Golf 2025

[Herman Cain]

A fascinating juxtaposition between this and the current article on golf digest about what Nellie owes to the sport.

Lexi=LPGA version of Sergio. Was a Youthful star,  who could swing the club extremely well with enough talent to win a major. However ,can't consistently putt, chokes in big moments and has personality issues thrown in.

[Lennys Tap]

"Too often"

Well, one time is "too often" so I guess - but I can't think of any unworthy female athletes getting kudos just because of their looks. The ones I see in the limelight (Clark, Brittany Griner, Nellie Korda, etc.) are celebrated because of their accomplishments and not their appearance.

[withoutbias]

Well, one time is "too often" so I guess - but I can't think of any unworthy female athletes getting kudos just because of their looks. The ones I see in the limelight (Clark, Brittany Griner, Nellie Korda, etc.) are celebrated because of their accomplishments and not their appearance.

You cannot think of a single female athlete who gets propped up more because they are attractive?  Seriously?

I'm guessing you don't believe the studies that show more attractive people (regardless of sex) have easier times finding jobs, getting media attention when needed (see: media coverage of Gabby Petito going missing vs. the many missing indigenous women), etc.

[lawdog77]

Well, one time is "too often" so I guess - but I can't think of any unworthy female athletes getting kudos just because of their looks. The ones I see in the limelight (Clark, Brittany Griner, Nellie Korda, etc.) are celebrated because of their accomplishments and not their appearance.

Anna Kournikova on line 1

[Lennys Tap]

Anna Kournikova on line 1

More than 2 decades ago calling on line 2. She was a star very young, reached #8 singles and #1 doubles at 18, then injuries came. Was her modeling career aided by her tennis fame? I suppose, but I'd wager she held her own in that regard.

[Lennys Tap]

You cannot think of a single female athlete who gets propped up more because they are attractive?  Seriously?

I'm guessing you don't believe the studies that show more attractive people (regardless of sex) have easier times finding jobs, getting media attention when needed (see: media coverage of Gabby Petito going missing vs. the many missing indigenous women), etc.

WTF? Gabby Petito was a professional athlete? As usual you're off topic.

But, yes, physically attractive people have a leg up on life. So do really smart people, athletically gifted folks, people born to wealthy parents and to two parent households. By all means rage against the unfairness of it all if it makes you feel better - but it's pretty much a waste of time.

[Pakuni]

More than 2 decades ago calling on line 2. She was a star very young, reached #8 singles and #1 doubles at 18, then injuries came. Was her modeling career aided by her tennis fame? I suppose, but I'd wager she held her own in that regard.

Livvy Dunne.

[lawdog77]

Livvy Dunne.

Cavinder sisters as well. There are a large number

[lawdog77]

More than 2 decades ago calling on line 2. She was a star very young, reached #8 singles and #1 doubles at 18, then injuries came. Was her modeling career aided by her tennis fame? I suppose, but I'd wager she held her own in that regard.

How many singles titles did she win?

[withoutbias]

Danika Patrick. Paige Spiranac. Maria Sharapova. Anna Kournikova.

There's plenty of examples.

[Lennys Tap]

Danika Patrick. Paige Spiranac. Maria Sharapova. Anna Kournikova.

There's plenty of examples.

1.How many ordinary looking female professional race car drivers did Danica Patrick steal thunder from?

2. Paige Spiranic was never even an LPGA tour player. She's famous as an influencer like the Kardashians.

3. Maria Sharapova was the #1 player in the world.

4. Anna Kournikova was the #8 singles player and the #1 doubles player in the world at 19. And it was 25 years ago.

"Too often"? Bit of a stretch.

[withoutbias]

1.How many ordinary looking female professional race car drivers did Danica Patrick steal thunder from?

2. Paige Spiranic was never even an LPGA tour player. She's famous as an influencer like the Kardashians.

3. Maria Sharapova was the #1 player in the world.

4. Anna Kournikova was the #8 singles player and the #1 doubles player in the world at 19. And it was 25 years ago.

"Too often"? Bit of a stretch.

There have been tons of female professional racecar drivers that have received far less attention than Danica Patrick.  The fact that you can't come up with any goes to prove the point.

There have been a ton of female tennis players who have been ranked #1 for longer yet have nowhere near the popularity of those two.

It happens quite often.  Check out what female college athletes get the most NIL.  Livvy Dunne has the highest NIL valuation of any female athlete.  Yes, she's very good at gymnastics.  But what she has done for gymnastics isn't even remotely on the same planet as what Caitlin Clark did for women's basketball.  The Cavinder twins had a higher NIL valuation than Caitlin Clark.

It happens all the time.  It happens in all walks of life.

[Herman Cain]

There have been tons of female professional racecar drivers that have received far less attention than Danica Patrick.  The fact that you can't come up with any goes to prove the point.

There have been a ton of female tennis players who have been ranked #1 for longer yet have nowhere near the popularity of those two.

It happens quite often.  Check out what female college athletes get the most NIL.  Livvy Dunne has the highest NIL valuation of any female athlete.  Yes, she's very good at gymnastics.  But what she has done for gymnastics isn't even remotely on the same planet as what Caitlin Clark did for women's basketball.  The Cavinder twins had a higher NIL valuation than Caitlin Clark.

It happens all the time.  It happens in all walks of life.

Danica is not the best example to prove the point You are trying to make. Danica was actually the greatest female driver in history. Challenging to win at every race. The others of note such as Janet Guthrie, Lynn St James  and various Nascar female drivers were good enough to make the races but for the most part were not contenders to win.

Golf ,which is what this thread is about, has some better example. Laura Baugh back in the day got a lot of attention for her looks rather than talent . Natalie Gulbis was a legitimate LPGA player, who    Won one tournament and competed well. However she received far more attention than the dominant players of her Era , constantly in glamorous photo shoots

[Lennys Tap]

There have been tons of female professional racecar drivers that have received far less attention than Danica Patrick.  The fact that you can't come up with any goes to prove the point.

Any of those "tons" (lol) lead the Indy 500 with 10 laps to go?

As far as whether top female gymnasts get more NIL than top female basketball players - I don't know if that's a fact or not but it's comparing apples to oranges beside the point meaningless to the discussion anyway.

You've piled up "tons" of losses on this board. Take another L go back in your hole.

[tower912]

Won a bet from the owner at the aforementioned home course.  I showed up at 8 and there was a big outing  scheduled to go off shotgun at 9:45.  I told him with a cart I could be done in 90 minutes.  He was skeptical, but let me go.  He tracked me via GPS.   18 holes, no impediments, 85 minutes.
$5 richer, but I have bragging rights.

[withoutbias]

Any of those "tons" (lol) lead the Indy 500 with 10 laps to go?

As far as whether top female gymnasts get more NIL than top female basketball players - I don't know if that's a fact or not but it's comparing apples to oranges beside the point meaningless to the discussion anyway.

You've piled up "tons" of losses on this board. Take another L go back in your hole.

https://us.motorsport.com/general/news/top-10-female-racers-all-time/10584782/

I'm guessing motorsports.com has a better idea of who was a better female race car driver than Lennys Tap does.

Sh!t nevermind.  Lenny's Tap is all knowing.

Guy admits he has no idea if what he's saying is accurate or not, but knows he's right.  Lol.  Such a classic.

You're digging your head further and further into the sand if you don't think attractive female athletes get more attention and propped up more than female athletes who aren't as attractive.  Which is no surprise.  You're head's in the sand in just about every subject discussed here.

[The Sultan]

I think two things are true...

1. There have been obvious circumstances where attractive female athletes received undue attention. Kournikova is a great example. Sure she was the #8 singles player in the world, but never won a singles title at any professional event. I'm sure there are dozens of players with similar records who we have never heard of.

2. To the credit of sports media, they have gotten way better at this over the past couple of decades. Frankly I think ESPN deserves a ton of credit for how they talk about and how they cover female sports and female athletes. TBH, if we went back in time, I think we would be shocked at the differences - the words used, the images used, etc.

[Pakuni]

Danica is not the best example to prove the point You are trying to make. Danica was actually the greatest female driver in history. Challenging to win at every race. The others of note such as Janet Guthrie, Lynn St James  and various Nascar female drivers were good enough to make the races but for the most part were not contenders to win.

Challenging to win at every race? Wut?
In 116 IndyCar races, she had one win and seven top 3 finishes.
In 61 NASCAR races, she had zero wins and seven top 10 finishes.

[Lennys Tap]

Sh!t nevermind.  Lenny's Tap is all knowing.

I'm a long way from knowing everything but you're right next door to knowing nothing.

[Goose]

Lenny

Thanks for the laugh. Cut right to the bone and spot on.

[lawdog77]

Challenging to win at every race? Wut?
In 116 IndyCar races, she had one win and seven top 3 finishes.
In 61 NASCAR races, she had zero wins and seven top 10 finishes.

While driving for some of the best teams. Many close to  Indycar thought Sarah Fisher was a much better driver.

[MuggsyB]

Kournikova waa pretty much worshipped in the same way pop stars and A-listers are back in the day.  I think she made like 25 mill in endorsements.  I do remember Hingis and others being extremely jealous but eventually they appreciated her.   Mainly  because she wasn't a jagoff about her off the court success and was very complimentary of the top players. 

[Uncle Rico]

Kournikova waa pretty much worshipped in the same way pop stars and A-listers are back in the day.  I think she made like 25 mill in endorsements.  I do remember Hingis and others being extremely jealous of her but eventually they appreciated her because she wasn't a jagoff about her off the court success.

Herm jerked off to her a lot

[The Sultan]

Kournikova waa pretty much worshipped in the same way pop stars and A-listers are back in the day.  I think she made like 25 mill in endorsements.  I do remember Hingis and others being extremely jealous but eventually they appreciated her.   Mainly  because she wasn't a jagoff about her off the court success and was very complimentary of the top players. 

And she actually liked playing tennis. She won a couple Australian Opens with Hingis as her doubles partner.

[MuggsyB]

And she actually liked playing tennis. She won a couple Australian Opens with Hingis as her doubles partner.

Good point.  I guess I was a little off.  She apparently made about 45m in endorsements.  That's incredible when you consider that was like 20-25 yrs ago.