49 free throw attempts

[21Jumpstreet]

He also said they didn't get the calls and Providence went to the foul line on two jump balls in overtime. He was definitely pointing out the officiating.

[The Sultan]

Standard Sultan reply.  30 FT attempt differential is not something simply explained by the other team being more physical.  They bodied the unnatural carnal knowledge out of Kam, Tyler, Jop going to the basket and rarely was anything called.

I get that your schtick is to be a prick, but try not to be so predictable.

A prick? Sorry you feel that way.

But refs weren't a problem. Sorry you can't see that.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

This is the price you pay for having long lanky teams — you get pushed around inside and don't get the whistles you want because guys can't hold their ground. Gotta take the good with the bad; I just wish we had one true big inside, even if only to use from the bench.

[forgetful]

I agree, for the most part they were fine. My one problem was the straight line drives MU walled up that were out of control that were at best no calls.  It was a foul every time and rewarded horrible head down drives.  The rest of the 35 free throws were earned.

They rewarded Providence for out of control head down drives and swallowed the whistle for MU. Pretty clear.

Call it both ways.

[5DollarPitcher]

I can't make you see something that you don't see or understand. Physical teams win BE battles. Since MU has been in this conference, that has been the case. Have you not been watching?

I love Shaka but his style is going to be ugly at times in this conference.

So you had a biased conclusion coming into the game and a 30 (THIRTY!) free throw disparity made all the sense in the world to you.  You didn't even need to watch the game!

I can't make you see something you don't see or understand - the refs tilted the court tonight.

[Viper]

Standard Sultan reply.  30 FT attempt differential is not something simply explained by the other team being more physical.  They bodied the unnatural carnal knowledge out of Kam, Tyler, Jop going to the basket and rarely was anything called.

I get that your schtick is to be a prick, but try not to be so predictable.

shaka, get t'd. Sometimes you gotta drop the hammer. Your guys were getting hacked without mercy. Take one!

[BM1090]

Because we fouled them more than they fouled us.

We did foul them more than they fouled us. They are bigger and more physical than us. They deserved more free throw attempts. We could have rebounded better. The half court offense went in to a funk with 6 minutes left. There are a lot of reasons that we lost.

That said, they didn't deserve 30 more attempts. PC got away with a lot of contact that we didn't get away with, and I could find 8-10 examples. We should have had 10-15 more free throws and that would have been the difference.

[The Sultan]

This is the price you pay for having long lanky teams — you get pushed around inside and don't get the whistles you want because guys can't hold their ground. Gotta take the good with the bad; I just wish we had one true big inside, even if only to use from the bench.

Exactly. You said this better than me. Can't hold their ground and lose their position defensively. Recipe for fouls.

[GoldenEagles03]

Because we fouled them.

Bryce Hopkins played 47 minutes.  Marquette was attacking in all 47 of his minutes.

He got called for 0 fouls.

[MUfan12]

We did foul them more than they fouled us. They are bigger and more physical than us. They deserved more free throw attempts. We could have rebounded better. The half court offense went in to a funk with 6 minutes left. There are a lot of reasons that we lost.

That said, they didn't deserve 30 more attempts. PC got away with a lot of contact that we didn't get away with, and I could find 8-10 examples. We should have had 10-15 more free throws and that would have been the difference.

Bingo. I get why there would be a disparity but that large? Come on.

[5DollarPitcher]

They rewarded Providence for out of control head down drives and swallowed the whistle for MU. Pretty clear.

Call it both ways.

This is the correct take. The argument can be made the Providence was "aggressive" but the officiating was inconsistent in response to that.

[The Sultan]

Bryce Hopkins played 47 minutes.  Marquette was attacking in all 47 of his minutes.

He got called for 0 fouls.

I didn't notice any they missed.

[wadesworld]

Remember today if and when we miss the tournament. Providence isn't good.

Lol.

[5DollarPitcher]

We did foul them more than they fouled us. They are bigger and more physical than us. They deserved more free throw attempts. We could have rebounded better. The half court offense went in to a funk with 6 minutes left. There are a lot of reasons that we lost.

That said, they didn't deserve 30 more attempts. PC got away with a lot of contact that we didn't get away with, and I could find 8-10 examples. We should have had 10-15 more free throws and that would have been the difference.

Correct take again

[5DollarPitcher]

I didn't notice any they missed.

Because you're an uninformed, uneducated watcher of basketball

[The Sultan]

So you had a biased conclusion coming into the game and a 30 (THIRTY!) free throw disparity made all the sense in the world to you.  You didn't even need to watch the game!

I can't make you see something you don't see or understand - the refs tilted the court tonight.

Biased conclusion????

Have you WATCHED Big East basketball? This is how games are played all the time!

[The Sultan]

Because you're an uninformed, uneducated watcher of basketball

Resorting to name calling means you've lost the argument. Congrats.

[5DollarPitcher]

Biased conclusion????

Have you WATCHED Big East basketball? This is how games are played all the time!

That's the definition of bias "Sultan of Semantics", I'd expect you to get there on your own.

[wisblue]

Some people want to focus on the foul/free throw differential as evidence of poor and biased officiating.

I'd prefer to focus on getting outrebounded by 20, including at least 3 on missed FTs as evidence that one team was more physical and aggressive than the other.

We all know that MU is not a physical team and is going to have problems against teams with muscle. To be successful MU has to be able to execute and make shots in tight games and so far they have totally failed to do that. There are going to be a lot more close games than blowouts in conference play, and if MU doesn't dramatically improve its execution in close games it's going to be a difficult season. They were lucky Kalkenbrenner was out last week because that game could have been a lot different.

[GoldenEagles03]

I didn't notice any they missed.

Joplin and Kam were getting bumped everytime they drove.

Providence was whistled for 1 foul in the final 10 minutes of regulation. They also started both overtimes shooting 2 free throws within the 1st 10 seconds of each period.

I still don't think Marquette is a tournament team but that was a poorly officiated game that turns into a painful loss.

Seton Hall
Villanova
St. Johns

Those are all coinflip games coming up, just as tonight was.

[5DollarPitcher]

Resorting to name calling means you've lost the argument. Congrats.

You kinda started it - congrats!

[ATL MU Warrior]

A prick? Sorry you feel that way.

But refs weren't a problem. Sorry you can't see that.

Has there ever, in your life, been a game where you admit the refs might have been a problem? 

[Dr. Blackheart]

This is the correct take. The argument can be made the Providence was "aggressive" but the officiating was inconsistent in response to that.

It's up to Broeker then to go to the Big East office.  Really the issue wasn't that MU didn't foul but that the game wasn't called consistently on both ends and half to half. In game, that's on Shaka. Post-game, that's on Broeker.

[MUfan12]

One they certainly missed was Jop's tying bucket. Cresswell was vertical but jumped right into his body. Should have been shooting a FT for the lead.

[The Sultan]

That's the definition of bias "Sultan of Semantics", I'd expect you to get there on your own.

No. You've failed with logic here. Go back and follow the topic. Perhaps you'll notice your error.

Likely not though.