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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MU82 on January 18, 2023, 09:06:37 AM
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From The Athletic:
Baseball expansion is happening. Commissioner Rob Manfred wants it. Cities want teams. It should be a reality soon.
Portland: Plans are already underway for a 32,000-seat stadium, Stephen J. Nesbitt writes. The city is in, and so are investors.
Nashville: Andy McCullough reports the foundation for an MLB team is already being built — and they already have a name picked out.
Las Vegas, Charlotte and others are leading candidates for new teams, too. Manfred has said he wants resolution for the Athletics and Rays, both embroiled in nasty negotiations about a new stadium, before MLB officially expands to 32 teams.
But it's coming, and the A's and/or Rays could be in a new city, too.
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From The Athletic:
Baseball expansion is happening. Commissioner Rob Manfred wants it. Cities want teams. It should be a reality soon.
Portland: Plans are already underway for a 32,000-seat stadium, Stephen J. Nesbitt writes. The city is in, and so are investors.
Nashville: Andy McCullough reports the foundation for an MLB team is already being built — and they already have a name picked out.
Las Vegas, Charlotte and others are leading candidates for new teams, too. Manfred has said he wants resolution for the Athletics and Rays, both embroiled in nasty negotiations about a new stadium, before MLB officially expands to 32 teams.
But it's coming, and the A's and/or Rays could be in a new city, too.
Interesting.
I think it's the Nashville Stars which was maybe the name of the Negro League team. I think there already a website.
Doesn't the city of Tampa want to build a stadium for The Rays but there is the lease in St. Petersburg?
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Interesting.
I think it's the Nashville Stars which was maybe the name of the Negro League team. I think there already a website.
Doesn't the city of Tampa want to build a stadium for The Rays but there is the lease in St. Petersburg?
I don't know the latest on the Tampa-St. Pete situation. It has been in flux for years.
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Interesting.
I think it's the Nashville Stars which was maybe the name of the Negro League team. I think there already a website.
Doesn't the city of Tampa want to build a stadium for The Rays but there is the lease in St. Petersburg?
This isn’t really new. Nashville’s group for example, officially began 5 years ago as Music City baseball. And discussions and efforts started even prior to that.
The Stars began as the St. Louis Giants (1906-1921) and evolved into the St.Louis Stars (1922-1931). Nashville formed the Elite Giants Negro League team in the early 1930’s. The Nashville Stars were one of many semi pro teams in a wide range of leagues from the late 1930’s to early 1950’s. mls They like the Stars name. There is now a youth baseball club there with the same name, with majority black players and coaches.
https://www.mlbmusiccity.com/leadership-roster/
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Nashville makes a lot of sense for baseball, Portland, eh?
Vegas will have a team
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This isn’t really new. Nashville’s group for example, officially began 5 years ago as Music City baseball. And discussions and efforts started even prior to that.
The Stars began as the St. Louis Giants (1906-1921) and evolved into the St.Louis Stars (1922-1931). Nashville formed the Elite Giants Negro League team in the early 1930’s. The Nashville Stars were one of many semi pro teams in a wide range of leagues from the late 1930’s to early 1950’s. mls They like the Stars name. There is now a youth baseball club there with the same name, with majority black players and coaches.
https://www.mlbmusiccity.com/leadership-roster/
It all leads back to STL.
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Will be interesting to see what expansion would do to the divisional alignments. If two teams were added, would MLB move to eight four-team divisions? And how would that impact the playoff structure - four division winners and two wildcards in each league? Three wildcards? Four wildcards?
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If expansion happens, I'd like to see minimum payroll commitments be a part of the requirements. For example, require that for its first 10 years any expansion team maintain a major league payroll in the top 50% of the league, or remain above 75% of the luxury tax threshold, or something like that. The last thing the league needs is another 2-3 teams running out rosters filled with replacement level players that together make less than any two players on top teams.
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Made me think about divisional realignment, assuming that Nashville and Portland were added, and no other teams switched leagues -
AL East - Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Orioles
AL Central - Guardians, White Sox, Twins, Tigers
AL South - Rays, Rangers, Astros, Royals
AL West - Mariners, Angels, Oakland\Vegas, Portland
NL East - Mets, Phillies, Nats, Pirates
NL Central - Cardinals, Cubs, Brewers, Rockies
NL South - Braves, Marlins, Reds, Nashville
NL West - Dodgers, Padres, Giants, Diamondbacks
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Interesting.
I think it's the Nashville Stars which was maybe the name of the Negro League team. I think there already a website.
Doesn't the city of Tampa want to build a stadium for The Rays but there is the lease in St. Petersburg?
The Rays lease runs out in 2027. There have been a plethora of recent ideas, proposals etc...that have fallen through in both Tampa and St. Pete. Owner wants to pay 50%.
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If expansion happens, I'd like to see minimum payroll commitments be a part of the requirements. For example, require that for its first 10 years any expansion team maintain a major league payroll in the top 50% of the league, or remain above 75% of the luxury tax threshold, or something like that. The last thing the league needs is another 2-3 teams running out rosters filled with replacement level players that together make less than any two players on top teams.
Does the fact that expanding by two teams necessarily means that (at least) 56 additional MLB players are needed have the effect of pushing the value of a "replacement level" player down somewhat? What is gained by putting a gun to Expansion Team X's GM and say "pay guys more money or you fail this expansion requirement test" if the only realistic option available is to overpay mediocre players? (problem no doubt worsened by going to 3 or 4 expansion teams and diluting the talent pool further still)
You get a Jeff Suppan! You get a Jeff Suppan! Everyone gets a Jeff Suppan!
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Made me think about divisional realignment, assuming that Nashville and Portland were added, and no other teams switched leagues -
AL East - Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Orioles
AL Central - Guardians, White Sox, Twins, Tigers
AL South - Rays, Rangers, Astros, Royals
AL West - Mariners, Angels, Oakland\Vegas, Portland
NL East - Mets, Phillies, Nats, Pirates
NL Central - Cardinals, Cubs, Brewers, Rockies
NL South - Braves, Marlins, Reds, Nashville
NL West - Dodgers, Padres, Giants, Diamondbacks
I think they would stick with 3 divisions each league. From what I repeatedly hear is the Florida teams want to be the East division. It helps home attendance when your the Rays and the Yankees & Red Sox are in your division and visit x number of times a year.
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I think they would stick with 3 divisions each league. From what I repeatedly hear is the Florida teams want to be the East division. It helps home attendance when your the Rays and the Yankees & Red Sox are in your division and visit x number of times a year.
True, although the new "balanced" schedule reduces the number of divisional games from 76 to 52 starting this year.
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True, although the new "balanced" schedule reduces the number of divisional games from 76 to 52 starting this year.
Which means they would have even less at home vs these two teams.
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From The Athletic:
Baseball expansion is happening. Commissioner Rob Manfred wants it. Cities want teams. It should be a reality soon.
Portland: Plans are already underway for a 32,000-seat stadium, Stephen J. Nesbitt writes. The city is in, and so are investors.
32K would be the smallest stadium in the league. Gotta wonder why MLB would be down with that.
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32K would be the smallest stadium in the league. Gotta wonder why MLB would be down with that.
Because I'm not sure if Tampa and Oakland say "no" to new stadiums, if they will have enough markets for relocation and expansion without Portland. And that may be as good as Portland is going to get.
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If tickets are consistently in high demand and the ballpark is consistently sold out, 32K is plenty big enough. The Pirates are 38K, and that's a great ballpark, and when they had representative teams they packed the place and it brought in a lot of money. They were even competing for free agents for a couple years there. Fenway is 37K-ish.
Better a full 32K-seat ballpark than a 50K+ seater that always looks empty.
As for MUBurrow's comment about minimum payroll, I'd like to see that MLB-wide, not just for expansion teams. If the A's owner can't (or won't) spend the money to field a representative team, he should have to sell it to somebody who would. They all get so much media revenue now.
I found it interesting that Charlotte's on the possible expansion list. We have a beautiful, newish downtown ballpark for our Triple-A team (White Sox affiliate) but it only seats 10K. It's absolutely perfect for Triple-A, but I think I've seen studies that the most it could be expanded to would be 18K. So they'd have to tear it down and start over, or find another spot for a big-league stadium. Given that Tepper soon is gonna be asking for a billion bucks for the Panthers' stadium, it's hard to imagine there being an appetite here to ask taxpayers for that much more. But who knows ... maybe there's another billionaire willing to use private funds.
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32K would be the smallest stadium in the league. Gotta wonder why MLB would be down with that.
25 out of 30 teams averaged less than 32,000.
With the smaller stadium, a higher percentage of seats would be big-ticket items (luxury boxes, luxury box seats, etc.). Total income from ticket sales is more important than the number sold. I have to assume there would be on-site gambling facilities to generate income as well.
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Nashville makes a lot of sense for baseball, Portland, eh?
Vegas will have a team
Portland Battered Bastards of Baseball
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=battling+bastards+of+baseball&view=detail&mid=1B964DCBBAC92ECD6A1B1B964DCBBAC92ECD6A1B&FORM=VIRE
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25 out of 30 teams averaged less than 32,000.
With the smaller stadium, a higher percentage of seats would be big-ticket items (luxury boxes, luxury box seats, etc.). Total income from ticket sales is more important than the number sold. I have to assume there would be on-site gambling facilities to generate income as well.
Yea, 81 is a LOT of home games, especially for a metro that isn't in the top 25 and won't be particularly warm for good parts of the season.
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Portland Battered Bastards of Baseball
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=battling+bastards+of+baseball&view=detail&mid=1B964DCBBAC92ECD6A1B1B964DCBBAC92ECD6A1B&FORM=VIRE
Portland Weirdos
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25 out of 30 teams averaged less than 32,000.
With the smaller stadium, a higher percentage of seats would be big-ticket items (luxury boxes, luxury box seats, etc.). Total income from ticket sales is more important than the number sold. I have to assume there would be on-site gambling facilities to generate income as well.
I'm not sure the average really matters. Teamns don't build stadiums with a capacity with the average night in mind.
Even if you sell out only 15 games a year at 40,000, that's still 120,000 more tickets, tens of thousands of more cars in the lot at $25 a pop, hundreds of thousands of more overpriced hot dogs, beers and nachos, visits to the team gift shop, etc.
And given that it'll be a new franchise, they won't have any problem filling that stadium the first few years,
I'm not sure you could charge enough of a premium on fewer seats to make up for that lost revenue.
Nor do I think the Portland area could sustain an unusually high number of luxury boxes and seats to make up for the lost revenues on regular tickets and accommodations. Portland's not exactly a hub of corporate America.
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Chip Caray leaving Atlanta to be the Cardinals' top play-by-play guy:
After a months-long search, longtime Atlanta Braves television play-by-play broadcaster Chip Caray is leaving his position with Bally Sports South and will join the Bally Sports Midwest broadcasting team as the lead play-by-play announcer for the St. Louis Cardinals, multiple industry sources told The Athletic on Monday. Here’s what you need to know:
Caray, grandson of legendary former Cardinals broadcaster Harry Caray, will replace Dan McLaughlin, who was set to begin his 25th season as the lead television voice with the Cardinals this season.
McLaughlin was arrested on suspicion of driving while intoxicated in early December. He was eventually charged with a felony persistent DWI. McLaughlin opted to leave his position with Bally Sports Midwest under a “mutual decision” later in the month.
Caray will be paired with Brad Thompson and Jim Edmonds, who will alternate between the analyst role and hosting in-studio. Thompson will be the lead analyst for the majority of the 2023 broadcasts and sideline reporters Jim Hayes and Alexa Datt will return to the broadcast as well.
Caray is leaving the Braves position entirely by his choice, a source said, adding that the pull of going “home” to St. Louis was strong. He was raised in St. Louis, and Chip’s parents were divorced. He told The Athletic he rarely saw his father, legendary broadcaster Skip Caray, after he went to Atlanta to work as a Braves broadcaster in 1976.
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Chip Caray leaving Atlanta to be the Cardinals' top play-by-play guy:
After a months-long search, longtime Atlanta Braves television play-by-play broadcaster Chip Caray is leaving his position with Bally Sports South and will join the Bally Sports Midwest broadcasting team as the lead play-by-play announcer for the St. Louis Cardinals, multiple industry sources told The Athletic on Monday. Here’s what you need to know:
Caray, grandson of legendary former Cardinals broadcaster Harry Caray, will replace Dan McLaughlin, who was set to begin his 25th season as the lead television voice with the Cardinals this season.
McLaughlin was arrested on suspicion of driving while intoxicated in early December. He was eventually charged with a felony persistent DWI. McLaughlin opted to leave his position with Bally Sports Midwest under a “mutual decision” later in the month.
Caray will be paired with Brad Thompson and Jim Edmonds, who will alternate between the analyst role and hosting in-studio. Thompson will be the lead analyst for the majority of the 2023 broadcasts and sideline reporters Jim Hayes and Alexa Datt will return to the broadcast as well.
Caray is leaving the Braves position entirely by his choice, a source said, adding that the pull of going “home” to St. Louis was strong. He was raised in St. Louis, and Chip’s parents were divorced. He told The Athletic he rarely saw his father, legendary broadcaster Skip Caray, after he went to Atlanta to work as a Braves broadcaster in 1976.
Never forget Harry Caray lost his job in St. Louis for banging the owners wife which is better than getting multiple DUIs, I suppose
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Not great for the ChiSox big gree-agent addition.
White Sox pitcher Mike Clevinger is under investigation by Major League Baseball following allegations of domestic violence involving the mother of his 10-month-old daughter and child abuse, per a report from Brittany Ghiroli and Katie Strang of The Athletic.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/01/mike-clevinger-under-investigation-for-domestic-violence-allegations.html
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Not great for the ChiSox big gree-agent addition.
White Sox pitcher Mike Clevinger is under investigation by Major League Baseball following allegations of domestic violence involving the mother of his 10-month-old daughter and child abuse, per a report from Brittany Ghiroli and Katie Strang of The Athletic.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/01/mike-clevinger-under-investigation-for-domestic-violence-allegations.html
Yup.
This is the least excited I’ve ever been going into a Sox season. Hopefully they have a moral clause to get out of the Clevinger contract (assuming the allegations are legit).
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Scott Rolen?
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Scott Rolen?
Defensive metrics LOVED him. Outstanding player. Hall of Famer? Whatever
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Defensive metrics LOVED him. Outstanding player. Hall of Famer? Whatever
Hang up his plaque in the Santo/Baines wing of the Hall.
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Scott Rolen?
Sportswriters have lower IQs than whale shît on the bottom of the sea.
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Hang up his plaque in the Santo/Baines wing of the Hall.
Next to Ted Simmons from last year.
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I know a few people who vote and they mentioned the following:
Rolen has a 70.1 WAR. Every eligible eligible third baseman with that WAR has been elected to the Hall of Fame. It’s also higher than 7 current MLB Hall of Fame third basemen. (10 including Negro Leagues) It’s 9th all time for 3B.
Among third basemen with at least 7,000 plate appearances:
11th all time in Offensive WAR for third basemen. 5th in OPS, 4th in doubles, 6th xtra base hits, 10th RBI’s, 12th HR’s.
1997-2004, he was 1st in Total War, Defensive War, Defensive Runs Saved, and he was 2nd to Chipper Jones for offense.
1997-2004 ranked 3rd in WAR for any player or position. (Bonds and ARod)
6th All Time in Defensive War for third basemen.
8 Gold Gloves, 3rd all time for third basemen.
at least 300 Home Runs 8 Gold Gloves, Rolen and Schmidt.
at least 300 Home Runs, 500 Doubles, 1 Gold Glove, Rolen, Beltre, Chipper.
7 time all star, silver slugger, rookie of the year, WS Title and was best player in that WS.
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Wow. 90 minutes to defend the honor of a former Cardinal.
What took you so long?
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Wow. 90 minutes to defend the honor of a former Cardinal.
What took you so long?
Quit being so tribal
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Wow. 90 minutes to defend the honor of a former Cardinal.
What took you so long?
Says the guy with 8,814 posts on Scoop, including 3 already about Scott Rolen and other Cardinals, and the Hall of Fame. Perhaps you can enter the Scoop Hall of Fame based on plate appearances.
Take it up with those that voted Rolen a Hall of Famer. They are going to run out of Hall of Fame space at Busch Stadium at some point.
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Says the guy with 8,814 posts on Scoop, including 3 already about Scott Rolen and other Cardinals, and the Hall of Fame. Perhaps you can enter the Scoop Hall of Fame based on plate appearances.
Take it up with those that voted Rolen a Hall of Famer. They are going to run out of Hall of Fame space at Busch Stadium at some point.
You’re trying too hard.
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Wow. 90 minutes to defend the honor of a former Cardinal.
What took you so long?
Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah Arch Man!
Zip!
Rolen!
Pow!
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You’re trying too hard.
You’re projecting too hard.
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Are you suggesting I'm actually in love with the city of St. Louis and the Cardinals?
I guess that means its time for me to get drunk and drive into a tree...
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Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah Arch Man!
Zip!
Rolen!
Pow!
Playin’ the hits since 2007.
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Get a brain morans
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I don't trust WAR defensive metrics, but 70 WAR is a HOFer. He's one of those guys that is very good at everything but is not otherworldly at anything (except maybe defense) and those guys are always underrated and not appreciated as much as they should be. He played great defense, hit for good averages, ran the bases well, got on base at a good clip and had good power.
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I know a few people who vote and they mentioned the following:
Rolen has a 70.1 WAR. Every eligible eligible third baseman with that WAR has been elected to the Hall of Fame. It’s also higher than 7 current MLB Hall of Fame third basemen. (10 including Negro Leagues) It’s 9th all time for 3B.
Among third basemen with at least 7,000 plate appearances:
11th all time in Offensive WAR for third basemen. 5th in OPS, 4th in doubles, 6th xtra base hits, 10th RBI’s, 12th HR’s.
1997-2004, he was 1st in Total War, Defensive War, Defensive Runs Saved, and he was 2nd to Chipper Jones for offense.
1997-2004 ranked 3rd in WAR for any player or position. (Bonds and ARod)
6th All Time in Defensive War for third basemen.
8 Gold Gloves, 3rd all time for third basemen.
at least 300 Home Runs 8 Gold Gloves, Rolen and Schmidt.
at least 300 Home Runs, 500 Doubles, 1 Gold Glove, Rolen, Beltre, Chipper.
7 time all star, silver slugger, rookie of the year, WS Title and was best player in that WS.
Hmm. The timing of his takeoff seems interesting to me but I can’t put my finger on it. A dominant 7 year run starting in 1997 playing for the St. Louis Cardinals. Surely nobody was taking anabolic steroids with in that clubhouse. They play the game the right way, of course.
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I don't trust WAR defensive metrics, but 70 WAR is a HOFer. He's one of those guys that is very good at everything but is not otherworldly at anything (except maybe defense) and those guys are always underrated and not appreciated as much as they should be. He played great defense, hit for good averages, ran the bases well, got on base at a good clip and had good power.
Congratulations for discussing the topic. It only took about a dozen posts and someone from Connecticut. Good job.
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Congratulations for discussing the topic. It only took about a dozen posts and someone from Connecticut. Good job.
Thought location didn’t matter.
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Playin’ the hits since 2007.
It's precious that you've saved my artwork from 16 years ago, mom. You're a true super hero, ArchMan.
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It's precious that you've saved my artwork from 16 years ago, mom. You're a true super hero, ArchMan.
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I don't trust WAR defensive metrics, but 70 WAR is a HOFer. He's one of those guys that is very good at everything but is not otherworldly at anything (except maybe defense) and those guys are always underrated and not appreciated as much as they should be. He played great defense, hit for good averages, ran the bases well, got on base at a good clip and had good power.
I don’t trust them either. IMO Rolen belongs in the Hall of really, really Good. HOF? Nope. Curt Schilling must be scratching his head.
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I don’t trust them either. IMO Rolen belongs in the Hall of really, really Good. HOF? Nope. Curt Schilling must be scratching his head.
Yep. The way CT describes him is exactly why I agree with you here.
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Yep. The way CT describes him is exactly why I agree with you here.
My point is that if he hit .265 with less walks and 500 HRS and his defense was so-so he would be exactly as valuable as he is now and people would mostly accept that he was a Hall of Famer. The all around player is undervalued. He's a borderline guy, but I have zero problem with him in the Hall of Fame.
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My point is that if he hit .265 with less walks and 500 HRS and his defense was so-so he would be exactly as valuable as he is now and people would mostly accept that he was a Hall of Famer. The all around player is undervalued. He's a borderline guy, but I have zero problem with him in the Hall of Fame.
And I disagree with you. But my standards for the HOF are higher than what's been inducted recently.
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And I disagree with you. But my standards for the HOF are higher than what's been inducted recently.
I don’t get worked about this stuff. Whatever.
I know this, I never said to myself, I want to see Scott Rolen or Fred McGriff play or thought to myself they were a reason to go to a game.
Bonds? Clemens? Before and after any roiding? Yeah, I wanted to go see them
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I don’t get worked about this stuff. Whatever.
I know this, I never said to myself, I want to see Scott Rolen or Fred McGriff play or thought to myself they were a reason to go to a game.
Bonds? Clemens? Before and after any roiding? Yeah, I wanted to go see them
Then you missed out. Many others did.
Roger Clemens? Sure. Here ya go:
https://youtu.be/hv6Y0f4P3Uk
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Then you missed out. Many others did.
Roger Clemens? Sure. Here ya go:
https://youtu.be/hv6Y0f4P3Uk
Not really. John Valentin hit a home run off him in a game in the playoffs. I didn’t make it a point to go to a game and see him either
So tribal
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Not really. John Valentin hit a home run off him in a game in the playoffs. I didn’t make it a point to go to a game and see him either
So tribal
Lol.
https://twitter.com/matthewhleach/status/1618069356323434496?s=46&t=uvk-WWsMd-VbghQS_UDW0A
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Lol.
https://twitter.com/matthewhleach/status/1618069356323434496?s=46&t=uvk-WWsMd-VbghQS_UDW0A
Ok?
So tribal
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Good for Rolen. Moving on.
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St. Pete mayor picks Rays' redevelopment site bid
January 30th, 2023
https://www.mlb.com/news/st-petersburg-mayor-chooses-rays-for-tropicana-field-site-redevelopment?partnerId=zh-20230131-815921-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20230131-815921-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=Nkl6QNIvpy0qoW1rE5eS9gk7QSsnI2NibmnR8dUuJogVyUNT8GCpDgFV%2FK0fhJkK&bt_ts=1675183458838
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St. Pete mayor picks Rays' redevelopment site bid
January 30th, 2023
https://www.mlb.com/news/st-petersburg-mayor-chooses-rays-for-tropicana-field-site-redevelopment?partnerId=zh-20230131-815921-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20230131-815921-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=Nkl6QNIvpy0qoW1rE5eS9gk7QSsnI2NibmnR8dUuJogVyUNT8GCpDgFV%2FK0fhJkK&bt_ts=1675183458838
Fixed roof instead of retractable roof seems like a mistake, but otherwise good for them, cause the Trop is a dump.
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Brewers farm system rated #8 overall. 5 guys in the top 100 MLB prospects.
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Brewers farm system rated #8 overall. 5 guys in the top 100 MLB prospects.
So fade em this year, and throw money at em in the future
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So fade em this year, and throw money at em in the future
It’s an interesting year in Miltown. Think if they aren’t playing well into July, it’s a wholesale sell-off. They have pieces to move and re-stock a relatively quick turnaround
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Apparently, the baseball writers can't spell.
Both the NL and AL award Cy Young trophies spelled the word valuable as valuble
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Apparently, the baseball writers can't spell.
Both the NL and AL award Cy Young trophies spelled the word valuable as valuble
Yadi and Pujols retire and the league falls apart.
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Apparently, the baseball writers can't spell.
Both the NL and AL award Cy Young trophies spelled the word valuable as valuble
Misspelling stuff on trophies is funny. But you do know that baseball writers aren't the ones actually etching letters on trophies, right?
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Misspelling stuff on trophies is funny. But you do know that baseball writers aren't the ones actually etching letters on trophies, right?
Misspelling stuff on trophies is not funny, unless you laugh at engraver's errors.
A further question arises ...do baseball writers have difficulty spotting an obvious irony/juxtaposition in a writing?
The premise here.....Professional writers would be expected to know how to spell and a trophy presented by them bearing a typo is in direct juxtaposition to their craft; ....which some see as ironic, a few might even see as almost funny.
Bob Uecker, the Catcher in the Wry, was a master of this humor. Clearly I am not
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Misspelling stuff on trophies is not funny, unless you laugh at engraver's errors.
A further question arises ...do baseball writers have difficulty spotting an obvious irony/juxtaposition in a writing?
The premise here.....Professional writers would be expected to know how to spell and a trophy presented by them bearing a typo is in direct juxtaposition to their craft; ....which some see as ironic, a few might even see as almost funny.
Bob Uecker, the Catcher in the Wry, was a master of this humor. Clearly I am not
I honestly don't know what you're getting at here.
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If it wasn’t clear before it’s clear now that Corbin will not be a Brewer by October.
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Never a doubt. If Miser Mark wanted to spend any money, he wouldn't have gotten worst Gov. Evers to include $290 mil for a facelift to 22 yo Am Fam Field. Hold unto you sales tax asses, hey?
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Never a doubt. If Miser Mark wanted to spend any money, he wouldn't have gotten worst Gov. Evers to include $290 mil for a facelift to 22 yo Am Fam Field. Hold unto you sales tax asses, hey?
Evers should give more money to the greater Milwaukee area, we fund the rest of the state. Without us, Wisconsin is just Big Ten Arkansas
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If it wasn’t clear before it’s clear now that Corbin will not be a Brewer by October.
I mean…maybe? He still doesn’t hit free agency until after next year.
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He gowne, aina?
Corbin Burnes, the ace of the Brewers, left little doubt he was upset by the arbitration hearing that went the organization's way on Wednesday.
Corbin Burnes says the Brewers blamed him for the team not making the playoffs during his salary arbitration hearing.
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Astros, Rockies, Pirates (especially them) are in potentially a lot of trouble. I don’t know how/where the Pirates make up $60 million this season (assuming they can find a streaming/distribution platform to make up the difference). The Sinclair day of reckoning is coming.
The 10 teams with no Sinclair/WB partnership: White Sox, Red Sox, Orioles, Nats, Mets, Phillies, A’s, Giants, Blue Jays, Dodgers.
Could be A LOT of sellers from the 20 other teams this summer. Small market teams especially are going to feel the pain.
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I watched a half inning of baseball today and what a pleasant surprise.
Every pitch except one was thrown in under 12 seconds - the majority were under 10 seconds. Last year, with guys stepping out between every pitch and pitchers stepping off the rubber or throwing to 1st base, it was over 20 seconds a pitch.
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I watched a half inning of baseball today and what a pleasant surprise.
Every pitch except one was thrown in under 12 seconds - the majority were under 10 seconds. Last year, with guys stepping out between every pitch and pitchers stepping off the rubber or throwing to 1st base, it was over 20 seconds a pitch.
I saw something today that said so far the average game length is down 23 minutes, which is amazing
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Watched it last year at minor league games. Really moves things along.
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Went to the Brewers spring training game yesterday. First pirchnif the game for the Brewers was a called strike against Blackmon, as he was taking his sweet time walking up to the box.
It was noticeable how much quicker the first 6 innings went. Once the guys with high numbers and no names on their jerseys came in, the game slowed down a lot, since they were getting killed.
Was talking to a minor league coach, he says that base runners are going to try to draw throws, so they can get a bigger lead after 2 throw overs. Crew picked off 2 runners. Stolen base is back in play, the new base size looks like a pizza box.
Didn't notice the new shift rules have any impact yesterday, but it's nice not having an infielder playing rover like it's beer league softball. The coach I was talking too said that Tellez is a top 5 guy that will benefit from no shift, so that's encouraging.
As a baseball purist, I like the changes.
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Sounds like fun, Ziggy. I hope you are getting some coaching ideas.
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Sounds like fun, Ziggy. I hope you are getting some coaching ideas.
He's put on some camps in our area, he's a great hitting coach. And relates to young players, it's good for them to hear new voices!
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I don't know that this qualifies as an exoneration (probably not), but MLB isn't imposing any discipline on Mike Clevinger.
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Southland Conference ump got suspended for this horrendous strike call. Good!
https://twitter.com/11point7/status/1634545884921774081
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Southland Conference ump got suspended for this horrendous strike call. Good!
https://twitter.com/11point7/status/1634545884921774081
Hand it to the catcher who calmed the batter down there. That whole thing was ridiculous.
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Southland Conference ump got suspended for this horrendous strike call. Good!
https://twitter.com/11point7/status/1634545884921774081
I saw this story last night. Really stunning. Umpire should be fired from any future NCAA work. That was so egregious. What a complete thin skinned a-hole.
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Even Angel Hernandez could have gotten that call right.
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I found out about it when one of my fellow youth-league umpires sent it to me.
I joked that if he were my partner and had called that strike, I'd have taken the bat and smashed him with it.
I will say the player overreacted to the previous strike call. It might have been a hair low, but it was right over the middle of the plate; we've all seen hundreds or more like that called. But to retaliate with that next call ... what a loser that ump is.
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Even Angel Hernandez could have gotten that call right.
Doubtful
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Look up Eric Gregg in the 1997 playoffs sometime. He makes the guy in the Southland game look like a Hall of Famer.
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Hand it to the catcher who calmed the batter down there. That whole thing was ridiculous.
Yea that was big of him. But I saw a freeze frame of their bench and it was all mouth open disbelief. It may have benefited them but they all knew it was complete and utter trash. The fact that the game was essentially over helped the sportsmanship I imagine.
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From The Athletic:
It was a beautiful night for the World Baseball Classic until it wasn’t. Puerto Rico topped the Dominican Republic, 5-2, in the final game of pool play amid a raucous crowd in Miami. After closing out the win, Edwin Díaz — whom the Mets just gave the richest contract ever for a reliever — crumpled to the ground with a leg injury suffered while celebrating. Yeesh.
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Edwin Diaz torn patellar tendon, out for the year.
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In contrast to Diaz, on the positives of the WBC...
The grandson of a good business associate and friend is in the DBacks farm system, just finished a year in Rookie Ball in AZ. Unique because he's the first Orthodox Jewish player to ever be drafted.
So, he was selected for Team Israel for the WBC. He's an intriguing prospect, but he's only 19 so he was mostly selected to gain experience and some seasoning. He was excited to get to spend time with and learn from Dean Kremer, and getting the call from Ian Kinsler was cool. They planned to get him some run in the exhibition games leading up to the WBC.
But, semi-unexpectantly, he got the start against the DR on Wed night. Barely 10 starts in the minors and you're on the rubber against Machado and Soto. But the kid DEALT. Gave up 2H and an ER in 2 innings. But struck out Machado, struck out Gary Sanchez, and struck out WS MVP Jeremy Pena. Really cool stuff. Great family and a good kid. Also, in the highlights below, he gets an amazing look of respect from Soto after a fastball.
https://twitter.com/ILBaseball/status/1635797829401874433?s=20
Also the power and joy of grandkids. His grandfather is a really nice guy. But kind of the stereotype of a grumpy old NYC Jewish guy. "How's business?" "hrumph, grumble gumble". But talk baseball and Jacob? Lights up like a Broadway marquee.
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I’m sure there are plenty of positives to this exhibition tournament, but if I’m an owner paying these salaries, I don’t want any of my top 20 guys playing in it.
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How are the ratings for this? I get what MLB is doing but are a lot of people watching this? My guess is the NCAA is going to rout this.
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How are the ratings for this? I get what MLB is doing but are a lot of people watching this? My guess is the NCAA is going to rout this.
Couple hundred thousand a game. The US games don't do terribly, but obviously the NCAA will boat race it.
GB vs USA on Sat did slightly better ratings than the BE Championship game, for reference.
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Look up Eric Gregg in the 1997 playoffs sometime. He makes the guy in the Southland game look like a Hall of Famer.
Or Don Deckinger in the 1985 World Series.
Guy was blind as can be.
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Jim Joyce says 'hi'.
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Jim Joyce says 'hi'.
At least Jim Joyce owned up to his mistake!
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Fair point. To build on it, there was nothing but class all around from the principals involved.
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My feelings on the WBC are incredibly indifferent. That being said, I happened to pop up on the game right as Trae Turner came up to bat in the 8th and the grand slam was awesome.
On the complete other end of the spectrum Altuve most likely fractured his hand on a HBP. I wonder how these types of injuries will factor into future contract clauses a la the Jay Williams motorcycle clause.
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If you need to do the WBC every 3 years, why not hold it in warm-weather climates in, say, early December?
That way, if someone does get hurt, he has time to recover by the spring or summer. Or even just the wear-and-tear thing ... instead of squeezing in this tournament after a couple weeks of spring training and right before the season starts, give players a couple months to recover from the past season and a couple months to rest again until spring training. It's not as if most athletes aren't working out all year long anyway.
In that respect, it would be kind of like NBA players participating in the Olympics in August every 4 years.
Yes, any athlete can get hurt any time. Ballplayers can get hurt in spring-training exhibitions, in the batting cage, riding a motorcycle, whenever.
But it's still hard for me to wrap my head around why any owner would want his 9-figure ballplayer to take part in something that's highly competitive (but that doesn't really "count") right before the new season starts.
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Well, I'm not sure doing it when players should be recovering is a good idea. Especially pitchers.
And the ratings would be bad going against the NFL and college football.
The best time to do it would be to take a month off during the season, but that's not going to happen either.
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You're probably right about the offseason being a bad time for pitchers to recover, Sultan. There really is no good time, especially for pitchers.
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I think that deep down the Tigers were hoping Miggie would find a way to heroically get injured.
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You're probably right about the offseason being a bad time for pitchers to recover, Sultan. There really is no good time, especially for pitchers.
Back in my day , pitchers had 40 starts, regularly pitched 300 innings, and had off season jobs. Kids these days
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And pitched no hitters on LSD.
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Cards players go 1-7 in the WBC title game, including a crucial double play by Goldschmidt. Thanks Cards!
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Cards players go 1-7 in the WBC title game, including a crucial double play by Goldschmidt. Thanks Cards!
That’s what happens when Yadi isn’t around to lead them
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I have no doubt MLB will somehow fail to capitalize on this and not market Ohtani properly. What an absolutely preposterous baseball player he is.
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Ohtani is incredible, let me start there.
He also has had 2 full seasons in the major leagues.
So the notion that he already is an all-time great, as some excitable folks are claiming in the aftermath of the WBC, is wild.
Now, he might be in that conversation one day, and today I certainly could see him being called the most unique ballplayer.
And he’s must-see TV; I’m not even a big fan of the WBC, but I tuned in last night for one reason.
But can’t we see if he can do this for at least 4-5 years before we put him on Mount Olympus with Ruth, Mays, Koufax and Aaron?
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Ohtani is incredible, let me start there.
He also has had 2 full seasons in the major leagues.
So the notion that he already is an all-time great, as some excitable folks are claiming in the aftermath of the WBC, is wild.
Now, he might be in that conversation one day, and today I certainly could see him being called the most unique ballplayer.
And he’s must-see TV; I’m not even a big fan of the WBC, but I tuned in last night for one reason.
But can’t we see if he can do this for at least 4-5 years before we put him on Mount Olympus with Ruth, Mays, Koufax and Aaron?
I don't think he's on Mount Olympus, obviously, but its a completely fair conversation to discuss his peak as it pertains to the greats. Not a career obviously, but the best thats ever done it for a period of time. I think he's had an all time great 12 months.
In 2 full seasons,
Hitting: Averaged .265/.555/.920 (151 OPS+), 40 HRs, 97 RBIs, and almost 20 SB. Total oWAR of 8.4
Pitching: Averaged Sub 2.75 ERA, ERA+ of 156, 188 SOs to only 44 BBs, 1.05 WHIP. Total WAR of 10.3
That is just absolutely mindblowing. His ERA+ is up there with Kershaw and DeGrom's career numbers, he's close to leading the league in both HRs and SOs AT THE SAME TIME. Its just unheard of. Last night just added to the hype and legend. I know you aren't arguing how good he is, but as much as I think buzz can be overdone, I totally get it with him.
He could just as easily get hurt and/or fall off as continue to go nuts, but I don't think any hype or speculation about him right now is off base. He's arguably just entering his prime at 28.
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Ohtani is the most skilled player to ever walk on an MLB field.
But he has many years to go before he can be called the greatest ever to play the game. If he stays healthy and does this for 10 more years, then yes.
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Cards players go 1-7 in the WBC title game, including a crucial double play by Goldschmidt. Thanks Cards!
Should have just sent more Phillies, tbh.
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Is Jon Smoltz starting to get on anybody's nerves? I have always thought he was one of the smarter analysts, but his attitudes are really turning me off. A couple examples:
1. He refuses to use modern terminology. A good example is 'exit velocity'. He talks all the time about hitting the ball hard but will never talk about exit velocity. I would go so far as to say that he has that arrogant Cardinal's Way attitude.
2. I thought he was very disrespectful to the Japanese team. Among other things, he kept using terms like 'this hitter' or 'this pitcher' as though he didn't respect them enough to use their actual names. Never talked about their Japanese League stats or Major League equivalencies for those stats
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Wags and Jockey - I think we mostly agree on all the Ohtani stuff. He’s definitely the best thing to happen to MLB in a generation - or more.
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As opening day approaches, never forget that baseball is the holiest of games, featured prominently in the Bible.
...in the big inning....
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As opening day approaches, never forget that baseball is the holiest of games, featured prominently in the Bible.
...in the big inning....
Does that mean St. Louis is the Vatican?
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No, but it is where they commit the cardinal sins.
Unless you are a Cardinal fan. Then, yes it is the vatican and they are always invoking the whole infallibility thing.
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Season opener for JV baseball last night. On the opposing team is a player who played who was a teammate of my son from ages 7-14. We were visiting with his parents who we always got along really well. One of the other moms, with a slight southern accent joins our conversation. Yadayadayada moved here from Missouri. Now for the part that matters to this thread and board.
"I haven't seen any real baseball since we left St. Louis."
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Season opener for JV baseball last night. On the opposing team is a player who played who was a teammate of my son from ages 7-14. We were visiting with his parents who we always got along really well. One of the other moms, with a slight southern accent joins our conversation. Yadayadayada moved here from Missouri. Now for the part that matters to this thread and board.
"I haven't seen any real baseball since we left St. Louis."
Is there a reason for anyone to live in St. Louis now that Yadi has retired?
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It’s opening day? Who knew?!?
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Is there a reason for anyone to live in St. Louis now that Yadi has retired?
I wish I would have typed yadiyadiyadi instead of yadayadayada.
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Season opener for JV baseball last night. On the opposing team is a player who played who was a teammate of my son from ages 7-14. We were visiting with his parents who we always got along really well. One of the other moms, with a slight southern accent joins our conversation. Yadayadayada moved here from Missouri. Now for the part that matters to this thread and board.
"I haven't seen any real baseball since we left St. Louis."
Maybe she hasn"t been to a West Michigan Whitecaps game yet? Or Michigan State? I heard Izzo waa coaching baseball this Spring. Maybe there's a chance now that Bakich left for Clemson.
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Someone is going to have 80 stolen bases this year. Watching Braves/Nats, Acuna worked Corbin perfectly to have him throw over twice. After he couldn’t throw over any more, Acuna immediately took off and easily stole second.
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Burnes not worth that extra 750k.
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Someone is going to have 80 stolen bases this year. Watching Braves/Nats, Acuna worked Corbin perfectly to have him throw over twice. After he couldn’t throw over any more, Acuna immediately took off and easily stole second.
Sounds great. Make some money off that bet.
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Brewers picking up right where they left off last season. Crap hitting. Crap defense. Mediocre pitching.
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Someone is going to have 80 stolen bases this year. Watching Braves/Nats, Acuna worked Corbin perfectly to have him throw over twice. After he couldn’t throw over any more, Acuna immediately took off and easily stole second.
I agree. There are quite a few guys that can do it. I’d put my money on Mateo or Ruiz.
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This thread is going to turn into a MU game thread after one game this year isn't it? One game into the season and we're done with the Brewers already.
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This thread is going to turn into a MU game thread after one game this year isn't it? One game into the season and we're done with the Brewers already.
You must be new here
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This thread is going to turn into a MU game thread after one game this year isn't it? One game into the season and we're done with the Brewers already.
Big enough sample size for some.
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Jose Abreu in an Astros uniform is gross.
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I agree. There are quite a few guys that can do it. I’d put my money on Mateo or Ruiz.
I have Mateo at 30-1 to lead MLB in SB’s. 🤞
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This thread is going to turn into a MU game thread after one game this year isn't it? One game into the season and we're done with the Brewers already.
We're all Cubbies fans anyway, right?
Great home opener today. Wonderful walk home after the game.
More stretch limos trying to work their way through my neighborhood than I've ever seen (moved here during the pandemic).
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Comparing 2023 to 2022:
Average opening day game time dropped 31 minutes.
Stolen base attempts more than doubled.
Hits per game increased by 2.4 per game.
Singles and triples all increased as HR went down.
Less dead time and more baseball action. Win/win.
Obviously a small sample size comparing the two opening days. Will be interesting to see these trends as the sample size gets larger.
Stats were from The Athletic.
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We're all Cubbies fans anyway,
Oh HELL NO!
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Oh HELL NO!
^^^^^^Dropped on his head^^^^^^
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I have Mateo at 30-1 to lead MLB in SB’s. 🤞
Through the first 3 calendar days of the season, stolen bases have almost tripled.
Success rate with the new rules is up to 88% as opposed to 65% last year over the same period. I expect that to continue based on 3 factors.
1. Larger bases
2. Pitcher throws to 1st base are limited.
3. Pitch clock. Runners can time their jump as clock runs down and pitcher’s concentration is on the clock rather than the runner.
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Do we like the increased stolen bases? I'm a fan personally...but an 88% success rate does seem a touch high. Teams will need to figure out a new way to keep runners in check
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Do we like the increased stolen bases? I'm a fan personally...but an 88% success rate does seem a touch high. Teams will need to figure out a new way to keep runners in check
After the second pickoff attempt, is there any reason for a runner to not start going to second base immediately. Is the only worry a pitchout?
It just seems like basically an automatic stolen base, which is the part I don’t like. I liked it better when it was almost a 50/50 proposition. Made it a true risky strategy.
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Do we like the increased stolen bases? I'm a fan personally...but an 88% success rate does seem a touch high. Teams will need to figure out a new way to keep runners in check
Baseball was my first love and I played it into my 20s. Personally, I love all the changes. Faster games, more emphasis on speed, contact and athletic ability, less on raw power.
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After the second pickoff attempt, is there any reason for a runner to not start going to second base immediately. Is the only worry a pitchout?
It just seems like basically an automatic stolen base, which is the part I don’t like. I liked it better when it was almost a 50/50 proposition. Made it a true risky strategy.
I believe if you try for a third pickoff and get the out, there is no penalty. But if you go for the third pickoff and don’t get the out, the runner automatically advances.
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I believe if you try for a third pickoff and get the out, there is no penalty. But if you go for the third pickoff and don’t get the out, the runner automatically advances.
Ah. That makes sense. Thanks!
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Its Royals and that needs to be said.
But I do like the potential of the twins pitching. Its nice for once having a starting rotation where you can at least be confident in all 5 guys. And a good late game reliever core.
Offense is very questionable and Pagan needs to be fired into the sun though.
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Do the Brewers have the best offense in baseball?
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So....maybe opening day was too soon to write off the Brewers?
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https://twitter.com/PrazMaster/status/1643084744354156545?t=yMcUyODLFG2huD1uaNJrUw&s=19
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https://twitter.com/PrazMaster/status/1643084744354156545?t=yMcUyODLFG2huD1uaNJrUw&s=19
Isn’t that an usher that walks by right at the end?
I don’t know that I’ll ever go to an Opening Day Brewers game.
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https://twitter.com/PrazMaster/status/1643084744354156545?t=yMcUyODLFG2huD1uaNJrUw&s=19
Hahaha, well done Rico!
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Hahaha, well done Rico!
As drunk as I’ve been at Country and the Keg through the years, I’ve managed to never urinate outside a bathroom. Never hurled at a game, either. Have to question my commitment to the team
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oops, the Cardinal way is under attack: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36069257/ex-cardinals-vp-terry-mcdonough-accuses-owner-cheating
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oops, the Cardinal way is under attack: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36069257/ex-cardinals-vp-terry-mcdonough-accuses-owner-cheating
You do understand that the St. Louis Cardinals and the Arizona Cardinals are two different teams in two different sports?
But I still blame Yadi.
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oops, the Cardinal way is under attack: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36069257/ex-cardinals-vp-terry-mcdonough-accuses-owner-cheating
🤡
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You do understand that the St. Louis Cardinals and the Arizona Cardinals are two different teams in two different sports?
But I still blame Yadi.
exactly, guilt by association
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Twins with one of the more embarrassingly awful game plans against the reigning Cy Young ive ever seen.
It was basically throw out your worst possible lineup and then swing at everything so that the Marlins dont even have to consider warming up the bullpen.
Correa the veteran leading the charge with that awful approach. 2 outs on 3 pitches. Then a 3 pitch K all swinging.
Sucks cause this is the one season where the Twins have the pitching to go to a pitchers duel. Maeda with a great return from TJ
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Back to back to back off Scherzer for the Crew
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Crew appears to be back to ‘18 sign stealing.
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Back to back to back off Scherzer for the Crew
Impossible. I was informed on opening day that the Brewers had crap offense. ;D
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Do the Brewers have the best offense in baseball?
Yes.
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Impossible. I was informed on opening day that the Brewers had crap offense. ;D
Don’t worry, the next losing streak, you’ll get told that again
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Don’t worry, the next losing streak, you’ll get told that again
Next Losing streak?
I think you meant next loss.
Doesn’t matter though. Celtics are so good they’ll win the NBA title and the World Series.
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For the first time this season, I watched a few innings of a ballgame (Dodgers-Rockies) last night. The effects of the rule changes were evident and appreciated.
It was great that the pitcher didn't screw around on the mound and that the batter was ready to step in, time after time after time. Loved it. Even at-bats that stretched to 7, 8, 9 pitches were faster than 3- or 4-pitch at-bats used to be. There were no stolen base attempts but the action still prevailed.
Game time ended up being 2:25. So much better watching experience IMHO.
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For the first time this season, I watched a few innings of a ballgame (Dodgers-Rockies) last night. The effects of the rule changes were evident and appreciated.
It was great that the pitcher didn't screw around on the mound and that the batter was ready to step in, time after time after time. Loved it. Even at-bats that stretched to 7, 8, 9 pitches were faster than 3- or 4-pitch at-bats used to be. There were no stolen base attempts but the action still prevailed.
Game time ended up being 2:25. So much better watching experience IMHO.
Twins got Alcantara'd last night. And basically didnt even try to work a count the entire game.
It ended 1-0 Marlins and finished in sub 2 hours. Insane.
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Twins got Alcantara'd last night. And basically didnt even try to work a count the entire game.
It ended 1-0 Marlins and finished in sub 2 hours. Insane.
You don’t work the count on strike throwers. It just means you will be in the hole in almost every at- bat. Stats are easy to find on how BA goes way down when hitters are behind in the count.
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At my first MLB game of the year. Nationals-Rays. Beautiful day for baseball. Ahhhhhhhh.
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At my first MLB game of the year. Nationals-Rays. Beautiful day for baseball. Ahhhhhhhh.
Even if we didn't know you were in DC, wouldn't even have to look to see the Nats were at home cause that has never been said by anyone in Trop Field.
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At my first MLB game of the year. Nationals-Rays. Beautiful day for baseball. Ahhhhhhhh.
Enjoy. I's love to be there with you.
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Something magic about a warm sunny day at the ballpark.
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You don’t work the count on strike throwers. It just means you will be in the hole in almost every at- bat. Stats are easy to find on how BA goes way down when hitters are behind in the count.
Yeah, incorrect.
Alcantara throws "strikes" because his pitches are nasty and he gets swinging strikes. He also has one of the two best pitches in the game with his change up that is near unhittable.
You dont go up there trying to ambush a guy with his pitches. Sit fastball and try to square one up early?? Sure, can do that a bit.
But swinging out of fear of being down 0-1 just gets you.......down 0-1. And continuing to chase against this guy. Or it creates one pitch pop outs on weak contact.
Alcantara isnt a innings limit guy. Hes going to throw 100 pitches. So continuing into the 5th inning to keep doing something that isnt working and having 4 pitch innings is a strategy no competent baseball mind would take.
He was always going to go 7 this game. Twins lineup is to weak(in current state at least) and hes too good. But they went with an approach that insured he goes 9 without breaking a sweat. Gave the themselves no chance to go at the pen.
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Better trade Burnes before he loses all his trade value.
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Better trade Burnes before he loses all his trade value.
Good thing the front office held firm. Going to complain about the business side of sports? Don’t lay an egg right after
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Alcantara and Luzardo get 100 pitches each.
Lopez for Twins gets pulled after 86 pitches when he just struck out the side and had allowed 1 hit in his last 6 innings of work.
Classic Baldelli failure. Marlins immediately score 4. He cant feel out a game.
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Walk off winner Garrett Mitchell
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Brewers are the best team of all time. Celtics better watch out or they'll come for the preordained NBA Finals title too
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Brewers are the best team of all time. Celtics better watch out or they'll come for the preordained NBA Finals title too
It’s clear after 6 games they’re the best team since the 1903 Red Sox
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A cerebral move by CC putting Burnes out there to lose the season opener on purpose. Now they won't have the undefeated monkey on their back all season and can coast into the divisional round with a 161-1 record.
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Alcantara and Luzardo get 100 pitches each.
Lopez for Twins gets pulled after 86 pitches when he just struck out the side and had allowed 1 hit in his last 6 innings of work.
Classic Baldelli failure. Marlins immediately score 4. He cant feel out a game.
Every pitcher is different and very few are allowed 100 pitches in thei first couple starts.
If Rocco did this in May or June, I would agree 100% with your post.
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Every pitcher is different and very few are allowed 100 pitches in thei first couple starts.
If Rocco did this in May or June, I would agree 100% with your post.
But with Lopez hes got a bit of a new arsenal, hes throwing harder and his sweeper has been elite.
Hes got to start the inning. Give him a base runner, maybe it all turns out the same because Rocco also had tunnel vision on Thielbar getting Arraez(he did) but new rules state hes also got to face the next two guys(fail).
86 extremely low stress pitches you have to give him a shot. Luzardo is younger, never hit 110 innings and had high stress innings.
Just gotta give your pitchers a chance at some point. Thats why we went out and got a good rotation for once.
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Every pitcher is different and very few are allowed 100 pitches in thei first couple starts.
If Rocco did this in May or June, I would agree 100% with your post.
And its also more just the constant fundamental problem with Rocco. I just want to see him do SOMETHING that is stictly based off how the current game is going. Everything he does is robotic pre determined of what hes told should be the outcome of a decision.
Like Trevor Larnach is objectively hitting the ball, seeing the ball etc.. better than Jose Miranda or really any other Twin. He batted 8th yesterday because left on left. Miranda looks brutal and keeps hitting clean up.
At some point you have to notice a guy who had a good spring and so far through 6 games is having great AB after AB and say "ya know what left on left cannot be the be all end all".
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But with Lopez hes got a bit of a new arsenal, hes throwing harder and his sweeper has been elite.
Hes got to start the inning. Give him a base runner, maybe it all turns out the same because Rocco also had tunnel vision on Thielbar getting Arraez(he did) but new rules state hes also got to face the next two guys(fail).
86 extremely low stress pitches you have to give him a shot. Luzardo is younger, never hit 110 innings and had high stress innings.
Just gotta give your pitchers a chance at some point. Thats why we went out and got a good rotation for once.
Even though I challenge you on some of this stuff, I agree with your overall point. The guy is a bad manager. Close to Tony LaRussa with the Sox bad.
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The Twinkies are off to a good start. Maybe just try to enjoy an inning or two of the 162 game season, rather than questioning why something different wasn't done every pitch of every game.
I don't think 6 games into the season is time to start scratching your lineup. Especially when you're 4-2.
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Even though I challenge you on some of this stuff, I agree with your overall point. The guy is a bad manager. Close to Tony LaRussa with the Sox bad.
Yeah 100% get it that some of the game to game scenarios can be argued , just as a diehard fan I get to see it all in a vacuum and its frustrating.
I am hoping to your point though that come May and June stuff like this at least will stop. Im hopeful that a pretty veteran staff will not allow it(Gray already very vocal).
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In their last 42 innings, the White Sox have given up 43 runs.
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In their last 42 innings, the White Sox have given up 43 runs.
Classic Chicago bend dont break defense
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In their last 42 innings, the White Sox have given up 43 runs.
La Russa: “I guess that’s my fault, too, mothereffers.”
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Appears the Cardinals are lost at sea without Yadi.
The good news for them is, baseball is a season with many peaks and valleys and they have a lot of talented players on the roster. Most of which won’t skip games to see a minor league basketball championship.
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Not sure whats more drastic
How good the Twins starters are or how rancid Carlos Correa is
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Ohtani ended today’s game by grounding out weakly with the bases loaded.
He’s human. Who knew?
(He also homered in the game. He’s good.)
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Win or lose. Thats what you have to do against Dylan Cease.
Bad White Sox D really helped. But Twins with their D lineup had a great approach today. As good as Cease is he led the league in walks for a reason last year. Make him work, and swing at good pitches.
Unfortunately Maeda kept spinning 80 mph sliders over the heart and Sox had 1 big inning. But Twins now have a chance to win a game against the Sox pen due to just taking good ABs.
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Win or lose. Thats what you have to do against Dylan Cease.
Bad White Sox D really helped. But Twins with their D lineup had a great approach today. As good as Cease is he led the league in walks for a reason last year. Make him work, and swing at good pitches.
Unfortunately Maeda kept spinning 80 mph sliders over the heart and Sox had 1 big inning. But Twins now have a chance to win a game against the Sox pen due to just taking good ABs.
NVM cant score.
Rocco strikes again.
Wallner leading off the 8th against Bummer. He uses Buxton to pinch hit. Knowing full well that if anyone gets on base Taylor(worst hitter in MLB) is due up 4th and will be required to bat.
Well, Castro gets beaned and gets to third with 2 outs. So Sox bring in Lopez to face Taylor. As expected, K.
You just cant have a total incompetent idiot running a baseball team.
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Lopez has been fu cking incredible.
The added velo and devloping that sweeper has really helped.
Just gotta figure out the first inning woes(was a problem last year) which are his only 3 runs so far.
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NVM cant score.
Rocco strikes again.
Wallner leading off the 8th against Bummer. He uses Buxton to pinch hit. Knowing full well that if anyone gets on base Taylor(worst hitter in MLB) is due up 4th and will be required to bat.
Well, Castro gets beaned and gets to third with 2 outs. So Sox bring in Lopez to face Taylor. As expected, K.
You just cant have a total incompetent idiot running a baseball team.
Would the Twinkies ever lose a game if Baldelli wasn’t their manager?
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Would the Twinkies ever lose a game if Baldelli wasn’t their manager?
Yes, but they would win the worst division in baseball running away.
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Cubs down 7-0 to Seattle in the 2nd inning, come back to take the lead in the 3rd and end up winning 14-9. Certainly a flawed team that will need a lot to go right to stay competitive but there's talent and depth there. Definitely a different feel about this team so far. Really tough schedule coming up the last few weeks of April, though, so we'll see how they come of that.
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Would the Twinkies ever lose a game if Baldelli wasn’t their manager?
Since you asked I'll alert you to the next Baldelli decision.
Nick Gordon batting clean up today.....he has like 4 hits all year and a OPS of .320 and hes utility bench player if we are healthy
Trevor Larnach and his .420 OBP and 11 game(all 11 games) on base streak batting 6th.
Hes bat sh it nuts.
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https://nypost.com/2023/04/12/phillies-fans-toss-garbage-at-each-other-on-1-hot-dog-night/
Can you imagine if it were a dollar beer night?
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So, Corbin Burnes seemed to have bounced back a bit.
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So, Corbin Burnes seemed to have bounced back a bit.
He needs to be an ace for the next month
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Fun stat of the day, since the Rockies traded away Arenado and signed Kris Bryant, Arenado has hit 3 more HRs than Bryant at Coors Field. Coincidentally, Arenado has only hit 3 home runs at Coors field since being traded from the rockies.
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Twins craft a real batting order with guys hitting in their right places
All time inning at our house of horrors.
Julien will be here to stay.
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As we all predicted before the season, Rays are 13-0.
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Twins gave up a solo shot in the bottom of the 9th. Fire Baldelli
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Jacy Baez yanked from game for running the bases like a dope.
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As we all predicted before the season, Rays are 13-0.
free george webbs?
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Jacy Baez yanked from game for running the bases like a dope.
I'll always be a big fan of Javy and KB but the Cubs not extending either of those guys is looking pretty good right now.
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Winning two against the Yanks.
Wow
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Winning two against the Yanks.
Wow
Well, it’s not October
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Well, it’s not October
Twins dont beat them any month in the Bronx. So ill take it
Predictably getting mowed down by Cole today though
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Red Sox beat Angels 2-1 in first sub-2-hour game at Fenway in several decades. Trout and Ohtani combine to go 0-for-8.
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Twins finally get elite top end pitching but the rest of the team sucks. Go figure. Scraps of the bullpen and literally 90% of the position players.
Looked like the White Sox on D tonight.
Cant even blame Rocco. He managed this game well. Some may blame him for using Moran but FO has a guy with no control on the roster and the Sox had 400 lefties coming up.
AL Central might be the first to 81 wins.
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UGGHHHHHHHH
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Week later and comment stands.
Twins ptiching really good. Hitting mostly bad but some better games lately. AL Central complete trash.
If bats can get just to like league average the Lopez/Gray/Ryan trio plus the back end of that pen should have the Twins winning this division.
Losing 2 to the Nats and winning 2 against the Yanks is the story of the inconsistent bats so far.
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I had low expectations for this year’s White Sox team, but they’re even underachieving my low expectations. This is a bad, disinterested baseball team.
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I had low expectations for this year’s White Sox team, but they’re even underachieving my low expectations. This is a bad, disinterested baseball team.
I hate to say it but looks like a 100 loss season. And that's not the bad news.
JR will bring everyone back next year. That's what hurts.
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Appears the Cardinals are lost at sea without Yadi.
The good news for them is, baseball is a season with many peaks and valleys and they have a lot of talented players on the roster. Most of which won’t skip games to see a minor league basketball championship.
Really disgusted with this season so far. The Cardinals should be a much better team than they're showing. The hitting and defense this team has should make up for average to below average pitching. I'm optimistic that when Hudson and Wainwright are fully back, the ship might right itself. Flaherty is going to have to be a true number one and someone in the bullpen is actually going to have to get an out.
Looks like the 1970 Cardinals. Just can't quite get there!
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Even in his worst start of the season (6 IP, 5 ER), Otani nearly made history in the Angels’ 8-7 win over the A’s yesterday.
He hit a single, double and triple, and he came just a few feet away from becoming the first pitcher to hit for the cycle, as his eighth-inning shot was caught at the warning track.
For the season, Ohtani is 4-0 with a 1.85 ERA, and he has an .868 OPS, with 6 HR and 17 RBI.
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Even in his worst start of the season (6 IP, 5 ER), Otani nearly made history in the Angels’ 8-7 win over the A’s yesterday.
He hit a single, double and triple, and he came just a few feet away from becoming the first pitcher to hit for the cycle, as his eighth-inning shot was caught at the warning track.
For the season, Ohtani is 4-0 with a 1.85 ERA, and he has an .868 OPS, with 6 HR and 17 RBI.
He's incredible. As far as advanced stats have come in baseball, there still isn't an accurate way to measure his value. Having a top 10 batter and a top 10 pitcher rolled into one player has so many trickle down benefits to a team it makes your head spin. LAA is able to go with a 6 man rotation which keeps their pitchers fresher and allows them to pitch young starters and guys with innings limits later into the year. By pitching and batting, he literally creates an extra roster spot that can be filled with a pitching specialist or a batter who can be a part-time player with extreme splits.
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He's incredible. As far as advanced stats have come in baseball, there still isn't an accurate way to measure his value. Having a top 10 batter and a top 10 pitcher rolled into one player has so many trickle down benefits to a team it makes your head spin. LAA is able to go with a 6 man rotation which keeps their pitchers fresher and allows them to pitch young starters and guys with innings limits later into the year. By pitching and batting, he literally creates an extra roster spot that can be filled with a pitching specialist or a batter who can be a part-time player with extreme splits.
And yet all the Angels have done is suck. It's obviously not Ohtani's fault, but all the value he has provided, all the fresh pitching, all the roster spots he's opened ... none of it has helped them win. I can see why he's frustrated, if reports are accurate. Maybe this will be the year.
I totally get what you're saying about not really being able to measure his true value. I think we'll see a "measure" after the season when some team gives him the largest contract in North American sports history!
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Lance Lynn had a no hitter vs Tampa to start the 7th, Sox up 3-0.
Bottom 7 now, 10-3 Tampa.
White Sox 2023 baseball!
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Lance Lynn had a no hitter vs Tampa to start the 7th, Sox up 3-0.
Bottom 7 now, 10-3 Tampa.
White Sox 2023 baseball!
What a fall from potential glory.
Sorry, dish.
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Lance Lynn had a no hitter vs Tampa to start the 7th, Sox up 3-0.
Bottom 7 now, 10-3 Tampa.
White Sox 2023 baseball!
The Sox's stats through 28 games are almost exactly the same as the Orioles team that lost 115 games.
I could be wrong but having fans chant "Sell The Team" in April is not a good look.
It will be "fun" to watch them when they officially start tanking and unload most of the $160M payroll.
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The Sox are a team that refuses to spend money - they deserve to be where they are.
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The Sox are a team that refuses to spend money - they deserve to be where they are.
They are #12 in payroll ahead of the Red Sox and Cubs. Maybe should be top five based on market but not too bad.
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They are #12 in payroll ahead of the Red Sox and Cubs. Maybe should be top five based on market but not too bad.
The largest deal they have ever signed was $75 mil. EVERY other team In MLB - except The A’s have signed larger deals.
So it is no surprise that the A’s and Sox have the worst records in baseball.
Jerry thinks he can take his money with him when he dies.
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The largest deal they have ever signed was $75 mil. EVERY other team In MLB - except The A’s have signed larger deals.
So it is no surprise that the A’s and Sox have the worst records in baseball.
Jerry thinks he can take his money with him when he dies.
I am no fan of JR. I hope he sells.
But there facts are that they spend top half of MLB in salary. They spend $130M more than the A's. $100M more than the Rays.
I guess they should follow the highly successful Angles model and have a couple of massive contracts?
The way I see it, they have a really bad front office that doesn't know how to spend the adequate budget they are given. That is JR's fault.
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They give a lot of mid-range contracts to mediocre players. A recipe for disaster.
Combine that with an utter lack of player development or commitment to the Minor Leagues and they have no chance.
That was the Cubs model for decades of losing until they realized that maybe the Dodgers and Cardinals had a good idea with player development.
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They give a lot of mid-range contracts to mediocre players. A recipe for disaster.
Combine that with an utter lack of player development or commitment to the Minor Leagues and they have no chance.
That was the Cubs model for decades of losing until they realized that maybe the Dodgers and Cardinals had a good idea with player development.
I agree!
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Saw the Miami Marlins close out their series with the Cubs.
Never saw such sloppy outfield play as I did with the Marlins today. Their outfield is crappy and cost them at least two runs.
Also: You so Marlin if your starter turns over a 3-2 lead in the sixth inning and your reliever gives up a home run on his third pitch. And yet, the Marlins won.
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Rocco Baldelli just isnt cut out for this sport.
Joe Ryan is absolutely dealing. Sox cant square anything up all game. Because Tim Anderson has a 12 pitch AB to walk(immediately a DP to end the inning) he yanks Ryan with 87 pitches. Lopez blows the game.
News flash, its been a thing in baseball for years. When a full lineup cannot hit a guy you dont bail them out and let them face a new pitcher for no damn reason.
Boone gave the Guardians a game yesterday with an equally awful move.
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Doesn't take much to be a Cardinals Hall of Famer.
David Freese, who had a whale of a 2011 postseason and an excellent 2012 NLDS but otherwise was meh in 5 seasons under the arch, was just inducted. Woo-hoo!
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Doesn't take much to be a Cardinals Hall of Famer.
David Freese, who had a whale of a 2011 postseason and an excellent 2012 NLDS but otherwise was meh in 5 seasons under the arch, was just inducted. Woo-hoo!
Eh. Team Hall of Fame. Produced one of the biggest moments in team history. I think it’s fine. He’ll probably be drunk there, though
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Eh. Team Hall of Fame. Produced one of the biggest moments in team history. I think it’s fine. He’ll probably be drunk there, though
Sure. It's "fine." I'm not gonna protest it or anything. I'm sure the dozens who admire his bust after induction will be thrilled!
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Doesn't take much to be a Cardinals Hall of Famer.
David Freese, who had a whale of a 2011 postseason and an excellent 2012 NLDS but otherwise was meh in 5 seasons under the arch, was just inducted. Woo-hoo!
Lol. Seems like a bit of an odd thing to complain about. That’s sportswriters and sports media for ya. The committee consists of 11 sportswriters/sports media, and 3 former managers. They select the names and fans vote. They usually also select one long past era person for induction without a fan vote. There are also occasional organization selections without a fan vote.
There are 53 members. 21 of them are MLB Hall of Famers who were either inducted as a Cardinal, or who played there longer than anywhere else.
That’s what team hall of fames are for, to celebrate some players and personnel who are not necessarily in the MLB HOF. The most popular Cardinal of the past several decades for example, is in it. (Willie McGee) and their most underrated player, Ray Lankford. They offer some free events that fans seem to enjoy, as well as some money makers. There is a large team charity (Cardinals Care) component to it.
David Freese wasn’t a difficult choice for them.
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Bart Starr's back up is in the Packers Hall of Fame.
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Eh. Team Hall of Fame. Produced one of the biggest moments in team history. I think it’s fine. He’ll probably be drunk there, though
Drinking and driving is never a good thing. And it’s never not existed anywhere I’ve lived or spent time, even in less car culture places such as NYC or DC or wherever. It’s a shame.
https://www.si.com/.amp/mlb/2013/04/16/yovani-gallardo-brewers-arrested-dui
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2017/07/21/ex-firefighter-gets-10-years-drunken-driving-crash-killed-2-after-brewers-opener/497973001/
https://www.fox6now.com/news/woman-accused-in-fatal-wrong-way-head-on-crash-after-brewers-game-enters-not-guilty-plea.amp
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Bush_(baseball)
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Man, imagine how sad your defense of St. Louis has to be to Google "Milwaukee Brewers drunk driving" or something similar.
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Can someone with photoshopping skills please photoshop the "Batman beam" but have it be the St. Louis Arch instead of batman?
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Man, imagine how sad your defense of St. Louis has to be to Google "Milwaukee Brewers drunk driving" or something similar.
Nah. I didn't and I wouldn't defend drunk driving in any of the places I've lived or spent time. I'm also not going to single out places for irrarional dislike due to tribal sports reasons. I don't do that for Milwaukee, Chicago, or the many other places I've lived or spent time.
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Man, imagine how sad your defense of St. Louis has to be to Google "Milwaukee Brewers drunk driving" or something similar.
I’m not condoning what Freese did, but it’s part of the Cardinal Way
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I’m not condoning what Freese did, but it’s part of the Cardinal Way
Learned from the greatest, TLR.
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Can someone with photoshopping skills please photoshop the "Batman beam" but have it be the St. Louis Arch instead of batman?
Bonus for *Biff*, *Bam*, *Pow* graphics.
Archman: uniting wades, Rico, and ZFB on a subject. 🤣🤣
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I’m not condoning what Freese did, but it’s part of the Cardinal Way
It's apparently the Brewer Way and the way of a lot of other places too unfortunately.
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Bonus for *Biff*, *Bam*, *Pow* graphics.
Archman: uniting wades, Rico, and ZFB on a subject. 🤣🤣
Right on time.
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Right on time.
Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah, Archman!
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Learned from the greatest, TLR.
I think it’s the chapter after proper steroid masking
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I think it’s the chapter after proper steroid masking
Yes, the Ryan Braun chapter.
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Yes, the Ryan Braun chapter.
I thought you didn’t care?
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Yes, the Ryan Braun chapter.
The difference is, I have zero problem admitting the best Brewers in recent memory have used PEDs. Braun? Yup. Yeli? Well, is it a coincidence he came to Milwaukee while Braun was still playing, saw his power go off the charts, signed a giant contract, saw Braun retire, and now gets an extra base hit every like 10 games? Hmm...
The guy did it right. Use PEDs, see your performance skyrocket, get paid generational money, and then stop using PEDs. You will still get paid even if you aren't producing. The only thing that'll stop the checks coming in is if you get caught. So why risk it?
It's really not a big deal. If you weren't doing PEDs, chances are you didn't make it to the MLB. But for some reason people think it was all just the pitching coach that took Jake Arrietta from a journey man to the best pitcher in baseball out of nowhere.
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I thought you didn’t care?
I pointed out that drinking and driving isn’t a good thing, and it happens everywhere I’ve ever lived or visited, Milwaukee included. No one is defending drunk driving.
Steroids has been part of baseball, every team. I didn’t defend steroid use, although I’m sure some would. And that’s a much different topic of course because doing steroids doesn’t necessarily hurt others. (Although I’ve seen my share of steroid fueled gym brawls.)
There are lots and lots of threads here that bash Milwaukee. It’s difficult to read the board without stumbling over one of them. I don’t take part in those threads and those things. I don’t do it for teams, cities, schools. It isn’t my thing. It’s your thing.
Perhaps you just don’t like accountability. Maybe that’s why you hide behind a keyboard saying things you wouldn’t otherwise say while standing next to the people.
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I pointed out that drinking and driving isn’t a good thing, and it happens everywhere I’ve ever lived or visited, Milwaukee included. No one is defending drunk driving.
Steroids has been part of baseball, every team. I didn’t defend steroid use, although I’m sure some would. And that’s a much different topic of course because doing steroids doesn’t necessarily hurt others. (Although I’ve seen my share of steroid fueled gym brawls.)
There are lots and lots of threads here that bash Milwaukee. It’s difficult to read the board without stumbling over one of them. I don’t take part in those threads and those things. I don’t do it for teams, cities, schools. It isn’t my thing. It’s your thing.
Perhaps you just don’t like accountability. Maybe that’s why you hide behind a keyboard saying things you wouldn’t otherwise say while standing next to the people.
Have you considered changing your signature to the dril tweet saying don’t print I’m mad?
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Have you considered changing your signature to the dril tweet saying don’t print I’m mad?
Lol, nah. You're projecting again. You're the one with the angst. It explains why you post the way you do. It must be exhausting.
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Lol, nah. You're projecting again. You're the one with the angst. It explains why you post the way you do. It must be exhausting.
For someone that doesn’t partake in such things, you sure have a lot to say. That has to be exhausting, no?
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Lol, nah. You're projecting again. You're the one with the angst. It explains why you post the way you do. It must be exhausting.
I'm not sure "irony" does this post justice.
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For someone that doesn’t partake in such things, you sure have a lot to say. That has to be exhausting, no?
I said I don't take part in the bashing of Milwaukee despite the plethora of threads here doing so. I expanded to say the same.about cities, teams, schools.
You just don't like being held accountable.
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I said I don't take part in the bashing of Milwaukee despite the plethora of threads here doing so. I expanded to say the same.about cities, teams, schools.
You just don't like being held accountable.
It’s very impressive, for sure, how you avoid the tribalism that permeates this board. It’s a feather in your cap.
And thank you for holding me accountable. I’ll try and avoid the tribalism that you avoid.
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It’s very impressive, for sure, how you avoid the tribalism that permeates this board. It’s a feather in your cap.
And thank you for holding me accountable. I’ll try and avoid the tribalism that you avoid.
Accountability is about incomplete or false narratives and throwing stones when living in glass houses.
We're at this point today because you tried to make a joke about drinking and driving.
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Accountability is about incomplete or false narratives and throwing stones when living in glass houses.
We're at this point today because you tried to make a joke about drinking and driving.
https://youtube.com/shorts/iyWD40X2Fa4?feature=share
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https://youtube.com/shorts/iyWD40X2Fa4?feature=share
Yes, I'm sure. We can go back if you wish.
You have 7,000 posts in 8 years. I have 1,700 in 12 years. This is what you do.
You posted about drunk driving and baseball. I said it wasn't a good thing and I provided baseball examples in the baseball thread.
Then you pivoted to steroids. Again, I didn't defend or condone steroids in baseball.
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Yes, I'm sure. We can go back if you wish.
You have 7,000 posts in 8 years. I have 1,700 in 12 years. This is what you do.
You posted about drunk driving and baseball. I said it wasn't a good thing and I provided baseball examples in the baseball thread.
Then you pivoted to steroids. Again, I didn't defend or condone steroids in baseball.
https://youtu.be/WLfAf8oHrMo
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Brewers swept, Cardinals swept, Pirates swept, Cubs lose 3/4. The NL Central is stacked.
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Absolute train wreck of a series, especially today. INEXCUSUABLE!
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Absolute train wreck of a series, especially today. INEXCUSUABLE!
Bryant's first dinger in how long? Sad!
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The difference is, I have zero problem admitting the best Brewers in recent memory have used PEDs. Braun? Yup. Yeli? Well, is it a coincidence he came to Milwaukee while Braun was still playing, saw his power go off the charts, signed a giant contract, saw Braun retire, and now gets an extra base hit every like 10 games? Hmm...
The guy did it right. Use PEDs, see your performance skyrocket, get paid generational money, and then stop using PEDs. You will still get paid even if you aren't producing. The only thing that'll stop the checks coming in is if you get caught. So why risk it?
It's really not a big deal. If you weren't doing PEDs, chances are you didn't make it to the MLB. But for some reason people think it was all just the pitching coach that took Jake Arrietta from a journey man to the best pitcher in baseball out of nowhere.
I think Yeli might’ve been stealing signs. I agree with your post as a whole, though.
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I think Yeli might’ve been stealing signs. I agree with your post as a whole, though.
The 2018 Brewers were one of the best sign stealing teams of all-time
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Taking away the ability to review video + his injury = player that doesn’t deserve his contract.
But 2018 was fun.
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Taking away the ability to review video + his injury = player that doesn’t deserve his contract.
But 2018 was fun.
Terry Pluto’s book “The Curse of Rocky Colavito” tells the tale of Herb Score. Score took a liner to the face and was never the same pitcher after. Score insists he was the same but those that watched him swear his mechanics and release were never the same. Guys can say they’re the same after freak injuries but all it takes it one small change in how they play and they’re never the same
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Brewers need to get Burnes and Woody back and then trade them as quickly as possible.
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Cardinals play the Cubs 100 times a year … and they’re surprised that Contreras ain’t Yadi now?
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Cardinals play the Cubs 100 times a year … and they’re surprised that Contreras ain’t Yadi now?
As a Cubs fan I'm really enjoying how things are going so far in St. Louis. Contreras was a big part of the Cubs success from 2016 - 2020 but there was a reason (or reasons) the Cubs made no effort to extend him.
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Cardinals play the Cubs 100 times a year … and they’re surprised that Contreras ain’t Yadi now?
Maybe he should take time off to go watch basketball in another country
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Tigers: 2-9 when Baez gets yanked from a game for losing track of outs.
13-9 since. And Baez has finally started hitting like he has historically.
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I forgot that the Cardinals traded both Alcantara & Gallen for Marcell Ozuna. That trade isn’t discussed enough for how awful it was.
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Dylan Cease washed?
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Correa may go down as the worst FA signing in MLB history. Guy got the bag and has completely stopped even trying to improve.
Not sure why the Twins are not benching him for like 3 games and sending a message.
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Correa may go down as the worst FA signing in MLB history. Guy got the bag and has completely stopped even trying to improve.
Not sure why the Twins are not benching him for like 3 games and sending a message.
2 on 2 outs in the 7th down 2.
Ks on 3 pitches. Now hitting .145 with RISP.
No wonder the Astros didnt miss a beat when he left. Some dudes just dont have the mental make up.
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https://twitter.com/CleGuardians/status/1655704801127145473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655704801127145473%7Ctwgr%5E2b1a14399d0edb2be9c614e0f1b48299e40182d6%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fsports%2Ftigers-akil-baddoo-hit-groin-stolen-base-attempt
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https://twitter.com/tlschwerz/status/1656111797592641536
Just to prove I am not even exaggerating.
His literally one of the worst every day players in the game
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Tigers: 2-9 when Baez gets yanked from a game for losing track of outs.
Baez has lost track of outs 11 times? Worse than Wojo!
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Just the once. He got yanked and chewed and the Tigers started playing better.
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https://twitter.com/CleGuardians/status/1655704801127145473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655704801127145473%7Ctwgr%5E2b1a14399d0edb2be9c614e0f1b48299e40182d6%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fsports%2Ftigers-akil-baddoo-hit-groin-stolen-base-attempt
Always wear your cup.
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Mookie Betts is refusing to stay at the Pfister (https://www.si.com/mlb/2023/05/10/dodgers-mookie-betts-refuses-reputed-haunted-hotel-pfister-milwaukee) while the Dodgers are in town.
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Pussay, aina?
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I have found my interactions with ghosts amusing, entertaining, and fascinating. Different strokes for different folks.
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I have found my interactions with ghosts amusing, entertaining, and fascinating. Different strokes for different folks.
"Ghosts in the machine"?
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"Ghosts in the machine"?
Not bad but I preferred Zenyatta Mondatta.
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"Ghosts in the machine"?
Nah. Synchronicity.
Sultan beat me to it. Curses.
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Do the A's have a clue? At this point they will be playing in Schaumburg.
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Do the A's have a clue? At this point they will be playing in Schaumburg.
What am I missing? At first blush, building a stadium on the southeast end of the strip sounds sick.
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Do the A's have a clue? At this point they will be playing in Schaumburg.
Of course they do.
The Owners bought the team for $180 million. It’s now worth about $1.2 billion , which will go up after moving to Vegas. According to Forbes, they were the 5th most profitable team in MLB last year. That is success.
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What am I missing? At first blush, building a stadium on the southeast end of the strip sounds sick.
Two weeks ago they announced a done deal location. Two days ago, they announced a different done deal location. In Oakland, they announced at least three done deal locations, maybe four if you include Santa Clara. Meanwhile, their current lease runs out at the end of next season. Maybe the grown ups at Bally’s can bring this one home for Kaval this time. Clown Show
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Two weeks ago they announced a done deal location. Two days ago, they announced a different done deal location. In Oakland, they announced at least three done deal locations, maybe four if you include Santa Clara. Meanwhile, their current lease runs out at the end of next season. Maybe the grown ups at Bally’s can bring this one home for Kaval this time. Clown Show
Fertilizing the money tree.
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Fertilizing the money tree.
Could be, we'll see but it will be by falling up. Five years playing in 120 degree heat at the minor league stadium might not be so profitable. The Montreal Expos were better run.
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Could be, we'll see but it will be by falling up. Five years playing in 120 degree heat at the minor league stadium might not be so profitable. The Montreal Expos were better run.
I know you’re being purposefully hyperbolic, but stadium capacity issues are the only real factor IMO. Vegas gets hot, sure, but it’s only CRAZY hot in Jun-Aug, and as anyone who has been there knows, it’s pretty mild at night. Most MLB teams play 50-60 day games in a year. Half of those at home during 40ish percent of the season and you’re really only looking at 20ish potential HOT games. And I think a lot of that gets mitigate by tourist attendance that will be a big part of any Vegas teams attendance
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I know you’re being purposefully hyperbolic, but stadium capacity issues are the only real factor IMO. Vegas gets hot, sure, but it’s only CRAZY hot in Jun-Aug, and as anyone who has been there knows, it’s pretty mild at night. Most MLB teams play 50-60 day games in a year. Half of those at home during 40ish percent of the season and you’re really only looking at 20ish potential HOT games. And I think a lot of that gets mitigate by tourist attendance that will be a big part of any Vegas teams attendance
Also, wouldn’t the do a retractable roof that would cool it down for those times?
I also feel the amount of people making summer trips to Vegas to see their team would help attendance.
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Also, wouldn’t the do a retractable roof that would cool it down for those times?
I also feel the amount of people making summer trips to Vegas to see their team would help attendance.
He was talking specifically about the time until they could get a stadium built, but then yes, obviously any Vegas ballpark would be retractable like FL or AZ
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Twins finally had some offense today.
The starting pitching continues to be a blast to watch. Completely new territory as a Twins fan.
Joe Ryan now has a stunning 57:7 K to BB rate
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https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/1658926816302866437
Please just sit the guy. He doesnt care. He flails at every pitch outside the zone. He got paid thats all he wanted. Send a damn message.
Dylan fu cking Covey made him look bad.
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But what do you really think of Correa? All this time, it's been difficult to get an accurate gauge of your feelings about him.
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But what do you really think of Correa? All this time, it's been difficult to get an accurate gauge of your feelings about him.
The same as anyone who watches baseball, or can even read baseball stats
https://twitter.com/WondToWefferson/status/1658945927091027968
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https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/1658926816302866437
Please just sit the guy. He doesnt care. He flails at every pitch outside the zone. He got paid thats all he wanted. Send a damn message.
Dylan fu cking Covey made him look bad.
So you have talked to Carlos?
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So you have talked to Carlos?
Nope, I've watched 40/44 games.
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Nope, I've watched 40/44 games.
On purpose?
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On purpose?
Yup, love baseball.
and the faster games make it easier. Admittingly its usually on a laptop while the tvs have the NHL and NBA playoffs on
And been to 5 games
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Not MLB related, but my 14 year old son hit his first over the fence on a full sized diamond home run tonight. Probably a 340' shot on a 300' fence. Left center. Absolutely crushed. Proud papa moment.
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Not MLB related, but my 14 year old son hit his first over the fence on a full sized diamond home run tonight. Probably a 340' shot on a 300' fence. Left center. Absolutely crushed. Proud papa moment.
Seriously, Zig, that's really awesome. A memory both of you will always have.
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Not MLB related, but my 14 year old son hit his first over the fence on a full sized diamond home run tonight. Probably a 340' shot on a 300' fence. Left center. Absolutely crushed. Proud papa moment.
So he's using PEDs now eh?
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Not MLB related, but my 14 year old son hit his first over the fence on a full sized diamond home run tonight. Probably a 340' shot on a 300' fence. Left center. Absolutely crushed. Proud papa moment.
That's awesome. Congrats Zig
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Not MLB related, but my 14 year old son hit his first over the fence on a full sized diamond home run tonight. Probably a 340' shot on a 300' fence. Left center. Absolutely crushed. Proud papa moment.
Not MLB related...yet. Kneecapping ZFBJR's career before it even gets going.
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https://twitter.com/mlbrums/status/1659562958119206915
Ill buy withoutbias 1 grand worth of Jimmy Butler gear. And donate another 1 to MU NIL if the Twins get Ohtani.
Ohtani for Correa straight up, who says no?
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Everyone
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https://twitter.com/mlbrums/status/1659562958119206915
Ill buy withoutbias 1 grand worth of Jimmy Butler gear. And donate another 1 to MU NIL if the Twins get Ohtani.
Ohtani for Correa straight up, who says no?
And I'll buy you 1 grand worth of Timberwolves gear if you don't get him.
Wait, nevermind. You're not a fan so you don't want it anyway.
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Jayson Stark in The Athletic about the A's:
They’re making the ’62 Mets look like the ’86 Mets! Oakland is 10-37. It has the worst run differential (minus-166) after 47 games of any team in the history of the American League. Those ‘62 Mets, the modern standard for the worst team ever, were 12-35 after 47 games and had only a minus-99 run differential.
The A’s still haven’t had a one-game losing streak.
There’s so, so much more. Their rotation has a 7.37 ERA! They’ve given up at least 10 runs 15 times already (in 47 games)! It took them just 37 games to fall 10-plus games out of next-to-last place! The list goes on.
Need more?
“They’re the worst team I’ve ever scouted,” one longtime scout said.
“I honestly think,” said an executive from a team who saw them in April, “that that’s the worst team I’ve ever watched in my career.”
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The A's suck-i-tude isn't limited to their play on the field.
Oakland TV broadcaster Glen Kuiper was sh!tcanned after saying this during a May 5 broadcast in KC:
“We had a phenomenal day today. (N-word) League Museum. And Arthur Bryant’s Barbeque.”
He apologized later in the broadcast. Like what? I meant to say, "F%cking N-word League Museum"?
That it took nearly 3 weeks for NBC Sports California to conduct an "internal review" before firing him is pretty pathetic, too. Did they have to wind it back and listen to it 500 times, or was the 499th the clincher?
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The A's suck-i-tude isn't limited to their play on the field.
Oakland TV broadcaster Glen Kuiper was sh!tcanned after saying this during a May 5 broadcast in KC:
“We had a phenomenal day today. (N-word) League Museum. And Arthur Bryant’s Barbeque.”
He apologized later in the broadcast. Like what? I meant to say, "F%cking N-word League Museum"?
That it took nearly 3 weeks for NBC Sports California to conduct an "internal review" before firing him is pretty pathetic, too. Did they have to wind it back and listen to it 500 times, or was the 499th the clincher?
Many companies have internal policies for handling instances of derogatory comments based on protected class (and other civil rights issues). These processes often have various forms of due process baked in that can make investigations take time. If you don't follow your policy and just terminate someone, you could be liable for a lawsuit. Not sure if this is the case here but could be a reason why it took a few weeks
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Many companies have internal policies for handling instances of derogatory comments based on protected class (and other civil rights issues). These processes often have various forms of due process baked in that can make investigations take time. If you don't follow your policy and just terminate someone, you could be liable for a lawsuit. Not sure if this is the case here but could be a reason why it took a few weeks
Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense.
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The A's suck-i-tude isn't limited to their play on the field.
Oakland TV broadcaster Glen Kuiper was sh!tcanned after saying this during a May 5 broadcast in KC:
“We had a phenomenal day today. (N-word) League Museum. And Arthur Bryant’s Barbeque.”
He apologized later in the broadcast. Like what? I meant to say, "F%cking N-word League Museum"?
That it took nearly 3 weeks for NBC Sports California to conduct an "internal review" before firing him is pretty pathetic, too. Did they have to wind it back and listen to it 500 times, or was the 499th the clincher?
That was a weird one. Everyone within the A's world defended Kuiper's character and the head of the Negro League museum even said he was genuinely thrilled to be there and enthusiastic with his participation at the museum...but you just can't say that, even if it was truly the most accidental innocent slip. So I don't see how there was any other outcome than his termination.
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He accidentally slipped and said the N-word?
I know you're not saying that's what happened, Wags, but even the suggestion of it as a possibility seems weird.
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He accidentally slipped and said the N-word?
I know you're not saying that's what happened, Wags, but even the suggestion of it as a possibility seems weird.
It obviously shouldn't happen, but when you're trying to use the word Negro it's not that far off from the word he said.
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He accidentally slipped and said the N-word?
I know you're not saying that's what happened, Wags, but even the suggestion of it as a possibility seems weird.
I mean, he spent a bunch of time at the Negro League Museum just that afternoon. I think slipping and saying the wrong word is a pretty plausible explanation.
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Hmm.
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A or r?
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I mean, he spent a bunch of time at the Negro League Museum just that afternoon. I think slipping and saying the wrong word is a pretty plausible explanation.
Nobody “accidentally” says that word. That’s absurd
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Nobody “accidentally” says that word. That’s absurd
So you thing he purposely said it?
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Nobody “accidentally” says that word. That’s absurd
Kyrie 'accidently' says stuff like that and gets paid more. ;)
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Nobody “accidentally” says that word. That’s absurd
I don't think that's a tenable position.
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The Nashville Brewers is going to end up sounding like the Utah Jazz/LA Lakers/Memphis Grizzlies.
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The Nashville Brewers is going to end up sounding like the Utah Jazz/LA Lakers/Memphis Grizzlies.
Fine by me. We've done enough to pay for that ballpark.
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Ending the stadium district sales tax was such a dumb move. So now the tax-payers own a stadium that is only twenty years old that doesn't have enough money to fix. If the Brewers wanted a new stadium, I would have no trouble telling them to pound sand. But providing money to fix and upgrade what you already have makes sense. Otherwise you will have an empty building that provides no value to anyone and will end up rotting away.
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Is AmFam that badly in need of repairs? Is MLB doing this for multiple stadiums? I am sure there’s some maintenance needed, but didn’t think AmFam was that far below the average stadium that it would require a statement from MLB.
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Is AmFam that badly in need of repairs? Is MLB doing this for multiple stadiums? I am sure there’s some maintenance needed, but didn’t think AmFam was that far below the average stadium that it would require a statement from MLB.
It needs upgrading for seating and concourse usage.
It would be pretty naive of Milwaukeans to say, see yeah. The post-Giannis years in Milwaukee will require a lot of luck for the Bucks to remain relevant in the sporting landscape, Deer district or not. It’s a fine line between becoming Salt Lake City or Sacramento, a one-horse town
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It needs upgrading for seating and concourse usage.
It would be pretty naive of Milwaukeans to say, see yeah. The post-Giannis years in Milwaukee will require a lot of luck for the Bucks to remain relevant in the sporting landscape, Deer district or not. It’s a fine line between becoming Salt Lake City or Sacramento, a one-horse town
Especially since the District agreed to fund the future maintenance.
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Ending the stadium district sales tax was such a dumb move. So now the tax-payers own a stadium that is only twenty years old that doesn't have enough money to fix. If the Brewers wanted a new stadium, I would have no trouble telling them to pound sand. But providing money to fix and upgrade what you already have makes sense. Otherwise you will have an empty building that provides no value to anyone and will end up rotting away.
It was. A good friend of mine is the board member for one of the five counties and he was against it for the reason you state. But politics demanded the action that was taken. Being the smart decision did not factor in.
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Brewskis suck major ass, aina?
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Brewskis suck major ass, aina?
Counsell needs to go. They’ve plateaued under his leadership. Their hitting sucks year after year under him. They change hitting coaches, nothing gets better. The only years they didn’t generally suck as a team hitting is when Yelich was elite, which was 4 years ago.
They’re 9-15 now in May. First place means nothing in May when you’re 2 over .500. Every year it’s just a matter of when they fade out. Move on. The local hero angle has long since wore out its welcome which is the reason fans still support him. It’s plainly obvious things have become very stale under him.
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Brewers have had one season under Counsell where team average reached .250. They’ve had one season under him when they ranked above 20 in team average. They haven’t hit better than .235 as a team since 2019.
Who’s been the common denominator in those years with players and coaches changing often?
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I feel like team batting average is a pretty bad metric to grade a manager.
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I feel like team batting average is a pretty bad metric to grade a manager.
Yeah. And I’m thinking that’s mostly roster construction.
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I feel like team batting average is a pretty bad metric to grade a manager.
Not in 1988. Lol.
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I feel like team batting average is a pretty bad metric to grade a manager.
Why. It’s his team. All aspects.
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I don't follow the Brewers. How many players on the injured list?
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Mark A. is too cheap to make the change. Plus, he now has the Commish stompin' for his Am Fam Field upgrades. Stick it too the fans and it all makes sense, aina?
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Mark A. is too cheap to make the change. Plus, he now has the Commish stompin' for his Am Fam Field upgrades. Stick it too the fans and it all makes sense, aina?
*to
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Mark A. is too cheap to make the change. Plus, he now has the Commish stompin' for his Am Fam Field upgrades. Stick it too the fans and it all makes sense, aina?
I mean they agreed to fund stadium maintenance from the beginning. Should have never got rid of the sales tax.
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The cost of the repairs now exceeds the original cost to build the stadium, hey?
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Not in 1988. Lol.
I know I’m an old fart talking team average in this age of nerdy advanced metrics. Whatever. It’s still a strong indicator of how effective an offense is. Not to mention the advanced offensive metrics have mostly been mediocre to lousy to in the Counsell years.
There’s many reasons to move on from him. Managers have been fired with much stronger resumes and reasons to keep their jobs.
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Peddle da entire bunch for sum unwashed Bikes and a couple rosin bags, aina?
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Twins are still middling because their ownership/manager just refuse to look at blatant stats/facts and objective eye tests.
Correa(especially abysmal) and Buxton are the two worst hitters with RISP on the team. Literally. But they keep batting 3rd and 4th. They cant do it. Stop trying.
Lewis and Kirilloff should bat 3rd and 4th for the next decade.
Wallner demoted in the midst of a 8 straight times reaching base to..........get Max Kepler back????
AK/Lewis/Wallner/Julien/Larnach thats the future that needs time to grow. They are not worse than the vets. So play them.
Vasquez over Jeffers, mental. Solano on the roster......mental. Not fixing the bullpen and continually using them early when the rotation is elite.......mental.
Its almost to the point where I think the central being so bad is making them incompetent out of comfort.
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Ohtani got lit up by the Astros tonight, and also went 0-4 at the plate.
He's got a 3.30 ERA and an .859 OPS. Each stat obviously is very good, but neither is crazy good. And after giving up only 14 HR in 28 starts last season, Ohtani has allowed 10 in 12 starts this season.
Meanwhile, the Angels are rapidly falling out of contention already ... what else is new?
Speculation keeps growing that Ohtani wants out. He'll still get gazillions in the offseason -- and deservedly so as probably the main attraction in the majors, as well as a hell of a player/pitcher.
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george scott's (da boomer) son found dead in possible murder-suicide with his 8 year old son
https://nypost.com/2023/06/02/son-of-former-red-sox-george-scott-kills-son-8-before-taking-own-life/
after the brewers traded tommy harper, marty pattin and lew krausse for the boomer, he became the brewers first $100k/year player
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Just noticed that the Brewers have the best record in the National League (5th best in the majors) vs teams above .500. Unfortunately they are also 16-15 against teams .500 and below. I swear that's been the case for the last few seasons.
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Just noticed that the Brewers have the best record in the National League (5th best in the majors) vs teams above .500. Unfortunately they are also 16-15 against teams .500 and below. I swear that's been the case for the last few seasons.
Counsell is a heckuva manager. They’re not that good
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Counsell is a heckuva manager. They’re not that good
Agreed. I don’t know why anyone thinks Counsell’s lost the team or isn’t a good manager anymore. The roster is terrible and he has them competitive every year. Good pitching that doesn’t stay healthy. One of the worst group of position players in all of baseball.
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Agreed. I don’t know why anyone thinks Counsell’s lost the team or isn’t a good manager anymore. The roster is terrible and he has them competitive every year. Good pitching that doesn’t stay healthy. One of the worst group of position players in all of baseball.
Idiots spend their time blaming coaches and managers. Most of the time, it’s the players
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Nah, its da GM. #12 wuz write, aina?
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Nah, its da GM. #12 wuz write, aina?
Those NFC Championship games must have been built on Ted Thompson. Even the home one
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the brewers screwed themselves taking corbin burnes to arbitration. maybe not the arbitration part, but the process. they may have saved themselves $740k but some of the arguments they used to gain favor of the arbiter p!ssed off burnes for sure.
so what ya gonna get for $10,000,000??
-a p!ssed off pitcher for one more year, then SEE YA. plus, he's probably taking his clubhouse meals home in doggie bags
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the brewers screwed themselves taking corbin burnes to arbitration. maybe not the arbitration part, but the process. they may have saved themselves $740k but some of the arguments they used to gain favor of the arbiter p!ssed off burnes for sure.
so what ya gonna get for $10,000,000??
-a p!ssed off pitcher for one more year, then SEE YA. plus, he's probably taking his clubhouse meals home in doggie bags
The Brewers were never going to be able to pay Burnes his next contract. He’ll enjoy being in a big market. The Brewers should trade him before the deadline.
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The Brewers were never going to be able to pay Burnes his next contract. He’ll enjoy being in a big market. The Brewers should trade him before the deadline.
If the team was being honest with themselves they would have dealt him in the off-season. There's no way their piecemeal offense was going to be good enough to compete for a pennant.
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the brewers screwed themselves taking corbin burnes to arbitration. maybe not the arbitration part, but the process. they may have saved themselves $740k but some of the arguments they used to gain favor of the arbiter p!ssed off burnes for sure.
so what ya gonna get for $10,000,000??
-a p!ssed off pitcher for one more year, then SEE YA. plus, he's probably taking his clubhouse meals home in doggie bags
Absolutely agree. It came out that one of their “arguments” was Burnes’s performance last year was in part a reason for missing postseason. He was furious and rightfully so, and all but said it in spring training. They could have avoided arbitration with one of baseball’s stud starting pitchers (which of course has been a unicorn in Brewers history) by anteing up what a minimum veterans salary would have been to avoid arbitration. It was colossally stupid short and long term for the organization. This is why teams try to avoid arbitration if at all reasonable, which it certainly would have been with Burnes.
So Attanasio again shows his hand what his priorities really are. But he is great at the small market owner narrative.
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The Brewers were never going to be able to pay Burnes his next contract. He’ll enjoy being in a big market. The Brewers should trade him before the deadline.
Maybe correct, although Attanasio is great at crying poor with his $750 million net worth and very strong support and attendance in the time he’s owned them. But long term, pitchers are extremely risky for the Brewers no question.
But why pi** him off while you still have him? Is that smart relations with your best and most valuable player?? That answer’s itself
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the brewers screwed themselves taking corbin burnes to arbitration. maybe not the arbitration part, but the process. they may have saved themselves $740k but some of the arguments they used to gain favor of the arbiter p!ssed off burnes for sure.
so what ya gonna get for $10,000,000??
-a p!ssed off pitcher for one more year, then SEE YA. plus, he's probably taking his clubhouse meals home in doggie bags
Poor Corbin. A lot of people hate facts. He’s one of them
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If the team was being honest with themselves they would have dealt him in the off-season. There's no way their piecemeal offense was going to be good enough to compete for a pennant.
yes
hopefully they can put something together before i bolts via free agency and they get nothing. don't know if there is a "no trade" clause in his current contract or teams he can NOT want to go to. i'm sure corbin would love to ride his current contract and let the brewers see who his new team is on espn
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yes
hopefully they can put something together before i bolts via free agency and they get nothing. don't know if there is a "no trade" clause in his current contract or teams he can NOT want to go to. i'm sure corbin would love to ride his current contract and let the brewers see who his new team is on espn
Rookie contracts are notorious for their no-trade clauses
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Maybe correct, although Attanasio is great at crying poor with his $750 million net worth and very strong support and attendance in the time he’s owned them. But long term, pitchers are extremely risky for the Brewers no question.
But why pi** him off while you still have him? Is that smart relations with your best and most valuable player?? That answer’s itself
I mean…what’s the consequence?
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yes
hopefully they can put something together before i bolts via free agency and they get nothing. don't know if there is a "no trade" clause in his current contract or teams he can NOT want to go to. i'm sure corbin would love to ride his current contract and let the brewers see who his new team is on espn
You don’t understand rookie baseball contracts. The Brewers are in complete control.
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Agreed. I don’t know why anyone thinks Counsell’s lost the team or isn’t a good manager anymore. The roster is terrible and he has them competitive every year. Good pitching that doesn’t stay healthy. One of the worst group of position players in all of baseball.
+1. When you look at that lineup, Counsell maxmizes what he has every year, particularly when it comes to interchangeable parts journeymen in the lineup and his bullpen.
The franchise's biggest problem right now is the combo of not developing hitters and being a low payroll team paying 1/5 of its total payroll to Christian Yelich. The lack of homegrown regulars in the lineup is becoming a real problem. Last year, only 2 of the top 15 in PAs played their first MLB game with the Crew - Taylor was 8th and Hiura was 12th. This year looks better, but if the top seven spots in the lineup aren't filled by at least three of Mitchell, Wiemer, Turang, Frelick, and Taylor by mid next year, this team just cannot meaningfully compete.
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Having read more about this while it was going on, the $700k battle was the product of a crappy process. There’s a lot of pressure from the owners to not establish new precedents for players, and the Burnes contract would have done that.
I think the way contracts are set up early and the process is pretty unfair, but it is collectively bargained. Good young players are a bargain for teams until they hit free agency.
I don’t think Burnes is going to sign with Milwaukee long term even if they went $700k over his asking price this year.
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Having read more about this while it was going on, the $700k battle was the product of a crappy process. There’s a lot of pressure from the owners to not establish new precedents for players, and the Burnes contract would have done that.
I think the way contracts are set up early and the process is pretty unfair, but it is collectively bargained. Good young players are a bargain for teams until they hit free agency.
I don’t think Burnes is going to sign with Milwaukee long term even if they went $700k over his asking price this year.
Then they should have paid him the $700k outside arbitration.
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+1. When you look at that lineup, Counsell maxmizes what he has every year, particularly when it comes to interchangeable parts journeymen in the lineup and his bullpen.
The franchise's biggest problem right now is the combo of not developing hitters and being a low payroll team paying 1/5 of its total payroll to Christian Yelich. The lack of homegrown regulars in the lineup is becoming a real problem. Last year, only 2 of the top 15 in PAs played their first MLB game with the Crew - Taylor was 8th and Hiura was 12th. This year looks better, but if the top seven spots in the lineup aren't filled by at least three of Mitchell, Wiemer, Turang, Frelick, and Taylor by mid next year, this team just cannot meaningfully compete.
I agree except for Taylor. Next year he will be 30 years old with a WAR probably under 4.0 for his career. Just a 5th outfielder type.
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The Brewers were never going to be able to pay Burnes his next contract. He’ll enjoy being in a big market. The Brewers should trade him before the deadline.
Irrelevant. The word is out that the Brewers will cheap out on talent. It's a bad look regardless.
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Irrelevant. The word is out that the Brewers will cheap out on talent. It's a bad look regardless.
Not really though. That’s why the process is in place. This happens every single offseason with every single team. And the arbiter sided with the Brewers.
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OMG the Brewers played hardball in an arbitration case! Nobody will want to play here now!!!
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I agree except for Taylor. Next year he will be 30 years old with a WAR probably under 4.0 for his career. Just a 5th outfielder type.
You're right. I was being overly optimistic including him, but he is who he is at this point.
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Not really though. That’s why the process is in place. This happens every single offseason with every single team. And the arbiter sided with the Brewers.
Won the battle to lose the war.
It's a poorly run organization.
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Won the battle to lose the war.
What war?
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Irrelevant. The word is out that the Brewers will cheap out on talent. It's a bad look regardless.
Disagree. You can make an argument that it was stupid because it pooped in the punchbowl of the org's relationship with Burnes, and has factored into his drop in performance. But the word has been out for a long time on how the Brewers do business. Taking Burnes to arb isn't going to prevent agents from negotiating extensions for young guys, and here are their top $ FA signings over the last five years:
2023: Wade Miley - $4.5MM
2022: Andrew McCutcheon - $8.5MM
2021: JBJ - $13MM; Kolton Wong - $26MM/3
2020: Avisail Garcia - $20MM/2
2019: Yaz Grandal - $16MM
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I'm sure they dangled an early contract to Burnes like they did Peralta, but he said "no thanks." From then on the writing was on the wall that they were going to use their control as long as they could and consider trade options along the way knowing they weren't going to sign him to a long-term deal. And they still control him through arbitration next year.
This is how the Brewers have done business since Anastasio bought the team.
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I'm sure they dangled an early contract to Burnes like they did Peralta, but he said "no thanks." From then on the writing was on the wall that they were going to use their control as long as they could and consider trade options along the way knowing they weren't going to sign him to a long-term deal. And they still control him through arbitration next year.
This is how the Brewers have done business since Anastasio bought the team.
It's pretty popular with fans, players and fills the trophy case!
Keep up the good work, Mark!
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It's pretty popular with fans, players and fills the trophy case!
Keep up the good work, Mark!
Far better than it was before Mark owned the team. Mark has owned the Brewers for half of my life (17 years before, 17 years since). In the 17 years before he owned it the Brewers hadn't made the Playoffs at all. In the 17 years since he's owned the Brewers they've made the Playoffs 5 times. NCLS twice. 3 division titles.
Obviously it still isn't some awesome organization. But that's the reality in the MLB where there's no salary cap. I'm not sure how much more you can expect from a Milwaukee baseball team.
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Far better than it was before Mark owned the team. Mark has owned the Brewers for half of my life (17 years before, 17 years since). In the 17 years before he owned it the Brewers hadn't made the Playoffs at all. In the 17 years since he's owned the Brewers they've made the Playoffs 5 times. NCLS twice. 3 division titles.
Obviously it still isn't some awesome organization. But that's the reality in the MLB where there's no salary cap. I'm not sure how much more you can expect from a Milwaukee baseball team.
Pre-Mark was the lowest possible bar to clear.
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I'm sure they dangled an early contract to Burnes like they did Peralta, but he said "no thanks." From then on the writing was on the wall that they were going to use their control as long as they could and consider trade options along the way knowing they weren't going to sign him to a long-term deal. And they still control him through arbitration next year.
This is how the Brewers have done business since Anastasio bought the team.
I wish the best to any team that gives Burnes a long-term, guaranteed contract
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Peddle hiz ass at da trade deadline and get a haul like dey did fore Hater, aina?
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Peddle hiz ass at da trade deadline and get a haul like dey did fore Hater, aina?
Beats paying him
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Far better than it was before Mark owned the team. Mark has owned the Brewers for half of my life (17 years before, 17 years since). In the 17 years before he owned it the Brewers hadn't made the Playoffs at all. In the 17 years since he's owned the Brewers they've made the Playoffs 5 times. NCLS twice. 3 division titles.
Obviously it still isn't some awesome organization. But that's the reality in the MLB where there's no salary cap. I'm not sure how much more you can expect from a Milwaukee baseball team.
Not only no salary cap, but limited local revenue. Milwaukee has actually done a solid job here because its revenue apparently exceeds some much larger markets like Miami. But the reality is that low revenue teams have to be extremely well run on the baseball side of things to be constantly competitive.
I think the Brewers have been run pretty well. Not great by any means. So this is what you are getting.
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deGrom
Wooof
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Sad but not surprising.
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Falvey and Levine simply do not stop being the worst front office in sports.
So over a week ago Matt Wallner had reached base EIGHT straight times. They sent him down to get Max Kepler in. Was there a rush to activate Kepler?? Uhh no. Not with logic. Kepler since his activation is 3/26 with 0 walks. LOL.
Wallner proceeds to win minor league player of the week with 3 bombs and like a .500 batting average.
Thursday Buxton gets beaned and Correa hurts his leg(again). Do we make a move?? Nah. We play 3 more games vs a division rival with a short bench. Buxton only just now put on the IL today. Hilarious.
Best part is, we did have to make 1 IL move for the weekend. Call up Wallner?? Nope, minor league journeyman Kyle Garlick all because we faced ONE lefty on saturday. Garlick is .200 in AAA with a .172 vs Lefties.
Twins scored 3 runs total over the weekemd winning 1-0 and losing 3-2 and 2-0. This FO is literally throwing games
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Thankfully, the entire Central sucks. Detroit has 13 players on the IL. Seemingly helpless without Greene.
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Thankfully, the entire Central sucks. Detroit has 13 players on the IL. Seemingly helpless without Greene.
Thats why they run the org the way they do. Such a bad division they dont do rational instead.
Detroit stinks was matter of time til they fell off.
Sox will charge though if Twins stay incompetent.
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Two weeks ago they announced a done deal location. Two days ago, they announced a different done deal location. In Oakland, they announced at least three done deal locations, maybe four if you include Santa Clara. Meanwhile, their current lease runs out at the end of next season. Maybe the grown ups at Bally’s can bring this one home for Kaval this time. Clown Show
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And another fail in the works...
https://apnews.com/article/nevada-athletics-las-vegas-film-tax-credit-cc18c2cb974f572915dfa311b4d72804
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Twins offense being shut out again.
Cant even blame the players at this point.
No chance in hell Donovan Solano's own family would have thought hed bat clean up and DH. But thats the lineup our GMs and manager are willingly fielding.
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Detroit is 5-52 though 16 innings over two games in Philly. Not as sympathetic to the plight of the Twins as you might hope.
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Detroit is 5-52 though 16 innings over two games in Philly. Not as sympathetic to the plight of the Twins as you might hope.
The Tigers roster is terrible. If they finish within 10 games of .500 thats a miracle.
The Twins have easily the best roster in the division and a run differential(even with tonight) like 50 runs higher than the whole division.
Lose low scoring close games......because well coaching/roster competence matters.
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https://twitter.com/DanHayesMLB/status/1666241009888501762
Hitting coach doing his job as well. Great to not change up some approaches.
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Carlos Correa has 11 Ks in his last 19 ABs
Arraez has 11 Ks all year
Just keep batting Correa 3rd. Worst RISP on the team. 2 more Ks in 3 ABs today. Both against some guy named Cooper Crispwell. ONe of them with 2 on and he went down looking at pitch right down the middle.
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Would someone please explain to me what's happened to my beloved St. Louis Cardinals?
Before you scream pitching, I'd argue their rotation isn't all that bad and their ERAs should be reasonable enough given the power they have (conceptually) at every position.
Maybe it's Yadi, but I think it's deeper than that. I think Marmol barely has a clue and Molizak (sp?) has put together a team that can't play together. And, possibly, they've overestimated the quality of their young outfielders.
Thoughts, baseball experts?
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Would someone please explain to me what's happened to my beloved St. Louis Cardinals?
Before you scream pitching, I'd argue their rotation isn't all that bad and their ERAs should be reasonable enough given the power they have (conceptually) at every position.
Maybe it's Yadi, but I think it's deeper than that. I think Marmol barely has a clue and Molizak (sp?) has put together a team that can't play together. And, possibly, they've overestimated the quality of their young outfielders.
Thoughts, baseball experts?
Fans have turned away from the lord and are being punished
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Fans have turned away from the lord and are being punished
No...they've turned to the Lord and are being rewarded.
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Would someone please explain to me what's happened to my beloved St. Louis Cardinals?
Before you scream pitching, I'd argue their rotation isn't all that bad and their ERAs should be reasonable enough given the power they have (conceptually) at every position.
Maybe it's Yadi, but I think it's deeper than that. I think Marmol barely has a clue and Molizak (sp?) has put together a team that can't play together. And, possibly, they've overestimated the quality of their young outfielders.
Thoughts, baseball experts?
Stuff happens
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Would someone please explain to me what's happened to my beloved St. Louis Cardinals?
Before you scream pitching, I'd argue their rotation isn't all that bad and their ERAs should be reasonable enough given the power they have (conceptually) at every position.
Maybe it's Yadi, but I think it's deeper than that. I think Marmol barely has a clue and Molizak (sp?) has put together a team that can't play together. And, possibly, they've overestimated the quality of their young outfielders.
Thoughts, baseball experts?
Yadi
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Would someone please explain to me what's happened to my beloved St. Louis Cardinals?
Before you scream pitching, I'd argue their rotation isn't all that bad and their ERAs should be reasonable enough given the power they have (conceptually) at every position.
Maybe it's Yadi, but I think it's deeper than that. I think Marmol barely has a clue and Molizak (sp?) has put together a team that can't play together. And, possibly, they've overestimated the quality of their young outfielders.
Thoughts, baseball experts?
Stricter drug testing?
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I wish the best to any team that gives Burnes a long-term, guaranteed contract
Yet, da dude wuz damn good last nite, hey?
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Yet, da dude wuz damn good last nite, hey?
Up that trade value
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Too much bad pizza…and manatees
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Did anyone attend the MU night at the Brewer game tonight?
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Brew Crew wuzant even interested in attendin', hey?
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Brew Crew wuzant even interested in attendin', hey?
Every team will have its clunkers among 162 games, but being that bad last night against a 14 win team is hard to wrap your head around.
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Geez, the Brewers and their division absolutely suck.
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Did anyone attend the MU night at the Brewer game tonight?
I did. Whole team in attendance sporting customized Brewer jerseys. Nice highlight video on the big screen. Jop threw out the first pitch. Attempting to attach some (poor) photos.
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A’s got their first sweep of the season this weekend.
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A’s got their first sweep of the season this weekend.
And quite probably their only one.
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Brewers resemble a AA team. Mark won't open his checkbook. Fans gettin' fleeced again. Somethin's neva change, aina?
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Ohtani, who had been slumping (for him), has been hitting the heck out of the ball in June.
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Geez, the Brewers and their division absolutely suck.
Except for Elly De La Cruz.
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Except for Elly De La Cruz.
Yeah, looks like he’s the real deal.
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Except for Elly De La Cruz.
Kiley McDaniel at ESPN has him rated at 80 in the different categories. Only other guy rated that high was Bo.
The very 1st ball he hit in Cincinnati was the highest velocity of any Cincy player the entire year. In his 2nd game, he hit a ball even harder.
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Except for Elly De La Cruz.
Another new entry to the Lindsay Hunter Professional Athletes that sound like Hot Chicks All Stars
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Anybody do a wellness check on Carlos Correa’s butt buddy?
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Correa going June Correa against the Brewers is hilarious.
Twins got weird mojo against Brewers dynamite relievers. They have had a few big moments against Hader as well
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Edouard Julien now up to .260/.353/.493 in his back and forth AAA to MLB season. Kids bat is gonna play at this level as he gets more comfortable and consistently sticks up here.
I'd rather have withoutbias playing 2B though
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If Ohtani can get on a little pitching hot streak(been pretty meh by his standards for a while now) hes gonna have AL MVP locked up by the All Star break.
On a total rampage with the bat right now.
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Edouard Julien now up to .260/.353/.493 in his back and forth AAA to MLB season. Kids bat is gonna play at this level as he gets more comfortable and consistently sticks up here.
I'd rather have withoutbias playing 2B though
the dude is starting to get comfortable with big league pitching; pretty good for the 539th pick
assign withoutbias to be correa's " full time uber driver
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Combining two scoop favorites.....
David Freese refuses induction into the St. Louis Cardinal Hall of Fame.
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Combining two scoop favorites.....
David Freese refuses induction into the St. Louis Cardinal Hall of Fame.
There’s a Yadi joke in here somewhere, but it’s late at night and I’m too tired to find it.
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Watched my first two entire MLB games of the year this weekend. The pitch clock is amazing. Should have been in place years ago.
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Watched my first two entire MLB games of the year this weekend. The pitch clock is amazing. Should have been in place years ago.
I couldn't agree more. It's fantastic. If there are any old school baseball fans in here who originally opposed it - have you changed your thinking?
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I enjoyed it at the minor league level in previous seasons. This is no surprise.
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I couldn't agree more. It's fantastic. If there are any old school baseball fans in here who originally opposed it - have you changed your thinking?
I’m an old school baseball fan who liked the idea. Now that I’ve seen it in action I like it even more.
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Hader walked in the winning run tonight.
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As a White Sox fan I loved the call at the plate last night against the Rangers.
I will say, if that is catcher interference in MLB, then they have essentially outlawed catchers tagging runners out. I guess the catchers should return to the dugout on a ball put in play.
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White Soxs fans can hit and run better than the players.
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White Sox say four fans hurt, two critically, in pregame hit-and-run
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/37888819/white-sox-say-four-fans-hurt-two-critically-pregame-hit-run
The White Sox said four fans were injured in a hit-and-run collision outside Guaranteed Rate Field ahead of the team's game Tuesday night against the Texas Rangers.
In addition, the driver of the vehicle and three others in the car were hospitalized with various injuries. Illinois State Police and Chicago Police apprehended the suspect blocks away from where the hit and run took place.
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The miscreants were quickly apprehended. I love cities.
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The miscreants were quickly apprehended. I love cities.
If you got rid of cities, you wouldn’t have crime.
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If you got rid of cities, you wouldn’t have crime.
It it is easier to defund the White Sox
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I couldn't agree more. It's fantastic. If there are any old school baseball fans in here who originally opposed it - have you changed your thinking?
Need more mid-range jumpers in baseball
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White Soxs fans can hit and run better than the players.
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White Sox say four fans hurt, two critically, in pregame hit-and-run
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/37888819/white-sox-say-four-fans-hurt-two-critically-pregame-hit-run
The White Sox said four fans were injured in a hit-and-run collision outside Guaranteed Rate Field ahead of the team's game Tuesday night against the Texas Rangers.
In addition, the driver of the vehicle and three others in the car were hospitalized with various injuries. Illinois State Police and Chicago Police apprehended the suspect blocks away from where the hit and run took place.
Just saving people from watching the White Sox. A merciful act.
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I was half joking about catchers not being allowed to tag out runners but it is a real thing, just see the Padres-Giants game from last night. There is no point in trying to throw out a runner at the plate anymore. I would fire any 3rd base coach who did not send every runner every time.
Crazy major change to the game of baseball. Will they stop allowing the force out at the plate too?
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Elly De La Cruz is something
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Elly De La Cruz is something
He’s like an MLB The Show create-a-player. Someone should be the smooth and fast while also having that effortless monster power. He’s like mold of Tatis but bigger stronger and faster. Terrifying.
Hopefully the Reds don’t waste his prime like they did with Votto
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Just a run of the mill cycle for Elly tonight. First one for the Reds since Eric Davis in the 80's- another 44.
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Just a run of the mill cycle for Elly tonight. First one for the Reds since Eric Davis in the 80's- another 44.
I saw that stat and thought that physically the kid reminds me of a young Eric Davis. Taller, though, so maybe a young Darryl Strawberry? Because he's a switch-hitter, I've seen comparisons to Mantle, but The Mick was shorter and stockier.
Whatever, Elly is incredible to watch, and the Reds are becoming the story of this season. It's cool that Votto, at 39, has found the fountain of youth, too.
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Rookie phenoms are always fun.
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From The Athletic, the latest entry in the "stupid stat salad sweepstakes":
"On Friday, Elly De La Cruz became the first player in baseball history to hit for the cycle, steal a base and drive in four-plus runs within the first six innings of a game."
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One hit wonder, hey?
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Tough look for the best fans in baseball turning on their own
https://twitter.com/cardinalsconvo/status/1673189035471171585?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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Tough look for the best fans in baseball turning on their own
https://twitter.com/cardinalsconvo/status/1673189035471171585?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
I believe it’s just that the fans know baseball better than the rest of us, and they are letting Wainwright know he’s not meeting expectations. Frankly, they are doing him a favor.
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Two Tiger pitchers leave with injuries in the first two innings in tonight's game in Texas.
When they go on the IL, that will be the equivalent of an entire pitching staff injured. 12 pitchers. Along with an entire starting outfield.
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Absolutely phenomenal game by Ohtani last night:
10Ks as a pitcher ... 2 HR at the plate.
After a slow start at the plate (for him), he has been beyond incredible the last month. And the Angels are actually in contention.
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Absolutely phenomenal game by Ohtani last night:
10Ks as a pitcher ... 2 HR at the plate.
After a slow start at the plate (for him), he has been beyond incredible the last month. And the Angels are actually in contention.
They should just award the MVP now. Its literally impossible for anyone else to even get a 1st place vote at this point
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Perfecto by the Yankees' Domingo Germán last night, 24th in MLB history.
I was fortunate to see one of those in person - Mark Buehrle's in 2009. I've seen a few that got close but were broken up in the 8th inning or later.
The list of pitchers to throw perfect games includes some greats - Cy Young, Sandy Koufax, Jim Bunning, Catfish Hunter, Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay. But it also includes quite a few guys that make one say, "Who?" Having that one magical outing requires skill, of course, but also a good deal of good fortune.
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Perfecto by the Yankees' Domingo Germán last night, 24th in MLB history.
I was fortunate to see one of those in person - Mark Buehrle's in 2009. I've seen a few that got close but were broken up in the 8th inning or later.
The list of pitchers to throw perfect games includes some greats - Cy Young, Sandy Koufax, Jim Bunning, Catfish Hunter, Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay. But it also includes quite a few guys that make one say, "Who?" Having that one magical outing requires skill, of course, but also a good deal of good fortune.
Guy's got some Jimmy in him.
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Perfecto by the Yankees' Domingo Germán last night, 24th in MLB history.
I was fortunate to see one of those in person - Mark Buehrle's in 2009. I've seen a few that got close but were broken up in the 8th inning or later.
If last night's gem takes on the same folklore-like quality as some previous perfect games have, in about a decade literally dozens of Bay-area fans will claim to have been there.
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I say this knowing it won’t happen, but…
Regarding Ohtani’s free agency this offseason, there’s currently a team in first in their division, with a truckload of money available this offseason, that could (should) offer Ohtani 4/320. Even though he probably won’t go to this team, it would make it really difficult on someone else to match that offer.
That team is Cincinnati.
Their 2024 payroll (after they decline Votto’s & Myers’ options) is $30 M for 2024. Their largest salary commitment right now for next year is Griffey at a little over $3M in deferred cash.
Ohtani would hit 70 HR’s playing half his games there, especially if De La Cruz is batting behind him.
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Perfecto by the Yankees' Domingo Germán last night, 24th in MLB history.
I was fortunate to see one of those in person - Mark Buehrle's in 2009. I've seen a few that got close but were broken up in the 8th inning or later.
The list of pitchers to throw perfect games includes some greats - Cy Young, Sandy Koufax, Jim Bunning, Catfish Hunter, Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay. But it also includes quite a few guys that make one say, "Who?" Having that one magical outing requires skill, of course, but also a good deal of good fortune.
I was at a perfect game that got broken up in the eighth inning. There’s nothing quite like the energy in the park when you can feel the entire crowd begin to realize what’s happening, and everyone’s rooting for it, but no one will say exactly what the thing is for fear of jinxing it. No one wanting to tie the shoe that came undone, leave their seat to go to the bathroom, or do anything other than exactly what they’ve been doing for the past two hours. A unique experience in sports.
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Can the Brewers just finally give up on Matt Bush and admit he’s crap? Their deadline deals last year were all just awful.
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TA’s walk off homer in the Field of Dreams game feels like it was a decade ago.
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Happy Bobby Bonilla day to those who celebrate.
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I say this knowing it won’t happen, but…
That team is Cincinnati.
Now that Castellini and his idiot son have managed to field a competitive team without spending any $, you will never pry another nickle out of them.
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Can the Brewers just finally give up on Matt Bush and admit he’s crap? Their deadline deals last year were all just awful.
DFAed this morning.
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DFAed this morning.
Thank goodness. There must be better options somewhere.
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The Brew Crew did their best to make it interesting today.
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Does anyone know why the Cardinals keep putting Wainwright on the mound?
Is it just the Cardinal Way? Or is the manager as bad as he appears to be?
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Tough couple days for Angels
Trout with the freak hamate injury so probably out at least a month
Ohtani left todays early too. Does sound like it’s just a blister so shouldn’t be serious and definitely shouldn’t impact his ability to play DH
Rendon also hurt but he always is and sucks horribly now
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Does anyone know why the Cardinals keep putting Wainwright on the mound?
Is it just the Cardinal Way? Or is the manager as bad as he appears to be?
I guess the obvious answer is they want him to get two more wins so he can reach 200 for his career. Seems like they’re going to shut him down for a bit, but he’ll definitely be back in August to get a few more cracks at it. I agree that he probably shouldn’t be in the majors anymore.
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I hope the Brewers opened the roof every time the Cubs came to bat tonight and closed it every time the Brewers came up.
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Just another Elly moment
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3473094/superstar-the-nats-had-elly-de-la-cruzs-bat-checked-to-make-sure-it-was-legal-he-responded-by-blasting-a-moonshot-to-the-upper-deck-followed-by-an-incredible-celly
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The Athletic's Jayson Stark waxed poetic about how great Ohtani was at the plate the first half of the season:
He was on pace through July 3 (as a hitter) to have a 58-homer, 128-RBI, 408-total base, .306/.390/.670/1.060 season. That seems good. Here’s how good: The only dudes in history who ever had that season were Babe Ruth, Jimmie Foxx and Sammy Sosa.
The knee-jerk reaction upon seeing the 3 names at the end of that paragraph might be: "One of these names just doesn't belong here." But if you take a look at Sosa's stats from 1998-2001, you realize how incredible his steroids-fueled run was over that span. (1997, 2002 and 2003 weren't chopped liver, either.)
In 1998, thru July 3, Sosa's numbers were 33 HRs, 81 RBIs, 1.053 OPS.
Ohtani's were 31-68-1.054 this season.
Ohtani also pitched a little, sources say. And of course, Sosa tended to get extra pop from what he joked were "Flintstones vitamins." So I'd obviously still take Ohtani 10 times out of 10.
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Think that Cards loss last night was officially rock bottom
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Think that Cards loss last night was officially rock bottom
Yadi would have fielded that tapper.
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Money Isn’t Winning in MLB This Season. Is That Good or Bad for Baseball?
https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2023/7/4/23783539/mlb-standings-payroll-discrepancy-mets-padres-rays-reds-diamondbacks
The high-payroll Mets and Padres are flailing. The low-budget Rays, Diamondbacks, Orioles, and Reds are thriving. What’s behind MLB’s topsy-turvy standings? And what could it portend about the future of the sport?
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I have two thoughts, but I am not necessarily sure how accurate they are.
1. Due to the nature of the CBA, free agency comes when players are at their peak. Teams then dole out big contracts that look great at the time, but you end up paying a lot on the downside of the player's career. Teams that ride with players to their peak, sign the ones they can to bonus deals early, and trade away the ones they can't, can lead to success at a much cheaper price.
2. Consistent organizational philosophies from the minors up through the majors is way more important than the players you add via free agency. I think Houston is an example of a team that has done both pretty well.
I will also add that hiring Buck Showalter to manage your team in this day and age is just malpractice.
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Which is why I want the Brewers to hit a big losing streak before the deadline. Trade away Burnes and Woody for two farms.
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Due to the nature of the CBA, free agency comes when players are at their peak. Teams then dole out big contracts that look great at the time, but you end up paying a lot on the downside of the player's career. Teams that ride with players to their peak, sign the ones they can to bonus deals early, and trade away the ones they can't, can lead to success at a much cheaper price.
Totally agree with this. I think baseball free agency is comparable to RBs in free agency in the NFL. By the time you are paying them, they are - at best - at their peak for another couple years. You are mostly paying for past performance and future decline.
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https://twitter.com/hgomez27/status/1677542578491645952?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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Elly gets a 2 out single to drive in the lead run. Then he steals second. Then he steals third. Then he steals home.
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I see a kid steal second, third and home several times a year when I umpire 10-12 year olds. But this is the first time an MLB player has done that since Rod Carew in 1969!
Elly is amazing - the most exciting player in baseball.
If he can keep this up, and if the Reds go on to win the division, it will spark a nice MVP debate. He won't have the stats to beat out the likes of Acuna ... but given that the Reds were awful until they turned into a competitive team pretty much the day Elly arrived, it could be argued that's the very definition of "most valuable."
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I know I’m biased because I’m a Guardians fan, but this is a thing of beauty.
https://twitter.com/cleguardians/status/1677825008943480832?s=46&t=h4SZwr6Xm-yQoPfDH3gYKw
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I know I’m biased because I’m a Guardians fan, but this is a thing of beauty.
https://twitter.com/cleguardians/status/1677825008943480832?s=46&t=h4SZwr6Xm-yQoPfDH3gYKw
That’s nothing to do with bias, that was ABSURD. That off balance catch and relay from Gimenez was preposterous
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David Ross has been pretty angry lately.
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Channeling his inner Cardinal fan.
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Bout time they tried to make the game more fun/interesting. And finally got around to marketing the players like the NFL and NBA do.
The MLB All-Star game used to be the gold standard of these games.
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Talking to the pitcher while he is pitching is outstanding.
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Talking to the pitcher while he is pitching is outstanding.
Then pitcher/batter at same time. Was a brief AB though
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Back to back series wins against the Reds with three straight shutouts.
Didn't see it going this way, but its been nice to watch.
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Yeli back with his dealer it seems.
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Yeli back with his dealer it seems.
Peddle hiz azz, aina?
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Pablo Lopez sucked yesterday. But has great metrics this year.
Twins fans have been on tilt as Arraez chases .400 talking about it being a bad trade(never was, never will be). Lopez has been going toe to toe with Arraez in bWar. And we upgraded a position we really needed.
Here is the craziest thing. The trade actually is way better for the Twins when you consider they have a young talent adequately replacing Arraez. Issue is, Twins hate their young talent and mostly relegate Julien to the bench.
Arraez: .380/.431/.468 .899 OPS
Julien: .285/.359/.518 .877 OPS
If the twins start following the lead of teams like the Orioles. And just play their best players every day. They will coast to the playoffs and have a punchers chance with the rotation in the playoffs and a couple trade moves.
Keep batting Buxton 3rd against lefties with a .132/.222/.221 line while benching Kirilloff simply because hes left handed. And Guardians may steal it.
Julien and Kirilloff stole one vs the A's today as a pinch hitter and 9 hole hitter haha.
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Peddle hiz azz, aina?
I saw an article over the break saying the Dodgers could make an attractive deal to the Brewers for Corbin Burnes by taking Yeli’s big contract off their hands. Yes. In order for you to get our Cy Young winner please take our best offensive player.
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The comparisons of a possible Angels trade of Ohtani to the Red Sox's trade of Babe Ruth more than a century ago are already getting old. They're also both misleading and dopey.
If the Red Sox hadn't traded Ruth, they could have kept him his entire career and he couldn't have done a damn thing about it except cash their checks and play baseball for them. That's simply the way it was back then; free agency was still decades and decades away.
If the Angels don't trade Ohtani, he says see-ya and they get nothing.
Trading the best player in the game -- and, as importantly to the business, the best draw in the game -- would suck big-time. But unless you are at least 50% sure you have a chance to keep him, you've gotta trade him, no?
Keeping him for two months just so you can tell your fans, "See we tried? Now enjoy the next decade of suck-i-tude," seems pretty foolish.
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Peddle his ass, hey?
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The comparisons of a possible Angels trade of Ohtani to the Red Sox's trade of Babe Ruth more than a century ago are already getting old. They're also both misleading and dopey.
If the Red Sox hadn't traded Ruth, they could have kept him his entire career and he couldn't have done a damn thing about it except cash their checks and play baseball for them. That's simply the way it was back then; free agency was still decades and decades away.
If the Angels don't trade Ohtani, he says see-ya and they get nothing.
Trading the best player in the game -- and, as importantly to the business, the best draw in the game -- would suck big-time. But unless you are at least 50% sure you have a chance to keep him, you've gotta trade him, no?
Keeping him for two months just so you can tell your fans, "See we tried? Now enjoy the next decade of suck-i-tude," seems pretty foolish.
Babe Ruth was also only 24. Ohtani is 29.
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Babe Ruth was also only 24. Ohtani is 29.
True. But the whole comparison is stupid and lazy. Like every other player of his era, Ruth basically was a paid prisoner. If he wanted to play MLB, he had no choice but to play for the Red Sox.
Thankfully, Ohtani can take advantage of freedom of movement and capitalism.
EDIT:
Writing for The Athletic, former Reds GM Jim Bowden says the top 4 realistic suitors for Ohtani before the trade deadline would be the Rays, Dodgers, Mariners and Rangers. He said they have the young talent available to deal, as well as incentive to make noise this season. He listed several other teams expected to bid for Ohtani once he hits free agency, and the Rays obviously aren't among those.
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Edouard Julien>Luis Arraez.
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Ohtani leading the league in triples as well
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87% of readers who responded to a poll by The Athletic said the Angels should trade Ohtani before the deadline.
Those polls are nothing close to scientific ... but 87%!
And it seems pretty obvious. If you're almost surely gonna miss the postseason (AGAIN - 6 seasons with Ohtani, 6 seasons with losing records), you simply can't let one of the most talented players in baseball history leave without getting anything in return.
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I saw an article over the break saying the Dodgers could make an attractive deal to the Brewers for Corbin Burnes by taking Yeli’s big contract off their hands. Yes. In order for you to get our Cy Young winner please take our best offensive player.
This would actually be fine by me. Start the rebuild by selling as high as possible on these two guys.
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This would actually be fine by me. Start the rebuild by selling as high as possible on these two guys.
Yeah if they're giving us their entire farm I'd be good with it. But the article was suggesting that they'd get Burnes for cheap by taking Yelich off our hands. Yelich is valuable.
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Is Yelich’s contract even that bad if he’s playing like this?
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Is Yelich’s contract even that bad if he’s playing like this?
You're referring to a pretty small sample set compared to the last three years. ;)
Yeah if they're giving us their entire farm I'd be good with it. But the article was suggesting that they'd get Burnes for cheap by taking Yelich off our hands. Yelich is valuable.
Yeah, there would have to be something in it for the Brewers besides dumping Yelich's contract.
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This would actually be fine by me. Start the rebuild by selling as high as possible on these two guys.
The rebuild? This is what the Brewers are going to be. They are going to be competitive and hope to snag a Wild Card spot or a division title and see what happens.
There may be a time and a place to trade Yelich, but its not now.
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The rebuild? This is what the Brewers are going to be. They are going to be competitive and hope to snag a Wild Card spot or a division title and see what happens.
There may be a time and a place to trade Yelich, but its not now.
Yup.
Just get in the Playoffs and hope the Big 3 starters get hot.
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The rebuild? This is what the Brewers are going to be. They are going to be competitive and hope to snag a Wild Card spot or a division title and see what happens.
There may be a time and a place to trade Yelich, but its not now.
They're a team that will always be built cheap and around prospects. Burness is super gone the moment he can get out of town, and Yelich is an expensive asset that hasn't lived up to his contract.
They'd just be doing their due diligence by off loading them while loading up on players with potential and small contracts.
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Not saying anyone here, but I'm always perplexed when fans of a legitimate playoff contender wants their team to be sellers at the deadline.
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They're a team that will always be built cheap and around prospects. Burness is super gone the moment he can get out of town, and Yelich is an expensive asset that hasn't lived up to his contract.
They'd just be doing their due diligence by off loading them while loading up on players with potential and small contracts.
Yelich not living up to his contract doesn’t mean he’s still not valuable or the best option available.
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Julien might challenge Ohtani for MVP.
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Appears Burnes has found it again.
Brewers need to add bats but what’s going to be available looks pretty sad
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5/6 on the road against two playoff hopefuls is a great way to start the second act
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It’s been a fun debut for Frelick
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Fire Counsell said some ball knower
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It’s been a fun debut for Frelick
Hard for one guy to impact a game more than that. Drove in half the teams runs, almost half the teams hits, and likely prevented an inning where the Braves would have blown the game open. Sensational.
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Not saying anyone here, but I'm always perplexed when fans of a legitimate playoff contender wants their team to be sellers at the deadline.
100% agree. I’m not very optimistic about the Brewers chances either, especially all their injuries. But sellers for a team in first who just went 5-1 against your primary division contender?! Plus, baseball postseason recently has produced teams that get hot at the right time and do something special even though regular seasons looked nothing special and they weren’t in the conversation of best teams on paper. Recent championships for the Braves and Nationals showed that.
I’m not at all predicting that’s going to be this year’s Brewers, but let’s see what might happen. This is a team in its 54th season with one World Series appearance and zero titles.
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When White Sox pitchers strike out 14 or more batters in a game this season, their record is now 0-10.
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When White Sox pitchers strike out 14 or more batters in a game this season, their record is now 0-10.
Is KenHa finally gowne?
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Rizzo with first HR since May 20. Wow.
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Rizzo with first HR since May 20. Wow.
At this point he will take anything
But it was a homer vs the worst pitcher in baseball and it was only a homer at Yankee stadium. Would not have been a homer in any of the other 29 parks haha
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It’s been a fun debut for Frelick
I saw replays of his first hit and the least surprising thing is that Adames was the one to make sure to grab the ball for him.
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100% agree. I’m not very optimistic about the Brewers chances either, especially all their injuries. But sellers for a team in first who just went 5-1 against your primary division contender?! Plus, baseball postseason recently has produced teams that get hot at the right time and do something special even though regular seasons looked nothing special and they weren’t in the conversation of best teams on paper. Recent championships for the Braves and Nationals showed that.
I’m not at all predicting that’s going to be this year’s Brewers, but let’s see what might happen. This is a team in its 54th season with one World Series appearance and zero titles.
They shouldn't sell, but at this point, I don't know if I'd buy either. There's too many holes in that lineup.
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The Athletic's Jim Bowden had a "mailbox" article today, and was asked about the Brewers possibly trading Burnes. His answer:
The Brewers are not trading Burnes; they are planning to contend with him as their ace. They are buyers this year and they’re looking for a bat, although they could stand pat and just promote from within, like they did Saturday when they called up Sal Frelick, who had one heck of a debut.
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Yeah, of course they are buyers. They are not only winning the NL Central, but have the third best record in the NL so a Wild Card is a real possibility.
Not to mention they have one more year of Burnes under their control. They can see what happens in the off-season or just go into next year with him and see what transpires.
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Not to mention they have one more year of Burnes under their control. They can see what happens in the off-season or just go into next year with him and see what transpires.
I'm fine keeping Burnes if Mark decides that he's gonna actually allow Arnold to go get some dudes. If not, they're capped at winning a bad division.
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The Rays have lost 14 of 18 in July and have losing streaks of 7 and 5 games this month...yet they still have the 3rd best record in baseball and are 2 games behind Baltimore for best record in the AL. Puts into perspective what an INSANE start to the year they had.
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The Rays have lost 14 of 18 in July and have losing streaks of 7 and 5 games this month...yet they still have the 3rd best record in baseball and are 2 games behind Baltimore for best record in the AL. Puts into perspective what an INSANE start to the year they had.
Still a good team but I knew they would crash down to earth.
They have like 7 guys with seasons that heavily imply needles usage. That wasnt gonna hold. And they still have like 3 starting pitchers, one be GlASSnow
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I'm fine keeping Burnes if Mark decides that he's gonna actually allow Arnold to go get some dudes. If not, they're capped at winning a bad division.
It kind of feels that is their strategy. Be just good enough to win a bad division and hope to get hot in the playoffs.
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Rizzo with first HR since May 20. Wow.
He partially credits changing his walk-up song to a Taylor Swift song.
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I'd trade Burnes if the deal was right. I wouldn't be calling teams hoping to find that deal, but you'll get the biggest return at this trade deadline. The Brewers stink. They just stink less than the Reds, Cubs, Pirates, and Cardinals. If Woody gets healthy I guess a rotation of Burnes, Woody, Freddy, and Miley/Houser/Teheran could make things interesting in a Playoff series, but we've seen it just about every year since 2018, you need to be able to score SOME runs down the stretch of a season and in the Playoffs. The Brewers are 22nd in home runs, 27th in OPS, and 28th in slugging. The Brewers would need a middle of the lineup bat plus another power hitter to contend. They aren't giving up Chourio or Frelick, so they'll only be adding around the margins by buying. They aren't making a Championship Series this year.
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It kind of feels that is their strategy. Be just good enough to win a bad division and hope to get hot in the playoffs.
Brewers fans were so starved for success, that they were great with that strategy. And Mark loved it because he didn't have to stretch much financially.
At this point, especially with the public being asked to fund the ballpark again, it shouldn't fly. They've wasted some real opportunities to win a pennant by not taking advantage of this window of controlled starting pitching.
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In my opinion, Mark's been pretty good at knowing when to make a push and when to hold.
2008 makes the big deal for CC and it pays off in the first Playoff appearance for the Brewers in a quarter century.
Never contenders the next 2 years.
2011 makes the big deal for Greinke (and Yuni B)
2012 could've done more, but had a lot of injuries
2013-2016 just weren't good/competitive
2017 could've done more, but were 6 games out of the division and 7 games out of the wild card, and were 59-59 on August 11. They finished the year strong.
2018 traded for Yeli going into the season, then Moustakas and Schoop (who stunk in Milwaukee, but was good prior to the trade) mid season.
2019 probably should've gone for a starting pitcher, but Davies/Woody/Houser/Gonzalez was good enough if they had closed out the Nationals WC game.
2020 they stunk
2021 traded for Adames. Needed one more bat
2022 (and 2023) just not that good, in my opinion.
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As long as the brewers aren't trading any top prospects, adding a bat would be nice.
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As long as the brewers aren't trading any top prospects, adding a bat would be nice.
Co-sign. I'd have to look at the list of impending free agents to know exactly who I think would be a good target, but streaky hitters with power should come (relatively) cheap and fit the "get hot at the right time" strategy. Kind of like Soler for the Braves. Maybe a Hunter Renfroe reunion? CJ Cron?
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Co-sign. I'd have to look at the list of impending free agents to know exactly who I think would be a good target, but streaky hitters with power should come (relatively) cheap and fit the "get hot at the right time" strategy. Kind of like Soler for the Braves. Maybe a Hunter Renfroe reunion? CJ Cron?
Cody Bellinger, but not sure the Brewers want to trade in-division.
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Supposedly, numerous teams are very interested in Bellinger, so I'm not sure how cheap he'd be to acquire.
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Milwaukee's Joey Wiemer robbed Elly De La Cruz of an HR in the first inning. So when Elly came back up in the 3rd, the scoreboard taunted him with: "ALMOST HIT A HOME RUN IN THE FIRST INNING ... BUT DIDN'T."
Elly promptly launched a 456-foot HR.
The Brewers won anyway on Yelich's 9th-inning hit.
Gotta love pennant-race baseball!
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I do love the fact that the scoreboard operators are getting a little salty. The Rockies guy does something like this prior to every game.
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After Frelick's first career hit/AB the scoreboard said that he "Leads all active players in BA (min 1 AB)". Pretty funny
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Love seeing the Brewers beat the Reds again.
They appear to have the "Twitter fanbase" this year. Had a collective meltdown that a few barstool randoms gave the Twins the 9th spot in the weekly power rankings over the -4 run differential Reds who have lost 7/8 against their only divisional competition.
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Love seeing the Brewers beat the Reds again.
They appear to have the "Twitter fanbase" this year. Had a collective meltdown that a few barstool randoms gave the Twins the 9th spot in the weekly power rankings over the -4 run differential Reds who have lost 7/8 against their only divisional competition.
A sports fanbase being irrational on Twitter? No way!
You ever seen an MUScoop Gameday thread? Well, of course you have. You're one of the most irrational, active posters in them!
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A sports fanbase being irrational on Twitter? No way!
You ever seen an MUScoop Gameday thread? Well, of course you have. You're one of the most irrational, active posters in them!
Coming from the guy whose only purpose is to bring everyone together in unison against a common punching bag.
Have you sought therapy yet?? Or do we all have to sit in fear until the day you finally snap??
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Brewers scoreboard guys with another W
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Brewers scoreboard guys with another W
Ha. That’s great.
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White Sox trade Giolito and Reynaldo Lopez to the Angels for prospects C Edgar Quero (#65 prospect in MLB Pipeline top 100) and LHP Ky Bush.
Reasonable return for a guy the White Sox almost certainly weren't re-signing.
Guess the Angels aren't going to be sellers.
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White Sox trade Giolito and Reynaldo Lopez to the Angels for prospects C Edgar Quero (#65 prospect in MLB Pipeline top 100) and LHP Ky Bush.
Reasonable return for a guy the White Sox almost certainly weren't re-signing.
Guess the Angels aren't going to be sellers.
They announced they won't trade Ohtani and will try to make the playoffs. Two weeks ago, that would have seemed foolish, but they're playing well now (7-2 since July 15), they're only 4 games out of the wild-card (and the teams above them - Tor, Bos, NYY - are hardly juggernauts), and they hope to get Trout back fairly soon.
Might as well go for it and make one last push not only to achieve something but to convince Ohtani that they're serious about wanting to win. If things happen to really go south and they are hopelessly out of the race a month from now, it's still possible to make a big trade before Sept. 1 - there have been many times over the years that superstars have cleared waivers so deals can get done.
I like that the Angels are taking this stance and I'm hoping they stay in it till the end. If so, it will be the first time in his career that Ohtani will have faced pressure situations in Sept/Oct, and it will be real interesting to see if the best player in baseball can also be one of the best pressure players.
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On one hand I respect teams playing to win. And its nice to not just see teams selling off talent.
But idk about this one Angels. The odds of them making the playoffs is still very slim. They have to catch most of Houston/Texas, Toronto, New York, Boston. And stay ahead of Seattle.
They already have a bad farm system. So now they will lose a generational talent for nothing. Still have a bad farm.
For the White Sox, pretty meh return for Giolito AND Lopez. Bush is starting to project as a potential reliever himself. And the Angels already have a top catcher close to the bigs and the guy they gave up while he has great potential is flat lining a bit too and his big season may be a product of hitter friendly minors league. So Sox coulda tried for a little more since Angels were not even trading from a need.
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They announced they won't trade Ohtani and will try to make the playoffs. Two weeks ago, that would have seemed foolish, but they're playing well now (7-2 since July 15), they're only 4 games out of the wild-card (and the teams above them - Tor, Bos, NYY - are hardly juggernauts), and they hope to get Trout back fairly soon.
Might as well go for it and make one last push not only to achieve something but to convince Ohtani that they're serious about wanting to win. If things happen to really go south and they are hopelessly out of the race a month from now, it's still possible to make a big trade before Sept. 1 - there have been many times over the years that superstars have cleared waivers so deals can get done.
I like that the Angels are taking this stance and I'm hoping they stay in it till the end. If so, it will be the first time in his career that Ohtani will have faced pressure situations in Sept/Oct, and it will be real interesting to see if the best player in baseball can also be one of the best pressure players.
I think August 1 is a hard deadline. There is no longer an extended deadline with waivers.
Making these types of decisions when a hot streak gets you within shouting distance of a Wild Card spot isn't a good idea.
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I think August 1 is a hard deadline. There is no longer an extended deadline with waivers.
Making these types of decisions when a hot streak gets you within shouting distance of a Wild Card spot isn't a good idea.
Thanks for that correction. You're very right; found this on MLB.com:
The Trade Deadline is the last point during the season at which players on 40-man rosters can be traded from one club to another. Those players may still be placed and claimed on outright waivers, but trades will no longer be permitted after Aug. 1 at 6 p.m. ET. Prior to 2019, July 31 was referred to as the non-waiver Trade Deadline, and players could be traded after that date if they first cleared revocable trade waivers. The August waiver trade period was eliminated in 2019, with MLB moving to a single Deadline.
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For the White Sox, pretty meh return for Giolito AND Lopez. Bush is starting to project as a potential reliever himself. And the Angels already have a top catcher close to the bigs and the guy they gave up while he has great potential is flat lining a bit too and his big season may be a product of hitter friendly minors league. So Sox coulda tried for a little more since Angels were not even trading from a need.
I'm pretty excited about Quero. Not a lot players his age ( turned 20 in April) skip High A entirely and have immediate success in Double A. He's still very, very young for that level. The fact that he's still drawing more walks than strikeouts despite what was probably an overly aggressive promotion bodes well.
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It's pretty bad when you trade for a first baseman who has an OPS of .732 and it's a major upgrade.
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1st game of doubleheader- Ohtani throws a one-hitter.
2nd game of doubleheader - 2 HRs so far.
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Tigers go into sell mode.
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1st game of doubleheader- Ohtani throws a one-hitter.
2nd game of doubleheader - 2 HRs so far.
Insanely good.
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It's pretty bad when you trade for a first baseman who has an OPS of .732 and it's a major upgrade.
With the Brewer's luck the kid they gave the pirates will end up being the next big thing.
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With the Brewer's luck the kid they gave the pirates will end up being the next big thing.
I don’t know about that. I feel like they’ve done pretty well not giving up prospects that end up hitting.
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It's pretty bad when you trade for a first baseman who has an OPS of .732 and it's a major upgrade.
Hes 10th/36 qualified 1B defensively too.
As you said, its kinda sad that this marks a big upgrade. But it does at least.
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On one hand I respect teams playing to win. And its nice to not just see teams selling off talent.
But idk about this one Angels. The odds of them making the playoffs is still very slim. They have to catch most of Houston/Texas, Toronto, New York, Boston. And stay ahead of Seattle.
They already have a bad farm system. So now they will lose a generational talent for nothing. Still have a bad farm.
For the White Sox, pretty meh return for Giolito AND Lopez. Bush is starting to project as a potential reliever himself. And the Angels already have a top catcher close to the bigs and the guy they gave up while he has great potential is flat lining a bit too and his big season may be a product of hitter friendly minors league. So Sox coulda tried for a little more since Angels were not even trading from a need.
Super young top-100 prospect (Top in Angels Org) and a lefty who could start as soon as next season for two expiring contracts in a year that is all but over? not sure what is meh about that. Unless you mean they could have gotten more?
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I don’t know about that. I feel like they’ve done pretty well not giving up prospects that end up hitting.
One of the few I remember was Michael Taylor for the Sabathia trade. Also, Lorenzo Cain in the Greinke trade.
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Super young top-100 prospect (Top in Angels Org) and a lefty who could start as soon as next season for two expiring contracts in a year that is all but over? not sure what is meh about that. Unless you mean they could have gotten more?
Bush is fading, a lot of projections have him as potentially more of a long term reliever with backend rotation potential at best.
Quero definitely has promise, as mentioned by Pakuni the K/BB rate is very nice and hes young. But his stock has dropped a bit this year and he hit in a very hitter friendly league last year. Also im always warying of catchers panning out. There are the freaks Mauer/Posey/Rutschman that you know will but a lot of ? at that position.
I just am not super enamored by the return, but again Angels farm isnt exactly loaded. Sox do need a catcher though so there isnt denying that.
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A top 100 prospect at a premium position, who is one of the youngest players in AA, and a 6’6” lefty (who was recently in the Futures Game) for an alright SP and a mediocre RP, both of whom are going to walk in 2 months?
Sign me up. Nothing meh about that return. And I don’t give the Sox front office much credit for anything these days otherwise.
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Cardinals fans at peak cardinals fans last night
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Cardinals fans at peak cardinals fans last night
Chip Caray is an absolute moron. Imagine believing that situation needed “policing”. And good on the umps.
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Chip Caray is an absolute moron. Imagine believing that situation needed “policing”. And good on the umps.
Especially since Happ was obviously apologetic for hitting Contreras on the back swing. Easy call to toss him.
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Yesterday's performance by Ohtani might have been the best single-day, regular-season outing by a player in MLB history.
In 1968, Catfish Hunter pitched a perfect game against a Twins team that included 3 Hall of Famers (Carew, Killebrew, Oliva), and he also drove in 3 of Oakland's 4 runs. That's gotta be up there.
I'm sure there might have been a few other candidates, but a very few.
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His breaking pitches were moving like whiffle balls. They put up a graphic about his strikeouts that looked a connect-the-dots around the rectangular lines of the strike zone. Nothing in the middle.
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He sounds like a video game player creation. It's insane.
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One of the few I remember was Michael Taylor for the Sabathia trade. Also, Lorenzo Cain in the Greinke trade.
Nelson Cruz to the Rangers in the Francisco Cordero trade.
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One of the few I remember was Michael Taylor for the Sabathia trade. Also, Lorenzo Cain in the Greinke trade.
Not to nitpick, but I think it was Michael Brantley in the CC trade. Agreed that LoCain was probably the most impactful player traded away by the Brewers in recent memory, though we knew that getting two years of Greinke was going to be expensive. Every player in that deal ended up being a meaningful big league piece - Greinke and Yuni B for LoCain, Alcides Escobar, Jake Odorizzi and Jeremy Jeffress.
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Yeah, I more meant in the smaller moves the Brewers have made. Guys like Santana, Schoop, Mouse, etc. They did give up some pieces that hit in the CC and Greinke trades, but those deals were always going to be worth it.
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Agreed that LoCain was probably the most impactful player traded away by the Brewers in recent memory,
Nelson Cruz is right up there with Cain.
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Nelson Cruz is right up there with Cain.
Nelson Cruz turning into an absolute monster was not something many people saw coming.
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Nelson Cruz turning into an absolute monster was not something many people saw coming.
That whole deal, Carlos Lee and Nelson Cruz, for Layne Nix, Kevin Mensch (and his enormous head), and Francisco Cordero was a bit of a fleecing by the Rangers.
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Nelson Cruz turning into an absolute monster was not something many people saw coming.
I believe after the trade, the Rangers DFA’s him, so he was available to all. But definitely still someone who had a great career after the trade.
Thanks for the Brantley correction!
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That whole deal, Carlos Lee and Nelson Cruz, for Layne Nix, Kevin Mensch (and his enormous head), and Francisco Cordero was a bit of a fleecing by the Rangers.
That's a good call. That was not a good deal by the Brewers.
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Nelson Cruz is right up there with Cain.
More than fair. He has mashed a lot of taters for a long time. I also tend to underrate/overlook that other than the year LoCain finished 3rd in the MVP voting, Cruz's peak was right there with Cain. I didn't realize Cruz finished T-10 in MVP voting five times.
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I believe after the trade, the Rangers DFA’s him, so he was available to all. But definitely still someone who had a great career after the trade.
Thanks for the Brantley correction!
Ahhh...forgot about the DFA.
And the funny thing about Brantley was he was a bit of a throw in on the CC trade. Matt LaPorta, who ended up as a big nothing, was the big name in that trade.
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Ahhh...forgot about the DFA.
And the funny thing about Brantley was he was a bit of a throw in on the CC trade. Matt LaPorta, who ended up as a big nothing, was the big name in that trade.
I also remember everyone was hoping Taylor Green wouldn’t be the PTBNL. Who turned out to not be the star people hoped.
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Are the cubs becoming buyers here in the last days of July? 6 straight wins and 9-4 since all star break. Or is it the more likely case of another hot streak followed by a very cold streak?
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Are the cubs becoming buyers here in the last days of July? 6 straight wins and 9-4 since all star break. Or is it the more likely case of another hot streak followed by a very cold streak?
Amazing play to seal the win tonight.
If they buy I think it’s just at the margins - they’re not going to trade away any significant talent.
I don’t think they can sell at this point, however.
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Cubs are in a bit of a pickle. They should probably sell but they’re hot and in a weak division.
Would offload Bellinger no matter what, maybe keep Stroman at this point.
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Cubs are in a bit of a pickle. They should probably sell but they’re hot and in a weak division.
Would offload Bellinger no matter what, maybe keep Stroman at this point.
If the choice was trading one of them I’d do the absolute opposite.
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Amazing play to seal the win tonight.
If they buy I think it’s just at the margins - they’re not going to trade away any significant talent.
I don’t think they can sell at this point, however.
Agree on all of this. That's one of the best final-out catches I can remember seeing. And how can one of MLB's richest teams be sellers now?
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Agree on all of this. That's one of the best final-out catches I can remember seeing. And how can one of MLB's richest teams be sellers now?
Logically, if they had not made this run to get into striking distance of the division and a wild card spot, selling two of the best assets on the market (Bellinger & Stroman) would have been an easy and correct decision.
Now, selling would still probably be best for the team's future as the the odds to make the playoffs are still relatively low (depending on your source - Baseball Reference gives them much higher odds than Fangraphs). But you just can't do that at this point. The team is playing well and potentially playing meaningful games the last two months of the season would be good for some of the young guys on the team as well as the fans, obviously. Not to mention it'll be good for the bottom line in terms of ticket sales, merch, concessions.
While some of the trades this past week have yielded higher returns than I would have expected, holding onto Bellinger and Stroman and missing out on a few prospects shouldn't substantively impact the Cubs ability to compete in the coming years. While they don't have a no-doubt superstar in the system like a De La Cruz they have a number high ceiling players (PCA, Alcantara, Horton, etc.) and a ton of good depth. The system is in pretty good shape.
It's a low bar for a big market franchise in a relatively mediocre division, but I'm excited that there's a possibility of watching meaningful baseball the next couple of months.
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Winning 10 of 11 is hard and should be respected. But it sure helps when all 11 games are against 3 of the 5 or 6 worst teams in baseball and most of them were at home.
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Not too late yet for the brewers to be sellers
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Not too late yet for the brewers to be sellers
Should’ve sold on Burnes. Return would be the highest it’ll get this trade deadline. And definitely should’ve tried to offload Yelich’s contract.
Set your window up for when your outfield is Mitchell, Churio, and Frelich.
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Reds lit up Stroman, and Abbott didn't fare much better for Cinci. Elly did absolutely nothing, but the Reds had just enough hitting to get a huge win.
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Not too late yet for the brewers to be sellers
A lot of baseball left and NL Central is wide open for the taking. Brewers have tiebreaker on the Reds too.
But they need to stop the bleeding right now and playing the Nationals is an excellent opportunity they can’t afford to waste anymore.
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A lot of baseball left and NL Central is wide open for the taking. Brewers have tiebreaker on the Reds too.
But they need to stop the bleeding right now and playing the Nationals is an excellent opportunity they can’t afford to waste anymore.
0-7 now vs. Colorado, Oakland, and the Nationals.
This is a mediocre baseball team in a bad division.
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0-7 now vs. Colorado, Oakland, and the Nationals.
This is a mediocre baseball team in a bad division.
You're absolutely right, but outside of ATL and LAD I'm not sure anyone in the NL is a clear level ahead.
The Brewers aren't a true contender but they probably aren't bad enough to sell either.
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0-7 now vs. Colorado, Oakland, and the Nationals.
This is a mediocre baseball team in a bad division.
Reds just won a series at LAD. Cubs have been playing very well. The division is ok. It’s not bad. Things happen and change a lot during a 6 month, 162 game season. What was true two months ago, isn’t anymore. I think mediocre is a good description of the NL Central now.
Agree Brewers are mediocre. They’ve added three key bats, let’s see how they do now and if team hitting and OPS improves. Just get in the postseason and weird things can and do happen. History, including recently, proves that.
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The Brewers aren't a true contender but they probably aren't bad enough to sell either.
Agree. The moves they made are largely fine in my eyes. No big swings, but this lineup wasn't gonna get fixed this season. Too many gaps. They got two guys who took them from bad to average in those spots without giving too much up.
I do think this offseason is a bit of a tipping point. Do you load up and try to win one before Burnes and Woodruff exit, or get some good pieces for those guys in the offseason to help accelerate the rebuild?
I think back to 2011 and Fielder's final year. It was the right move for the franchise at that time to play it out, but I think it did probably set them back a couple of years.
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No team is going to sell when they are tied for the final playoff spot as the Brewers are now. Furthermore, their schedule lightens up a lot moving forward, which is why FanGraphs gives them a higher chance of winning the division (54% v. 30%) than the Reds. And a 65% overall chance of making the playoffs.
Are they going to go anywhere if they make the playoffs? Likely not. But this is exactly what the Brewers are going to do every year they are in this spot.
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I love Jake Burger, he is legitimately one of the best good guys in sports. That being said, I have no idea why Miami traded Eder for him.
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I love Jake Burger, he is legitimately one of the best good guys in sports. That being said, I have no idea why Miami traded Eder for him.
Good. Sell everyone except Robert.
Let's see if they can get this Cease deal done to the O's in the next hour for those top prospects and i'll actually be forced to say "good job" to Hahn's dumb@ss for the first time in my life.
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Good. Sell everyone except Robert.
Let's see if they can get this Cease deal done to the O's in the next hour for those top prospects and i'll actually be forced to say "good job" to Hahn's dumb@ss for the first time in my life.
Welp, nevermind: https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1686494743490953216
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Jack Flaherty is finally free
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Put Luis Urias down as one of the most disappointing and frustrating Brewers players of my lifetime
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Rough day for Cardinals fans in the halls of justice
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Cubs have scored 36 runs against Cincy the past two games.
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I love Jake Burger, he is legitimately one of the best good guys in sports. That being said, I have no idea why Miami traded Eder for him.
This was the best sell-side trade at the deadline. Its cool to hear Burger is a great dude - but he has the look of one of those guys who will hit 40 HRs out of nowhere and then get non-tendered a year later. Eder could very conceivably be a #2 or 3 starter in two years.
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This was the best sell-side trade at the deadline. Its cool to hear Burger is a great dude - but he has the look of one of those guys who will hit 40 HRs out of nowhere and then get non-tendered a year later. Eder could very conceivably be a #2 or 3 starter in two years.
The White Sox lead the league in slow, positionless players - they would be a great 12” slow pitch softball team. That they could get a pitcher with Eder’s potential for one of them was remarkable.
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(Except for AAA Oakland A's), the entire AL Central Division leads for worst league won lost record, ie all 5 of the last six spots. Worst division in MLB. Sorry, Twins stuck with Correa.
I have posted nothing on the Astros this season, including as they did little in the offseason, and gave few signs of pushing to repeat in 2023.
1B Abreu has posted Yuli Gurriel's 2022 numbers, so no upgrade at 1st. The 2023 season already ended for SP Garcia (TJ surgery) and SP Lance McCullers (probably career over); SP Urquidy has been out for months, and 2B Altuve and LF/DH Alvarez have missed huge swaths of time. The Astros appeared to be playing out the string, esp. as the 2023 Rangers are doing their once every decade "all in" by huge spending/deals recently. Cory Seager has been great. Team most likely to win in a blowout.
Yet, here we are, August is upon us. The Rangers and Astros are still battling for first (1/2 game). Then Astros reacquire two of their former acquisitions who then left us for FA$$, ...RP Kendall Graveman (orig. trd from Seattle) and SP Justin Verlander (orig. trd. from Detroit) Wow. The Rangers certainly matched with SP Sherzer and SP Montgomery (also C Price). Here, Altuve Alvarez and Urquidy finally are all set to return from injury. It should be a great match down to the playoffs. The rest of my AL season will be Astros/Rangers. Rangers are really formidable, but Astros will be in there, going for 7 straight ALCS.
In a much closer than prior seasons, and with more rooting interest, than confidence, I like the Astros, then Rangers. Lacking playoff exp., Orioles are the sleeper or still a year or so out, and I just can't see the Rays construction getting them
big playoff success. Yanks and Jays spend a lot, but always seem to have unfilled holes. Sorry, Twins stuck with Correa.
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Yeah, kinda just enjoying the absurdity of the AL Central at this time
The 2nd place team was sellers nd the first place team is basically committing malpractice not adding guys when the current roster is overworked(pitching wise) and injured. Its good stuff.
All that needs to be known about the Twins is Vazquez still catches more than 50% of the games.
Jeffers has a OPS of .829, OPS+ of 130. Is the best in baseball at blocking balls. And pitchers like Ryan and Lopez have obnoxious splits when pitching to him(great) and Vazquez(awful). You could argue right now only like a handful of catchers in baseball deserve to be a starter over Jeffers.
Vazquez OPS is below 600 haha
Oh yeah, then the Tigers had one guy with some value and he literally refused to be traded. Cant make it up.
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https://twitter.com/sbnation/status/1687152206754074624?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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https://twitter.com/sbnation/status/1687152206754074624?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
He riots the right (wing) way.
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https://twitter.com/sbnation/status/1687152206754074624?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Cardinals attendance must be down this year.
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Long way to go on the season(and even this game) with the most important baseball still to come.
But its fair to question is Max Scherzer is even a top of the rotation weapon for October
up and down year with Mets with a 4 ERA and lot of homers.
First inning with the Rangers against the hapless White Sox who dont even have Robert or Jimenez in the lineup
3 ER and 37 pitches. Woooooof.
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Long way to go on the season(and even this game) with the most important baseball still to come.
But its fair to question is Max Scherzer is even a top of the rotation weapon for October
up and down year with Mets with a 4 ERA and lot of homers.
First inning with the Rangers against the hapless White Sox who dont even have Robert or Jimenez in the lineup
3 ER and 37 pitches. Woooooof.
He's lost several mph off the fastball, and his breakers hang too often. Not many in baseball history have pitched effectively at that age. Even Seaver, Gibson, Blyleven and Jenkins got old.
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Jeimer Candelario intercepted Yeli's juice.
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Cardinals attendance must be down this year.
Excellent post.
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He's lost several mph off the fastball, and his breakers hang too often. Not many in baseball history have pitched effectively at that age. Even Seaver, Gibson, Blyleven and Jenkins got old.
Unless you're his recent teammate Verlander winning a Cy Young at 39.
Speaking of, what WILD trade this Verlander move was. Mets sending a dump truck of money along with Verlander back to his old team to take him back.
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Unless you're his recent teammate Verlander winning a Cy Young at 39.
Speaking of, what WILD trade this Verlander move was. Mets sending a dump truck of money along with Verlander back to his old team to take him back.
At least the Mets won the off-season
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Unless you're his recent teammate Verlander winning a Cy Young at 39.
Speaking of, what WILD trade this Verlander move was. Mets sending a dump truck of money along with Verlander back to his old team to take him back.
Unlike Scherzer, Verlander has been great for 2 months solid. A few (very few) old pitchers do excel.
Scherzer did finish well today after a rough start.
It was quite a last couple weeks for the Mets, who put themselves in total rebuilding mode less than a year after winning 101 games. And they paid a bazillion bucks for the right to be a laughingstock!
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Unless you're his recent teammate Verlander winning a Cy Young at 39.
Speaking of, what WILD trade this Verlander move was. Mets sending a dump truck of money along with Verlander back to his old team to take him back.
Yeah Mets had to give up the top prospect to not sign him full price last off season. But should work out pretty well.
If JV doesnt wear down(not really showing signs) they have him for 2 years and 2 months(plus playoffs) for like 29 mil I think it is. That is quite the discount to allow to spend other areas.
Edit. Astros obviously gave up the prospect typed too fast
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Since going all-in at the deadline, the Angels are 0-3. Lost last night in painful fashion.
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Yeah Mets had to give up the top prospect to not sign him full price last off season. But should work out pretty well.
If JV doesnt wear down(not really showing signs) they have him for 2 years and 2 months(plus playoffs) for like 29 mil I think it is. That is quite the discount to allow to spend other areas.
Its an incredible deal for Houston if he stays healthy like you said. But Verlander seems to be in the Clemens mold. Clemens won a Cy Young at 39 and again at 42.
While nobody can downplay the fact that they were shameless cheaters on the field/in the dugout, the Astros front office is so consistently impressive year to year.
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Its an incredible deal for Houston if he stays healthy like you said. But Verlander seems to be in the Clemens mold. Clemens won a Cy Young at 39 and again at 42.
While nobody can downplay the fact that they were shameless cheaters on the field/in the dugout, the Astros front office is so consistently impressive year to year.
Yeah they really know what they are doing as a FO undeniable and that team imo is still the favorite to win the AL. Its a wide open race so its not a heavy favorite. But add JV now and its tough to argue.
JV and Framber give them to legit go to guys. Which helps cause rest of rotation is boom or bust. The pen is always very very good.
The lineup is getting back to form. Bregman over the year been coming alive. Abreu at least has a pulse now. McCormick been a revelation. Dubon solid. Pena is meh and a bit of a fluke last year.
Alvarez and Altuve are back. Tucker is Tucker.
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Im ready to call it.
Angels are done.
Going to get nothing for Ohtani. Gave away some of their few prospects for rentals.
This will go down as one of the dumber ownership decisions ever.
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Yeah, I think it seemed obvious to everyone that they let a short hot streak dictate their long-term decision making, which rarely works out.
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Jose knocking out Timmy Toolbag was something every human being wanted to see
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Jose knocking out Timmy Toolbag was something every human being wanted to see
Except for the Cleveland fans who were still hoping they might overtake the Twinkies.
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Jose knocking out Timmy Toolbag was something every human being wanted to see
My buddy who is a huge Guardians fan texted me immediately after cackling. He said his reaction was “Jose what are you doing man? OH SNAP DOWN HE GOES”. What’s funnier to me is that not only did Anderson initiate it and get knocked on his a**…it was on a flailing attempt by a guy who was in a headlock blindly swinging like a drunk frat dude.
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How about those Cubbies.
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How about those Cubbies.
And they didn’t even acquire a domestic abuser to assist the push this time!
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Real clown show on the South Side right now.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38147621/ex-white-sox-reliever-keynan-middleton-rips-club-no-rules-culture
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The Yankees still have a no facial hair rule???
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Real clown show on the South Side right now.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38147621/ex-white-sox-reliever-keynan-middleton-rips-club-no-rules-culture
Its such a shame too because that team has/soon-to-be had as much young talent as any in recent memory, but leadership was always going to be at a premium. To have spent years building that core and then install TLR to run it is legitimately baseball malpractice, and its starting to seem like it set the franchise back a whole rebuilding cycle.
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Its such a shame too because that team has/soon-to-be had as much young talent as any in recent memory, but leadership was always going to be at a premium. To have spent years building that core and then install TLR to run it is legitimately baseball malpractice, and its starting to seem like it set the franchise back a whole rebuilding cycle.
As a Cubs fan I'm more amused by it than anything.
A couple of years ago it looked like the team was set up nicely in the AL Central for an extended period with some of the guys they had locked into to reasonable long-term contracts. Then between hiring TLR, to health to significant underperformance by a bunch of guys it's crazy how quickly it all crashed and burned.
Rick Hahn is lucky he works for Reinsdorf - I'm not sure he'd still be employed anywhere else.
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Twins have control in the Central again. Hopefully they dont go get swept in Detroit the way they did in KC a little over a week ago.
Typically injuries cripple teams, but it could be aruged that injuries have saved the Twins season. Has forced the organizations hand to ride the youth. And they are flourishing.
Of course thats two fold because two of the current injuries are Kirilloff and Lewis. But the young guys are taking the reigns. And with 2019 Max Kepler back its a decent lineup.
Probably should have traded for some relievers and gotten a right handed bat though.......like duh.
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Timmy gets 6 games.
Jose only 3
The tough breaks keep coming for TA.
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Helps the tank
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The Orioles suspended one of their announcers ... for having the temerity to mention something that the team's PR staff had put in that day's press notes!
From The Athletic:
Baltimore Orioles announcer Kevin Brown was removed from the team’s broadcasts over a comment he made on July 23 during the Orioles’ series against the Tampa Bay Rays, multiple sources briefed on the decision confirmed to The Athletic on Monday. Awful Announcing first reported the news.
He is expected to return to the broadcast booth Friday, sources briefed on the matter told The Athletic.
Brown pointed out during the on-air broadcast on MASN that the Orioles had won more games at Tampa Bay’s Tropicana Field in 2023 than the last three years combined. The comment was backed up in the July 23 game notes, which are put together by the team’s public relations staff. “The Orioles have won three of the first five games at The Trop this season after winning three of the 21 games played in St. Petersburg from 2020-22,” the game notes said.
Despite it being in the game notes, ownership took exception to Brown pointing it out, sources said, believing it made them sound cheap. Baltimore ranks 29th in Major League Baseball in payroll.
Brown, who started as a radio broadcaster for Baltimore in 2019, has been a popular fixture on Orioles telecasts for the past two seasons.
Idiocy.
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has it been discussed here and/or did anyone realize the brewers were looking for a new home/relocation because their 22 year old place needs $450 mil in renovations??
wow! what is it these stadiums need today? indoor water parks? casinos?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/mlb/article-12398899/Milwaukee-Brewers-said-begin-exploring-relocation-seeks-448m-stadium-renovations.html
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I think a lot of this is being targeted to fund deferred maintenance that the stadium district is required to fund as part of their lease.
Anyway, I am sure they'll get a deal done.
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Yea, I think this is just a lot of negotiation. Especially trying to take advantage of the A’s being in the news about moving to Vegas.
Similar to the Bucks.
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there are quite a few "hungry" cities out there that are probably driving this. nashville, charlotte, raleigh durham, austin,
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Nashville is funny, since that is the brewers' AAA team.
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there are quite a few "hungry" cities out there that are probably driving this. nashville, charlotte, raleigh durham, austin,
But are they really hungry? The As have been a relocation candidate for years and its not as though these cities are stepping up to build them something.
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But are they really hungry? The As have been a relocation candidate for years and its not as though these cities are stepping up to build them something.
Exactly. There is small but vocal contingent in Charlotte that is pushing hard for an MLB team, but the overall feeling here is that we'd have trouble supporting one.
Our Triple-A ballpark is as nice as any in the minors but it's very small and the footprint is too small to expand it to MLB size. So a whole new ballpark would have to be built, too. I have trouble believing that Charlotte is a serious candidate for either expansion or relocation.
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Exactly. There is small but vocal contingent in Charlotte that is pushing hard for an MLB team, but the overall feeling here is that we'd have trouble supporting one.
Our Triple-A ballpark is as nice as any in the minors but it's very small and the footprint is too small to expand it to MLB size. So a whole new ballpark would have to be built, too. I have trouble believing that Charlotte is a serious candidate for either expansion or relocation.
Not doubting your informed local opinion, but what do you think thats based on? Charlotte is bigger than any of the other metros being discussed for relocation. The Knights have one of the best attendances in MiLB and you have a lot of transplants from baseball loving areas in the North.
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Not doubting your informed local opinion, but what do you think thats based on? Charlotte is bigger than any of the other metros being discussed for relocation. The Knights have one of the best attendances in MiLB and you have a lot of transplants from baseball loving areas in the North.
For one thing, there seems to be no political will to make it happen. There are brawls every time any funding for the Panthers' or Hornets' facilities need upgrades ... and now there would be another mouth to feed? Judging from comments in news reports about MLB's potential here, there doesn't appear to be an appetite to throw $1B or more taxpayer money at whatever billionaire(s) might want to bring a team here.
The Knights' stadium was delayed because a lawsuit was brought against building a minor-league park - the plaintiffs said Charlotte should be thinking bigger and building an MLB park. The lawsuit failed, and numerous community leaders said they didn't think we could support a big-league team.
Also, like a lot of not-really-established markets, we have mostly fair-weather fans here. Unless the Panthers are winning big, they don't come close to filling the stadium for even 8-9 home dates - and that's the NFL.
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For one thing, there seems to be no political will to make it happen. There are brawls every time any funding for the Panthers' or Hornets' facilities need upgrades ... and now there would be another mouth to feed? Judging from comments in news reports about MLB's potential here, there doesn't appear to be an appetite to throw $1B or more taxpayer money at whatever billionaire(s) might want to bring a team here.
The Knights' stadium was delayed because a lawsuit was brought against building a minor-league park - the plaintiffs said Charlotte should be thinking bigger and building an MLB park. The lawsuit failed, and numerous community leaders said they didn't think we could support a big-league team.
Also, like a lot of not-really-established markets, we have mostly fair-weather fans here. Unless the Panthers are winning big, they don't come close to filling the stadium for even 8-9 home dates - and that's the NFL.
Sounds like MLB should avoid Charlotte at all costs.
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Twins and Guardians both go 3-4 this week. Life in the Central.
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Baseball has always had a hard time attracting black athletes. There has been more of a push to build up youth leagues in America over the last decade, but given that black athletes dominate the NBA and a lot of skill positions in the NFL, and those are a lot of the athletes throwing out first pitches, many of them probably never played baseball, even as a child.
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Yanks with quite the collapse today.
Not sure with their lineup there was much hope anyways but pretty content saying they are officially done.
Its not just about catching the Blue Jays in their own division. Mariners are on a tear and have to be caught as well.
One of those two take the WC.
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Baseball has always had a hard time attracting black athletes.
Untrue. In 1981 19% of the MLB players were African Americans and many more were black Latin players and the Negro Leagues thrived before Jackie broke the color barrier.
The last 40 years have seen a consistent reductions in their number, though. City kids in general don’t have the opportunity to play baseball that suburban/country kids do.
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Nashville has long had perhaps the most organized group at Music City Baseball. They are proposing a largely privatelty funded stadium and other mixed use complex in North Nashville, near Tennessee State University.
Speaking of Charlotte, there will be a decision soon whether or not the Cincy professional tennis tourney, moves there or stays in Cincy. Ben Navarro is the billionaire father or Emma Navarro, who won the National singles title at Virgina, and who is a top 50 level player at age 22. He bought the Charleston clay court event 5 years ago, and renovated it. He owns other facilities in South Carolina. He even tried to buy the Carolina Panthers. The Cincy event is a top.10 or so level.event on tour.
https://www.daytondailynews.com/community/charlotte-approves-65m-toward-new-tennis-facility-in-bid-for-western-southern-open/VPIOANJBG5BRLB2W6GHQUTI7AU/#:~:text=If%20the%20public%20funding%20is,play%20in%20Charlotte%20in%202026.&text=The%20Western%20%26%20Southern%20Open%20began,played%20in%20its%20original%20city.
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Watching AL Central baseball this year is probably more torturous than watching the Mark Wahlberg movie the Happening. And also might cause the same epidemic as depicted in that movie.
However...
Twins vs Tigers games have potential to be really fun soon.
Lots of really talented youth on display. Injuries and horrendous veterans all that stand in the way.
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Cubs fans, I watched your first round pick, Matt Shaw, tonight. Two years. He is skilled.
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Brother Shoot:
My dad was part of efforts to bring baseball back to Nashville way back in 1977. The Vols had left Nashville in 1963 and former Vanderbilt head baseball coach Larry Schmittou (sp) organized an effort to re-baseball Nashville. With the country music stars of the day, they were wildly successful and the Nashville Sounds were a good draw for a long time.
I have my doubts about Nashville as an MLB city. First, their stadium at the old Sulphur Dell is inadequate for major league baseball. And I doubt seriously the stadium can be expanded to a level that would even remotely support a major league baseball team. So we're talking a new Stadium, just when Nashville is committing itself to a new stadium for the Titans. That's a couple billion dollars of stadium and at least five years. Unless Sumner, Williamson, Rutherford, Wilson and Cheatham Counties kicked in the way the six-counties around Milwaukee did, it ain't happening.
And I don't see the Tennessee legislature taxing the surrounding counties for baseball. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever.
Second, while Nashville has grown exponentially since I lived there, I question whether the market can support 81 baseball games a year at prices that will make ownership put a competitive team on the field. I know HCA, Nissan and Bridgestone have domestic or world headquarters in Nashville, but is there enough support for the skyboxes, advertising, naming rights and season tickets to carry a team profitability through 81 games? I don't know but I am skeptical.
Third, if an earlier poster is right and they want to build in North Nashville near TSU, their dooming the team to failure. I'm guessing they want to build on the old TSU football stadium site (TSU now plays at Nissan Stadium). The TSU site is way, way far away from the surrounding counties and the transportation infrastructure there is suspect. If there is to be an MLB stadium in Nashville, I'd think the only logical place for it is between the Victory Memorial Bridge (Main Street/James Robertson Parkway) and the Jefferson Street Bridge on the east bank. That's right next to Interstate 24, the Ellington Parkway and would have excellent access to downtown and every suburban county.
If it were me and I was looking for a future MLB market, I'd sure as hell be looking at Charlotte.
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From the Music City Baseball website:
Music City Baseball, LLC (“MCB”) is an organization of Nashville business, sports, music and community leaders. MCB is committed to bringing a Major League Baseball franchise to the City of Nashville as a central piece of a mixed-use, multi-themed family, sports, and entertainment district.
Our focus is to secure Major League Baseball approval of an expansion franchise in Nashville, although relocation and rebranding of an existing franchise would also be considered. Our goal is to complete construction of a new baseball stadium by early 2027 and commence competition in the Spring of 2027.
I believe they are pushing for a retractable-roof ballpark that would be mostly privately funded. That, combined with a big expansion fee, would require some deep pockets. I have no earthly idea if they can pull it off.
As for Charlotte ...
No person or group has expressed the willingness to pony up the couple billion necessary to secure a team and build a ballpark here. I love baseball and would love having a local MLB team, but right now at least, it's a pipe dream.
Dave Tepper, the multibillionaire owner of the Panthers and MLS team, is getting ready to launch a major "give me the money, taxpayers!" campaign for a new stadium. I find it very difficult to believe that public money will be found for a group of baseball-owner billionaires, too.
If some rich people want to pay the entire freight, or if MLB wants to kick in so they can have a team in the nation's 15th largest city ... that's what it would take, based on everything I've read and heard.
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From the Music City Baseball website:
Music City Baseball, LLC (“MCB”) is an organization of Nashville business, sports, music and community leaders. MCB is committed to bringing a Major League Baseball franchise to the City of Nashville as a central piece of a mixed-use, multi-themed family, sports, and entertainment district.
Our focus is to secure Major League Baseball approval of an expansion franchise in Nashville, although relocation and rebranding of an existing franchise would also be considered. Our goal is to complete construction of a new baseball stadium by early 2027 and commence competition in the Spring of 2027.
I believe they are pushing for a retractable-roof ballpark that would be mostly privately funded. That, combined with a big expansion fee, would require some deep pockets. I have no earthly idea if they can pull it off.
I'd be curious too. NFL football efforts started like this in the early 1980s. It was the late Joe M. Rodgers who made that group formidable. Not sure anyone of Mr. Rodgers' stature is on thsi committee.
Also, four years is ambitious. Way too ambitious.
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Portland wants to knock the the all but abandoned mall that Tonya Harding practiced skating at to build a stadium. Would be good use for that property. I think there’s maybe still a GameStop there?!
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Portland wants to knock the the all but abandoned mall that Tonya Harding practiced skating at to build a stadium. Would be good use for that property. I think there’s maybe still a GameStop there?!
At least five years to build a stadium, more if public funds are involved.
The Portland Beavers haven't existed in more than 20 years. Their stadium was retrofitted for soccer in a way that prohibited baseball from ever be played there. I'd be leery of going to Portland with no recent history of minor league baseball.
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It was the late Joe M. Rodgers who made that group formidable. Not sure anyone of Mr. Rodgers' stature is on thsi committee.
lol Joe Rodgers
was opposite me at my career first court hearing . There and then all of them were formidable, tho.
In 1984 I made my career first court appearance in Nashville for a Houston man who was 1) an investor /member of the Colored Young Mens Christian Assn (YMCA Group) and 2) sole objector to selling the YMCA's downtown Nashville land to build the 15-story, 244,957-square-foot Citizens Plaza at 400 Deaderick St.. I am alone at the hastily called injunction hearing, called to force my clients assent. Against HouWarrior, newly minted Texas atty were:
1) YMCA atty State Sen. Avon Williams (cousin of Thurgood Marshall and atty who desegregated the schools there)
2) Formidable Joe Rodgers (builder/developer), was driving the deal and brought Nashville's biggest firm, for show
3) R H Boyd III was there for Citizens Bank (oldest black owned bank in the USA) who would occupy the lobby space in the new building, (so the banks board was there too); and, for good measure
4) The Tenn AG appeared for the state of Tenn, as the other 14 floors were preleased to state of Tenn. for office space.
Three whirlwind hearings in 24 hours, I lost and banner newspaper headlines next announced Citizens Plaza deal to move forward, noting groundbreaking to occur as scheduled. Wha? I hadnt heard of any such thing ( but was impressed how quickly all of the courts had moved here over 24 hours).
Seems Joe Rodgers never told me he already had Pres Reagan flying in for the groundbreaking ceremony/photo op (1984 election cycle) and I was mucking that up. I never stood a chance.
Yes they were formidable
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Brother Shoot:
My dad was part of efforts to bring baseball back to Nashville way back in 1977. The Vols had left Nashville in 1963 and former Vanderbilt head baseball coach Larry Schmittou (sp) organized an effort to re-baseball Nashville. With the country music stars of the day, they were wildly successful and the Nashville Sounds were a good draw for a long time.
I have my doubts about Nashville as an MLB city. First, their stadium at the old Sulphur Dell is inadequate for major league baseball. And I doubt seriously the stadium can be expanded to a level that would even remotely support a major league baseball team. So we're talking a new Stadium, just when Nashville is committing itself to a new stadium for the Titans. That's a couple billion dollars of stadium and at least five years. Unless Sumner, Williamson, Rutherford, Wilson and Cheatham Counties kicked in the way the six-counties around Milwaukee did, it ain't happening.
And I don't see the Tennessee legislature taxing the surrounding counties for baseball. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever.
Second, while Nashville has grown exponentially since I lived there, I question whether the market can support 81 baseball games a year at prices that will make ownership put a competitive team on the field. I know HCA, Nissan and Bridgestone have domestic or world headquarters in Nashville, but is there enough support for the skyboxes, advertising, naming rights and season tickets to carry a team profitability through 81 games? I don't know but I am skeptical.
Third, if an earlier poster is right and they want to build in North Nashville near TSU, their dooming the team to failure. I'm guessing they want to build on the old TSU football stadium site (TSU now plays at Nissan Stadium). The TSU site is way, way far away from the surrounding counties and the transportation infrastructure there is suspect. If there is to be an MLB stadium in Nashville, I'd think the only logical place for it is between the Victory Memorial Bridge (Main Street/James Robertson Parkway) and the Jefferson Street Bridge on the east bank. That's right next to Interstate 24, the Ellington Parkway and would have excellent access to downtown and every suburban county.
If it were me and I was looking for a future MLB market, I'd sure as hell be looking at Charlotte.
I'm the poster that mentioned the chosen site near Tennessee St. It's a preferred location but they are opem to other locations.
This is their group:
https://www.mlbmusiccity.com/leadership-roster/
Wilf, Birch, Ingram, and some of the athletics friendly people on Vandy's board would also be involved:
https://www.vanderbilt.edu/about/university-leadership/board-of-trust/
Generally speaking, Nashville is an Atlanta Braves town that also has some Cardinals and Reds fans.
Of course baseball at other levels is very popular within the region right now:
https://www.google.com/search?q=tennesee+baseball+project&oq=tennesee+baseball+project&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i13i512l2j0i22i30l2j0i390i650l5.9245j0j7&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
https://vucommodores.com/vandy-united-ushers-in-new-era-at-hawkins-field/
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At least five years to build a stadium, more if public funds are involved.
The Portland Beavers haven't existed in more than 20 years. Their stadium was retrofitted for soccer in a way that prohibited baseball from ever be played there. I'd be leery of going to Portland with no recent history of minor league baseball.
There’s a high A team in Hillsboro, a big suburb. Less than 30 mins from downtown.
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The Brewers hold off a furious rally by the first-place Rangers to win in Texas ... the Reds walk off against a good Toronto team ... and the Cubs find a way to lose at home to the rotten Royals.
Just another day in the NL Central.
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Not great getting swept by the Dodgers but excellent road trip otherwise for the Crew.
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Not great getting swept by the Dodgers but excellent road trip otherwise for the Crew.
I was expecting 2-4. 3-3 is a good result. Didn't expect it to come in the form of two sweeps.
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I was expecting 2-4. 3-3 is a good result. Didn't expect it to come in the form of two sweeps.
6-3. You forgot the sweep of the Sox!
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Crain’s reporting publicly what I’ve been hearing for a while now, Sox are looking to move and probably be sold.
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Crain’s reporting publicly what I’ve been hearing for a while now, Sox are looking to move and probably be sold.
Stay in metro but move from Comiskey?
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Stay in metro but move from Comiskey?
Article mentions Nashville as a possibility (I think that’s just Reinsdorf being Reinsdorf). Also mentions other spots in the city (doubtful), and suburbs (very likely).
The Sox lease on taxpayer money ends in October 2029, so the timeline for a new stadium I guess is finally here. I say this half jokingly, but the Sox & Brewers should co-build a stadium in Kenosha.
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Article mentions Nashville as a possibility (I think that’s just Reinsdorf being Reinsdorf). Also mentions other spots in the city (doubtful), and suburbs (very likely).
The Sox lease on taxpayer money ends in October 2029, so the timeline for a new stadium I guess is finally here. I say this half jokingly, but the Sox & Brewers should co-build a stadium in Kenosha.
Arlington Heights with the Bears?
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AL Wildcard race getting fun.
Doubt the Astros miss the playoffs but they have to unexpected sweat it out a bit. Got off to another bad start tonight bad have scored 4 straight vs the Sox
Red Sox have such a tough schedule not sure they will truly threaten to snag a spot. Would be pretty wild if Blue Jays dont get in, big disappointment per expecations if so.
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Arlington Heights with the Bears?
If I were able to bet on where the Sox are playing in 2030, I’d bet on Rosemont.
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If I were able to bet on where the Sox are playing in 2030, I’d bet on Rosemont.
That’s got the tackiness I bet that calls out to Jerry. Make sure it’s in the flight paths!
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That’s got the tackiness I bet that calls out to Jerry. Make sure it’s in the flight paths!
I just went to a Milwaukee Milkmen game in Franklin, which is in the flight paths for MKE. It was really noticeable when a plane came in. I can't imagine MLB being okay with the tempo of flights that go into ORD.
Bottom of the 9th, Game Seven of a World Series. Pitch clock ticking to zero, a 777 just SCREAMING overhead during the windup. It's gonna rule.
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That’s got the tackiness I bet that calls out to Jerry. Make sure it’s in the flight paths!
Tackiness? Don't throw Rosemont under the bus just because the B10 moved there.
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I just went to a Milwaukee Milkmen game in Franklin, which is in the flight paths for MKE. It was really noticeable when a plane came in. I can't imagine MLB being okay with the tempo of flights that go into ORD.
Bottom of the 9th, Game Seven of a World Series. Pitch clock ticking to zero, a 777 just SCREAMING overhead during the windup. It's gonna rule.
Is it any different than the Mets stadium by La Guardia?
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Tackiness? Don't throw Rosemont under the bus just because the B10 moved there.
I spent enough drunk nights at Toby Keith’s (RIP) with my friends who were too scared of the city to know the quality of its offerings.
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Is it any different than the Mets stadium by La Guardia?
Honestly not sure. I haven't been to a game at whatever they're calling Shea Stadium these days. Maybe Rosemont wouldn't be that bad. I guess I'm not intimately familiar with where they'd stick the stadium relative to the interchange/airport area that I'm more familiar with. If it's as close to the approach path as the stadium is in Franklin to MKE, then my gut is that people wouldn't be thrilled, especially given how absurd the tempo of landings and takeoffs is at ORD.
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I spent enough drunk nights at Toby Keith’s (RIP) with my friends who were too scared of the city to know the quality of its offerings.
Your friends are elderly, cognitively impaired dentists?
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Your friends are elderly, cognitively impaired dentists?
Yall must be kin, aina?
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My prediction is that Wander Franco will never play in another MLB game.
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Please let the door hit you (hard) on the way out ...
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1694118576351785450/photo/1
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Please let the door hit you (hard) on the way out ...
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1694118576351785450/photo/1
If they promote Getz, we riot.
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If they promote Getz, we riot.
Yeah, I don't hate Getz, but please God, not another company man. Clean house. Everyone goes.
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As long as Reinsdorf is calling the shots I’ll remain realistic - which unfortunately translates to extremely pessimistic.
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The Falvey/Baldelli combo give the Brewers a key win in their title quest.
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As long as Reinsdorf is calling the shots I’ll remain realistic - which unfortunately translates to extremely pessimistic.
I think the moves today are the first steps in selling the team. I expect it may take up to 2 more years, but I think the process has finally started.
And at $2B - $2.5B there should be more than one hopeful buyer.
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I think the moves today are the first steps in selling the team. I expect it may take up to 2 more years, but I think the process has finally started.
And at $2B - $2.5B there should be more than one hopeful buyer.
Why clean house and replace them before selling? Normally someone else is going to want to bring in their own people. Unless you think the replacements can dramatically increase value in that time.
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FWIW, I’ve heard from someone I trust that the Sox are very much on the selling block right now.
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After reading and listening to the "experts" it 100% sounds like the Sox moving narrative is a negotiating tactic for a new stadium. MLB wants two teams in Chicago because a part of the Chicago market is better than the whole Nashville market. The timing makes sense with the stadium lease coming up in 6 years.
As a Sox and Bulls fan, I'm ready for new ownership.
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I think the moves today are the first steps in selling the team. I expect it may take up to 2 more years, but I think the process has finally started.
And at $2B - $2.5B there should be more than one hopeful buyer.
You have to wonder if Joe Mansueto is interested. He's dipped his toes in with sports ownership with the Fire and a Swiss team and he's certainly got the funds for it. He's also a South Side guy, albeit Northwest Indiana South Side ;D
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Dundler Miflin redux?
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I just went to a Milwaukee Milkmen game in Franklin, which is in the flight paths for MKE. It was really noticeable when a plane came in. I can't imagine MLB being okay with the tempo of flights that go into ORD.
Bottom of the 9th, Game Seven of a World Series. Pitch clock ticking to zero, a 777 just SCREAMING overhead during the windup. It's gonna rule.
Shea Stadium was just underneath the final for LGA. In the days before hush kits and noise requirements, your could barely hear the announcers call the game. Every two minutes or so, a 727 flew overhead, rocking the ground and leaving a black smoke trail in the sky.
Your World Series scenario happened in 1969, 1973 and 1986. Except it was narrow body jets rather than 777s, which aren't allowed into LaGuardia anyway!
As for the White Sox, they're going to the same place the Brewers are going -- no where! They'll argue and even fight publicly over stadium improvements but when it is done, they'll be at 35th and the Dan Ryan, just where they are now. If they leave for the suburbs, their risk is alienating their existing market for an unknown new market. Outside the city, they're going to have to convert an awful lot of Cub fans at the expense of their traditional base. The Chicago Southland won't take kindly to the Sox moving, unless it is to a South Suburb.
Maybe that's possible but....
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Shea Stadium was just underneath the final for LGA. In the days before hush kits and noise requirements, your could barely hear the announcers call the game. Every two minutes or so, a 727 flew overhead, rocking the ground and leaving a black smoke trail in the sky.
Your World Series scenario happened in 1969, 1973 and 1986. Except it was narrow body jets rather than 777s, which aren't allowed into LaGuardia anyway!
As for the White Sox, they're going to the same place the Brewers are going -- no where! They'll argue and even fight publicly over stadium improvements but when it is done, they'll be at 35th and the Dan Ryan, just where they are now. If they leave for the suburbs, their risk is alienating their existing market for an unknown new market. Outside the city, they're going to have to convert an awful lot of Cub fans at the expense of their traditional base. The Chicago Southland won't take kindly to the Sox moving, unless it is to a South Suburb.
Maybe that's possible but....
55-72.
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Shea Stadium was just underneath the final for LGA. In the days before hush kits and noise requirements, your could barely hear the announcers call the game. Every two minutes or so, a 727 flew overhead, rocking the ground and leaving a black smoke trail in the sky.
Your World Series scenario happened in 1969, 1973 and 1986. Except it was narrow body jets rather than 777s, which aren't allowed into LaGuardia anyway!
As for the White Sox, they're going to the same place the Brewers are going -- no where! They'll argue and even fight publicly over stadium improvements but when it is done, they'll be at 35th and the Dan Ryan, just where they are now. If they leave for the suburbs, their risk is alienating their existing market for an unknown new market. Outside the city, they're going to have to convert an awful lot of Cub fans at the expense of their traditional base. The Chicago Southland won't take kindly to the Sox moving, unless it is to a South Suburb.
Maybe that's possible but....
Pretty sure, like the Bears, the majority of Sox fans would prefer a stadium to be somewhere in the suburbs and not where it is now.
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Pretty sure, like the Bears, the majority of Sox fans would prefer a stadium to be somewhere in the suburbs and not where it is now.
Yup. And like the Bears, most of the fans and season ticket holders aren't coming from the city, or in the Sox' case, the South Side.
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Yup. And like the Bears, most of the fans and season ticket holders aren't coming from the city, or in the Sox' case, the South Side.
Most sox fans (myself, my family, and everyone else i know From Bridgeport down to Beverly) would continue to want it located on the south side of the city, or at the very least, a SW burb.
Not a single person I know would want it anywhere north of Cermak
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Genuine question because I don't know, how much is the north side v. south side still really a thing? It just seems to me that Chicagoland is a majority of Cubs fans, with a minority of Sox fans, most places I go outside of immediately near their respective ballparks.
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Shea Stadium was just underneath the final for LGA. In the days before hush kits and noise requirements, your could barely hear the announcers call the game. Every two minutes or so, a 727 flew overhead, rocking the ground and leaving a black smoke trail in the sky.
Your World Series scenario happened in 1969, 1973 and 1986. Except it was narrow body jets rather than 777s, which aren't allowed into LaGuardia anyway!
As for the White Sox, they're going to the same place the Brewers are going -- no where! They'll argue and even fight publicly over stadium improvements but when it is done, they'll be at 35th and the Dan Ryan, just where they are now. If they leave for the suburbs, their risk is alienating their existing market for an unknown new market. Outside the city, they're going to have to convert an awful lot of Cub fans at the expense of their traditional base. The Chicago Southland won't take kindly to the Sox moving, unless it is to a South Suburb.
Maybe that's possible but....
...ah, by any measure Shea was better than the Polo Grounds and from what I can recall hardly any planes flew over Shea during night games, not saying there were none but few. For the record the Mets will always be second fiddle to the Yankees, but then again the Yankee's history is second to none in all of baseball. I still route for the Mets when they are not playing the Yanks.
Both teams need new management or new owners as this season has so obviously revealed.
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I thought this was amusing:
https://nypost.com/2023/08/23/little-league-world-series-player-tries-sitting-down-in-funny-at-bat/
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I thought this was amusing:
https://nypost.com/2023/08/23/little-league-world-series-player-tries-sitting-down-in-funny-at-bat/
Those darn 13 year olds.
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Genuine question because I don't know, how much is the north side v. south side still really a thing? It just seems to me that Chicagoland is a majority of Cubs fans, with a minority of Sox fans, most places I go outside of immediately near their respective ballparks.
No question it is mostly a Cubs town. When I was growing up there in the 70's and 80's it was 50/50 or slight lean to the Sox. I remember in the early 80's going to a Cubs day game and my mom bought us about 20th row seats behind the dugout from the ticket window (not scalpers) about 15 min. before the first pitch. There were maybe 8k total there.
The Cubs took over for a number of reasons: WGN v Sportsvision; ballpark, neighborhood, etc.
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Those darn 13 year olds.
13 or 14 or 15....... it is the LLWS ;)
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No question it is mostly a Cubs town. When I was growing up there in the 70's and 80's it was 50/50 or slight lean to the Sox. I remember in the early 80's going to a Cubs day game and my mom bought us about 20th row seats behind the dugout from the ticket window (not scalpers) about 15 min. before the first pitch. There were maybe 8k total there.
The Cubs took over for a number of reasons: WGN v Sportsvision; ballpark, neighborhood, etc.
Right, but I mean the actual geographies of the fanbases.
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No question it is mostly a Cubs town. When I was growing up there in the 70's and 80's it was 50/50 or slight lean to the Sox. I remember in the early 80's going to a Cubs day game and my mom bought us about 20th row seats behind the dugout from the ticket window (not scalpers) about 15 min. before the first pitch. There were maybe 8k total there.
The Cubs took over for a number of reasons: WGN v Sportsvision; ballpark, neighborhood, etc.
I would say where you are from - or where your family is from - is still a major contributor to which team you root for. Not many Cub fans live on the south side as compared to Sox fans and that still holds true today. And while Cub fans do exist around here, take a drive down Western Ave and count the number of flags you see between each squad.
But yes, more Cub fans for sure
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Genuine question because I don't know, how much is the north side v. south side still really a thing? It just seems to me that Chicagoland is a majority of Cubs fans, with a minority of Sox fans, most places I go outside of immediately near their respective ballparks.
There’s a large minority of Sox fans that exist definitely in the west burbs. My son’s travel team is split 6/6 Cubs fans vs Sox fans. Outside of that, I have Sox fan friends all over the burbs. People that live on the southside don’t want to hear it, but most fans of the team live in the western burbs, and the front office definitely knows this. I don’t think it would happen, but if they moved to some place like Orland Park, it’d be a terrible decision. I really believe Rosemont is going to make them an offer they can’t refuse (and yes, that phrasing in regards to Rosemont was intentional).
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Right, but I mean the actual geographies of the fanbases.
In the city, there's to be a real north/south split. In the suburbs, it's pretty mixed. Definitely more Cubs fans, but most of my Sox fan friends live north of I290.
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As long as Reinsdorf is calling the shots I’ll remain realistic - which unfortunately translates to extremely pessimistic.
Rumor now is the Sox are promoting the director of one of the worst farm systems in baseball to the GM job. And David Kaplan is reporting that Rick Hahn tried to quit his job multiple times after Reinsdorf hired LaRussa. Supposedly Jerry wouldn’t give him his release to work for any other organization. The dysfunction on the Southside is staggering.
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There’s a large minority of Sox fans that exist definitely in the west burbs. My son’s travel team is split 6/6 Cubs fans vs Sox fans. Outside of that, I have Sox fan friends all over the burbs. People that live on the southside don’t want to hear it, but most fans of the team live in the western burbs, and the front office definitely knows this. I don’t think it would happen, but if they moved to some place like Orland Park, it’d be a terrible decision. I really believe Rosemont is going to make them an offer they can’t refuse (and yes, that phrasing in regards to Rosemont was intentional).
I wouldn't necessarily put anything past Bradley, but Rosemont is so much more built up compared to 20-30 years ago when it had a bunch of land set aside for a casino. I just don't know where they'd put it now. Would they be willing to tear down the Allstate? Could they even fit a stadium there? Gut the entertainment district? Tear down the mall?
The village just bought the last undeveloped piece of property in town. It's all of 19 acres.
Agaiin, not much they do surprises me, I just don't know where a baseball stadium would go without some significant tear down.
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I wouldn't necessarily put anything past Bradley, but Rosemont is so much more built up compared to 20-30 years ago when it had a bunch of land set aside for a casino. I just don't know where they'd put it now. Would they be willing to tear down the Allstate? Could they even fit a stadium there? Gut the entertainment district? Tear down the mall?
The village just bought the last undeveloped piece of property in town. It's all of 19 acres.
Agaiin, not much they do surprises me, I just don't know where a baseball stadium would go without some significant tear down.
You’re definitely right, open land is not readily available like it was 20 years ago in Rosemont. I just think they find a way to make it happen somehow. I did think about AllState too, and if they would tear it down for a ballpark, but even that might not be enough land. If I remember correctly, I believe Rosemont built Impact Field (where the Dogs play) with all $60ish million provided by the village. No idea if they could retrofit that into an MLB stadium.
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I think there is gonna end up some real buyer beware on Ohtani.
Guy is insane and is gonna get paid beyond anything before as he should. But he has now left like 5 starts this year with random injuries. To this point none have been major(will see what comes of this soreness today), but that is wild.
There is a decent chance imo that within like 3 years he could end up strictly a hitter. If he dont pick up a position hes gonna have to bat like this year every year to make that money close to worth it.
Hope hes able to be a pitcher a long time though. Gotta find a good way to preserve the arm while still using it.
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Not just a random injury. Torn UCL.
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Shoulda peddled his ass, hey?
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Brutal for all involved. I read he has yet to choose surgery, could he still hit if he forgoes Tommy John? I can’t imagine, but he is built differently it seems.
Edit: I didn’t realize he had TJ surgery in 2018 for a torn UCL. Really a bummer for him.
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Shoulda peddled his ass, hey?
Yep. Really poor decision by the Angels.
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You’re definitely right, open land is not readily available like it was 20 years ago in Rosemont. I just think they find a way to make it happen somehow. I did think about AllState too, and if they would tear it down for a ballpark, but even that might not be enough land. If I remember correctly, I believe Rosemont built Impact Field (where the Dogs play) with all $60ish million provided by the village. No idea if they could retrofit that into an MLB stadium.
That's a good question about Impact Field. It's wedged up right against the Tri-State,so it would be a tight fit at best. I imagine a ballpark could be doable, but not sure where they'd fit surrounding parking, road expansion, amenities, etc. Plus, no public transportation (the Rosemont Blue Line station is at least two miles away).
Why not Arlington Park? Plenty of space for a baseball and football stadium there, and two-stadium campuses have worked in plenty of other places (Philly, Seattle, Dallas, KC, etc.).
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That's a good question about Impact Field. It's wedged up right against the Tri-State,so it would be a tight fit at best. I imagine a ballpark could be doable, but not sure where they'd fit surrounding parking, road expansion, amenities, etc. Plus, no public transportation (the Rosemont Blue Line station is at least two miles away).
Why not Arlington Park? Plenty of space for a baseball and football stadium there, and two-stadium campuses have worked in plenty of other places (Philly, Seattle, Dallas, KC, etc.).
Wouldn't the Sox be a tenant of the Bears in that scenario? I would think that part of what they want is the property development perks that come with a new stadium.
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You’re definitely right, open land is not readily available like it was 20 years ago in Rosemont. I just think they find a way to make it happen somehow. I did think about AllState too, and if they would tear it down for a ballpark, but even that might not be enough land. If I remember correctly, I believe Rosemont built Impact Field (where the Dogs play) with all $60ish million provided by the village. No idea if they could retrofit that into an MLB stadium.
I don't think there's enough space in Rosemob for it.
Even at the AllState site, they would need to buy out and remove the apartment buildings and light industry that sits between AllState and Touhy. Even if that was arraigned, still not sure there would be enough space for a MLB stadium and associated entertainment spaces.
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Wouldn't the Sox be a tenant of the Bears in that scenario? I would think that part of what they want is the property development perks that come with a new stadium.
They could be a tenant, or they could buy land, or they could enter into some kind of joint venture similar to what Reinsdorf did with the Blackhawks at the United Center. Or they could find a site more in line with their goals. Just throwing it out there as a credible option.
I don't see a ballpark - especially in the Midwest - serving as the same kind of development magnet as a domed football stadium, though. A handful of bars and restaurants, sure. But not much else.
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They could be a tenant, or they could buy land, or they could enter into some kind of joint venture similar to what Reinsdorf did with the Blackhawks at the United Center. Or they could find a site more in line with their goals. Just throwing it out there as a credible option.
I don't see a ballpark - especially in the Midwest - serving as the same kind of development magnet as a domed football stadium, though. A handful of bars and restaurants, sure. But not much else.
Personally, I think baseball is becoming a questionable investment for major cities. New parks are expensive and the popularity of baseball is certainly on the decline.
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Personally, I think baseball is becoming a questionable investment for major cities. New parks are expensive and the popularity of baseball is certainly on the decline.
You may be right, though both attendance and TV ratings (local and national) have been up so far this year. Likely just a slight correction from the lows of 2021-22.
I'm not sure there's ever been a time when a baseball stadium was a good investment of public money. But even with that and some dip in popularity, it's a safe bet that a good team in an attractive ballpark is going to attract 2+ million people every year for the foreseeable future ... and at least as long as the life of any stadium built today.
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I think you guys are right about Rosemont, probably just not enough space to make it work. I think ten years ago they'd have jumped all over it, but the more I thought about it, I think you guys are making better arguments against it than I am for it.
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I think you guys are right about Rosemont, probably just not enough space to make it work. I think ten years ago they'd have jumped all over it, but the more I thought about it, I think you guys are making better arguments against it than I am for it.
I thought Jerry bought land in Addison last time?
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Naperville area from a population standpoint is intriguing but I’m not sure I see the residents wanting that outside traffic
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Has anybody been playing Immaculate Grid? Really fun stuff. I play the baseball one, but they also have football and basketball.
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Has anybody been playing Immaculate Grid? Really fun stuff. I play the baseball one, but they also have football and basketball.
Love it. Also hockey and rhe other football.
A similar site call Crossover Grid also has golf.
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Has anybody been playing Immaculate Grid? Really fun stuff. I play the baseball one, but they also have football and basketball.
Yup, it’s a lot of fun. I’m probably best at the basketball. Having MU guys that have played on multiple teams helps.
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2 people shot inside Sox Park during the game tonight.
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2 people shot inside Sox Park during the game tonight.
It was just 2 Sox players attempting suicide.
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It was just 2 Sox players attempting suicide.
Wow. Absolute trash.
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Sox/CPD have a lot of questions to answer. How the hell did they continue playing this game?
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It was just 2 Sox players attempting suicide.
Pretty sh*tyy
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Brew Crew, so hot right now. Brew Crew.
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Rename them Hansel.
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Per Nightengale, Sox want a retractable roof ballpark, in either Arlington, current Soldier Field (if Bears leave), or near United Center.
There’s zero chance taxpayers are going to fund both Bears and Sox stadiums.
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Per Nightengale, Sox want a retractable roof ballpark, in either Arlington, current Soldier Field (if Bears leave), or near United Center.
There’s zero chance taxpayers are going to fund both Bears and Sox stadiums.
With the Arlington Park option - you're technically not asking the state/taxpayers to fund both stadiums. The Bears already have pledged not to seek public money for the stadium project itself, just the infrastructure it'll need and that infrastructure would serve both facilities. Yeah, that's totally splitting hairs, but it makes it a more palatable option than two separate projects.
And that funding would come primarily through a TIF or similar mechanism. If you're a taxpayer upset about TIFs, then you should be down at village hall protesting already, because there's a good bit you've already got several of them in your town.
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With the Arlington Park option - you're technically not asking the state/taxpayers to fund both stadiums. The Bears already have pledged not to seek public money for the stadium project itself, just the infrastructure it'll need and that infrastructure would serve both facilities. Yeah, that's totally splitting hairs, but it makes it a more palatable option than two separate projects.
And that funding would come primarily through a TIF or similar mechanism. If you're a taxpayer upset about TIFs, then you should be down at village hall protesting already, because there's a good bit you've already got several of them in your town.
I should have worded it differently. There’s no way that separate projects are going to be fully funded by taxpayers. I don’t disagree with you on AH, that option makes the most sense for all parties involved.
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Bob Uecker's deal with the Brewers is that he does the radio play-by-play for all 81 home games for the Brewers and no road games. If I'm home I always have the games on TV, but in the car or at work the radio is on. I believe it was the Tuesday or Wednesday Twins game when Levering said "Bob isn't here but he'll be back this weekend."
I'm listening Sunday and he's not behind the mic. I haven't heard anything announced. He's 89 and over the years has had a host of serious medical problems. Has anyone heard anything or is this just an old man taking a few days off. I've got kind of an anxious feeling about this one.
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Bob Uecker's deal with the Brewers is that he does the radio play-by-play for all 81 home games for the Brewers and no road games. If I'm home I always have the games on TV, but in the car or at work the radio is on. I believe it was the Tuesday or Wednesday Twins game when Levering said "Bob isn't here but he'll be back this weekend."
I'm listening Sunday and he's not behind the mic. I haven't heard anything announced. He's 89 and over the years has had a host of serious medical problems. Has anyone heard anything or is this just an old man taking a few days off. I've got kind of an anxious feeling about this one.
He did the Twins game on Tuesday and I thought he sounded a bit weak or under the weather...just wrote it off as being rusty since the Brewers had been on the road for almost two weeks...but, yes, he has not been on the air since...so concerning.
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I know he wasn't there on Wed, too ungodly hot for anyone, even tho we gutted it out 8-) ! ! !
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I know he wasn't there on Wed, too ungodly hot for anyone, even tho we gutted it out 8-) ! ! !
Anyone who was there Wednesday afternoon ought to get 2 free tickets for a game in September ( or next spring). Double if you sat on the 3rd base side in the sun.
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He did the Twins game on Tuesday and I thought he sounded a bit weak or under the weather...just wrote it off as being rusty since the Brewers had been on the road for almost two weeks...but, yes, he has not been on the air since...so concerning.
https://wisportsheroics.com/milwaukee-brewers-bob-uecker-news-notes-rumors/
Taking a few days off to recharge.
He really wanders these days. Sometimes I wonder if he’s even watching the game.
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Damn.....how good realistically is the Crew?
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Bob Uecker's deal with the Brewers is that he does the radio play-by-play for all 81 home games for the Brewers and no road games. If I'm home I always have the games on TV, but in the car or at work the radio is on. I believe it was the Tuesday or Wednesday Twins game when Levering said "Bob isn't here but he'll be back this weekend."
I'm listening Sunday and he's not behind the mic. I haven't heard anything announced. He's 89 and over the years has had a host of serious medical problems. Has anyone heard anything or is this just an old man taking a few days off. I've got kind of an anxious feeling about this one.
I love Uek and I hope he is well, but Brian Anderson is way better at this point.
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With the Arlington Park option - you're technically not asking the state/taxpayers to fund both stadiums. The Bears already have pledged not to seek public money for the stadium project itself, just the infrastructure it'll need and that infrastructure would serve both facilities. Yeah, that's totally splitting hairs, but it makes it a more palatable option than two separate projects.
And that funding would come primarily through a TIF or similar mechanism. If you're a taxpayer upset about TIFs, then you should be down at village hall protesting already, because there's a good bit you've already got several of them in your town.
so what the hey, might as well add another TIF to the stack...if one is good, ya'll should be ok with a bakers dozen or more, eyn'a? TIF away
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I love Uek and I hope he is well, but Brian Anderson is way better at this point.
He’s been less effective as a game caller for several years now. He still brings a quality all his own to the booth, but he’s only top tier on the mic for his zany stories and pure nostalgia now.
Still love him, always will. Doesn’t mean reality doesn’t eventually set in for us all one day.
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Damn.....how good realistically is the Crew?
Not as good as 8 in a row looks. But they’re good, have good chemistry, and have the pitching and manager that means I can’t imagine anyone wants em in October especially in a short series.
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He’s been less effective as a game caller for several years now. He still brings a quality all his own to the booth, but he’s only top tier on the mic for his zany stories and pure nostalgia now.
Still love him, always will. Doesn’t mean reality doesn’t eventually set in for us all one day.
So vs Atlanta or LA they would have to essentially play lights out?
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In a 7 gamer? Those are two tough teams.
Doable, but obviously and deservedly underdogs.
5 gamers favor chaos, so a little better odds but still dogs tbh.
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In a 7 gamer? Those are two tough teams.
Doable, but obviously and deservedly underdogs.
5 gamers favor chaos, so a little better odds but still dogs tbh.
Okay ty. I don't really follow MLB. But I can't stand LA or Atlanta..
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I love Uek and I hope he is well, but Brian Anderson is way better at this point.
Don't think you can compare the two. Uek is Uek. Classic radio guy. BA is a good TV pxp guy, who's time in Milwaukee is short, as he's about to go national. Levering has moved into the tv role seamlessly. Josh Mauer needs work.
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So vs Atlanta or LA they would have to essentially play lights out?
Let's put it this way. In the last month the Brewers scored a grand total of 3 runs in losing a 3 game series to the Dodgers, 0-3. And they gave up a grand total of 29 runs in losing a 3 game series to the Braves, 0-3.
They'd have to play lights out in either series, yes.
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With the Arlington Park option - you're technically not asking the state/taxpayers to fund both stadiums. The Bears already have pledged not to seek public money for the stadium project itself, just the infrastructure it'll need and that infrastructure would serve both facilities. Yeah, that's totally splitting hairs, but it makes it a more palatable option than two separate projects.
And that funding would come primarily through a TIF or similar mechanism. If you're a taxpayer upset about TIFs, then you should be down at village hall protesting already, because there's a good bit you've already got several of them in your town.
With a Sports Book/Casino, it will be good for the residents especially if that property parcel is mixed use. This is one case where a TIF makes sense for taxpayers.
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I love Uek and I hope he is well, but Brian Anderson is way better at this point.
Not even close on actual play-by-play.
But Uek is still more entertaining than BA. Not by as much as a few years ago, though.
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I’m old enough to remember people saying the problem was Craig Counsell and that the Brewers need Mark A to move on.
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Let's put it this way. In the last month the Brewers scored a grand total of 3 runs in losing a 3 game series to the Dodgers, 0-3. And they gave up a grand total of 29 runs in losing a 3 game series to the Braves, 0-3.
They'd have to play lights out in either series, yes.
Ouch. Oh....well.
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The one glimmer of hope from their recent series against LA and ATL is they only got one start out of their top three... and lost that game 1-0.
Houser
Tehran
Rea
Houser
Miley
Burnes
Still a longshot, but align the rotation the right way and see what happens.
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Brewers are smokin hot.
If that offense shows a pulse in the games that matter they could clip LA who as good as they are dont have crazy good pitching for a 2 seed.
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I have so many questions.
@peggykusinski
As I reported on @ESPN1000
just now… the shooting at Guaranteed Rate Field during a #WhiteSox game was indeed an accidental discharge by one of the women “grazed” by the bullet. She reportedly snuck the gun in past metal detectors hiding it in the folds of her belly fat.
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Belly fat, aka FUPA, aina?
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I have so many questions.
@peggykusinski
As I reported on @ESPN1000
just now… the shooting at Guaranteed Rate Field during a #WhiteSox game was indeed an accidental discharge by one of the women “grazed” by the bullet. She reportedly snuck the gun in past metal detectors hiding it in the folds of her belly fat.
Glad your old lady is okay, kin.
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Glad your old lady is okay, kin.
She's better than OK. I don't even need pharmaceutical help.
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Angels dear lord. What a dumpster fire
Some really good options for playoff teams to just add for basically free.
Priority goes to weaker records. Twins better at least put in for Grichuk and Moore.
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Angels dear lord. What a dumpster fire
Some really good options for playoff teams to just add for basically free.
Priority goes to weaker records. Twins better at least put in for Grichuk and Moore.
They gave up two of their top 10 prospects, including a top 100 overall, for a combined 43 innings of Lucas Giolito and Reynaldo Lopez. Ouch.
I don't understand why they wouldn't hang onto Giolito, give him a QO and then get some draft pick compensation when presumably he signs a multiyear deal elsewhere. Do they think Giolito is going to take a one-year deal?
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I had to check multiple times to make sure that Passan tweet was real about the Angels.
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They gave up two of their top 10 prospects, including a top 100 overall, for a combined 43 innings of Lucas Giolito and Reynaldo Lopez. Ouch.
I don't understand why they wouldn't hang onto Giolito, give him a QO and then get some draft pick compensation when presumably he signs a multiyear deal elsewhere. Do they think Giolito is going to take a one-year deal?
Yeah thats insane about Giolito. Not sure why they wouldnt go for QO as well. All this is is a month salary dump cant be worth dropping him.
Moore and Lopez are gonna get claimed so fast. Id love the Twins to get either of them but there are about 4 NL teams still alive that I think will take both. Grichuk I think good chance he passes through the bottom wave. Id like him too.
Just wild that its basically Xmas in August for virtually free for all fringe contenders
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I’ve seen some teams go all in on a questionable run, put up a fighting chance, only to fall short. But I don’t think I’ve seen a team just fall apart completely almost immediately after making that decision.
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Someone will claim Clevinger.
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ahhh just read that Gio cant get a QO since he was a deadline trade.
I never keep up with those types of rules. Makes it clear why they dumped him then.
Bader and Clevinger both forsure get picked up quick. Bader plays CF and destroys lefties. Just dont ever play him vs a righty.
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The Angels real motivation is that if all players get claimed, they could sneak under the luxury tax threshold and reset their repeater penalties.
I think baseball is gonna have to tweak the way waivers works at the end of the year. Maybe move the deadline for players to be playoff eligible closer the deadline? Every one of these guys is a useful piece for a playoff team.
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ahhh just read that Gio cant get a QO since he was a deadline trade.
Didn't know that.
Thanks
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I have so many questions.
@peggykusinski
As I reported on @ESPN1000
just now… the shooting at Guaranteed Rate Field during a #WhiteSox game was indeed an accidental discharge by one of the women “grazed” by the bullet. She reportedly snuck the gun in past metal detectors hiding it in the folds of her belly fat.
https://twitter.com/BunkiePerkins/status/1696667124050137463?s=20
@BunkiePerkins
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Congealed Carry
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Belly fat, aka FUPA, aina?
How the f*#k can you get "grazed" when you're sporting what would have to amount to a full layer of body armor.
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I'm honestly trying to figure out whos worse... Ross or Counsel? God that was a badly managed game of baseball.
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Counsell is maybe the best manager in the MLB.
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I'm honestly trying to figure out whos worse... Ross or Counsel? God that was a badly managed game of baseball.
Care to expand on that?
As a Cubs fan I have no problem saying Counsell is one of the best in the game and I hope he's managing elsewhere this season.
Ross has improved but still has work to do. Didn't love the bunt in the 8thbut it worked out.
Didn't feel like there were many terrible decisions in today's game but lack of execution by players on both sides.
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Counsell is maybe the best manager in the MLB.
Hes undoubtedly top 5. And I think someone would have a very hard argument to say he isnt top 3.
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Hes undoubtedly top 5. And I think someone would have a very hard argument to say he isnt top 3.
Yeah I was probably overrating him a bit saying the best. Cash, Francona, Bouchy, and Snitker are probably in the top 5 with Counsell.
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I'm honestly trying to figure out whos worse... Ross or Counsel? God that was a badly managed game of baseball.
I’d like to hear the reasoning behind this statement.
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Didn’t win the series but not getting swept was big.
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Yeah I was probably overrating him a bit saying the best. Cash, Francona, Bouchy, and Snitker are probably in the top 5 with Counsell.
I didnt hate your statement at all. My only guarantee would be top 5 but hes def in consideration for top 3 if not 1.
If we are talking strictly right now and nothing to do with track record I actually put him ahead of Francona forsure. Terry is aging out of the game a little bit(still not bad) and I know Guardians fans are really annoyed with him, not that they are most objective.
Another manager I think can start to be considered is Hyde with Baltimore. The last two years and how quickly it all came together is quite the feat.
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Sigh.
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Sigh.
They should just pack up for Nashville now.
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Sigh.
No surprise though. This is a very Reinsdorf-y move.
Find incompetence and then reward it. And now they are stuck with Getz until Reinsdorf dies or sells.
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Plenty of room on the North Side bandwagon, Sox fans.
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The White Sox and Bulls simultaneously have the worst front offices in their respective leagues. No other owner can claim that title; well done Jerry.
I have 100x more faith in Williams leading the Sox than Getz, and Williams was no longer a MLB caliber GM. >:(
** I see the White Sox fan board already has a 4 page "Fire Getz" thread going. ;D
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The White Sox and Bulls simultaneously have the worst front offices in their respective leagues. No other owner can claim that title; well done Jerry.
I have 100x more faith in Williams leading the Sox than Getz, and Williams was no longer a MLB caliber GM. >:(
** I see the White Sox fan board already has a 4 page "Fire Getz" thread going. ;D
The Omar Vizquel situation is all the reason you need to fire him
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Jim Bowden loves the Getz hire, called it “perfect”. WTF?
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Jim Bowden loves the Getz hire, called it “perfect”. WTF?
Sounds like he's fishing for a consultant role.
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AL West getting wild
These teams are basically begging the Blue Jays to come jack one of the spots and the Jays just keep hovering not fully taking it.
Rangers bullpen is incredibly bad. 0 chance at winning even the AL much less the WS with a pen like that.
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Wake me up when Craigtember ends.
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Brewers no hitting the Yankees through 9 1/3 so far. Yankees have had two base runners all day.
Sure hope this isn’t wasted.
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Cincinnati picked a bad time to have COVID go through their clubhouse.
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Would’ve gladly taken an 11-0 win tonight and get a 1-0 wi yesterday with a 10 inning no hitter.
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Cincinnati picked a bad time to have COVID go through their clubhouse.
Gods way of punishing the organization for being so cheap. Nice return by Hunter though.
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Stearns to the Mets. Glad for him. Did great work in Milwaukee and left the place better than he found it.
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Stearns to the Mets. Glad for him. Did great work in Milwaukee and left the place better than he found it.
Will Counsell follow?
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Stearns to the Mets. Glad for him. Did great work in Milwaukee and left the place better than he found it.
Will Cohen let him develop players or just expect him to spend a lot for a quick fix?
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Will Counsell follow?
I’ve seen that concern, but don’t think it will happen. No inside info, but if not managing the Brewers, I imagine him being in the front office and spending more time with family.
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Will Counsell follow?
I’d be surprised. I’m not sure what to think of Counsell’s future.
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Will Cohen let him develop players or just expect him to spend a lot for a quick fix?
It's been discussed at nauseum on New York City sports radio. Uncle Stevie has publicly stated several times the best way to build up the organization is develop a strong farm system. The Mets won't trade their top prospects and the Scherzer and Verlander trades are examples.
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I think Stearns wouldn't have taken the gig unless they saw eye to eye on the process for building a team.
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I think Stearns wouldn't have taken the gig unless they saw eye to eye on the process for building a team.
Plus Stearns said he grew up a Mets fan.
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This was always just a matter of time.
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I think Stearns wouldn't have taken the gig unless they saw eye to eye on the process for building a team.
Do you think Cohen will be that patient?
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Do you think Cohen will be that patient?
Yes I think Cohen is/will be impatient if something is totally not working, aka cutting bait on a big/expensive signing. But if it’s building as part of a process, he’s understanding, aka young talent
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Also, we really have no idea how Stearns will build a big payroll team. I’m sure he will be a little more aggressive for stars.
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When Andy MacPhail left the Twins for the Cubs, many said, “If he could win 2 World Series with cheap-ass Minnesota, just think how good he’ll be running an organization that’s willing to open the wallet.”
Turns out … not so good.
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When Andy MacPhail left the Twins for the Cubs, many said, “If he could win 2 World Series with cheap-ass Minnesota, just think how good he’ll be running an organization that’s willing to open the wallet.”
Turns out … not so good.
I have no ill will towards Stearns. Hope he does well except against Milwaukee.
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I have no ill will towards Stearns. Hope he does well except against Milwaukee.
Nor should you, nor was I saying anybody should. It was more a response to cheebs' post about whether or not Stearns knows how to build a big-payroll team. We'll see!
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More bites at da apple, aina?
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Donaldson might just be a key upgrade for the Brewers...
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I saw an article that Cohen wants the NYM to be the Dodgers of the East Coast..... He will spend the $$$$$$$ like LAD and develop a good farm system as well ! ! ! 8-)
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Donaldson might just be a key upgrade for the Brewers...
I’ve got no love for the Brewers, but honestly a great low risk pick up. He was terrible in NY but not that far removed from a pretty decent last year in MIN. He’s not gonna need to be an everyday guy and has tons of playoff experience to bring to the clubhouse for the stretch
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I appreciate everything the dbacks have done for the brewers this month
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I appreciate everything the dbacks have done for the brewers this month
Yes, but the Brewers have certainly been helping themselves as well. Except for that series In Pittsburgh, they’ve really played well and hitting has come alive.
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I’m old enough to remember people wanting Counsell fired, aina?
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Yes, but the Brewers have certainly been helping themselves as well. Except for that series In Pittsburgh, they’ve really played well and hitting has come alive.
Yup, very few series being lost.
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I’m old enough to remember people wanting Counsell fired, aina?
Rediscovering the Yeli Juice has helped.
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Rediscovering the Yeli Juice has helped.
Peddle his azz
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Peddle his azz
And Corbin Burnes for a can of beans ai'na?
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And Corbin Burnes for a can of beans ai'na?
BUM
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Cheap ass Mark izant gonna pony up fore #39 or Wood, aina?
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Cheap ass Mark izant gonna pony up fore #39 or Wood, aina?
Yup, that’s why I’m not enjoying another division title. I can say “told you so”. Much more satisfying
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Tampa Bay Times reporting a deal is complete and will be announced shortly for new baseball stadium in St. Petersburg plus area development. Post 2027 season.
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That would be great to finally give that organization some stability.
A few other details:
++ 30,000-seat domed stadium.
++ Open in time for 2028 season.
++ $1.2 billion expected cost.
++ Rays owner Stuart Sternberg told the Tampa Bay Times earlier this month that the organization expected to "pay for half or more" of the cost for the stadium. The remainder of the cost will be contributed by the city of St. Petersburg and Pinellas County.
++ Overall project eventually would include affordable housing, office space and retail.
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Congrats on the AL central, PGheros.
Good luck getting a win. ;)
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Rowdy Tellez, future loogy?
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Congrats on the AL central, PGheros.
Good luck getting a win. ;)
I think so long as Royce plays they get that W finally.
If they cant get one this year, not sure it ever happens again.
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A’s spent big on Miguel Cabrera’s. $90 bottle of wine. Miggy is a recovering alcoholic…
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Such a Cubs way to lose tonight. Add another chapter to their lore of choking. ;D
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Such a Cubs way to lose tonight. Add another chapter to their lore of choking. ;D
Santo is rolling over in his grave.
Ohhhh noooooo
ETA:
Today's video with hughes/Santo radio call.
https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1706856745266466956?t=q9HwH642pHmaG_GNgBIIiw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1706856745266466956?t=q9HwH642pHmaG_GNgBIIiw&s=19)
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Some geniuses wanted to fire Craig Counsell, the best damn manager in the game
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Such a Cubs way to lose tonight. Add another chapter to their lore of choking. ;D
Brant Brown to Steve Bartman to Seiya Suzuki ought to cause Cubs fans to forget about Tinkers to Evers to Chance.
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The AL West is like a piece from that classic Alec Baldwin soliloquy in Glengarry Glen Ross:
Have I got your attention now? Good. 'Cause we're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know, first prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is ... you're fired. Get the picture? You laughing now?
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Some geniuses wanted to fire Craig Counsell, the best damn manager in the game
Correct.
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A’s spent big on Miguel Cabrera’s. $90 bottle of wine. Miggy is a recovering alcoholic…
Nah, $74 at Costco, hey?
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Brant Brown to Steve Bartman to Seiya Suzuki ought to cause Cubs fans to forget about Tinkers to Evers to Chance.
Forgot Don Young to Leon Durham...
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Hellofa pitcher, hey?
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I appreciate Acura’s accomplishment with his 70th stolen base, but that was a really odd time though to stop and celebrate the accomplishment there in the bottom of the 10th.
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Brewers bring back Garrett Mitchell and DFA Brian Anderson whose tenure in Milwaukee is one of the weirdest I can recall
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Yeah though he really fell off after a hot start to the year. With Monestario and Donaldson, there just isn't room for him. I doubt Mitchell plays much, but he could be a pinch runner at times.
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I appreciate Acura’s accomplishment with his 70th stolen base, but that was a really odd time though to stop and celebrate the accomplishment there in the bottom of the 10th.
To be honest, it slowed the game down and let the Cubs think and dwell on the moment more. Actually brilliant gamesmanship :-\
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The Mets and MLB really bending over the Marlins hard.
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The Mets and MLB really bending over the Marlins hard.
Pretty brutal delay.
At least they suspended it finally at 2-1 and itll only be played if necessary. Sucks for marlins if they do have to travel back to New York monday just to play less than 6 total outs to fly to milwaukee for Tuesday.
Will only matter if Cubs gain 1 game on the Marlins over the final 3 this weekend. M's have tiebreak so if both teams do the same this weekend and Marlins hold their half game lead the game is irrelevant.
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White Sox lose 100th game.
Time for a whole new management team......or not :(
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Cubbie collapse is complete. Pretty amazing even for them.
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They finally win a game and get eliminated in the process.
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Cubbie collapse is complete. Pretty amazing even for them.
They blew what should have been their playoff spot, but as Cubs collapses go historically, this year was not a top two or three performance. Although whiffing on a routine fly ball will help everyone remember it easier.
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Cubbie collapse is complete. Pretty amazing even for them.
I know they had a big run differential, but I think they were always a paper tiger. They are tied for second to last in the NL in wins against against teams with winning records (only beating Colorado). Yesterday, they were alone in second to last but San Diego just crept over .500 and that gained them 4 more wins. Their record and run differential comes from blowing out crappy teams. They struggled against even average teams.
Funny enough, the Brewers are the only NL team above ,.500 that the Cubs don't have a losing record against (6-6) and may get into winning record territory todaty. Of course they faced the Brewers B-team in the final three games.
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They blew what should have been their playoff spot, but as Cubs collapses go historically, this year was not a top two or three performance. Although whiffing on a routine fly ball will help everyone remember it easier.
Might not have been a classic, but it was at least "Classic Lite."
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If this Twins team doesnt win a damn playoff game. They never will again.
This team is sneakily very good. Most well rounded team since 2006.
Still would like to avoid Astros though
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Miggy goes out in style. Tigers worked hard to make it classy.
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Brewers end up winning the division going away. Just like we all thought in March
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Brewers end up winning the division going away. Just like we all thought in March
Wait, what? I stopped maying attention after I heard Counsell should be fired and the offense still sucks and the season was over when they lost the first game of the season to the Cubs 4-0.
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Wait, what? I stopped maying attention after I heard Counsell should be fired and the offense still sucks and the season was over when they lost the first game of the season to the Cubs 4-0.
And have a cheap owner.
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I thought hey fired his azz and canceled the season.
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Wait, what? I stopped maying attention after I heard Counsell should be fired and the offense still sucks and the season was over when they lost the first game of the season to the Cubs 4-0.
It’s a miracle
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I thought hey fired his azz and canceled the season.
And they should have kept Hader
https://x.com/ajcassavell/status/1706537513379405901?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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Joey Votto got tossed from what likely was his last game as a big-league ballplayer by umpire Shane Livensparger. He wasn't happy about a strike call during an at-bat, and he was livid between innings when he saw on replay that the pitch had been well outside the zone.
When Votto screamed at Livensparger from the bench, he got the thumb. Afterward, Votto said the umpire had done the right thing.
Unfairly, I went back and checked the video and starting griping about a call. I really do get along really well with the umpires and have nothing but respect for them. My respect for them has increased over the course of my career, just recognizing how difficult their job is, the travel, the scrutiny they’re under, especially now more than ever. And here I am hollering at them, screaming at them from our dugout. And then, rightfully so, he ejected me. The game has to continue and I’m interrupting the game. ... My rules are you bite your tongue, stick it out, stay in the game, and it was one of those things where the emotions got the better of me and I ... overreacted. Rightfully so, the umpire sent me out of the game.
Votto also sent out this twiX: https://twitter.com/JoeyVotto/status/1708582543744733611?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1708582543744733611%7Ctwgr%5E4cae889e29bfbbcf3de12aaf3b66227cd14e034d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F4918815%2F2023%2F10%2F01%2Freds-joey-votto-ejection-last-game%2F
I've always liked that Votto is quirky and unafraid to speak his mind while still seeming to be classy. He's had hundreds of teammates over the years, and nobody's had a bad word to say about him, and his managers have loved him.
Very good player, too: 2,135 hits, 356 HR, 1,144 RBI, .409 OBP, .920 OPS. He had a career .307 batting avg and .941 OPS his first 13 seasons, and led the league in OBP 7 times, before age and injury caught up to him his last 4 years. He was 2010 NL MVP for a Reds team that surprisingly won the NL Central.
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I’ve yet to see someone with a meaningful negative thing to say about Votto. Consistent and fantastic as a player. Great personality and charisma in any media setting. Great with fans and the community in Cincy. If he was in a big market he’d probably be in a ton of ads.
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Nothing but respect. Votto and Miggy had a very nice moment when Detroit was in Cinci.
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The case seemed a bit odd from the jump, and his personality didn’t help, but it seems like Trevor Bauer got absolutely screwed. Not just by a predator, but by a lot of people involved with MLB
https://x.com/baueroutage/status/1708904525724270659?s=46
Zero reason for him not to be pitching in the MLB next year, especially since he’s been dealing in Japan
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The case seemed a bit odd from the jump, and his personality didn’t help, but it seems like Trevor Bauer got absolutely screwed. Not just by a predator, but by a lot of people involved with MLB
https://x.com/baueroutage/status/1708904525724270659?s=46
Zero reason for him not to be pitching in the MLB next year, especially since he’s been dealing in Japan
Wow. He's still a douche, but dude got absolutely railroaded.
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No Woodruff in the playoffs, big loss for the crew.
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No Woodruff in the playoffs, big loss for the crew.
Hello, darkness my old friend
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Kick in da nads, aina?
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The case seemed a bit odd from the jump, and his personality didn’t help, but it seems like Trevor Bauer got absolutely screwed. Not just by a predator, but by a lot of people involved with MLB
https://x.com/baueroutage/status/1708904525724270659?s=46
Zero reason for him not to be pitching in the MLB next year, especially since he’s been dealing in Japan
Meanwhile Ozuna is apart of the record breaking Braves while nearly beating women to death with his bare hands.
MLB should be ashamed in our they handled Bauer
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No Woodruff in the playoffs, big loss for the crew.
Feels like we always have a big injury right before the playoffs. Yelich, Williams, etc.
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Meanwhile Ozuna is apart of the record breaking Braves while nearly beating women to death with his bare hands.
MLB should be ashamed in our they handled Bauer
Probably had something to with him having 4 independent allegations around the country. Just speculating
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Feels like we always have a big injury right before the playoffs. Yelich, Williams, etc.
Next man up, hey?
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Probably had something to with him having 4 independent allegations around the country. Just speculating
Nope, this is all from the 1 trial the only one that had an actual case.
All the others were allegations after this one that buried him.
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Nope, this is all from the 1 trial the only one that had an actual case.
All the others were allegations after this one that buried him.
You’re incorrect. The MLB also investigated the other allegations. Per SI.
“As part of its investigation, MLB interviewed Bauer over several days, according to SI’s Stephanie Apstein. According to The Washington Post, the league also investigated Bauer for other sexual assault allegations. An Ohio woman said Bauer sexually assaulted her in 2017, the Post reported last August. The woman sought a temporary order of protection against him in ’20, which was granted and which she dropped after six weeks.”
Here’s the link as well
https://www.si.com/.amp/mlb/2022/08/10/trevor-bauer-sexual-battery-countersuit-los-angeles-investigation
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If you’re referring to what was just settled then yes, it was that one set of allegations. But the MLB investigated way further than just that.
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You’re incorrect. The MLB also investigated the other allegations. Per SI.
“As part of its investigation, MLB interviewed Bauer over several days, according to SI’s Stephanie Apstein. According to The Washington Post, the league also investigated Bauer for other sexual assault allegations. An Ohio woman said Bauer sexually assaulted her in 2017, the Post reported last August. The woman sought a temporary order of protection against him in ’20, which was granted and which she dropped after six weeks.”
Here’s the link as well
https://www.si.com/.amp/mlb/2022/08/10/trevor-bauer-sexual-battery-countersuit-los-angeles-investigation
Did you bother looking at the date of that??
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Did you bother looking at the date of that??
Did you bother reading what I wrote?
Go Twins I guess anyway.
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That sure looked like a fair ball
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Twins doing what the US Ryder Cup team couldn't. Congratulations on breaking the streak.
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Wasn’t sure if I’d ever see us win a playoff game again.
I’m effd with work, but if there’s a game 3 might walk over for the last few innings on Thursday
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Woof
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Just turned on the Brewers game, watched just two pitches to Arizona batters, both HRs.
Brutal.
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Maybe 35,000 max here tonite.
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Before you turned it on, the Brewers had engaged in Pfaadt shaming.
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Peddle Burnes for a bike, aina?
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Peddle Burnes for a bike, aina?
Former owner of the bike getting hosed.
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Former owner of the bike getting hosed.
Burnes is a loser
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In the last 36 hours I've learned that the #2 pitcher is out with a bum arm and I've watched the so called ace of the staff get shelled through 4 innings at home.
Not the way I expected this week to start.
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20 fanbases would happily swap with you. Playoffs are hard. All good teams who punish mistakes.
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20 fanbases would happily swap with you. Playoffs are hard. All good teams who punish mistakes.
Can't do anything about Brandon Woodruff. Athletes get injured.
But a veteran like Burnes, I don't expect to see 3 hanging curve balls end up in West Allis through 4 innings.
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The ghost of Brooks Robinson.
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Brutal
Take a HBP with the bases loaded in a playoff game, Turang
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C’mon. What’s with the base running? Adames last inning and now Yelich.
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Lets hope Royce has better injury luck than Buxton. Because hes also a way better player
Total game changer
Glad to finally win one. Need more than that though.
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The ghost of Brooks Robinson.
Seriously.
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Is left-handed hitting Rowdy Tellez hurt??
Because that would be the only explanation preventing the sending of a guy who hasn't put the bat on the ball since May, Jesse Wanker, to pinch hit in a one run game in the 8th, from being the stupidest decision I've ever seen Counsell make.
If Tellez is hurt, my apologies to the manager.
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What a dud.
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Is left-handed hitting Rowdy Tellez hurt??
Because that would be the only explanation preventing the sending of a guy who hasn't put the bat on the ball since May, Jesse Wanker, to pinch hit in a one run game in the 8th, from being the stupidest decision I've ever seen Counsell make.
If Tellez is hurt, my apologies to the manager.
He’s healthy and Winker could barely make it through the at bat.
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Dbacks/Brewers game was way overmanaged.
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He’s healthy and Winker could barely make it through the at bat.
I wasn't kidding when I said I didn't think Winker had put the bat on a ball since May. That didn't get any better tonight, striking out on 3 pitches. Not exactly what you're looking for from a late inning pinch hitter
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Let 'em move. At least they won't be able to find new ways to disappoint me.
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What a giant turd performance by the Brewers. More postseason garbage out of them.
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He’s healthy and Winker could barely make it through the at bat.
What an absolute joke. Whose decision was that?? Guy sucked when he wasn’t hurt then hasn’t played since end of July. What a shock he embarrassed himself up there.
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Let 'em move. At least they won't be able to find new ways to disappoint me.
Sometimes I miss when the biggest suspense was if we’d get to .500.
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What a dud.
Well, their Cy Young pitcher gave up three homers in 4 innings. Their all-star closer gave up 2 tack on runs in the 9th, which changed a 1 run game into a game over. In between their 2 stars, Adames and Yellich committed crucial base running errors with men on base. I don't know what their final LOB count was but last I heard they had 11 hits, 4 walks and an HBP, all to produce 3 runs. Finally, I love Craig Counsell, but I think he gets a well earned C-- tonight.
I guess "dud" says it well.
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To prove how truly inept their offense is, first three guys reach against Pfaadt, a rookie with an ERA of almost 6, and he proceeds to strike out the side after and survives the first with one run scoring. Unfreaking real.
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This loss is all on Burnes. Calling him an ace is a disgrace
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Coffee is for closers
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This loss is all on Burnes. Calling him an ace is a disgrace
No, it's not all on Burnes. But he's a veteran and in a 3 game playoff series, you gotta get more from the guy at the top of your rotation.
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No, it's not all on Burnes. But he's a veteran and in a 3 game playoff series, you gotta get more from the guy at the top of your rotation.
Blame everywhere tonight. Crap in every phase.
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No, it's not all on Burnes. But he's a veteran and in a 3 game playoff series, you gotta get more from the guy at the top of your rotation.
When Woodruff was announced as being out, it became imperative Burnes pitched like the guy he thinks he is
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When Woodruff was announced as being out, it became imperative Burnes pitched like the guy he thinks he is
Yeah absolutely. Because now it’s a nightmare scenario. They have to win two without Burnes and Woodruff.
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Yeah absolutely. Because now it’s a nightmare scenario. They have to win two without Burnes and Woodruff.
Hutch, we're being pimped here by Mr. Rico. Best not take the bait.
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Yeah absolutely. Because now it’s a nightmare scenario. They have to win two without Burnes and Woodruff.
Against Gallen and Kelly too.
While Brewers used a lot of BP bullets tonight. Williams might not even be available for much tomorrow.
Can still be done though.
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Against Gallen and Kelly too.
While Brewers used a lot of BP bullets tonight. Williams might not even be available for much tomorrow.
Can still be done though.
He should be available still in his usual role despite tonight. He’s only pitched twice since 9/17.
It can be done, especially at home. I’m not optimistic at all though.
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Knew it was a bad idea to let Joe Barry throw hanging breaking balls, make mistakes on the base paths, and pinch hit Jesse Winker
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Against Gallen and Kelly too.
While Brewers used a lot of BP bullets tonight. Williams might not even be available for much tomorrow.
Can still be done though.
PG---Williams will be available Wednesday night, if the situation calls for it. WTF, it's an elimination game. And don't be shocked if you see him before the 8th or 9th, if a certain match up or the situation calls for it. All the normal rules go out the window.
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Knew it was a bad idea to let Joe Barry throw hanging breaking balls, make mistakes on the base paths, and pinch hit Jesse Winker
Inexcusable.
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20k in Tampa for a playoff game. Conflict with the early bird specials? Big pickleball rave at the Villages?
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Inexcusable.
I don't know much about baseball but Winker? I repeat, Winker? WTF was Counsell thinking? What I see is .199. Inexcusable is accurate. :)
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The thought with Winker was he can work a count and get on base if you need a runner... and he struck out on three pitches.
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And injured himself in the process.
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And injured himself in the process.
Hey, at least it was foul tip he struck out on
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It’s 7:40 AM and Corbin Burnes is still a loser
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PG---Williams will be available Wednesday night, if the situation calls for it. WTF, it's an elimination game. And don't be shocked if you see him before the 8th or 9th, if a certain match up or the situation calls for it. All the normal rules go out the window.
I'm not talking about any rules
He threw like 25 pitches and looked awful. And as good as he normally is his control is always something that can go at any point.
Its not a matter of going back to back its how much. Id be stunned if he gives them 2 innings. Which is very common for top relievers in big games.
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https://twitter.com/UmpScorecards/status/1709576835938349100
Robo umps are so badly needed
Gausman doesnt finish two innings if the pitch to Julien is called properly.
Its sad too cause players like Julien that play with robo umps in the minors have elite eyes and know the zone. Yet are constantly screwed.
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Yeah it's pretty ridiculous at this point not to have robo umps. The guy doing the Brewer game was just so inconsistent - not saying anyone benefitted from it, but it is maddening when alternative technology exists yet here we are...
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Umps have families to feed!
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It’s 7:40 AM and Corbin Burnes is still a loser
Sez da dude hoos postin' at 7:40 am, hey?
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Yeah it's pretty ridiculous at this point not to have robo umps. The guy doing the Brewer game was just so inconsistent - not saying anyone benefitted from it, but it is maddening when alternative technology exists yet here we are...
100%.
It just annoys me because in a sport as precise as baseball guys are getting paid to do their job(hitters swinging at good pitches. Pitchers making pitches) and they can fail massively strictly cause someone else doesnt do their job with basically no recourse.
Im not enough of a purist to care about 1970 not having robo umps. Just get good calls. Twins won a game in Philly this year off a brutal strike call against Philly. And it just felt gross.
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Sez da dude hoos postin' at 7:40 am, hey?
Peddle his azz for a used bike, hey? “Ace”. Brewers were right in arbitration.
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Nah man, that's Bike as in jockstrap, hey?
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Nah man, that's Bike as in jockstrap, hey?
Yes, a used bike, eh?
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Sometimes I miss when the biggest suspense was if we’d get to .500.
Which coincided with the nadir of MU basketball. Good times in Milwaukee.
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Welp looks like May-July Nathan Eovaldi is back at just the right time for the Rangers.
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Welp looks like May-July Nathan Eovaldi is back at just the right time for the Rangers.
Elfin was dealing opposed him. Got out of a jam really well in the 3rd…then got shelled
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Carlos Correa might be the most clutch player in baseball history. Great contract, great player.
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Congratulations to the Twins. Probably good that Correa wasn't run off.
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That was a fun top of the 9th from Duran. Closer with good stuff dealing in front of a raucous crowd is peak fun baseball
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Let’s see if tonight’s pitcher can hold an early lead.
I actually learned on the broadcast that Freddy came over in a trade for Adam Lind when he was 16. Always thought we always had him.
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That was a fun top of the 9th from Duran. Closer with good stuff dealing in front of a raucous crowd is peak fun baseball
Playoff baseball might be my favorite postseason in pro sports.
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At least they won the division, right??
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Brewers sure know how to suck in the post season.
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Ass kickin', aina?
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At least they won the division, right??
Yep - as much fun as the 20 other teams that did not make the playoffs but got an extra two games to show they are not really a playoff team.
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Yep - as much fun as the 20 other teams that did not make the playoffs but got an extra two games to show they are not really a playoff team.
Of course they are “really a playoff team.” They had the third best record in the NL.
Just cause they sucked it up doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be there.
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Of course they are “really a playoff team.” They had the third best record in the NL.
Just cause they sucked it up doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be there.
Getting embarrassed in two games really shows they “deserve to be there”.
I know - I should just accept this is the Brewers ceiling. Win a crapty division. Get swept easily in the wild card round.
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Getting embarrassed in two games really shows they “deserve to be there”.
I know - I should just accept this is the Brewers ceiling. Win a crapty division. Get swept easily in the wild card round.
The lineup wasn’t good enough. They were never World Series contenders. But they were clearly good enough to make the Playoffs. They weren’t close to missing them.
This is probably the worst Brewers team to make a post season outside of the Covid year.
But the A’s can win consecutive games against the Braves in baseball. It’s not like college basketball where a clearly superior team will win 95% of the time. And the Brewers weren’t clearly superior to the Diamondbacks, just slightly.
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The lineup wasn’t good enough. They were never World Series contenders. But they were clearly good enough to make the Playoffs. They weren’t close to missing them.
This is probably the worst Brewers team to make a post season outside of the Covid year.
But the A’s can win consecutive games against the Braves in baseball. It’s not like college basketball where a clearly superior team will win 95% of the time. And the Brewers weren’t clearly superior to the Diamondbacks, just slightly.
I think the 2019 Wild Card team was worse but your overall point is correct.
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Good summary of the brewers season - bases loaded, 1 out and can’t get a run to score.
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The other good summary of the brewers season - score runs early innings and then go meekly hitting the rest of the game.
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Alright. Time to ignore baseball until after March Madness.
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Perennial paper tigers.
1-9 since 2018 in the playoffs. Time for some new blood, both in the dugout and on the field. It's all so stale.
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Perennial paper tigers.
1-9 since 2018 in the playoffs. Time for some new blood, both in the dugout and on the field. It's all so stale.
I think all but like 5 teams max would trade for Craig. He’s without a doubt one of the best managers in baseball.
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Alright. Time to ignore baseball until after March Madness.
I’m gonna take the DS to lick my wounds but if Minnesota or Baltimore can get to the ALCS, that will be enough for me to have an attentive if dispassionate rooting interest again.
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I think all but like 5 teams max would trade for Craig. He’s without a doubt one of the best managers in baseball.
I don't disagree. He's been excellent for the Brewers. But if he's out the door, no better time to refresh things.
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Alright. Time to ignore baseball until after March Madness.
Not yet. The Dodgers haven’t even started yet.
I was pulling for the brew crew. I hope they make a few offseason pickups.
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Adios Craig, hey?
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Adios Craig, hey?
0%.
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Since game 7 of the 2018 NLCS, the brewers have out 98 guys on base, only 17 of those have scored. Brutal.
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0%.
Opinions are like ass holes. Everyone's got one, aina?
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Since game 7 of the 2018 NLCS, the brewers have out 98 guys on base, only 17 of those have scored. Brutal.
Need boppers
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Opinions are like ass holes. Everyone's got one, aina?
Yes true. If you'd like to wager that Counsell is fired I'd take you more seriously.
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Yes true. If you'd like to wager that Counsell is fired I'd take you more seriously.
Counsell will not be fired. That doesn't mean that he'll be here next season
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He has no contact after their season ended last night. It couldn’t be a firing. Besides, Attanasio has publicly said he wants him back. So his being fired or not is a complete non argument to have however you look at it.
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Yes true. If you'd like to wager that Counsell is fired I'd take you more seriously.
I think he’s gone as well. Definitely won’t be fired, nor should he, but feels like this may have run its course in his mind.
I’m ok with that. I trust this FO to not do a sentimental hire and get the best person for the job.
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I think he’s gone as well. Definitely won’t be fired, nor should he, but feels like this may have run its course in his mind.
I’m ok with that. I trust this FO to not do a sentimental hire and get the best person for the job.
It’s pretty obvious you’re talking about Tony LaRussa, no need to he cryptic.
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It’s pretty obvious you’re talking about Tony LaRussa, no need to he cryptic.
I do have an ex-Cardinal manager in mind but he’s definitely not the one
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I do have an ex-Cardinal manager in mind but he’s definitely not the one
Oh I like your thinking. Trade Contreras, get Molina out of retirement to be player-coach. Brewers desperately need to get back to the roots of baseball.
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Oh I like your thinking. Trade Contreras, get Molina out of retirement to be player-coach. Brewers desperately need to get back to the roots of baseball.
Ha!
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Yes true. If you'd like to wager that Counsell is fired I'd take you more seriously.
Bryan man, he's a free agent, aina?
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I do have an ex-Cardinal manager in mind but he’s definitely not the one
Mike Matheny come on down!
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Bryan man, he's a free agent, aina?
I don't see a number!
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Here ya go Bro:
I will wager a gift box of 4 caramel apples from Amy's in Cedarburg that Craig Counsell will not be the on field manager of the Milwaukee Brewers in 2024 for whatever reason that is publicly announced. This wager will remain in effect until either Counsell moves to another team in any capacity, retires, is fired, or resigns as manager of the Brewers. Should he accept any other job with the Milwaukee Brewers, other than manager, this wager becomes null and void.
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Here ya go Bro:
I will wager a gift box of 4 caramel apples from Amy's in Cedarburg that Craig Counsell will not be the on field manager of the Milwaukee Brewers in 2024 for whatever reason that is publicly announced. This wager will remain in effect until either Counsell moves to another team in any capacity, retires, is fired, or resigns as manager of the Brewers. Should he accept any other job with the Milwaukee Brewers, other than manager, this wager becomes null and void.
I'll accept... but aren't sweets and carbs a no no?
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Here ya go Bro:
I will wager a gift box of 4 caramel apples from Amy's in Cedarburg that Craig Counsell will not be the on field manager of the Milwaukee Brewers in 2024 for whatever reason that is publicly announced. This wager will remain in effect until either Counsell moves to another team in any capacity, retires, is fired, or resigns as manager of the Brewers. Should he accept any other job with the Milwaukee Brewers, other than manager, this wager becomes null and void.
While I appreciate the pro se contract drafting efforts here, I'm confused by why you are so steadfastly including "is fired" in your list of contingencies. He's not currently employed by the Brewers for 2024. They don't have to fire him for him not to manage for them next year.
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You're right, just inserted that to poke Hards. BTW, I'd make a chitty attorney, aina?
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If I was a betting person, I’d put money on him not managing the Brewers next year and getting a job in the front office. He was in the front office before becoming manager.
I would be surprised if he managed in New York. His son is playing college baseball and he still has kids in high school.
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I'll accept... but aren't sweets and carbs a no no?
I'm grain-free, chocolate-free, and nut-free. So, if I win, please send only plain caramel apples. Thank you, hey?
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I'm grain-free, chocolate-free, and nut-free. So, if I win, please send only plain caramel apples. Thank you, hey?
Live a little bit Doc.
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Fo, I'm havin' a blast, hey?
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Mike Matheny come on down!
Not the Mike I’m thinking of
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Yes true. If you'd like to wager that Counsell is fired I'd take you more seriously.
Counsel will not be fired. Period.
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If I was a betting person, I’d put money on him not managing the Brewers next year and getting a job in the front office. He was in the front office before becoming manager.
I would be surprised if he managed in New York. His son is playing college baseball and he still has kids in high school.
I agree he’s going to step away from field manager for at least next year and maybe longer for the family reasons you stated. His refusal to sign any extension is very telling of his likely intentions. That’s almost unheard of nowadays. And I’m pretty sure he’s come out and said about being able to watch and follow his kids in their sports.
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I love Counsell as the manager of my team and I know Antanasio feels the same way. He ain't going to be fired.
I believe he has a sophomore son playing college baseball at the University of Minnesota and a freshman son playing at Michigan. Also 2 daughters at Whitefish Bay HS who are athletes. If I had to guess I'd say he steps away for 2-3 years and spends his springs and summers traveling around the Midwest watching his boys play baseball and his fall and winter watching his girls do what they do.
How about this for a real long shot. The Brewers appoint current bench coach and Counsell's former college coach Pat Murphy, as manager. And in a couple of years when Counsell wants to manage again, Murphy magically steps down. Doubt that happens, but who knows.
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I love Counsell as the manager of my team and I know Antanasio feels the same way. He ain't going to be fired.
I believe he has a sophomore son playing college baseball at the University of Minnesota and a freshman son playing at Michigan. Also 2 daughters at Whitefish Bay HS who are athletes. If I had to guess I'd say he steps away for 2-3 years and spends his springs and summers traveling around the Midwest watching his boys play baseball and his fall and winter watching his girls do what they do.
How about this for a real long shot. The Brewers appoint current bench coach and Counsell's former college coach Pat Murphy, as manager. And in a couple of years when Counsell wants to manage again, Murphy magically steps down. Doubt that happens, but who knows.
I think Murphy managing the Brewers next year is the most likely scenario of Counsell steps down
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Well I'm not necessarily predicting anything. But the common refrain I have observed from older or retired coaches over the years is that their biggest regret was they didn't get to spend enough time with their families and they missed seeing their kids grow up ( the MLB manager who's kid plays Little League baseball for 5 years and dad never gets to see 1 game because he's either on the road or himself at the ballpark).
If I'm Counsell and I'm financially secure enough step away for 3 years to travel and watch my kids play B10 baseball or go to high school tennis matches or swim meets, there really wouldn't be any decision to make. You only get one crack at those things.
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I love Counsell as the manager of my team and I know Antanasio feels the same way. He ain't going to be fired.
Enough already. He can’t be fired.
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When did the Twins steal the Marlins’ hate?
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Go Dodgers!!!
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Stay classy, Atlanta fans.
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Dodger pitching is no bueno tonight.
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Dodger pitching is no bueno tonight.
I’m sure some of the older guys have another comp, but I can’t even remotely process another definite HOF pitcher with a greater regular season to playoff discrepancy in performance. He’s been shockingly bad numerous times, not just a random snakebite of an off day performance.
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Stay classy, Atlanta fans.
That was such a strange play. I saw nothing in replays but the C’s reaction of bringing his glove back after the swing as well as no reaction after the call indicated there was contact.
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I’m sure some of the older guys have another comp, but I can’t even remotely process another definite HOF pitcher with a greater regular season to playoff discrepancy in performance. He’s been shockingly bad numerous times, not just a random snakebite of an off day performance.
I couldn’t agree more. He’s just horrible in the playoffs. Well, I hope the boys can regroup and dig themselves out of this hole. Not the end of the world, but losing game 1 of the series at home is ….. no bueno.
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I think the Marlins are happy as well based off need.
But Lopez for Arraez will go down as a top 3 minnesota sports transaction
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I think the Marlins are happy as well based off need.
But Lopez for Arraez will go down as a top 3 minnesota sports transaction
I guess you're also pretty happy with Correa now, at least momentarily.
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I guess you're also pretty happy with Correa now, at least momentarily.
Playoff Correa is different
Hes also batting where he should be, 4th vs lefties and 5th or 6th vs righties.
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Wild play to end the Atl-Phillie game. Very good catch, poor baserunning decision by Harper, double play, Braves complete the comeback.
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Dodgers starting pitching again stinking up the joint.
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Wild play to end the Atl-Phillie game. Very good catch, poor baserunning decision by Harper, double play, Braves complete the comeback.
I actually didnt hate that by Harper. Should have been a little more careful but he wanted to make sure he ties the game if it falls which is a solid risk to take imo
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Great call by Brian Anderson on that game ending double play.
Love that Olson is pumping his fist while simultaneously catching the last out to double up Harper.
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You go half speed into second until you see if it drops.
But, he was trying to make a play and it bit him. It won't change him. This is a good thing.
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Great call by Brian Anderson on that game ending double play.
Love that Olson is pumping his fist while simultaneously catching the last out to double up Harper.
Thrilling ending, starting with the HR that put Atlanta up in the bottom of the eighth, and right on through the final play. I love playoff baseball (and basketball, hockey and football).
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Dodgers starting pitching again stinking up the joint.
Last year they tank against the Padres. This year the Dbacks have them on the brink of elimination. What's up with these guys. You win 100 games+ year after year, then piss it all away in the playoffs? Unbelievable. I sure hope they can pull off a miracle and win this series, but somehow I don't think that's gonna happen.
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The real MN sports showing up today.
Shrinking every big AB.
Just brutal.
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Last year they tank against the Padres. This year the Dbacks have them on the brink of elimination. What's up with these guys. You win 100 games+ year after year, then piss it all away in the playoffs? Unbelievable. I sure hope they can pull off a miracle and win this series, but somehow I don't think that's gonna happen.
Roberts is way overrated.
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Last year they tank against the Padres. This year the Dbacks have them on the brink of elimination. What's up with these guys. You win 100 games+ year after year, then piss it all away in the playoffs? Unbelievable. I sure hope they can pull off a miracle and win this series, but somehow I don't think that's gonna happen.
Last year? SD had a good team who got hot at the right time, I guess.
This year?
No Buehler, no Urias, no Gonsolin, no May. And Kershaw is 100. Hard to win in the playoffs without any starting pitching.
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Memo to Orlando Arcia....
Don't poke the bear.
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In the Brewers 6 Playoff appearances as a franchise, the team that eliminated them has gone on to win the WS 5 times. Should’ve bet the DBacks right after game 2.
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If Philadelphia advances, none of the final four teams will have won more than 90 games this season.
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If Philadelphia advances, none of the final four teams will have won more than 90 games this season.
True, but they were all good teams. In baseball, unlike the NBA, any team that gets into the post season can win it all.
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True, but they were all good teams. In baseball, unlike the NBA, any team that gets into the post season can win it all.
The more teams they add, the more things like this will happen.
It’s humorous to watch people bemoan the top teams losing when it’s been happening since they went to divisions. The best team I saw was the ‘86 Mets and they held on by the skin of their teeth.
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True, but they were all good teams. In baseball, unlike the NBA, any team that gets into the post season can win it all.
I didn’t say they weren’t. Don’t read something that isn’t there. I didn’t say it didn’t mean they weren’t good teams. It’s much more common than many realize going back a while.
Scoop’s beloved Cardinals won the 2006 WS after an 83 win season. And 2011 they won the WS as a Wild Card team. The 10 other times they had 90 plus wins in the past 20 years, they didn’t.
Of course it would be nice to have some of that Dodgers type of money too. They don’t have to sell fans as much on things like value etc...
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The baseball playoffs are also less representative of the regular season than any other sport - they reward different strengths and punish different weaknesses. So a lot of what goes into seeding teams over a 162 game season loses its import when gauging favorites in a short series.
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In 1987, an 85-win Twins team beat the 98-win Tigers in the ALCS and then the 95-win Cardinals in the World Series.
It happens. Teams that don’t like it have a potential solution: Win more postseason games.
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The baseball playoffs are also less representative of the regular season than any other sport - they reward different strengths and punish different weaknesses. So a lot of what goes into seeding teams over a 162 game season loses its import when gauging favorites in a short series.
Yeo. Anything can and does happen in a short 7 game or less series. But you do of course have to get there.
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I didn’t say they weren’t. Don’t read something that isn’t there. I didn’t say it didn’t mean they weren’t good teams. It’s much more common than many realize going back a while.
Scoop’s beloved Cardinals won the 2006 WS after an 83 win season. And 2011 they won the WS as a Wild Card team. The 10 other times they had 90 plus wins in the past 20 years, they didn’t.
Of course it would be nice to have some of that Dodgers type of money too. They don’t have to sell fans as much on things like value etc...
My post wasn't a criticism of what you said, Just adding on.
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Ronald Acuna - on average - bats 4-5 times a game. That is a minimal number of chances that he has to put runs on the board.
Nicola Jokich, in a 100 possession game, has 100 different opportunities to affect points on the board.
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In 1987, an 85-win Twins team beat the 98-win Tigers in the ALCS and then the 95-win Cardinals in the World Series.
It happens. Teams that don’t like it have a potential solution: Win more postseason games.
And that brings up another factor, injuries. The Cardinals lost in 7 games in 1987 without Jack Clark and Terry Pendletom who were injured.
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/16/sports/world-series-87-cardinals-won-t-have-pendleton-at-third-for-series.html
Sometimes some of the players that help get the team there aren't available and it's a little bit of a differrent team.
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I don't know that it has been or can be quantified, but it seems the first round bye or extended waits after sweeping
a series while the next opponent grinds out a win can have the effect of icing teams in baseball. Braves, Dodgers,Orioles never really got out of the gate. I think it happened twice to my Tigers in the WS.
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In 1987, an 85-win Twins team beat the 98-win Tigers in the ALCS and then the 95-win Cardinals in the World Series.
It happens. Teams that don’t like it have a potential solution: Win more postseason games.
I had just moved to S. St. Paul and fondly recall the convertible Corvettes Bergstrom must have loaned the team catching fire in the too deep ticker tape parade.
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True, but they were all good teams. In baseball, unlike the NBA, any team that gets into the post season can win it all.
Except the Brewers, it seems.
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Woodruff likely out for 2024
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Woodruff likely out for 2024
Does that make a Burnes trade more or less likely? I’d assume they probably aren’t giving Woodruff a big extension now.
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They should've traded Burnes at this past season's deadline. If they don't do it now...
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Does that make a Burnes trade more or less likely? I’d assume they probably aren’t giving Woodruff a big extension now.
My gut says they keep him but I’d trade him for a used bike
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Does that make a Burnes trade more or less likely? I’d assume they probably aren’t giving Woodruff a big extension now.
Ugh. I think it depends partially on if they nontender Woodruff. If they have Woodruff on the books, whether by tendering him through his final arb year or a mini-extension that covers this year and his first healthy year, its hard to imagine them also paying Burnes for 2024. That would be a ton of money just for whatever innings Burnes gives you.
If I was putting money down, I think Burnes and Woodruff are both gone, they'll bring back Adames in hopes of rehabbing his trade value a bit, and Counsell won't be the manager.
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No with his trade value down to nil, I'd like to see them sign Woodruff to a 2-3 year deal this offseason that's loaded with incentives.
Trade Burnes now for several young stud pitching prospects that are close to being ready to hop into the rotation. If Adames doesn't want to sign a several year arb-buyout deal, then trade him for young starting pitching too.
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No with his trade value down to nil, I'd like to see them sign Woodruff to a 2-3 year deal this offseason that's loaded with incentives.
Trade Burnes now for several young stud pitching prospects that are close to being ready to hop into the rotation. If Adames doesn't want to sign a several year arb-buyout deal, then trade him for young starting pitching too.
They need some big corner bats if they trade Burnes. I’m fine trading Adames.
I don’t think they can do this, though, and lobby for a stadium deal. Basically, they’re stuck going for it again, I think
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They need some big corner bats if they trade Burnes. I’m fine trading Adames.
I don’t think they can do this, though, and lobby for a stadium deal. Basically, they’re stuck going for it again, I think
I think they need to go out and get some more team speed for christsakes!
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Trade Burnes for players that can hit homers in October and, if Trevor Bauer truly was railroaded, go get Trevor Bauer to replace Burnes.
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No with his trade value down to nil, I'd like to see them sign Woodruff to a 2-3 year deal this offseason that's loaded with incentives.
As I think about it, just tendering Woodruff is probably out of the question yeah? It’s either an extension or a nontender? If they didn’t tender him he would either have to sign a multi year deal with another team or not get paid for 2024 right? Seems like there’s a deal to be made there.
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My gut says they keep him but I’d trade him for a used bike
10 speed?
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They need some big corner bats if they trade Burnes. I’m fine trading Adames.
I don’t think they can do this, though, and lobby for a stadium deal. Basically, they’re stuck going for it again, I think
Nibbin' at da apple, aina?
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A's pitcher Trevor May, a 9-year big-leaguer, announced his retirement ... but not before taking a parting shot at team owner John Fisher:
“Sell the team, dude. Sell it, man. Let someone who actually takes pride in the things they own, own something ... Take mommy and daddy’s money somewhere else, dork. And also, if you’re going to be a greedy f—, own it. There’s nothing weaker than being afraid of cameras. That’s one thing I really struggled with this year, not just eviscerating that guy. Do what you’re going to do, bro. You’re whatever."
(From The Athletic)
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https://x.com/mlbtraderumors/status/1714324952994705560?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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https://x.com/mlbtraderumors/status/1714324952994705560?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Katie and Derrick are good ar their jobs.
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A's pitcher Trevor May, a 9-year big-leaguer, announced his retirement ... but not before taking a parting shot at team owner John Fisher:
“Sell the team, dude. Sell it, man. Let someone who actually takes pride in the things they own, own something ... Take mommy and daddy’s money somewhere else, dork. And also, if you’re going to be a greedy f—, own it. There’s nothing weaker than being afraid of cameras. That’s one thing I really struggled with this year, not just eviscerating that guy. Do what you’re going to do, bro. You’re whatever."
(From The Athletic)
Honestly, this just makes May look like a tool more than anything. Dude played in Oakland for a single solitary year. Not to mention calling the owner greedy when he got a 1 year, $7MM deal at age 33 the year after pitching a career low in innings due to injury.
There are plenty of things to criticize Fisher/The A's about, but the source and his argument, not to mention the manner, just makes him look super lame. But hey, hope it converts into some Twitch subscribers from angsty A's fans!
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Honestly, this just makes May look like a tool more than anything. Dude played in Oakland for a single solitary year. Not to mention calling the owner greedy when he got a 1 year, $7MM deal at age 33 the year after pitching a career low in innings due to injury.
Trevor May can't call out the A's owner's greed because he signed a $7 million contract after an injury plagued season?
I'm not connecting the dots here.
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Trevor May can't call out the A's owner's greed because he signed a $7 million contract after an injury plagued season?
I'm not connecting the dots here.
Someone who spent a single year somewhere doesn't seem like the most informed person to speak to the full breadth of an owner/organization like he's long suffering, as his statement conveyed to me. You'd have assumed he was someone like Canha making that statement. And the irony was him getting a bigger over market contract from the "greedy" owner than anyone else would have given him.
Fisher is a terrible owner and what he's doing to A's fans in pursuit of a ballpark is gross, but May just seems like a odd mouthpiece for the complaints, just my opinion. Its not a defense of the As in any way.
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Someone who spent a single year somewhere doesn't seem like the most informed person to speak to the full breadth of an owner/organization like he's long suffering, as his statement conveyed to me. You'd have assumed he was someone like Canha making that statement. And the irony was him getting a bigger over market contract from the "greedy" owner than anyone else would have given him.
Fisher is a terrible owner and what he's doing to A's fans in pursuit of a ballpark is gross, but May just seems like a odd mouthpiece for the complaints, just my opinion. Its not a defense of the As in any way.
So, he's not wrong, but he's a tool anyway because he wasn't there long enough? I don't know. I've never lived in Oakland, never been an As fan, and haven't attended a game in the Coliseum since the early 90s. I still think the guy is greedy.
As for getting an over-market contract ... maybe? The market pays what the market pays.
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Two real good ballgames tonight.
Altuve must be cheatin' again!! (That's a joke. I think. I'm pretty sure. I think.)
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Kimbrel may be the 2023 version of Jose Valverde. Man, when your bulletproof closer suddenly stinks in the postseason, it is a desolate feeling.
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My BIL is a big Rangers fan, so we were texting through the second half of the game after Garcia’s HR. Both thought the decision to pull Chapman when they did was a good one. Did not expect that to happen from Altuve tho.
Dbacks are wild. Nobody really that scary in that lineup, IMO, but they just find ways to win.
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Kimbrel may be the 2023 version of Jose Valverde. Man, when your bulletproof closer suddenly stinks in the postseason, it is a desolate feeling.
Kimbrel hasn’t been bulletproof for a long, long time.
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No, but blowing back to back playoff games is a different level and throws the entire bullpen into chaos.
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Not a dirty play by Harper. Moreno's momentum carried him into the baseline.
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Former Brewers pitcher Pete Ladd passed away at age 67. Had 2 saves and got the last out of the ‘82 ALCS, taking over for an injured Rollie Fingers.
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Former Brewers pitcher Pete Ladd passed away at age 67. Had 2 saves and got the last out of the ‘82 ALCS, taking over for an injured Rollie Fingers.
Ladd was one of those "exciting" relievers you had to watch through your fingers as you covered your eyes, but he mostly came through when the Brewers desperately needed a closer.
Loved those late-70s and early-80s Brewers teams. Spent many an early-fall and early-spring day tailgating at County Stadium before going to our $2.75 seats in the RF bleachers to watch the HRs fly.
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When it comes to the major pro sports, while the Bucks and Bears are my teams, I'm big fans of the NBA and the NFL in general and watch good amounts of non-"my team" games. Whereas baseball, I'm a big Cubs fan and always know their trend/form/recent results, but I watch a significantly lower percentage of their games compared to the other 2 teams and rarely watch much other MLB other than a Brewers game if I'm with my parents or other friends teams with them.
But the playoffs can be just so much fun and this LCS set is among the best I can remember. Both series have been punch/counter punch, tons of comebacks and huge moments. I love watching Harper and still love Schwarber and Castellanos from their Cubs days so the Phils are fun but man the Dbacks are resilient. And the ALCS, my BIL is a huge Rangers fan being from East Texas. So I was following Game 1/2 and texting a bit with him, but Ive been watching enraptured the last couple games. Game 5 was wild and last night was insane. The combination of the 8th inning jam into the Garcia grand slam, all on the road, was ridiculous.
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Bucks, Bears, Cubs.
What did your parents do to you?
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When it comes to the major pro sports, while the Bucks and Bears are my teams, I'm big fans of the NBA and the NFL in general and watch good amounts of non-"my team" games. Whereas baseball, I'm a big Cubs fan and always know their trend/form/recent results, but I watch a significantly lower percentage of their games compared to the other 2 teams and rarely watch much other MLB other than a Brewers game if I'm with my parents or other friends teams with them.
But the playoffs can be just so much fun and this LCS set is among the best I can remember. Both series have been punch/counter punch, tons of comebacks and huge moments. I love watching Harper and still love Schwarber and Castellanos from their Cubs days so the Phils are fun but man the Dbacks are resilient. And the ALCS, my BIL is a huge Rangers fan being from East Texas. So I was following Game 1/2 and texting a bit with him, but Ive been watching enraptured the last couple games. Game 5 was wild and last night was insane. The combination of the 8th inning jam into the Garcia grand slam, all on the road, was ridiculous.
I’ve said many times that baseball is by far my least favorite of college basketball, college football, NBA, or NFL but it might be my favorite playoffs. The atmosphere is just more intense in the MLB playoffs than any of the others.
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Randomly, I am imagining Jose Valverde with a pitch clock. It would have destroyed him.
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Both leagues going to game 7 in the LCS. Happened in ‘20. Before that was ‘04
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Randomly, I am imagining Jose Valverde with a pitch clock. It would have destroyed him.
Not as much as Mike Hargrove. He would have 3 strikes called before a pitch was even thrown to him.
Trying to remember his nickname. The Human Rain Delay, maybe?
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Not as much as Mike Hargrove. He would have 3 strikes called before a pitch was even thrown to him.
Trying to remember his nickname. The Human Rain Delay, maybe?
It was The Human Rain Delay
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Good call.
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Rangers making the World Series potentially going through Tampa, Baltimore & Houston is why you keep taking bites at the apple
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Get in and you never know when you are going to get stupid hot.
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Get in and you never know when you are going to get stupid hot.
Yup. Nats in ‘19, Braves in ‘21 weren’t exactly teams anyone expected to win it all. Heck, the whole century has been full of unexpected winners
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Ah, porn tweet liker Ted Cruz is at the game. His teams lose important games he attends. The Drake of America
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Rangers making the World Series potentially going through Tampa, Baltimore & Houston is why you keep taking bites at the apple
Rangers took some big ass bites.
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Rangers took some big ass bites.
They had that 8-game losing streak in August and I think they were on the outside looking in entering September. Just pounding teams now
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They had that 8-game losing streak in August and I think they were on the outside looking in entering September. Just pounding teams now
Yeah I just mean they’ve spent a ton of money the last year or so to get to this point.
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Ah, porn tweet liker Ted Cruz is at the game. His teams lose important games he attends. The Drake of America
Plus they have to clean all of the slime off his seat after the game.
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They had that 8-game losing streak in August and I think they were on the outside looking in entering September. Just pounding teams now
Win games 1 and 2 on the road in Houston. Lose the next 3 including an absolute soul crushing Game 5 at home on the Altuve bomb, to bring up elimination...so they proceed to win the next 2 in Houston putting up a combined 20 runs in 2 games...good GAWD.
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Win games 1 and 2 on the road in Houston. Lose the next 3 including an absolute soul crushing Game 5 at home on the Altuve bomb, to bring up elimination...so they proceed to win the next 2 in Houston putting up a combined 20 runs in 2 games...good GAWD.
There’s no such thing as game-to-game momentum in baseball.
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Texas waived Garcia in 2021. 29 teams had a chance to claim him. None did. He was then invited to Texas camp as a non-roster player.
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https://x.com/cardinals/status/1208491425928818691?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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Tommy Pham is also a former Cardinal. Both were clearly taught the right way to play.
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HOUSTON – Dusty Baker has expressed to multiple people inside and outside of the Houston Astros organization that 2023 will be his final season as manager, sources briefed on the matter told The Athletic over the past week.
https://theathletic.com/4992336/2023/10/23/dusty-baker-astros-final-season/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=8075008
I'm glad Dusty got his championship last season. Every team he managed got better, usually much better, after he took over. Every single one. He also was a fine player, and a guy who played during a tumultuous time for Black ballplayers - and Black people in general - and has some amazing stories about it.
I would think he'll get into the Hall of Fame now; given some recent inductees, he should be a shoo-in.
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He has earned it.
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https://x.com/cardinals/status/1208491425928818691?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Yep. He was 26 with 17 career at bats. Rangers were desperate for right handed hitters and hey were willing to give him lots of playing time on a 102 loss team. 29 teams including the Brewers could have claimed him but didn't.
I told you the other day that Katie and Derrick are good at their jobs. I'm not surprised Derrick has it here.
https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1716651426280050814?t=5tCqDOzC7p7DNjaJVzQzzQ&s=19
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Tommy Pham is also a former Cardinal. Both were clearly taught the right way to play.
He must have played for Tim Izzo at some point.
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I’ve said many times that baseball is by far my least favorite of college basketball, college football, NBA, or NFL but it might be my favorite playoffs. The atmosphere is just more intense in the MLB playoffs than any of the others.
Go to some college games near you. They don't have the set up yet as some other teams in their league, but they'll host 5 or 6 weekends of top 25 ball. College baseball is a lot of fun. And they aee announcing stadium ans facilities upgrades soon.
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Yep. He was 26 with 17 career at bats. Rangers were desperate for right handed hitters and hey were willing to give him lots of playing time on a 102 loss team. 29 teams including the Brewers could have claimed him but didn't.
I told you the other day that Katie and Derrick are good at their jobs. I'm not surprised Derrick has it here.
https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1716651426280050814?t=5tCqDOzC7p7DNjaJVzQzzQ&s=19
Sounds a lot like the Nelson Cruz situation.
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Sounds a lot like the Nelson Cruz situation.
Lucky for him, he found an organization that can develop talent
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Go to some college games near you. They don't have the set up yet as some other teams in their league, but they'll host 5 or 6 weekends of top 25 ball. College baseball is a lot of fun. And they aee announcing stadium ans facilities upgrades soon.
Yup that is definitely on the agenda. Kind of just lost track with a lot of traveling and wedding planning but SEC baseball is incredible and looking forward to getting to some games next season.
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Yup that is definitely on the agenda. Kind of just lost track with a lot of traveling and wedding planning but SEC baseball is incredible and looking forward to getting to some games next season.
It's unusually windy at their stadium. They are looking to improve that. Dave Matter would be good to go to for local tips. He used to be a sports beat writer, and now he's a Communications Asst AD there. Good guy. There are a few other names too.
New.coach will need.a.little time but he and his staff can recruit. And he has a good relationship with former players and staff like Scherzer, Kinsler, etc...
Some of those home series will include top 5 level teams.
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Phillies were also known as the Blue Jays from 1944-45. They had two nicknames those years
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Ah, porn tweet liker Ted Cruz is at the game. His teams lose important games he attends. The Drake of America
8.5 out of 10
Shtick and politics, just what the MLB thread needed during down time when nobody’s paying attention!
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Good back and forth game so far. Pretty wild this is Philly’s first game 7 ever.
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Good back and forth game so far. Pretty wild this is Philly’s first game 7 ever.
Can feel the tension building in the stands. That K to end the 4th when the Phillies had the bases loaded looms large
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Absolutely can’t walk the 9th hitter and leadoff hitter back to back up 2 runs in the 7th inning of game 7.
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Absolutely can’t walk the 9th hitter and leadoff hitter back to back up 2 runs in the 7th inning of game 7.
Agonizing for Phillies fans. Had the dudes at the plate they wanted
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Agonizing for Phillies fans. Had the dudes at the plate they wanted
Turner looks lost at the plate right now, not as bad as Castellanos, though
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Turner back to 1st half Turner at the wrong time.
Awful AB with Harper looming. Cant swing at blatant balls. Load the bases for your star.
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In the Brewers 6 Playoff appearances as a franchise, the team that eliminated them has gone on to win the WS 5 times. Should’ve bet the DBacks right after game 2.
Bump.
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In late May, I placed a futures bet on Rangers/Dbacks World Series at +18400. Unfortunately I didn’t put a lot on it.
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In late May, I placed a futures bet on Rangers/Dbacks World Series at +18400. Unfortunately I didn’t put a lot on it.
That's living up to your handle and I love it. Congrats regardless of how little you put on it, that's nuts.
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In late May, I placed a futures bet on Rangers/Dbacks World Series at +18400. Unfortunately I didn’t put a lot on it.
Awesome, Dish. Back in the day, Leonard “Lenny” Bernstein (owner of Lenny’s Tap and my favorite mentor while at MU) bet $100 on the Mets to win the World Series before the season began in 1969. I think I remember he got 100 - 1 odds. Fun when a long shot delivers!
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Phillies lived by the HR and died by the HR. 39 runs in their first 6 home playoff games, 3 in the last two. 2-17 with RISP and left 17 men on base. Brewers fans nod knowingly
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Rangers/Diamondbacks?
Who cares?
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Still going to watch.
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Still going to watch.
Who cares is a fair question for the casual sports fan but I admit, this series intrigues me quite a bit and I’ll be watching.
Not much of a DBacks fan but do like how they play and Carroll looks like a guy that will be a star
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In late May, I placed a futures bet on Rangers/Dbacks World Series at +18400. Unfortunately I didn’t put a lot on it.
So what, only 10K?
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Counsell interviewing with the Mets. I still feel this is a play to get more money from Milwaukee, but definitely seems like there’s smoke.
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Counsell interviewing with the Mets. I still feel this is a play to get more money from Milwaukee, but definitely seems like there’s smoke.
He gowne, aina?
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Rangers/Diamondbacks?
Who cares?
Probably people in the 4th and 10th largest metro areas in the nation.
It may not have the glamour of a Cardinals-Royals series, but I'm guessing the TV networks don't mind.
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Probably people in the 4th and 10th largest metro areas in the nation.
It may not have the glamour of a Cardinals-Royals Yankees-Mets series, but I'm guessing the TV networks don't mind.
There!
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Probably people in the 4th and 10th largest metro areas in the nation.
It may not have the glamour of a Cardinals-Royals series, but I'm guessing the TV networks don't mind.
Ardolis Garcia celebrating his home runs is not the classy way to play. His former team was right to jettison him for his disrespect.
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Probably people in the 4th and 10th largest metro areas in the nation.
It may not have the glamour of a Cardinals-Royals series, but I'm guessing the TV networks don't mind.
I wish dgies well with everything he enjoys. But to understand dgies’ posts is to know that he is all things 1960’s.
Cardinals-Royals? A more effective reference would have been Cardinals-Tigers, Cardinals-Red Sox, Cardinals-Yankees. He picked a good decade to be a fan.
Wait until he finds out about the other popular sports there. The MLS Soccer team has a wait list of over 100,000 for season tickets. I know he was surprised of the size of the fan base of their hockey team (est 1967). And, their recent NFL team had 95 consecutive regular season sell outs when they arrived. But those popular things weren’t there in the 1960’s, and, I believe, dgies has said he has never lived there anyway, which is going to limit his view and experience there a bit.
Texas (est 1972) and Arizona (est 1998) might be a bit too recent and lesser known for him. But good for them for making the WS.
There’s room for many types of fans. They can always ask Taylor Swift to go to a game to attract some casual fans.
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He gowne, aina?
Waitin' on collectin' my caramel apples, aina?
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Pretty exciting first WS game, a’ina? García on a tear.
Cuban defector hits game winning HR off of a pitcher named Castro. Sweet.
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Have a postseason, Adolis Garcia.
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Have a postseason, Adolis Garcia.
https://x.com/bestfansstlouis/status/1718119061802926411?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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So what, only 10K?
Well, it is $83K and change in today's dollars.
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Eovaldi = Houdini.
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But Gallen is turning into a bigger story.
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But Gallen is turning into a bigger story.
Yeah, he has a no-hitter through 5
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Rico jinx.
Eovaldi dodged more bullets than Neo.
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Rico jinx.
Eovaldi dodged more bullets than Neo.
He choked
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Saw that coming.
Dbacks blow no exaggeration 15 chances.
Rangers being no hit through 6 go hit, hit, hit to score first.
Zona better get it going fast or baseball season is over.
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Saw that coming.
Dbacks blow no exaggeration 15 chances.
Rangers being no hit through 6 go hit, hit, hit to score first.
Zona better get it going fast or baseball season is over.
Phase 1 complete.
Runners on corners no outs and Dbacks didnt allow another run.
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Enjoy the lovely parting gifts, D-Backs.
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Bochy is the best manager in the game.
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Bochy is the best manager in the game.
the guy seems to know a thing or two about baseball
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Get in, get hot.
Both teams recently stunk and both teams had lousy stretches this past season. Prior to the playoffs, how many players from either team could the casual fan name? It was fun and Arizona certainly had their chances in game 5. But, Texas stayed hot. Kudos.
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Brewers now the oldest franchise to never win it all.
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Dump a ton of money on whatever team Will Smith is playing for next year. 3 straight WS titles.
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Brewers now the oldest franchise to never win it all.
Shockin', aina?
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Shockin', aina?
Given the success between ‘78-‘83 and the opportunity between ‘87-92, yes.
The previous owner mismanaged the club for a decade after that but the current ownership has put the team in position in 2008 and 2011 and again every year since 2017. Even the rebuild years between ‘15 and ‘17 were pretty competitive
I’m sure Rangers fans would agree the ‘10 and ‘11 teams were superior to the ‘23 team. Keep taking bites at the apple
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From Rick Wilson on Threads:
“The Arizona Diamondbacks can still win the World Series if Mike Pence has the courage to do the right thing.”
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From Rick Wilson on Threads:
“The Arizona Diamondbacks can still win the World Series if Mike Pence has the courage to do the right thing.”
Original.
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Original.
I hadn't heard it before used in a context other than when it was originally used. I guess you had. Congrats!
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I would’ve liked to keep Canha around next season.
Not sure if he was worth the option price though. Brewers need hitters bad.
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I would’ve liked to keep Canha around next season.
Eh, I think he was a DFA candidate. Would’ve been a good platoon type, though, and can play multiple places
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Least watched World Series ever? Didn't realize viewership was that low until I heard this stat on the radio. Is baseball really that unimportant in American life now?
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Least watched World Series ever? Didn't realize viewership was that low until I heard this stat on the radio. Is baseball really that unimportant in American life now?
I'd have only been surprised if the ratings had been decent.
Two ballclubs that only the fans of the teams care even remotely about. Not only do they have relatively few fans, but who would tune in because they "hate" the Rangers or D-Backs? Nobody.
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Hate to say it because I like Canha but that’s a good bit of business by Arnold.
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Least watched World Series ever? Didn't realize viewership was that low until I heard this stat on the radio. Is baseball really that unimportant in American life now?
The localization of baseball television contracts means that most fans really only care about their team. It just isn’t a national sport. And it doesn’t have the NBA’s younger demographic either.
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Pinchin' pennies ya pay Craig, aina?
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Detroit has an abundance of young, left handed hitting outfielders. With Cabrera retiring, the only position player on the roster with more than a couple of years of experience is Baez. Which is a whole different problem. The Tigers also have a lack of consistent right handed power.
May be a one year rental. Checks the right boxes. Experienced, professional, right handed hitter.
But this also tells me that the Detroit brass are not convinced a couple of their hot minor leaguers are ready.
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Brewers now the oldest franchise to never win it all.
Padres have one year on the Brewers. They started same year as Seattle Pilots, 1969, who became the Brewers a year later.
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Padres have one year on the Brewers. They started same year as Seattle Pilots, 1969, who became the Brewers a year later.
Same franchise despite the move. ;D
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Uhh what? https://x.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1721590822720966998?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg (https://x.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1721590822720966998?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg)
Per Rosiak the Brewers had an offer on the table that would make Counsell the highest paid manager in MLB for some time now.
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Uhh what? https://x.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1721590822720966998?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg (https://x.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1721590822720966998?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg)
Per Rosiak the Brewers had an offer on the table that would make Counsell the highest paid manager in MLB for some time now.
That’s odd. I’m not sure I would have predicted that.
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Uhh what? https://x.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1721590822720966998?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg (https://x.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1721590822720966998?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg)
Guessing Detroit Tigers. New GM. Hinch has been a disappointment. Close to home and his son at Michigan.
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Cubs per Rosenthal, this is very sad.
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I think this is real. Wow. I’m honestly shocked.
https://x.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1721595011270365220?s=20
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I think this is real. Wow. I’m honestly shocked.
https://x.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1721595011270365220?s=20
Gross
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Uhh what? https://x.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1721590822720966998?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg (https://x.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1721590822720966998?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg)
Per Rosiak the Brewers had an offer on the table that would make Counsell the highest paid manager in MLB for some time now.
Then to hell with him
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Then to hell with him
+1
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Clearly didn't think he could win a WS here.
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Clearly didn't think he could win a WS here.
Yep. And/or maybe just wants a change.
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0%.
100%
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Looks like I'm going to need an address to send 4elder some apples. Though I doubt he would have predicted the Cubs... but that's how the cookie crumbles when you take the field.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/04/bf/5c/04bf5ca0a9a81de9667508187469b0a2.gif)
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I guess Cubbie brass weren't as in love with "Rossie" as they repeatedly claimed.
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Cubs giving him 5 years, $40 million. That's a lot.
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Considering how he managed in the wild card round, a whole lot makes sense now. Good luck, Greg
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Cubs giving him 5 years, $40 million. That's a lot.
From biblical losses only a couple years ago to this? That's inspiring fiscal recovery for ole Ricketts
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From years of being told by sabermetrics fashionistas that managers don’t matter to one getting $9 million per year. Huh, interesting.
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From years of being told by sabermetrics fashionistas that managers don’t matter to one getting $9 million per year. Huh, interesting.
It is going to be interesting to see the direction they go. Will it be a younger or more analytically driven choice, or a retread?
This might be sour grapes, but it will be interesting to see how good Counsell is, or if he benefitted from having a top pitching staff in a weak division.
I feel his bullpen management got less innovative once Hader refused to pitch outside the 9th and the rosters didn’t expand as much in September.
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It is going to be interesting to see the direction they go. Will it be a younger or more analytically driven choice, or a retread?
This might be sour grapes, but it will be interesting to see how good Counsell is, or if he benefitted from having a top pitching staff in a weak division.
I feel his bullpen management got less innovative once Hader refused to pitch outside the 9th and the rosters didn’t expand as much in September.
Meanwhile, Milwaukee is going to suck for a decade.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/3o7WTqo27pLRYxRtg4/giphy.webp)
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Guessing Detroit Tigers. New GM. Hinch has been a disappointment. Close to home and his son at Michigan.
Hinch and Harris are lockstep and the team is improving.
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From years of being told by sabermetrics fashionistas that managers don’t matter to one getting $9 million per year. Huh, interesting.
Yes. And to complete that thought, I wonder who and how much Antanasio will pay his replacement. It won't be anywhere near $9 million.
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Meanwhile, Milwaukee is going to suck for a decade.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/3o7WTqo27pLRYxRtg4/giphy.webp)
Maybe. Lot of talent in the system. Bigger problem will be no one trusts the owner. He’s boned with Brewers fans and I can’t say I blame them. I’m a realistic sports fan and realistic baseball fan. There’s no putting lipstick on this pig, however.
I feel bad for the front office in all of this. They’ve figured out a way to keep them competitive and not be Cincinnati or Pittsburgh for a long time and now they’ll have to figure this out with a fan base wanting to run the owner out of town.
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Meanwhile, Milwaukee is going to suck for a decade.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/3o7WTqo27pLRYxRtg4/giphy.webp)
I agree the future looks a lot more uncertain. I think the Brewers can still have success. They have a strong farm system. If they hit on the Burnes trade and Yelich continues to play like his Miami version of himself, I think they could still be competitive.
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Not playing Brian Anderson for weeks on end felt like a tug of war between CC and the front office. Never felt like CC was returning after the way that played out.
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Maybe. Lot of talent in the system. Bigger problem will be no one trusts the owner. He’s boned with Brewers fans and I can’t say I blame them. I’m a realistic sports fan and realistic baseball fan. There’s no putting lipstick on this pig, however.
I feel bad for the front office in all of this. They’ve figured out a way to keep them competitive and not be Cincinnati or Pittsburgh for a long time and now they’ll have to figure this out with a fan base wanting to run the owner out of town.
More likely the owner runs the team outta town, aina?
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Yes. And to complete that thought, I wonder who and how much Antanasio will pay his replacement. It won't be anywhere near $9 million.
I’d have given Pat Murphy the job but I assume he’ll follow Counsell unless he really wants to manage. I’d go get Mike Shildt out of San Diego.
Is a manager worth $8 million? I have my doubts. Joe Torre went to LA and the Yankees won a title a year after he left.
I’m seeing the argument the market has reset and it has, but I’m not sure that means much. I’ve seen a lot of dumb money spent in college sports on coaches and watched Scott Drew and Danny Hurley win titles
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More likely the owner runs the team outta town, aina?
Well, I’d have said no way but he’s put himself between a rock and a hard place now. I don’t think the state or city lets them leave and it’s more likely he sells now
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Well, I’d have said no way but he’s put himself between a rock and a hard place now. I don’t think the state or city lets them leave and it’s more likely he sells now
I dunno man, its the State of Wisconsin, we are prone to being really bad at writing contracts.
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I dunno man, its the State of Wisconsin, we are prone to being really bad at writing contracts.
Name one!
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Disappointing news.
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Name one!
👀
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From years of being told by sabermetrics fashionistas that managers don’t matter to one getting $9 million per year. Huh, interesting.
Bochy and Counsel are the best at combining old and new.
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My vote's for Front Row Amy
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Yes. And to complete that thought, I wonder who and how much Antanasio will pay his replacement. It won't be anywhere near $9 million.
Rossie's available!
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As a Cubs fan I'm both shocked by and very happy with this news. I was not a Ross fan...some of the criticisms were fair and some were over the top. But this is a big upgrade.
I also imagine it might portend an aggressive offseason for the Cubs front office.
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Bochy and Counsel are the best at combining old and new.
I don’t think that’s completely wrong. Bochy got helped when the bullpen stopped imploding, though
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My vote's for Front Row Amy
Has she got anything that can inspire the boys?
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David Ross is available.
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Will post my Counsell jersey burning a bit later.
Kidding of course- get your bag, but I hope this indirectly complicates the passage of the Brewers stadium bill until Mark shows he wants to win at baseball instead of soccer.
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Will post my Counsell jersey burning a bit later.
Kidding of course- get your bag, but I hope this indirectly complicates the passage of the Brewers stadium bill until Mark shows he wants to win at baseball instead of soccer.
Hard to keep the guy when the highest bidder comes in 45% higher than what you were willing to pay.
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Hard to keep the guy when the highest bidder comes in 45% higher than what you were willing to pay.
Willingness to pay is what has kept the Brewers as an early playoff exit since they struck gold in 2018. But hey they have some extra money to low ball free agents with
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Surprised at myself, but I'm glad the Brewers aren't paying CC $8M per year.
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Surprised at myself, but I'm glad the Brewers aren't paying CC $8M per year.
Not my money!
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Not sure if we'll find out, but I would love to know if the Brewers had a chance to match. I'm leaning no.
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Not sure if we'll find out, but I would love to know if the Brewers had a chance to match. I'm leaning no.
I think setting the market mattered and I also think there was dysentery in the ranks.
I said after the playoff debacle, sometimes a new voice is good and a new locale is good for the skipper. Don’t think him and the new front office were on the same page.
Also, the fact it’s the Cubs makes this exponentially a bigger problem for the club. The Mets would have been an issue, too, but the Cubs is another level.
Saw some comparing this to the Dongslinger joining the Vikings. Hopefully Craig doesn’t even bilk Wisconsin taxpayers out of millions and send dong shots to unwilling females.
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I think setting the market mattered and I also think there was dysentery in the ranks.
I said after the playoff debacle, sometimes a new voice is good and a new locale is good for the skipper. Don’t think him and the new front office were on the same page.
Also, the fact it’s the Cubs makes this exponentially a bigger problem for the club. The Mets would have been an issue, too, but the Cubs is another level.
Saw some comparing this to the Dongslinger joining the Vikings. Hopefully Craig doesn’t even bilk Wisconsin taxpayers out of millions and send dong shots to unwilling females.
No one associated with the brewers has sent dongs anywhere the last 3 years
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No one associated with the brewers has sent dongs anywhere the last 3 years
Just flaccid grounders to second.
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No one associated with the brewers has sent dongs anywhere the last 3 years
Ha! So true.
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Tony La Russa knows the division and is just a phone call away. If the owner wants a yes man with a championship pedigree large enough to coax fans there to pay the utility bills.
Not to make this about me but GOD I F***ING HATE JERRY REINSDORF
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Blessing in disguise. Bring Yadi in as a player manager. Pujols to be the PED consultant.
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Tony La Russa knows the division and is just a phone call away. If the owner wants a yes man with a championship pedigree large enough to coax fans there to pay the utility bills.
Not to make this about me but GOD I F***ING HATE JERRY REINSDORF
Plus DUIs are viewed much more favorably up north
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Blessing in disguise. Bring Yadi in as a player manager. Pujols to be the PED consultant.
Does that include Jake Arrieta as the pitching coach reporting to Albert then?
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Does that include Jake Arrieta as the pitching coach reporting to Albert then?
He's the supplier.
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I am choosing to look at the positives - I have much greater empathy and understanding of how the Cardinals fans feel.
The anger at leadership and the system Brewers fans are grappling with is exactly what Cardinals fans felt on January 6.
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You gotta at least call Billy Donovan.
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Considering how he managed in the wild card round, a whole lot makes sense now. Good luck, Greg
1919 part II?
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1919 part II?
I’d love to know the dynamics between the staff and front office and putting Winker on that roster. Using Winker in important spots twice seemed odd and I have jokingly said at the games I wonder if Counsell is sticking it to the front office using him in those spots.
Of course, his hands got tied when Ace of Aces, Corbin Burnes wet his pants and Woodruff got hurt
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I am choosing to look at the positives - I have much greater empathy and understanding of how the Cardinals fans feel.
The anger at leadership and the system Brewers fans are grappling with is exactly what Cardinals fans felt on January 6.
but what about chicago
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but what about chicago
Craig is used to living in whitewashed areas of dangerous cities
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This thread to me makes it seem a little more than money. Definitely Mark saving some face, but if Craig was kind of checked out from September on, that’s not the best look.
https://x.com/AdamMcCalvy/status/1721663538765201770?s=20
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This thread to me makes it seem a little more than money. Definitely Mark saving some face, but if Craig was kind of checked out from September on, that’s not the best look.
https://x.com/AdamMcCalvy/status/1721663538765201770?s=20
Yes. It was about a unnatural carnal knowledgeton of money, and an owner not willing to fork over enough of it to optimize what should have been a legitimate 5 year contention window
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This thread to me makes it seem a little more than money. Definitely Mark saving some face, but if Craig was kind of checked out from September on, that’s not the best look.
https://x.com/AdamMcCalvy/status/1721663538765201770?s=20
Mark on some serious copium.
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Mark on some serious copium.
Read the room, Mark. I
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Read the room, Mark. I
I don’t think he’s wrong about bridges being burned going to the cubs.
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I don’t think he’s wrong about bridges being burned going to the cubs.
What if I told you that Craig doesn't need those bridges?
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I don’t think he’s wrong about bridges being burned going to the cubs.
Doesn’t matter.
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No one associated with the brewers has sent dongs anywhere the last 3 years
I thought we were all being sent a dong when I watched Jesse Wanker walk to the plate to pinch hit in the bottom of the 8th of game 1, with the game still very winnable at that point. :(
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I’m probably too invested in the drama of it all, but pretty surprised we are about 24 hours from the news getting out and Counsell hasn’t made a statement.
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What should he say?
So long and thanks for all da fish?
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I’m probably too invested in the drama of it all, but pretty surprised we are about 24 hours from the news getting out and Counsell hasn’t made a statement.
His agent did. He’ll do the professional thank you and how hard a decision it was and that’ll be the end of it
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Maybe heel take out a full page add on Scoop tankin' all da wonderful posters heer fore der support, aina?
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You got your wish. Be happy.
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Oh, did Mark sell, hey?
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Mark on some serious copium.
"We're all here today because we lost Craig. But I've reflected on this. You know, Craig has lost us and he's lost our community. It's a really special place to be."
That's just a idiotic, pandering thing to say. His contract was up and he went to another team for a boatload more money. Wish him luck. Say you believe in your organization. Move on.
"Craig lost us..." GMAFB. He owes you and the organization nothing.
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You got your wish. Be happy.
He wants Attanasio to sell to one of the local Milwaukee billionaires.
What’ll happen is, Mark will sell to an outsider and 4elder won’t like his politics or where’s he or she is from or how they run the organization. If we’ve learned one thing through the years, 4elder is happiest complaining about teams he follows. Wait until Shaka hits his first rough patch.
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How about this. Counsell, over the last six months, considering all the possibilities:
" I'm 53 years old. All the smart baseball people tell me I'm one of the top managers in the game. I wonder what it's like to work for an owner who has virtually an unlimited supply of money and a willingness to spend it on me. I wonder how many World Series I can win if my owner has the money to pursue the free agents I want and the other players I need to construct my team. My current contract is up in 2023 and I owe it to myself and to my family to find out."
It might not be any more than that. He's taken the Brewers to what, 5 playoffs in 9 years. Maybe he's grown weary of trying to pull rabbits out of a hat with a patchwork roster of promising young players and various journeymen and retreads hitting .220.
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How about this. Counsell, over the last six months, considering all the possibilities:
" I'm 53 years old. All the smart baseball people tell me I'm one of the top managers in the game. I wonder what it's like to work for an owner who has virtually an unlimited supply of money and a willingness to spend it on me. I wonder how many World Series I can win if my owner has the money to pursue the free agents I want and the other players I need to construct my team. My current contract is up in 2023 and I owe it to myself and to my family to find out."
It might not be any more than that. He's taken the Brewers to what, 5 playoffs in 9 years. Maybe he's grown weary of trying to pull rabbits out of a hat with a patchwork roster of promising young players and various journeymen and retreads hitting .220.
It's precisely that.
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It's the Cubs. It's the CUBS!!!!
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It's precisely that.
Exactly. So why, until it (logically) happened why did you opine that there was 0% chance he was leaving?
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It's precisely that.
Yep. Oh, and $40M, too.
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Exactly. So why, until it (logically) happened why did you opine that there was 0% chance he was leaving?
Because that is how I felt at the time. I'm sure you've never been wrong in your life, Lenny, have you?
No need to answer. Being a man is admitting when you are wrong, which is why I stood behind my comment and wagered on it. I was wrong and I paid my donk tax.
Anything else interesting to add?
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The Angels hire 71 year old Ron Washington?
I guess...
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Because that is how I felt at the time. I'm sure you've never been wrong in your life, Lenny, have you?
No need to answer. Being a man is admitting when you are wrong, which is why I stood behind my comment and wagered on it. I was wrong and I paid my donk tax.
Anything else interesting to add?
Of course I’ve been wrong. I just found it puzzling that before he left you felt there was 0% chance of it happening and after he left you said he made the logical move. Why would there ever be 0% chance of a smart guy like Counsell doing something logical?
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Of course I’ve been wrong. I just found it puzzling that before he left you felt there was 0% chance of it happening and after he left you said he made the logical move. Why would there ever be 0% chance of a smart guy like Counsell doing something logical?
Guess you should have wagered too. But you didn't. Nor did you offer your opinion at the time.
Additionally, my original comment was that he'd be fired. I had forgotten his contract was up, but since I'm not a jag off I took the wager.
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Per the Athletic, Brewers open to trading everyone on the roster. Gonna be a ticket to rebuild city.
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Per the Athletic, Brewers open to trading everyone on the roster. Gonna be a ticket to rebuild city.
#specialcommunity
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A sucky year for White Sox fans just got much suckier.
https://www.dailyherald.com/sports/20231109/benetti-bolts-white-sox-joins-tigers-broadcast-booth
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Per the Athletic, Brewers open to trading everyone on the roster. Gonna be a ticket to rebuild city.
I’m good with this. Had Woodruff not gotten injured, I’d have been open to trading Burnes for MLB ready sluggers and running with Woody as the ace.
You already have plenty of good middle infielders and outfielders in the system and are set at catcher for 2-3 years, though with Quero knocking, a return on Contreras should be good enough that you can move him.
I’d move Burnes and Adames for sure and listen on Williams. It won’t be popular but it’ll be right. Sign a few bounce-back candidates and see what happens
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I’d move Burnes and Adames for sure and listen on Williams. It won’t be popular but it’ll be right. Sign a few bounce-back candidates and see what happens
Yep. Can only bite at the apple so long, and they've had a longer than usual window of contention for a small market team.
Good news is that it shouldn't be a long process. Some good young talent on the way.
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"We will have a manager," aina?
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Yep. Can only bite at the apple so long, and they've had a longer than usual window of contention for a small market team.
Good news is that it shouldn't be a long process. Some good young talent on the way.
Correct. I always forget about Quero, probably because of how good Contreras was. I doubt they move Contreras, but I’d curious what kind of package they could get for him today
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A sucky year for White Sox fans just got much suckier.
https://www.dailyherald.com/sports/20231109/benetti-bolts-white-sox-joins-tigers-broadcast-booth
This was sadly inevitable. When Jason was going through an “interesting” contract renegotiation with the Sox last offseason, I was at the same time switching jobs myself. We talked about our respective situations and he told me how the Sox were looking to eff him over in multiple negotiating points (without getting too much in the weeds).
I’m supposed to have dinner with him towards the holidays, and even knowing this was going to happen either now or next year, still unbelievably bummed by this news.
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Per the Athletic, Brewers open to trading everyone on the roster. Gonna be a ticket to rebuild city.
I don't follow the Brewers very closely, but maybe this is the right thing to do.
Still, from afar, it seems really weird that a team that just won its division BY NINE GAMES would go into full-rebuild mode.
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I don't follow the Brewers very closely, but maybe this is the right thing to do.
Still, from afar, it seems really weird that a team that just won its division BY NINE GAMES would go into full-rebuild mode.
Not necessarily. You have two commodities entering their final arbitration year. Adames isn’t a piece they have to keep or should overpay to keep.
Burnes is a different animal because he’s a pitcher but giving him a massive deal is a recipe for disaster, imo. He isn’t Verlander or Scherzer. He’s 29 and going to get a massive deal somewhere and best of luck to him and the team that sign him.
If Woodruff was healthy for 2024, I’d see a case to run it back one more time but with his injury, they can reset and given the system, a rebuild doesn’t have to be Pirates-like but similar to 2015-17 Brewers where they were contending a year and a half into a full reset
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This was sadly inevitable. When Jason was going through an “interesting” contract renegotiation with the Sox last offseason, I was at the same time switching jobs myself. We talked about our respective situations and he told me how the Sox were looking to eff him over in multiple negotiating points (without getting too much in the weeds).
I’m supposed to have dinner with him towards the holidays, and even knowing this was going to happen either now or next year, still unbelievably bummed by this news.
I thought the White Sox were supposed to be an organization that emphasizes loyalty - even when it’s to their detriment. The only positive of their horrible product last year was Jason and they let him go - to Detroit?? Really? What a sh!t show.
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Not necessarily. You have two commodities entering their final arbitration year. Adames isn’t a piece they have to keep or should overpay to keep.
Burnes is a different animal because he’s a pitcher but giving him a massive deal is a recipe for disaster, imo. He isn’t Verlander or Scherzer. He’s 29 and going to get a massive deal somewhere and best of luck to him and the team that sign him.
If Woodruff was healthy for 2024, I’d see a case to run it back one more time but with his injury, they can reset and given the system, a rebuild doesn’t have to be Pirates-like but similar to 2015-17 Brewers where they were contending a year and a half into a full reset
That seems reasonable, Unk, and you obviously follow the organization far more closely than I do. I hope it works out for my Brewer-fan friends.
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That seems reasonable, Unk, and you obviously follow the organization far more closely than I do. I hope it works out for my Brewer-fan friends.
It won't.
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This was sadly inevitable. When Jason was going through an “interesting” contract renegotiation with the Sox last offseason, I was at the same time switching jobs myself. We talked about our respective situations and he told me how the Sox were looking to eff him over in multiple negotiating points (without getting too much in the weeds).
I’m supposed to have dinner with him towards the holidays, and even knowing this was going to happen either now or next year, still unbelievably bummed by this news.
Thanks for the insight. This just smells bad. Reinsdorf seems ready to sell or move the team and is eliminating payroll at all levels. He is making his books look as good as possible. The Nashville White Sox may be a reality soon. What a garbage owner. He has one championship that he produced since the 80s. He lucked into Jordan. Any schmuck could have built an empire around him. Kudos to him for not trading him. Which I’m sure he thought about. Otherwise his legacy is nothing. What a shame. The only worse owners in all of sports are the McCaskeys.
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Winning the NL Central isn't the hardest thing in the world to do. The division stinks. Brewers should sell Burnes and Adames for sure. If you can get value back to get off Yeli's contract you should do that too.
Shift the timeline to when Churio is ready to be the feature player on your roster.
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I don't follow the Brewers very closely, but maybe this is the right thing to do.
Still, from afar, it seems really weird that a team that just won its division BY NINE GAMES would go into full-rebuild mode.
The Cubs blew up the remnants of their WS team the year after they won the division in 2020. If you’re not absolutely in a position to win in the next 2-3 years, paying big bucks to pending FAs isn’t necessarily prudent. And that’s what it feels like with the Brewers.
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The Cubs blew up the remnants of their WS team the year after they won the division in 2020. If you’re not absolutely in a position to win in the next 2-3 years, paying big bucks to pending FAs isn’t necessarily prudent. And that’s what it feels like with the Brewers.
Losing Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo was a short-term loss for a long-term gain and that time is now. They were right to bid them adieu, too
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The Cubs blew up the remnants of their WS team the year after they won the division in 2020. If you’re not absolutely in a position to win in the next 2-3 years, paying big bucks to pending FAs isn’t necessarily prudent. And that’s what it feels like with the Brewers.
Fair point.
Winning the NL Central isn't the hardest thing in the world to do. The division stinks. Brewers should sell Burnes and Adames for sure. If you can get value back to get off Yeli's contract you should do that too.
Being an NL wild-card team also isn't the hardest thing in the world to do. Aside from the top few teams, the league stinks. The Diamondbacks did it even though they won only 84 games. And then they got to the World Series.
But yes, point taken. I don't like tanking, but I realize it's necessary sometimes, especially for smaller-market teams.
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I think the Tigers' brass thinks that if the young pitchers stay healthy, and one of the minor league hitters can play second and hit at the major league level, that Detroit can contend for the AL central/wild card.
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Peddle their collective asses, hey?
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Thanks for the insight. This just smells bad. Reinsdorf seems ready to sell or move the team and is eliminating payroll at all levels. He is making his books look as good as possible. The Nashville White Sox may be a reality soon. What a garbage owner. He has one championship that he produced since the 80s. He lucked into Jordan. Any schmuck could have built an empire around him. Kudos to him for not trading him. Which I’m sure he thought about. Otherwise his legacy is nothing. What a shame. The only worse owners in all of sports are the McCaskeys.
Can't imagine Benetti's contract would move the needle for the White Sox's valuation. Are buyers of pro sports franchises even really doing a true valuation? Outside of big ticket items like TV contracts and stadiums, seems like it all just comes down to whatever someone is willing to pay.
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Can't imagine Benetti's contract would move the needle for the White Sox's valuation. Are buyers of pro sports franchises even really doing a true valuation? Outside of big ticket items like TV contracts and stadiums, seems like it all just comes down to whatever someone is willing to pay.
I don’t think it has to do with valuation but more burning a bridge with a best of breed broadcaster (someone that enhances the fan experience/enjoyment) and making moves off the field that sour your fans to you. The kind of thing you don’t give a damn about if you intend to sell in the near future
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Reinsdorf has been doing stuff to piss off White Sox and Bulls fans for decades.
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I don’t think it has to do with valuation but more burning a bridge with a best of breed broadcaster (someone that enhances the fan experience/enjoyment) and making moves off the field that sour your fans to you. The kind of thing you don’t give a damn about if you intend to sell in the near future
This
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I don’t know if I’ve shared this story on here before (probably at some point I did).
When I worked for the Bulls (2000), I was in season ticket sales, my first job out of MU. This isn’t meant to sound like a humble brag, but the Bulls would receive hundreds of resumes weekly, from college seniors seeking jobs (Jordan era was over, but the Bulls brand was still very strong). I felt unbelievably lucky that I aced my interview and got hired. I was incredibly excited to get my dream job working in sports in Chicago.
Fast forward a couple months in, and I was miserable, I hated it. I still had plenty of friends in Milwaukee, and one July Friday, I was heading up there for the weekend. This is pre-cell phones, so I called my buddy Mark who was still living on campus, calling from my office line. We talked for 10 minutes at most. The Bulls wouldn’t allow us internet access (yes, you read that right), so I had to make sure I knew where we were meeting up in Milwaukee and needed verbal directions.
Late the next week, I got an invoice from Reinsdorf’s Bulls secretary for $6.47, for “long distance phone calls to 414 area code”. I literally had to cut a check to the Bulls for $6.47. As an employer, I guess they had every right to do it of course, but it felt so petty. And the Bulls definitely had STH’s in Southeastern Wisconsin.
I ended up leaving a few months later, and my dream job ended up being (for me), a nightmare. Ironically, especially as young as I was, it was the best thing to happen for me in my career.
Just thought I’d share some insight into my experience working for a Reinsdorf organization.
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Just thought I’d share some insight into my experience working for a Reinsdorf organization.
Awful but not all together shocking as bad as that seems.
When I was still at Pepsico, I was working on Tropicana. As I got a bit more embedded with the brand teams, they thought it would be good for me to spend some time with the Single Serve sales unit. While all the major grocery chains or big box stores had sales reps that handled the big volume purchases, places like convenience stores/gas stations, corner stores, medical facilities/offices with cafeterias, etc... had a more local sales team which were guys with refrigerated trucks that had territories they covered and delivered/upsold to, all ranges of Pepsico products including sodas, Gatorade, and juices (instead of just one segment like the bigger retailer sales teams). I went on a couple daily routes with different guys but went out twice with a younger guy I got along great with.
One of his accounts, at the time, was the White Sox. He said they were a penny pinching NIGHTMARE. If a juice spoiled before the date, they demanded not only a replacement, but additional credits. If he was out, or short of something, which was not uncommon at all for some of the products, they demanded compensation. Its been 8-9 years, but he had a list of 5-6 things that were very out of the ordinary, but they were a huge account and obviously the ballpark account was even bigger so you didn't want to rock the boat. And since his role was sort of a contractor/wholesaler element, he'd often end up paying out of pocket for some of their BS. It was/is incredibly cultural.
And similar to your situation, it was just petty. Nothing they would complain or fight him about did ANYTHING to meaningfully move the needle for their employees or staff, it was just to win some self initiated battle of nickel and diming.
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Wags - What’s funny about your story is I meant Reinsdorf in person one time. The Bulls office at United Center had a small break area that had a fridge always stocked with free Coke products.
The United Center had just switched over from Coke products to Pepsi products (this is probably July or August 2000). One of my co-workers and I went into the break room one afternoon, and Reinsdorf is bent down (he’s very short in person) going through the fridge for something. He turns to us and asks “do you guys know where I can get a Diet Coke?”. My co-worker and I were surprised and we said “Pepsi products have only been in here the last week, but there’s still a Coke vending machine by the visitors locker room downstairs”. Reinsdorf says “I better get that removed or the Pepsi people will have my ass.”
It was gone the next day.
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Brewers take the most affordable option and promote Pat Murphy.
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Brewers take the most affordable option and promote Pat Murphy.
I think this means there is a very high likelihood of several trades for prospects.
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Rickie Weeks at bench coach will be interesting. It sounds like he could be a future manager.
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Brewers officially in “Trust The Process” mode?
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Wags - What’s funny about your story is I meant Reinsdorf in person one time. The Bulls office at United Center had a small break area that had a fridge always stocked with free Coke products.
The United Center had just switched over from Coke products to Pepsi products (this is probably July or August 2000). One of my co-workers and I went into the break room one afternoon, and Reinsdorf is bent down (he’s very short in person) going through the fridge for something. He turns to us and asks “do you guys know where I can get a Diet Coke?”. My co-worker and I were surprised and we said “Pepsi products have only been in here the last week, but there’s still a Coke vending machine by the visitors locker room downstairs”. Reinsdorf says “I better get that removed or the Pepsi people will have my ass.”
It was gone the next day.
love your stories dish! epsecially the one about how the (white sox?) treated your family while your son was ill...hope things are going well for him and the family!
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I think this means there is a very high likelihood of several trades for prospects.
Yup. And the move to put Weeks on the bench almost assuredly means he takes over like Counsell did from Roenicke.
Brewers fans will bitch about Murphy getting promoted but whoever they hired would have lead to bitching. They could hire Bruch Bochy and people would complain
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Yup. And the move to put Weeks on the bench almost assuredly means he takes over like Counsell did from Roenicke.
Brewers fans will bitch about Murphy getting promoted but whoever they hired would have lead to bitching. They could hire Bruch Bochy and people would complain
Murphy is a temporary hire, for sure.
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Yup. And the move to put Weeks on the bench almost assuredly means he takes over like Counsell did from Roenicke.
Brewers fans will bitch about Murphy getting promoted but whoever they hired would have lead to bitching. They could hire Bruch Bochy and people would complain
They are going the way of organizational continuity and won't be doing any sort of rebuild. The hire is fine in that context.
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They are going the way of organizational continuity and won't be doing any sort of rebuild. The hire is fine in that context.
I think it’ll be a “soft” rebuild
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I think it’ll be a “soft” rebuild
Agreed, I think they trade Burnes, and go for prospects who aren't too far from the majors.
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I think it’ll be a “soft” rebuild
That is fair and likely accurate.
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Agreed, I think they trade Burnes, and go for prospects who aren't too far from the majors.
What’s dumb about is, it’s the right thing to do with Burnes and Adames. They can’t give him the deal he wants unless it has an opt-out for the team after x number of years and he won’t sign that. If they sign him and he blows his arm out, then people will complain it was a dumb move giving a guy turning 30 a long-term deal.
Adames is fine in a vacuum but the system is loaded with middle infielders and he’s such a boom or bust candidate, he’s another one that if he’s on the books and busts, he’s hard to move.
Pull the band-aid on those two and see what happens
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That is fair and likely accurate.
Could be. But I think Murphy is an ‘interim’ manager without the actual title. Kinda like Renteria was for the Sox. You don’t hire a 65 year old who has never been a manager before if you want to be a contender.
And if they trade Burnes and Adames, it’s way worse than a soft rebuild.
No Burnes, Woodruff, and Adames = 90+ losses.
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I would suggest closer to .500 but I guess we will have to see.
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Could be. But I think Murphy is an ‘interim’ manager without the actual title. Kinda like Renteria was for the Sox. You don’t hire a 65 year old who has never been a manager before if you want to be a contender.
And if they trade Burnes and Adames, it’s way worse than a soft rebuild.
No Burnes, Woodruff, and Adames = 90+ losses.
Eh, I dunno about that. Adames was brutal for 4 months this year and Woody missed 3 months.
I’m not saying they win the division but they’d probably be good enough to hang around longer than we’d suspect.
I’m more bullish on Murphy than most. He’s not the next great manager but players come and go raving about the organization. He’s been part of that.
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The Athletic has an article by Jim Bowden outlining 5 organizations that have enough young talent to perhaps trade for Burnes as a 1-year rental, and incentive to do so: Baltimore, LA Dodgers, Texas, Arizona and San Francisco.
https://theathletic.com/5065288/2023/11/15/corbin-burnes-trade-scenarios-brewers/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=8203695
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The Athletic has an article by Jim Bowden outlining 5 organizations that have enough young talent to perhaps trade for Burnes as a 1-year rental, and incentive to do so: Baltimore, LA Dodgers, Texas, Arizona and San Francisco.
https://theathletic.com/5065288/2023/11/15/corbin-burnes-trade-scenarios-brewers/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=8203695
Baltimore and Texas were the two spots that intrigued me from a talent standpoint. LA has a lot of talent, too.
Texas was a spot I thought likely before they won it all. The pitching isn’t great but now that they’ve got the title, I’ll be curious how they approach the off-season. Baltimore is my guess and they have some great pieces
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A's moving to Vegas. This franchise moved from Philly to Kansas City to Oakland and now Vegas.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/mlb-owners-approve-as-move-las-vegas-oakland
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Time will tell, but at first blush the White Sox got a ton of potential upside for an expensive reliever who's underperformed the past few seasons.
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Time will tell, but at first blush the White Sox got a ton of potential upside for an expensive reliever who's underperformed the past few seasons.
Looks like a good deal with potential. The Braves are a good pond to fish in for talent.
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Yep - that's a fun deal. Atlanta stood to nontender some of the pieces coming back, but they are low risk pieces that the Sox can turn around and sell later this year if they rebound. Bummer is a much better pitcher than his 2023 stats suggest, but those $7MM+ option years aren't so low salary that they'll really be kicking themselves that much if/when he rebounds.
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Yep - that's a fun deal. Atlanta stood to nontender some of the pieces coming back, but they are low risk pieces that the Sox can turn around and sell later this year if they rebound. Bummer is a much better pitcher than his 2023 stats suggest, but those $7MM+ option years aren't so low salary that they'll really be kicking themselves that much if/when he rebounds.
Good points. While I realize the value of good relievers, the Sox have so many holes that Bummer seems like an expensive final piece to the puzzle that can be filled when the time is right.
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Yep - that's a fun deal. Atlanta stood to nontender some of the pieces coming back, but they are low risk pieces that the Sox can turn around and sell later this year if they rebound. Bummer is a much better pitcher than his 2023 stats suggest, but those $7MM+ option years aren't so low salary that they'll really be kicking themselves that much if/when he rebounds.
Exactly. Rebound or not, Bummer really had no place in whatever rebuild/retool the Sox are trying. If just one of Sorotka, Shuster or Shewmake hits, it's a good trade for them.
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A's moving to Vegas. This franchise moved from Philly to Kansas City to Oakland and now Vegas.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/mlb-owners-approve-as-move-las-vegas-oakland
Oakland issues aside, kind of fascinating the shift in professional sports and Vegas. Not in small part, in my opinion, due to the changing landscape and acceptance of legal sports betting in the US.
I went to Vegas often throughout the late 2000s and 2010s. When I started going there annually for a work conference, it became basically 3 trips everyone 24 months or so on average, this was in 2015. At that time, there were no pro teams there. In the span of the last 8 years, there are now 3 of the 4 pro leagues, and I wouldn't be shocked to see the NBA there before too long.
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Oakland issues aside, kind of fascinating the shift in professional sports and Vegas. Not in small part, in my opinion, due to the changing landscape and acceptance of legal sports betting in the US.
I went to Vegas often throughout the late 2000s and 2010s. When I started going there annually for a work conference, it became basically 3 trips everyone 24 months or so on average, this was in 2015. At that time, there were no pro teams there. In the span of the last 8 years, there are now 3 of the 4 pro leagues, and I wouldn't be shocked to see the NBA there before too long.
NBA In-season Tournament
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Oakland issues aside, kind of fascinating the shift in professional sports and Vegas. Not in small part, in my opinion, due to the changing landscape and acceptance of legal sports betting in the US.
I went to Vegas often throughout the late 2000s and 2010s. When I started going there annually for a work conference, it became basically 3 trips everyone 24 months or so on average, this was in 2015. At that time, there were no pro teams there. In the span of the last 8 years, there are now 3 of the 4 pro leagues, and I wouldn't be shocked to see the NBA there before too long.
In game sports betting is why the Clarissa Thompson thing is such a big issue.
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In game sports betting is why the Clarissa Thompson thing is such a big issue.
I'd argue its why the Joe Burrow situation is such a big deal.
Charissa Thompson/sideline reporters aren't announcing anything that is affecting the game or that bettors aren't seeing on Twitter or elsewhere already well before.
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Woody is a free agent.
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I'd argue its why the Joe Burrow situation is such a big deal.
Charissa Thompson/sideline reporters aren't announcing anything that is affecting the game or that bettors aren't seeing on Twitter or elsewhere already well before.
Kinda the same thing. When it was reported during the game that the injury might be bad, the big guys were jumping on the early line for the next game or two. By the time he was declared out for the season, their bets were already in.
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Woody is a free agent.
Ugh that stinks. Arnold released a really great statement, and from the fact they were also shopping him, it seems Woody was content to rehab and see what the open market brings him. Can’t fault him, and the Brewers can’t pay a guy to not play for them.
Rowdy also nontendered - gonna be a lot of new and young faces around in 2024.
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Guess the folks at MLB finally got the memo that Georgia’s Voting Law wasn’t Jim Crow 2.0.
“After further review, the call on the field has been overturned.”