2023 MLB Thread

[Jockey]

That is fair and likely accurate.

Could be. But I think Murphy is an 'interim' manager without the actual title. Kinda like Renteria was for the Sox. You don't hire a 65 year old who has never been a manager before if you want to be a contender.

And if they trade Burnes and Adames, it's way worse than a soft rebuild.

No Burnes, Woodruff, and Adames = 90+ losses.

[The Sultan]

I would suggest closer to .500 but I guess we will have to see.

[Uncle Rico]

Could be. But I think Murphy is an 'interim' manager without the actual title. Kinda like Renteria was for the Sox. You don't hire a 65 year old who has never been a manager before if you want to be a contender.

And if they trade Burnes and Adames, it's way worse than a soft rebuild.

No Burnes, Woodruff, and Adames = 90+ losses.

Eh, I dunno about that.  Adames was brutal for 4 months this year and Woody missed 3 months. 

I'm not saying they win the division but they'd probably be good enough to hang around longer than we'd suspect.

I'm more bullish on Murphy than most.  He's not the next great manager but players come and go raving about the organization.  He's been part of that. 

[MU82]

The Athletic has an article by Jim Bowden outlining 5 organizations that have enough young talent to perhaps trade for Burnes as a 1-year rental, and incentive to do so: Baltimore, LA Dodgers, Texas, Arizona and San Francisco.

https://theathletic.com/5065288/2023/11/15/corbin-burnes-trade-scenarios-brewers/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=8203695

[Uncle Rico]

The Athletic has an article by Jim Bowden outlining 5 organizations that have enough young talent to perhaps trade for Burnes as a 1-year rental, and incentive to do so: Baltimore, LA Dodgers, Texas, Arizona and San Francisco.

https://theathletic.com/5065288/2023/11/15/corbin-burnes-trade-scenarios-brewers/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=8203695

Baltimore and Texas were the two spots that intrigued me from a talent standpoint.  LA has a lot of talent, too.

Texas was a spot I thought likely before they won it all.  The pitching isn't great but now that they've got the title, I'll be curious how they approach the off-season.  Baltimore is my guess and they have some great pieces

[muwarrior69]

A's moving to Vegas. This franchise moved from Philly to Kansas City to Oakland and now Vegas.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/mlb-owners-approve-as-move-las-vegas-oakland

[Pakuni]

Time will tell, but at first blush the White Sox got a ton of potential upside for an expensive reliever who's underperformed the past few seasons.

[WhiteTrash]

Time will tell, but at first blush the White Sox got a ton of potential upside for an expensive reliever who's underperformed the past few seasons.

Looks like a good deal with potential. The Braves are a good pond to fish in for talent.

[MUBurrow]

Yep - that's a fun deal.  Atlanta stood to nontender some of the pieces coming back, but they are low risk pieces that the Sox can turn around and sell later this year if they rebound.  Bummer is a much better pitcher than his 2023 stats suggest, but those $7MM+ option years aren't so low salary that they'll really be kicking themselves that much if/when he rebounds. 

[WhiteTrash]

Yep - that's a fun deal.  Atlanta stood to nontender some of the pieces coming back, but they are low risk pieces that the Sox can turn around and sell later this year if they rebound.  Bummer is a much better pitcher than his 2023 stats suggest, but those $7MM+ option years aren't so low salary that they'll really be kicking themselves that much if/when he rebounds.

Good points. While I realize the value of good relievers, the Sox have so many holes that Bummer seems like an expensive final piece to the puzzle that can be filled when the time is right.

[Pakuni]

Yep - that's a fun deal.  Atlanta stood to nontender some of the pieces coming back, but they are low risk pieces that the Sox can turn around and sell later this year if they rebound.  Bummer is a much better pitcher than his 2023 stats suggest, but those $7MM+ option years aren't so low salary that they'll really be kicking themselves that much if/when he rebounds.

Exactly. Rebound or not, Bummer really had no place in whatever rebuild/retool the Sox are trying.  If just one of Sorotka, Shuster or Shewmake hits, it's a good trade for them.

[JWags85]

A's moving to Vegas. This franchise moved from Philly to Kansas City to Oakland and now Vegas.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/mlb-owners-approve-as-move-las-vegas-oakland

Oakland issues aside, kind of fascinating the shift in professional sports and Vegas.  Not in small part, in my opinion, due to the changing landscape and acceptance of legal sports betting in the US.

I went to Vegas often throughout the late 2000s and 2010s.  When I started going there annually for a work conference, it became basically 3 trips everyone 24 months or so on average, this was in 2015.  At that time, there were no pro teams there.  In the span of the last 8 years, there are now 3 of the 4 pro leagues, and I wouldn't be shocked to see the NBA there before too long.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Oakland issues aside, kind of fascinating the shift in professional sports and Vegas.  Not in small part, in my opinion, due to the changing landscape and acceptance of legal sports betting in the US.

I went to Vegas often throughout the late 2000s and 2010s.  When I started going there annually for a work conference, it became basically 3 trips everyone 24 months or so on average, this was in 2015.  At that time, there were no pro teams there.  In the span of the last 8 years, there are now 3 of the 4 pro leagues, and I wouldn't be shocked to see the NBA there before too long.

NBA In-season Tournament

[Jockey]

Oakland issues aside, kind of fascinating the shift in professional sports and Vegas.  Not in small part, in my opinion, due to the changing landscape and acceptance of legal sports betting in the US.

I went to Vegas often throughout the late 2000s and 2010s.  When I started going there annually for a work conference, it became basically 3 trips everyone 24 months or so on average, this was in 2015.  At that time, there were no pro teams there.  In the span of the last 8 years, there are now 3 of the 4 pro leagues, and I wouldn't be shocked to see the NBA there before too long.

In game sports betting is why the Clarissa Thompson thing is such a big issue.

[JWags85]

In game sports betting is why the Clarissa Thompson thing is such a big issue.

I'd argue its why the Joe Burrow situation is such a big deal.

Charissa Thompson/sideline reporters aren't announcing anything that is affecting the game or that bettors aren't seeing on Twitter or elsewhere already well before. 

[wadesworld]

Woody is a free agent.

[Jockey]

I'd argue its why the Joe Burrow situation is such a big deal.

Charissa Thompson/sideline reporters aren't announcing anything that is affecting the game or that bettors aren't seeing on Twitter or elsewhere already well before.

Kinda the same thing. When it was reported during the game that the injury might be bad, the big guys were jumping on the early line for the next game or two. By the time he was declared out for the season, their bets were already in.

[MUBurrow]

Woody is a free agent.

Ugh that stinks. Arnold released a really great statement, and from the fact they were also shopping him, it seems Woody was content to rehab and see what the open market brings him. Can't fault him, and the Brewers can't pay a guy to not play for them.

Rowdy also nontendered - gonna be a lot of new and young faces around in 2024.

[Lennys Tap]

Guess the folks at MLB finally got the memo that Georgia's Voting Law wasn't Jim Crow 2.0.

"After further review, the call on the field  has been overturned."