Bracketology Thread 2023

[CountryRoads]

And I'll echo what Wisblue said. If we switched resumes with Baylor, yall would be screaming about them not having enough Q1 games and too weak of a SOS

I'm not sure about that. Think most would be pretty humbled by the fact that we were pounded in the head to head. The only screaming done would be that the team finished 2-4 and is once again collapsing.

[Uncle Rico]

I'm not sure about that. Think most would be pretty humbled by the fact that we were pounded in the head to head. The only screaming done would be that the team finished 2-4 and is once again collapsing.

If Marquette finished like Baylor, NLW and furley would have parade down Wisconsin Avenue

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm not sure about that. Think most would be pretty humbled by the fact that we were pounded in the head to head. The only screaming done would be that the team finished 2-4 and is once again collapsing.

Poking my head over on their fan forum, that's not the case. They are screaming about finishing 2-4 but also screaming that they deserve the 2 seed over us and Gonzaga. I guess we must just have better fans.

Just realized I'm talking about Baylor so it's a given that we have better fans but I don't think we're any less of homers

[Dr. Blackheart]

If Marquette finished like Baylor, NLW and furley would have parade down Wisconsin Avenue

That would be a one person parade, hey? 

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Poking my head over on their fan forum, that's not the case. They are screaming about finishing 2-4 but also screaming that they deserve the 2 seed over us and Gonzaga. I guess we must just have better fans.

Just realized I'm talking about Baylor so it's a given that we have better fans but I don't think we're any less of homers

They can cry all they want; they had a chance and blew it down the stretch.

[Galway Eagle]

How many wins does one need to have a ton of losses that just don't matter because they're all "good losses" I mean at a certain point W & Ls is what the seasons actually about...

[ATL MU Warrior]

You shouldn't be able to go 2-4 since the reveal and stay on the same seed line.  At some point, wins have to be a requirement to maintain your position. I get that they're losing to really good teams, but they are still LOSING.

[wadesworld]

If we get a 3 seed MU's non conference schedule going forward should be at Kansas, at Duke, and road games against every Big 12 school (since they'll all be Q1). Skip the tournaments, skip the rivalry games, cancel the home and homes, skip the conference vs. conference games.

Go 0-14 against those teams, no problem. Win even 4 of them? Give us that 1 seed.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

How many wins does one need to have a ton of losses that just don't matter because they're all "good losses" I mean at a certain point W & Ls is what the seasons actually about...

It depends on your whole resume. Look at Virginia  They have the same overall record as us and are playing in the ACC championship yet they are projected to be 6 to 8 spots behind us on S Curve. Who you beat matters

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If we get a 3 seed MU's non conference schedule going forward should be at Kansas, at Duke, and road games against every Big 12 school (since they'll all be Q1). Skip the tournaments, skip the rivalry games, cancel the home and homes, skip the conference vs. conference games.

Go 0-14 against those teams, no problem. Win even 4 of them? Give us that 1 seed.

I mean you can try that but I wouldn't recommend it. Baylor has 11 Q1 wins and they are either going to be the last 2 or top 3 seed. Oklahoma has 6 Q1 wins and they aren't even making the NIT. I don't think 4 Q1 wins would cut it for a 1 seed. Or even a tourney berth

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

You shouldn't be able to go 2-4 since the reveal and stay on the same seed line.  At some point, wins have to be a requirement to maintain your position. I get that they're losing to really good teams, but they are still LOSING.

If the system is as described it's flawed.  Very good/deep conferences deserve more bids because of their depth, not higher seeds. 

[bilsu]

I mean you can try that but I wouldn't recommend it. Baylor has 11 Q1 wins and they are either going to be the last 2 or top 3 seed. Oklahoma has 6 Q1 wins and they aren't even making the NIT. I don't think 4 Q1 wins would cut it for a 1 seed. Or even a tourney berth

Both have a lot of quality wins, because the non-conference season said the league is by far the best. This may be true, but we will not know until the sweet 16 is played how good the Big 12 really is.

[bilsu]

If the system is as described it's flawed.  Very good/deep conferences deserve more bids because of their depth, not higher seeds.

I think there should be a minimum number of conference wins required, which can be achieve with wins in conference tournament. 20 game conference schedules should require at least 9 conference wins, maybe 10 to get in. There is no need to take teams with bad records, just because they have a tough schedule.

[JakeBarnes]

I think there should be a minimum number of conference wins required, which can be achieve with wins in conference tournament. 20 game conference schedules should require at least 9 conference wins, maybe 10 to get in. There is no need to take teams with bad records, just because they have a tough schedule.

Quality vs quantity. Don't entice conferences to try and poach depaul so they can add meaningless wins for that sort of criteria.

This is a pretty strong top This year. SEVEN teams are in 1 seed contention. Someone is gonna get screwed for being good in a year where other topt eams are really frigging good.

[lawdog77]

Our conference needs to figure out how to inflate our bottom-feeders NET. Is it making them schedule bad teams and beating them by 30+? Or have them schedule middle of the road teams (like Oklahoma did). When the whole conference is basically Top 75 net, it's impossible to drop too far in the NET

[Uncle Rico]

Our conference needs to figure out how to inflate our bottom-feeders NET. Is it making them schedule bad teams and beating them by 30+? Or have them schedule middle of the road teams (like Oklahoma did). When the whole conference is basically Top 75 net, it's impossible to drop too far in the NET

The scheduling is fine.  It's up to the schools whether they want to be good at basketball or not.  DePaul and GTown haven't.  DePaul for a long time and GTown the last few years.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

If the system is as described it's flawed.  Very good/deep conferences deserve more bids because of their depth, not higher seeds.

Thankfully, the system compensates for this flaw by taking many more teams than can realistically win the championship.

Once the tournament starts, seeds aren't all that relevant.  Matchups, hot/cold shooting, upsets, and luck can be the difference between losing early and winning it all.

[lawdog77]

The scheduling is fine.  It's up to the schools whether they want to be good at basketball or not.  DePaul and GTown haven't.  DePaul for a long time and GTown the last few years.

To a point, but I look at Oklahoma. They played one tourney team in the non conference and lost by double digits. They also lost to Sam Houston, beat Arkansas Pine Bluff by only 8, South Alabama by 4. Their key to a good NET preconference was don't schedule the horrible teams.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

To a point, but I look at Oklahoma. They played one tourney team in the non conference and lost by double digits. They also lost to Sam Houston, beat Arkansas Pine Bluff by only 8, South Alabama by 4. Their key to a good NET preconference was don't schedule the horrible teams.

They also beat Alabama by a million points in a non-conference game.  That was later in the year.  I know the timing probably caused your oversight.

[BM1090]

Uab -1.5 tonight

Opened FAU -1.5. Lots of $$ on UAB

[Elonsmusk]

Anyone want to wager on who is seeded higher, Baylor or Marquette?  I'm taking Marquette, regardless of the outcome of tonight's game against X.

[lawdog77]

They also beat Alabama by a million points in a non-conference game.  That was later in the year.  I know the timing probably caused your oversight.

yep. oops

[Dr. Blackheart]

They also beat Alabama by a million points in a non-conference game.  That was later in the year.  I know the timing probably caused your oversight.

So if Missouri beats Bama today, does our seeding go up based upon our Secret Scrimmage W? 

[tower912]

Yes.  Reverse Beasley.

[forgetful]

Our conference needs to figure out how to inflate our bottom-feeders NET. Is it making them schedule bad teams and beating them by 30+? Or have them schedule middle of the road teams (like Oklahoma did). When the whole conference is basically Top 75 net, it's impossible to drop too far in the NET

You want to schedule as teams in the 130-180 range and beat them by double digits instead of beating the 180-250 range teams.

The quality of team at 150 and 220 really isn't that different, but it means a lot in the computer rankings and NET. That is largely how the power conferences are gaming the system, just like the RPI used to be gamed. It sets a very high baseline in NET for the whole conference, and then they all rise.