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Jockey

Quote from: lawdog77 on October 14, 2023, 06:44:51 PM
Iowa's QB  TOTALS  over the last 3 games. 23/62 for 262 yards. 3 Wins

They played 3 chumps.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on October 14, 2023, 07:20:37 PM
They played 3 chumps.

The loss by Wisconsin hurts Marquette's cause
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Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

JWags85

Quote from: lawdog77 on October 14, 2023, 06:44:51 PM
Iowa's QB  TOTALS  over the last 3 games. 23/62 for 262 yards. 3 Wins

At one point today I believe they had 6 yards in 3 drives....6 yards TOTAL


ND up 24-6 at halftime.  2 of their 3 TD drives were under 15 yards (2 yards and 12 yards). They aren't dominating but are converting mistakes.  USC can easily make it a game if Williams stops playing like an Irish Catholic mobster in Cicero is holding his family at gunpoint

MU82

Caleb Williams has been mediocre 2 weeks in a row. And USC doesn't play defense. See ya!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

tower912

#1305
He throws sidearm off his back foot as a default.   Combining Mahomes and Stafford when he doesn't need to.   He certainly looks the part, though.

Tough to be a world beater when the rush is always in your face.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MU82

This big win could propel ND all the way to the Beef O'Brady Bowl!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Dish

Like most, I like Caleb a lot, but I'm concerned the empty calories style of Lincoln Riley is getting to him.

It's interesting flipping back and forth with Maye playing at the same time. I think it's going to be a lot closer than people think as to who goes first overall. That's not a jab at Caleb, I think he just takes too many hits, and that's going to get worse at the next level.

The Sultan

Lincoln Riley is at a crossroads. He needs to drop his friend and get a real defensive coordinator in there. Otherwise the B10 is gonna kill him.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

JWags85

Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 14, 2023, 09:37:36 PM
Like most, I like Caleb a lot, but I'm concerned the empty calories style of Lincoln Riley is getting to him.

It's interesting flipping back and forth with Maye playing at the same time. I think it's going to be a lot closer than people think as to who goes first overall. That's not a jab at Caleb, I think he just takes too many hits, and that's going to get worse at the next level.

He's really good, but I can't remember an elite top QB prospect (that wasn't viewed as a project of sorts) who left me saying "what the hell was that" as much as him.  He makes some incredible throws and extends plays with his eyes making reads extremely well, but he also has had a surprisingly high number of shocking dumb throws and decisions. 

I can't believe Lincoln Riley is still only 40.  As almost as much as I can't believe Alex Grinch continues to make a career out of making so little out of elite talent at his 3rd blue blood level program

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 14, 2023, 09:46:53 PM
Lincoln Riley is at a crossroads. He needs to drop his friend and get a real defensive coordinator in there. Otherwise the B10 is gonna kill him.

I think it's possible he never coaches a game in the Big Ten
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WhiteTrash

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2023, 07:32:36 AM
I think it's possible he never coaches a game in the Big Ten
I'm intrigued. Do tell.

The Sultan

I'm sure Rico is thinking that Riley may either be fired or might look elsewhere because there are possibly 2-3 more losses on the schedule with Utah, Washington, Oregon and UCLA left to go.

But there is a lot of time and money left on that contract.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WhiteTrash

Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 14, 2023, 09:37:36 PM
Like most, I like Caleb a lot, but I'm concerned the empty calories style of Lincoln Riley is getting to him.

It's interesting flipping back and forth with Maye playing at the same time. I think it's going to be a lot closer than people think as to who goes first overall. That's not a jab at Caleb, I think he just takes too many hits, and that's going to get worse at the next level.
Even with a very good game yesterday, Maye is 31st in QBR, 12 TDs, 4 INTs. Not setting the world on fire against mediocre competition.

BUT he comes from the same school as Mitch Trubisky, so that helps.  ;)

WhiteTrash

#1314
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 15, 2023, 08:18:06 AM
I'm sure Rico is thinking that Riley may either be fired or might look elsewhere because there are possibly 2-3 more losses on the schedule with Utah, Washington, Oregon and UCLA left to go.

But there is a lot of time and money left on that contract.
I guess anything is possible but that seems like a dire reaction. Although, I saw some Bucky fans post yesterday that they have seen enough of Fickell and are ready to move on.  ::)

The Sultan

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 15, 2023, 08:24:47 AM
I guess anything is possible but that seems like a dire reaction. Although, I saw some Bucky fans post yesterday that they have seen enough of Fickle and are ready to move on.  ::)


Fickell doesn't have what he needs to run that offense. I knew they were going to be in for a longer rebuild when they brought in that OC. I'm sure the AD is on the same page.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 15, 2023, 08:18:06 AM
I'm sure Rico is thinking that Riley may either be fired or might look elsewhere because there are possibly 2-3 more losses on the schedule with Utah, Washington, Oregon and UCLA left to go.

But there is a lot of time and money left on that contract.

I think it's possible he'd look at the NFL.  His name has been mentioned there before.  His defenses are a concern but if he came aboard with an established DC, I think a lot of teams would be intrigued
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 15, 2023, 08:27:24 AM

Fickell doesn't have what he needs to run that offense. I knew they were going to be in for a longer rebuild when they brought in that OC. I'm sure the AD is on the same page.

Bold prediction:  they never have the pieces to run that offense.  High schools in Wisconsin don't run that kind of offense generally and finding linemen from the state, a staple of the last 30 years, becomes harder to fit the scheme.  Guys need to be nimble, quicker and more agile in this offense than simply maulers.
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WhiteTrash

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2023, 08:35:51 AM
Bold prediction:  they never have the pieces to run that offense.  High schools in Wisconsin don't run that kind of offense generally and finding linemen from the state, a staple of the last 30 years, becomes harder to fit the scheme.  Guys need to be nimble, quicker and more agile in this offense than simply maulers.
Very bold. I like it.

The thought Fickell could have a Sonny Dykes type effect on Wisconsin was fanciful (1st year Championship game appearance). 1. Dykes is a better coach and 2. even schools like TCU get better athletes than most BIG schools (see TCU v Michigan).

That said, I like Fickell and I think he will do very well. Maybe not CFP great but very good.

The Sultan

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2023, 08:35:51 AM
Bold prediction:  they never have the pieces to run that offense.  High schools in Wisconsin don't run that kind of offense generally and finding linemen from the state, a staple of the last 30 years, becomes harder to fit the scheme.  Guys need to be nimble, quicker and more agile in this offense than simply maulers.



He's not going to limit his recruiting to Wisconsin.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 15, 2023, 08:52:07 AM
Very bold. I like it.

The thought Fickell could have a Sonny Dykes type effect on Wisconsin was fanciful (1st year Championship game appearance). 1. Dykes is a better coach and 2. even schools like TCU get better athletes than most BIG schools (see TCU v Michigan).

That said, I like Fickell and I think he will do very well. Maybe not CFP great but very good.

He was 2-9 against top 30 teams at Cincinnati.  Part of the fanbase and media don't like he's not a Wisconsin guy.  If he doesn't have a big season next year, things will get very interesting
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 15, 2023, 08:55:56 AM

He's not going to limit his recruiting to Wisconsin.

I know that.  What made Wisconsin, Wisconsin football was mauling opponents.  Recruiting elite athletes versus SEC schools, Ohio State and the like?  I'll believe it when I see it
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Herman Cain

#1322
Badgers established Nebraska style of recruiting system when Barry Alvarez ( who was a Nebraska player) came on board . Fits the core recruiting well. Get in state lineman walk ons , give the best a scholarship when earned . Allows the school to save more scholarship for skills players from major metros. That is why Badgers had non stop flow of great running backs and linebackers

That formula worked in its day. Now with NIL it may need to be updated but not wholesale changed .
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

brewcity77

Quote from: Herman Cain on October 15, 2023, 10:49:32 AM
Badgers established Nebraska offense system when Barry Alvarez ( who was a Nebraska assistant) came on board . Fits the core recruiting well. Get in state lineman walk ons , give the best a scholarship when earned . Allows the school to save more scholarship for skills players from major metros. That is why Badgers had non stop flow of great running backs and linebackers

That formula worked in its day. Now with NIL it may need to be updated but not wholesale changed .

No, he wasn't. He was a Notre Dame assistant. He played at Nebraska...23 years before he got to Wisconsin and before Tom Osborne took the helm in Lincoln. Alvarez never coached above the high school level in the state of Nebraska.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: brewcity77 on October 15, 2023, 11:05:55 AM
No, he wasn't. He was a Notre Dame assistant. He played at Nebraska...23 years before he got to Wisconsin and before Tom Osborne took the helm in Lincoln. Alvarez never coached above the high school level in the state of Nebraska.

Nebraska ran the I-formation and option offense with athletically skilled QBs.  Alvarez played at Nebraska before they ran that kind of offense.

Also, Alvarez cut his teeth as an assistant under Hayden Fry at Iowa.

The only thing Wisconsin had in common with Nebraska was the steroid use.

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