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Re: Norman Commits
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2022, 08:02:10 AM »
Over-recruiting is not the "new norm." It has gone on for years and years and years.

Years ago, Scoopers were talking about players getting Creaned and then Buzz-cut.


Both DJ Newbill and Aaron Durley were "cut" after signing their NLIs, but I don't believe that in either instance Marquette "oversigned."  Newbill was cut to make room for a Jamil transfer, and Durley just wasn't very good.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall MU being oversigned in at least 15 years.
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« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2022, 08:06:02 AM »
Over-recruiting is not the "new norm." It has gone on for years and years and years.

Years ago, Scoopers were talking about players getting Creaned and then Buzz-cut.

I'll concede your point, but in today's college basketball landscape it may become a necessity and that is not a bad thing.

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Re: Norman Commits
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2022, 08:39:25 AM »
Chit happens or as they say in da burbs, "items occur." Big boy basketball is big business. Sew any coach worth his weenie is gonna blast away until his best roster is in place, aina?
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Re: Norman Commits
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2022, 08:45:26 AM »
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« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2022, 08:51:12 AM »
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2007...so it meets my "at least 15 years" standard!   ;)

Were we oversigned when Buzz had the kid from Chicago who had some "burning issue" before ending up at Kansas State?
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« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2022, 08:54:03 AM »
Were we oversigned when Buzz had the kid from Chicago who had some "burning issue" before ending up at Kansas State?

That was not a Buzz cutting. That was a Larry lancing. Newbill on the other hand
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« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2022, 08:56:04 AM »
Yeah, but as I said above, Newbill wasn't an oversigning issue.  Newbill was a "we want space for a Jamil transfer" issue.
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« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2022, 08:56:22 AM »

2007...so it meets my "at least 15 years" standard!   ;)

Time flies.
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« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2022, 09:01:00 AM »
It seems like Wojo was almost always undersigned waiting for a transfer that never occurred. Which is worse? Over signed with a reason or undersigned without one?

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« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2022, 09:24:18 AM »
In this era of college hoops, the scholarships are one year contracts.  So in saying that, there’s 5 or 6 players that you can think of that might leave.  Not a problem, you will see in Feb. or March one kid will not see the court!
I have no problem, if a kid decides to leave on his own.
I have a big problem, if we have to drop somebody. It makes Shaka a hypocrite, since he emphasizes, we are family.

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« Reply #60 on: September 07, 2022, 09:27:18 AM »

Both DJ Newbill and Aaron Durley were "cut" after signing their NLIs, but I don't believe that in either instance Marquette "oversigned."  Newbill was cut to make room for a Jamil transfer, and Durley just wasn't very good.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall MU being oversigned in at least 15 years.

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« Reply #61 on: September 07, 2022, 09:27:50 AM »

Both DJ Newbill and Aaron Durley were "cut" after signing their NLIs, but I don't believe that in either instance Marquette "oversigned."  Newbill was cut to make room for a Jamil transfer, and Durley just wasn't very good.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall MU being oversigned in at least 15 years.
Buzz never let a scholarship go unused and the last one given was generally the first one gone the next year.

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Re: Norman Commits
« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2022, 09:34:32 AM »
I have no problem, if a kid decides to leave on his own.
I have a big problem, if we have to drop somebody. It makes Shaka a hypocrite, since he emphasizes, we are family.

I’ll give Shaka the benefit of the doubt on this.  He knows something that we don’t know.  Someone had to let him know this is their last season. 

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« Reply #63 on: September 07, 2022, 09:50:01 AM »
I’ll give Shaka the benefit of the doubt on this.  He knows something that we don’t know.  Someone had to let him know this is their last season.

I have been thinking this as well. The team probably has a good idea of what is going on behind the scenes. We do not.
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« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2022, 09:53:44 AM »
I have no problem, if a kid decides to leave on his own.
I have a big problem, if we have to drop somebody. It makes Shaka a hypocrite, since he emphasizes, we are family.

I mean, I'd kick some people out of my family...
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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2022, 10:01:19 AM »
I mean, I'd kick some people out of my family...
I think you might be the first one voted off your family island   8-)

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« Reply #66 on: September 07, 2022, 10:08:57 AM »
Nah, introverts never are, aina?
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« Reply #67 on: September 07, 2022, 10:15:55 AM »
I have no problem, if a kid decides to leave on his own.
I have a big problem, if we have to drop somebody. It makes Shaka a hypocrite, since he emphasizes, we are family.

Shaka absolutely is not a hypocrite. The work the he and his wife have done everywhere they have been has been on the highest of levels and more than legitimate. He wont take a transfer over a plyer who has worked his system for years. He was 100% told by the player that this is their last year.

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« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2022, 10:24:06 AM »
I think you might be the first one voted off your family island   8-)

No doubt. That's why I never put it up for a vote.
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« Reply #69 on: September 07, 2022, 10:38:12 AM »
No doubt. That's why I never put it up for a vote.
Same here.

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« Reply #70 on: September 07, 2022, 10:56:20 AM »
Tis a shame, 'tis a rotton shame, for if ye can enjoy the walkin’ ye can probably enjoy the other times in yer life when ve're in between. And that's most o' the time; wouldn't ye say?

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« Reply #71 on: September 07, 2022, 11:12:49 AM »
I’ll give Shaka the benefit of the doubt on this.  He knows something that we don’t know.  Someone had to let him know this is their last season.

I don't think Shaka would accept having a player on his team that is already planning his exit.

I think by the end of the season it will be obvious to at least one player that he will never get significant minutes at Marquette and Shaka and staff will help him find a new program where he will excel. If that player would rather stay at Marquette, they will help that player get his tuition covered and he will be able to stay at Marquette but not be a part of the basketball roster. Players are entitled to a shot, not to minutes.
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« Reply #72 on: September 07, 2022, 11:17:34 AM »
I don't think Shaka would accept having a player on his team that is already planning his exit.

I think by the end of the season it will be obvious to at least one player that he will never get significant minutes at Marquette and Shaka and staff will help him find a new program where he will excel. If that player would rather stay at Marquette, they will help that player get his tuition covered and he will be able to stay at Marquette but not be a part of the basketball roster. Players are entitled to a shot, not to minutes.

Shaka is probably taking a different job and doesn’t care either way
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« Reply #73 on: September 07, 2022, 11:31:09 AM »
I don't think Shaka would accept having a player on his team that is already planning his exit.

I think by the end of the season it will be obvious to at least one player that he will never get significant minutes at Marquette and Shaka and staff will help him find a new program where he will excel. If that player would rather stay at Marquette, they will help that player get his tuition covered and he will be able to stay at Marquette but not be a part of the basketball roster. Players are entitled to a shot, not to minutes.

After reading this, I am walking back my comments on this. Your take makes a lot of sense.

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Re: Norman Commits
« Reply #74 on: September 07, 2022, 11:32:57 AM »
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart link=topic=63570.msg1467308#msg1467308 date=
It seems like Wojo was almost always undersigned waiting for a transfer that never occurred. Which is worse? Over signed with a reason or undersigned without one?

To be fair, you actually needed the scholarship available to take a mid-year transfer because the player had to spend two semesters on campus before becoming eligible.  I didn't agree with that approach, but many here on the board thought holding a scholarship for a mid-year transfer was a great idea.

Now that we're in the age of insta-transfers, if a player leaves his team mid-year, he'll be eligible at his new school at the start of the next year without having to spend two semesters on campus.  There's no need to hold a scholarship for a mid-year transfer.

 

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