2023 MLB Thread

[wadesworld]

In the Brewers 6 Playoff appearances as a franchise, the team that eliminated them has gone on to win the WS 5 times. Should've bet the DBacks right after game 2.

[shoothoops]

If Philadelphia advances, none of the final four teams will have won more than 90 games this season.

[Jockey]

If Philadelphia advances, none of the final four teams will have won more than 90 games this season.

True, but they were all good teams. In baseball, unlike the NBA, any team that gets into the post season can win it all.

[Uncle Rico]

True, but they were all good teams. In baseball, unlike the NBA, any team that gets into the post season can win it all.

The more teams they add, the more things like this will happen.

It's humorous to watch people bemoan the top teams losing when it's been happening since they went to divisions.  The best team I saw was the '86 Mets and they held on by the skin of their teeth. 

[shoothoops]

True, but they were all good teams. In baseball, unlike the NBA, any team that gets into the post season can win it all.

I didn't say they weren't. Don't read something that isn't there. I didn't say it didn't mean they weren't good teams. It's much more common than many realize going back a while.

Scoop's beloved Cardinals won the 2006 WS after an 83 win season. And 2011 they won the WS as a Wild Card team. The 10 other times they had 90 plus wins in the past 20 years, they didn't.

Of course it would be nice to have some of that Dodgers type of money too. They don't have to sell fans as much on things like value etc...

[MUBurrow]

The baseball playoffs are also less representative of the regular season than any other sport - they reward different strengths and punish different weaknesses.  So a lot of what goes into seeding teams over a 162 game season loses its import when gauging favorites in a short series.

[MU82]

In 1987, an 85-win Twins team beat the 98-win Tigers in the ALCS and then the 95-win Cardinals in the World Series.

It happens. Teams that don't like it have a potential solution: Win more postseason games.

[shoothoops]

The baseball playoffs are also less representative of the regular season than any other sport - they reward different strengths and punish different weaknesses.  So a lot of what goes into seeding teams over a 162 game season loses its import when gauging favorites in a short series.

Yeo. Anything can and does happen in a short 7 game or less series. But you do of course have to get there.

[Jockey]

I didn't say they weren't. Don't read something that isn't there. I didn't say it didn't mean they weren't good teams. It's much more common than many realize going back a while.

Scoop's beloved Cardinals won the 2006 WS after an 83 win season. And 2011 they won the WS as a Wild Card team. The 10 other times they had 90 plus wins in the past 20 years, they didn't.

Of course it would be nice to have some of that Dodgers type of money too. They don't have to sell fans as much on things like value etc...

My post wasn't a criticism of what you said, Just adding on.

[Jockey]

Ronald Acuna - on average - bats 4-5 times a game. That is a minimal number of chances that he has to put runs on the board.

Nicola Jokich, in a 100 possession game, has 100 different opportunities to affect points on the board.

[shoothoops]

In 1987, an 85-win Twins team beat the 98-win Tigers in the ALCS and then the 95-win Cardinals in the World Series.

It happens. Teams that don't like it have a potential solution: Win more postseason games.

And that brings up another factor, injuries. The Cardinals lost in 7 games in 1987 without Jack Clark and Terry Pendletom who were injured.

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/16/sports/world-series-87-cardinals-won-t-have-pendleton-at-third-for-series.html

Sometimes some of the players that help get the team there aren't available and it's a little bit of a differrent team.

[tower912]

I don't know that it has been or can be quantified, but it seems the first round bye or extended waits after sweeping
a series while the next opponent grinds out a win can have the effect of icing teams in baseball.    Braves, Dodgers,Orioles never really got out of the gate.  I think it happened twice to my Tigers in the WS.

[Spotcheck Billy]

In 1987, an 85-win Twins team beat the 98-win Tigers in the ALCS and then the 95-win Cardinals in the World Series.

It happens. Teams that don't like it have a potential solution: Win more postseason games.

I had just moved to S. St. Paul and fondly recall the convertible Corvettes Bergstrom must have loaned the team catching fire in the too deep ticker tape parade.

[lawdog77]

True, but they were all good teams. In baseball, unlike the NBA, any team that gets into the post season can win it all.

Except the Brewers, it seems.

[Uncle Rico]

Woodruff likely out for 2024

[cheebs09]

Woodruff likely out for 2024

Does that make a Burnes trade more or less likely? I'd assume they probably aren't giving Woodruff a big extension now.

[wadesworld]

They should've traded Burnes at this past season's deadline.  If they don't do it now...

[Uncle Rico]

Does that make a Burnes trade more or less likely? I'd assume they probably aren't giving Woodruff a big extension now.

My gut says they keep him but I'd trade him for a used bike

[MUBurrow]

Does that make a Burnes trade more or less likely? I'd assume they probably aren't giving Woodruff a big extension now.

Ugh.  I think it depends partially on if they nontender Woodruff.  If they have Woodruff on the books, whether by tendering him through his final arb year or a mini-extension that covers this year and his first healthy year, its hard to imagine them also paying Burnes for 2024.  That would be a ton of money just for whatever innings Burnes gives you. 

If I was putting money down, I think Burnes and Woodruff are both gone, they'll bring back Adames in hopes of rehabbing his trade value a bit, and Counsell won't be the manager.

[BrewCity83]

No with his trade value down to nil, I'd like to see them sign Woodruff to a 2-3 year deal this offseason that's loaded with incentives.

Trade Burnes now for several young stud pitching prospects that are close to being ready to hop into the rotation.  If Adames doesn't want to sign a several year arb-buyout deal, then trade him for young starting pitching too.   

[Uncle Rico]

No with his trade value down to nil, I'd like to see them sign Woodruff to a 2-3 year deal this offseason that's loaded with incentives.

Trade Burnes now for several young stud pitching prospects that are close to being ready to hop into the rotation.  If Adames doesn't want to sign a several year arb-buyout deal, then trade him for young starting pitching too.   

They need some big corner bats if they trade Burnes.  I'm fine trading Adames.

I don't think they can do this, though, and lobby for a stadium deal.  Basically, they're stuck going for it again, I think

[Hards Alumni]

They need some big corner bats if they trade Burnes.  I'm fine trading Adames.

I don't think they can do this, though, and lobby for a stadium deal.  Basically, they're stuck going for it again, I think

I think they need to go out and get some more team speed for christsakes!

[wadesworld]

Trade Burnes for players that can hit homers in October and, if Trevor Bauer truly was railroaded, go get Trevor Bauer to replace Burnes.

[MUBurrow]

No with his trade value down to nil, I'd like to see them sign Woodruff to a 2-3 year deal this offseason that's loaded with incentives.

As I think about it, just tendering Woodruff is probably out of the question yeah? It's either an extension or a nontender? If they didn't tender him he would either have to sign a multi year deal with another team or not get paid for 2024 right? Seems like there's a deal to be made there.

[Lennys Tap]

My gut says they keep him but I'd trade him for a used bike

10 speed?