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Dish




MU Fan in Connecticut

My kid sent me a note that Xavier is finally out of the Regional category and into the National rankings.

4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

tower912

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It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MU82

Columbia dropped from No. 2 to No. 18 in the latest U.S. News and World Report college rankings, after admitting to miscalculating data in its submissions to the ratings.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

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WhiteTrash

These rankings are 'click bait'. Nothing more.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: MU82 on September 13, 2022, 11:10:34 AM
Columbia dropped from No. 2 to No. 18 in the latest U.S. News and World Report college rankings, after admitting to miscalculating data in its submissions to the ratings.

Villanova Law got penalized in the US News Law School rankings for doing the same a few years back.

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/blog/jeff-blumenthal/2011/03/after-scandal-villanova-law-falls-in.html

Of course, people now start to question the rankings only after an Ivy school gets penalized.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 13, 2022, 11:32:20 AM
These rankings are 'click bait'. Nothing more.

maybe so, but a lot of parents still rely on them when their kids are choosing a college, especially as the cost of higher education rises.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

muwarrior69

#11
Princeton will not charge tuition for students whose family income is under a 100k per year and will charge only 12k for those between 100k and 150k. Seems like they are the first University to realize tuition costs are beyond what most middle class families can afford. Of course with their large endowment they can afford to do this. Not to mention their acceptance rate. They are #1 on the ranking to no ones surprise.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/princeton-finally-offers-free-tuition-for-lower-earners-why-dont-all-colleges

wadesworld

Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 13, 2022, 03:35:47 PM
Princeton will not charge tuition for students whose family income is under a 100k per year and will charge only 12k for those between 100k and 150k. Seems like they are the first University to realize tuition costs are beyond what most middle class families can afford. Of course with their large endowment they can afford to do this. Not to mention their acceptance rate. They are #1 on the ranking to no ones surprise.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/princeton-finally-offers-free-tuition-for-lower-earners-why-dont-all-colleges

I don't know exactly what the costs were, but Ivy League schools have had a sliding scale that has made them much more affordable for lower income households.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 13, 2022, 03:35:47 PM
Princeton will not charge tuition for students whose family income is under a 100k per year and will charge only 12k for those between 100k and 150k. Seems like they are the first University to realize tuition costs are beyond what most middle class families can afford. Of course with their large endowment they can afford to do this. Not to mention their acceptance rate. They are #1 on the ranking to no ones surprise.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/princeton-finally-offers-free-tuition-for-lower-earners-why-dont-all-colleges

Many Ivy schools have been doing this for years based upon income. My wife's sister only paid R/B at Harvard 20 years ago. Columbia, Harvard, Yale, Princeton all had $65k or so as their threshold for no tuition. Princeton just beat everyone else to the $100k threshold.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

shoothoops

Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 13, 2022, 03:35:47 PM
Princeton will not charge tuition for students whose family income is under a 100k per year and will charge only 12k for those between 100k and 150k. Seems like they are the first University to realize tuition costs are beyond what most middle class families can afford. Of course with their large endowment they can afford to do this. Not to mention their acceptance rate. They are #1 on the ranking to no ones surprise.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/princeton-finally-offers-free-tuition-for-lower-earners-why-dont-all-colleges

This isn't new. "Opportunity Vanderbilt"started in 2009:

https://admissions.vanderbilt.edu/affordability/opportunity-vanderbilt/


forgetful

#15
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 13, 2022, 03:35:47 PM
Princeton will not charge tuition for students whose family income is under a 100k per year and will charge only 12k for those between 100k and 150k. Seems like they are the first University to realize tuition costs are beyond what most middle class families can afford. Of course with their large endowment they can afford to do this. Not to mention their acceptance rate. They are #1 on the ranking to no ones surprise.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/princeton-finally-offers-free-tuition-for-lower-earners-why-dont-all-colleges

Their #1 ranking is in part because of policies like this. Upward mobility is a significant component of the rankings. So schools that have very low costs for academically disadvantaged students get a big boost in the rankings.

Interestingly, this was done to the rankings in part due to pressure from big state schools, who faired poorer in the rankings compared to private schools. The low cost of attendance at big state schools boosted their rankings in the adjusted metrics.

There are three factors in the scoring impacted by this: Upward mobility (5%), Indebtedness (5%), and 1st year retention (4.4%).

GOO

Nursing in a tie at 29.
Like it or not, ranking drive applications.

Jay Bee

How far will we drop when they catch wind of the Marquette Madness cancellation?
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Hards Alumni

Quote from: Jay Bee on September 14, 2022, 01:42:45 PM
How far will we drop when they catch wind of the Marquette Madness cancellation?

D2

The Sultan

Quote from: GOO on September 14, 2022, 01:16:27 PM
Nursing in a tie at 29.
Like it or not, ranking drive applications.


Not as much as you would think and most of that is directed to the top 50 or so.  It does impact school selection in a tie-breaking type scenario however. 
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Uncle Rico

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Pakuni

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 14, 2022, 02:38:08 PM
What about KenPom?

Not enough data until the second semester.
Anyhow, the US News rankings are a grift built mostly upon circular methodology. They're definitely influential, just not particularly valid.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Pakuni on September 14, 2022, 02:42:59 PM
Not enough data until the second semester.
Anyhow, the US News rankings are a grift built mostly upon circular methodology. They're definitely influential, just not particularly valid.
Agreed, hence my label of 'click bait'.

BrewCity83

The shaka sign, sometimes known as "hang loose", is a gesture of friendly intent often associated with Hawaii and surf culture.

warriorchick

Quote from: GOO on September 14, 2022, 01:16:27 PM
Nursing in a tie at 29.
Like it or not, ranking drive applications.

The nursing school is not worried about applications. It already has the lowest acceptance rate of any undergraduate program at Marquette. And that is after doubling the the freshman class size over the past decade.
Have some patience, FFS.

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