2022-23 MU US News Ranking

[Herman Cain]

New ranking stayed at 83
https://today.marquette.edu/2022/09/marquette-maintains-rank-of-83rd-nationally-in-latest-u-s-news-best-colleges-rankings-university-also-ranked-12th-for-undergraduate-teaching/

[Dr. Blackheart]

New ranking stayed at 83
https://today.marquette.edu/2022/09/marquette-maintains-rank-of-83rd-nationally-in-latest-u-s-news-best-colleges-rankings-university-also-ranked-12th-for-undergraduate-teaching/

Like a pair of cement shoes, the Class of 83 continues to hold Marquette back from greatness.

[DegenerateDish]

#83Nation

[🏀]

#83Nation

[real chili 83]

IBTL

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

My kid sent me a note that Xavier is finally out of the Regional category and into the National rankings.

[4everwarriors]

Middle of da road, aina?

[tower912]

Drug down by the dental school.

[MU82]

Columbia dropped from No. 2 to No. 18 in the latest U.S. News and World Report college rankings, after admitting to miscalculating data in its submissions to the ratings.

[WhiteTrash]

These rankings are 'click bait'. Nothing more.

[Billy Hoyle]

Columbia dropped from No. 2 to No. 18 in the latest U.S. News and World Report college rankings, after admitting to miscalculating data in its submissions to the ratings.

Villanova Law got penalized in the US News Law School rankings for doing the same a few years back.

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/blog/jeff-blumenthal/2011/03/after-scandal-villanova-law-falls-in.html

Of course, people now start to question the rankings only after an Ivy school gets penalized.

These rankings are 'click bait'. Nothing more.

maybe so, but a lot of parents still rely on them when their kids are choosing a college, especially as the cost of higher education rises.

[muwarrior69]

Princeton will not charge tuition for students whose family income is under a 100k per year and will charge only 12k for those between 100k and 150k. Seems like they are the first University to realize tuition costs are beyond what most middle class families can afford. Of course with their large endowment they can afford to do this. Not to mention their acceptance rate. They are #1 on the ranking to no ones surprise.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/princeton-finally-offers-free-tuition-for-lower-earners-why-dont-all-colleges

[wadesworld]

Princeton will not charge tuition for students whose family income is under a 100k per year and will charge only 12k for those between 100k and 150k. Seems like they are the first University to realize tuition costs are beyond what most middle class families can afford. Of course with their large endowment they can afford to do this. Not to mention their acceptance rate. They are #1 on the ranking to no ones surprise.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/princeton-finally-offers-free-tuition-for-lower-earners-why-dont-all-colleges

I don't know exactly what the costs were, but Ivy League schools have had a sliding scale that has made them much more affordable for lower income households.

[Billy Hoyle]

Princeton will not charge tuition for students whose family income is under a 100k per year and will charge only 12k for those between 100k and 150k. Seems like they are the first University to realize tuition costs are beyond what most middle class families can afford. Of course with their large endowment they can afford to do this. Not to mention their acceptance rate. They are #1 on the ranking to no ones surprise.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/princeton-finally-offers-free-tuition-for-lower-earners-why-dont-all-colleges

Many Ivy schools have been doing this for years based upon income. My wife's sister only paid R/B at Harvard 20 years ago. Columbia, Harvard, Yale, Princeton all had $65k or so as their threshold for no tuition. Princeton just beat everyone else to the $100k threshold.

[shoothoops]

Princeton will not charge tuition for students whose family income is under a 100k per year and will charge only 12k for those between 100k and 150k. Seems like they are the first University to realize tuition costs are beyond what most middle class families can afford. Of course with their large endowment they can afford to do this. Not to mention their acceptance rate. They are #1 on the ranking to no ones surprise.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/princeton-finally-offers-free-tuition-for-lower-earners-why-dont-all-colleges

This isn’t new. “Opportunity Vanderbilt”started in 2009:

https://admissions.vanderbilt.edu/affordability/opportunity-vanderbilt/

[forgetful]

Princeton will not charge tuition for students whose family income is under a 100k per year and will charge only 12k for those between 100k and 150k. Seems like they are the first University to realize tuition costs are beyond what most middle class families can afford. Of course with their large endowment they can afford to do this. Not to mention their acceptance rate. They are #1 on the ranking to no ones surprise.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/princeton-finally-offers-free-tuition-for-lower-earners-why-dont-all-colleges

Their #1 ranking is in part because of policies like this. Upward mobility is a significant component of the rankings. So schools that have very low costs for academically disadvantaged students get a big boost in the rankings.

Interestingly, this was done to the rankings in part due to pressure from big state schools, who faired poorer in the rankings compared to private schools. The low cost of attendance at big state schools boosted their rankings in the adjusted metrics.

There are three factors in the scoring impacted by this: Upward mobility (5%), Indebtedness (5%), and 1st year retention (4.4%).

[GOO]

Nursing in a tie at 29.
Like it or not, ranking drive applications.

[Jay Bee]

How far will we drop when they catch wind of the Marquette Madness cancellation?

[Hards Alumni]

How far will we drop when they catch wind of the Marquette Madness cancellation?

D2

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Nursing in a tie at 29.
Like it or not, ranking drive applications.

Not as much as you would think and most of that is directed to the top 50 or so.  It does impact school selection in a tie-breaking type scenario however. 

[Uncle Rico]

What about KenPom?

[Pakuni]

What about KenPom?

Not enough data until the second semester.
Anyhow, the US News rankings are a grift built mostly upon circular methodology. They're definitely influential, just not particularly valid.

[WhiteTrash]

Not enough data until the second semester.
Anyhow, the US News rankings are a grift built mostly upon circular methodology. They're definitely influential, just not particularly valid.

Agreed, hence my label of 'click bait'.

[BrewCity83]

83 for the win!!  Locked in.

[warriorchick]

Nursing in a tie at 29.
Like it or not, ranking drive applications.

The nursing school is not worried about applications. It already has the lowest acceptance rate of any undergraduate program at Marquette. And that is after doubling the the freshman class size over the past decade.

[jesmu84]

https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/lord-of-the-rankings

[MU82]

From the daily digest I received this afternoon from the WSJ:

7,713 -- The number of lower-income students that top U.S. universities enrolled between 2015 and 2021. A group of more than 125 high-performing schools set a goal several years ago to increase that number to 50,000 by 2025. A progress report found that the Covid-19 pandemic partly wiped out early gains.

[warriorchick]

From the daily digest I received this afternoon from the WSJ:

7,713 -- The number of lower-income students that top U.S. universities enrolled between 2015 and 2021. A group of more than 125 high-performing schools set a goal several years ago to increase that number to 50,000 by 2025. A progress report found that the Covid-19 pandemic partly wiped out early gains.

How are they defining lower-income?

[MU82]

How are they defining lower-income?

Those who received Pell Grants.

Also, I'm now realizing that WSJ graphic had poor wording. What they meant to say, and what the actual article said, was:

They added just 7,713 such students between 2015 and 2021, the initiative’s progress report found, with early gains partly wiped out during the Covid-19 pandemic, when overall enrollment declined nationwide.

That's a different thing. I thought 7,713 seemed ridiculously low.

[BrewCity83]

Looks like the Business School is carrying the day.

Marquette University’s College of Business Administration earned high marks for four undergraduate programs in the U.S. News & World Report 2022-23 Best Colleges Rankings:

Accounting — No. 32
Finance — No. 22
Real Estate — No. 15
Supply Chain Management — No. 18

[PorkysButthole]

Looks like the Business School is carrying the day.

Marquette University’s College of Business Administration earned high marks for four undergraduate programs in the U.S. News & World Report 2022-23 Best Colleges Rankings:

Accounting — No. 32
Finance — No. 22
Real Estate — No. 15
Supply Chain Management — No. 18

It's great that MU is maintaining their overall National ranking but these business school rankings seem highly suspect to Porky.  An undergraduate business school with 4 different majors ranked in the top 35 programs, 2 of which are Finance and Accounting, would have an overall undergraduate business school ranking that's way higher than 108, which is where MU's college of business ended up this year.  Porky is no data scientist nor mathematician, but that seems like a huge discrepancy.   What say you engineering and computer science types about this?

[jesmu84]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/16/columbia-whistleblower-us-news-rankings-michael-thaddeus

Shocker! Algorithms can be gamed

[RJax55]

It's great that MU is maintaining their overall National ranking but these business school rankings seem highly suspect to Porky.  An undergraduate business school with 4 different majors ranked in the top 35 programs, 2 of which are Finance and Accounting, would have an overall undergraduate business school ranking that's way higher than 108, which is where MU's college of business ended up this year.  Porky is no data scientist nor mathematician, but that seems like a huge discrepancy.   What say you engineering and computer science types about this?

US News undergraduate business school program rankings are based solely on peer assessment surveys.

[PorkysButthole]

US News undergraduate business school program rankings are based solely on peer assessment surveys.

Well that makes perfect sense but it also proves that those who think these rankings are largely BS, as Porky does, are correct.  It's mostly about prestige or at least perceived prestige instead of hard data about outcomes as they should be.  Some things never change.  Still, MU has held it's own pretty well given all of the schools that have moved up to the National University category in last 3-4 years.