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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: JWags85 on February 28, 2023, 11:32:43 AM
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Seeing as the 22-23 NFL Season is over, this makes the most sense.
Reports yesterday that the Bears are leaning towards shopping the #1 pick, as most anticipated. I'll keep my enthusiasm limited, but if they could trade #1 to the Texans, move to #2, and then trade #2 to the Colts and move to #4 and STILL get Carter? I don't even know how to process that kind of joy.
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Lions fan says thank you LA Rams and Matthew Stafford.
Detroit had better go defense with their two first round picks.
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Was unaware butler game and the combine were the same week. Definitely keeping the steakhouses packed.
Way too many team binders lying all over the hotel lobby at my hotel.
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Hope the Packers surround Love with lots of weapons
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Lions fan says thank you LA Rams and Matthew Stafford.
Detroit had better go defense with their two first round picks.
Reports are that Jalen Ramsey is available. Would the Lions have interest?
Depending on what they would need to give up, of course. But I think their second 1st round pick might be enough for the Rams as they want a first and to get out from under the contract.
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Seeing as the 22-23 NFL Season is over, this makes the most sense.
Reports yesterday that the Bears are leaning towards shopping the #1 pick, as most anticipated. I'll keep my enthusiasm limited, but if they could trade #1 to the Texans, move to #2, and then trade #2 to the Colts and move to #4 and STILL get Carter? I don't even know how to process that kind of joy.
Sounds almost too good to be true. What other than Carter at #4 do you think the Bear’s get in those 2 deals?
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Reports are that Jalen Ramsey is available. Would the Lions have interest?
Depending on what they would need to give up, of course. But I think their second 1st round pick might be enough for the Rams as they want a first and to get out from under the contract.
I think they kick the tires. I personally would not return #6. But their second first round pick is acceptable.
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Sounds almost too good to be true. What other than Carter at #4 do you think the Bear’s get in those 2 deals?
Houston has 2 third round picks along with their 2 first round picks this year and next. Can they get two first rounders? I think so? One of those would be the Browns pick probably.
Colts don’t have any extra picks this year, so I’d be curious how much the Colts would give up.
Is it possible the bidding war at 2 is greater than 1? I’m not sure Indy has the ammunition to get to 1
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Sounds almost too good to be true. What other than Carter at #4 do you think the Bear’s get in those 2 deals?
PFF said 2nd and 2024 4th to move up to #1 for the Texans. Seems reasonable
I would think the move down from 2 to 4 will be more profitable. Think they could pick up another first and a second or two from the Colts for that, not including #4.
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For the bears...
Is Texans 2>1 and then colts 4>2 realistic? Likely, they would both want QBs. But if the Texans go to 1, are the colts really worried about AZ at 3? Seems it would be better for them to stay at 4
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For the bears...
Is Texans 2>1 and then colts 4>2 realistic? Likely, they would both want QBs. But if the Texans go to 1, are the colts really worried about AZ at 3? Seems it would be better for them to stay at 4
Someone is trading up to 2 or 3. Colts can wait or be proactive
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For the bears...
Is Texans 2>1 and then colts 4>2 realistic? Likely, they would both want QBs. But if the Texans go to 1, are the colts really worried about AZ at 3? Seems it would be better for them to stay at 4
Knowing the Colts would take a QB, what would stop Carolina/Vegas/Seattle/Jets/Bucs/Falcons/Saints/etc from trading up to 2 or 3 to jump them to take a QB?
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Dumb question. Can fans attend? Or is it just coaches/scouts, players and media?
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Rodgers said he isn’t going to drag out his decision and he’ll make up his mind soon enough according to the podcast he was on. Good news for the Packers
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Jalen Carter's draft stock about to tank.
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Jalen Carter's draft stock about to tank.
Unreal. Did he drive away from the scene? If he did, what a POS.
Him and Brandon Miller...yikes.
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Rodgers said he isn’t going to drag out his decision and he’ll make up his mind soon enough according to the podcast he was on. Good news for the Packers
That's also what he said in the post game press conference after the Lions game. It's about to be 2 months after that game now, so...
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Unreal. Did he drive away from the scene? If he did, what a POS.
Him and Brandon Miller...yikes.
I’m more willing to give Miller the benefit of the doubt as more evidence and information has come out and he has supposedly been forthright and cooperative with the police.
…but Carter is repeatedly lying to the police over the span of weeks AND may directly be responsible for the crash. That’s just garbage human behavior. I was all about him for the Bears, but I’m good with Anderson instead given this.
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Sounds almost too good to be true. What other than Carter at #4 do you think the Bear’s get in those 2 deals?
So, that feeling lasted less than 24 hours. When you have an owner like Rodgers, bad things happen.
P. S. I apologize ahead of time for being a d*ck.
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It's bad to say it, but Carter leaving the scene is probably a good move for him. Otherwise, he may be looking at a felony DUI in addition to reckless driving and racing.
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It's bad to say it, but Carter leaving the scene is probably a good move for him. Otherwise, he may be looking at a felony DUI in addition to reckless driving and racing.
He'd fit right in with the Bears and leaving the scene.
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So, that feeling lasted less than 24 hours. When you have an owner like Rodgers, bad things happen.
P. S. I apologize ahead of time for being a d*ck.
While i think the Rodgers owns the Bears gag is lame, I also love the world turning on him for being a tool, so I snickered.
I’m just thankful this happened pre-draft. It would be so Bears to have another first round bust…but not for actual football reasons
He'd fit right in with the Bears and leaving the scene.
+1 Lambo on the freeway shoulder
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While i think the Rodgers owns the Bears gag is lame, I also love the world turning on him for being a tool, so I snickered.
I’m just thankful this happened pre-draft. It would be so Bears to have another first round bust…but not for actual football reasons
+1 Lambo on the freeway shoulder
I've never been anti-Rodgers, but, yes, he deserves what he is getting now.
And, yes, this is a huge break that it happened now. So it will come down to one trade, and then a decision on either Anderson or another trade. Probably. :-\
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If Carter really is in trouble here, it puts the Bears in a bit of a quandary. If they can't stomach gambling on him as a top 4 pick, that means they can't swap with the Colts and still guarantee themselves one of the top two defenders on the board (assuming Arizona takes Anderson). Maybe they love Tyree Wilson or Myles Murphy and it doesn't matter.
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If Carter really is in trouble here, it puts the Bears in a bit of a quandary. If they can't stomach gambling on him as a top 4 pick, that means they can't swap with the Colts and still guarantee themselves one of the top two defenders on the board (assuming Arizona takes Anderson). Maybe they love Tyree Wilson or Myles Murphy and it doesn't matter.
I look at it this way, if this Carter news confirms the rumblings that existed about character issues around him, this at least helps address that risk.
The value of the number 1 pick is who wants it and what price they’ll pay. Sure, you’d want a stud defensive lineman, but the Bears have so many needs. If they move to say 7, and pick up a bunch of assets and draft Skoronski in the process, I’m good with that. It’s obviously much better that this news came out now than closer to the draft.
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I look at it this way, if this Carter news confirms the rumblings that existed about character issues around him, this at least helps address that risk.
The value of the number 1 pick is who wants it and what price they’ll pay. Sure, you’d want a stud defensive lineman, but the Bears have so many needs. If they move to say 7, and pick up a bunch of assets and draft Skoronski in the process, I’m good with that. It’s obviously much better that this news came out now than closer to the draft.
Sure, sure. The Bears are still in a good spot. But the narrative since the Texans knocked off the Colts in Week 18 has been that the Bears can trade down, add picks and still get one of Carter or Anderson. This complicates that, and I don't think people will be just as excited about Skoronski or Lukas Van Ness.
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Sure, sure. The Bears are still in a good spot. But the narrative since the Texans knocked off the Colts in Week 18 has been that the Bears can trade down, add picks and still get one of Carter or Anderson. This complicates that, and I don't think people will be just as excited about Skoronski or Lukas Van Ness.
Given the bears history in recent drafts, I’m willing to bet a lot of bears fans won’t be excited until they see dudes perform, regardless of who it is
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Sure, sure. The Bears are still in a good spot. But the narrative since the Texans knocked off the Colts in Week 18 has been that the Bears can trade down, add picks and still get one of Carter or Anderson. This complicates that, and I don't think people will be just as excited about Skoronski or Lukas Van Ness.
For sure, you’re not wrong, most fans will look at it that way, and ideally yes, you’d trade down and get a potential star d lineman. There’s still legit questions on Will Anderson’s ceiling (last year wasn’t as productive). I think there’s better value in collecting as many guys who can be productive starters as possible right now.
No dispute though that a potential top five pick falling through his own fault does indeed complicate things for a few teams, including Chicago.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/03/01/nflpa-report-cards-8-most-alarming-findings/11375436002/
LOL, the Cardinals charge their players for dinners and off-season meals.
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For sure, you’re not wrong, most fans will look at it that way, and ideally yes, you’d trade down and get a potential star d lineman. There’s still legit questions on Will Anderson’s ceiling (last year wasn’t as productive). I think there’s better value in collecting as many guys who can be productive starters as possible right now.
No dispute though that a potential top five pick falling through his own fault does indeed complicate things for a few teams, including Chicago.
Or you could say the value of the #1 pick has gone up due to fewer options?
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Or you could say the value of the #1 pick has gone up due to fewer options?
I think the value of the pick revolves around QBs. Those option are still the same. The value of the #3 & #4 picks have probably dropped, though.
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I think the value of the pick revolves around QBs. Those option are still the same. The value of the #3 & #4 picks have probably dropped, though.
I agree with this. If the Bears just don’t get anything they view as a decent offer and stay at 1, my guess is they go Will Anderson. Then if you’re Arizona at 3, you’re stuck most likely the same way the Bears are (no one really wants to move up). You could argue Arizona is the team most impacted by a potential Carter free fall.
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The Panthers, who are interested in Carr, also say they like several of the QBs who will be drafted. According to the Charlotte Observer, they have interviewed, Young, Stroud, Levis, Richardson, Hooker and Duggan at the combine.
The Panthers' GM also acknowledged that he could trade up to draft a QB.
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I'm starting to wonder just how far Carter drops. Given that these are misdemeanor charges and getting this resolved prior to the draft will be a priority, I can imagine him taking a plea to one of the charges, getting the other dropped and taking a sentence involving probation and community service.
If that happens, he probably stays in the top 10. Might be tough to pick him in the top 5, but I could see Detroit biting at #6, Atlanta at #8 or Philly at #10, where he'd be an ideal replacement for Javon Hargrave.
Vegas probably can't take him at #7, given the Henry Ruggs situation.
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It's bad to say it, but Carter leaving the scene is probably a good move for him. Otherwise, he may be looking at a felony DUI in addition to reckless driving and racing.
According to ESPN:
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported Wednesday that Carter was present at the scene of the crash and later provided shifting accounts of the incident to police.
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According to ESPN:
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported Wednesday that Carter was present at the scene of the crash and later provided shifting accounts of the incident to police.
Never talk to the cops without a lawyer present
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The Panthers, who are interested in Carr, also say they like several of the QBs who will be drafted. According to the Charlotte Observer, they have interviewed, Young, Stroud, Levis, Richardson, Hooker and Duggan at the combine.
The Panthers' GM also acknowledged that he could trade up to draft a QB.
Richardson has to the potential to be an absolute SUPERSTAR, but he needs to be at a franchise willing to be patient. I think he easily has highest ceiling of the top 4 QB prospects, but hes also the most raw/not ready. Funny enough, I think Stroud/Young are the most finished and ready, but Levis and Richardson have the tools to be the better QBs in the long run.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/03/01/nflpa-report-cards-8-most-alarming-findings/11375436002/
LOL, the Cardinals charge their players for dinners and off-season meals.
SHOCKED, just SHOCKED that the stingiest teams for food and perks like that are the Cardinals and Bengals. There are exceptions, like the Rooneys, but its no surprise that some of these OLD NFL families who weren't wealthy before starting/acquiring teams 80 years ago are still relentlessly cheap. The Browns, the Bidwells, the McCaskeys to an extent. Giants avoided this with the infusion of Tisch money.
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Derek Carr to the Saints
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Derek Carr to the Saints
Good news for the Packers, if they want to deal Rodgers. The Jets just got (more) desperate.
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Richardson has to the potential to be an absolute SUPERSTAR, but he needs to be at a franchise willing to be patient. I think he easily has highest ceiling of the top 4 QB prospects, but hes also the most raw/not ready. Funny enough, I think Stroud/Young are the most finished and ready, but Levis and Richardson have the tools to be the better QBs in the long run.
I'd be surprised if Richardson's public combine performance moves the needle all that much among NFL teams. Nobody is surprised that he's big, fast and an athletic freak. The question remains whether he can be a quarterback.
As an NFL team, what would scare me is that Richardson only completed 53.8% of his passes last year, which is a dreadful number in college. Only three QBs have been drafted after completing less than 55% - Trey Lance, Christian Hackenberg and Trace McSorely.
I agree that the upside is massive, but can a team (or coach) afford to pick him in the top 3 then sit him for a season or two and hope his passing develops?
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He drops due to accuracy issues. Detroit gets him with their second pick in the first round. He sits behind Goff for the last two years of Goff's contract.
Hey, everybody needs a dream.
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I'd be surprised if Richardson's public combine performance moves the needle all that much among NFL teams. Nobody is surprised that he's big, fast and an athletic freak. The question remains whether he can be a quarterback.
As an NFL team, what would scare me is that Richardson only completed 53.8% of his passes last year, which is a dreadful number in college. Only three QBs have been drafted after completing less than 55% - Trey Lance, Christian Hackenberg and Trace McSorely.
I agree that the upside is massive, but can a team (or coach) afford to pick him in the top 3 then sit him for a season or two and hope his passing develops?
Make Penn State QBs great again
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Derek Carr to the Saints
Dang. Not even sure I wanted him on the Panthers but I definitely didn’t want him to go to the Saints. They’ve got to be big favorites in the division.
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Dang. Not even sure I wanted him on the Panthers but I definitely didn’t want him to go to the Saints. They’ve got to be big favorites in the division.
Carr had a dreadful season last year with the best WR in football.
I wouldn't be that concerned.
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Carr had a dreadful season last year with the best WR in football.
I wouldn't be that concerned.
You're both right.
Carr was bad last year, worse even that his stats indicate. But barring a surprise, he'll start the season as the best QB in the NFC South, paired with the division's best defense.
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I'd be surprised if Richardson's public combine performance moves the needle all that much among NFL teams. Nobody is surprised that he's big, fast and an athletic freak. The question remains whether he can be a quarterback.
As an NFL team, what would scare me is that Richardson only completed 53.8% of his passes last year, which is a dreadful number in college. Only three QBs have been drafted after completing less than 55% - Trey Lance, Christian Hackenberg and Trace McSorely.
I agree that the upside is massive, but can a team (or coach) afford to pick him in the top 3 then sit him for a season or two and hope his passing develops?
I remember when the Bears traded for Rick Mirer. Big, strong, fast, good arm - lots of fans were exited. His only drawback was that he wasn’t a particularly accurate passer. For every Josh Allen there are several Rick Mirers.
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I'd be surprised if Richardson's public combine performance moves the needle all that much among NFL teams. Nobody is surprised that he's big, fast and an athletic freak. The question remains whether he can be a quarterback.
As an NFL team, what would scare me is that Richardson only completed 53.8% of his passes last year, which is a dreadful number in college. Only three QBs have been drafted after completing less than 55% - Trey Lance, Christian Hackenberg and Trace McSorely.
I agree that the upside is massive, but can a team (or coach) afford to pick him in the top 3 then sit him for a season or two and hope his passing develops?
The Athletic's Ted Nguyen just wrote an article comparing Richardson and Levis after talking to several NFL personnel people and after watching hours of film on both.
https://theathletic.com/4271011/2023/03/07/nfl-draft-anthony-richardson-will-levis-risk/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=6319110
Richardson’s lack of production was due to his inexperience and the offense he ran. I wouldn’t call the Florida offense pro-style, but it featured a lot more dropback and play-action concepts than an average college spread offense — 53 percent of his passes traveled at least 10 air yards. As a result, there weren’t a lot of “easy button” throws for Richardson to pad his stats with, and the Gators didn’t fully utilize Richardson’s running ability with their option package. They called a lot of their core concepts over and over again — possibly because of Richardson’s inexperience — so the Florida offense was somewhat predictable. His numbers weren’t great, but playing in this system might have helped his long-term development by giving him more dropback reps.
The article also said Florida's line sucked and his receivers usually failed to get open; they weren't even able to run basic pick routes well. It sounds like Florida wasn't a very well-coached team, either. Richardson often had poor footwork, which personnel people thought would be correctable. A couple other observations by Nguyen:
Pre-snap, Richardson makes good reads and knows where to look and go. He also consistently sniffs out blitzes and adjusts his protection, though I didn’t see him get to his hot routes or sight adjustments often on film, which might partially be a function of the offense. Post-snap, Richardson can struggle to adjust against coverage disguises. His interceptions are not often purposeful throws into traffic but rather products of reading the defense incorrectly, which could improve with experience.
Overall, Richardson has the tools to be an elite quarterback on par with the top playmaking quarterbacks in the NFL. There are a lot more translatable skills on film than I thought before watching his tape. He consistently gets through multiple progressions and wants to stay in the pocket.
The article was less positive about Levis, who tended to stick with his first read more often, force the ball into tight coverage and/or bail from the pocket earlier. But Nguyen also said Levis, like Richardson, didn't have great talent around him.
Although Levis is a powerful runner, "The ability to feel the rush and move subtly to buy time within the pocket is innate. It’s hard to see Levis developing into a high-level pocket manipulator."
Nguyen's conclusion:
I’d bet on Richardson. He’s younger — he’ll be 22 by Week 1, while Levis will be 24 — and Richardson’s biggest flaws seem to be correctable with more coaching and experience.
The strides Richardson will have to make to reach his potential are not for the risk-averse, but quarterbacks with Richardson’s physical tools don’t come around often, and his floor isn’t as low as some perceive. Richardson’s explosive ability as a runner means the team that drafts him can build an option-heavy attack with him — something Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson have proved can be successful — and Richardson has the arm talent to connect on schemed-up throws off play action.
Though I prefer Richardson, Levis isn’t a bad consolation prize. He has the tools to develop into a top-tier quarterback, with a rare combination of elite arm talent and good athleticism. Others might see Richarson’s long development curve as a no-go in the top 10, but it seems like the growing consensus is that he’s worth that type of risk.
As one general manager told The Athletic’s Mike Sando, “I like Anthony Richardson better than Levis, and I don’t think I’m the only GM who feels this way.”
This is the third piece I've read that preferred Richardson's ceiling to that of Levis. I've also read a couple that preferred Levis, including one quoting a GM that said he'd draft Levis first in this QB class.
I'm not a huge college football fan, and I never saw either guy play anything close to a full college game. Mostly just clips on Sportscenter, so all I know about either is based on video I see and articles I read. Based on that, both sound like huge gambles but I think Richardson sounds like the better gamble. I allow I could be completely wrong.
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I'll say in Levis' defense, UK's OC was pretty terrible most of the year and fans were very sick of him.
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I'll say in Levis' defense, UK's OC was pretty terrible most of the year and fans were very sick of him.
I don’t think there are any great QBs this year, but I would put Levis either 1 or 2.
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Lots of smoke about Lamar Jackson to the Falcons.
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Lots of smoke about Lamar Jackson to the Falcons.
It's smart for the Ravens to use the non-exclusive tag. If they think Jackson is overpricing himself, let the market dictate and match. If that's still too much, you get two firsts.
So any trade is going to net them more than that.
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It's smart for the Ravens to use the non-exclusive tag. If they think Jackson is overpricing himself, let the market dictate and match. If that's still too much, you get two firsts.
On the other hand, they probably could have received three 1sts in a trade.
If I'm, say, the Panthers or the Falcons, I'd much, much rather give two 1sts and a big contract to Lamar than two 1sts and additional draft capital to move up for the #1 pick and hope a guy pans out.
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Still need more skill players, but Lamar, Kyle Pitts, Cordarelle Patterson, and Drake London is an absurd amount of speed and weaponry to build around if the Falcons did it.
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Still need more skill players, but Lamar, Kyle Pitts, Cordarelle Patterson, and Drake London is an absurd amount of speed and weaponry to build around if the Falcons did it.
Yep.
And Tyler Allgeier was really, really good the second half of the season as well.
Also, Atlanta trails only the Bears in available cap space. They can absorb a $50+ million hit on Lamar if they need to.
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Still need more skill players, but Lamar, Kyle Pitts, Cordarelle Patterson, and Drake London is an absurd amount of speed and weaponry to build around if the Falcons did it.
Never underestimate desperate owners
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Yikes. Not a great story for Mixon. No word yet if he was the one who shot the gun or even home.
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Lots of smoke about Lamar Jackson to the Falcons.
Or not.
https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1633200049009176577?s=20
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Or not.
https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1633200049009176577?s=20
That’s because the Packers are getting him
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Yikes. Not a great story for Mixon. No word yet if he was the one who shot the gun or even home.
I miss the good old days when punching women was where he drew the line.
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As someone who does not like the Giants, the Jones deal is awesome!! Well done NY. ;D
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As someone who does not like the Giants, the Jones deal is awesome!! Well done NY. ;D
https://nypost.com/2023/03/07/daniel-jones-giants-agree-to-contract-before-tag-deadline/
It should also help with keeping Barcley as well. I think the Giants will draft a receiver, but their main emphasis will be looking at offensive lineman.
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As someone who does not like the Giants, the Jones deal is awesome!! Well done NY. ;D
Not sure why you think so. He's proven himself to be a capable starting caliber QB and its a pretty reasonable deal. Especially with only $80MM guaranteed. Its gonna look exceptionally inexpensive when Herbert, Lawrence, Burrow, not to mention Lamar, sign.
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I like Jones. He’ll never be a top 5 QB. But he’s solid.
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I like Jones. He’ll never be a top 5 QB. But he’s solid.
Agreed, and he's not getting paid like one. Its a cheaper deal than Dak got 2 years ago and he's younger without an injury history like when Dak got paid. Considering there were rumors or vague buzz about him wanting $50MM a year, this is great for the Giants.
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Not sure why you think so. He's proven himself to be a capable starting caliber QB and its a pretty reasonable deal. Especially with only $80MM guaranteed. Its gonna look exceptionally inexpensive when Herbert, Lawrence, Burrow, not to mention Lamar, sign.
Daboll worked miracles with the Giants' offense this year, which improved despite Jones, not because of him.
Warren Sharp did a deep/analytics dive into Jones' season a couple weeks ago, and it's not pretty. He's worse than you might expect.
Sharp basically found that the Giants' offensive improvement was largely the result of a huge leap in red-zone efficiency, and the primary reasons for that were playcalling and a heavier reliance on the run game. In many areas, Jones was actually worse in 2022 than 2021.
From the article:
Out of 47 QBs last year, Jones ranked:
44th in percentage of throws to travel beyond the first down marker (only 37%)
42nd n YPA (6.0)
41st in target depth (7.1)
39th in completion rate (56%)
33rd in first down conversion rate (31%)
26th in EPA/att (-0.16)
Jones posted career lows on first-down passing and on third/fourth-down passing, and was a bottom-10 QB out of 47 qualifying passers in multiple efficiency metrics on these downs.
These are shockingly bad numbers.
The whole article is here. I suspect it'll make anyone who reads it much less bullish on Danny Dimes. He's a bottom 10 QB.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/is-daniel-jones-worth-a-huge-financial-committment-analytics-say
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Daboll worked miracles with the Giants' offense this year, which improved despite Jones, not because of him.
Warren Sharp did a deep/analytics dive into Jones' season a couple weeks ago, and it's not pretty. He's worse than you might expect.
Sharp basically found that the Giants' offensive improvement was largely the result of a huge leap in red-zone efficiency, and the primary reasons for that were playcalling and a heavier reliance on the run game. In many areas, Jones was actually worse in 2022 than 2021.
From the article:
Out of 47 QBs last year, Jones ranked:
44th in percentage of throws to travel beyond the first down marker (only 37%)
42nd n YPA (6.0)
41st in target depth (7.1)
39th in completion rate (56%)
33rd in first down conversion rate (31%)
26th in EPA/att (-0.16)
Jones posted career lows on first-down passing and on third/fourth-down passing, and was a bottom-10 QB out of 47 qualifying passers in multiple efficiency metrics on these downs.
These are shockingly bad numbers.
The whole article is here. I suspect it'll make anyone who reads it much less bullish on Danny Dimes. He's a bottom 10 QB.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/is-daniel-jones-worth-a-huge-financial-committment-analytics-say
Interesting numbers. But that’s kind of what I think about him. He’s not someone who will have success in any offense in the league. But he can use his legs and if he has the right system he can be successful, which he was this year.
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Daboll worked miracles with the Giants' offense this year, which improved despite Jones, not because of him.
Warren Sharp did a deep/analytics dive into Jones' season a couple weeks ago, and it's not pretty. He's worse than you might expect.
Sharp basically found that the Giants' offensive improvement was largely the result of a huge leap in red-zone efficiency, and the primary reasons for that were playcalling and a heavier reliance on the run game. In many areas, Jones was actually worse in 2022 than 2021.
From the article:
Out of 47 QBs last year, Jones ranked:
44th in percentage of throws to travel beyond the first down marker (only 37%)
42nd n YPA (6.0)
41st in target depth (7.1)
39th in completion rate (56%)
33rd in first down conversion rate (31%)
26th in EPA/att (-0.16)
Jones posted career lows on first-down passing and on third/fourth-down passing, and was a bottom-10 QB out of 47 qualifying passers in multiple efficiency metrics on these downs.
These are shockingly bad numbers.
The whole article is here. I suspect it'll make anyone who reads it much less bullish on Danny Dimes. He's a bottom 10 QB.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/is-daniel-jones-worth-a-huge-financial-committment-analytics-say
As I hear constantly on NYC sports talk, DJ is throwing to 3rd & 4th string receivers. Also he has 7 rushing TDs.
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Interesting numbers. But that’s kind of what I think about him. He’s not someone who will have success in any offense in the league. But he can use his legs and if he has the right system he can be successful, which he was this year.
Further, I find it hard to believe that Daboll and Kafka didn't have significant input into whether or not Jones was retained for a sizeable extension. And if they felt he could get it done, then there is something to be said for that.
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Interesting numbers. But that’s kind of what I think about him. He’s not someone who will have success in any offense in the league. But he can use his legs and if he has the right system he can be successful, which he was this year.
Here's where we (and the analytics) differ.
There's no empirical case for believing Jones was successful last season. As Sharp's analysis points out, his numbers were bottom tier and the Giants' offense got better in spite of Jones' performance - largely by relying on him less - not because of it.
If you want to make the case that wins-losses is all that matters, that's OK. I would argue you could find many QBs who aren't costing you $82 million guaranteed to produce similarly.
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The Giants made the playoffs this past season. Their only goal should be to win the Super Bowl the next couple of years. Will Daniel Jones help them do that? That's all that matters, and we'll have to see. There are no participation ribbons in pro sports.
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Well, the Gians were top 5 in the league in passes dropped. They had horrible receivers, so maybe throwing downfield was not part of the gameplan.
The stats I see show Daniel Jones completing 67.2% of his passes. Only 5 INT's for the year.6th in QBR He's no Patrick Mahomes, but he's decent.
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If Jones can double his numbers to become a top 10-15 QB, then the Giants did well.
I would not be surprised if the Giants drafted a QB relatively high in the next couple of years.
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Bears have traded first overall pick to Carolina!
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Great trade, getting DJ Moore with all those picks is outstanding.
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And that, Packers fans, is why Bears fans were very happy with how the season turned out.
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Great trade, getting DJ Moore with all those picks is outstanding.
Carolina wut u do, lulz
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No idea why Carolina didn’t sign an offer sheet with Lamar. Asset wise they gave up so much more (including two firsts) for the number one pick.
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Sure gives some insight as to what Poles/Eberflus thought about any QB candidate and Carter/Anderson
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That 2024 first rounder could be golden. Top of next year’s draft is loaded. Having multiple first rounders next year was always key.
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Also, interesting that they were willing to spread the picks out over 3 years
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Sure gives some insight as to what Poles/Eberflus thought about any QB candidate and Carter/Anderson
They still have ammunition to move back up should they choose. Think DJ Moore was a big key in this deal
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No idea why Carolina didn’t sign an offer sheet with Lamar. Asset wise they gave up so much more (including two firsts) for the number one pick.
Methinks the "C" word is at play.
But a really solid return for the Bears. Shocked that Carolina would include Moore. And that definitely could be another top 10 in pick in 2024.
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Bears could have two picks in the top 10 next season if they don't decide to trade back up.
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Methinks the "C" word is at play.
But a really solid return for the Bears. Shocked that Carolina would include Moore. And that definitely could be another top 10 in pick in 2024.
Yeah, it was interesting how quickly so many teams immediately said “not interested” in Lamar. You might be right on.
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'Collusion'?
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They still have ammunition to move back up should they choose. Think DJ Moore was a big key in this deal
Allegedly, panthers wanted to throw in another first, but Poles wanted Moore instead.
He's 25. Bears get him for 3 years at 17.5/year
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Allegedly, panthers wanted to throw in another first, but Poles wanted Moore instead.
He's 25. Bears get him for 3 years at 17.5/year
After seeing Packer fans drool over Moore last trade deadline, I’m looking forward to the pivot he’s not good
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Carolina is dumb
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That 2024 first rounder could be golden. Top of next year’s draft is loaded. Having multiple first rounders next year was always key.
That was my 1st thought. The #1 next year could/should be a top 5 pick.
As of now, it looks like a fleece job by Poles. We’ll know in a couple years.
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After seeing Packer fans drool over Moore last trade deadline, I’m looking forward to the pivot he’s not good
I think he's really good, and he could he exceptional with decent quarterback play. He'll be really good in Chicago.
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I think he's really good, and he could he exceptional with decent quarterback play. He'll be really good in Chicago.
Bears gave Fields a legit potential #1 WR.
With the two number ones next year, more pressure on Fields to perform perhaps
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And for clarity, Bears obviously still have a ton of work to do. This trade helps that cause greatly, but still have to improve that roster significantly.
Also, no idea who is going to catch passes in Carolina. That young QB is going to have issues in 2023.
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Murphy talked about Aaron in the past tense today.
Now trying to see how much he can get from the Jets - and maybe using Miami to run up the price.
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Murphy talked about Aaron in the past tense today.
Now trying to see how much he can get from the Jets - and maybe using Miami to run up the price.
I have no idea why he doesn't just shut the F up until this is all done.
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#12 can simply fook the Pack over by retirin'. Then, unretire and sign with the Jets. Thereby, insurin' GB gets nothin' in return, hey?
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#12 can simply fook the Pack over by retirin'. Then, unretire and sign with the Jets. Thereby, insurin' GB gets nothin' in return, hey?
Not quite how it works.
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#12 can simply fook the Pack over by retirin'. Then, unretire and sign with the Jets. Thereby, insurin' GB gets nothin' in return, hey?
Wouldn’t that be something?
I hope Damian Lillard means the one player he’d like to play with is Giannis. Giannis should just dial him up, tell him to send in his retirement papers, and then sign with the Bucks for the stretch run here, hey?
Why haven’t they thought of that yet?
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Not quite how it works.
Well, 'splain it ta me, hey?
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Well, 'splain it ta me, hey?
He’s under contract to the Packers, like Sean Payton with the Saints and why the Broncos had to pay compensation to hire him
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O, eye sea. New ewe guys were heer four a reason, hey?
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O, eye sea. New ewe guys were heer four a reason, hey?
Per the Sultan Rules, you admit you were wrong, and it can no longer be held against you.
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Per the Sultan Rules, you admit you were wrong, and it can no longer be held against you.
4ever asked and was answered. No harm.
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Instant reaction is I do not love the trade. My team gave up a ton, and still doesn't have nearly enough talent. And while I really like Bryce Young, I don't think he or any QB in this draft is close to being the proverbial "sure thing."
But I'm trying to keep an open mind until I see what the Panthers do over the next couple months. They could sign a couple of good free-agent receivers to give their new QB some reliable targets; they still have a decent number of draft picks this year thanks to the McCaffrey trade and could use them wisely (which would be a nice change of pace!); hell, they could even trade down a couple spots with the pick they just got from the Bears and then claim they got the QB they wanted all along.
Gave up a ton, though, including a talented and proven WR. Tough to love it right this instant.
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Per the Sultan Rules, you admit you were wrong, and it can no longer be held against you.
Actually that's not what I said at all. If you want to continue to make fun of me for mixing up Wrightsil and Ellis, and call me a racist for doing so even though I admitted my error, feel free. Doesn't bother me in the least and says way more about you than it does me.
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Instant reaction is I do not love the trade. My team gave up a ton, and still doesn't have nearly enough talent. And while I really like Bryce Young, I don't think he or any QB in this draft is close to being the proverbial "sure thing."
But I'm trying to keep an open mind until I see what the Panthers do over the next couple months. They could sign a couple of good free-agent receivers to give their new QB some reliable targets; they still have a decent number of draft picks this year thanks to the McCaffrey trade and could use them wisely (which would be a nice change of pace!); hell, they could even trade down a couple spots with the pick they just got from the Bears and then claim they got the QB they wanted all along.
Gave up a ton, though, including a talented and proven WR. Tough to love it right this instant.
This is the hot rumor right now.
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This is the hot rumor right now.
It makes a lot of sense. Unless there is one guy you must have, the best thing about having the No. 1 draft choice (as the Bears found out) is that you control the draft in the weeks, days and hours before it begins.
The Panthers obviously really, really like at least one of the QBs or they wouldn't have made the trade. Over the next several weeks, they could absolutely fall in love with one of them and say, "We can't take a chance that he won't be there," and use the pick they just got to draft him. Or they could really like 2 or 3 of them just about equally and say, "We'll be happy with whoever is there," and trade it for a pretty nice haul.
They were convinced about 2 things: They definitely wanted a QB in this draft; and they were sure he wasn't gonna be there at No. 9. So they were proactive well in advance of the draft and they gave themselves options.
I'm skeptical that they will use those options well, but I'm hoping they will.
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I have no idea why he doesn't just shut the F up until this is all done.
I think it was done with a purpose.
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I think it was done with a purpose.
Take the trade, Aaron
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Rodgers is toxic and the entire NFL knows it unfortunately for the Packers. The Jets are just a very desperate organization.
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I think it was done with a purpose.
Exactly. Mark Murphy isn’t going to be interviewed during the girls state tournament unless he has something to say. He’s not dumb.
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Here's what Panthers GM Scott Fitterer was asked during the combine about possibly trading up to get in position for a quarterback:
“You go get the guy that you want. If you have conviction on a guy, you go get him. It’s pretty simple that way. If you don’t know and you’re going to give all these resources to go up and get it, you’re hurting your team in the long run. You better be right. You better have conviction if you do move up. But when you do that, you’re all in.”
He's right about better being right, as he certainly put his own job on the line.
The Athletic's Panthers beat writer said: "The Panthers were comfortable getting to either No. 1 or No. 2 on the draft board, according to a source with knowledge of the trade talks who was provided anonymity so he could speak freely. That suggests the Panthers feel good about two of the QBs."
He also said that "many in league circles" believe the Panthers favor Stroud for his accuracy and pro-QB size.
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Exactly. Mark Murphy isn’t going to be interviewed during the girls state tournament unless he has something to say. He’s not dumb.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhh
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As a Bears fan I’m happy with return. What I look for in all Poles’s moves is that they have an eye on the future beyond next year. Moore is under contract for a few years and the panthers pick next year is potentially top 10.
Sure would like to have the Claypool pick back, at least at this point.
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As a Bears fan I’m happy with return. What I look for in all Poles’s moves is that they have an eye on the future beyond next year. Moore is under contract for a few years and the panthers pick next year is potentially top 10.
Sure would like to have the Claypool pick back, at least at this point.
I also expect a much better showing from Claypool after a full offseason with the team and more talent on that side of the ball.
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I also expect a much better showing from Claypool after a full offseason with the team and more talent on that side of the ball.
Yeah. I hope you’re right, Vander. Who do you like at #9?
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Yeah. I hope you’re right, Vander. Who do you like at #9?
Not vander...
Oregon CB, Skoronowski or best DL
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Considering what they gave up to get him, Rams sold Ramsey for 30 cents on the dollar.
Guess no one else could beat Miami’s ho hum offer.
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Considering what they gave up to get him, Rams sold Ramsey for 30 cents on the dollar.
Guess no one else could beat Miami’s ho hum offer.
Rams got a ring and a new stadium...and now are going to be entering a weird purgatory period. He may have stuck around for another year but I can't see McVay wanting to stay much longer given the exodus.
Yeah. I hope you’re right, Vander. Who do you like at #9?
Also not Vander, but I'd take a Jaden Carter free fall. But realistically, I think I actually like Paris Johnson over Skoronowski. I think he's a better athlete and his size is really intriguing. Other than that I also like Lukas Van Ness, I think he's gonna be a really good pass rusher at the next level.
And while its kind of crazy, I don't HATE the idea of Bijan Robinson, especially if people are talking about him like another Saquon. Adding him and Moore, not including any FA signings, upgrades Fields' options in a HURRY
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Rams got a ring and a new stadium...and now are going to be entering a weird purgatory period. He may have stuck around for another year but I can't see McVay wanting to stay much longer given the exodus.
I think they are well on their way to completely blowing it up this offseason. They have their 2024 1st rounder. Tank and be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes.
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I think they are well on their way to completely blowing it up this offseason. They have their 2024 1st rounder. Tank and be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes.
Great, another season of explaining why and how teams tank to some Scoopers. :(
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Great, another season of explaining why and how teams tank to some Scoopers. :(
I don't think "how and why teams tank" is exactly what the issue was, but have fun.
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Lions will sign Cam Sutton from the Steelers. That changes their priorities for the first round of the draft. I think even more strongly that Detroit will be looking interior defense.
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Jimmy G to the Raiders.
Counting down to AR to the Jets.
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Bears didn't want to give $60 million guaranteed to Roquan because an off-ball linebacker isn't that valuable, but they give a $50 million guarantee to Tremaine Edmunds.
Hmmm.
In fairness, they did get a late 2nd out of the deal, but it's still a downgrade for minimal savings.
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Panthers about to sign Shy Tuttle.
That's right, we've got Shy freakin' Tuttle now. Super Bowl or bust, baby!
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Jimmy G to the Raiders.
Counting down to AR to the Jets.
In a world where Danny Dimes gets 4/$160, with $82 million guaranteed, 3/$67.5, with $34 million guaranteed for Jimmy G is a steal.
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Bears didn't want to give $60 million guaranteed to Roquan because an off-ball linebacker isn't that valuable, but they give a $50 million guarantee to Tremaine Edmunds.
Hmmm.
In fairness, they did get a late 2nd out of the deal, but it's still a downgrade for minimal savings.
They essentially spent $24M on Edmunds/Edwards/2nd round pick (plus put themselves in a better position to tank without Smith), instead of paying $20M for Roquan.
And I’m not disagreeing necessarily with you, just pointing out their overall jostling here.
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They essentially spent $24M on Edmunds/Edwards/2nd round pick (plus put themselves in a better position to tank without Smith), instead of paying $20M for Roquan.
And I’m not disagreeing necessarily with you, just pointing out their overall jostling here.
I suppose.
I would imagine that they would have had no problem adding Edwards with Roquan still in the fold, so that's probably not an either/or.
More realistically, you're swapping Roquan for Edmunds, the 53rd pick and a sliver of cap savings. That 53rd pick may make it worth it eventually, but the cap impact seems pretty minimal (at least without seeing the full breakdown). We'll see.
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I suppose.
I would imagine that they would have had no problem adding Edwards with Roquan still in the fold, so that's probably not an either/or.
More realistically, you're swapping Roquan for Edmunds, the 53rd pick and a sliver of cap savings. That 53rd pick may make it worth it eventually, but the cap impact seems pretty minimal (at least without seeing the full breakdown). We'll see.
I think a valid criticism is that they’re spending on LB’s, while shedding a pro bowl caliber LB, and not investing as much (yet?) in the o-line and d-line. That’s a totally fair assessment I wouldn’t disagree with.
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In a world where Danny Dimes gets 4/$160, with $82 million guaranteed, 3/$67.5, with $34 million guaranteed for Jimmy G is a steal.
Was thinking the exact same thing. Although it's hard to put a dollar value on the games he'll miss due to injury.
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I was at the airport in Vegas on Sunday and there’s a Raiders store in terminal C. I was looking around and saw one sale sign in the store “All Darren Waller jerseys/shirts 50% off”, and thought it was either weird or the store management was told by someone who knows things that Waller was no longer going to be a Raider.
Sure enough, he’s been traded.
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Have to think Waller's injury history plays into it, given the last 2 years. Cause a 3rd for 2020 Waller seems like a steal.
Also, brutal trade coming 10 days after he marries Kelsey Plum, fellow LV based star athlete. Fortunately for them, there is really now overlap between NFL and WNBA seasons. And perhaps, given their now combined earnings, she eschews the lucrative off-season club deals in Europe most WNBA stars play.
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Have to think Waller's injury history plays into it, given the last 2 years. Cause a 3rd for 2020 Waller seems like a steal.
Also, brutal trade coming 10 days after he marries Kelsey Plum, fellow LV based star athlete. Fortunately for them, there is really now overlap between NFL and WNBA seasons. And perhaps, given their now combined earnings, she eschews the lucrative off-season club deals in Europe most WNBA stars play.
Health seems likely to have played a big part in this. Waller has made only 17 starts the past two seasons and turns 31 in September. Players don't often get healthier as they get on the wrong side of 30.
Still, a late 3rd isn't bad for a guy on a reasonable contract who can be elite when healthy. Seems like a decent gamble for the Giants.
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Everytime I refresh Twitter, the terrorists (Aaron Rodgers) win
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Looking forward to the Panthers' QB1 tweet.
@AdamSchefter
Veteran free-agent QB Andy Dalton is expected to reach agreement on a two-year, $10 million deal that includes $8 million fully guaranteed with the Carolina Panthers, per source. Contract max value is $17 million.
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Looking forward to the Panthers' QB1 tweet.
@AdamSchefter
Veteran free-agent QB Andy Dalton is expected to reach agreement on a two-year, $10 million deal that includes $8 million fully guaranteed with the Carolina Panthers, per source. Contract max value is $17 million.
That 2024 1st rounder is looking like another #1 for the Bears.
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The Raiders signing as many ex Patriots as they can should surely work out well for Josh McDaniels.
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It worked out for the Lions under Quinntricia.
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Is Aaron effectively the offensive GM of the Jets right now?
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Is Aaron effectively the offensive GM of the Jets right now?
Isn’t that a conflict of interest?
He owns one team and is the GM of a different team.
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300,000 folks are watching McAfee show today to see Aaron speak
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300,000 folks are watching McAfee show today to see Aaron speak
Can't imagine a situation where I'd ever watch that show.
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Per Aaron, he will play for the jets this season. Pack/NY working out compensation
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I look forward to Jordan Love having a HOF career and 15 years from now asking for a trade to the Jets.
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Can't imagine a situation where I'd ever watch that show.
Pat's entertaining. AJ is an anchor.
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I look forward to Jordan Love having a HOF career and 15 years from now asking for a trade to the Jets.
But this time can we get one more Super Bowl out of a HOF QB?
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Per Aaron, he will play for the jets this season. Pack/NY working out compensation
Outside of not wanting to be the "bad guys" there's not a lot of football reasons for the Packers to lowball themselves. Jets basically have the choice of trading up for a rookie, signing Lamar Jackson and pissing off owners, or Rodgers. Their best free agent option is probably Brissett. The "real" money is a legitimate reason for the Packers to get out from under it. But that is also not imminent
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As a pure football fan, I’m excited to see Love get an offseason as the guy and see what he can do. Very short sample size, but the confidence he showed in that Eagles game was impressive, he looked great in that game, it wasn’t something I had seen out of him (again, short sample size) previously.
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As a pure football fan, I’m excited to see Love get an offseason as the guy and see what he can do. Very short sample size, but the confidence he showed in that Eagles game was impressive, he looked great in that game, it wasn’t something I had seen out of him (again, short sample size) previously.
Matt Flynn too
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Jalen Carter might be undraftable. I mean I know he’ll get drafted, but under no circumstance can you show up to your pro day workout out of shape and be so gassed you can’t finish drills.
That’s not even adding in his arrest and alleged character issues.
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Jalen Carter might be undraftable. I mean I know he’ll get drafted, but under no circumstance can you show up to your pro day workout out of shape and be so gassed you can’t finish drills.
That’s not even adding in his arrest and alleged character issues.
Big-time JaMarcus Russell at the Combine vibes.
But yeah, the talent is there. And because of that, someone will take him, and probably earlier some expect. A team with multiple firsts - Seattle, Detroit, Philly, Houston - probably can take the risk.
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Jalen Carter might be undraftable. I mean I know he’ll get drafted, but under no circumstance can you show up to your pro day workout out of shape and be so gassed you can’t finish drills.
That’s not even adding in his arrest and alleged character issues.
No idea if its the case, but I'm sure the kid is suffering from some depression/trauma right now. He's been through a lot, not that surprising that he might be a bit out of shape.
The question is how does he grow and respond to this. Could go either way, he becomes a better person and a more dedicated athlete, or he spirals into obscurity.
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No idea if its the case, but I'm sure the kid is suffering from some depression/trauma right now. He's been through a lot, not that surprising that he might be a bit out of shape.
The question is how does he grow and respond to this. Could go either way, he becomes a better person and a more dedicated athlete, or he spirals into obscurity.
I’m sure you’re right, and certainly respect if he is going through some emotional/mental issues.
My problem is he and his agency know this pro date is scheduled. If he’s in no condition to participate, make up a decent reason to postpone (hamstring/stomach bug). As a potential top ten pick, all he has had to do since the title game is simply not get into trouble, that’s it. He should be in Arizona or California hunkered down at a training facility from mid January through the draft.
Maybe he picked poor representation, I don’t know, but his decision making has not been great, and this is before he’s earned potentially generational wealth.
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No idea if its the case, but I'm sure the kid is suffering from some depression/trauma right now. He's been through a lot, not that surprising that he might be a bit out of shape.
The question is how does he grow and respond to this. Could go either way, he becomes a better person and a more dedicated athlete, or he spirals into obscurity.
He’s not a victim. He lied about his involvement to the cops after a teammate died.
Two people died. He should be feeling guilt and anguish.
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He’s not a victim. He lied about his involvement to the cops after a teammate died.
Two people died. He should be feeling guilt and anguish.
Never said he was a victim. Said he was likely suffering from depression/trauma, which can result from guilt and anguish due to his involvement in the death of a teammate and colleague.
I’m sure you’re right, and certainly respect if he is going through some emotional/mental issues.
My problem is he and his agency know this pro date is scheduled. If he’s in no condition to participate, make up a decent reason to postpone (hamstring/stomach bug). As a potential top ten pick, all he has had to do since the title game is simply not get into trouble, that’s it. He should be in Arizona or California hunkered down at a training facility from mid January through the draft.
Maybe he picked poor representation, I don’t know, but his decision making has not been great, and this is before he’s earned potentially generational wealth.
All very reasonable.
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@SethWEmerson
News: Jalen Carter has entered a deal with Athens-Clarke County solicitors, per his lawyer. Carter has pled no contest and will receive 12 months probation, pay a $1,000 fine, perform 80 hours community service and finish a driving course.
Carter will receive no jail time.
As for his mental state ... no, he's not a victim, but he is a 21-year-old young man whose actions inadvertently helped lead to the deaths of two people. Unless he's a sociopath, I imagine he carries a great deal of guilt and shame over that.
It's OK to believe he should be held accountable for his actions while also having empathy for whatever suffering he may be experiencing.
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@SethWEmerson
News: Jalen Carter has entered a deal with Athens-Clarke County solicitors, per his lawyer. Carter has pled no contest and will receive 12 months probation, pay a $1,000 fine, perform 80 hours community service and finish a driving course.
Carter will receive no jail time.
As for his mental state ... no, he's not a victim, but he is a 21-year-old young man whose actions inadvertently helped lead to the deaths of two people. Unless he's a sociopath, I imagine he carries a great deal of guilt and shame over that.
It's OK to believe he should be held accountable for his actions while also having empathy for whatever suffering he may be experiencing.
Yes, we can have empathy, but it pales in comparison to the sympathy we should feel for the families of the two dead victims and the others injured in the crash. We should also be thankful that more people didn't die during this drunken escapade.
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Tonyan heading home to Chicago on a one year deal.
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Tonyan specializes in TE leak plays, so he may be a great outlet for Fields given the attention he'll draw on RPOs and run plays
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Tonyan heading home to Chicago on a one year deal.
Shocked Rodgers didn’t force the Jets to sign him too
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Tonyan specializes in TE leak plays, so he may be a great outlet for Fields given the attention he'll draw on RPOs and run plays
He just isn’t very good, though. Just one fluke year.
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He just isn’t very good, though. Just one fluke year.
He's going to be a #2 TE on a one-year deal.
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Lions have signed another high profile defensive back.
(Obligatory joke about how being a Lions DB is like being a Spinal Tap drummer)
I think this means they are definitely going D-Line/LB in the draft. Or packaging the picks in a trade.
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So, the Lamar Jackson situation is fascinating.
QB is 26, former mvp with seemingly no market.
I’m not a huge Lamar guy. I get the hesitation, yet, in a league desperate for QBs, seems odd there isn’t a market
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So, the Lamar Jackson situation is fascinating.
QB is 26, former mvp with seemingly no market.
I’m not a huge Lamar guy. I get the hesitation, yet, in a league desperate for QBs, seems odd there isn’t a market
It is no surprise to me there isn't a market. Everyone forgets he is looking for $200 million guaranteed. He has turned down $133 million guaranteed. That kills the market. There would be no market for 2x champion Patrick Mahomes at that ask.
For comparison to Mahomes deal:
"The deal will be worth an NFL-record $477 million and includes $63 million fully guaranteed at signing, per The MMQB's Albert Breer."
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It is no surprise to me there isn't a market. Everyone forgets he is looking for $200 million guaranteed. He has turned down $133 million guaranteed. That kills the market. There would be no market for 2x champion Patrick Mahomes at that ask.
For comparison to Mahomes deal:
"The deal will be worth an NFL-record $477 million and includes $63 million fully guaranteed at signing, per The MMQB's Albert Breer."
Yeah I think it’s a bit of collusion and a bit of salary expectations.
If he was looking for 2 years and $80MM guaranteed, people would be falling over themselves to make a deal work
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So, the Lamar Jackson situation is fascinating.
QB is 26, former mvp with seemingly no market.
I’m not a huge Lamar guy. I get the hesitation, yet, in a league desperate for QBs, seems odd there isn’t a market
There's a market. There just isn't a market for a fully guaranteed Deshaun Watson redux contract.
The Watson contract was an outlier. The first and only of its kind. The only owner in the history of the NFL to give out such a contract was Jimmy Haslam.
Is it collusion if no other owner will follow with a carbon copy of that one-of-a-kind contract? I usually take the player's side in these things, but I certainly can see why no owner wants to go there.
Also, is it an insult to Jackson if an owner is willing to give him one of the best contracts in history -- better than the contracts of QBs who have actually won something -- albeit not a Watson contract?
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I think a lot of what you guys have said is accurate.
Wonder what kind of deal Jalen Hurts will get
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Yeah I think it’s a bit of collusion and a bit of salary expectations.
If he was looking for 2 years and $80MM guaranteed, people would be falling over themselves to make a deal work
I honestly don't see any collusion. Why spend the time and effort to negotiate a deal with Lamar that he will never sign plus upset your current starting QB for no benefit.
I wouldn't want Shaka spending time and effort on a top 5 talent looking for a 7 figure payday (assuming we could not deliver the payday). I think Shaka's approach to transfers last year proves out that strategy. He didn't want to piss off our guys. NFL GMs are smart people too
I do agree teams would be lining up for Lamar if he would agree to a 2 year $80mil guaranty.
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There's a market. There just isn't a market for a fully guaranteed Deshaun Watson redux contract.
The Watson contract was an outlier. The first and only of its kind. The only owner in the history of the NFL to give out such a contract was Jimmy Haslam.
Is it collusion if no other owner will follow with a carbon copy of that one-of-a-kind contract? I usually take the player's side in these things, but I certainly can see why no owner wants to go there.
Also, is it an insult to Jackson if an owner is willing to give him one of the best contracts in history -- better than the contracts of QBs who have actually won something -- albeit not a Watson contract?
I don't know if that is ENTIRELY fair. The previous 2 offseasons saw Rodgers and Josh Allen sign contracts that each guaranteed $150MM. Given he's a decade+ younger than Rodgers and has an MVP unlike Allen, I don't think the additional $50MM is insane as QB salaries always increase YOY. Especially since I don't think he'd spit at ONLY $175-$180MM guaranteed if it was placed in front of him.
That being said, outside of Watson, none of the big guarantees were going to new teams, so I totally agree that leaving the Ravens and expecting that level of guarantee would be totally unrealistic.
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I don't know if that is ENTIRELY fair. The previous 2 offseasons saw Rodgers and Josh Allen sign contracts that each guaranteed $150MM. Given he's a decade+ younger than Rodgers and has an MVP unlike Allen, I don't think the additional $50MM is insane as QB salaries always increase YOY. Especially since I don't think he'd spit at ONLY $175-$180MM guaranteed if it was placed in front of him.
That being said, outside of Watson, none of the big guarantees were going to new teams, so I totally agree that leaving the Ravens and expecting that level of guarantee would be totally unrealistic.
OK. We agree on enough to not go back and forth, and we agree totally on your last point.
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I don't know if that is ENTIRELY fair. The previous 2 offseasons saw Rodgers and Josh Allen sign contracts that each guaranteed $150MM. Given he's a decade+ younger than Rodgers and has an MVP unlike Allen, I don't think the additional $50MM is insane as QB salaries always increase YOY. Especially since I don't think he'd spit at ONLY $175-$180MM guaranteed if it was placed in front of him.
That being said, outside of Watson, none of the big guarantees were going to new teams, so I totally agree that leaving the Ravens and expecting that level of guarantee would be totally unrealistic.
Don't know about Rodgers, but Allen's was $100mil fully guaranteed. I'm not trying to invalidate your point, just what was reported.
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Jackson had an uphill climb to get the money you would expect in a vaccuum for a 26 year old former MVP for the same reasons he slid to 32 while Baker, Allen, and Rosen went in the first 10 picks. But he's committing some real unforced errors along the way now, too. The not having an agent thing is a legit issue. Negotiating for yourself starts to look like baseball arbitration, where the team needs to balance standard negotiation, legitimate criticism, and the player's ego. That's a tough combo when you're asking the Ravens to commit to you being their QB for half a decade. Plus, now that he's asking for a trade, no team is going to work out a trade before getting Lamar to agree to a deal. So you're putting potential trade partners in the same position, and most teams are just going to decide it isn't worth it.
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Don't know about Rodgers, but Allen's was $100mil fully guaranteed. I'm not trying to invalidate your point, just what was reported.
Allen's is $150MM guaranteed for injury, $100MM full guaranteed. For a 26 year old top 5 QB in the league, thats basically $150MM guaranteed for me. I don't see him (or Jackson for this discussion) falling off enough in the next 4-5 seasons that they would be cut, saving the extra $50MM.
Cam Newton would be the closest, but his issue was injury related. If his contract was guaranteed like Allen's is, I don't see him getting cut the way he did.
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Pretty clear, if reading between the lines, the owners all agreed Watson's contract is bad news and no team should come close to that type of deal again.
Is it collusion? Depends on the perspective
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Allen's is $150MM guaranteed for injury, $100MM full guaranteed. For a 26 year old top 5 QB in the league, thats basically $150MM guaranteed for me. I don't see him (or Jackson for this discussion) falling off enough in the next 4-5 seasons that they would be cut, saving the extra $50MM.
Cam Newton would be the closest, but his issue was injury related. If his contract was guaranteed like Allen's is, I don't see him getting cut the way he did.
Jackson missed the final 4 games of the 2021 season (and 5 overall), a big reason Baltimore didn't make the playoffs. He then missed the final 5 games of the 2022 regular season as well as Baltimore's playoff game, which the team lost.
When he was healthy, he went 1-3 in the postseason, with Baltimore scoring 17, 12 and 3 points in the losses. His stats in those games are pretty bad.
Jackson is a talent, and he is at least as accomplished as Watson (without having any of Watson's off-field baggage). But Jackson isn't as accomplished as some others who have been mentioned in this thread -- especially Mahomes and Rodgers. He also has taken a lot of hits, and each of his last 2 seasons have ended in injury well before the playoffs.
Put all that together and it doesn't seem to scream mega-guaranteed-contract.
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Allen's is $150MM guaranteed for injury, $100MM full guaranteed. For a 26 year old top 5 QB in the league, thats basically $150MM guaranteed for me. I don't see him (or Jackson for this discussion) falling off enough in the next 4-5 seasons that they would be cut, saving the extra $50MM.
Cam Newton would be the closest, but his issue was injury related. If his contract was guaranteed like Allen's is, I don't see him getting cut the way he did.
I know Jackson was offered $133Mil fully guaranteed. I have not seen his injury guaranty amount. I'd guess $180-190mil.
I think Jackson is concerned about being cut during his contract if his injury issues continue and only plays 50% of games. I think he is correct in his thinking about this and that is why he has dug his heals in. If he was confident in his ability to be available he'd ask for a Mahomes type contract.
Big picture, the Ravens offer was very fair and in line with the market. This is why teams don't want to engage with him. BUT, Lamar has every right to ask for it and with his history of injuries he is justified in seeking the fully guaranteed amount.
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YouTube announced Sunday Ticket pricing, and it’s ridiculous.
YouTube TV subscribers:
• $349/season ($249 if you purchase before June 6)
• $389 ($289 early) if you bundle with RedZone
Non-YouTube TV subscribers:
• $449/season ($349 early)
• $489 ($389 early) with RedZone
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YouTube announced Sunday Ticket pricing, and it’s ridiculous.
YouTube TV subscribers:
• $349/season ($249 if you purchase before June 6)
• $389 ($289 early) if you bundle with RedZone
Non-YouTube TV subscribers:
• $449/season ($349 early)
• $489 ($389 early) with RedZone
What were you expecting?
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What were you expecting?
$250ish, sub $300 for sure.
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As an out of market packers fan i may need to get it this year.
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$250ish, sub $300 for sure.
Didn't you say that it's $249 if you sign up early?
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Didn't you say that it's $249 if you sign up early?
If you're a YTTV subscriber, and purchase before June 6th, yes.
I think what YTTV is severely missing is that DTV subscribers (like me) were getting the ticket for free forever. Now, that doesn't mean I'm not willing to pay for the Ticket on YTTV (I am), but DTV's price was around $250 each year. I'm on a bunch of text threads right now with friends who aren't YTTV subscribers, and the $350 cost (if we buy early) is still a little rich.
Will the stream hold up? Will the game delay be on par with DTV Sunday Ticket (especially if you're live betting)? Need to see the interface and what mix options are available.
I'm very much what their target market should be, and I don't think I'm cheap and don't mind paying for quality, but this seems priced out of the gate too high for my liking.
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YouTube announced Sunday Ticket pricing, and it’s ridiculous.
YouTube TV subscribers:
• $349/season ($249 if you purchase before June 6)
• $389 ($289 early) if you bundle with RedZone
Non-YouTube TV subscribers:
• $449/season ($349 early)
• $489 ($389 early) with RedZone
The pricing is fine. The lack of single team and./or single game options is what's ridiculous.
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https://www.mlive.com/lions/2023/04/lions-reportedly-trade-jeff-okudah-to-falcons-for-fifth-round-pick.html
Solid return on a former #3 overall.
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https://www.mlive.com/lions/2023/04/lions-reportedly-trade-jeff-okudah-to-falcons-for-fifth-round-pick.html
Solid return on a former #3 overall.
So they will go CB on their 1st pick? What do they do if 4 QBs go ahead of them and either Carter or Anderson is still on the board?
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They have used free agency to fill their secondary.
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/3/6/23626274/2023-detroit-lions-free-agency-offseason-tracker-latest-signings-trades
IMO, Carter at 6 and a DB at 18. But, Holmes and Campbell have shown a willingness to wheel and deal. So, anybody who claims to know is lying. 5 picks in the first 81 and 9 overall this year gives them a lot to bargain with.
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They have used free agency to fill their secondary.
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/3/6/23626274/2023-detroit-lions-free-agency-offseason-tracker-latest-signings-trades
IMO, Carter at 6 and a DB at 18. But, Holmes and Campbell have shown a willingness to wheel and deal. So, anybody who claims to know is lying. 5 picks in the first 81 and 9 overall this year gives them a lot to bargain with.
It wouldn't have surprised me at all if Detroit went with a corner before trading Okudah, and now I wonder if it's more likely to happen than not. Gardner-Johnson is a slot/safety, ideally not a guy you want outside and both he and Mosely signed only 1-year deals. Nothing they did in FA should preclude them from looking to shore up the position long term.
Carter? Maybe. I don't know if he slips past 5, whether it be Seattle or someone like Philly moving up for him. But even if he's there, given all we've heard about him during the draft process, he doesn't seem like a Dan Campbell kind of player.
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https://www.mlive.com/lions/2023/04/lions-reportedly-trade-jeff-okudah-to-falcons-for-fifth-round-pick.html
Solid return on a former #3 overall.
Wow. Because I don't follow the Lions at all, I didn't know Okudah was a bust. That's crazy.
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I mentioned this earlier, the latency issue is going to be a huge problem for many (if you don’t bet or play fantasy, you probably won’t care).
From the Super Bowl, measured latency with YTTV was 54 seconds from real time. DTV Sunday Ticket averaged about 27 seconds for 2022 as a whole.
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As an out of market packers fan i may need to get it this year.
Is this really they year you want to spend that money on the Pack? ;)
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Looks like a group featuring 76ers owner Josh Harris and Magic Johnson may soon own the Washington Football Team, at a cost of about $6 billion.
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Looks like a group featuring 76ers owner Josh Harris and Magic Johnson may soon own the Washington Football Team, at a cost of about $6 billion.
Good day for Commanders fans and the NFL
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Good day for Commanders fans and the NFL
More like Liberation Day for Commanders fans
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Looks like a group featuring 76ers owner Josh Harris and Magic Johnson may soon own the Washington Football Team, at a cost of about $6 billion.
Dan Synder bought the Skins for 800 million, believe in 1999. Not a bad investment, 5.2 billion profit.
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Dan Synder bought the Skins for 800 million, believe in 1999. Not a bad investment, 5.2 billion profit.
He probably spent 5.2 billion in fines, though
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He probably spent 5.2 billion in fines, though
10 million fines.
Guy was a jerk and hated in the ranks. Demands on coaches led to a bunch of hirings/firings. Fed Ex Field had minimum upgrades, but practice facilities in Virginia are very nice and up to date. Hope new owners leave GM and coaches to do their jobs. Attached is a timeline, crazy.
https://wjla.com/sports/washington-commanders/dan-snyder-sell-sold-nfl-timeline-tanya-redskins-fedex-field-norv-turner-ron-rivera-house-committee-sexual-assault-workplace-misconduct-nfc-east-landover-spurrier-rg3-gibbs-ashburn-eagles-giants-cowboys-josh-harris-magic-johnson-mitchell-rales#
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10 million fines.
Guy was a jerk and hated in the ranks. Demands on coaches led to a bunch of hirings/firings. Fed Ex Field had minimum upgrades, but practice facilities in Virginia are very nice and up to date. Hope new owners leave GM and coaches to do their jobs. Attached is a timeline, crazy.
https://wjla.com/sports/washington-commanders/dan-snyder-sell-sold-nfl-timeline-tanya-redskins-fedex-field-norv-turner-ron-rivera-house-committee-sexual-assault-workplace-misconduct-nfc-east-landover-spurrier-rg3-gibbs-ashburn-eagles-giants-cowboys-josh-harris-magic-johnson-mitchell-rales#
Just a remarkable case study of the mindless set it and forget it investment bonanza that is owning an NFL team. Terrible owner, terrible person, bad stadium, scandal, only 5 playoff appearances and a single post season victory in nearly 25 years of ownership and he’s making like 6x on a nearly 9 figure investment. Wild
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Just a remarkable case study of the mindless set it and forget it investment bonanza that is owning an NFL team. Terrible owner, terrible person, bad stadium, scandal, only 5 playoff appearances and a single post season victory in nearly 25 years of ownership and he’s making like 6x on a nearly 9 figure investment. Wild
Given how terribly run the organization was in really all facets (Football operation, business operation, PR/marketing, culture, etc) it's a miracle that Snyder Communications was successful enough to allow Dan the ability to purchase the team in the first place.
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Kendall, Shiv and Roman would have paid $10B!
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Couple quick hitters that I like related to the draft:
Wright, first OL to be drafted +650 on FD
I grabbed this at +1200 on DK last week. Still some value here, and I think this will lose value by the end of this week.
Lions 1st pick, QB, +1000 on DK
I love this one, I’m surprised it’s still at this number. Lions probably won’t be in this position again anytime soon, Goff can come off the books at $5 M dead cap next offseason. Lions can move forward with a young QB on his rookie deal to avoid the future cap problems coming their way.
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Lions 1st pick, QB, +1000 on DK
I love this one, I’m surprised it’s still at this number. Lions probably won’t be in this position again anytime soon, Goff can come off the books at $5 M dead cap next offseason. Lions can move forward with a young QB on his rookie deal to avoid the future cap problems coming their way.
Judging by what's being forecast now, the Lions would have to trade up to draft a QB. Many prognosticators say QBs will go 1, 2, 3, 4. Or if one of those passed, the last QB wouldn't get past Seattle at #5.
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Judging by what's being forecast now, the Lions would have to trade up to draft a QB. Many prognosticators say QBs will go 1, 2, 3, 4. Or if one of those passed, the last QB wouldn't get past Seattle at #5.
Yes, and I believe they will.
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Yes, and I believe they will.
Which explains why you placed the bet. Good luck!
FWIW, the general feeling here is that the Panthers are back on the Young bandwagon after supposedly leaning toward Stroud for a little while. Unless it's all a smokescreen to try to get Houston to trade up for #1.
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Couple quick hitters that I like related to the draft:
Wright, first OL to be drafted +650 on FD
I grabbed this at +1200 on DK last week. Still some value here, and I think this will lose value by the end of this week.
Lions 1st pick, QB, +1000 on DK
I love this one, I’m surprised it’s still at this number. Lions probably won’t be in this position again anytime soon, Goff can come off the books at $5 M dead cap next offseason. Lions can move forward with a young QB on his rookie deal to avoid the future cap problems coming their way.
As a resident of the Detroit area there is zero talk of the lions drafting a QB with their first pick. There’s whispers that they could draft one at 18, or whatever their second pick is, but even that is an unpopular idea. The hope is for Will Anderson to be there at 6 and then maybe one of the corners at 18
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Dorian Thompson-Robinson in the second round.
Detroit hosted Carter last week.
Holmes has shown a willingness to trade. Detroit needs an interior defensive lineman and a corner. Assuming no trades (not a safe assumption), the prevailing wisdom is that those two needs will be addressed in the first round.
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Would love to be a fly on the wall in Lamar Jackson's camp with this Hurts deal being announced.
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Dorian Thompson-Robinson in the second round.
Detroit hosted Carter last week.
Holmes has shown a willingness to trade. Detroit needs an interior defensive lineman and a corner. Assuming no trades (not a safe assumption), the prevailing wisdom is that those two needs will be addressed in the first round.
Lions have done a lot of work on Purdue's Aidan O'Connell, fwiw. Not a first and perhaps not a second-day guy, but has some developmental potential.
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Lions have done a lot of work on Purdue's Aidan O'Connell, fwiw. Not a first and perhaps not a second-day guy, but has some developmental potential.
He will be 25 come the start of the NFL season. O'Connell looks like a back-up/QB room/locker room guy.
The fact they are doing a lot of work on him shows the Lions are pretty committed to Goff in the near term. I think that's a good move too. The NFC is weak. Put as much talent around Goff as possible.
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I had meant to include Tyree Wilson as the first defensive player selected, but that number is plummeting by the hour, now down to +340, it was +900 over the weekend.
Will Anderson could have an interesting night next Thursday, I’m curious if he does fall where he goes.
I also like Zay Flowers to be the first WR taken at +400.
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Would love to be a fly on the wall in Lamar Jackson's camp with this Hurts deal being announced.
Lamar's camp = Lamar's mom.
I'd guess this will help move him off his fully-guaranteed stance. But who knows.
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I had meant to include Tyree Wilson as the first defensive player selected, but that number is plummeting by the hour, now down to +340, it was +900 over the weekend.
Will Anderson could have an interesting night next Thursday, I’m curious if he does fall where he goes.
I'd say there's almost no chance he gets past Seattle. Just the kind of pass rusher Pete Carroll loves (see: Chris Clemons, Bruce Irvin, Frank Clark).
That aside, there's smoke that Houston likes him more than Stroud.
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I had meant to include Tyree Wilson as the first defensive player selected, but that number is plummeting by the hour, now down to +340, it was +900 over the weekend.
Will Anderson could have an interesting night next Thursday, I’m curious if he does fall where he goes.
I also like Zay Flowers to be the first WR taken at +400.
These are all nice lotto tickets but if you've bought them wide and they've tightened I'd sell
would be shocked if Wright goes above Paris Johnson Jr. with 36 inch arms and proven LT success plus time spent on the inside. I guess Bears might be looking for RT and that would be first off board? but i could see them trading back instead, Poles is savvy
Tyree Wilson is 1.3 years older than Anderson and didn't produce til late in college, whoever takes him over Anderson should be fired. I get that he's a freak but older guys that blow up late are red flags to me
Zay same thing, will be a 23 year old rookie with no catch radius, would be shocked if he went ahead of 21 year olds JSN & Addison. Youth at receiver is a premium like the NBA draft
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The assumption among "experts" both nationally and in Charlotte is now that the Panthers will be drafting Young. I like that because I think he's the best QB in this draft -- and if you're gonna trade the farm, you might as well get the best.
In addition to Young's obvious talent, there was an interesting article today in The Athletic about Young getting a near-perfect score on the S2 Cognition test, which measures the split-second processing of information and decision-making.
https://theathletic.com/4430449/2023/04/20/panthers-nfl-draft-bryce-young-s2-test/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=6642013
From the article:
Young notched a near-perfect 98 (out of 99), while Kentucky’s Will Levis scored a 93, a person with direct knowledge confirmed to The Athletic. Those scores measure up well with several successful current or former NFL quarterbacks. Joe Burrow scored in the 97th percentile, while The Athletic’s Matt Barrows reported in an in-depth piece on S2 Cognition test in February that former Saints QB Drew Brees, along with Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen all scored in the mid-90s.
The S2 researchers last year studied the scores of the 117 quarterbacks who had taken the test through the 2022 draft. The group included Brees before he retired (the Saints were the first NFL team to have their players tested) and the Vikings’ Kirk Cousins, who reached out to S2 and requested to take it. The average score for the quarterbacks was the 68th percentile, compared to the 50th percentile across all positions.
Researchers then narrowed the subset to 27 starting quarterbacks from the 2021 NFL season that S2 had scores on. The company found that the 13 starters with career passer ratings of 90 or above scored in the 91st percentile. The 14 QBs with passer ratings below 90 scored in the 51st percentile (with range from 8 to 90).
Pretty fascinating stuff IMHO.
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The assumption among "experts" both nationally and in Charlotte is now that the Panthers will be drafting Young. I like that because I think he's the best QB in this draft -- and if you're gonna trade the farm, you might as well get the best.
In addition to Young's obvious talent, there was an interesting article today in The Athletic about Young getting a near-perfect score on the S2 Cognition test, which measures the split-second processing of information and decision-making.
https://theathletic.com/4430449/2023/04/20/panthers-nfl-draft-bryce-young-s2-test/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=6642013
From the article:
Young notched a near-perfect 98 (out of 99), while Kentucky’s Will Levis scored a 93, a person with direct knowledge confirmed to The Athletic. Those scores measure up well with several successful current or former NFL quarterbacks. Joe Burrow scored in the 97th percentile, while The Athletic’s Matt Barrows reported in an in-depth piece on S2 Cognition test in February that former Saints QB Drew Brees, along with Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen all scored in the mid-90s.
The S2 researchers last year studied the scores of the 117 quarterbacks who had taken the test through the 2022 draft. The group included Brees before he retired (the Saints were the first NFL team to have their players tested) and the Vikings’ Kirk Cousins, who reached out to S2 and requested to take it. The average score for the quarterbacks was the 68th percentile, compared to the 50th percentile across all positions.
Researchers then narrowed the subset to 27 starting quarterbacks from the 2021 NFL season that S2 had scores on. The company found that the 13 starters with career passer ratings of 90 or above scored in the 91st percentile. The 14 QBs with passer ratings below 90 scored in the 51st percentile (with range from 8 to 90).
Pretty fascinating stuff IMHO.
What’s his darkness retreat ratio?
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Tyree Wilson is 1.3 years older than Anderson and didn't produce til late in college, whoever takes him over Anderson should be fired. I get that he's a freak but older guys that blow up late are red flags to me
The other thing really working against Wilson is that he hasn't tested yet, and may not be able to before next week. For a guy whose selling point is traits over production, any team in the top 10 is taking a pretty large gamble picking him without knowing his workout numbers.
Some traits-focused front office may still take that risk, but it's a potential job-killer if they're wrong.
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From FD:
Lions to pick Richardson at 6/Porter Jr. at 18. +4200
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From FD:
Lions to pick Richardson at 6/Porter Jr. at 18. +4200
If they have a chance to pick Richardson at 6, that’s not a terrible pick IMO. I’d rather trade out to a QB desperate team, though and add more picks
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And now 4 Lions are suspended a year over gambling including Jameson Williams
Edit: Williams and Stanley Berryhill for 6 games. Quintez Cepheus, Badgers legend, gets a year
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And now 4 Lions are suspended a year over gambling including Jameson Williams
Edit: Williams and Stanley Berryhill for 6 games. Quintez Cepheus, Badgers legend, gets a year
According to Williams' agent, he was suspended because he made an otherwise allowable online bet while on team property.
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According to Williams' agent, he was suspended because he made an otherwise allowable online bet while on team property.
Good. Last thing the NFL wants to be associated with is gambling, sex or alcohol
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If what's being reported about CJ Stroud's s2 results is accurate ... oof..
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Detroit's draft plans just got shuffled.
Old school... Alex Karras was suspended along with Paul Hornung 60 years ago.
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The Will Levis movement has been crazy (I say this as someone who has been sitting on Levis to go #1 overall futures at 25:1 from last September).
He was +5000 to go #1 overall last night. He’s now at +400.
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The Will Levis movement has been crazy (I say this as someone who has been sitting on Levis to go #1 overall futures at 25:1 from last September).
He was +5000 to go #1 overall last night. He’s now at +400.
I wouldn't make that bet.
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I wouldn't make that bet.
Maybe not with your money, but it sounds like there is some real smoke you're about to make that bet with your sundays for the foreseeable future ;D
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The Will Levis movement has been crazy (I say this as someone who has been sitting on Levis to go #1 overall futures at 25:1 from last September).
He was +5000 to go #1 overall last night. He’s now at +400.
All based on a Reddit rumor.
Remembering fondly that time last April when the oddsmakers had Malik Willis as the favorite to go #2 overall to the Lions. He came off the board 84 picks later.
I don't think Levis falls like that, of course, and I do put some credence in the smoke surrounding him and Indy. But the wild swings in the betting markets surrounding this draft is more a testament to the idea that nobody knows nothing than anything else.
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The Will Levis movement has been crazy (I say this as someone who has been sitting on Levis to go #1 overall futures at 25:1 from last September).
He was +5000 to go #1 overall last night. He’s now at +400.
Sell! Close that out and take gains you made a great bet last year need to monetize it before it turns to a zero
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I’ll throw this out there to everybody…
Who do you think your team will take? Who do you want them to take?
I’ll go with I think the Bears take Jaxon Smith Njigba (my thought is the Bears want Carter/Anderson/Johnson or Wilson, and all 4 are gone by 9).
I want the Bears to take Christian Gonzalez, I think he’s as clean a prospect in the draft, they need help everywhere, and I just can’t take Bijan at 9 (as good as he may be).
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I’ll throw this out there to everybody…
Who do you think your team will take? Who do you want them to take?
I’ll go with I think the Bears take Jaxon Smith Njigba (my thought is the Bears want Carter/Anderson/Johnson or Wilson, and all 4 are gone by 9).
I want the Bears to take Christian Gonzalez, I think he’s as clean a prospect in the draft, they need help everywhere, and I just can’t take Bijan at 9 (as good as he may be).
I think the Packers take an offensive lineman such as Darnell Wright from Tennessee
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I’ll throw this out there to everybody…
Who do you think your team will take? Who do you want them to take?
I’ll go with I think the Bears take Jaxon Smith Njigba (my thought is the Bears want Carter/Anderson/Johnson or Wilson, and all 4 are gone by 9).
I want the Bears to take Christian Gonzalez, I think he’s as clean a prospect in the draft, they need help everywhere, and I just can’t take Bijan at 9 (as good as he may be).
JSN to the Bears would be a stunner, given that they have a respectable WR room and huge needs almost everywhere else.
I'm a (gulp) Raiders fan.
Among the realistic options ...
Want: Devon Witherspoon or Christian Gonzalez
They'll take: Tyree Wilson, Devon Witherspoon or Christian Gonzalez
I think that after the first pick, nobody knows nothing about what's going to happen tomorrow night. But I can guarantee that every GM will get the number one guy on their board when their pick came up.
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I think Bears take Carter if available.
If not, 50/50 between best OL or trade down
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JSN to the Bears would be a stunner, given that they have a respectable WR room and huge needs almost everywhere else.
I'm a (gulp) Raiders fan.
Among the realistic options ...
Want: Devon Witherspoon or Christian Gonzalez
They'll take: Tyree Wilson, Devon Witherspoon or Christian Gonzalez
I think that after the first pick, nobody knows nothing about what's going to happen tomorrow night. But I can guarantee that every GM will get the number one guy on their board when their pick came up.
I’m with you that this is going to be a totally unpredictable draft. I usually trust Daniel Jeremiah, and he has JSN going at 19, and Zay Flowers at 11 (one of my pre-draft lotto ticket wagers is Flowers to be the first wideout drafted). Should be a pretty wild Thursday night.
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I’ll throw this out there to everybody…
Who do you think your team will take? Who do you want them to take?
Mine’s easy!
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I think Bears take Carter if available.
If not, 50/50 between best OL or trade down
Agree....but I am more 80% trade down if he isn't.
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As much as I’d like to will Detroit to take a QB, if both Schrager & Jeremiah are saying Witherspoon is going to be their pick at 6, probably pretty accurate at this point.
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I doubt Detroit takes a QB at 6. They are all in on Goff, for now. Corner at 6, d-line at 18. Tight end and/or tall WR in round 2.
I can see them drafting a QB in round 2 if one slips.
With all of those picks, trades are on the table and all projections will get tossed.
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I think the Packers take an offensive lineman such as Darnell Wright from Tennessee
Broderick Jones. They need more Bulldogs.
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I’m with you that this is going to be a totally unpredictable draft. I usually trust Daniel Jeremiah, and he has JSN going at 19, and Zay Flowers at 11 (one of my pre-draft lotto ticket wagers is Flowers to be the first wideout drafted). Should be a pretty wild Thursday night.
JSN won't make it past 13... unless they can' trade down and he is available.
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I'm with Hards for GB, Broderick Jones, tackle, Georgia
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I'm with Hards for GB, Broderick Jones, tackle, Georgia
I can see that
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Skoronski if he's still on the board. They're ready to jettison #69, hey?
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Skoronski if he's still on the board. They're ready to jettison #69, hey?
Some people think Skoronski could move inside. If they’re projecting him like that, I’d think they’d take more of a pure T to replace 69.
Skoronski’s grandfather played for the Packers, yeah know, eh
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Didant ewe go ta high school wit Ron, hey?
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More lotto tickets for tonight:
Raiders to draft Richardson +1200
Parlay on FD to be 1st round picks: Gibbs, Mazi Smith, Jack Campbell, Bergeron +2525
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Lamar got paid
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Lamar got paid
$185M guaranteed. Do you think an agent could have gotten him the $230M guarantee that Watson got?
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Lamar got paid
Good for Lamar, truly. Really like him as a genuine sort of dude and he’s been a joy to watch. The $1MM per year more than Hurts is hilarious NFL contract pettiness.
$185M guaranteed. Do you think an agent could have gotten him the $230M guarantee that Watson got?
No, cause there is only one organization as moronic as the Browns
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The $1MM per year more than Hurts is hilarious NFL contract pettiness.
I thought this too. They fought each other in public and in private for months, almost burned the org down over it, and then just took the Hurts contract, scrawled +1 on it with a sharpie, and called it good.
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Hopkins/#3 possibly going to Titans for a slew of picks.
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Odds have shifted significantly indicating Stroud going 2nd overall
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What an awful trade by Houston.
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What an awful trade by Houston.
They have a lot of draft capital
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Pull those colts Trent Richardson jerseys from the back of the closet
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Not a good night for Detroit.
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Not a good night for Detroit.
Lol, why?
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What an awful trade by Houston.
Is Bill OBrien back?
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Wanted Anderson or Witherspoon. Trading out of 6.
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Not a good night for Detroit.
Detroit has like 8 picks in top 50
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Wanted Anderson or Witherspoon. Trading out of 6.
Good trade for them
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That’s a great trade for Detroit.
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We'll see. The two they really wanted were gone, so they made lemonade.
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I both get Robinson to Atlanta and don’t. Their run game has been plug and play since Arthur Smith got there, and obviously taking a RB in the top 10 is a big swing.
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Poles must be okay with not getting Jalen Carter
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Poles must be okay with not getting Jalen Carter
Did they trade down?
Edit - see they swapped with Philly
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Did they trade down?
Correct. Swapped with Philly.
I suppose that actually means Poles/Bears had no interest in Carter
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We'll see. The two they really wanted were gone, so they made lemonade.
They have 5 picks in the top 55 now
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Bears select Darnell Wright.
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Bears select Darnell Wright.
Analysis?
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Hate what the Bears just did. Carter drops to them and they let him go for a future 4th rounder? Really?
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Analysis?
I hope he’s good. I’m by no means a Wright expert, some think he’s the best o-lineman in the draft. Certainly a position of need.
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Analysis?
Some smoke the Packers really liked him at 13.
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Hate what the Bears just did. Carter drops to them and they let him go for a future 4th rounder? Really?
If they weren't gonna take Carter, might as well get something outta the pick if you can still get the guy you do want
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Lions….wow, that’s some pick.
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We'll see. The two they really wanted were gone, so they made lemonade.
Ok, I hate that pick for the Lions
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Trading down to take Gibbs is interesting (not in a good way).
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If they weren't gonna take Carter, might as well get something outta the pick if you can still get the guy you do want
A stud OT and a 4th vs a boom or bust guy is a good move, IMO. especially when the Bears absolutely couldn't F up their 1st pick.
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Agree with PFT, if the Lions are taking Gibbs at 12, why not just take Robinson at 6?
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Trading down to take Gibbs is interesting (not in a good way).
Yep, more in a strange way.
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Lions and Packers woof
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Agree with PFT, if the Lions are taking Gibbs at 12, why not just take Robinson at 6?
I think they probably like the Gibbs versatility, but even more so…he was still gonna be around in another 10-12 picks too
Thrilled the Bears didn’t get Skoronski after he was non existent on camera. Blah blah enjoy it with your family, but that’s just lame. At least Joe Thomas went fishing instead of some crusty Portage Park pizza joint
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Anytime you have a young RB, then sign another veteran back in free agency with a $11 M guaranteed, you gotta draft another RB at 12.
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I think they probably like the Gibbs versatility, but even more so…he was still gonna be around in another 10-12 picks too
Thrilled the Bears didn’t get Skoronski after he was non existent on camera. Blah blah enjoy it with your family, but that’s just lame. At least Joe Thomas went fishing instead of some crusty Portage Park pizza joint
They still write about Joe Thomas every April in the Journal Sentinel. SMDH
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Van Ness looks like quite the DB
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I think Anderson and Witherspoon being gone fried Detroit's collective brains. Matt Millen-esque.
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Hate what the Bears just did. Carter drops to them and they let him go for a future 4th rounder? Really?
The Bears not wanting Carter shouldn’t have been a surprise.
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Van Ness looks like quite the DB
Edge actually ;)
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The Bears not wanting Carter shouldn’t have been a surprise.
Nor was Philly wanting him. I agree with Philly.
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Nor was Philly wanting him. I agree with Philly.
No sh*t.
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Will Hooker go before Levis?
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Rodgers furious with the Jets pick according to insiders
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Another nut punch for Detroit with Gonzales going to NE. I can see another trade.
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Another nut punch for Detroit with Gonzales going to NE. I can see another trade.
They could go Banks or Porter
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Rodgers furious with the Jets pick according to insiders
Randall Cobb is available.
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Randall Cobb is available.
Maybe they’ll get him Jake Kumerow
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Another nut punch for Detroit with Gonzales going to NE. I can see another trade.
Can’t believe he was still around at #14 - why didn’t the Lions take him at #12 instead of picking a running back they could have gotten later?
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Rodgers furious with the Jets pick according to insiders
Heard he’s also disgusted the kid beat bone cancer with chemo and surgery, not wholistic medicine and darkness therapy like a real athlete
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Heard he’s also disgusted the kid beat bone cancer with chemo and surgery, not wholistic medicine and darkness therapy like a real athlete
Shambles
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Not a good night for Detroit.
Bump. ILB not a need.
Same old Lions.
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Lions draft grade: F
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Bump. ILB not a need.
Same old Lions.
Campbell is going to wreck dudes with the Lions. He’s good and versatile
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So the bears turned #1 pick into #10 (needed OT), 1/2/2/4/5 and DJ Moore
Seems pretty good
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So the bears turned #1 pick into #10 (needed OT), 1/2/2/4/5 and DJ Moore
Seems pretty good
Gotta hit those early picks and Fields has to be the guy (and I think he is) so I’m happy. We’ll see how it turns out.
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Bijan Robinson Offensive Rookie of the Year +400 on DK.
Opened at +450 a few minutes ago. It’ll be under +250 very quickly, grab it now.
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I thought Levis was going #1?
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The morning after......
Gibbs is seen as a hedge against Swift continuing to be injured and only occasionally productive. And he may be used a little in the slot.
Campbell is seen as a cross between his coach and Chris Spielman.
Holmes/Campbell don't care what what anyone else thinks. And they have a lot more picks.
The other thing that occurs is the Carolina game. After everything had fallen into place and the team was playing well, Carolina ran the ball down their throat. Detroit refused to come out of their 4-2-5 base set. They view Campbell as part of the solution to that.
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The other thing that occurs is the Carolina game. After everything had fallen into place and the team was playing well, Carolina ran the ball down their throat. Detroit refused to come out of their 4-2-5 base set. They view Campbell as part of the solution to that.
Hey, nobody could stop the unstoppable juggernaut that was the 2022 Carolina Panthers.
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The morning after......
Gibbs is seen as a hedge against Swift continuing to be injured and only occasionally productive. And he may be used a little in the slot.
Campbell is seen as a cross between his coach and Chris Spielman.
Holmes/Campbell don't care what what anyone else thinks. And they have a lot more picks.
The other thing that occurs is the Carolina game. After everything had fallen into place and the team was playing well, Carolina ran the ball down their throat. Detroit refused to come out of their 4-2-5 base set. They view Campbell as part of the solution to that.
I think they're both good players who will have solid NFL careers, but both picks were suboptimal use of draft capital.
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I think they're both good players who will have solid NFL careers, but both picks were suboptimal use of draft capital.
The talk before the draft was most teams had 15 or so first round graded players. I think Tower is right, once Witherspoon and Anderson were off the board, they pivoted and picked the players they had graded highest at the time of each pick.
Gibbs can be a dynamic player if used correctly and I think Campbell is a 10-year player that’s very productive
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So the bears turned #1 pick into #10 (needed OT), 1/2/2/4/5 and DJ Moore
Seems pretty good
Unless he's the next Lane Johnson, a top 10 pick is a high price to pay for a right tackle.
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The Will Levis movement has been crazy (I say this as someone who has been sitting on Levis to go #1 overall futures at 25:1 from last September).
He was +5000 to go #1 overall last night. He’s now at +400.
According to reports, Levis didn't go #1 overall.
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Hey, nobody could stop the unstoppable juggernaut that was the 2022 Carolina Panthers.
Incorrect, the 2022 Carolina Panthers could stop them.
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Incorrect, the 2022 Carolina Panthers could stop them.
True. And they did a hell of a job!
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Unless he's the next Lane Johnson, a top 10 pick is a high price to pay for a right tackle.
Jimbo Covert says hi
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According to reports, Levis didn't go #1 overall.
Word is no one showed up to his birthday party.
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Word is no one showed up to his birthday party.
This made me laugh. What a dogcrap movie that was.... which I have still watched parts of when its on TV no fewer than 3x.
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Jimbo Covert says hi
Covert played the left side. Van Horne played the right.
Tell Jimbo hi back.
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Covert played the left side. Van Horne played the right.
Tell Jimbo hi back.
Picked 11th (not quite in your erudite subjective Top 10) but the point is, the last time the Bears were good, they used top picks on their offensive tackles. In this case, to protect their generational (debatable) QB. Hardly wasted.
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Covert played the left side. Van Horne played the right.
Tell Jimbo hi back.
Well, Justin Fields often had his back facing the left side of the line this year, so his point stands :)
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A pick literally at #10 being too high to take a right tackle is certainly a take.
They had a clear need at a lot of spots, but especially right tackle. They picked up a 4th, and got a pretty clean prospect. Will Anderson said Wright was the best o-lineman he went up against. It may not be sexy, and we’ll wait to see, but I have a really hard time overall criticizing the spot/selection.
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This made me laugh. What a dogcrap movie that was.... which I have still watched parts of when its on TV no fewer than 3x.
I don't know, "pancake eating motherf*cker" is still one of my favorite movie insults.
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A pick literally at #10 being too high to take a right tackle is certainly a take.
They had a clear need at a lot of spots, but especially right tackle. They picked up a 4th, and got a pretty clean prospect. Will Anderson said Wright was the best o-lineman he went up against. It may not be sexy, and we’ll wait to see, but I have a really hard time overall criticizing the spot/selection.
This clearly isn't what I wrote, Dish.
Ultimately, the Bears used a premium pick on a non-premium position. Which is OK if Wright becomes elite at the position (hence my mention of Lane Johnson). The same would be true if they drafted Skoronski and moved him to guard.
But they passed on using the pick to fill needs at more important spots (three-technique, edge, CB, LT), which certainly is a choice.
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This clearly isn't what I wrote, Dish.
Ultimately, the Bears used a premium pick on a non-premium position. Which is OK if Wright becomes elite at the position (hence my mention of Lane Johnson). The same would be true if they drafted Skoronski and moved him to guard.
But they passed on using the pick to fill needs at more important spots (three-technique, edge, CB, LT), which certainly is a choice.
There's a case to be made that simply OT should be listed as a premium position given how many of the premier edge rushers in the league primarily play off the left side of the defense.
Just off the top of my head, TJ Watt, Reddick, Hutchinson, Crosby are all left edge guys going against RTs. Others like Bosa, Garnett, and Judon move around a lot on passing downs to take advantage of matchups.
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A pick literally at #10 being too high to take a right tackle is certainly a take.
They had a clear need at a lot of spots, but especially right tackle. They picked up a 4th, and got a pretty clean prospect. Will Anderson said Wright was the best o-lineman he went up against. It may not be sexy, and we’ll wait to see, but I have a really hard time overall criticizing the spot/selection.
To me splitting hairs re whether his position merits a top 10 pick is beside the point. They had a chance at #9 to take a guy who very well may be the best player in the draft, a guy who one month ago would have been the first non QB taken. Instead they took a guy a lot of people think is the 4th best offensive tackle in the draft. Fortune favors the brave - the Bears were anything but.
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To me splitting hairs re whether his position merits a top 10 pick is beside the point. They had a chance at #9 to take a guy who very well may be the best player in the draft, a guy who one month ago would have been the first non QB taken. Instead they took a guy a lot of people think is the 4th best offensive tackle in the draft. Fortune favors the brave - the Bears were anything but.
Teams believe in their own draft grades. If they believe that Wright's the best option at OT, taking him at #10 isn't a bad idea by any stretch. OT's are routinely taken in the top 10 of the draft - three of them just last year.
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Teams believe in their own draft grades. If they believe that Wright's the best option at OT, taking him at #10 isn't a bad idea by any stretch. OT's are routinely taken in the top 10 of the draft - three of them just last year.
I agree. As I said, to me it’s splitting hairs over whether an OT is worth a top 10 pick. I just think that when maybe the best player in the draft falls to you at #9 AND he fills a position of need you take him.
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I agree. As I said, to me it’s splitting hairs over whether an OT is worth a top 10 pick. I just think that when maybe the best player in the draft falls to you at #9 AND he fills a position of need you take him.
But you have to acknowledge the red flags. I don't know enough to know how that impacted their thinking.
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There's a case to be made that simply OT should be listed as a premium position given how many of the premier edge rushers in the league primarily play off the left side of the defense.
Just off the top of my head, TJ Watt, Reddick, Hutchinson, Crosby are all left edge guys going against RTs. Others like Bosa, Garnett, and Judon move around a lot on passing downs to take advantage of matchups.
I think this is a fair point. But on the other hand, unless you're the Dolphins, your LT is still protecting the QB's blindside, and that still counts for something. Not to mention, it's often easier to give your RT help with a tight end or back.
Teams tell us the importance of LT vs RT simply by how they pay them. Though the gap has narrowed over the past decade, left tackles still get paid way more. Last year, the mean salary for the 10 highest-paid left tackles was $16.3 million. For right tackles, it was $9.2 million.
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This clearly isn't what I wrote, Dish.
Ultimately, the Bears used a premium pick on a non-premium position. Which is OK if Wright becomes elite at the position (hence my mention of Lane Johnson). The same would be true if they drafted Skoronski and moved him to guard.
But they passed on using the pick to fill needs at more important spots (three-technique, edge, CB, LT), which certainly is a choice.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think teams see as big of a difference between the value of LT vs. RT as they had previously. As one of the other posters mentioned. some of the best d-lineman in the game are lining up across from the RT. Poles also spoke of his versatility and being able to play LT, as well.
As far as the other spots, they clearly weren't going to draft Carter so I don't think there was a 3-technique that made sense at 10 from a value perspective. Same goes for defensive end. Gonzalez was available at CB and I had seen him in fair amount of mocks in the top 10 but he did slip a bit to 17. I just have a hard time thinking drafting a Gonzalez, Van Ness or Kancey would be made much more sense from a value perspective because of their positions.
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I agree. As I said, to me it’s splitting hairs over whether an OT is worth a top 10 pick. I just think that when maybe the best player in the draft falls to you at #9 AND he fills a position of need you take him.
Every other team in the top 9 passed on Carter as well, which says something. Clearly there is a lot of risk with him from a character and decision-making standpoint and it certainly didn't sound like his coaches raved about his work ethic or love of the game. It was pretty clear he wasn't a fit for the Bears from that perspective. Philadelphia is also in a much better place to take a chance on him considering the talent and leadership they already have in place on the team. That's not something the Bears have at this point. Maybe passing on him turns out to be a big mistake but he's not a sure thing.
Additionally, I saw a number of rankings that had Wright as the 1st or 2nd ranked tackle in the draft .
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Every other team in the top 9 passed on Carter as well. which says something. Clearly there is a lot of risk with him from a character and decision-making standpoint and it certainly didn't sound like his coaches raved about his work ethic or love of the game. It was pretty clear he wasn't a fit for the Bears from that perspective. Philadelphia is also in a much better place to take a chance on him considering the talent and leadership they already have in place on the team. That's not something the Bears have at this point. Maybe passing on him turns out to be a big mistake but he's not a sure thing.
Additionally, I saw a number of rankings that had Wright as the 1st or 2nd ranked tackle in the draft .
Agree with this.
Taking legal issues completely out of the equation, there are significant issues that moved the guy down the board. Plus Mel's Big Board from March is about as accurate as Bracketology in June.
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But you have to acknowledge the red flags. I don't know enough to know how that impacted their thinking.
This is true. And maybe the red flags will turn out to be well founded. And Philly was certainly in a better position than the Bears to swing for the fences rather than playing it safe. Time will tell, but I like Philly’s move.
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This is true. And maybe the red flags will turn out to be well founded. And Philly was certainly in a better position than the Bears to swing for the fences rather than playing it safe. Time will tell, but I like Philly’s move.
I think your thoughts on this are correct. If the Bears had a modicum of success and people in charge with a proven track record, you can take a chance on Carter
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Who drafts Levis? I predict the Rams.
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Who drafts Levis? I predict the Rams.
Raiders
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Always smart to use the military as props. Sports should stay out of politics
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I always had mixed feelings about being used as a prop.
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How hard is it to play in the secondary in the Big Ten?
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Phew. Now Detroit won't be tempted. But they can still be stupid.
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LaPorta over Mayer
Will be fascinating to watch that play out. LaPorta carried one of the worst offenses in colleges
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This is true. And maybe the red flags will turn out to be well founded. And Philly was certainly in a better position than the Bears to swing for the fences rather than playing it safe. Time will tell, but I like Philly’s move.
Justin Gilbert is the comp in my book.
But time will tell
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Who drafts Levis? I predict the Rams.
Titans
Poor Malik
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Packers took a TE despite the scoop boomers mope squad bemoaning the 1st round pick
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Lions and Packers trade!
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Lions gets Brian Branch. Great value at 45
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Finally.
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Barf
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Justin Gilbert is the comp in my book.
But time will tell
Justin Gilbert is the comp for Carter?! Based on what?
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Justin Gilbert is the comp for Carter?! Based on what?
Guy who might not really love football or has poor work ethic that was an early pick
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Always smart to use the military as props. Sports should stay out of politics
They should just have former NFL players from each team ride in on a tank at this point. I don’t know what other tributes they possibly have left to do.
Also, after the NFL played “Born in the USA” last year after a military tribute, this year “Pink Houses” was played. Never change NFL DJ, never change.
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They should just have former NFL players from each team ride in on a tank at this point. I don’t know what other tributes they possibly have left to do.
Someone needs to have sex with the flag
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Packers have picked two tight ends. Hard to believe they found two after the first round.
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Packers have picked two tight ends. Hard to believe they found two after the first round.
Like starting pitching in MLB, you can NEVER have enough tight ends.
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Like starting pitching in MLB, you can NEVER have enough tight ends.
They actually need two but the joke stands correct
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They should just have former NFL players from each team ride in on a tank at this point. I don’t know what other tributes they possibly have left to do.
The Army pays A TON in ads and sponsorship to the NFL directly, not just network ad buys. They pay good money for all of this forced absurdity
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The Army pays A TON in ads and sponsorship to the NFL directly, not just network ad buys. They pay good money for all of this forced absurdity
Oh yeah, I know the armed forces are waist deep in sponsoring the NFL.
Tonight was just absurd with the amount of “stuff” going on.
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Much like Shaka, I think the Lions went with players who fit the culture they are trying to build. Dan Campbell guys. Which is why they would not have taken Carter.
I also think they believe the second half of the season was proof of concept and not a fluke. So guys who weren't completely synced are gone or being shopped. Okudah. Swift.
The first round picks no longer make me nauseous. I like the day 2 picks.
Stay healthy, have some fun.
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Much like Shaka, I think the Lions went with players who fit the culture they are trying to build. Dan Campbell guys. Which is why they would not have taken Carter.
I also think they believe the second half of the season was proof of concept and not a fluke. So guys who weren't completely synced are gone or being shopped. Okudah. Swift.
The first round picks no longer make me nauseous. I like the day 2 picks.
Stay healthy, have some fun.
Agree. The fear of running back selections is overblown by social media/armchair blogger fans. Very few backs are selected to be the workhorse backs of yore like Earl Campbell (Derrick Henry being the exception). If they get 4-5 productive years out of Gibbs as a hybrid back, the pick was worth it.
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Thank God the Bears filled that glaring RB need. Final piece to the puzzle. ::)
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Thank God the Bears filled that glaring RB need. Final piece to the puzzle. ::)
What player did you want in that spot?
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What player did you want in that spot?
OL, Edge, TE even a backup QB would be better.
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Lions are trading D’andre Swift to Philadelphia
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Very few backs are selected to be the workhorse backs of yore like Earl Campbell (Derrick Henry being the exception).
I lived in Houston when Campbell was at his best. In a press conference one day, Bum Phillips was asked if Earl was head and shoulders better than any other running back. “Earl may not be in a class by hisself”, quipped Bum, “but it don’t take long to call the roll!”
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I lived in Houston when Campbell was at his best. In a press conference one day, Bum Phillips was asked if Earl was head and shoulders better than any other running back. “Earl may not be in a class by hisself”, quipped Bum, “but it don’t take long to call the roll!”
Little before my time but love watching the old vids of him
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Lions are trading D’andre Swift to Philadelphia
I figured he was gone after the Gibbs pick. Huge upgrade for Detroit at the RB position.
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Props to the Bengals fan who flipped a coin at the podium before announcing their 4th round pick.
Goodell immediately put a hit out on the guy as he got backstage.
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Packers took their first pick of the 5th round and set it on fire
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This guy doesn't like what the Lions have done.
https://twitter.com/TFG_Football/status/1652158431258656768
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Packers took their first pick of the 5th round and set it on fire
Clifford is a few months older than Jordan Love
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Packers took their first pick of the 5th round and set it on fire
Bizarre pick. Better QB options still available, and a guy who would have been available as an undrafted free agent.
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Bizarre pick. Better QB options still available, and a guy who would have been available as an undrafted free agent.
https://twitter.com/jacobmorley/status/1652380600559366148?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read about a 5th round pick
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Lions are trading D’andre Swift to Philadelphia
If you ever went to Georgia, lived in Georgia or visited Georgia, Howie Roseman will use a draft pick to acquire you.
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https://twitter.com/seancliff14/status/419993775855763457?s=20
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https://twitter.com/jacobmorley/status/1652380600559366148?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read about a 5th round pick
Is this guy a writer for The Onion?
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https://twitter.com/jacobmorley/status/1652380600559366148?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read about a 5th round pick
In that case, perhaps hire him as a coach than burn a 5th rd pick.
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Other than Clifford and Carlson, general consensus is the Packers had a nice draft.
Lions draft largely bashed. Bears draft consensus is they found some starters and core special teams guys in later rounds. Vikings draft seems pedestrian
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How 'bout ur new hommie, da Jets, hey?
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How 'bout ur new hommie, da Jets, hey?
Not a concern. They’re not a serious franchise
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Other than Clifford and Carlson, general consensus is the Packers had a nice draft.
Lions draft largely bashed. Bears draft consensus is they found some starters and core special teams guys in later rounds. Vikings draft seems pedestrian
I thought the Bears did very nicely to get a broad base of talent. Liked just about all of their picks -wouldnt have batted an eye if that were the Packers draft at any point.
I thought the Packers did great - did a Packers type early and then spammed the 'receiver' button throughout without reaching. Different goal than most years
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Bears did well with their trades:
https://twitter.com/PFF_Moo/status/1652446159347019783?t=Y0ormm2RfNlJL3b6b9WInw&s=01
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I thought the Bears did very nicely to get a broad base of talent. Liked just about all of their picks -wouldnt have batted an eye if that were the Packers draft at any point.
I thought the Packers did great - did a Packers type early and then spammed the 'receiver' button throughout without reaching. Different goal than most years
I disagree with most people about Detroit. Gibbs upgrades both the running and the passing game. Campbell addresses a huge need on defense - stopping the run. Laporta and Branch were outstanding 2nd round picks.
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I liked the Packers draft, van Ness at 12-1 for DROY is decent value as well.
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I disagree with most people about Detroit. Gibbs upgrades both the running and the passing game. Campbell addresses a huge need on defense - stopping the run. Laporta and Branch were outstanding 2nd round picks.
If the Lions knew going in they were going to part with Swift, Gibbs makes perfect sense. Or, as I read elsewhere, the Lions first 5 picks were all players they could have taken at 18.
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I disagree with most people about Detroit. Gibbs upgrades both the running and the passing game. Campbell addresses a huge need on defense - stopping the run. Laporta and Branch were outstanding 2nd round picks.
Most of the complaints are about their process, not necessarily the result. The result was that their first 4 picks were as strong as any in the draft.
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The 2020 first round has turned out to be a bit of a dumpster fire.
Three players are out of the league for off-field issues (not including Jeff Gladney, RIP). Three more already are on their second team. And nearly as many 5th-year options (nine) have been declined as picked up (11), with many, if not most, of the undecideds looking like "nos."
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The 2020 first round has turned out to be a bit of a dumpster fire.
Three players are out of the league for off-field issues (not including Jeff Gladney, RIP). Three more already are on their second team. And nearly as many 5th-year options (nine) have been declined as picked up (11), with many, if not most, of the undecideds looking like "nos."
How much of that do you think had to do with COVID and the limits that it put on the scouting process?
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How much of that do you think had to do with COVID and the limits that it put on the scouting process?
Covid cancelled some pro days and 30 visits, but much of the process (games, combine, some workouts) for that class were completed prior to the pandemic. I think the bigger issue is how teams were dealing with the remote working environment and how that impacted their traditional draft prep a month into the pandemic. I think internal dynamics may have been more at play than external evaluations. From a scouting standpoint, I think the talent evaluation of the 21 class would have been much more difficult than the 20 class due to Covid.
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The jets picked a Waukesha north h.s. Grad with 15 th pick out of Iowa st.
He transferred to Waukesha north his sophomore year. He had never played the sport before. Head football coach, Matt Harris convinced him to play. After 2 years, Iowa st offers scholly and now he’s playing with Aaron Rodgers in the big show as a first round draft pick.
https://www.wisn.com/article/new-york-jets-pick-waukesha-north-grad-15th-in-nfl-draft/43744155
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Ratings through the roof:
https://awfulannouncing.com/ratings/nfl-draft-viewership-up-double-digits.html
And 300,000+ people attending the draft in person is why they never will be able to hold it in Green Bay.
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Henry Ruggs III is taking a plea deal, will do 3-10 years.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ex-raiders-receiver-henry-ruggs-iii-to-plead-guilty-in-fatal-las-vegas-dui-crash-that-killed-woman-dog-173055012.html
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Ratings through the roof:
https://awfulannouncing.com/ratings/nfl-draft-viewership-up-double-digits.html
And 300,000+ people attending the draft in person is why they never will be able to hold it in Green Bay.
Didn’t it just snow last week in GB?
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Yesterday. All spring weather seemed so far away. UP's having a snow day. I believe, it snowed yesterday
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Ratings through the roof:
https://awfulannouncing.com/ratings/nfl-draft-viewership-up-double-digits.html
And 300,000+ people attending the draft in person is why they never will be able to hold it in Green Bay.
Those numbers are staggering considering how many people quit watching the woke NFL just a few years ago
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I think Florida passed a law banning the Draft on TV.
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All those men in weird costumes and face paint acting irrationally.
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I think Florida passed a law banning the Draft on TV.
Cancel culture by the government? Sad! Next thing you’ll tell me is they’re interfering with businesses for political reasons
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Those numbers are staggering considering how many people quit watching the woke NFL just a few years ago
And it was sponsored by Bud Light.
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And it was sponsored by Bud Light.
Well, good luck to the NFL surviving this fiasco
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Thank God the Bears filled that glaring RB need. Final piece to the puzzle. ::)
Strange considering the consensus is that pick was a really nice value at that point.
Foreman is signed for one more year and Herbert for two.
Johnson would have started at most DI programs if he hadn’t been backing up the best RB to come into the league in a while. Also excellent in pass protection and special teams.
It’s not like they picked a RB early and if he’s your best player on the board and it’s the 4th round that’s who you take.
The Bears were never going to fix all their problems in one offseason. Yet they’ll still be in good shape cap-wise and have all of their picks, including first rounders, to address DE, C, and other needs next offseason.
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Strange considering the consensus is that pick was a really nice value at that point.
Foreman is signed for one more year and Herbert for two.
Johnson would have started at most DI programs if he hadn’t been backing up the best RB to come into the league in a while. Also excellent in pass protection and special teams.
It’s not like they picked a RB early and if he’s your best player on the board and it’s the 4th round that’s who you take.
The Bears were never going to fix all their problems in one offseason. Yet they’ll still be in good shape cap-wise and have all of their picks, including first rounders, to address DE, C, and other needs next offseason.
All good points. It is painful to remember the Bears have little talent everywhere on the roster and will be lucky to win even 6 games this year. I need to trust the process. ;)
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All good points. It is painful to remember the Bears have little talent everywhere on the roster and will be lucky to win even 6 games this year. I need to trust the process. ;)
I was surprised initially when the pick came up on the screen. I'm not a massive college football fan so once first two rounds are over I have no idea who the vast majority of these dudes are. I just try to read a lot of the analysis on the players the Bears selected after the draft with the current depth chart and needs in mind. I was surprised as anyone there were no edge rushers picked but you can see based on how the first few rounds played out what that may have been the case.
It seems Poles did well but the reality is no one really knows - grading a draft immediately can be fun but it pretty useless.
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Jets ta sign Aaron's buddy, Cobb. Should be one hell of a receivin' group there with Lazard and Cobb. Talk 'bout high maintenance, aina?
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Jets ta sign Aaron's buddy, Cobb. Should be one hell of a receivin' group there with Lazard and Cobb. Talk 'bout high maintenance, aina?
Lazard and Cobb are not high maintenance. They have been classy guys their entire careers.
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Lazard and Cobb are not high maintenance. They have been classy guys their entire careers.
I think he’s referring to 12/8
Imagine signing Cobb on purpose. What does he bring? He hasn’t played a full season in a decade. He’s taking time from younger and probably more productive players. Ridiculous
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The Packers wouldn't give Rodgers the weapons he needed to win, so Rodgers will leave town and...take the weapons the Packers gave him with him.
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I think he’s referring to 12/8
Imagine signing Cobb on purpose. What does he bring? He hasn’t played a full season in a decade. He’s taking time from younger and probably more productive players. Ridiculous
Cobb would help the team more by being a WR coach than a WR.
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How not to ace your predraft interview: Tell teams that your dream is to play in the NBA, not the NFL.
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1653796068436443138?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Jets ta sign Aaron's buddy, Cobb. Should be one hell of a receivin' group there with Lazard and Cobb. Talk 'bout high maintenance, aina?
https://nypost.com/2023/05/03/randall-cobb-reuniting-with-aaron-rodgers-on-one-year-jets-deal/
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Jags may have to play future games some place else while TIAA stadium renovates .
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jaguars-may-be-forced-out-of-home-stadium-for-two-years-as-tiaa-bank-field-undergoes-renovations/
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NFL must have sent a memo to the organizations telling them to have their social media teams to step it up with the schedule release, cause I don’t remember so much effort and buzz behind them as this year.
The Bears spin of “The Bear” was fantastic.
The Titans interview format on Broadway was funny.
Couple others have been good as well
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Imagine signing Cobb on purpose. What does he bring? He hasn’t played a full season in a decade. He’s taking time from younger and probably more productive players. Ridiculous
+1000. A farce he’s still in the league. Calling him a shell of his former self is even a stretch.
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Cobb is a good dude, but paying him the vets min just to teach Garrett Wilson hand signals is nuts
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Hello Thannis, aina?
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The back of an NBA bench is way less valuable than an NFL bench.
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The back of an NBA bench is way less valuable than an NFL bench.
Tell that to Udonis Haslem
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The Panthers have their rookie mini-camp going on now, and coach Frank Reich and his assistants are painting Bryce Young as the most intelligent rookie they've ever coached.
“I think he’s going to progress quickly in anything he does,” Reich said. “I think we all know that’s the kind of person he is. That’s the kind of player he is — how fast his mind thinks, and how gifted he is physically. You can just see him throwing the football out there — how easy it is for him. A couple of us coaches were talking — we like to talk about ‘low RPM mode,’ where it’s just easy for him, you can see that.”
One of my Panther fan buddies was outraged that the team listed Andy Dalton as QB1 on the post-draft roster, but I told him to chill out. It was just a way to take pressure off Young, who, barring injury or unforeseen setback, will be the Day 1 starter.
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The Panthers have their rookie mini-camp going on now, and coach Frank Reich and his assistants are painting Bryce Young as the most intelligent rookie they've ever coached.
“I think he’s going to progress quickly in anything he does,” Reich said. “I think we all know that’s the kind of person he is. That’s the kind of player he is — how fast his mind thinks, and how gifted he is physically. You can just see him throwing the football out there — how easy it is for him. A couple of us coaches were talking — we like to talk about ‘low RPM mode,’ where it’s just easy for him, you can see that.”
One of my Panther fan buddies was outraged that the team listed Andy Dalton as QB1 on the post-draft roster, but I told him to chill out. It was just a way to take pressure off Young, who, barring injury or unforeseen setback, will be the Day 1 starter.
The kid has enough pressure being the #1 overall at arguably the hardest position in all of sports. Heaping public praise on him before he’s played a down in the league stands an excellent chance of setting him up for failure. I remember people salivating at Zach Wilson’s rookie summer practices. That really looks smart now.
If Reich and his staff really feel those things, shut the f up and keep them in house.
Not to mention it’s minicamp practices for crying out loud Reich, pretend you understand it’s going to look a little different when he’s playing a defense that has studied and schemed all week for him with stuff he’s never seen or had to understand before.
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The kid has enough pressure being the #1 overall at arguably the hardest position in all of sports. Heaping public praise on him before he’s played a down in the league stands an excellent chance of setting him up for failure. I remember people salivating at Zach Wilson’s rookie summer practices. That really looks smart now.
If Reich and his staff really feel those things, shut the f up and keep them in house.
Not to mention it’s minicamp practices for crying out loud Reich, pretend you understand it’s going to look a little different when he’s playing a defense that has studied and schemed all week for him with stuff he’s never seen or had to understand before.
Reich didn't just step up to a microphone and start talking. He was asked specific questions about Young. I guess he could have lied, or just been very vanilla in his comments.
Time will tell if Reich should have "shut the f up ... though if Young can't handle this very little bit of pressure, he already was the wrong choice.
If Young fails, Reich's punishment won't be looking bad for making comments in rookie camp. He'll be fired, as will his entire staff, as will the general manager and his underlings. By trading the farm, the Panthers' management team went all-in. If he succeeds, they succeed; if he fails, they all go down in flames.
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2025 NFL draft will be held in Green Bay. Didn't think that would happen...
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It's a huge deal, my hometown will be able to afford traffic lights and maybe some EV infrastructure
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2025 NFL draft will be held in Green Bay. Didn't think that would happen...
Yup. I was shocked.
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Still not sure it’s a good idea.
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Still not sure it’s a good idea.
Just where every young athlete wants to spend his first night as a freshly minted multimillionaire.
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Just where every young athlete wants to spend his first night as a freshly minted multimillionaire.
Not just that, but KC reportedly drew 300,000 for the draft. Green Bay just doesn't have that infrastructure. Not that it's their goal to draw that many, but I just think it might cause some logistical issues that will make the place look bad.
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Not just that, but KC reportedly drew 300,000 for the draft. Green Bay just doesn't have that infrastructure. Not that it's their goal to draw that many, but I just think it might cause some logistical issues that will make the place look bad.
I'd like to think it is a test run for a Super Bowl to see if GB has the capability to deal with that many people..., but then I'd really, really be shocked.
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Guys, if you're concerned about staying in a ho-dunk town, stay in Milwaukee.
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Just read that Green Bay was the best city in which to live.
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Guys, if you're concerned about staying in a ho-dunk town, stay in Milwaukee.
Orr da dorms @ St. Norbie's, aina?
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2025 NFL draft will be held in Green Bay. Didn't think that would happen...
The Pack will have the #1 pick, hoping to land Jordan Love's replacement.
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I'd like to think it is a test run for a Super Bowl to see if GB has the capability to deal with that many people..., but then I'd really, really be shocked.
Did your printer run out of teal?
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Yeah, da football world and its fans are dyin' ta come ta Green Bay in February, aina?
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Yeah, they have had one outdoor, cold weather Super Bowl in New York. The only way I can MAYBE see another is when Chicago builds its next stadium.
I don't think the NFL has any interest in returning to cold locations with domes (Minneapolis, Detroit, etc.)
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Where will they hold it in GB? Is there a convention center?
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Where will they hold it in GB? Is there a convention center?
A group of neighbors has sold space on their front lawns. Just like parking for Packers games.
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A group of neighbors has sold space on their front lawns. Just like parking for Packers games.
and a fish fry on Friday for the 2nd and 3rd rounds?
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and a fish fry on Friday for the 2nd and 3rd rounds?
You betcha.
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Yeah, they have had one outdoor, cold weather Super Bowl in New York. The only way I can MAYBE see another is when Chicago builds its next stadium.
I don't think the NFL has any interest in returning to cold locations with domes (Minneapolis, Detroit, etc.)
Historically, the NFL has rewarded teams that build new stadiums with a Super Bowl. So, I would expect Chicago to get one. It'll be interesting whether the league upholds that tradition with Buffalo. Not only is it not going to be a dome, but who wants to go to upstate New York in February?
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Some roomy compounds a few miles out of town.
Door County summer homes that could transition into Airbnb's.
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I can’t wait for the Bears to move to Peotone.
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I can’t wait for the Bears to move to Peotone.
This seems hamfisted, even for the Bears. They don't strike me as people willing to walk away from the $200+ million they've already invested in Arlington. And I have very good reason to suspect they'd lose significantly if they tried to flip that property.
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I can’t wait for the Bears to move to Peotone.
Out by the airport. Makes total sense.
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Just read that Green Bay was the best city in which to live.
not if the team returns to it's "heart attack pack" ways...bellin is a pretty reputable and well run health care organization though
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Uh-oh ... time to boycott the NFL again!
https://www.nflshop.com/c-11147?_s=EML23_NFL1_0603_09AM_NOOFF&loc=en-US&cur=USD&utm_medium=email&utm_source=MKTG&utm_position=BC1MS_A&utm_content=&utm_term=&SFMC=2326002_9006_290_b25487e35e3c6169da61b5d69a0ee762
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Oh, sure. The Lions might be good for the first time ever and now you want a boycott.
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Uh-oh ... time to boycott the NFL again!
https://www.nflshop.com/c-11147?_s=EML23_NFL1_0603_09AM_NOOFF&loc=en-US&cur=USD&utm_medium=email&utm_source=MKTG&utm_position=BC1MS_A&utm_content=&utm_term=&SFMC=2326002_9006_290_b25487e35e3c6169da61b5d69a0ee762
That stuff is so gay.