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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2022, 10:17:53 PM
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I think over the past year we have seen a number of games where we go into brick city mode/offensive lulls. Now obviously college hoops is a game of runs, and we're not alone in stretches of offensive ineptitude, but I think we need to do a better job of consistent shot selection in our h-c offense.
Furthermore, most guys are more comfortable in catch and shoots versus rising and firing a J off the bounce. Kolek in particular is way, way, more comfortable spot shooting. I think Kam and DJop have a bit of a step-back but In general we struggle shooting off the dribble from my observations.
We need more control on the floater or stop and pop from mid-range. When we are in the half-court, and need a bucket or a three, what exactly would you be drawing up in these scenarios other than Kolek zipping a dime against unprepared opponents? My concern are these offense droughts, which more often than not have been a result of early launches from deep, or acting like Bison in Yellowstone with downhill attacks. Passing off the dribble should be far more fluid imo.
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You’ll need a different coaching staff.
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You’ll need a different coaching staff.
For better shot selection in the h-c?
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Next year, Tre Norman has a real jump shot!
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Next year, Tre Norman has a real jump shot!
We have guys that can drill triples but we can be a bit inconsistent.
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The mid-range jumper is dead. It's not coming back
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Analytics killed the mid-range jumper.
The mid-range jumper is dead. It's not coming back
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We're top-5 in the country in Shot Quality points per possession. That means we're creating and taking good shots, they just aren't falling. There were at least 14 points off wide open shots that Kolek created and were missed against Radford.
The system is doing what it's supposed to do, we just need the players to convert.
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Stevie. has shot the mid range. I think Muggsy is asking in a roundabout way 'who can create their own shot at crunch time? ' Last year, Morsell and Lewis could.
I think the answer is TBD. We simply don't know yet.
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Analytics killed the mid-range jumper.
This should be made into a music video
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This should be made into a music video
Sung by The Cure to the tune of “Video Killed the Radio Star”
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Picturing the image Buggles the mind.
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This should be made into a music video
I saw you pull up on the wing in '92
Shook a defender who was bearing down on you
The net just rippled as the ball was going through
Oh-a-oh
They fed their numbers through a site called Synergy
Points per possession on their new technology
And they found a problem with your accuracy
Oh-a-oh
I met the gurus
Oh-a-oh
They said your shot's through
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Numbers came and broke your heart
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh
And now we meet in a digital studio
Electrodes hooked up to monitor your cardio
And you remember how the jumpers used to flow
Oh-a-oh
You hit the first one
Oh-a-oh
You hit the last one
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
On the wing but inside the arc
No long twos, dunk it or fire from afar
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
On the wing but inside the arc
No long twos, dunk it or fire from afar
Numbers came and broke your heart
Blame it all on Dean Oliver
You are a midrange star
You are a midrange star
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
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Bravo!
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Scoop at its finest
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I hope Muggsy gets the humor.
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Brew nailed it!
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Very nice!
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brew for 2!
(But only a high-quality 2 -- dunk or layup -- of course.)
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I tried to sing it but couldn't. My voice only works in the mid range.
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I’ll watch for this video on Thursday right before “Pray”.
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The floater is still effective. Morant seems to do okay with it. Back to my point which is shooting and creating off the bounce. Kolek cannot be our sole creator. We have to be able to get multiple guys attacking the paint to score or move the rock when help comes. The TK one-handed zip dime is fun to watch but against good teams they will snuff that out. It becomes telegraphed when he's not a threat to score the ball off the dribble.
So if we're not going to take wide open shots from 5-10 feet, and don't post or run a lot of back doors, if TK is not creating where are we going to get quality looks? I think (notwithstanding Brew's composition) a shot in the paint doesn't have to be a wild attack where you must get all the way to the rim if it's not there. Oso had several 6-10 footers early against CMU.
The bottom line is we must diversify our h-c offense and have good enough guards to do so. When guys vertical attack, moving the ball when help comes is the key. But there also needs to be better balance when they get to the rim, utilization of the shot fake, changing speeds off the dribble, and understanding how to draw fouls and get two freebies. It all starts with TK. He has to be a threat to score off the dribble.
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Floater is not a midrange shot. We've seen oso and sean Jones both create shots for others in the first two games. We do run a lot of back doors.
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I saw you pull up on the wing in '92
Shook a defender who was bearing down on you
The net just rippled as the ball was going through
Oh-a-oh
They fed their numbers through a site called Synergy
Points per possession on their new technology
And they found a problem with your accuracy
Oh-a-oh
I met the gurus
Oh-a-oh
They said your shot's through
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Numbers came and broke your heart
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh
And now we meet in a digital studio
Electrodes hooked up to monitor your cardio
And you remember how the jumpers used to flow
Oh-a-oh
You hit the first one
Oh-a-oh
You hit the last one
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
On the wing but inside the arc
No long twos, dunk it or fire from afar
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
On the wing but inside the arc
No long twos, dunk it or fire from afar
Numbers came and broke your heart
Blame it all on Dean Oliver
You are a midrange star
You are a midrange star
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Jojo dropped 59 yesterday with one three and mostly post makes from 5-10 feet.
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Brew my man, that's the best post I've seen here in about five years.
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Floater is not a midrange shot. We've seen oso and sean Jones both create shots for others in the first two games. We do run a lot of back doors.
We need to do a better job with balance and the shot fake in the paint.
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Jojo dropped 59 yesterday with one three and mostly post makes from 5-10 feet.
Too bad Joel Embiid doesn’t play at Marquette
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Jojo dropped 59 yesterday with one three and mostly post makes from 5-10 feet.
Those aren't midrange jumpers, which happen outside the key.
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Those aren't midrange jumpers, which happen outside the key.
I mean fine but this is somewhat semantics. The fact is guys are going to sag on TK because he struggles to score off the dribble. He can't walk into a three, it's almost always a catch and shoot.
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Too bad Joel Embiid doesn’t play at Marquette
He should have went to MU.
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He should have went to MU.
Buzz cooled on him
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I hope Muggsy gets the humor.
[Narrator] He didn't
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I mean fine but this is somewhat semantics.
No it really isn't semantics. Embiid scoring a bunch of baskets in the key does not mean that the mid-range jumper is back or anything because those aren't mid-range jumpers.
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We need to do a better job with balance and the shot fake in the paint.
We're shooting about billion% at the rim (which isn't impressive considering the competition so far). Shot faking in the paint hasn't been a problem.
I know you long for the days of back to the basket centers and mid range jumpers but you will not see them at MU again as long as Shaka is coach.
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I saw you pull up on the wing in '92
Shook a defender who was bearing down on you
The net just rippled as the ball was going through
Oh-a-oh
They fed their numbers through a site called Synergy
Points per possession on their new technology
And they found a problem with your accuracy
Oh-a-oh
I met the gurus
Oh-a-oh
They said your shot's through
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Numbers came and broke your heart
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh
And now we meet in a digital studio
Electrodes hooked up to monitor your cardio
And you remember how the jumpers used to flow
Oh-a-oh
You hit the first one
Oh-a-oh
You hit the last one
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
On the wing but inside the arc
No long twos, dunk it or fire from afar
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh
Oh-a-oh-oh-oh
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
On the wing but inside the arc
No long twos, dunk it or fire from afar
Numbers came and broke your heart
Blame it all on Dean Oliver
You are a midrange star
You are a midrange star
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
Analytics killed the midrange jumper
This is the best.
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That was amazing brew. Well done.
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Glad everyone enjoyed. Love that song, and when I saw Newsy's post I couldn't resist.
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Glad everyone enjoyed. Love that song, and when I saw Newsy's post I couldn't resist.
Please record it and post it on YouTube.
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I hope Muggsy gets the humor.
Obviously no
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One day, maybe.
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Obviously no
Did it go over his head?
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Did it go over his head?
Hey, I'm short....
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I'll cover you. I assume you're good for it?
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I'll cover you. I assume you're good for it?
Thanks, beer?
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Done.
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Hey, I'm short....
But you can dunk
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We should really go back to taking those inefficient shots morsell would take last year. Especially because morsell was good at them and the rest of this team isn’t good at them.
You take an open midrange shot only when a contested three or contested layup arnt available.
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But you can dunk
;D
Donuts in coffee
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Agree, awesome post.
Brew my man, that's the best post I've seen here in about five years.
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We should really go back to taking those inefficient shots morsell would take last year. Especially because morsell was good at them and the rest of this team isn’t good at them.
You take an open midrange shot only when a contested three or contested layup arnt available.
Do you mean only take a mid-range shot when threes and lay-ups are contested? I don't disagree with that but the problem is when we go into offensive droughts most of our shots are contested threes or lay-ups.
My whole point is about how to get quality shots against good teams that take away TK's passing? Instead of rational answers to this potentially catastrophic problem, the thread turned into a Weird Al/Buggies parody while simultaneously attacking me and fellow citizens who are diminutive.
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We should really go back to taking those inefficient shots morsell would take last year. Especially because morsell was good at them and the rest of this team isn’t good at them.
You take an open midrange shot only when a contested three or contested layup arnt available.
I can see Joplin having the greenlight to shoot some mid-range. But clearly the strategy is 3's or at the basket shots as an offensively philosophy, which is a good one.
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No it really isn't semantics. Embiid scoring a bunch of baskets in the key does not mean that the mid-range jumper is back or anything because those aren't mid-range jumpers.
Well it is, but semantics are important.
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Please record it and post it on YouTube.
Obviously no.
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Please record it and post it on YouTube.
Billy's right. No one wants that.
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Billy's right. No one wants that.
I'll watch
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We're top-5 in the country in Shot Quality points per possession. That means we're creating and taking good shots, they just aren't falling. There were at least 14 points off wide open shots that Kolek created and were missed against Radford.
The system is doing what it's supposed to do, we just need the players to convert.
Question about the Shot Quality points per possession. Who sends them this data to input. One of the data points is defender closeout.
https://shotquality.com/stats-explained (https://shotquality.com/stats-explained)
Curious on how that is measured and if teams do send it, how reliable is it (kind of like home teams tracking assists)
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I'll watch
Scoop Idol awaits
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It’s fair to ask the question of how we can score beyond catch-and-shoot 3s and layups/dunks.
We’ll play a lot of well coached teams with good athletes who will take away first and second options with hedging out high or really good rotation that keeps some sort of resistance at the rim.
So, what’s the counter for Shaka?
Longer term, more skilled offensive players and more player development to help our guys get quality shots off at more angles/with less space. Marcus was a master. Not everyone needs to be him but there’s an ocean of a gap.
For now the old buzz-ism of paint touches (to force rotation) and continual spacing and movement seem to be the key to finding more shots 10 feet and in or back at the arc.
It’ll be interesting to see how strategies like playing Stevie, Cam and TK together can lead to more of that.
Also, how point-forward Oso can mix up the rotations teams expect to make.
Or how raw, blazing speed or a stretch 5 can shift things up off the bench.
Should be fun to watch.
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I think over the past year we have seen a number of games where we go into brick city mode/offensive lulls. Now obviously college hoops is a game of runs, and we're not alone in stretches of offensive ineptitude, but I think we need to do a better job of consistent shot selection in our h-c offense.
Furthermore, most guys are more comfortable in catch and shoots versus rising and firing a J off the bounce. Kolek in particular is way, way, more comfortable spot shooting. I think Kam and DJop have a bit of a step-back but In general we struggle shooting off the dribble from my observations.
We need more control on the floater or stop and pop from mid-range. When we are in the half-court, and need a bucket or a three, what exactly would you be drawing up in these scenarios other than Kolek zipping a dime against unprepared opponents? My concern are these offense droughts, which more often than not have been a result of early launches from deep, or acting like Bison in Yellowstone with downhill attacks. Passing off the dribble should be far more fluid imo.
I stand by my comments and think we saw exactly why I have drought concerns. An open 10 footer is a better shot than a contested three or deep three.
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I stand by my comments and think we saw exactly why I have drought concerns. An open 10 footer is a better shot than a contested three or deep three.
You didn't say open 10 footer yesterday. You said "stop and pop from mid-range". A 10 footer is not mid-range, it's well in the paint or just outside it from the sides. We shot a lot of 10 footers today that were open or appeared open. Edey erased or altered a lot of them.
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You didn't say open 10 footer yesterday. You said "stop and pop from mid-range". A 10 footer is not mid-range, it's well in the paint or just outside it from the sides. We shot a lot of 10 footers today that were open or appeared open. Edey erased or altered a lot of them.
Okay. I think of shots between lay-uos abd triples as mid-range.
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This team desperately misses Justin Lewis and his ability to create offense off the dribble. Just one player like that can create so much space for the rest of the team. Kolek, Kam, Joplin, and (theoretically) Ben Gold would feel like plenty under Lewis’s gravitational pull.
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This team desperately misses Justin Lewis and his ability to create offense off the dribble. Just one player like that can create so much space for the rest of the team. Kolek, Kam, Joplin, and (theoretically) Ben Gold would feel like plenty under Lewis’s gravitational pull.
Huge loss for sure.
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Okay. I think of shots between lay-uos abd triples as mid-range.
Well that explains a lot. That is not what mid-range means. Mid-range are jumpshots taken outside the key but inside the three point line. Typically they are 15-23 foot shots
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Well that explains a lot. That is not what mid-range means. Mid-range are jumpshots taken outside the key but inside the three point line. Typically they are 15-23 foot shots
Fair enough. We shot terribly tonight from both inside and outside the arc.
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Mugs is correct. A 10 footer is absolutely a mid range shot.
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Mugs is correct. A 10 footer is absolutely a mid range shot.
Well, no. TAMU has the definition that most coaches use.
https://www.nba.com/news/derozan-durant-lead-top-10-mid-range-scorers
"That theory has left the mid-range – the area inside the 3-point line but outside the key – as the dead zone on the floor, the least efficient shot in the game, the lava in the basketball version of Floor is Lava."
https://flowingdata.com/2019/01/15/goodbye-mid-range-shot/
"There’s a space on the basketball court called “mid-range.” It’s in between the three-point line and the key (the rectangular area around the basket). You never see players shoot from this “mid-range” area, but it’s actually not off-limits. In fact, people used to shoot these “mid-range” shots."
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Mugs is correct. A 10 footer is absolutely a mid range shot.
You realize that a free throw is a 15 footer right? A 10 footer can be a mid range shot but only from near the baseline
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You realize that a free throw is a 15 footer right? A 10 footer can be a mid range shot but only from near the baseline
I do realize that a free throw is 15 feet. What's the point?
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I do realize that a free throw is 15 feet. What's the point?
So if a free throw is 15 feet and mid-range is between the paint and the three point line....what would most 10 foot shots be?
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So if a free throw is 15 feet and mid-range is between the paint and the three point line....what would most 10 foot shots be?
Time for someone to break out the compass and slide rule, and Pythagorean theorem...math nerds attack!!!!
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We rarely take shots inside the paint that aren't one footers other than Oso and Kolek's running shot putt floaters. These are just facts. If you want ti attack me over the mid-range terminology that's fine but we have ro find a way to score the ball from inside the arc and in the paint. I watched the end of both Kansas/Duke and UNLV/Dayton. In both games the best players on the floor put their head down multiple times down the stretch and got 8-12 foot jumpers in the paint. If Mitchell and OMax are hesitant to shoot off the dribble, and in the paint, we have enormous problems. They cannot be on the floor for 25 mins and not to look to score.
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We rarely take shots inside the paint that aren't one footers other than Oso and Kolek's running shot putt floaters. These are just facts. If you want ti attack me over the mid-range terminology that's fine but we have ro find a way to score the ball from inside the arc and in the paint. I watched the end of both Kansas/Duke and UNLV/Dayton. In both games the best players on the floor put their head down multiple times down the stretch and got 8-12 foot jumpers in the paint. If Mitchell and OMax are hesitant to shoot off the dribble, and in the paint, we have enormous problems. They cannot be on the floor for 25 mins and not to look to score.
I think most people would agree that those 8-12 foot jumpers in the paint are important.
But those aren't mid-range jumpers by definition. And no one is "attacking" you. No need to be a victim here.
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We rarely take shots inside the paint that aren't one footers other than Oso and Kolek's running shot putt floaters. These are just facts. If you want ti attack me over the mid-range terminology that's fine but we have ro find a way to score the ball from inside the arc and in the paint. I watched the end of both Kansas/Duke and UNLV/Dayton. In both games the best players on the floor put their head down multiple times down the stretch and got 8-12 foot jumpers in the paint. If Mitchell and OMax are hesitant to shoot off the dribble, and in the paint, we have enormous problems. They cannot be on the floor for 25 mins and not to look to score.
Muggsy, you have been very vocal about people "attacking" you lately. People disagreeing with you or providing another perspective from you or clarifying the terminology that you use is not an "attack". Fans can disagree, it doesn't mean you're being attacked.
There were more 10 footers last night than your giving credit for but no it's not a big part of our offense. It's never going to be. I don't think it's a very big part of Duke, Kansas, UNLV, or Dayton's offense either. You are misremembering the Kansas/Duke game. They combined to go 0/11 on 2 point jumpers over the last 12:22 of the game, so no down the stretch they were not putting their heads down and getting 8-12 foot jumpers multiple times. I didn't watch UNLV/Dayton but glancing at the box it looks like UNLV had a very good jumpshooting 2nd half and Dayton was abysmal.
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(https://i.imgur.com/kXOH0DO.png)
10' radius around the basket.
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There's a lot of rabble in this thread about where we shoot from, despite the fact thats not even close to our problem. We've gotten a ton of open looks from all the floor, especially 3. We just haven't hit them yet.
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There's a lot of rabble in this thread about where we shoot from, despite the fact thats not even close to our problem. We've gotten a ton of open looks from all the floor, especially 3. We just haven't hit them yet.
Agreed, we got all the wide open looks on offense we needed to win that game in a tough environment. Hopefully the team develops, their confidence grows and a few more go in as the season goes on. I’m very encouraged by last night’s performance.
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(https://i.imgur.com/kXOH0DO.png)
10' radius around the basket.
I would prefer more makes from the commercial advertising area.
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I would prefer more makes from the commercial advertising area.
Kam seems to like shooting em from that area
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I would prefer more makes from the commercial advertising area.
More makes or more takes?
(https://i.imgur.com/Ub34XDI.png)
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I would prefer more makes from the commercial advertising area.
That's Rowseyland
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More makes or more takes?
(https://i.imgur.com/Ub34XDI.png)
More makes - it's always an open 3! And, appreciate the Arby's
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I think executing in our half-court offense is where we need to improve the most. As Shaka said last night we are not at our best when we try to score one on one. Jop and Kam have their moments as shot-makers but it's a challenge for them to score off the dribble consistently.
From my vantage point, in order to reach our ceiling, we must get multiple perimeter players scoring near double digits with solid efficiency. Kolek is our conductor, not really a scorer. Oso is playing at a tremendous level early in the season. Between Kam, Jop, Stevie, O-Max, and Ross can we get the points necessary against the tier one ball-clubs? Either Kam or Jop have to usurp the #1 scoring role or we we have to get it done by committee. All this said I would be imploring OMax and Stevie to be far more aggressive in our offense and get more shots from high percentage spots. Both are quite capable if they are under control and square up with no hesitation.
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Muggsy, you might want to shield your eyes from this tweet.
https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/1593671303260770310
This is the plan. Everything in the paint or beyond the three point line.
Last season at the same point in the season we were shooting 32/102 (~31.4%). That was three sub-30% performances and a scorching 13/32 performance against Ole Miss. We finished the season shooting 243/698 (~34.8%).
This season we're shooting ~31.5% through 4 games with three 31% or better performances and an ice cold 5/19 performance against Radford. I expect a similar pattern to last season.
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I think the increased shots at the rim shown in this small sample size is probably due to Oso's passing to cutters.
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Muggsy, you might want to shield your eyes from this tweet.
https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/1593671303260770310
This is the plan. Everything in the paint or beyond the three point line.
Last season at the same point in the season we were shooting 32/102 (~31.4%). That was three sub-30% performances and a scorching 13/32 performance against Ole Miss. We finished the season shooting 243/698 (~34.8%).
This season we're shooting ~31.5% through 4 games with three 31% or better performances and an ice cold 5/19 performance against Radford. I expect a similar pattern to last season.
We return two players who shot better than 31.5% from three last season. One was Stevie on 0.6 attempts per game. Joplin is obviously a better shooter than the 29% he shot last year. But given the quality of the shots Kam is taking, I don't see him getting to just shy of 40% from 3 this season, so those things somewhat cancel each other out.
Beyond that, I don't see anybody who's going to really help our three point shooting percentage. Hopefully someday Ben Gold and Sean Jones get there, but I don't think they're going to be making a lot of three pointers this year. And I just don't see Stevie, OMax, Chase, Kolek, Wrightsil, Oso, or Keeyan as good shooters, at all. I'd be thrilled if any of them finish about 33% on more than 1.5 attempts per game this year. We simply have a bad shooting roster.
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Well, the cool part is that they will all get plenty of opportunities. And nobody gets better without reps.
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Muggsy, you might want to shield your eyes from this tweet.
https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/1593671303260770310
This is the plan. Everything in the paint or beyond the three point line.
Last season at the same point in the season we were shooting 32/102 (~31.4%). That was three sub-30% performances and a scorching 13/32 performance against Ole Miss. We finished the season shooting 243/698 (~34.8%).
This season we're shooting ~31.5% through 4 games with three 31% or better performances and an ice cold 5/19 performance against Radford. I expect a similar pattern to last season.
I stated higher percentage shots,. We can get higher percentage 3's and 2's without shooting 10-15 footers or whatever you call mid-range. Kam Jones shooting from 30 feet after bringing the ball up the floor is a poor percentage shot. Wild shots in the paint where guys are off balanced and not using great footwork or a shot fake vs the teeth of a defense are poor percentage shots. Guys launching 5 secs after they come off the bench like they're Steph Curry or Ray Allen are poor percentage shots. Our shooting percentage off the dribble has to be inordinately low minus the gimme transition hoops. My feeling is we need to diversify our offense, with more touches for Oso in the mid-post and better screening off the ball. I believe strongly that all 5 of our starters can score and must be a threat to score in order to be contenders. That's all I'm saying.
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Send your resume to Shaka. When Coach Smith gets a HC gig, you can take over the offense.
Particularly with the top 6, there is near constant movement off the ball. When Oso has it in the mid and high post, he is always looking for cutters. When that doesn't happen, they have a plan and pattern for the hand off, immediately then looking for a cut and/or a pick and roll.
It was less successful against a good team on the road with a 7'4 roadblock in the lane. Oops. All we can do is watch and hope they get one day, one rep, better.
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We return two players who shot better than 31.5% from three last season. One was Stevie on 0.6 attempts per game. Joplin is obviously a better shooter than the 29% he shot last year. But given the quality of the shots Kam is taking, I don't see him getting to just shy of 40% from 3 this season, so those things somewhat cancel each other out.
Beyond that, I don't see anybody who's going to really help our three point shooting percentage. Hopefully someday Ben Gold and Sean Jones get there, but I don't think they're going to be making a lot of three pointers this year. And I just don't see Stevie, OMax, Chase, Kolek, Wrightsil, Oso, or Keeyan as good shooters, at all. I'd be thrilled if any of them finish about 33% on more than 1.5 attempts per game this year. We simply have a bad shooting roster.
His freshman year Justin Lewis was a 21.9% 3pt shooter at 1.5 attempts per game. He shot 34.9% on 5.2 attempts per game his sophomore year.
The year before coming to Marquette Darryl Moresell was a 25.5% shooter at 1.8 attempts per game. He was a career 26.7% 3P shooter through 4 seasons. He shot 34.7% on 4 attempts per game his grad year.
His freshman year O-Max Prosper was a 16.7% shooter on 0.8 attempts per game. He shot 31.7% on 1.9 attempts per game his sophomore year.
So why can members of last year's team improve their shooting but members of this year's team can't?
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I stated higher percentage shots,. We can get higher percentage 3's and 2's without shooting 10-15 footers or whatever you call mid-range. Kam Jones shooting from 30 feet after bringing the ball up the floor is a poor percentage shot. Wild shots in the paint where guys are off balanced and not using great footwork or a shot fake vs the teeth of a defense are poor percentage shots. Guys launching 5 secs after they come off the bench like they're Steph Curry or Ray Allen are poor percentage shots. Our shooting percentage off the dribble has to be inordinately low minus the gimme transition hoops. My feeling is we need to diversify our offense, with more touches for Oso in the mid-post and better screening off the ball. I believe strongly that all 5 of our starters can score and must be a threat to score in order to be contenders. That's all I'm saying.
Well you've stated a lot of things actually, not just higher percentage shots. You won't get any argument from me or others that we can work on our shot selection, particularly Kam. I just challenge the idea that mid-range shots are going to be how we improve. You'd be surprised, those "wild shots in the paint where guys are off balanced and not using great footwork or a shot fake vs the teeth of a defense" are often more efficient shots than open long 2s because they have a higher change of drawing fouls.
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His freshman year Justin Lewis was a 21.9% 3pt shooter at 1.5 attempts per game. He shot 34.9% on 5.2 attempts per game his sophomore year.
The year before coming to Marquette Darryl Moresell was a 25.5% shooter at 1.8 attempts per game. He was a career 26.7% 3P shooter through 4 seasons. He shot 34.7% on 4 attempts per game his grad year.
His freshman year O-Max Prosper was a 16.7% shooter on 0.8 attempts per game. He shot 31.7% on 1.9 attempts per game his sophomore year.
So why can members of last year's team improve their shooting but members of this year's team can't?
They can. I don't expect it.
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They can. I don't expect it.
Well that's silly. Most players improve from year to year. Most don't improve dramatically but most at least get a little better.
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Well that's silly. Most players improve from year to year. Most don't improve dramatically but most at least get a little better.
Being under 33% on 1.5 attempts per game would still be an improvement for just about everyone on this roster. Unfortunately. So I guess I do think they can improve. Just only to the point where they're still bad shooters.
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Well you've stated a lot of things actually, not just higher percentage shots. You won't get any argument from me or others that we can work on our shot selection, particularly Kam. I just challenge the idea that mid-range shots are going to be how we improve. You'd be surprised, those "wild shots in the paint where guys are off balanced and not using great footwork or a shot fake vs the teeth of a defense" are often more efficient shots than open long 2s because they have a higher change of drawing fouls.
Well, we have to get more guys scoring the ball on a consistent basis. Perhaps more productive rim runs will get us more free throws. Anyway, I think because we don't really have a guy who can iso ball at a super high level we have to be more disciplined and share the ball. Maybe the sample size isn't large enough but our threes off of atch and shoots vs those off the dribble seem to be night and day. We have four huge n-c games coming up. Hopefully we are 3-1 at worst. Baylor is tough.
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If Kolek improves, and then starts upping the volume from beyond the arc, then everyone else will too.
Teams won’t sag, they will step out, and Tyler will get the others more open spot up looks on drive by’s.
I suspect Shaka already knows this and continues to try to encourage him the best he can by talking up his shooting ability in the media and encouraging him to take open shots rather than pass them up.
I also suspect that this is the wrong approach. I think TyKo is more wired as a competitor and would like to see Shaka call him out on his shooting to lite a fire in his arse. When one method doesn’t work, head on to the next.
Just kidding, kind of.
Maybe someone can get him to read scoop and I’ll make myself available to fire him up.