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Uncle Rico

Quote from: tower912 on April 27, 2023, 09:18:27 PM
Bump.    ILB not a need.

Same old Lions.

Campbell is going to wreck dudes with the Lions.  He's good and versatile
Guster is for Lovers

jesmu84

So the bears turned #1 pick into #10 (needed OT), 1/2/2/4/5 and DJ Moore

Seems pretty good

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: jesmu84 on April 27, 2023, 09:38:48 PM
So the bears turned #1 pick into #10 (needed OT), 1/2/2/4/5 and DJ Moore

Seems pretty good

Gotta hit those early picks and Fields has to be the guy (and I think he is) so I'm happy. We'll see how it turns out.

Dish

Bijan Robinson Offensive Rookie of the Year +400 on DK.

Opened at +450 a few minutes ago. It'll be under +250 very quickly, grab it now.

CreightonWarrior

I thought Levis was going #1?

tower912

#305
The morning after......
Gibbs is seen as a hedge against  Swift continuing to be injured and only occasionally productive.  And he may be used a little in the slot. 

Campbell is seen as a cross between his coach and Chris Spielman.   

Holmes/Campbell don't care what what anyone else thinks.  And they have a lot more picks.

The other thing that occurs is the Carolina game.   After everything had fallen into place and the team was playing well,  Carolina ran the ball down their throat.   Detroit refused to come out of their 4-2-5 base set.   They view Campbell as part of the solution to that.

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MU82

Quote from: tower912 on April 28, 2023, 05:27:54 AM
The other thing that occurs is the Carolina game.   After everything had fallen into place and the team was playing well,  Carolina ran the ball down their throat.   Detroit refused to come out of their 4-2-5 base set.   They view Campbell as part of the solution to that.

Hey, nobody could stop the unstoppable juggernaut that was the 2022 Carolina Panthers.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Pakuni

Quote from: tower912 on April 28, 2023, 05:27:54 AM
The morning after......
Gibbs is seen as a hedge against  Swift continuing to be injured and only occasionally productive.  And he may be used a little in the slot. 

Campbell is seen as a cross between his coach and Chris Spielman.   

Holmes/Campbell don't care what what anyone else thinks.  And they have a lot more picks.

The other thing that occurs is the Carolina game.   After everything had fallen into place and the team was playing well,  Carolina ran the ball down their throat.   Detroit refused to come out of their 4-2-5 base set.   They view Campbell as part of the solution to that.

I think they're both good players who will have solid NFL careers, but both picks were suboptimal use of draft capital.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on April 28, 2023, 07:40:15 AM
I think they're both good players who will have solid NFL careers, but both picks were suboptimal use of draft capital.

The talk before the draft was most teams had 15 or so first round graded players.  I think Tower is right, once Witherspoon and Anderson were off the board, they pivoted and picked the players they had graded highest at the time of each pick.

Gibbs can be a dynamic player if used correctly and I think Campbell is a 10-year player that's very productive
Guster is for Lovers

Pakuni

Quote from: jesmu84 on April 27, 2023, 09:38:48 PM
So the bears turned #1 pick into #10 (needed OT), 1/2/2/4/5 and DJ Moore

Seems pretty good

Unless he's the next Lane Johnson, a top 10 pick is a high price to pay for a right tackle.

MU82

Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2023, 09:00:54 AM
The Will Levis movement has been crazy (I say this as someone who has been sitting on Levis to go #1 overall futures at 25:1 from last September).

He was +5000 to go #1 overall last night. He's now at +400.

According to reports, Levis didn't go #1 overall.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Hards Alumni

Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2023, 07:26:31 AM
Hey, nobody could stop the unstoppable juggernaut that was the 2022 Carolina Panthers.

Incorrect, the 2022 Carolina Panthers could stop them.

MU82

Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 28, 2023, 08:37:10 AM
Incorrect, the 2022 Carolina Panthers could stop them.

True. And they did a hell of a job!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Pakuni on April 28, 2023, 07:44:03 AM
Unless he's the next Lane Johnson, a top 10 pick is a high price to pay for a right tackle.

Jimbo Covert says hi

CreightonWarrior

Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2023, 08:15:28 AM
According to reports, Levis didn't go #1 overall.
Word is no one showed up to his birthday party.

MUBurrow

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 28, 2023, 09:07:13 AM
Word is no one showed up to his birthday party.

This made me laugh.  What a dogshit movie that was.... which I have still watched parts of when its on TV no fewer than 3x.

Pakuni

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 28, 2023, 08:59:43 AM
Jimbo Covert says hi

Covert played the left side. Van Horne played the right.
Tell Jimbo hi back.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Pakuni on April 28, 2023, 09:48:29 AM
Covert played the left side. Van Horne played the right.
Tell Jimbo hi back.

Picked 11th (not quite in your erudite subjective Top 10) but the point is, the last time the Bears were good, they used top picks on their offensive tackles. In this case, to protect their generational (debatable) QB. Hardly wasted.

lawdog77

Quote from: Pakuni on April 28, 2023, 09:48:29 AM
Covert played the left side. Van Horne played the right.
Tell Jimbo hi back.
Well, Justin Fields often had his back facing the left side of the line this year, so his point stands  :)

Dish

A pick literally at #10 being too high to take a right tackle is certainly a take.

They had a clear need at a lot of spots, but especially right tackle. They picked up a 4th, and got a pretty clean prospect. Will Anderson said Wright was the best o-lineman he went up against. It may not be sexy, and we'll wait to see, but I have a really hard time overall criticizing the spot/selection.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MUBurrow on April 28, 2023, 09:23:23 AM
This made me laugh.  What a dogcrap movie that was.... which I have still watched parts of when its on TV no fewer than 3x.

I don't know, "pancake eating motherf*cker" is still one of my favorite movie insults.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Pakuni

#321
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 28, 2023, 11:25:25 AM
A pick literally at #10 being too high to take a right tackle is certainly a take.

They had a clear need at a lot of spots, but especially right tackle. They picked up a 4th, and got a pretty clean prospect. Will Anderson said Wright was the best o-lineman he went up against. It may not be sexy, and we'll wait to see, but I have a really hard time overall criticizing the spot/selection.

This clearly isn't what I wrote, Dish.
Ultimately, the Bears used a premium pick on a non-premium position. Which is OK if Wright becomes elite at the position (hence my mention of Lane Johnson). The same would be true if they drafted Skoronski and moved him to guard.
But they passed on using the pick to fill needs at more important spots (three-technique, edge, CB, LT), which certainly is a choice.



RJax55

Quote from: Pakuni on April 28, 2023, 12:03:30 PM
This clearly isn't what I wrote, Dish.
Ultimately, the Bears used a premium pick on a non-premium position. Which is OK if Wright becomes elite at the position (hence my mention of Lane Johnson). The same would be true if they drafted Skoronski and moved him to guard.
But they passed on using the pick to fill needs at more important spots (three-technique, edge, CB, LT), which certainly is a choice.

There's a case to be made that simply OT should be listed as a premium position given how many of the premier edge rushers in the league primarily play off the left side of the defense.

Just off the top of my head, TJ Watt, Reddick, Hutchinson, Crosby are all left edge guys going against RTs. Others like Bosa, Garnett, and Judon move around a lot on passing downs to take advantage of matchups.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 28, 2023, 11:25:25 AM
A pick literally at #10 being too high to take a right tackle is certainly a take.

They had a clear need at a lot of spots, but especially right tackle. They picked up a 4th, and got a pretty clean prospect. Will Anderson said Wright was the best o-lineman he went up against. It may not be sexy, and we'll wait to see, but I have a really hard time overall criticizing the spot/selection.

To me splitting hairs re whether his position merits a top 10 pick is beside the point. They had a chance at #9 to take a guy who very well may be the best player in the draft, a guy who one month ago would have been the first non QB taken. Instead they took a guy a lot of people think is the 4th best offensive tackle in the draft. Fortune favors the brave - the Bears were anything but.

The Sultan

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 28, 2023, 12:39:10 PM
To me splitting hairs re whether his position merits a top 10 pick is beside the point. They had a chance at #9 to take a guy who very well may be the best player in the draft, a guy who one month ago would have been the first non QB taken. Instead they took a guy a lot of people think is the 4th best offensive tackle in the draft. Fortune favors the brave - the Bears were anything but.


Teams believe in their own draft grades. If they believe that Wright's the best option at OT, taking him at #10 isn't a bad idea by any stretch.  OT's are routinely taken in the top 10 of the draft - three of them just last year.
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