal Abraham or David Boone!
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Trend Blackledge!
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John Fanta
@John_Fanta
Caleb Love did not have the necessary academic credits to transfer into the University of Michigan, sources tell Fox Sports. @TiptonEdits, @ebosshoops, @trillydonovan all first. @MattNorlander also reporting on academics.
Back to the portal for Love.
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Michigan requires actual classes?
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John Fanta
@John_Fanta
Caleb Love did not have the necessary academic credits to transfer into the University of Michigan, sources tell Fox Sports. @TiptonEdits, @ebosshoops, @trillydonovan all first. @MattNorlander also reporting on academics.
Back to the portal for Love.
Now we know why Madison didnt sign him.
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Herd he's grate at teachin' finishin' moves, aina?
Ahem, he knows how to finish at the hole.
I'll see myself out.
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Will he be refunding his signing bonus?
By law and NCAA regulation, NIL payments can't be contingent on a player attending a particular school.
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If MU needed a guard, sure.
Caleb Love is not a team player. He was the biggest reason UNC was a disappointment this year.
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Caleb Love is not a team player. He was the biggest reason UNC was a disappointment this year.
This is 100% true, however despite that he was the third best player on UNC last year though. He would be the 6th best player on marquette. I wouldn't want him this year, however, Love still isn't a bad player, and most years i would want him despite how crazy he would make me.
The reason UNC was a disappointment last year is because their bench was ABYSSMAL. Neither RJ Davis or Armando Bacot played better than Marquette's 3 best players. And both of them played only a tiny bit better than Kam Jones. Stevie Mitchell outplay every UNC player but those two aswell.
Leaky Black, Pete Nance, Puff Johnson, Seth Trimble, Demarco Dunn, Tyler Nickel, Jalen Washington, and however else played, were not good enough.
Most of that... was poor coaching. They couldn't run any offense without Love. And they really couldn't play defense with him.
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Not sure on details, but there are rumors that Georgetown ripped Cam Spencer away from Rutgers in a really "shady/sickening" way as some on Twitter are calling it.
College Hoops in 2023!
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Not sure on details, but there are rumors that Georgetown ripped Cam Spencer away from Rutgers in a really "shady/sickening" way as some on Twitter are calling it.
College Hoops in 2023!
i kinda doubt that... because unless Georgetown is getting 2-3 more really good recruits, they arn't overly competitive this year.
They have Cam Spencer, Jayden Epps and maybe Mutumbo is okay. Like if they play well.. thats max like the 35th best team.
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i kinda doubt that... because unless Georgetown is getting 2-3 more really good recruits, they arn't overly competitive this year.
They have Cam Spencer, Jayden Epps and maybe Mutumbo is okay. Like if they play well.. thats max like the 35th best team.
How is any of that relevant to what you quoted?
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How is any of that relevant to what you quoted?
because why would Georgetown "rip" players away for a team that most likely isn't ready to compete.
If Georgetown makes the NIT this year with that roster, it would be a success.
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Im amused by the existence of this Lance Ware recruiting battle. I have no clue why Providence and Villanova both want him.
He has been a bad player for 3 straight years.
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because why would Georgetown "rip" players away for a team that most likely isn't ready to compete.
If Georgetown makes the NIT this year with that roster, it would be a success.
Huh?
Why wouldn't Georgetown try and make their roster better at all costs whenever and however possible?
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because why would Georgetown "rip" players away for a team that most likely isn't ready to compete.
If Georgetown makes the NIT this year with that roster, it would be a success.
I think you underestimate Georgetown. Over the last two seasons, Cooley has been effective at building a team around transfers and getting them to perform. As you look at the rostrers, there's a case to be made that they're middle of the pack in the Big East, ahead of DePaul, Butler, Seton Hall and Providence. They're clearly behind MU, UConn and Creighton, and probably behind Xavier. So 5th to 7th place? Seems like the range where one more good player could make a huge difference.
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Huh?
Why wouldn't Georgetown try and make their roster better at all costs whenever and however possible?
Georgetown going after an available player they like, makes sense.
Georgetown deciding randomly to "rip Cam Spencer away from Rutgers in a really shady/sickening way" in a year where their roster isn't really good yet, makes no sense.
If the issue was a matter of NIL, my guess is Cam Spencer was having someone find a spot for him to make money.
I don't think it makes sense this year, for Georgetown to try and "steal" 1 year from a grad transfer in this way.
The rutgers story sounds like BS.
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Michigan requires actual classes?
It's fortunate that you are retired or keefe would be squealing to your HR department in retribution for throwing shade at the maize and blue.
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Who?
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I think you underestimate Georgetown. Over the last two seasons, Cooley has been effective at building a team around transfers and getting them to perform. As you look at the rostrers, there's a case to be made that they're middle of the pack in the Big East, ahead of DePaul, Butler, Seton Hall and Providence. They're clearly behind MU, UConn and Creighton, and probably behind Xavier. So 5th to 7th place? Seems like the range where one more good player could make a huge difference.
How is Georgetown's roster better than Providence's? Even if you think English is a bad coach.
Seton Hall's is close. I would give hall the edge with Richmond, Davis, Sanders and Wusu together. Their floor is higher.
As of today, even with Spencer, Georgetown's roster is roster is like the 75th best team. Its basically just Epps and Spencer. Their ceiling today is probably the 40s.
Cooley has been on a great stretch of squeaking out wins late with his guys, but his recent teams with much more talent than this one, still finished in the 40s at PC.
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https://twitter.com/trillydonovan/status/1660446916537098240
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I don’t love Shaka’s portal strategy.
I know he used the portal year one a ton because he needed bodies, and obviously Marquette kept all of their top guys from transferring this offseason, but I feel like it’s gonna catch up with him eventually.
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https://twitter.com/trillydonovan/status/1660446916537098240
yep.. That booster West Virginia loves his European recruits... and he is great at figuring it out for them
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I don’t love Shaka’s portal strategy.
I know he used the portal year one a ton because he needed bodies, and obviously Marquette kept all of their top guys from transferring this offseason, but I feel like it’s gonna catch up with him eventually.
The NIL puts a whole new spin on the portal.
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I don’t love Shaka’s portal strategy.
I know he used the portal year one a ton because he needed bodies, and obviously Marquette kept all of their top guys from transferring this offseason, but I feel like it’s gonna catch up with him eventually.
I literally have heard this exact sentence about every coach though.
I have heard it said about guys like Cooley and Musselman who use it constantly, and about guys like Painter and Smart who use more it sparingly.
There is no right or wrong answer.
The only thing about the Shaka Smart transfer "targets", (to the degree that they ever where considered targets), is he clearly values relationships with each of them.
Guys from the same city as Omax (i.e. Jahmyl Telfort and Tyrese Samuel).
Guys who played in the league before (Tyrese Samuel ).
Guys who played for teams and programs the staff was familiar with (Andrew Rohde and Aly Kahlifa).
The biggest indicator of this was the recruitment of Zach Wrightsil
Wrightsil's assistant coach at Loyola New Orleans was Javan Felix. Felix was Shaka Smarts point guard his first year at Texas.
You talk to any coach, you realize how much "intel" Shaka has on each of his recruits. It's actually ridiculous.
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I don’t love Shaka’s portal strategy.
I know he used the portal year one a ton because he needed bodies, and obviously Marquette kept all of their top guys from transferring this offseason, but I feel like it’s gonna catch up with him eventually.
There were no public whispers of Kolek or OMax transferring before it happened. I wouldn't assume that just because we don't hear much that means that Shaka isn't portalling. His team plays things very close to the chest.
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I don’t love Shaka’s portal strategy.
I know he used the portal year one a ton because he needed bodies, and obviously Marquette kept all of their top guys from transferring this offseason, but I feel like it’s gonna catch up with him eventually.
I like Shaka's loyalty to the players he has. The players in the portal are either looking for more playing time or more money. They are not going to get more playing time and I am not in favor of mercenaries.
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Im amused by the existence of this Lance Ware recruiting battle. I have no clue why Providence and Villanova both want him.
He has been a bad player for 3 straight years.
Villanova wins this battle.
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I think there definitely work being done on the portal front and it will be a guy that fits the culture and the needs for next season. As TAMU noted, Omax and Kolek were under the radar until they signed.
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I remember reading Marquette was pursuing Kolek over on Dodds' board, though I didn't know how big of a priority Kolek was.
O-Max was completely out of the blue.
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Villanova wins this battle.
did they? lol.
I am so confused why both schools really wanted him still. Providence and Villanova both decided to go all out for a senior forward with 1-2 years of eligibility left. Who has never played better than Freshman year Ben Gold Played last year.
Just because he went to Kentucky i guess. that's the only explanation.
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I remember reading Marquette was pursuing Kolek over on Dodds' board, though I didn't know how big of a priority Kolek was.
O-Max was completely out of the blue.
quick look. Marquette was kinda out of the blue for Omax, but he was wanted by many schools. Creighton, Stanford, Dayton, St. John's, Minnesota, Mizzou, etc.
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did they? lol.
I am so confused why both schools really wanted him still. Providence and Villanova both decided to go all out for a senior forward with 1-2 years of eligibility left. Who has never played better than Freshman year Ben Gold Played last year.
Just because he went to Kentucky i guess. that's the only explanation.
High ceiling guy. Just needs to put it together. Maybe more minutes will bring out the potential. Well worth the risk if you have a spot IMO
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quick look. Marquette was kinda out of the blue for Omax, but he was wanted by many schools. Creighton, Stanford, Dayton, St. John's, Minnesota, Mizzou, etc.
Correct. O-Max was a fringe top 100 recruit, went to an NBA academy, and played 10 mpg on an ACC tourney team. He was definitely a high major target in the portal. Shaka was in stealth mode though.
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Will McNair. Miss st.
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Will McNair. Miss st.
I'd enjoy him for 10 to 12 minutes behind Oso.
Would allow Gold to get time at the 4 and Amadou to get work as well.
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I'd enjoy him for 10 to 12 minutes behind Oso.
Pawz
But yeah… “go defend and rebound while Oso rests. If we have crazy injuries, you can play more.”
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Pawz
But yeah… “go defend and rebound while Oso rests. If we have crazy injuries, you can play more.”
Haha ok.
He's a Senior too so he wouldn't take up any roster spot or minutes after next season which is a plus.
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High ceiling guy. Just needs to put it together. Maybe more minutes will bring out the potential. Well worth the risk if you have a spot IMO
Is he a high ceiling guy? Like literally with his vertical. I might agree with you if a team got him for 4 years. But with Nova and Providence I just don't get it.
He can only dunk offensively, and draw fouls. But, he shoots 45% from the line and turns it over 30% of the time he gets it. You can never post him up. And he doesn't really cut.
He basically is only okay in pick and roll. That's it.
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McNair kinda does nothing for me. We won't give him the ball as much as Miss State did at least offensively. He is a good defender, but not the type we need to help starting defense, nor the type of defensive player MU has sought out so far.
He is 265 lbs, so maybe their is some type of argument you need him for 9 mpg against Clingan. But based on Gold's success in those games, going small might be the answer against him.
I have mild affinity for him because he played fine against Marquette, but that was MU's worst offensive game of year, and bigs get noticed more in defensive games.
I don't think he changes "what marquette is" from a results stand point, but he does give them an option different from the rest of the roster, even if its only for 6-10 mpg.
Landing him would just make me shrug.
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Depth. A hedge against injuries. Maybe Oso takes on the OMax role for a few minutes. Make the other bigs work in practice.
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Is he a high ceiling guy? Like literally with his vertical. I might agree with you if a team got him for 4 years. But with Nova and Providence I just don't get it.
He can only dunk offensively, and draw fouls. But, he shoots 45% from the line and turns it over 30% of the time he gets it. You can never post him up. And he doesn't really cut.
He basically is only okay in pick and roll. That's it.
Former top 50 recruit playing in a big time program. Has all the measurables for success. May not pan out but it won’t be a shock if he out performs your expectations with extended minutes.
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Former top 50 recruit playing in a big time program. Has all the measurables for success. May not pan out but it won’t be a shock if he out performs your expectations with extended minutes.
Honestly, i think the third year of being the same guy just rubs me the wrong way. Because their is no doubt he should be a better player. His stagnation just makes me a lot more dejected about the prospects of him working out.
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I think there definitely work being done on the portal front and it will be a guy that fits the culture and the needs for next season. As TAMU noted, Omax and Kolek were under the radar until they signed.
Hoping you are right Goose. Added depth with height and athleticism can only help when its time to win it all! Got to be the right guy though. They will be behind Joplin, Oso and Ben especially on offense but a glue guy defender with some bounce to rebound would be nice for 15-18 minutes a game.
Let’s see if Shaka can pull a rabbit out of his hat.
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Honestly, i think the third year of being the same guy just rubs me the wrong way. Because their is no doubt he should be a better player. His stagnation just makes me a lot more dejected about the prospects of him working out.
*there
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Former top 50 recruit playing in a big time program. Has all the measurables for success. May not pan out but it won’t be a shock if he out performs your expectations with extended minutes.
Outperforms
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Hoping you are right Goose. Added depth with height and athleticism can only help when its time to win it all! Got to be the right guy though. They will be behind Joplin, Oso and Ben especially on offense but a glue guy defender with some bounce to rebound would be nice for 15-18 minutes a game.
Let’s see if Shaka can pull a rabbit out of his hat.
ill take the rabbit, but I’d prefer beating RED, and a few NCAA tourney wins. Maybe the rabbit helps
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Not sure on details, but there are rumors that Georgetown ripped Cam Spencer away from Rutgers in a really "shady/sickening" way as some on Twitter are calling it.
Cam Spencer recruitment: he's got three visits scheduled currently and Georgetown isn't one of them.
https://twitter.com/trillydonovan/status/1661747481401790464?s=20
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Cam Spencer recruitment: he's got three visits scheduled currently and Georgetown isn't one of them.
https://twitter.com/trillydonovan/status/1661747481401790464?s=20
Lol
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Cam Spencer recruitment: he's got three visits scheduled currently and Georgetown isn't one of them.
https://twitter.com/trillydonovan/status/1661747481401790464?s=20
but social media said so!!!
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Hoping Shaka drops a bag for Tyler Burton.
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Hoping Shaka drops a bag for Tyler Burton.
Brinks truck
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Hoping Shaka drops a bag for Tyler Burton.
FWIW ... 247 listed Marquette as one of numerous potential landing spots for the Richmond star.
https://247sports.com/longformarticle/college-basketball-transfer-portal-top-potential-destinations-fo-210744115/#2173328
Marquette: Shaka Smart built a Big East champion on retention. But Olivier-Maxence Prosper showed out at the 2023 NBA Draft Combine and seems likely to stay in the draft. David Joplin is the internal option to take over the role “O-Max” would vacate, but Burton would fit in with the ethos of Marquette basketball. That offensive fit would be fantastic, and Burton brings it on the defensive end, too. He’d handle the role as the big-wing stopper that Prosper was terrific at last year.
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FWIW ... 247 listed Marquette as one of numerous potential landing spots for the Richmond star.
https://247sports.com/longformarticle/college-basketball-transfer-portal-top-potential-destinations-fo-210744115/#2173328
Marquette: Shaka Smart built a Big East champion on retention. But Olivier-Maxence Prosper showed out at the 2023 NBA Draft Combine and seems likely to stay in the draft. David Joplin is the internal option to take over the role “O-Max” would vacate, but Burton would fit in with the ethos of Marquette basketball. That offensive fit would be fantastic, and Burton brings it on the defensive end, too. He’d handle the role as the big-wing stopper that Prosper was terrific at last year.
What is his block %?
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What is his block %?
It’s decreased every year, but was still more than 3x OMax this past year. His dr% is what I like / we need.
Of 40% min guys in HM bball last year, 157 guys were listed 6’8” or taller. OMax ranked #154 in blk%
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It’s decreased every year, but was still more than 3x OMax this past year. His dr% is what I like / we need.
Of 40% min guys in HM bball last year, 157 guys were listed 6’8” or taller. OMax ranked #154 in blk%
Definitely need rebounding. Sign me up for the spider.
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Drop. That. Bag.
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Of 40% min guys in HM bball last year, 157 guys were listed 6’8” or taller. OMax ranked #154 in blk%
This will relegate OMax to the Madagascar league, probably.
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I just cannot picture Marquette adding a starting caliber player.
Adrame Diongue would be a guy I'd love to see this team pursue. 7 footer out of Washington State with ties to Chandler AZ, which has been a bit of a Marquette pipeline.
Could use some length and size to back up Oso and would allow Ben to play more at the 4.
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Is there a site that lists players who have entered, but withdrawn from, the draft?
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Is there a site that lists players who have entered, but withdrawn from, the draft?
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/03/2023-nba-draft-early-entrants-list.html
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https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/03/2023-nba-draft-early-entrants-list.html
The little bit I've heard about this Wembanyama kid, it seems like it would be worth it for Shaka to gauge his interest on playing a year or two at Marquette.
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Golden
With all due respect, you probably did not envision Omax getting drafting this season. Just curious, will you be disappointed if Shaka lands a 20mpg guy?
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Will be pleasantly surprised if we add anyone
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Golden
With all due respect, you probably did not envision Omax getting drafting this season. Just curious, will you be disappointed if Shaka lands a 20mpg guy?
I thought OMax was an NBA caliber player that would be on the fence with his decision, but this last 2 weeks or so he really separated himself.
I wouldn't be disappointed if they added a 20mpg guy, just would be surprised.
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I thought OMax was an NBA caliber player that would be on the fence with his decision, but this last 2 weeks or so he really separated himself.
I wouldn't be disappointed if they added a 20mpg guy, just would be surprised.
I think Goose is asking “two years ago when Shaka added Omax, did you envision him getting drafted two years later?”
I did not, and that’s why I trust Shaka
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I think Goose is asking “two years ago when Shaka added Omax, did you envision him getting drafted two years later?”
I did not, and that’s why I trust Shaka
There was some skepticism by scoopers regarding Shaka when he was hired. Much of it disappeared after his first season and after last season, only certifiable whackos/trolls like nolonger post anything challenging his coaching acumen. So like you....I trust Shaka.
Whether he goes only with his current guys or brings someone in from the portal, let's take a deep breath, knowing his decision is the best (and, of course, the only one ;D ).
Long term, Marquette /Shaka will benefit greatly if an under our radar guy gets drafted, possibly in the first round.
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There was some skepticism by scoopers regarding Shaka when he was hired. Much of it disappeared after his first season and after last season, only certifiable whackos/trolls like nolonger post anything challenging his coaching acumen. So like you....I trust Shaka.
Whether he goes only with his current guys or brings someone in from the portal, let's take a deep breath, knowing his decision is the best (and, of course, the only one ;D ).
Long term, Marquette /Shaka will benefit greatly if an under our radar guy gets drafted, possibly in the first round.
I’d suggest people look at what John Beilein did with players such as this at Michigan. Granted, it’s part of what drove him from the college game but he managed to win a lot and find players no one suspected were leaving after year 2 or 3
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Georgetown, who originally thought they were favorites for land Cam Spencer, has lost traction due to some other bigtime suitors.
They don't call it portal combat for nothin'.
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Tyler Burton to NOVA. Exceptional portal work by NOVA.
Portal running dry if Shaka wants to add a player.
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Tyler Burton to NOVA. Exceptional portal work by NOVA.
Portal running dry if Shaka wants to add a player.
NBA Draft defectors
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Tyler Burton to NOVA. Exceptional portal work by NOVA.
Portal running dry if Shaka wants to add a player.
They're like UK but for guys that can't make it in the NBA!
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Cam Spencer to UCONN, another good player to a BE team.
Is MU the only BE team not to have a portal player transfer in?
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Cam Spencer to UCONN, another good player to a BE team.
Is MU the only BE team not to have a portal player transfer in?
NIL only for new recruits.
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NIL only for new recruits.
That's where the NCAA screwed up. They should've put NIL rules in that required a year in residence before you could sign NIL deals. So new transfers & freshmen wouldn't be eligible in year one. People would've been so happy with the progressiveness of that move in the pre-NIL days that it would've went through. Maybe there would've been a lawsuit eventually, but it would've given them a decade or three of NIL not being a recruiting tool.
But the NCAA and members were too greedy to give up a single penny before they had to, so they ended up with the convoluted, unregulated mess we have now.
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The year in residence would have been just as unenforceable. It would have resulted in under-the-table deals, misunderstandings, etc.
But you are right about how the NCAA handled this. The players have been underpaid. The marketplace has been telling us this for decades, from under the table payments to the semi-legal payments now.
Instead of fighting economics, they should just give in to them. Allow boosters to buy players directly. Use them as recruiting inducements. Its been happening for decades. It's happening now under phony NIL deals. It's just better for everyone to have it all above board.
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Article in the Raleigh/Charlotte newspapers about Duke striking out in attempts to lure a center from the portal:
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article276157341.html?ac_cid=DM808736&ac_bid=-1165060433
The article is probably under a paywall, but basically it says Jon Scheyer tried to bring in 4 centers but all 4 opted to go elsewhere.
That leaves Duke with "only" three 7-footers on their roster. Poor, poor Dookies.
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Froling, Butrym, and Mills were all around 7 feet.
Size no matta...its how da center moves, aina?
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Article in the Raleigh/Charlotte newspapers about Duke striking out in attempts to lure a center from the portal:
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article276157341.html?ac_cid=DM808736&ac_bid=-1165060433
The article is probably under a paywall, but basically it says Jon Scheyer tried to bring in 4 centers but all 4 opted to go elsewhere.
That leaves Duke with "only" three 7-footers on their roster. Poor, poor Dookies.
It’ll get tougher for Scheyer to recruit as the Coach K aura wears off in the next couple of years.
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It’ll get tougher for Scheyer to recruit as the Coach K aura wears off in the next couple of years.
Hasn’t stopped him yet
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Paul Mulcahy entering the portal this late, but most blue bloods still have a spot open. His NIL leverage is massive.
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The Portal Report
@ThePortalReport
Louisiana (D1) (Grad) transfer Jordan Brown has entered the transfer portal, per source.
Brown is a 6'11 forward who averaged 19.3 points and 8.6 rebounds per game last season, earning Sun Belt First Team honors.
Brown played for Nevada and Arizona prior to his time with Louisiana. He earned Pac 12 Sixth Man of the Year honors with Arizona in 2020-21.
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Arthur Kaluma to K-State. Gotta say I didn’t see that one coming.
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Arthur Kaluma to K-State. Gotta say I didn’t see that one coming.
Wonder what the story behind his desire to transfer is? It’s a lateral move at best. McDermott and him must not gel together.
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Wonder what the story behind his desire to transfer is? It’s a lateral move at best. McDermott and him must not gel together.
They story is, he thought he was a pro, and he was the 5th best player on Creighton. That's the story.
Its a backwards move, even though i like Tang. Kaluma left so he can feature more. He still would have only been Creighton's 4th best player this year.
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They story is, he thought he was a pro, and he was the 5th best player on Creighton. That's the story.
Its a backwards move, even though i like Tang. Kaluma left so he can feature more. He still would have only been Creighton's 4th best player this year.
Thanks for the reply. Just seems weird. Winning takes care of the individual goals. He could have won at Creighton. Seems crazy to me unless he got an incredible NIL deal.
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I get why people think its more than that with the McDermott stuff a while ago, but honestly that's over for them. Everyone who stayed, including most the recruits, sided with McDermott. The Players and school choose McDermott over the assistants, TyTy Washington, and Christian Bishop. I think Kaluma was his first recruit after that even happened.
Creighton is more mad at now McDermott for considering the Notre Dame job for 10 days.
This summer, Kaluma wanted to go to Arizona, but i think they too Johnson from San Diego St over him, because he was less likely to get drafted at the time and probably an equal to better college player.
Winning takes care of the individual goals.
It does and it doesn't. You still need the personal requisite offensive stats to play in the NBA. Kaluma really doesn't have it. He had an personal offensive rating of 100.9, while his team was at 115 this year. He still had a 19.3 turnover rate in quality games this year. He still shot 73.6 % from the FT line and 31.1% from 3 at Creighton.
For example, Joplin as a late shot clock guy, in a year where he couldn't make layups, had a personal offensive rating of 104.6
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Its a backwards move, even though i like Tang.
Can’t blame a guy for liking Tang, aina
Speaking of.. need to look at their roster. Wasn’t everyone crazy old last year?
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Kstate, lost Johnson.
They have the North Texas guard Perry and Ames as their points. Kaluma, and tomlin are the forwards. I couldn't name another player on that roster.
They seem to be middle of the road in that conference.
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Kstate, lost Johnson.
They have the North Texas guard Perry and Ames as their points. Kaluma, and tomlin are the forwards. I couldn't name another player on that roster.
They seem to be middle of the road in that conference.
Middle of the road in the Big 12 is still a likely NCAA team with a chance to make some noise.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/37842555/ex-north-carolina-signee-simeon-wilcher-commits-st-johns
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Pitino got himself a squad already, wow. It'll be fun to beat him this season. 😁
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Pitino got himself a squad already, wow. It'll be fun to beat him this season. 😁
I noticed a billboard on I95 in New Rochelle "Welcoming legendary coach Rick Pitino to St. John's" over the weekend.
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Saw da same thang on da Titanic, hey?
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Pitino got himself a squad already, wow. It'll be fun to beat him this season. 😁
Yes, this team returns Soriano, adds Wilcher, Taylor, Alleyne, Jenkins, and several other nice pieces.
I'm not even going to mention the kid from Penn, because I'm sure everyone is as tired as I am of hearing about Pitino's Dingle.
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I don't particularly enjoy having 2 roster spots open.
7 backcourt players and 4 front court.
The 4 front court guys we have are all going to be great but you're really banking on full health going into a season with only 4 available front court players.
I'm starting to wish more and more than Wrightsil came back for 1 more year just as a safety net, but understand why he wouldn't want to play that role.
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Golden
Who knows, maybe Shaka still fills a spot or two for next season.
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Golden
Who knows, maybe Shaka still fills a spot or two for next season.
I hope so. Just a body that can play the 4 or 5 would make me feel much better.
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I hope so. Just a body that can play the 4 or 5 would make me feel much better.
I can not believe he can not find one body who wants to go to Italy and Hawaii this year!
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I can not believe he can not find one body who wants to go to Italy and Hawaii this year!
Good point!
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Yes, this team returns Soriano, adds Wilcher, Taylor, Alleyne, Jenkins, and several other nice pieces.
I'm not even going to mention the kid from Penn, because I'm sure everyone is as tired as I am of hearing about Pitino's Dingle.
Pitino is in the habit of pulling his dingle out as the need calls for. Heard there is a plaque mounted at Porcini's that says "The legendary coach slick Rick dangled his dingle here".
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Pitino is in the habit of pulling his dingle out as the need calls for. Heard there is a plaque mounted at Porcini's that says "The legendary coach slick Rick dangled his dingle here".
Always count on willie for a “good” Porcinis joke!
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It’s Porcini, not Porcini’s. Put some respeck (or j1zz) on it.
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I don't particularly enjoy having 2 roster spots open.
7 backcourt players and 4 front court.
The 4 front court guys we have are all going to be great but you're really banking on full health going into a season with only 4 available front court players.
I'm starting to wish more and more than Wrightsil came back for 1 more year just as a safety net, but understand why he wouldn't want to play that role.
Me neither but Shaka is stubborn with his portal usage/strategy so itll probably be pretty similar to this every year.
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Always count on willie for a “good” Porcinis joke! mention of penises
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Shaka has a plan, he always does. He had Morsell locked in and he announced late after the draft if I recall.
Things also rarely leak with Shaka.
Shabbat shalom
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Pitino is in the habit of pulling his dingle out as the need calls for. Heard there is a plaque mounted at Porcini's that says "The legendary coach slick Rick dangled his dingle here".
Too bad it wasn’t Mazos Burgers
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Shaka has a plan, he always does. He had Morsell locked in and he announced late after the draft if I recall.
Things also rarely leak with Shaka.
Shabbat shalom
The difference there is the connection with Morsell was known well in advance of his actual commitment so it didn’t come out of nowhere.
Obviously Shaka has kept transfers very quiet preciously so an addition would not be shocking but it definitely seems like he’s rolling with the current roster.
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Me neither but Shaka is stubborn with his portal usage/strategy so itll probably be pretty similar to this every year.
To me, stubborn is a strange way to describe Shaka's portal strategy. It seems to imply that he is, in your opinion, wrong. After last season's surprising success and with his COY status, I'm comfortable with his short and long term strategies regarding the roster.
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To me, stubborn is a strange way to describe Shaka's portal strategy. It seems to imply that he is, in your opinion, wrong. After last season's surprising success and with his COY status, I'm comfortable with his short and long term strategies regarding the roster.
MU's success over the past two seasons has been powered by a number of high-impact transfers (Morsell, Kur, Kolek, OMax).
As has UConn (Cole, Martin, Newton, Calcaterra, Alleyne, Diarra)
As has Xavier (Boum, Nunge,Johnson, Kunkel, Hunter)
As has Creighton (Hawkins, O'Connell, Schierman, Farabello)
As has Providence (Durham, Horchler, Minaya, Hopkins, Croswell, Carter, Locke, Bynum, Moore)
This year, Villanova, St. Johns, Butler, and Georgetown have dipped heavily into the transfer market.
Maybe avoiding impact transfers is the right approach--but one has to admit it's a different strategy than what got MU to the top of the Big East, and it's also one that few other teams in the BE seem to be pursuing right now.
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MU's success over the past two seasons has been powered by a number of high-impact transfers (Morsell, Kur, Kolek, OMax).
As has UConn (Cole, Martin, Newton, Calcaterra, Alleyne, Diarra)
As has Xavier (Boum, Nunge,Johnson, Kunkel, Hunter)
As has Creighton (Hawkins, O'Connell, Schierman, Farabello)
As has Providence (Durham, Horchler, Minaya, Hopkins, Croswell, Carter, Locke, Bynum, Moore)
This year, Villanova, St. Johns, Butler, and Georgetown have dipped heavily into the transfer market.
Maybe avoiding impact transfers is the right approach--but one has to admit it's a different strategy than what got MU to the top of the Big East, and it's also one that few other teams in the BE seem to be pursuing right now.
Fair, but the "here and now" is that Shaka has decided to take a different strategy this coming season than the rest of the BE coaches-going ahead with the players he has. In his first season, he really did not (realistically) have a lot of choice.
My point was- and still is- that calling this "stubborn" implies that he is making a mistake. Possible? Sure! But considering what he has done with Marquette so far? No! It simply does not strike me as stubbornness. Instead, I see a coach who is "all in" on the synergy created by challenging his returning players to collectively improve the team. To be clear, in no way am I brushing off the loss of Omax. Shaka is gambling by passing on the portal. We will find out this coming season if he was right. I'm betting that he is.
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He duzant wanna take a chance on disruptin' team chemistry. It ain't worth it, aina?
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Maybe Al Amadeau will give MU fans more then we expected?
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He duzant wanna take a chance on disruptin' team chemistry. It ain't worth it, aina?
Yep.
Maybe Al Amadeau will give MU fans more then we expected?
Yep again. I think the possibility of Al or another freshman making the HS to college transition quickly and being a very nice surprise has not been discussed much here. "Possible" is the operative word but we have three frosh coming in, so the odds increase a bit that at least one will prove to be "more than expected" his first season.
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Maybe Al Amadeau will give MU fans more then we expected?
Per scoop law, no freshman can be expected to contribute.
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They contribute. If you build your hopes around them being day 1 starters or the equivalent, you are dumb.
I think Amadou will get minutes similar to what Ben got last season.
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MU's success over the past two seasons has been powered by a number of high-impact transfers (Morsell, Kur, Kolek, OMax).
As has UConn (Cole, Martin, Newton, Calcaterra, Alleyne, Diarra)
As has Xavier (Boum, Nunge,Johnson, Kunkel, Hunter)
As has Creighton (Hawkins, O'Connell, Schierman, Farabello)
As has Providence (Durham, Horchler, Minaya, Hopkins, Croswell, Carter, Locke, Bynum, Moore)
This year, Villanova, St. Johns, Butler, and Georgetown have dipped heavily into the transfer market.
Maybe avoiding impact transfers is the right approach--but one has to admit it's a different strategy than what got MU to the top of the Big East, and it's also one that few other teams in the BE seem to be pursuing right now.
“Avoiding impact transfers”.
That’s seriously how you’d describe it based on the players that are returning?
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They contribute. If you build your hopes around them being day 1 starters or the equivalent, you are dumb.
I think Amadou will get minutes similar to what Ben got last season.
It all depends on how much strength he puts on. The last I remember seeing he weighed less than 200lbs.
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7.9 mpg is the bar.
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Maybe Al Amadeau will give MU fans more then we expected?
I think Big Al will absolutely provide meaningful impact right away. If you could tell me that Al, Joplin, Ben, Oso will all stay fully healthy all year I'd not even bother mentioning the front court.
Health is never perfect on a team though and having extra bodies up front is highly important.
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Anyone from West Virginia that would be useful?
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Shaka pretty much said he does not want to get into a bidding war when it comes to transfers. As long as his recruits pan out we will be fine, but if more than two of his starters or off the bench players decide to go pro or transfer he just might have to look at transfers just to be competitive.
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Anyone from West Virginia that would be useful?
Sure, but they are still gonna make the most NIL money at WVU
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Shaka pretty much said he does not want to get into a bidding war when it comes to transfers. As long as his recruits pan out we will be fine, but if more than two of his starters or off the bench players decide to go pro or transfer he just might have to look at transfers just to be competitive.
The 2024 season will be an interesting test.
At the end of 2023, MU was odds on favorite to repeat as league champ. Since then, its become a four-team jam at the top, with UConn, Villanova, and Creighton all making moves to improve. T-Rank has all three ahead of us, and most of the various "too early" polls have moved us down in their rankings. Its not unfair to ask whether we squandered a rare opportunity to dominate.
Compare MU's situation to a contending baseball team ahead of the trade deadline. They almost always bring someone on board to strengthen the roster for the stretch run.
MU this year is in a position to make a championship run, and has chosen to leave two scholarships unused. If we fall short, the wisdom of those two unused scholarships will be questioned for years to come.
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The 2024 season will be an interesting test.
At the end of 2023, MU was odds on favorite to repeat as league champ. Since then, its become a four-team jam at the top, with UConn, Villanova, and Creighton all making moves to improve. T-Rank has all three ahead of us, and most of the various "too early" polls have moved us down in their rankings. Its not unfair to ask whether we squandered a rare opportunity to dominate.
Compare MU's situation to a contending baseball team ahead of the trade deadline. They almost always bring someone on board to strengthen the roster for the stretch run.
MU this year is in a position to make a championship run, and has chosen to leave two scholarships unused. If we fall short, the wisdom of those two unused scholarships will be questioned for years to come.
Thank you, we now have our 2023-2024 Scoop tagline “Domination Squandered”
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The 2024 season will be an interesting test.
At the end of 2023, MU was odds on favorite to repeat as league champ. Since then, its become a four-team jam at the top, with UConn, Villanova, and Creighton all making moves to improve. T-Rank has all three ahead of us, and most of the various "too early" polls have moved us down in their rankings. Its not unfair to ask whether we squandered a rare opportunity to dominate.
Compare MU's situation to a contending baseball team ahead of the trade deadline. They almost always bring someone on board to strengthen the roster for the stretch run.
MU this year is in a position to make a championship run, and has chosen to leave two scholarships unused. If we fall short, the wisdom of those two unused scholarships will be questioned for years to come.
"We" means Shaka.
Looking solely at Marquette's chances this season, your last sentence makes perfect sense. I do not think that's the way Shaka views it. My guess is that he sees his roster strategy-relying primarily on HS recruits (stated in his recent interview) and developing current players- as the best path towards an eventual natty. He needed the portal for his first season as Marquette's coach but has chosen to pass on transfers for the upcoming season. I am comfortable with the wisdom of Shaka's long-term approach, even though it may keep us from a run in the tourney this season. Am I happy about that? Hell no! But I get it.
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The 2024 season will be an interesting test.
At the end of 2023, MU was odds on favorite to repeat as league champ. Since then, its become a four-team jam at the top, with UConn, Villanova, and Creighton all making moves to improve. T-Rank has all three ahead of us, and most of the various "too early" polls have moved us down in their rankings. Its not unfair to ask whether we squandered a rare opportunity to dominate.
Compare MU's situation to a contending baseball team ahead of the trade deadline. They almost always bring someone on board to strengthen the roster for the stretch run.
MU this year is in a position to make a championship run, and has chosen to leave two scholarships unused. If we fall short, the wisdom of those two unused scholarships will be questioned for years to come.
At the end of the season UCONN just won the national title and finished at the top of KenPom and the only players they were certain to lose were Hawkins and Calcaterra. They were bringing in the #4 recruiting class in the country. Creighton had just gone to the Elite Eight and finished two spots behind MU in KenPom and every meaningful player on their roster was eligible to return.
MU would've been one of three favorites to win the League title if everyone that was, at the time, considered a borderline NBA pick had returned and no transfers out or in.
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At the end of the season UCONN just won the national title and finished at the top of KenPom and the only players they were certain to lose were Hawkins and Calcaterra. They were bringing in the #4 recruiting class in the country. Creighton had just gone to the Elite Eight and finished two spots behind MU in KenPom and every meaningful player on their roster was eligible to return.
MU would've been one of three favorites to win the League title if everyone that was, at the time, considered a borderline NBA pick had returned and no transfers out or in.
Sounds like the perfect time to bring back the COLE. 👀
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The 2024 season will be an interesting test.
At the end of 2023, MU was odds on favorite to repeat as league champ. Since then, its become a four-team jam at the top, with UConn, Villanova, and Creighton all making moves to improve. T-Rank has all three ahead of us, and most of the various "too early" polls have moved us down in their rankings. Its not unfair to ask whether we squandered a rare opportunity to dominate.
Compare MU's situation to a contending baseball team ahead of the trade deadline. They almost always bring someone on board to strengthen the roster for the stretch run.
MU this year is in a position to make a championship run, and has chosen to leave two scholarships unused. If we fall short, the wisdom of those two unused scholarships will be questioned for years to come.
At the end of 2023, UConn still had a national championship winning roster. If you had Marquette as next years big east "favorites" still. That is likely a you problem. The opportunity to "dominate" did not exist outside of your own head.
Also the 12 and 13th man on a college basketball roster are not closers in baseball.
Closers in baseball actually play in the games.
If you want to be mad at the lack of injury cover that is fair. But the opportunity to elevate the team beyond the current roster really did not exist, or was at best marginal.
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One can argue that Shaka could have used the transfer portal to add a frontline backup in case of injury or to help with foul trouble. That's a fair perspective. But Shaka has made it perfectly clear that team chemistry and continued development of players who have shown loyalty to him are his top priorities. I have no problem at all with that. He is looking for specific types of players - both in terms of skillset and personality. It is safer to mold a hs recruit into what you need. No, Shaka's approach may not make MU a consistent "dominant" team, but he will always deliver a very competitive team. I'm ok with that too. And, I don't think any team is going to dominate the BE this year. Too many good teams.
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One thing is clear- Shaka plays by one set of rules, Shakas.
For example, when TyKo, Kam, and Oso leave after this season, and after dominating the BE yet again and making a great run in the NCAAT to the final 4, Shaka has the guys in their place.
Trust the guy until you can’t, that’s the motto. Or just trust him until he wins, and then trust him forever
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One thing is clear- Shaka plays by one set of rules, Shakas.
For example, when TyKo, Kam, and Oso leave after this season, and after dominating the BE yet again and making a great run in the NCAAT to the final 4, Shaka has the guys in their place.
Trust the guy until you can’t, that’s the motto. Or just trust him until he wins, and then trust him forever
Yep. I get that many here are worried that Shaka did not take advantage of the portal and, this coming season, their fears may be justified. This is an opinion board after all. I think Shaka follows the beat of a different drummer and so far, he has exceeded my expectations Big Time. He has a laser -like focus. I'm happy watching his long-term plan unfold.
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Yeah, it's pretty tough for me to look at what Shaka has done so far at Marquette and say, "Yeah, but now he's wrong."
Like many here, I do wish he'd have been able to find a Jayce Johnson type who would have been content to play 5 minutes one game, 20 the next and 14 the next while demanding little NIL money. But I'm also realistic enough to know that few players would be willing to accept such a role.
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I do not think Shaka wants anyone who will mess with team chemistry.
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So how does Shaka know if someone will fit in if they don't join and team? Does he just wait till all the players now on the team
graduate and then recruit a whole new group of guys?
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So how does Shaka know if someone will fit in if they don't join and team? Does he just wait till all the players now on the team
graduate and then recruit a whole new group of guys?
Seriously?
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So how does Shaka know if someone will fit in if they don't join and team? Does he just wait till all the players now on the team
graduate and then recruit a whole new group of guys?
I'm guessing this is a joke, right?
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We all talk about this as if it was a one way street.
People are debating this on the assumption that Shaka did not want to add any impact transfers. That assumption is fairly based on reading between the lines of Shaka’s words in past interviews. But it is still an assumption. Do we know it to be 100% true?
Shaka has played his cards close to his vest so far. Isn’t it possible that Shaka looked but couldn’t find an “impact transfer” that wanted to come to Marquette for any of a variety of reasons (e.g. NIL, lack of promised playing time, not being “the man”).
Despite the fantasies of the neighbors to the west, this is not a Badger black and white world we live in, where recruits either are committed to UW or UW cooled on them. There are a lot of different possibilities that exist.
Given Shaka’s past track record with transfers, I find it much more likely that he did explore the transfer market for an impact player but was fortunate enough to be highly selective, and of those that met the criteria needed, perhaps interest in transferring to MU was simply not there (again for a variety of reasons).
I highly doubt Shaka didn’t look at and explore all options. He’s not gotten this far with this much success without being ready for every contingency. To say simply that he didn’t want to add a transfer because we don’t have one added seems, to me, awfully simplistic.
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We all talk about this as if it was a one way street.
People are debating this on the assumption that Shaka did not want to add any impact transfers. That assumption is fairly based on reading between the lines of Shaka’s words in past interviews. But it is still an assumption. Do we know it to be 100% true?
Shaka has played his cards close to his vest so far. Isn’t it possible that Shaka looked but couldn’t find an “impact transfer” that wanted to come to Marquette for any of a variety of reasons (e.g. NIL, lack of promised playing time, not being “the man”).
Despite the fantasies of the neighbors to the west, this is not a Badger black and white world we live in, where recruits either are committed to UW or UW cooled on them. There are a lot of different possibilities that exist.
Given Shaka’s past track record with transfers, I find it much more likely that he did explore the transfer market for an impact player but was fortunate enough to be highly selective, and of those that met the criteria needed, perhaps interest in transferring to MU was simply not there (again for a variety of reasons).
I highly doubt Shaka didn’t look at and explore all options. He’s not gotten this far with this much success without being ready for every contingency. To say simply that he didn’t want to add a transfer because we don’t have one added seems, to me, awfully simplistic.
I agree with this.
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We all talk about this as if it was a one way street.
People are debating this on the assumption that Shaka did not want to add any impact transfers. That assumption is fairly based on reading between the lines of Shaka’s words in past interviews. But it is still an assumption. Do we know it to be 100% true?
Shaka has played his cards close to his vest so far. Isn’t it possible that Shaka looked but couldn’t find an “impact transfer” that wanted to come to Marquette for any of a variety of reasons (e.g. NIL, lack of promised playing time, not being “the man”).
Despite the fantasies of the neighbors to the west, this is not a Badger black and white world we live in, where recruits either are committed to UW or UW cooled on them. There are a lot of different possibilities that exist.
Given Shaka’s past track record with transfers, I find it much more likely that he did explore the transfer market for an impact player but was fortunate enough to be highly selective, and of those that met the criteria needed, perhaps interest in transferring to MU was simply not there (again for a variety of reasons).
I highly doubt Shaka didn’t look at and explore all options. He’s not gotten this far with this much success without being ready for every contingency. To say simply that he didn’t want to add a transfer because we don’t have one added seems, to me, awfully simplistic.
Undoubtedly true.
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We all talk about this as if it was a one way street.
People are debating this on the assumption that Shaka did not want to add any impact transfers. That assumption is fairly based on reading between the lines of Shaka’s words in past interviews. But it is still an assumption. Do we know it to be 100% true?
Shaka has played his cards close to his vest so far. Isn’t it possible that Shaka looked but couldn’t find an “impact transfer” that wanted to come to Marquette for any of a variety of reasons (e.g. NIL, lack of promised playing time, not being “the man”).
Despite the fantasies of the neighbors to the west, this is not a Badger black and white world we live in, where recruits either are committed to UW or UW cooled on them. There are a lot of different possibilities that exist.
Given Shaka’s past track record with transfers, I find it much more likely that he did explore the transfer market for an impact player but was fortunate enough to be highly selective, and of those that met the criteria needed, perhaps interest in transferring to MU was simply not there (again for a variety of reasons).
I highly doubt Shaka didn’t look at and explore all options. He’s not gotten this far with this much success without being ready for every contingency. To say simply that he didn’t want to add a transfer because we don’t have one added seems, to me, awfully simplistic.
A message board? Simplistic?
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Tre Mitchel 6'9 240lb F from WVU into the portal... supposedly UK bound.
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We had 4ish targets in March/April. They went elsewhere. Makes sense because we have virtually zero minutes for them.
End of story.
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I might be the only guy that still believes there will be an addition to the team. That being said, Shaka is running out of time.
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I might be the only guy that still believes there will be an addition to the team. That being said, Shaka is running out of time.
If there is. It is one of two players.
One a center who might be more of a 2024 post grad recruit. The other is a foreign born player.
I don’t think either really help this years team team besides injury cover.
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So how does Shaka know if someone will fit in if they don't join and team? Does he just wait till all the players now on the team
graduate and then recruit a whole new group of guys?
Generally, the really good players in the portal are looking for NIL money. Taking money away from current players to fund a new player is not going to be good for team chemistry..
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Tre Mitchel 6'9 240lb F from WVU into the portal... supposedly UK bound.
Kerr Kriisa also in the portal, and I wouldn't doubt if most of the team now follows.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/37916105/alabama-guard-jahvon-quinerly-enter-transfer-portal
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Tre Mitchell to Kentucky.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/37916105/alabama-guard-jahvon-quinerly-enter-transfer-portal
Oates shot him out of town.
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https://twitter.com/caleb_kozinski/status/1674802655762235392?s=61&t=LZ3u22MK192xK4-EVE6VWA
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https://twitter.com/caleb_kozinski/status/1674802655762235392?s=61&t=LZ3u22MK192xK4-EVE6VWA
F*ck! Next man up. Somebody is going to have to step in and fill those minutes.
Seriously, though...good luck to Caleb. I hope he finds a good situation and some sweet, sweet NIL money.
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F*ck! Next man up. Somebody is going to have to step in and fill those minutes.
Seriously, though...good luck to Caleb. I hope he finds a good situation and some sweet, sweet NIL money.
Best wishes as well. As far as those NIL $$$ go, well, good luck….
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https://twitter.com/caleb_kozinski/status/1674802655762235392?s=61&t=LZ3u22MK192xK4-EVE6VWA
I guess he didn't want to go to Italy
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https://twitter.com/caleb_kozinski/status/1674802655762235392?s=61&t=LZ3u22MK192xK4-EVE6VWA
Domination Squandered...
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https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1676611631265075200?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1676611631265075200?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Based on his history, his next coach is already on the hot seat.
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After the Will McNair pickup, I was holding out hope English didn't know what he was doing bringing in a bad backup big and a bunch of his own George Mason guys.
But Breed transferring out is smart. More minutes for Pierre, Dual, Carter as the lead guard.
https://twitter.com/247HSHoops/status/1676636963342786560?s=20
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But Breed transferring out is smart. More minutes for Pierre, Dual, Carter as the lead guard.
Also one less guy on the team accused of pointing a gun at his girlfriend. Oftentimes a plus
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Also one less guy on the team accused of pointing a gun at his girlfriend. Oftentimes a plus
Unless you're in Tuscaloosa.
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In Tuscaloosa, you just don't point...you pull the trigger.
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The whole Jose Perez thing is a joke …
5 schools? 6 years ? LOLLLLL ….
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The whole Jose Perez thing is a joke …
5 schools? 6 years ? LOLLLLL ….
Eh, the last three coaches who recruited him have been fired. The last two well outside of the normal cycle. Not saying I feel bad for the guy, but its all understandable.
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Eh, the last three coaches who recruited him have been fired. The last two well outside of the normal cycle. Not saying I feel bad for the guy, but its all understandable.
His potential next coach should have reason to tread carefully here!! ;)
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My favorite Jose Perez MU moment - he finally plays a little at end of the season and then does not travel to BE tourney (at a time they actually needed him)
Before any says that did not happen, here is a 247 account of it:
He only played 10 games at Marquette, popping up briefly in the first two games of the 2020-21 season and then not playing in the next 16. He played in the last eight games of the regular season but didn't accompany the team to the Big East tournament. The team cited personal reasons.
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COVID.
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Yeah, he had a pretty bad case of Covid, and was completely out of shape when he returned.
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Yeah, he had a pretty bad case of Covid, and was completely out of shape when he returned.
COVID was the reason he missed 16 games, then played 8 games before not making the trip to NYC (ironically, where he is from)...
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He was going to sit out a year. Then a whole bunch of injuries happened. Then he became first big off the bench. Then he got COVID.
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I have no idea. He had Covid causing him to be out of shape when he returned. His mom had cancer. Maybe he just didn't want to play. No biggie for me really.
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He was going to sit out a year. Then a whole bunch of injuries happened. Then he became first big off the bench. Then he got COVID.
So when someone "leaves the team for personal reasons" it is cause he caught COVID? hmm...
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In this case. Going back and looking at the discussion, it appears he was planning to sit. When the extra COVID year was granted, he applied for a waiver around November 20. He did not play much initially. The consensus was he wasn't ready/out of shape. He started playing when the injuries mounted. Then he abruptly stopped. Rumor was COVID.
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He did not play much initially. The consensus was he wasn't ready/out of shape.
Definitely was out of shape, though one Scooper insisted it only looked that way because he was wearing body armor.
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Definitely was out of shape, though one Scooper insisted it only looked that way because he was wearing body armor.
Which was proven true. One Scooper called him fat. Which he never was. Being fat and being out of shape aren't always the same thing (especially in the context of talking division one athletics).
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Recall reading he had Covid pre-season
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Let’s cut the kid some slack - he had to endure the final season of the Wojo era, so he’s already suffered enough. 👀
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Let’s cut the kid some slack - he had to endure the final season of the Wojo era, so he’s already suffered enough. 👀
Kid? Ponce de Leon just blinked in his grave.
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https://twitter.com/on3sports/status/1679483565875027969?s=46&t=W_GROLZ4AKSjmPa7zauSAg
One good transfer is back in the portal. Barnes over recruiting with the ridiculous NIL money that school has.
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https://twitter.com/on3sports/status/1679483565875027969?s=46&t=W_GROLZ4AKSjmPa7zauSAg
One good transfer is back in the portal. Barnes over recruiting with the ridiculous NIL money that school has.
Would take him in a heartbeat.
Too bad for Madison that he wouldn't be able to get into their school.
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Looks like he visited Indiana and St. John’s prior to choosing Tennessee and is a native of Brooklyn. I don’t think St. John’s has any openings, so wonder if he’d be up for joining another Big East school that will play in NYC a few times.
I’m not certain, but I think he’s a grad transfer so his late entry into the portal wouldn’t mean he has to sit. Or if him entering earlier before choosing Tennessee qualifies.
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https://theprovidencecrier.com/2023/09/05/will-mcnair-jr-re-enters-transfer-portal/
Dude got his free trip to Spain and bounced. Don't want him because he's an aircraft carrier, but it hurts PC's frontcourt depth.