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MuggsyB

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MU and the jumper/trifecta
« on: November 13, 2022, 10:17:53 PM »
I think over the past year we have seen a number of games where we go into brick city mode/offensive lulls.  Now obviously college hoops is a game of runs, and we're not alone in stretches of offensive ineptitude, but I think we need to do a better job of consistent shot selection in our h-c offense.

Furthermore, most guys are more comfortable in catch and shoots versus rising and firing a J off the bounce.  Kolek in particular is way, way, more comfortable spot shooting.  I think Kam and DJop have a bit of a step-back but In general we struggle shooting off the dribble from my observations. 

We need more control on the floater or stop and pop from mid-range.  When we are in the half-court, and need a bucket or a three, what exactly would you be drawing up in these scenarios other than Kolek zipping a dime against unprepared opponents?  My concern are these offense droughts, which more often than not have been a result of early launches from deep, or acting like Bison in Yellowstone with downhill attacks.  Passing off the dribble should be far more fluid imo. 
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2022, 10:25:08 PM »
You’ll need a different coaching staff.
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2022, 10:37:24 PM »
Quote from: Retire0 on November 13, 2022, 10:25:08 PM
You’ll need a different coaching staff.

For better shot selection in the h-c?
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2022, 10:39:19 PM »
Next year, Tre Norman has a real jump shot!
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2022, 11:00:26 PM »
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 13, 2022, 10:39:19 PM
Next year, Tre Norman has a real jump shot!

We have guys that can drill triples but we can be a bit inconsistent. 
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2022, 11:42:08 PM »
The mid-range jumper is dead. It's not coming back
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2022, 12:32:57 AM »
Analytics killed the mid-range jumper.


Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on November 13, 2022, 11:42:08 PM
The mid-range jumper is dead. It's not coming back
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2022, 04:36:29 AM »
We're top-5 in the country in Shot Quality points per possession. That means we're creating and taking good shots, they just aren't falling. There were at least 14 points off wide open shots that Kolek created and were missed against Radford.

The system is doing what it's supposed to do, we just need the players to convert.
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2022, 05:17:26 AM »
Stevie. has shot the mid range.    I think Muggsy is asking in a roundabout way 'who can create their own shot at crunch time? '    Last year, Morsell and Lewis could.

I think the answer is TBD.   We simply don't know yet.   
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2022, 05:41:43 AM »
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 14, 2022, 12:32:57 AM
Analytics killed the mid-range jumper.
This should be made into a music video
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2022, 06:42:43 AM »
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 14, 2022, 05:41:43 AM
This should be made into a music video

Sung by The Cure to the tune of “Video Killed the Radio Star”
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2022, 06:43:43 AM »
Picturing the image Buggles the mind.
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2022, 06:52:52 AM »
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 14, 2022, 05:41:43 AM
This should be made into a music video

I saw you pull up on the wing in '92
Shook a defender who was bearing down on you
The net just rippled as the ball was going through
Oh-a-oh
They fed their numbers through a site called Synergy
Points per possession on their new technology
And they found a problem with your accuracy

Oh-a-oh
I met the gurus
Oh-a-oh
They said your shot's through

Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Numbers came and broke your heart
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh

And now we meet in a digital studio
Electrodes hooked up to monitor your cardio
And you remember how the jumpers used to flow

Oh-a-oh
You hit the first one
Oh-a-oh
You hit the last one

Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
On the wing but inside the arc
No long twos, dunk it or fire from afar

Oh-a-oh-oh-oh
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh

Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper

On the wing but inside the arc
No long twos, dunk it or fire from afar
Numbers came and broke your heart
Blame it all on Dean Oliver

You are a midrange star
You are a midrange star

Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2022, 06:55:29 AM »
Bravo!
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2022, 07:24:24 AM »
Scoop at its finest
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2022, 07:26:40 AM »
I hope Muggsy gets the humor.
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2022, 07:29:37 AM »
Brew nailed it!
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2022, 07:29:47 AM »
Very nice!
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2022, 07:35:07 AM »
brew for 2!

(But only a high-quality 2 -- dunk or layup -- of course.)
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2022, 07:40:42 AM »
I tried to sing it but couldn't.   My voice only works in the mid range.
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2022, 07:53:45 AM »
I’ll watch for this video on Thursday right before “Pray”.
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2022, 08:02:47 AM »
The floater is still effective.  Morant seems to do okay with it.  Back to my point which is shooting and creating off the bounce.  Kolek cannot be our sole creator.  We have to be able to get multiple guys attacking the paint to score or move the rock when help comes.  The TK one-handed zip dime is fun to watch but against good teams they will snuff that out.  It becomes telegraphed when he's not a threat to score the ball off the dribble.

So if we're not going to take wide open shots from 5-10 feet, and don't post or run a lot of back doors, if TK is not creating where are we going to get quality looks?  I think (notwithstanding Brew's composition) a shot in the paint doesn't have to be a wild attack where you must get all the way to the rim if it's not there.   Oso had several 6-10 footers early against CMU. 

The bottom line is we must diversify our h-c offense and have good enough guards to do so.  When guys vertical attack, moving the ball when help comes is the key.  But there also needs to be better balance when they get to the rim, utilization of the shot fake, changing speeds off the dribble, and understanding how to draw fouls and get two freebies.  It all starts with TK.  He has to be a threat to score off the dribble. 
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2022, 08:05:57 AM »
Floater is not a midrange shot. We've seen oso and sean Jones both create shots for others in the first two games. We do run a lot of back doors.
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2022, 08:06:42 AM »
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 14, 2022, 06:52:52 AM
I saw you pull up on the wing in '92
Shook a defender who was bearing down on you
The net just rippled as the ball was going through
Oh-a-oh
They fed their numbers through a site called Synergy
Points per possession on their new technology
And they found a problem with your accuracy

Oh-a-oh
I met the gurus
Oh-a-oh
They said your shot's through

Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Numbers came and broke your heart
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh

And now we meet in a digital studio
Electrodes hooked up to monitor your cardio
And you remember how the jumpers used to flow

Oh-a-oh
You hit the first one
Oh-a-oh
You hit the last one

Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
On the wing but inside the arc
No long twos, dunk it or fire from afar

Oh-a-oh-oh-oh
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh

Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper

On the wing but inside the arc
No long twos, dunk it or fire from afar
Numbers came and broke your heart
Blame it all on Dean Oliver

You are a midrange star
You are a midrange star

Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper

Jojo dropped 59 yesterday with one three and mostly post makes from 5-10 feet. 
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Re: MU and the jumper/trifecta
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2022, 08:07:35 AM »
Brew my man, that's the best post I've seen here in about five years.
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