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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Herman Cain on August 09, 2022, 05:45:51 PM
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Alabama is number one in the Coaches Pre- Season Poll. Ohio State two and Georgia 3.
Badgers are 20
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/polls/coaches-poll/2022-2023/2022-08-08/
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Alabama is number one in the Coaches Pre- Season Poll. Ohio State two and Georgia 3.
Badgers are 20
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/polls/coaches-poll/2022-2023/2022-08-08/
Bama and OSU are favored by double digits in the initial lines for all their games. Crazy.
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Five teams are favored in all their games.
Bama
OSU
Georgia
Utah
Air Force (?)
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Alabama is number one in the Coaches Pre- Season Poll. Ohio State two and Georgia 3.
Badgers are 20
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/polls/coaches-poll/2022-2023/2022-08-08/
Oh look, the top 5 are 5 of the 6 teams with multiple CFP appearances. The 6th is in the top 10. How exciting
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Oh look, the top 5 are 5 of the 6 teams with multiple CFP appearances. The 6th is in the top 10. How exciting
Sorta like the Premier League ;D
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Why the playoffs need expansion.
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If only Marquette would bring back football, we'd be favored in every game.
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Michigan is incredibly overrated at 6. Plus they have a joke of a schedule until mid October so the Walmart’s will be out in full force this fall
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https://twitter.com/swmckewonowh/status/1560438705067802635?s=21&t=TspT1XtoOq1-qlUCdkbP4A
Puking their way to glory. Love it
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https://twitter.com/swmckewonowh/status/1560438705067802635?s=21&t=TspT1XtoOq1-qlUCdkbP4A
Puking their way to glory. Love it
"It's not because they're not in shape"...yea ok Scott
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https://twitter.com/swmckewonowh/status/1560438705067802635?s=21&t=TspT1XtoOq1-qlUCdkbP4A
Puking their way to glory. Love it
As an avid husker hater I love every word of this article.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2022/08/18/irish-fans-set-for-the-full-college-football-experience-as-notorious-nebraska-cornhuskers-come-to-town/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2022/08/18/irish-fans-set-for-the-full-college-football-experience-as-notorious-nebraska-cornhuskers-come-to-town/)
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Michigan is incredibly overrated at 6. Plus they have a joke of a schedule until mid October so the Walmart’s will be out in full force this fall
Michigan and ND are the most overrated teams in preseason polls. I doubt either finish in the top 10. Though one thing Michigan has going for them is stable QB play, a relatively new phenomenon for Harbaugh.
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Michigan and ND are the most overrated teams in preseason polls. I doubt either finish in the top 10. Though one thing Michigan has going for them is stable QB play, a relatively new phenomenon for Harbaugh.
Michigan has a dynamic backfield and a ton of depth at WR. Their bigger concern is on the other side of the ball. Questions on the edge and secondary. They could be an 11-win team or regress to 8-9 wins
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Michigan has a dynamic backfield and a ton of depth at WR. Their bigger concern is on the other side of the ball. Questions on the edge and secondary. They could be an 11-win team or regress to 8-9 wins
I think the solace there for Michigan supporters is the fact that every year Harbaugh has been there, aside from the COVID year, Michigan has had a top 5, at worst top 10, defense in yards allowed. A top 20 scoring defense every year. Given the relative strength of their recruiting, it makes sense that they reload.
Returning almost everyone key on offense, outside of Haskins, I get why optimism is high. I don't think they are really that overrated at all. Maybe if last year had been another disappointing one instead of the best Michigan season in 20 years.
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I think the solace there for Michigan supporters is the fact that every year Harbaugh has been there, aside from the COVID year, Michigan has had a top 5, at worst top 10, defense in yards allowed. A top 20 scoring defense every year. Given the relative strength of their recruiting, it makes sense that they reload.
Returning almost everyone key on offense, outside of Haskins, I get why optimism is high. I don't think they are really that overrated at all. Maybe if last year had been another disappointing one instead of the best Michigan season in 20 years.
Their defense is like most Big 14 or 16 or whatever defenses. Good against league teams, exposed against faster and bigger teams. I think those numbers are inflated by the teams they play more than anything. Even last year, they got exposed at times in the Ohio State game. Lots of talented kids go through there, not enough dynamic athletes to compete against truly elite teams
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Huskers showing some fight against Northwestern. Frost needs to produce this year , or else he’s gone
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UNC and Florida State playing FCS opponents today
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Don’t understand why The Huskers tried an on side kick in third quarter with the lead. Wildcats got possession in good field position and scored
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Don’t understand why The Huskers tried an on side kick in third quarter with the lead. Wildcats got possession in good field position and scored
It’s one of those plays that if it works, Frost is heralded for boldness (like Sean Payton in SB) and for going for the jugular. But yeah, Nebraska had all the momentum and it went buh-bye.
Not all that impressed with several of Fitzgerald’s decisions, either.
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Ha ha husker nation. Another loss in a one score games despite being 11 pt favorites. Season over before it starts. Long live Scott Frost.
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I love it. You should’ve seen how empty my Costco was at lunch today. Might be harder to find tee times than I thought it’d be this fall.
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The Husker need to give their backup QB more time , he is a dual threat quarterback who can at least throw a spiral . Their first stringer was throwing wounded ducks all game
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It’s one of those plays that if it works, Frost is heralded for boldness (like Sean Payton in SB) and for going for the jugular. But yeah, Nebraska had all the momentum and it went buh-bye.
Not all that impressed with several of Fitzgerald’s decisions, either.
Except Payton did it with a 13-3 team. Frost did it coming off back to back 3 win seasons and an abysmal record in one score games. Even if it worked I feel like it would have been needlessly risky. Dude is flailing
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I'm glad to see Jason Benetti bolted ESPN for Fox.
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Illinois will win the Big Ten West
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Except Payton did it with a 13-3 team. Frost did it coming off back to back 3 win seasons and an abysmal record in one score games. Even if it worked I feel like it would have been needlessly risky. Dude is flailing
My guess is Frost may not even survive the season. The Wolves are circling.
https://www.si.com/college/2022/08/27/scott-frost-asked-if-hed-consider-stepping-down-from-nebraska
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My guess is Frost may not even survive the season. The Wolves are circling.
https://www.si.com/college/2022/08/27/scott-frost-asked-if-hed-consider-stepping-down-from-nebraska
Nebraska got paid by joining the Big Ten but lost its last chance at being Nebraska again. They should achieve to be Iowa or Wisconsin. Their days as a blue blood are over
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Nebraska got paid by joining the Big Ten but lost its last chance at being Nebraska again. They should achieve to be Iowa or Wisconsin. Their days as a blue blood are over
They fell off even before the B10. They've not finished in the top 10 in 20+ years. And its just not a sexy brand.
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They fell off even before the B10. They've not finished in the top 10 in 20+ years. And its just not a sexy brand.
True but I compare them to Oklahoma. OU wandered the wilderness post-Switzer until Stoops got there. Nebraska at least was in the Big XII title game before leaving.
I think cultural fit matters for these schools and it’s why Maryland and Syracuse have lost their basketball identity
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True but I compare them to Oklahoma. OU wandered the wilderness post-Switzer until Stoops got there. Nebraska at least was in the Big XII title game before leaving.
I think cultural fit matters for these schools and it’s why Maryland and Syracuse have lost their basketball identity
Oklahoma feasts on Texas recruiting wise. Nebraska could never really do that.
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Oklahoma feasts on Texas recruiting wise. Nebraska could never really do that.
I think they had a better chance doing that staying in the Big XII than in the Big Ten but that’s just conjecture, of course. They don’t have an identity anymore other than what was
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I think they had a better chance doing that staying in the Big XII than in the Big Ten but that’s just conjecture, of course. They don’t have an identity anymore other than what was
You are probably right. When they were at their peak, they recruited Florida tremendously.
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You are probably right. When they were at their peak, they recruited Florida tremendously.
I think it was California, too. Either way, they need the right guy as a head coach and that’s easier said than done. They need to quit chasing what was and figure out what they are now.
If they Big Ten West stayed as is, I’d focus on how they beat Wisconsin and Iowa but they’ll be restarting again with a new coach and a new alignment. Just a mess
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Except Payton did it with a 13-3 team. Frost did it coming off back to back 3 win seasons and an abysmal record in one score games. Even if it worked I feel like it would have been needlessly risky. Dude is flailing
I’m not disagreeing. I wouldn’t have done it. But if it worked, he’d have been “bold, aggressive and confident.”
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I’m not disagreeing. I wouldn’t have done it. But if it worked, he’d have been “bold, aggressive and confident.”
Yeah. It was a good play
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Sure…
Illinois will win the Big Ten West
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Sure…
#donedeal
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https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2022/08/tim-tebow-reveals-his-cfp-national-championship-pick.html?outputType=amp
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https://twitter.com/AlisonPosey14/status/1564336634358861825?s=20&t=DTz9TLn57hYHzEJCBTljDA
Pretty brutal summary of the athletic administration mishaps impacting the Florida A&M football team.
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https://twitter.com/AlisonPosey14/status/1564336634358861825?s=20&t=DTz9TLn57hYHzEJCBTljDA
Pretty brutal summary of the athletic administration mishaps impacting the Florida A&M football team.
The olds made the rules and these kids need to live by them
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I don’t often root for The Ohio State University, but I’ll be pulling for them to win by at least 5 TDs this week.
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@PeteThamel: Sources: The CFP Board of Managers has decided on a 12-team College Football Playoff during today's meeting.
@PeteThamel: The 12-team model is expected to start in 2026, after the current contract, according to a source. There's still a chance that it could go earlier, but those details are complicated and would take some time to work out. https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1565776097274236928
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@PeteThamel: Sources: The CFP Board of Managers has decided on a 12-team College Football Playoff during today's meeting.
Excellent.
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@PeteThamel: Sources: The CFP Board of Managers has decided on a 12-team College Football Playoff during today's meeting.
@PeteThamel: The 12-team model is expected to start in 2026, after the current contract, according to a source. There's still a chance that it could go earlier, but those details are complicated and would take some time to work out. https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1565776097274236928
Great news. I might actually pay attention to college football in the future!
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@PeteThamel: Sources: The CFP Board of Managers has decided on a 12-team College Football Playoff during today's meeting.
@PeteThamel: The 12-team model is expected to start in 2026, after the current contract, according to a source. There's still a chance that it could go earlier, but those details are complicated and would take some time to work out. https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1565776097274236928
The football team that survives this is truly a Champion.
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I think I'd have liked 8 teams better, but either 8 or 12 is better than the current system.
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Doesn't change much. It'll still be Bama, Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson and then maybe a random school once every 5-10 years (Oregon, Auburn, Florida State, LSU, etc.). Just adds one more blowout win for those top 4 teams. See what they do to Notre Dame or Cincinnati when those two teams sneak into the semifinals.
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Doesn't change much. It'll still be Bama, Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson and then maybe a random school once every 5-10 years (Oregon, Auburn, Florida State, LSU, etc.). Just adds one more blowout win for those top 4 teams. See what they do to Notre Dame or Cincinnati when those two teams sneak into the semifinals.
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Yup. Coaching turnover will be greater, too
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Yup. Coaching turnover will be greater, too
I think it may help coaching turnover go down a little bit. I'm thinking of Dan Mullen and Florida. In an expanded playoff, Florida likely gets the nod in 2019. If that's the case, does Mullen survive his bad season last year? I think he might have.
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I think it may help coaching turnover go down a little bit. I'm thinking of Dan Mullen and Florida. In an expanded playoff, Florida likely gets the nod in 2019. If that's the case, does Mullen survive his bad season last year? I think he might have.
Coaches not making a 12-team playoff regularly will be getting sent to the moon. It’ll be a bloodbath in the SEC
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Coaches not making a 12-team playoff regularly will be getting sent to the moon.
They’d be well on their way to Mars then!
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Coaches not making a 12-team playoff regularly will be getting sent to the moon. It’ll be a bloodbath in the SEC
I feel like it is already. I guess it could get worse.
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I feel like it is already. I guess it could get worse.
I think places like Texas A&M, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, FSU and Nebraska will have quick triggers if you miss multiple years in a row.
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Could this setup help the ACC, Big 12 and Pac 12 survive? Maybe.
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oh good, two additional weeks of blowouts.
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They're not wrong:
@rollbamaroll: When Alabama is obliterating the MAC champion in Bryant Denny Stadium on New Year’s, I don’t want to hear a word.
You asked for this, because people just have a hard time accepting that good teams are good; and college football is and has always been about its oligarchs.
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@PeteThamel: Sources: The CFP Board of Managers has decided on a 12-team College Football Playoff during today's meeting.
@PeteThamel: The 12-team model is expected to start in 2026, after the current contract, according to a source. There's still a chance that it could go earlier, but those details are complicated and would take some time to work out. https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1565776097274236928
So no more Sani Flush Type Bowls in 2026? Which bowls will bid for the first round games and will the top traditional New Years Bowls (Rose Bowl etc.) get the quarterfinal rounds and the semi finals and finals played at different cities across the country?
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So no more Sani Flush Type Bowls in 2026? Which bowls will bid for the first round games and will the top traditional New Years Bowls (Rose Bowl etc.) get the quarterfinal rounds and the semi finals and finals played at different cities across the country?
I'd bet the first two rounds will be home games for the higher seeded teams, not bowl games.
As others have pointed out, while this may have veneer of giving the little guys a chance, the reality is it virtually guarantees the top programs are in the playoffs every year, even with a couple of regular season losses.
This is better for the Bamas, Ohio States and Georgias than it is the UCFs and Boise States.
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I'd bet the first two rounds will be home games for the higher seeded teams, not bowl games.
As others have pointed out, while this may have veneer of giving the little guys a chance, the reality is it virtually guarantees the top programs are in the playoffs every year, even with a couple of regular season losses.
This is better for the Bamas, Ohio States and Georgias than it is the UCFs and Boise States.
I think it's better for both
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I think it's better for both
I agree. I think it makes it much easier for a Cincinnati or UCF to take 1/12 spots from a big school than 1/4. Also, it will give them a chance to show they belong.
I think this really helps the schools like Wisconsin and others that always seemed to be on the fringe of truly competing for the Top 4.
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And an undefeated MAC team picks up a 10 seed to face the 1-loss loser of the B1g championship.
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Michigan State in a tough battle with Western Michigan
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They're not wrong:
@rollbamaroll: When Alabama is obliterating the MAC champion in Bryant Denny Stadium on New Year’s, I don’t want to hear a word.
You asked for this, because people just have a hard time accepting that good teams are good; and college football is and has always been about its oligarchs.
But it’s better than the status quo where the MAC champion gets no shot.
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I'd bet the first two rounds will be home games for the higher seeded teams, not bowl games.
In the AP article:
The top four seeds would be conference champions and receive byes into the second round. First-round games would be played on campuses and the rest at bowl sites.
https://apnews.com/article/CFP-playoff-expansion-college-football-a844a2917d348eeb560c5ac2eb83d34d?user_email=6647dfa7189f748384d7389910f7b584c6fcfc35ae990102964c7e826d4175c7&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Sept03_MorningWire&utm_term=Morning%20Wire%20Subscribers
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Good to see Georgia with a tough early season game versus Oregon
Hoping the Buckeyes destroy Notre Dame
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Didn’t recognize Bret Bielema last night.
Think Huggins at his fattest and then imagine that Bret ate him for lunch.
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Didn’t recognize Bret Bielema last night.
Think Huggins at his fattest and then imagine that Bret ate him for lunch.
Lol. I may have mentioned that I heard a story about Bielema and Huggins, dining at Ruth's Chris (Madison) separately, on the same night, about an hour or so apart from each other. Take a wild guess who the bartender at RC thought was awesome and who he thought was a colossal asshead?
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UNC App State was a heckuva 63-61 Carolina . App State failed on 2 2 point conversions in the final 31 seconds
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Georgia rolling Oregon. I suppose that's not a surprise but it's not competitive.
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Georgia rolling Oregon. I suppose that's not a surprise but it's not competitive.
Oregon is waaaay overrated. And Georgia is really good.
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Georgia rolling Oregon. I suppose that's not a surprise but it's not competitive.
Georgia is the new Clemson
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UNC App State was a heckuva 63-61 Carolina . App State failed on 2 2 point conversions in the final 31 seconds
One of the most wild 4th quarters anyone will ever see. UNC went in with a 20-point lead, blew it but held on.
Quirky stuff:
After App State blew its first 2-point conversion -- QB had WR wide open but overthrew slightly; WR still could have made the catch but he tried to backpedal instead of keep running -- they still trailed by 1 with 31 seconds left so they tried an onside kick. It went right to the UNC guy, and the game would have been over (except for kneel-downs) if he had just gone to the ground but he returned it for a TD, and the PAT made it an 8-point game. UNC then got flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct, which led to a great App State kickoff return to UNC's side of the field. App State scored again with a few seconds left but their QB was stopped inside the 1 on the conversion attempt.
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Woo
Pig
Sooie
Stompin’
Time
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Thank God teams like Oregon won’t be left out of the chance to show they can compete with teams like Georgia in the expanded Playoff format.
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Iowa winning 7-3 by scoring a FG and two safeties is the most Iowa thing ever.
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Thank God teams like Oregon won’t be left out of the chance to show they can compete with teams like Georgia in the expanded Playoff format.
LOL. This is why College Hoops > than College Football imo.
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LOL. This is why College Hoops > than College Football imo.
I agree with this.
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Thank God teams like Oregon won’t be left out of the chance to show they can compete with teams like Georgia in the expanded Playoff format.
just like every other year, 4 or 5 teams that can compete, 2 of those 5 a lot better than the rest. Georgia vs Alabama again this year.
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just like every other year, 4 or 5 teams that can compete, 2 of those 5 a lot better than the rest. Georgia vs Alabama again this year.
Yeah. They look light years ahead after one week. OSU looks pedestrian
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Can’t wait to watch QB play at the highest level like we’re seeing from this Notre Dame QB in the Playoffs in a couple years.
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Hey it’s better than the status quo.
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Iowa winning 7-3 by scoring a FG and two safeties is the most Iowa thing ever.
Iowa could really use an outsider to come-in and bring some new ideas to the offense. The problem... Ferentz's son is the both the OC/QB coach. When you allow nepotism, you deserve poor results.
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Decisive win for The Badgers
Enjoyed seeing Ohio State defeat Notre Dame. Any loss by Notre Dame is something to be savored and enjoyed.
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Decisive win for The Badgers
Enjoyed seeing Ohio State defeat Notre Dame. Any loss by Notre Dame is something to be savored and enjoyed.
That wasn’t a decisive win by the Badgers
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Iowa could really use an outsider to come-in and bring some new ideas to the offense. The problem... Ferentz's son is the both the OC/QB coach. When you allow nepotism, you deserve poor results.
The problem is, Ferentz the Lesser is still a virgin
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That wasn’t a decisive win by the Badgers
Right, a 38 point shutout, averaging over 8 yards per play isn’t decisive.
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Right, a 38 point shutout, averaging over 8 yards per play isn’t decisive.
It wasn’t
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What a ridiculous game at the Superdome
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What a ridiculous game at the Superdome
I thought that game was over after muffed punt. Every time I turn a game off, something stupid happens. Those who went on the over/under were probably soiling themselves
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Was glad to see Florida And Florida State win this weekend against quality opponents . Hopefully The Gators and Seminoles can rebuild their programs to be more competitive. College Football is better when it’s not just two teams a year that dominate .
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Was glad to see Florida And Florida State win this weekend against quality opponents . Hopefully The Gators and Seminoles can rebuild their programs to be more competitive. College Football is better when it’s not just two teams a year that dominate .
College football is almost always dominated by 2-3 teams a season.
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College football is almost always dominated by 2-3 teams a season.
With the new transfer rules, NILs and football conference consolidation (with media $), does this open the door for more parity?
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With the new transfer rules, NILs and football conference consolidation (with media $), does this open the door for more parity?
I doubt it.
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With the new transfer rules, NILs and football conference consolidation (with media $), does this open the door for more parity?
Every analisys I've seen of this say the exact opposite.
Some say FCS will see expansion due to the greater lack of parity in FBS.
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College football is almost always dominated by 2-3 teams a season.
Yessir. All the angst over NIL and free transfers and realignment is good, clean fun … but the simple fact is that college football has been ruled by VERY few programs for years and years - even back in the good old days when athletes were indentured servants.
I mean, even freakin’ ND has been a non-factor for a couple decades now.
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Yessir. All the angst over NIL and free transfers and realignment is good, clean fun … but the simple fact is that college football has been ruled by VERY few programs for years and years - even back in the good old days when athletes were indentured servants.
I mean, even freakin’ ND has been a non-factor for a couple decades now.
The athletes (pro or college) are still 'indentured servants'. If you mean they enter into an agreement to do certain work for a defined period of time in exchange for goods or services (the definition of indentured servant).
;)
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Am I seeing this right … Michigan is 52-point favorite over Hawaii?
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Yes
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Am I seeing this right … Michigan is 52-point favorite over Hawaii?
I mean, Hawaii was left in disarray last year and entered the season with a first year HC who would be a totally uninspiring hire if he wasn't a Hawaii legend.
Then they lost their first 2 games to average teams by a combined score of 112-27. And Michigan actually has an offense this year. Line might actually be a bit soft to be honest :o
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I mean, Hawaii was left in disarray last year and entered the season with a first year HC who would be a totally uninspiring hire if he wasn't a Hawaii legend.
Then they lost their first 2 games to average teams by a combined score of 112-27. And Michigan actually has an offense this year. Line might actually be a bit soft to be honest :o
That's amazing ... though I did just Google the largest point spread in college football history, and it supposedly was Florida State -70.5 vs Savannah State in 2012.
FSU seemed well on its way to covering, up 55-0 in the third quarter, but there was severe lightning in the area and the game was called. How'd you like to lose a bet for that reason?
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That's amazing ... though I did just Google the largest point spread in college football history, and it supposedly was Florida State -70.5 vs Savannah State in 2012.
FSU seemed well on its way to covering, up 55-0 in the third quarter, but there was severe lightning in the area and the game was called. How'd you like to lose a bet for that reason?
Thankfully that bet was likely voided. Usually spread and over/under bets require completion of the game.
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Thankfully that bet was likely voided. Usually spread and over/under bets require completion of the game.
Makes sense. I didn't know sportsbooks were that "nice." Actually, I'm guessing it must be a law ... and a good one!
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Makes sense. I didn't know sportsbooks were that "nice." Actually, I'm guessing it must be a law ... and a good one!
I think its makes sense for both parties. Both the player and the house have an equal chance of being screwed, correct?
I'd think the action on the Under would go through the roof if was a chance of lightning going into a game, if not for the rule.
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That's amazing ... though I did just Google the largest point spread in college football history, and it supposedly was Florida State -70.5 vs Savannah State in 2012.
FSU seemed well on its way to covering, up 55-0 in the third quarter, but there was severe lightning in the area and the game was called. How'd you like to lose a bet for that reason?
Any idea on the largest spread between two FBS teams? The second biggest spread I could find looks to have been Hawaii v. Northern Colorado, another FCS team.
I think its makes sense for both parties. Both the player and the house have an equal chance of being screwed, correct?
I'd think the action on the Under would go through the roof if was a chance of lightning going into a game, if not for the rule.
Does anyone remember the infamous "power outage game" in Vegas between Bucky and UNLV? https://badgerherald.com/sports/2002/09/05/robbed-by-the-night/
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Is there any game actually worth watching today? Looks like a lame schedule to me. College Hoops > College Football
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Watch EPL instead.
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Is there any game actually worth watching today? Looks like a lame schedule to me. College Hoops > College Football
There are multiple top 25 matchups. USC-Stanford is always good. Bama-Texas will be a beatdown but entertaining.
I love college basketball, but there are countless Saturdays, especially early in the season with "lame schedules". It doesn't always have to be a competition like college basketball fans like to make it
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Is there any game actually worth watching today? Looks like a lame schedule to me. College Hoops > College Football
¡EL ASSICO! is today
Also, Florida-Kentucky is an interesting game from a SEC standpoint. One of those teams is probably the challenger to Georgia. This is supposed to be Kentucky’s best recent team and is Florida a week one fraud?
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Go outside.
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Go outside.
I am outside.
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Watch EPL instead.
No EPL today.
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I know.
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Ewers is really good. Having him and Arch both at Texas next year will be…interesting.
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Ewers is really good. Having him and Arch both at Texas next year will be…interesting.
Welp…
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Whats the point in college football??
The fix is in every year
That call on Texas is one of the biggest black eyes in sports
Just embarrassing
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Whats the point in college football??
The fix is in every year
That call on Texas is one of the biggest black eyes in sports
Just embarrassing
Well,
In some made up review they mostly corrected the call.
"play was described to me incorrectly"
Wtf
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They may have actually gotten it right. Incomplete pass.
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They may have actually gotten it right. Incomplete pass.
Still not sure how that isnt grounding.
But yeah, the fact Texas gets the ball is the key.
What a mess.
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Grounding isn't reviewable. The initial thought of targeting meant they weren't looking at grounding.
In the end, after review, they got it as right as they could.
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Horrendous play call by Texas
Kicker gives them life tho. Can the D hold?
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The story if a kicker named Auburn beats Bama....
I predict Bama wins it.
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Biggest missed tackle of the season.
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Simply cannot miss that tackle
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Thundering Herd!!!
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There are multiple top 25 matchups. USC-Stanford is always good. Bama-Texas will be a beatdown but entertaining.
I love college basketball, but there are countless Saturdays, especially early in the season with "lame schedules". It doesn't always have to be a competition like college basketball fans like to make it
I stand corrected.. I forgot the Thundering Herd had a game today! :)
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2 weeks in and ND’s already got no shot at the playoffs. That’s unusually quick to irrelevance. Congrats!!
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Can you feel the thunder????
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20-point favorite loses at home.
Talk about OVER (clap, clap) RATED (clap, clap)!
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Best part about this game was ND actually got a blocked punt with just under two minutes left to give themselves the ball at about the 35 with no TOs left, down 11. The QB then dances around in the pocket and ends up getting sacked. Later in the drive he scrambles and gets tackled in bounds before the first down marker. They get the touchdown, but only leave themselves 14 seconds left. The QB then takes a sack on the two point attempt.
Great clock management down the stretch.
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I love it when my favorite college football team wins, especially as huge underdog playing under Touchdown Jesus’ shadow!
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Has anyone been to Pullman, Wash?
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Any unexpected ND loss is great, but this one was particularly hilarious. The chorus of "ND has shown they belong", after scuffling along in Columbus last week and not getting blown out, started to ring out this week. Then they absolutely piss themselves against a mid major at home with zero offensive production. That pick-6 was GLORIOUS.
I'm sure it won't hold, but Washington St having Wisconsin on the ropes at Camp Randall is a delightful digestif.
BLOCKED FG!
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Any unexpected ND loss is great, but this one was particularly hilarious. The chorus of "ND has shown they belong", after scuffling along in Columbus last week and not getting blown out, started to ring out this week. Then they absolutely piss themselves against a mid major at home with zero offensive production. That pick-6 was GLORIOUS.
I'm sure it won't hold, but Washington St having Wisconsin on the ropes at Camp Randall is a delightful digestif.
BLOCKED FG!
Yes, I now see that my OTHER favorite team (this week), Washington State, has a chance for a big road upset.
Great comments about ND’s glorious failure, Wags.
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Has anyone been to Pullman, Wash?
Yes. It’s pretty in a certain way. Isolated though.
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You have one freaking job. Why do defensive players, when they get an interception, think they're Barry Sanders? Will probably cost them the game. Inexcusable.
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Is there any game actually worth watching today? Looks like a lame schedule to me. College Hoops > College Football
College football is our greatest sport.
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That's better.
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College football is our greatest sport.
I was off-base!!
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No time-outs for Whisky? Shouldn't the game be over?
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Tick
Tick
Tick
Tick
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Door slammed!!
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God Madison makes football look really, really hard
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Just a wonderful day of college football.
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Just a wonderful day of college football.
Greatest sport ever. :)
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God Madison makes football look really, really hard
Remember when Graham Mertz was a program changer since Wisconsin finally had a real QB?
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Ha Ha Badger - Paul Chryst morphing into mediocre Mike McCarthy in a fast way. Losing to a mediocre WSU team home pretty much renders the rest of the season as meaningless exhibitions. Thoroughly outplayed at home. Is there a more predictable offense in all of college football? Good lord, when is the last time they had a place kicker who had a better than 50% chance to make a 40 yarder. The two FG attempts looked like grade school level skill.
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App State just beat #6 Texas A&M!!
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Just a wonderful day of college football.
You got that right!
My best Charlotte friend’s alma mater, App State, just won as a 19-point dog at Texas A&M, too.
If only Alabama had gone down, it would have been an absolutely perfect day.
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How bad is the B14 West?
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How bad is the B14 West?
USC might be decent.......... too soon?
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Brian Ferentz is the absolute worst case of Nepotism in all of football. Fully embraces El Assico
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And Muggsy said there weren't any good games today. Pshaw
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Georgia Southern
Man, the power 5 can't break off soon enough.
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At some point David Shaws seat is going to get warm at Stanford . He has built up some good will soon it might not be for another year .
Being destroyed at home by USC is not helping his cause
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Badgers laid an egg today
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And Muggsy said there weren't any good games today. Pshaw
My comments directly impacted the college football games and results today.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiV6DlqLcsf/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Would Chryst be on the hot seat anytime soon? It feels like Leonhard has a lot of fan support.
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Lol Nebraska.
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Sun Belt Fun Belt.
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How bad is the B14 West?
Minnesota might be decent with Ibrahim and Morgan back and healthy. But I’m not convinced of that yet.
6 of 7 having a loss two weeks in is insane. It’s not like they’ve played particularly difficult schedules.
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Would Chryst be on the hot seat anytime soon? It feels like Leonhard has a lot of fan support.
I think he has one more year after this one. Maybe.
They just have no talent at receiver.
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Nebraska students chanting fire Frost in the End Zone
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Nebraska students chanting fire Frost in the End Zone
They need to fire their defensive coaches. All of them. Their defense is embarrassingly terrible.
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They need to fire their defensive coaches. All of them. Their defense is embarrassingly terrible.
Maybe Nebraska and Iowa could meet in Council Bluffs and have a traditional midwestern swap meet of assistant coaches and apple pie recipes?
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Lol Nebraska.
Breaks my heart. Saw my first game in Lincoln over 40 years ago in a rout over the Buffaloes, immediately fell in love with the Huskers and my favorite player back then, Jarvis Redwine. Was allowed to stay up late for the Orange Bowls, travelled to Lincoln to watch the Huskers beat Wisconsin, lady saw me taking photos of her house and invited me inside for an orange pop and a look around my old Omaha home. Rode the 90s glory feeling sky high, Black Shirts were a sense of pride, but man has it been tough to watch. Hey, at least UW-Madison and FND lost!!
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Maybe Nebraska and Iowa could meet in Council Bluffs and have a traditional midwestern swap meet of assistant coaches and apple pie recipes?
Would a combo of the Iowa offense and the Nebraska defense be the worst Div. 1 (and maybe Div. 2) team in the country?
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Brian Ferentz is the absolute worst case of Nepotism in all of football. Fully embraces El Assico
I personally like how Kirk Ferentz has treated his employment like the Dad having his kid take over the family restaurant learning each job. "Ok, this year you coach the OL. Now we'll have you coach the RBs. Ok next year you'll coach TE. Alright, you've made it, you'll coach QBs now too." All while being the OC of a terrible offense. Hilariously bad.
At some point David Shaws seat is going to get warm at Stanford . He has built up some good will soon it might not be for another year .
Being destroyed at home by USC is not helping his cause
I know Stanford isn't hurting for money, but he's making $9MM a year all for a single 2 loss season in the last decade and no 10 win seasons since Bryce Love and McCaffrey left. And the trend is really not good
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Iowa will probably win the Big Ten West this year. Gene Barta will give Ferentz another nice extension after a B10 championship game loss that looks reasonable on paper even though no one watching thought they were going to win.
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Scott Frost fired. Could have saved $8 million by waiting a month.
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Scott Frost fired. Could have saved $8 million by waiting a month.
Watching Nebraska fans convince themselves they’re getting Urban Meyer and ending up with Dave Doeren will be wild
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Watching Nebraska fans convince themselves they’re getting Urban Meyer and ending up with Dave Doeren will be wild
I think Frost made $5MM. Doeren is making $3.5MM in a much easier conference with less expectations. I would bet he doesn't leave.
They are gonna get someone like Doeren's OC Tim Beck. Probably should just rehire Pelini
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I think Frost made $5MM. Doeren is making $3.5MM in a much easier conference with less expectations. I would bet he doesn't leave.
They are gonna get someone like Doeren's OC Tim Beck. Probably should just rehire Pelini
With all the TV money, they’ll be able to spend big on a coach. I think it’s a dead end job with unrealistic expectations. They should strive to be Iowa or Wisconsin but they think they should be Ohio State. Maybe they get lucky and hit a home run but the days of them being a legit yearly national title contender are over
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An interim coach until January. No coach worth their salt is coming now. Meyer is available, but IMO is not worth the baggage.
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Rooting for Mickey Joseph to do a great job
He was fun to watch when he played QB for The Huskers back in the day
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Watching Nebraska fans convince themselves they’re getting Urban Meyer and ending up with Dave Doeren will be wild
Clay Helton? Idk if I'm kidding.
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Rooting for Mickey Joseph to do a great job
He was fun to watch when he played QB for The Huskers back in the day
Me, too. That would be a disaster long term
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Michigan went into the 4th quarter with a 46-point lead but Hawaii scored on its first possession of the quarter to make it 49-10. Michigan added a TD to make it 56-10 with about 8 minutes to go, but Hawaii then ate up almost the entirety of the clock before failing on 4th down at the Michigan 2 ... so Michigan ended up winning by "only" 46.
In other words, Michigan failed to cover.
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Nebraska getting blown out by Oklahoma
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Nebraska getting blown out by Oklahoma
Started out hot, fired up, and motivated for Mickey Joseph...then reality set in
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The second Gerry Faust era.
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bucky taking out frustration on nm state much like the pack is going to do against da bears(still suck)tomorrow
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If Trev Albert’s hasn’t offered Lance Leipold $10 million a year to coach the Huskers by now he’s not serious about turning that program around.
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If Trev Albert’s hasn’t offered Lance Leipold $10 million a year to coach the Huskers by now he’s not serious about turning that program around.
Not sexy enough. I agree, though. If I were a Big Ten West Coach, I wouldn’t want him on the other sideline
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Not sexy enough. I agree, though. If I were a Big Ten West Coach, I wouldn’t want him on the other sideline
He would do great things there. I don't know if there is a more blinding example of being the real deal.
We all know the Whitewater accolades. But he turned Buffalo around and into a top 25 team in a HURRY. And that was a garbage program. He had the best winning percentage since they went D-1 and that was even with inheriting a terrible program. Turner Gill won a little bit but his best years were nothing compared to Leipold.
He's got more to prove than winning 3 in a row, but man, thats an impressive start to year 2
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He would do great things there. I don't know if there is a more blinding example of being the real deal.
We all know the Whitewater accolades. But he turned Buffalo around and into a top 25 team in a HURRY. And that was a garbage program. He had the best winning percentage since they went D-1 and that was even with inheriting a terrible program. Turner Gill won a little bit but his best years were nothing compared to Leipold.
He's got more to prove than winning 3 in a row, but man, thats an impressive start to year 2
It’s entirely possible they finish 5-7 or something like that, too. I’d still hire him. You saw by the end of last year, Kansas wasn’t overly talented but they weren’t the same old Kansas. They’ll ruin someone’s Big XII title hopes this year
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Gotta at least call Billy Donovan!
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Hologram Tom Osborne.
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He would do great things there. I don't know if there is a more blinding example of being the real deal.
We all know the Whitewater accolades. But he turned Buffalo around and into a top 25 team in a HURRY. And that was a garbage program. He had the best winning percentage since they went D-1 and that was even with inheriting a terrible program. Turner Gill won a little bit but his best years were nothing compared to Leipold.
He's got more to prove than winning 3 in a row, but man, thats an impressive start to year 2
He has had the same OC and DC since Whitewater too.
Also used to work at Nebraska and at Nebraska-Omaha when it had football as a D2 program. His wife is from Nebraska as well.
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Herm Edwards fired at Arizona State.
Urban Meyer at ASU would be something. Seems like destiny at this point.
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Bedlam is dead.
Oklahoma and Okie State say they won't play one another after the Sooners move to the SEC.
Another reason realignment sucks.
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Bedlam is dead.
Oklahoma and Okie State say they won't play one another after the Sooners move to the SEC.
Another reason realignment sucks.
Eh. If the schools wanted to play, they most definitely could. Maybe they just don't want to because they are annoyed at one another and contracts with other schools make it difficult in the short term. But they could definitely bring back this rivalry after a couple of years.
Texas and Texas Tech are playing every year post realignment. And other SEC schools play rivalry games outside the SEC (Georgia, Florida, South Carolina...) There is no reason why Bedlam has to go away.
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Bedlam is dead.
Oklahoma and Okie State say they won't play one another after the Sooners move to the SEC.
Another reason realignment sucks.
Yep, sad to see. I'd guess ND-USC is going to end soon too. Texas v TA&M used to be a good game too. Lots of rivalries dying. But new ones will emerge.
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Yep, sad to see. I'd guess ND-USC is going to end soon too. Texas v TA&M used to be a good game too. Lots of rivalries dying. But new ones will emerge.
Who is Maryland’s rival in football or basketball? Texas A&M? Missouri? I guess rivalries can emerge but they sure haven’t yet for most schools that have moved conferences.
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Who is Maryland’s rival in football or basketball? Texas A&M? Missouri? I guess rivalries can emerge but they sure haven’t yet for most schools that have moved conferences.
What do you mean by "rival?" Does A&M have an arch-rival a la Texas in the SEC? No, but they certainly have rivalry-type games with the likes of LSU.
Do you think that A&M fans regret going to the SEC even if it means sacrificing the Texas rivalry? Doubtful. And regardless, these games COULD have continued if both schools wanted to. They just chose not to.
And one of the reasons they chose not to is because the stands are full and people will still watch. I think people get a little over-nostalgic for these things, when it reality they are ever-changing.
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Yep, sad to see. I'd guess ND-USC is going to end soon too. Texas v TA&M used to be a good game too. Lots of rivalries dying. But new ones will emerge.
TU vs. TA&M is coming back baby!
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TU vs. TA&M is coming back baby!
Despite what I said above, I do think my favorite part of this rivalry is that A&M's fight song is entirely about how much they hate Texas and want to saw the horns off their mascot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h7T_zbPGBw&t=2s
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Despite what I said above, I do think my favorite part of this rivalry is that A&M's fight song is entirely about how much they hate Texas and want to saw the horns off their mascot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h7T_zbPGBw&t=2s
While I certainly cheer for TAMU, we are the definition of little brother syndrome
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What do you mean by "rival?" Does A&M have an arch-rival a la Texas in the SEC? No, but they certainly have rivalry-type games with the likes of LSU.
Do you think that A&M fans regret going to the SEC even if it means sacrificing the Texas rivalry? Doubtful. And regardless, these games COULD have continued if both schools wanted to. They just chose not to.
And one of the reasons they chose not to is because the stands are full and people will still watch. I think people get a little over-nostalgic for these things, when it reality they are ever-changing.
A&M fans may not want to go back but there’s a couple of things at play with that thought. They thought they were leaving Texas behind and “sticking” it to them. Also, the SEC establishment still looks at A&M as just another school and nothing other than that. They don’t have rivalries. They have 4+ hour games because commercials
No school is looking back because their pocketbooks are flush. But let’s not kid ourselves, none of these schools have gotten better on the field or on the court because of the moves. I’d argue most have gotten worse and in most cases, lack an identity. If A&M wasn’t paying Jimbo Fisher the GDP equivalent of a third world nation, they’d hardly register in the consciousness.
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Herm Edwards fired at Arizona State.
Urban Meyer at ASU would be something. Seems like destiny at this point.
Nah. He'll sit and take TV money unless a marquee job opens up, ASU co-ed jokes aside
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A&M fans may not want to go back but there’s a couple of things at play with that thought. They thought they were leaving Texas behind and “sticking” it to them. Also, the SEC establishment still looks at A&M as just another school and nothing other than that. They don’t have rivalries. They have 4+ hour games because commercials
No school is looking back because their pocketbooks are flush. But let’s not kid ourselves, none of these schools have gotten better on the field or on the court because of the moves. I’d argue most have gotten worse and in most cases, lack an identity. If A&M wasn’t paying Jimbo Fisher the GDP equivalent of a third world nation, they’d hardly register in the consciousness.
I disagree with this. As TAMU said, they are a school that traditionally has "little brother syndrome." Going to the SEC allowed them to differentiate themselves from UT-Austin - which is what they wanted. And which is why they weren't thrilled with the UT and OU expansion.
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I disagree with this. As TAMU said, they are a school that traditionally has "little brother syndrome." Going to the SEC allowed them to differentiate themselves from UT-Austin - which is what they wanted. And which is why they weren't thrilled with the UT and OU expansion.
Eh, I don’t buy that. They thought they were one upping Texas, not differentiating themselves. And they ended up with neither
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Eh, I don’t buy that. They thought they were one upping Texas, not differentiating themselves. And they ended up with neither
I wouldn't say that. TU was undeniably the superior football program for years and controlled in state recruiting. Since the move to the SEC, TAMU has one upped them and become the stronger football program (not that they have anything meaningful to show for it) and seized control of in state recruiting from the Longhorns. I don't know how much of that is directly attributable to the shift to the SEC but it absolutely benefitted the football program. Now that TU is on the way, I doubt that continues.
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Nah. He'll sit and take TV money unless a marquee job opens up, ASU co-ed jokes aside
While funny, I agree Urban to ASU doesn't seem likely to happen. But, if there was ever a guy made to live it up in Scottsdale, its Urban.
ASU should be better than they are. Way too many odd hires over the years.
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While funny, I agree Urban to ASU doesn't seem likely to happen. But, if there was ever a guy made to live it up in Scottsdale, its Urban.
ASU should be better than they are. Way too many odd hires over the years.
So I have seen this stated a lot the last few days. Why should ASU be better than they are? They are hardly from a football hotbed and largely have to pull players from California or elsewhere to be successful.
They have largely been a just over .500 program with occasional bursts of something greater when it all falls together. I kinda think that's just what they are.
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So I have seen this stated a lot the last few days. Why should ASU be better than they are? They are hardly from a football hotbed and largely have to pull players from California or elsewhere to be successful.
They have largely been a just over .500 program with occasional bursts of something greater when it all falls together. I kinda think that's just what they are.
Any program being called a sleeping giant by the national media is almost certainly not that
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So I have seen this stated a lot the last few days. Why should ASU be better than they are? They are hardly from a football hotbed and largely have to pull players from California or elsewhere to be successful.
They have largely been a just over .500 program with occasional bursts of something greater when it all falls together. I kinda think that's just what they are.
Agreed. Theyve not had back to back top 15 seasons since they joined the Pac 12, and in the last 35 years since John Cooper left, they've only had 2 coaches finish better than .500 in the Pac-12 for their tenure. And one was Todd Graham whose tenure imploded and finished very mediocre.
And Arizona is not a great HS football talent bed. Looking at the last 5 years, with the exception of the 2020 class, Arizona usually has no more than 2-3 players in the top 200 recruits nationally. And going back 7 years, ASU or Zona has kept 0 of those top 200 guys in state. Look at the studs out of the state like Bijan Robinson or Spencer Rattler, staying in state was never a serious consideration. Even a borderline guy like Chubba Purdy, who went to FSU, was considering ASU but didn't even make the final 3.
No rich football history, not in a great football recruiting state, and way down in the pecking order in your own conference. Plus that conference routinely raids your state when you do have some good talent, like Oregon, USC, and UCLA have done. I don't know why its a sleeping giant. I think its, AT BEST, the 6th best job in the P12, and I could be persuaded to put it lower.
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6th best is probably right - behind USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington and Stanford. Probably ahead of Utah but clearly ahead of Arizona, Colorado, Cal, Oregon State and Washington State.
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Top candidate for Nebraska job
https://www.si.com/college/2022/09/20/nebraska-has-three-leading-candidates-for-next-coach-per-report
Surprised Urban is not on the list . He would do a great job for The Huskers .
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Top candidate for Nebraska job
https://www.si.com/college/2022/09/20/nebraska-has-three-leading-candidates-for-next-coach-per-report
Surprised Urban is not on the list . He would do a great job for The Huskers .
It was reported a few days ago he wasn’t a candidate
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6th best is probably right - behind USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington and Stanford. Probably ahead of Utah but clearly ahead of Arizona, Colorado, Cal, Oregon State and Washington State.
Yep thats what I was thinking. Id probably give the edge to Utah cause its been a solid program for 30+ years now. It wasn't as good as its been recently, but it was a pretty solid mid major in the WAC/MWC before Urban Meyer ever got there. And now you have 20 years with only 2 seasons under .500 and a bunch of top 20 finishes.
Top candidate for Nebraska job
https://www.si.com/college/2022/09/20/nebraska-has-three-leading-candidates-for-next-coach-per-report
Surprised Urban is not on the list . He would do a great job for The Huskers .
I disagree. Anyone who has had success at Nebraska had a connection to the school or the area/Plains states. Urban doesn't make sense at all to me. They should be going all in on Leipold. Matt Campbell isn't a bad second choice either.
Urban sticks in the booth unless Freeman flames out at ND or maybe 2-3 other schools.
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Press Conference from Nebraska interim Head Coach Mickey Joseph
https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/quick-hits-from-mickey-joseph-s-bye-week-press-conference-1
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Press Conference from Nebraska interim Head Coach Mickey Joseph
https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/quick-hits-from-mickey-joseph-s-bye-week-press-conference-1
Dead man walking. He should probably be calling coaches looking for a job
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Dead man walking. He should probably be calling coaches looking for a job
He was a really good WR coach at LSU. Surely pursuing that would be better than assuming anything in Lincoln.
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6th best is probably right - behind USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington and Stanford. Probably ahead of Utah but clearly ahead of Arizona, Colorado, Cal, Oregon State and Washington State.
Personally, I'd rather coach at Colorado and Cal than ASU.
And now with USC and UCLA out, ASU is not even close to a sleeping giant.
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This former UW Whitewater coach will be the Bama coach when Saban retires at this rate.
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Gophers blowing out The Spartans
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Gophers blowing out The Spartans
Spartans might regret overpaying a dude who has more double digit losses than wins and won four games last year despite being outgained in those games
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Spartans might regret overpaying a dude who has more double digit losses than wins and won four games last year despite being outgained in those games
Tucker contract completely one side in his favor. MSU was desperate
https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2021/11/mel-tuckers-massive-contract-extension-is-fully-guaranteed-with-buyout-unchanged.html
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Tucker contract completely one side in his favor. MSU was desperate
https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2021/11/mel-tuckers-massive-contract-extension-is-fully-guaranteed-with-buyout-unchanged.html
I get it. LSU rumors were hot. His agent played it well. In his defense, he got hired during covid year and his predecessor mailed it in the last few years. Still, the Big Ten East is a meat grinder and you better get the coach right if you’re Sparty
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Ohio St. Is favored by 19??
I bet 10 bucks they'd cover but didn't realize the spread was so high.
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Ohio St. Is favored by 19??
I bet 10 bucks they'd cover but didn't realize the spread was so high.
It was 17.5 when I got in. Lot of money on OSU. Good test for the Bucks who spent the off-season getting “tougher” after Michigan outmuscled them
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I see Washington State went from up 11 to down 10 in like 5 mins.
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Ohio State's unis are seriously hideous.
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I see Washington State went from up 11 to down 10 in like 5 mins.
Washington State can't hang with a good Big 10 team..... sorry Oregon not in the Big 10 yet.
(I guess, sorry to Wisconsin too)
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Decent first few mins.
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So Miami was a 25.5 point favorite and lost by 14. I guess the reports of Miami's resurrection were greatly exaggerated.
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Ohio St. Is favored by 19??
I bet 10 bucks they'd cover but didn't realize the spread was so high.
You'll be fine.
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You'll be fine.
Maybe.
Is it too early to go for 2 here?
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WTF?? Ohio St. kicker should be cut after that.
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Ohio St. Is favored by 19??
I bet 10 bucks they'd cover but didn't realize the spread was so high.
Covered in 11:00 minutes of play.
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Maybe.
Is it too early to go for 2 here?
Bucky getting the New Mexico State treatment.
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Damn....wasting a lot of time between plays
Still a pretty good quarter.
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Terrible call there. Ref may have taken Whisky with the point spread.
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That talent level difference between OSU and Bucky is eye opening. It’s like this is a buy game for the buckeyes. Outside of what about 5 teams, every other game in college football is essentially a meaningless exhibition game.
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That talent level difference between OSU and Bucky is eye opening. It’s like this is a buy game for the buckeyes. Outside of what about 5 teams, every other game in college football is essentially a meaningless exhibition game.
Speed kills
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Worried Whisky will cover. I thought the hanner coukd have been dropped midway through the 2nd Q.
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Worried Whisky will cover. I thought the hanner coukd have been dropped midway through the 2nd Q.
Lol
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Even at 38-7, it feels like OSU has taken their foot off the throttle. Even so, a backdoor cover looks unlikely.
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Did Herbstreit just say that this is the first time he can remember where the game got "away" from Whisky vs Ohio St.? My memory is telling me that is completely wrong.
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Way to much anxiety about a $10 bet. Especially when they’re currently covering by 12 points.
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Way to much anxiety about a $10 bet. Especially when they’re currently covering by 12 points.
I suppose. I like relaxing wins.
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Did Herbstreit just say that this is the first time he can remember where the game got "away" from Whisky vs Ohio St.? My memory is telling me that is completely wrong.
59-0
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Oklahoma better be careful. KSU is dangerous. Texas and OU losing today would be a bad look for the future SEC.
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I feel a little better.
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I feel a little better.
Gambling may not be for you if you’re worried about a $10 bet that at this point you have over a 90% chance of winning
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Gambling may not be for you if you’re worried about a $10 bet that at this point you have over a 90% chance of winning
True and I'm well aware of that. I only bet with friends and 20 bucks is my limit.
Total lack of focus there from.Ohio St.
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Total lack of focus there from.Ohio St.
I think it’s pretty understandable when you are up 5+ TDs against a mid-major. I don’t think their huddles are saying, “let’s make sure to keep the lead for the bettors.”
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Yes!!! It was nice to have a 38 pt cushion.
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#4 Michigan beat Maryland by 7 at home. #5 Clemson went to 2 overtimes at Wake Forest. #6 Oklahoma is on the verge of losing to Kansas State at home. #7 USC is down 7-3 to Oregon State at home, #8 Kentucky beat Northern Illinois by 8 at home.
Such a shame that so many of these teams won’t get the chance to play Georgia and Alabama in the CFP. Just have to wait a couple more years for that.
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I know this stuff works itself out in the end, but can someone explain how Michigan is #4? I have to guess their SOS is above 100.
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Because they were ranked high pre-season and haven't lost.
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Quality SEC won for The Vols over The Gators
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_n9prNixjbg
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Because they were ranked high pre-season and haven't lost.
Got it. Looking at their schedule, they only have two games against good opponents all year. PSU and OSU. I doubt their SOS will ever get in the top 40 or 50, but IF they win, they will make the Playoffs. Crazy. I like CBB where the NCAA can "reward" teams for weak schedules by giving them a high seeds. I know, I'm the first person to point out that the CFB system is not very good.
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Got it. Looking at their schedule, they only have two games against good opponents all year. PSU and OSU. I doubt their SOS will ever get in the top 40 or 50, but IF they win, they will make the Playoffs. Crazy. I like CBB where the NCAA can "reward" teams for weak schedules by giving them a high seeds. I know, I'm the first person to point out that the CFB system is not very good.
It’ll work itself out. They’ll lose a few games
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#4 Michigan beat Maryland by 7 at home. #5 Clemson went to 2 overtimes at Wake Forest. #6 Oklahoma is on the verge of losing to Kansas State at home. #7 USC is down 7-3 to Oregon State at home, #8 Kentucky beat Northern Illinois by 8 at home.
Such a shame that so many of these teams won’t get the chance to play Georgia and Alabama in the CFP. Just have to wait a couple more years for that.
Wake is a top 20 team.
Georgia was within 1-2 possessions of a Kent State team they were favored by 45 over. They were tied for chunks in the first half.
Bama squeaked by a Texas team who just lost to Texas Tech.
There is plenty of parity in college football. So long as you aren’t named Notre Dame
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I would have preferred to see ND lose against The Heels
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Yes!!! It was nice to have a 38 pt cushion.
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Glad you won!
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Interesting the 'soon to be' Big XII on CBS's power ranking would have 6 teams in the top 25.
I think the Big XII has an advantage on the PAC12 going forward.
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The badgers are so bad. Best off firing Chryst and promoting Leonard just so they don’t lose him.
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The badgers are so bad. Best off firing Chryst and promoting Leonard just so they don’t lose him.
I don't know much about college football but I haven't been impressed with the B14 West Division.
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The badgers are so bad. Best off firing Chryst and promoting Leonard just so they don’t lose him.
I’d fire Mertz first. He’s gonna get a wide receiver killed with his off target passes.
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Have you ever seen a less explosive offense than the badgers and so predictable. They have taken on the personality of their coach.
They need a new coach but predict they are 3 more years of losing like this before it happens.
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Have you ever seen a less explosive offense than the badgers and so predictable. They have taken on the personality of their coach.
They need a new coach but predict they are 3 more years of losing like this before it happens.
I think Iowa is working hard to secure that title.
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The badgers are so bad. Best off firing Chryst and promoting Leonard just so they don’t lose him.
Maybe it’s just me, but it looks like the defense has quit.
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Is Butkus playing for the Illini? 31-10? In Madison? Uh-Oh.
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Uh-oh?
How about Ha!
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Uh-oh?
How about Ha!
Touche!!
HaHaHaHaHa!! But why didn't anyone tell me to unload some coin on Illinois? Will Wisconsin win a B14 game?
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I don't know much about college football but I haven't been impressed with the B14 West Division.
There is nothing to be impressed about. Its a bunch of decent programs to some good programs with ceilings.
Have you ever seen a less explosive offense than the badgers and so predictable. They have taken on the personality of their coach.
They need a new coach but predict they are 3 more years of losing like this before it happens.
Wisconsin football and its fans have this stupid 90s mentality of ground and pound running football. Its Chryst's philosophy, like Alvarez and Big Bret before. Bunch of big linemen from Northern Wisconsin and find a good RB somewhere. Unfortunately, in modern college football, speed kills and while his philosophy is good enough against the B10 West, they can't compete with the top teams. Not having miserable QBs would help.
I think Chryst is a meathead who suits the Wisconsin football mentality, but I think they've seen his ceiling. Wisconsin fans think they should be neck and neck with OSU, so that may be enough to can him.
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There is nothing to be impressed about. Its a bunch of decent programs to some good programs with ceilings.
Wisconsin football and its fans have this stupid 90s mentality of ground and pound running football. Its Chryst's philosophy, like Alvarez and Big Bret before. Bunch of big linemen from Northern Wisconsin and find a good RB somewhere. Unfortunately, in modern college football, speed kills and while his philosophy is good enough against the B10 West, they can't compete with the top teams. Not having miserable QBs would help.
I think Chryst is a meathead who suits the Wisconsin football mentality, but I think they've seen his ceiling. Wisconsin fans think they should be neck and neck with OSU, so that may be enough to can him.
I was told "Mertz is a sure 1st round draft pick." I guess that's incorrect? :)
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Touche!!
HaHaHaHaHa!! But why didn't anyone tell me to unload some coin on Illinois? Will Wisconsin win a B14 game?
Wisconsin was -7 and lost at home by 24. Now that's funny.
Their two wins are both at home against a pathetic New Mexico State team and a worse Illinois State team. That's funny, too.
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I was speaking to a Big Badger Benefactor today
He is concerned they don’t have the NIL firepower
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I was speaking to a Big Badger Benefactor today
He is concerned they don’t have the NIL firepower
They have it. The athletic department hasn’t fully embraced it yet
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They have it. The athletic department hasn’t fully embraced it yet
Pepsi has a few billboards up around town with some football players on them.
And the 21 year ban from the Shoe Box is over, so that will help recruiting
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They have it. The athletic department hasn’t fully embraced it yet
Exactly.
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Pepsi has a few billboards up around town with some football players on them.
And the 21 year ban from the Shoe Box is over, so that will help recruiting
The difference in recruiting “budget” between Wisconsin and Ohio State is galaxies apart. Even Nebraska has more pinned to it than UW and that should be a concern if they get a guy at HC. Wisconsin has to embrace to new age and understand it’s all about the Benjamin’s with recruiting in football
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They have it. The athletic department hasn’t fully embraced it yet
I should have been more specific . My friend the Big Badger Benefactor was actually saying that they are not embracing NIL.
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I should have been more specific . My friend the Big Badger Benefactor was actually saying that they are not embracing NIL.
That makes more sense. They’re making money hand over fist with TV deals and league money, on top of that. As of a few years ago, they had the nations 11th biggest athletic budget. They like to pretend they’re the little engine that could when they’re closer to Goliath
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I should have been more specific . My friend the Big Badger Benefactor was actually saying that they are not embracing NIL.
The most inbred athletic department in D1.
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The difference in recruiting “budget” between Wisconsin and Ohio State is galaxies apart. Even Nebraska has more pinned to it than UW and that should be a concern if they get a guy at HC. Wisconsin has to embrace to new age and understand it’s all about the Benjamin’s with recruiting in football
What part of the SHOE BOX don't you understand? The SHOE BOX in Black Earth, Goddammit.
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What part of the SHOE BOX don't you understand? The SHOE BOX in Black Earth, Goddammit.
Lol, my bad. They probably have that in the NIL power point
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That makes more sense. They’re making money hand over fist with TV deals and league money, on top of that. As of a few years ago, they had the nations 11th biggest athletic budget. They like to pretend they’re the little engine that could when they’re closer to Goliath
You hit it on the head. I've been watching (and hating) UW football for 50+ years. The reason they like to pretend they're " the little engine that could" is because that sells really well outstate and it's great "cover" designed to explain all sorts of failure over the years. Badger fans outstate are such naive morons. If you ask them, they will tell you that UW football would be as good or better than OSU or Michigan or PSU except that OSU and Michigan and PSU have more money and cheat and have much lower academic standards than the UW------which is all bullchit. Yet they lap it up. This has been the case for decades.
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You hit it on the head. I've been watching (and hating) UW football for 50+ years. The reason they like to pretend they're " the little engine that could" is because that sells really well outstate and it's great "cover" designed to explain all sorts of failure over the years. Badger fans outstate are such naive morons. If you ask them, they will tell you that UW football would be as good or better than OSU or Michigan or PSU except that OSU and Michigan and PSU have more money and cheat and have much lower academic standards than the UW------which is all bullchit. Yet they lap it up. This has been the case for decades.
I have a golf buddy who believes that, too. When I told him the budget was 11th in the nation, he was flummoxed but still says it’s not the same somehow. And yes, always says everyone else cheats and they don’t
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Not all that different from the thought Bo Ryan was picking up guys from the YMCA since everyone else had their hands out.
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Not all that different from the thought Bo Ryan was picking up guys from the YMCA since everyone else had their hands out.
Yes, Bo too was the ultimate victim. Always some cheating, conniving bastard trying to interfere with his pursuit of success.
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They have it. The athletic department hasn’t fully embraced it yet
That’s what I heard from a football staff member.
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I know very little about college football but is it conceivable Chryst is fired? How bad is this Wisconsin team relative to preseason expectations? Historically bad? Does Whisky actually think they could get a coach that could compete with the best teams? I don't see it.
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Edit:: F the badgers
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Solid win for The Huskers. Could Mickey Joseph lead the team to a Big Ten West title?
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Is the B14 West better than the Sun Belt?
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The BADgers had 2 yards rushing total, at home, as a 7 pt favorite. I told friends that Bielama will know exactly how to shut down the BADger pathetically predictable offense. And I was right.
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Badgers problem is absolute lack of talent. The offense is no different than the one of three to six years ago that was going to BCS bowls. The offensive line is the worst I have seen in a long time and there just aren’t any decent receivers.
Kinda wonder if this is what it looks like when you see a program that was built on a decent amount in-state talent but football participation rates in the state are dropping.
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I know very little about college football but is it conceivable Chryst is fired? How bad is this Wisconsin team relative to preseason expectations? Historically bad? Does Whisky actually think they could get a coach that could compete with the best teams? I don't see it.
I suppose it’s possible. Things move a lot faster with regards to coaches in college football now. Not sure Wisconsin wants to be “that program” but there’s a lot of vitriol out there for him now.
I’ll say this. We live in social media driven knee-jerk society where we fire everybody after each bad stretchy. It’s not realistic or very smart
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Solid win for The Huskers. Could Mickey Joseph lead the team to a Big Ten West title?
I hope so. Then they’ll keep him probably and continue their irrelevancy
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Badgers problem is absolute lack of talent. The offense is no different than the one of three to six years ago that was going to BCS bowls. The offensive line is the worst I have seen in a long time and there just aren’t any decent receivers.
Kinda wonder if this is what it looks like when you see a program that was built on a decent amount in-state talent but football participation rates in the state are dropping.
They’re pinning the blame on Joe Rudolph and think Bostad will fix the line. They whiffed on Logan Brown but do have some young hosses who are supposed to be good.
The skill position players just aren’t very good outside the RB’s (maybe).
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The BADgers had 2 yards rushing total, at home, as a 7 pt favorite. I told friends that Bielama will know exactly how to shut down the BADger pathetically predictable offense. And I was right.
Here's hoping that you used your predictive powers to take out a second mortgage and bet it all on the Illini.
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The BADgers had 2 yards rushing total, at home, as a 7 pt favorite. I told friends that Bielama will know exactly how to shut down the BADger pathetically predictable offense. And I was right.
Did he learn something since Illinois lost 24-0 last year?
Again, this is largely a talent issue - not a coaching one. Chryst didn't forget how to coach offense. He just doesn't have the horses.
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Did he learn something since Illinois lost 24-0 last year?
Again, this is largely a talent issue - not a coaching one. Chryst didn't forget how to coach offense. He just doesn't have the horses.
And it’s not like the Badgers offense has drastically changed in the past 30 years.
Mike Leach runs the same 4-5 plays his entire career. The game isn’t the rocket science people make it out to be.
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Badgers problem is absolute lack of talent. The offense is no different than the one of three to six years ago that was going to BCS bowls. The offensive line is the worst I have seen in a long time and there just aren’t any decent receivers.
Kinda wonder if this is what it looks like when you see a program that was built on a decent amount in-state talent but football participation rates in the state are dropping.
Not even just that, the state never produced top level skill position players at any meaningful clip, which makes it even more difficult when thats your recruiting strategy.
Did he learn something since Illinois lost 24-0 last year?
Again, this is largely a talent issue - not a coaching one. Chryst didn't forget how to coach offense. He just doesn't have the horses.
Mostly agree, but I don't think hes adapted very well.
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Mike Leach runs the same 4-5 plays his entire career. The game isn’t the rocket science people make it out to be.
More coaches should be running those same 4-5 plays, a’ina?
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Paul Chryst out
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Lance Liopold’s agent soon to be the most popular man in America.
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Shocking the Platteville Posse allowed it to happen so quick.
Paul Chryst out
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Lance Liopold’s agent soon to be the most popular man in America.
Yup. No way this move isn’t made without a lot of discussions having already occurred. Leonhard probably has a chance to earn the job, I’d guess
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I doubt they would’ve fired him so early if the Nebraska job wasn’t vacant.
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I doubt they would’ve fired him so early if the Nebraska job wasn’t vacant.
It’s interesting timing. If Leonhard wins the west or finishes the year say, 6-1, going to be hard to not hire him
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Firing Chryst in the third quarter of the Packers game and then announcing you’re going to hold a presser tonight at 8pm, with most of Wisconsin sports media hours away in GB, is certainly a news dump.
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Chryst became mediocre Mike McCarthy before the Packers fired him - the game passed them by, zero desire to adapt, and no personality.
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Did Leipold grow up an obsessed Badger fan? Or did his 12 years in Nebraska imprint on him more. Wisco stunk when he was a kid/young adult and he was in Nebraska when they were still Nebraska. Who knows.
Related, its absolutely PRICELESS that Bielema put the nail in the coffin.
Chryst became mediocre Mike McCarthy before the Packers fired him - the game passed them by, zero desire to adapt, and no personality.
Couldn't say it better myself
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I think this is probably much more about something else other than two straight bad conference losses. I mean it's fairly common for B10 coaches to go into Columbus and get their asses handed to them--------Chryst isn't the first and he sure won't be the last. And while Illinois was an embarrassing stinker, a coach of his tenure should be allowed one of those once in a great while.
You'd have to be an insider to know for sure, but my guess is that he had lost complete control over the locker room and/or the confidence of his coordinators and assistant coaches.
Notwithstanding what happened at Nebraska, the mid-season timing is a little odd. And to my Badger fan friends ( the few that I have) be careful what you wish for.
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I think this is probably much more about something else other than two straight bad conference losses. I mean it's fairly common for B10 coaches to go into Columbus and get their asses handed to them--------Chryst isn't the first and he sure won't be the last. And while Illinois was an embarrassing stinker, a coach of his tenure should be allowed one of those once in a great while.
You'd have to be an insider to know for sure, but my guess is that he had lost complete control over the locker room and/or the confidence of his coordinators and assistant coaches.
Notwithstanding what happened at Nebraska, the mid-season timing is a little odd. And to my Badger fan friends ( the few that I have) be careful what you wish for.
Fair point. I think there are deep, deep, deep, issues at the Madison football program dtd. :)
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Did Leipold grow up an obsessed Badger fan? Or did his 12 years in Nebraska imprint on him more. Wisco stunk when he was a kid/young adult and he was in Nebraska when they were still Nebraska. Who knows.
Related, its absolutely PRICELESS that Bielema put the nail in the coffin.
Couldn't say it better myself
With a $16 million buyout, you can rest assured that money is coming from some rich dudes who have a coach in mind. With Gameday heading to Lawrence, it’d be a helluva thing to announce a new deal for the head coach to coincide with it.
Leonhard has a chance to earn the job over the next two months. I don’t know he’s the name the donors are salivating over but I’m willing to bet he has a lot of support in that locker room
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Pretty sure T-Cubed orr Woj wood bea interested, aina?
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Did Leipold grow up an obsessed Badger fan? Or did his 12 years in Nebraska imprint on him more. Wisco stunk when he was a kid/young adult and he was in Nebraska when they were still Nebraska. Who knows.
Related, its absolutely PRICELESS that Bielema put the nail in the coffin.
Couldn't say it better myself
Leipold is close to people at both programs. My guess is that he would be more interested in Nebraska.
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Pretty sure T-Cubed orr Woj wood bea interested, aina?
Crean already has the tackling dummy drills.
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Wisconsin had to do it. They are hooked on football as their public identity. They can't afford to be average in football. I don't blame them at all.
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Be careful what you wish for.
Sincerely,
Nebraska and Auburn
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Wisconsin had to do it. They are hooked on football as their public identity. They can't afford to be average in football. I don't blame them at all.
I was surprised only that it was done now rather than at season’s end.
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I was surprised only that it was done now rather than at season’s end.
I think they want to give Leonhard and audition.
Be careful what you wish for.
Sincerely,
Nebraska and Auburn
Yep. Especially Nebraska.
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I think they want to give Leonhard and audition.
Yep. Especially Nebraska.
Given the academic standards, perhaps Wisconsin should finally join the Ivy League and try to win there
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Given the academic standards, perhaps Wisconsin should finally join the Ivy League and try to win there
Wouldn't Wisconsin have to lower their academic standards to go to the Ivy League? I know Harvard is the Wisconsin-Madison of the east coast but would Wisconsin want to actually associate with them?
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Wouldn't Wisconsin have to lower their academic standards to go to the Ivy League? I know Harvard is the Wisconsin-Madison of the east coast but would Wisconsin want to actually associate with them?
No, it would give them a chance to upgrade the Ivy League’s academic standing. It would be another feather in their academic cap
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It's not like Leonard's defenses have been trending in the right direction over the last couple years. That side of the ball has declined just as much as the offense has.
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It's not like Leonard's defenses have been trending in the right direction over the last couple years. That side of the ball has declined just as much as the offense has.
Last year they lead the country in yards per game allowed and rushing defense, and were top ten in passing defense and points allowed.
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Last year they lead the country in yards per game allowed and rushing defense, and were top ten in passing defense and points allowed.
Lot of that is built on a soft Big Ten West
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Lot of that is built on a soft Big Ten West
They gave up a bunch late to both Notre Dame and Michigan, but otherwise the defense was absolutely fine last year.
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Lot of that is built on a soft Big Ten West
Yup.
Opponents offensive rank last year (out of 130):
Penn State - 82nd
Eastern Michigan - 79th
Notre Dame - 46th
Michigan - 29th
Illinois - 112th
Army - 83rd
Purdue - 34th
Iowa - 121st
Rutgers - 120th
Northwestern - 116th
Minnesota - 99th
Arizona State - 72nd
So, they played zero top 25 offenses, only three offenses in the top half and five ranked 99th or below.
Those three top half offenses managed to put up 78 points (not counting Notre Dame's two pick-sixes).
I'm sure the defense was fine, but they definitely benefited from a marshmallow soft schedule in which nearly half their opponents' offenses ranked in the bottom quarter of college football.
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They gave up a bunch late to both Notre Dame and Michigan, but otherwise the defense was absolutely fine last year.
Sure, it’s fine. And they’re a smart, disciplined defense but if they were plying dynamic offenses, I’d doubt they’d have the same numbers.
Michigan defenses were quite good, too, and then Ohio State ran all over them. Big Ten defenses simply lack elite speed to be truly great
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No, it would give them a chance to upgrade the Ivy League’s academic standing. It would be another feather in their academic cap
;D
Well played sir.
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Karl Dorrell got canned at CU yesterday as well.
Now up to 5 P5 coaches that got the boot before October really began
G Tech
Arizona St
Nebraska
Wisky
CU
Leashes aint getting longer.
CU is a fascinating program fall off. Really solid program all through the 70s and 80s. Then Bill McCartney turned them into a power. Neuheisel and Gary Barnett kept them in some varying level of good standing, but then starting with Dan Hawkins disaster there the program has turned into a joke. Interestingly similar to Nebraska, a former B12 rival.
Its a program with a great campus, great stadium, great history, lot of built in advantages. But they can't even keep talent home. Colorado has had 20-25 Top 400 recruits over the last 5 years. CU only got 1. Utah has become a pretty rich recruiting area. CU isn't grabbing any of that. Oregon has really swooped in and started raiding what used to be their territory. And thats just thinking Rocky Mountain area advantages. Not even considering CA or TX where they used to recruit well and don't stand a chance at the moment.
You gotta wonder if they bring Bieniemy back and overlook his black marks from 15 years ago. I don't think he's getting an NFL HC look this year or next. Otherwise, I think Illinois' DC is a CU alum and that defense has been legit.
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Karl Dorrell got canned at CU yesterday as well.
Now up to 5 P5 coaches that got the boot before October really began
G Tech
Arizona St
Nebraska
Wisky
CU
Leashes aint getting longer.
CU is a fascinating program fall off. Really solid program all through the 70s and 80s. Then Bill McCartney turned them into a power. Neuheisel and Gary Barnett kept them in some varying level of good standing, but then starting with Dan Hawkins disaster there the program has turned into a joke. Interestingly similar to Nebraska, a former B12 rival.
Its a program with a great campus, great stadium, great history, lot of built in advantages. But they can't even keep talent home. Colorado has had 20-25 Top 400 recruits over the last 5 years. CU only got 1. Utah has become a pretty rich recruiting area. CU isn't grabbing any of that. Oregon has really swooped in and started raiding what used to be their territory. And thats just thinking Rocky Mountain area advantages. Not even considering CA or TX where they used to recruit well and don't stand a chance at the moment.
You gotta wonder if they bring Bieniemy back and overlook his black marks from 15 years ago. I don't think he's getting an NFL HC look this year or next. Otherwise, I think Illinois' DC is a CU alum and that defense has been legit.
The Athletic did a great piece last year on the fall of CU football.
Lots of reasons for it, but the biggest is that the Texas and California recruiting pipelines that built them into a powerhouse mostly dried up when McCartney left and Texas, under Mack Brown, and USC, under Pete Carroll, became national powers again.
They also had too many off-field problems and whiffed on some coaching hires.
If you're a subscriber:
https://theathletic.com/3253765/2022/04/18/colorado-buffaloes-big-8-pac-12-decline/
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Karl Dorrell got canned at CU yesterday as well.
Now up to 5 P5 coaches that got the boot before October really began
G Tech
Arizona St
Nebraska
Wisky
CU
Leashes aint getting longer.
CU is a fascinating program fall off. Really solid program all through the 70s and 80s. Then Bill McCartney turned them into a power. Neuheisel and Gary Barnett kept them in some varying level of good standing, but then starting with Dan Hawkins disaster there the program has turned into a joke. Interestingly similar to Nebraska, a former B12 rival.
Its a program with a great campus, great stadium, great history, lot of built in advantages. But they can't even keep talent home. Colorado has had 20-25 Top 400 recruits over the last 5 years. CU only got 1. Utah has become a pretty rich recruiting area. CU isn't grabbing any of that. Oregon has really swooped in and started raiding what used to be their territory. And thats just thinking Rocky Mountain area advantages. Not even considering CA or TX where they used to recruit well and don't stand a chance at the moment.
You gotta wonder if they bring Bieniemy back and overlook his black marks from 15 years ago. I don't think he's getting an NFL HC look this year or next. Otherwise, I think Illinois' DC is a CU alum and that defense has been legit.
The tactics McCartney used for recruiting did not go over well in Boulder despite the success. While people look back on the success they had, including the 1990 co-national title, many in Boulder also remember the rash of arrests among the football team.
Per friends in Boulder at at CU, the biggest issue CU has had in recruiting is the population of Boulder and negative recruiting used by coaches, telling Black players they don't want to go there. Until recently, Boulder is currently 88% white. It is still less than 1% Black and the CU student population is only 2.6% Black. Additionally, CU has the reputation as a rich kid school, and the city of Boulder is very wealthy (the median home price is over $1 million). College sports is secondary for students and citizens there. Kids would rather ski or hike on the weekends than go to games. Plus, CU doesn't put much money into sports. CU just isn't a place where football success can be sustained.
If they want an experienced head coach with ties to the region, they should go with Bronco Mendenhall. He'd be a good guy to stabilize the program.
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I should have been more specific . My friend the Big Badger Benefactor was actually saying that they are not embracing NIL.
Is he sure? They have two already, a NIL launch platform and the Varsity Collective, just launched with some big backers. Plus, they have the advantage of being the only game in town in Madison. And they were one of the first schools in the Big Ten to adopt Alston benefits, which, IMO, is more important than NIL (and what MU needs to do) as it provides benefits to everyone.
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Is he sure? They have two already, a NIL launch platform and the Varsity Collective, just launched with some big backers. Plus, they have the advantage of being the only game in town in Madison. And they were one of the first schools in the Big Ten to adopt Alston benefits, which, IMO, is more important than NIL (and what MU needs to do) as it provides benefits to everyone.
Not sure the now former football coach was fully on board though.
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Per friends in Boulder at at CU, the biggest issue CU has had in recruiting is the population of Boulder and negative recruiting used by coaches, telling Black players they don't want to go there. Until recently, Boulder is currently 88% white. It is still less than 1% Black and the CU student population is only 2.6% Black. Additionally, CU has the reputation as a rich kid school, and the city of Boulder is very wealthy (the median home price is over $1 million). College sports is secondary for students and citizens there. Kids would rather ski or hike on the weekends than go to games. Plus, CU doesn't put much money into sports. CU just isn't a place where football success can be sustained.
The demographics of CU isn't starkly different than other big football schools. USC about 4%. U of Utah has less than 200 black students that aren't on the football or basketball teams. Oregon is 2.5% AA. U of Michigan is about 4%. ND about the same. And none of those, outside of USC, are in diverse areas. I don't buy that the greater demographics of a college town are a huge selling point. Otherwise how does anyone go to ND.
As for the bolded, thats simply not true either. Even though they've sucked, they still average 45-50K fans, in a stadium that holds just over 50K. Its the flagship university of a state that likes football. Maybe the wealthy REI crowd in Boulder proper doesn't go to games, but that doesn't mean gameday at Folsom isn't packed. They just averaged over 50K fans against last year.
CU's athletic department budget is around $90MM. They're not Oregon, but they're easily average, if not a bit higher, in the Pac12. Hardly spendthrifts
The recruiting comparisons to the heyday of CU football is very valid and a huge issue as they severely lack talent. However, the rest is just excuses for poor performance. Drive around the greater Boulder, or even Denver, area on a fall Saturday and there is black and gold everywhere. The spirit shops on campus are massive and have every CU monagramed item you could think of. Acting like its Mountain Country Club U with no athletic appeal or support is just unsubstantiated.
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I think this is probably much more about something else other than two straight bad conference losses. I mean it's fairly common for B10 coaches to go into Columbus and get their asses handed to them--------Chryst isn't the first and he sure won't be the last. And while Illinois was an embarrassing stinker, a coach of his tenure should be allowed one of those once in a great while.
You'd have to be an insider to know for sure, but my guess is that he had lost complete control over the locker room and/or the confidence of his coordinators and assistant coaches.
Notwithstanding what happened at Nebraska, the mid-season timing is a little odd. And to my Badger fan friends ( the few that I have) be careful what you wish for.
Nope. He was widely loved by the players and staff.
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CU's athletic department budget is around $90MM. They're not Oregon, but they're easily average, if not a bit higher, in the Pac12. Hardly spendthrifts
The recruiting comparisons to the heyday of CU football is very valid and a huge issue as they severely lack talent. However, the rest is just excuses for poor performance. Drive around the greater Boulder, or even Denver, area on a fall Saturday and there is black and gold everywhere. The spirit shops on campus are massive and have every CU monagramed item you could think of. Acting like its Mountain Country Club U with no athletic appeal or support is just unsubstantiated.
The main reason Tucker left CU for Michigan State was money - CU would not pony up to pay him nor his assistants. They're the DePaul of the Pac-12. Overall their football operating expenses are is 8th in the Pac-12.
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Nope. He was widely loved by the players and staff.
Rich donors pushed him out. End of story
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The main reason Tucker left CU for Michigan State was money - CU would not pony up to pay him nor his assistants. They're the DePaul of the Pac-12. Overall their football operating expenses are is 8th in the Pac-12.
That may have been the best decision CU has made in past two decades.
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That may have been the best decision CU has made in past two decades.
Michigan State blinked too early, LSU is glad they did
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Michigan State blinked too early, LSU is glad they did
it's not like MSU themselves is paying him though. It's two billionaire donors. MSU's inferiority complex killed them with Tucker - "he beat Michigan twice, we must keep him and give him Jimbo Fisher money. I mean. that worked out for TAMU..."
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it's not like MSU themselves is paying him though. It's two billionaire donors. MSU's inferiority complex killed them with Tucker - "he beat Michigan twice, we must keep him and give him Jimbo Fisher money. I mean. that worked out for TAMU..."
Well, that’s all major football schools. The schools aren’t paying these buyouts and contracts. Priorities and all
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This is insane.
https://twitter.com/JimMWeber/status/1577461664601223169?s=20&t=8eqZON8Nx_-bf-2FgYaT2A
And of course, the AD who signed this deal moved on to LSU.
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This is insane.
https://twitter.com/JimMWeber/status/1577461664601223169?s=20&t=8eqZON8Nx_-bf-2FgYaT2A
And of course, the AD who signed this deal moved on to LSU.
We have just stupid money here
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This is insane.
https://twitter.com/JimMWeber/status/1577461664601223169?s=20&t=8eqZON8Nx_-bf-2FgYaT2A
And of course, the AD who signed this deal moved on to LSU.
And they were bidding against themselves to give him that ridiculous contract. It's just Monopoly money for these schools now.
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The Athletic did a deep dive into the firing of Chryst. Basically chalks it up to a lot of disorganization, especially in the recruiting department, and a failure to get the most out of his talent.
It seems la bit like this is the athletic department getting its side out without putting is name behind it, but still a decent read.
https://theathletic.com/3661745/2022/10/06/paul-chryst-fired-wisconsin-jim-leonhard/?source=emp_shared_article
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The Athletic did a deep dive into the firing of Chryst. Basically chalks it up to a lot of disorganization, especially in the recruiting department, and a failure to get the most out of his talent.
It seems la bit like this is the athletic department getting its side out without putting is name behind it, but still a decent read.
https://theathletic.com/3661745/2022/10/06/paul-chryst-fired-wisconsin-jim-leonhard/?source=emp_shared_article
Mailing it in, is basically what I've heard around here.
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$11 mil plus what he's already earned is not a bad way to ease inta retirement, hey?
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$11 mil plus what he's already earned is not a bad way to ease inta retirement, hey?
It feels more like a face plant into retirement, but yeah easy street for sure.
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Aka IDGAF, hey?
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It sounds like the guy just wanted to coach football. Not to have to deal with recruiting, boosters, NIL, etc. It just doesn't work that way.
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Could've gotten $20 million.
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After seeing Jimbo's buyout I told my Badger friends they need to up their budget big time if they want to "compete for championships".
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It sounds like the guy just wanted to coach football. Not to have to deal with recruiting, boosters, NIL, etc. It just doesn't work that way.
The Mike Deane of College Football
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We have just stupid money here
When Fisher leaves, you probably won't be willing to pay even a quarter of his buyout, will you?
And you call yourself a TAMU fan!
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We have just stupid money here
https://twitter.com/JimMWeber/status/1578100041549549570?t=DwH4BH19m8wU6L2tExLjIQ&s=19
Just stupid money
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https://twitter.com/JimMWeber/status/1578100041549549570?t=DwH4BH19m8wU6L2tExLjIQ&s=19
Just stupid money
I don't see the big deal, he was just speaking facts
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Speaking of 'stupid money', how much does Michigan State pay their coach per win?
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Speaking of 'stupid money', how much does Michigan State pay their coach per win?
That defense of their’s is woof
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Lion's, Sparty....
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That defense of their’s is woof
Is giving up over 600 yds with 10 min still left in a game bad? (at home)
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Speaking of 'stupid money', how much does Michigan State pay their coach per win?
The amazing thing is so many years ago, The Spartans and their Board of Trustees did not want to pay Nick Saban top dollar so he left to go to LSU and the rest is history .
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The amazing thing is so many years ago, The Spartans and their Board of Trustees did not want to pay Nick Saban top dollar so he left to go to LSU and the rest is history .
That was forward thinking to have money set aside for the cost of having a pedophile rapist on staff.
Oh wait, the tax payers paid that.
Your right, poor decision by MSU.
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ND with some butt-ugly unis.
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How bout them Huskers 2-1 tied for lead in the Big Ten Worst
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The Athletic says Matt Rhule "will have his pick" of available college jobs after the season, and it specifically mentioned Auburn, Nebraska and Wisconsin.
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The Athletic says Matt Rhule "will have his pick" of available college jobs after the season, and it specifically mentioned Auburn, Nebraska and Wisconsin.
I’ll be quite shocked if it’s Wisconsin
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Yeah, it's Leonhard's job to lose. But I think McIntosh is going to want to hear how he plans on fixing the program as much behind the scenes as anything. Recruiting has been an issue.
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Yeah, it's Leonhard's job to lose. But I think McIntosh is going to want to hear how he plans on fixing the program as much behind the scenes as anything. Recruiting has been an issue.
I think Leipold would be next up before Rhule. Could be way off base here
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I think Leipold would be next up before Rhule. Could be way off base here
That’s my guess too. Rhule doesn’t have any real ties to that areas. His only tie to the Big Ten is playing for Penn State 25 years ago.
Maybe if Leonhard bombs, Leipold goes to UW and Nebraska goes for the biggest name.
Feels like Rhule’s agent has a friend at The Athletic that likes to get his name out there.
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Yeah, it's Leonhard's job to lose. But I think McIntosh is going to want to hear how he plans on fixing the program as much behind the scenes as anything. Recruiting has been an issue.
A huge problem with Chryst’s approach is that it drove Joe Rudolph away. This year’s O-Line is as bad as it gets at UW and last year was not much better.
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But Rudolph was a terrible coordinator.
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But Rudolph was a terrible coordinator.
I would say average at best rather than terrible, but a very good Line coach.
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A huge problem with Chryst’s approach is that it drove Joe Rudolph away. This year’s O-Line is as bad as it gets at UW and last year was not much better.
They’ve whiffed in recruiting. Line busts based on recruiting services aren’t uncommon. Madison usually avoids the busts but not recently.
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Feels like Rhule’s agent has a friend at The Athletic that likes to get his name out there.
Quite possible.
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The amazing thing is so many years ago, The Spartans and their Board of Trustees did not want to pay Nick Saban top dollar so he left to go to LSU and the rest is history .
First, that was 1999, a very different time with coaching contracts. And, the bigger issue was Saban felt he’d always play second chair to Izzo on campus.
If it hadn’t been LSU it would have been someone else. He was interviewing every year.
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First, that was 1999, a very different time with coaching contracts. And, the bigger issue was Saban felt he’d always play second chair to Izzo on campus.
If it hadn’t been LSU it would have been someone else. He was interviewing every year.
Yep, different landscape when it came to coach’s pay. Plus, back then, he was hardly NICK SABAN! He had four .500-ish years at MSU before going 9-2. He was considered a good college coach, but nothing close to what he’s become.
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Yep, different landscape when it came to coach’s pay. Plus, back then, he was hardly NICK SABAN! He had four .500-ish years at MSU before going 9-2. He was considered a good college coach, but nothing close to what he’s become.
I remember when his interim successor, Bobby Williams, won the bowl game that year and a fair number of MSU fans were insisting that he was a more than adequate replacement for Saban. He wasn't.
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Rooting for The Vols today.
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Watching Badger game on Fox - weird, they have shown Mel Tucker on camera 46 times to showing Jim Leonard twice.
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Watching Badger game on Fox - weird, they have shown Mel Tucker on camera 46 times to showing Jim Leonard twice.
Tuck leaks inside info like a sieve.
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Have you ever seen that?? Nice play by Tennessee.
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What in the F is the Michigan St. coach doing?
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BAM!!
I'm no expert but Wisky is not a good football team. :)
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I remember when his interim successor, Bobby Williams, won the bowl game that year and a fair number of MSU fans were insisting that he was a more than adequate replacement for Saban. He wasn't.
He was the players choice. MSU honored the team at a hoops game and on the mic advocated for him being hired and got the crowd chanting for Williams. Then the team marched to the MSU President’s house to rally. The admin buckled to the pressure and the guy was an unmitigated disaster.
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He was the players choice. MSU honored the team at a hoops game and on the mic advocated for him being hired and got the crowd chanting for Williams. Then the team marched to the MSU President’s house to rally. The admin buckled to the pressure and the guy was an unmitigated disaster.
People who remember MU as the Warriors are “old timers” but you remember Saban’s exit from MSU clear as day. 🤔
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Another fine performance by the Flailing Irish.
ND and Madison losing the same day is always fun. Maybe they’ll meet in the Weed Eater Bowl.
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People who remember MU as the Warriors are “old timers” but you remember Saban’s exit from MSU clear as day. 🤔
People who remember the First Warrior and Bleauteaux, which I referenced, are old timers - before my time at MU. I had no affiliation or ties of any kind with MU when we were Warriors. The Williams thing happened in 2000.
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Another fine performance by the Flailing Irish.
ND and Madison losing the same day is always fun. Maybe they’ll meet in the Weed Eater Bowl.
Both need to get to six wins first.
How long is Freeman’s deal?
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Continuing to enjoy the Wisconsin football season immensely. Embarrassing blowout losses ( Ohio St and Illinois) mixed in with nail biting losses to bad teams ( Wash St. And Much St.). A little something for schadenfreude enthusiasts of all stripes.
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Continuing to enjoy the Wisconsin football season immensely. Embarrassing blowout losses ( Ohio St and Illinois) mixed in with nail biting losses to bad teams ( Wash St. And Much St.). A little something for schadenfreude enthusiasts of all stripes.
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Yes. I was told Mertz was a surefire top 15 NFL pick DTD. Lucas called him the prototypical NFL QB. This seems.....ummmm... wrong? :)
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Yes. I was told Mertz was a surefire top 15 NFL pick DTD. Lucas called him the prototypical NFL QB. This seems.....ummmm... wrong? :)
He was overhyped because he was the highest rated QB the Badgers ever got on campus. That and his all-star game. Not all 4* QBs hit. Doesn’t help his skill players are average at best.
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I've been alerted that quite a few weasel/rodents are transferring from the Wisky program. It sounds like utter chaos to me.
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I've been alerted that quite a few weasel/rodents are transferring from the Wisky program. It sounds like utter chaos to me.
According to the Shopko Badgers, it’s a sign of Jim Leonhard getting rid of the locker room malcontents
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It really isn’t that surprising with a coaching change and immediate eligibility.
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Cuse up on Clemson 3rd quarter
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Cuse up on Clemson 3rd quarter
A week after mocking those who suggested that Clemson’s offense might run better with a QB change, Dabo Sweeney benched his QB for a ballyhooed freshman.
Meanwhile, Syracuse had a 3rd-and-25 play stopped but took an idiotic personal foul penalty. That saved a Clemson drive, and they were deep in Cuse territory as the 3Q ended, trailing 21-10.
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ACC higher ups have made the call
Clemson gotta take this one
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ACC higher ups have made the call
Clemson gotta take this one
The one was a bad no-call, but Cuse has a pretty big role in giving this game away.
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Well-earned loss by the Orange.
Terrible clock management, stoopid penalties, under-use of their excellent RB, 0 points in 2H, etc.
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Clemson fans storm the field after beating... Syracuse????
That should earn them a postseason ban
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Oregon’s uniforms. 😳😳😳
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Weber State has given up *four* safeties today on snaps over the punter’s head.
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Oregon’s uniforms. 😳😳😳
They are AWESOME.
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They are AWESOME.
Agree. Just wasn’t expecting them when I turned the game on.
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The goal line non-TD by Purdue and then not over-turned by replay is one of the worst calls ever.
That crew and replay official should be fired.
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I understand why the replay crew didn't overturn it. Why don't they have a camera right down the line? But it was an awful call - not even close.
But what I don't understand is why Purdue didn't go for two there.
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Clemson fans storm the field after beating... Syracuse????
That should earn them a postseason ban
Fans are allowed on the field after every game at Clemson. Its not a field storming. Its called the “Gathering at the Paw and goes back to 1942. They even let opposing fans on the field if their team wins.
https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article265076464.html
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Weber State has given up *four* safeties today on snaps over the punter’s head.
That might end up being the stat of the year. All by the same snapper?
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That might end up being the stat of the year. All by the same snapper?
Apparently.
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Oh my lord is that Jimbo Fischer contract looking horrendous.
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That is crazy. And they lost by 5. Do they not have a backup long snapper? After 2, WTF coach, have someone else snap.
I was a long snapper in high school, I snapped my very first snap as a freshman out of the endzone, but we were at the 2 yard line. Never had a bad snap the next four years. How a college player could snap four for safeties is mind boggling.
Weber State has given up *four* safeties today on snaps over the punter’s head.
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That is crazy. And they lost by 5. Do they not have a backup long snapper? After 2, WTF coach, have someone else snap.
I was a long snapper in high school, I snapped my very first snap as a freshman out of the endzone, but we were at the 2 yard line. Never had a bad snap the next four years. How a college player could snap four for safeties is mind boggling.
Is Muggsy the punter?
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Oh my lord is that Jimbo Fischer contract looking horrendous.
But wait, he's only been at A&M for five years, don't we need seven years to fairly evaluate him?
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Here's what Weber State coach Jay Hill said about the crazy situation, the rainy conditions and long snapper Grant Sands:
“Grant’s going to be fine. Grant Sands has been a great snapper for us and he’s going to be OK. He missed the first one and then you stick with him. He does the second one and I’m like ‘Grant, you’re going to be OK, just chill, relax. Snap with your technique.’ He’s always been a great snapper.
“He sails the third one, and now you’ve got to make a decision as a coach. Do you pull him and just say he’s not ready to go or do you try to let him regroup at halftime and see what he can pull out? I was banking on Grant.
“People can say ‘oh, you should’ve done it sooner.’ But you don’t know, under those conditions, backup snappers are no guarantees either. I sat there and watched (Montana State’s) snapper at halftime warming up and he snapped four balls that bounced to the punter, four in a row. So to just say put a new guy in there, that’s not necessarily the answer. Unless you’ve been in our shoes and have seen practices, and know how that goes, it’s just not necessarily always the answer. Sometimes it is."
https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/2022/oct/22/bewilderment-in-bozeman-montana-state-hangs-on-to-beat-weber-state-43-38-in-madcap-contest/
FWIW, Hill has coached Weber State to a 49-16 record and 4 conference titles since 2017, and they were 6-0 going into yesterday's game. In no way am I justifying his decision to stick with the long snapper; just saying he has been a pretty good coach.
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He’s an idiot (or had money on the other team). A bad grade school team would not botch 4 punt snaps for safeties.
Here's what Weber State coach Jay Hill said about the crazy situation, the rainy conditions and long snapper Grant Sands:
“Grant’s going to be fine. Grant Sands has been a great snapper for us and he’s going to be OK. He missed the first one and then you stick with him. He does the second one and I’m like ‘Grant, you’re going to be OK, just chill, relax. Snap with your technique.’ He’s always been a great snapper.
“He sails the third one, and now you’ve got to make a decision as a coach. Do you pull him and just say he’s not ready to go or do you try to let him regroup at halftime and see what he can pull out? I was banking on Grant.
“People can say ‘oh, you should’ve done it sooner.’ But you don’t know, under those conditions, backup snappers are no guarantees either. I sat there and watched (Montana State’s) snapper at halftime warming up and he snapped four balls that bounced to the punter, four in a row. So to just say put a new guy in there, that’s not necessarily the answer. Unless you’ve been in our shoes and have seen practices, and know how that goes, it’s just not necessarily always the answer. Sometimes it is."
https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/2022/oct/22/bewilderment-in-bozeman-montana-state-hangs-on-to-beat-weber-state-43-38-in-madcap-contest/
FWIW, Hill has coached Weber State to a 49-16 record and 4 conference titles since 2017, and they were 6-0 going into yesterday's game. In no way am I justifying his decision to stick with the long snapper; just saying he has been a pretty good coach.
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He’s an idiot (or had money on the other team). A bad grade school team would not botch 4 punt snaps for safeties.
I've never watched one second of Weber State football and I don't know the coach. All I know are the stats. Maybe the guy has lucked into a .754 winning percentage and 4 conference titles since 2017 and he really is an idiot. Or maybe he knows more about his personnel than either of us do. Or maybe he made a foolish decision and it cost him a game, something that can be said of every coach in every sport.
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The investigation and subsequent fallot from the tunnel in Ann Arbor will be interesting.
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The investigation and subsequent fallot from the tunnel in Ann Arbor will be interesting.
It’s not often a sideline reporter reports anything interesting a coach says at halftime. Last night was an exception when Mel “$95 Million Man” Tucker said Michigan couldn’t cover their wideouts and the proceeded to shut them out until garbage time
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It’s not often a sideline reporter reports anything interesting a coach says at halftime. Last night was an exception when Mel “$95 Million Man” Tucker said Michigan couldn’t cover their wideouts and the proceeded to shut them out until garbage time
Never really cared about Michigan State but they are getting what they deserve. Hard to feel bad for them when, as a taxpayer funded institution, they drop $95MM on Mel Tucker with a well deserved $500MM judgment against them. I guess the State of Michigan is flush with cash since the residents of Flint can drink bottled water instead of tap water.
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Never really cared about Michigan State but they are getting what they deserve. Hard to feel bad for them when, as a taxpayer funded institution, they drop $95MM on Mel Tucker with a well deserved $500MM judgment against them. I guess the State of Michigan is flush with cash since the residents of Flint can drink bottled water instead of tap water.
They have rich alumni paying Tucker $95 million but your point stands.
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Given some of Lane Kiffin's comments over the past week, those in Tuscaloosa who believe he's Saban's handpicked successor may be on to something.
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Given some of Lane Kiffin's comments over the past week, those in Tuscaloosa who believe he's Saban's handpicked successor may be on to something.
Lane Kiffin at Alabama as head coach would be amazing
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Harsin out at Auburn. 247 thinks Kiffin is choice number 1
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Harsin out at Auburn. 247 thinks Kiffin is choice number 1
If they don't get Kiffin, they are inevitably going to be disappointed at whomever they end up with. That is a hard gig with sky high expectations, but you are sandwiched in between Georgia and Alabama. Plus there is all the booster involvement...
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If they don't get Kiffin, they are inevitably going to be disappointed at whomever they end up with. That is a hard gig with sky high expectations, but you are sandwiched in between Georgia and Alabama. Plus there is all the booster involvement...
I have a hard time believing that Kiffin will see a lot of value shifting from Ole Miss to Auburn. Its not that much better a gig, and Auburn fans/athletic department are certifiably insane. Maybe I'm colored by the brief convo directly higher in this thread that he'll slide into the Bama job before too long.
This has Hugh Freeze written all over it to me.
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Todd Monken is who Auburn should hire, but probably won't.
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Scott Frost is available...
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I have a hard time believing that Kiffin will see a lot of value shifting from Ole Miss to Auburn. Its not that much better a gig, and Auburn fans/athletic department are certifiably insane. Maybe I'm colored by the brief convo directly higher in this thread that he'll slide into the Bama job before too long.
This has Hugh Freeze written all over it to me.
Totally agree. He's recruiting really well at Ole Miss, expectations are lower to the point that they are thrilled with him, and he can cruise until Bama or something else prestigious opens up. I think Kiffin at Bama would be fun as hell. I love him as a coach.
Freeze is interesting. Scumbag to be sure, but dude can coach. What he's done at Liberty in short order has been impressive.
Todd Monken is who Auburn should hire, but probably won't.
I think the best hire would have been if they had taken care of this in the offseason and gotten Sonny Dykes.
Outside of that, I think Jeff Traylor from UTSA would be a great hire. Former Arkansas assistant with Texas recruiting roots. Sooner or later someone is gonna entice Jamey Chadwell from Coastal Carolina too.
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If they don't get Kiffin, they are inevitably going to be disappointed at whomever they end up with. That is a hard gig with sky high expectations, but you are sandwiched in between Georgia and Alabama. Plus there is all the booster involvement...
You have to be a certain level crazy to take the gig.
The timing might be right for a new hire. Saban is 70 and history has taught us diminishing returns follow. Granted, Saban is built different and he’s defied a lot of history while at Alabama. Still, there might be a crack.
The problem you highlighte is a fully engaged Georgia program and I’ll add a revitalized Tennessee program
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The videos of that attack by Michigan State players are ugly and eye-opening. Criminal charges are possible.
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The videos of that attack by Michigan State players are ugly and eye-opening. Criminal charges are possible.
At this point, it’s ingrained in the Michigan State football culture. It was there under Dantonio and hasn’t gone away. Their whole identity revolves around beating Michigan.
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If they don't get Kiffin, they are inevitably going to be disappointed at whomever they end up with. That is a hard gig with sky high expectations, but you are sandwiched in between Georgia and Alabama. Plus there is all the booster involvement...
Auburn fans will take Freeze over Kiffin.
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At this point, it’s ingrained in the Michigan State football culture. It was there under Dantonio and hasn’t gone away. Their whole identity revolves around beating Michigan.
OK, but did they literally have to beat Michigan?
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Totally agree. He's recruiting really well at Ole Miss, expectations are lower to the point that they are thrilled with him, and he can cruise until Bama or something else prestigious opens up. I think Kiffin at Bama would be fun as hell. I love him as a coach.
Auburn is paying $15.3 million to fire Harsin, plus is still paying Malzahn's buyout. I suppose all bets are off on Kiffin if they give him that Jimbo Fisher treatment.
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I know the rankings don't mean sh*t now and it will work itself out in the end but where is the logic in the CFP poll?
On one hand the message is, Michigan - your name and the public perception don't mean anything, your SOS is garbage.
On the other hand is, TCU - your SOS don't mean anything, your name and public perception are garbage.
Can't they just pick a standard and stick to it?
Just an observation.
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I know the rankings don't mean sh*t now and it will work itself out in the end but where is the logic in the CFP poll?
On one hand the message is, Michigan - your name and the public perception don't mean anything, your SOS is garbage.
On the other hand is, TCU - your SOS don't mean anything, your name and public perception are garbage.
Can't they just pick a standard and stick to it?
Just an observation.
The chairman went on ESPN and said they’re looking for “complete teams” and TCU is 7 because their defense isn’t good
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The chairman went on ESPN and said they’re looking for “complete teams” and TCU is 7 because their defense isn’t good
Yep, TCU is very good but they gave up 34 to a 4-4 SMU, 31 to a mediocre 3-5 WVU team. Their D is porous.
I know the rankings don't mean sh*t now and it will work itself out in the end but where is the logic in the CFP poll?
On one hand the message is, Michigan - your name and the public perception don't mean anything, your SOS is garbage.
On the other hand is, TCU - your SOS don't mean anything, your name and public perception are garbage.
Can't they just pick a standard and stick to it?
Just an observation.
TCU has plenty of name and public perception. They upgraded conferences twice in less than 8 years due to their success and cache. They finished in the top 10 7 times in the last 15 years. They aren’t Rice.
They’ve had a nice year but their best wins won’t age well. OK St was a fantastic win until they got curbstomped by Kansas St and are clinging to the top 20. Oklahoma win looks pretty meh. The Kansas win was nice but is aging like milk. Kansas St is their best win right now and they lost to f-INT Tulane and snuck by meh Iowa St and Texas Tech teams. And TCU isn’t super convincing in the wins.
Meanwhile Michigan has THROTTLED teams. No margins under 2 TDs except for a weird Maryland game. Closest other margin was 13 against Iowa and that was a 3 score game going into the 4th.
And their SOS is 30th, TCU is 17th. It’s not wildly different.
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Yep, TCU is very good but they gave up 34 to a 4-4 SMU, 31 to a mediocre 3-5 WVU team. Their D is porous.
TCU has plenty of name and public perception. They upgraded conferences twice in less than 8 years due to their success and cache. They finished in the top 10 7 times in the last 15 years. They aren’t Rice.
They’ve had a nice year but their best wins won’t age well. OK St was a fantastic win until they got curbstomped by Kansas St and are clinging to the top 20. Oklahoma win looks pretty meh. The Kansas win was nice but is aging like milk. Kansas St is their best win right now and they lost to f-INT Tulane and snuck by meh Iowa St and Texas Tech teams. And TCU isn’t super convincing in the wins.
Meanwhile Michigan has THROTTLED teams. No margins under 2 TDs except for a weird Maryland game. Closest other margin was 13 against Iowa and that was a 3 score game going into the 4th.
And their SOS is 30th, TCU is 17th. It’s not wildly different.
If TCU wins out, they will have earned a spot. Ohio/Michigan loser is out. The SEC is poised to cannibalize itself. There’s a clear path for TCU and that’s to keep winning.
I watched the TCU-OSU game and TCU deserves credit for finding a way to win. OSU went into a shell for some reason the final 10 minutes or so. Never felt like TCU should have won that game but they did and that’s all that matters. Kind of shows how random things can be in the sport
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For the record, I'm not arguing TCU over Michigan just the lack of consistency.
Now, TCU over Alabama? TCU has 2 better wins than Bama has and zero losses.
In the end it all works out. I'm not worked up over the CFP.
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Games across the Midwest today will be something else
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If Pj Fleck isnt going to find a master tactician to pull the strings.
Hes gotta go.
Cornball terminology and being likeable to recruits can only go so far.
Would be absolutely brutal to be a gopher fan have hopes every year based off his hype only to watch the guy game plan and in game coach.
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So I guess Northwestern fans no longer have to worry about an NFL team stealing Fitz from them.
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Mo Ibrahim just took the Gophers 67 yards on 7 carries for a TD. Just stole Nebraska’s manhood
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Mo Ibrahim just took the Gophers 67 yards on 7 carries for a TD. Just stole Nebraska’s manhood
Unfortuantely for Minny, Fleck has no manhood and punted when Mo was screaming at him to go for it and end the game.
Now Nebraska driving with a chance to tie.
Since its Nebraska it probably ends up moot. But its been Flecks MO his whole tenure. Play not to lose instead of win.
Think people around here are getting real sick of his act.
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Unfortuantely for Minny, Fleck has no manhood and punted when Mo was screaming at him to go for it and end the game.
Now Nebraska driving with a chance to tie.
Since its Nebraska it probably ends up moot. But its been Flecks MO his whole tenure. Play not to lose instead of win.
Think people around here are getting real sick of his act.
WR drops its.
log jam at 3-3 in the west with damn Illinois close to winning it, nuts.
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Georgia impressively taking Tennessee behind the woodshed … even if Kirby Smart mismanaged the clock at the end of the half.
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Not a great day to be a Tennessee offensive lineman.
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LSU-Bama: Great 4th quarter, great finish, gutsy call by the guy who quit on ND.
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LSU-Bama: Great 4th quarter, great finish, gutsy call by the guy who quit on ND.
Obsessed with Kelly too, grampa? ::) ::) Sorry he left your beloved Irish for a better job and more money.
Liberty goes into Arkansas and beats the Razorbacks as a 14.5 point dog. A nice booster for Huge Freeze’s Auburn candidacy.n
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Obsessed with Kelly too, grampa? ::) ::) Sorry he left your beloved Irish for a better job and more money.
Liberty goes into Arkansas and beats the Razorbacks as a 14.5 point dog. A nice booster for Huge Freeze’s Auburn candidacy.n
Not sure if you don't get the joke or you're intentionally not getting the joke
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Obsessed with Kelly too, grampa? ::) ::) Sorry he left your beloved Irish for a better job and more money.
Wut?
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Kind of fun watching Bama fans reaction to losing two regular season football games in the context of Packer fans and Aaron Rodgers.
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Wisconsin is utterly embarrassing. If Leonard doesn’t have the guts to bench Mertz, he is not qualified to be a HC.
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Wisconsin is utterly embarrassing. If Leonard doesn’t have the guts to bench Mertz, he is not qualified to be a HC.
Thoroughly enjoyed watching this game. And you're right. Mertz isn't even an average D1 quarterback at this stage.
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Wisconsin is utterly embarrassing. If Leonard doesn’t have the guts to bench Mertz, he is not qualified to be a HC.
I couldn’t care less, but that shows how truly pathetic their QB recruiting is at the position. Their backups are a senior who has never played, a scrub walk on, and Burkett from Franklin who isn’t a B10 level talent and clearly not ready.
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I couldn’t care less, but that shows how truly pathetic their QB recruiting is at the position. Their backups are a senior who has never played, a scrub walk on, and Burkett from Franklin who isn’t a B10 level talent and clearly not ready.
They have a 3* coming in
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They have a 3* coming in
That'll have'em "jumpin around" at Camp Randy.
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That'll have'em "jumpin around" at Camp Randy.
Look for the media to spend a LOT of time talking about teams tampering with the Badger roster to distract from the loss. Already started
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Badgers are trending back down to the ugly times in the late 60s and 70s.
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Will Wisky fire the 2nd coach if they lose to Nebraska?
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Badgers are trending back down to the ugly times in the late 60s and 70s.
Hopefully, basketball is next.
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Would you take Georgia, Ohio St, or Michigan?
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Excuse my ignorance but I'm assuming a 24.4 QB rating is about as bad as it gets?
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Washington/Oregon has been a phenomenal game.
I think Penix has a chance to be the best pro QB out of this upcoming draft class.
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Excuse my ignorance but I'm assuming a 24.4 QB rating is about as bad as it gets?
Last week at Cinci, PJ Walker pulled a Blutarsky in the first half and was benched with the Panthers losing 35-0.
He’d have killed to have a 24.4!
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Reminder, Jimbo Fisher’s buyout is nearly $86 million.
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Reminder, Jimbo Fisher’s buyout is nearly $86 million.
That's chump change to some of the powers that be in Aggieland. This losing streak continues, they may be stirred to action.
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Notre Dame appeared to have broken open its game at Navy after the Navy coach called a halfback-option pass that was thrown badly and intercepted. In the blink of an eye, Navy went from being down only 21-13 with the ball late in the first half to being down 35-13 at halftime.
ND almost blew the entire lead, holding on to win by 3.
For its first TD, ND did have this amazing catch -- which the announcer "a reach-around."
https://twitter.com/theathletic/status/1591486636621176833?s=46&t=gNUUnutarqqr_uNNUlC51Q&source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=5466337
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Times are tough for ND sucks when the hockey team gets top billing in the SBT Sunday paper.
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JMU won yesterday to go to 6-3. Yet another FCS to FBS success story for an FCS power.
Liberty has been 40-19, won 3 bowl games, and made multiple top 25 appearances since making the jump 5 years ago.
App State has been really good in the Sun Belt and won a ton of games since making the jump almost 10 years ago.
WKU became a solid mid major program after jumping 15 years ago.
Georgia Southern was an FCS juggernaut who has now become a pretty good FBS program.
Sam Houston State, arguably one of the top 5 FCS programs of the last decade, and Jacksonville St both making the jump to FBS next year.
So one has to wonder if the Alabama of the FCS, NDSU, will make the move or are they happy being the big fish in a little pond. They already have a national recruiting profile, a pipeline into GA and FL, etc...
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So one has to wonder if the Alabama of the FCS, NDSU, will make the move or are they happy being the big fish in a little pond. They already have a national recruiting profile, a pipeline into GA and FL, etc...
I think the problem with them is geography. The good thing about those southern teams making the move is that they have a couple conference options - CUSA and Sun Belt. NDSU has...the MAC? Mountain West?
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I see that Nebraska is up 14-3 on Wisky. :)
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https://twitter.com/yahoosportscfb/status/1594050212657446912?s=46&t=LY79q7ALIMup54HnnwZ43A
Apparently you can only run a certain way.
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https://twitter.com/yahoosportscfb/status/1594050212657446912?s=46&t=LY79q7ALIMup54HnnwZ43A
Apparently you can only run a certain way.
Come again?? Bizarre.
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Wow is Nebraska terrible. I just don't think they can hold on.
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Interesting FG decision by Harbaugh - trailing by 4 with 3:14 to go and all 3 timeouts left.
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Interesting FG decision by Harbaugh - trailing by 4 with 3:14 to go and all 3 timeouts left.
The QB is terrible. 4th and 11, might as well take the points and trust the defense
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Turns out to have been a great call.
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TCU just pulled off a great comeback in Waco to remain undefeated.
If you get a chance to see replays, the last one minute is a great watch. No timeouts, TCU still runs with 17 seconds and then manages to scramble on the kick unit. The TCU kicker (who missed a PAT earlier to put them in this hairy spot) pops through a 45 yarder for the win.
TCU remains in Natl Champ hunt
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TCU just pulled off a great comeback in Waco to remain undefeated.
If you get a chance to see replays, the last one minute is a great watch. No timeouts, TCU still runs with 17 seconds and then manages to scramble on the kick unit. The TCU kicker (who missed a PAT earlier to put them in this hairy spot) pops through a 45 yarder for the win.
TCU remains in Natl Champ hunt
That’s as impressive a sequence as you’ll see all year
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Badgers Bowl eligible for 21st consecutive season with win over Huskers
Their team still sucks though
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B16 refs bail out Michigan, making sure they have an undefeated showdown next weekend.
Badgers Bowl eligible for 21st consecutive season with win over Huskers
Their team still sucks though
These days its a bigger accomplishment not being bowl eligible
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B16 refs bail out Michigan, making sure they have an undefeated showdown next weekend.
Which call was a "bail out"?
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Which call was a "bail out"?
The final drive. Receiver wasn’t out of bounds. Pick play on 4th and 3. The catch that wasn’t with 20 seconds left. Reviewing stopped the clock with 20 seconds left (and no time outs) and the call was upheld despite the ball hitting the ground.
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The final drive. Receiver wasn’t out of bounds. Pick play on 4th and 3. The catch that wasn’t with 20 seconds left. Reviewing stopped the clock with 20 seconds left (and no time outs) and the call was upheld despite the ball hitting the ground.
Lol. Cmon…. None of those were controversial.
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Michigan State lost in double overtime to a terrible Indiana team in East Landing, blowing 2 17-point leads in the second half. They outgained Indiana by 250 yards and had 29 first downs to Indiana’s 11. Indiana completed two passes. All game, one of which was in the second overtime. Michigan State missed a 22 yard fg as time expired in regulation as Sparty didn’t center the ball for a terrible kicker.
Mel Tucker needs to cut Kenneth Walker a big fat check
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Lol. Cmon…. None of those were controversial.
Not remotely controversial. The catch that wasn’t overturned was a 5 yard reception that set up 3rd down and 5 with :20 left when the refs stepped in. Michigan had plenty of time to spike it and if it was ruled incomplete, they move back 5 yards and get more time on the clock. They also have the best K in college football with a helping wind. Other than that, wildly controversial
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The final drive. Receiver wasn’t out of bounds. Pick play on 4th and 3. The catch that wasn’t with 20 seconds left. Reviewing stopped the clock with 20 seconds left (and no time outs) and the call was upheld despite the ball hitting the ground.
Hahahaha oh come on. 4th and 3 was an entirely legal play. “The catch that wasn’t” is just you having a decade outdated understanding of what a catch is (the ball can hit the ground). And that gave them an extra what, 5 feet? And then the refs “stopped the clock” a whole 0.5 seconds before Michigan snapped it to spike the ball? Lol.
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This Iowa / Minnesota game might be the Big Tenniest game I have ever seen.
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The final drive. Receiver wasn’t out of bounds. Pick play on 4th and 3. The catch that wasn’t with 20 seconds left. Reviewing stopped the clock with 20 seconds left (and no time outs) and the call was upheld despite the ball hitting the ground.
I blame antifa.
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I still think Lance Leipold is a fantastic coach and will get a better job eventually, but maybe we’ve put the brakes on him being the front runner for every job. Giving up 450 yards rushing and 55 points with less than 100 yards passing is BRUTAL. They’re gonna lose 6 of their last 7 and finish 6-6
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Their start made them look better than they are, but their starting QB was injured. He has accomplished a great deal there already. Nebraska ready? Eh. Idk. But he will have Kansas competitive for a long time.
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As I said…
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2022/11/20/jim-leonhard-is-expected-to-be-named-badgers-head-coach-this-week/69664489007/
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Their start made them look better than they are, but their starting QB was injured. He has accomplished a great deal there already. Nebraska ready? Eh. Idk. But he will have Kansas competitive for a long time.
Agreed, but their defense has been abysmal, they can’t stop anyone even if Daniels was healthy
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Michigan State big boosters wasting big money on an un proven Head Coach
Would have been better off putting those dollars to having the best roster money can buy
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Too afraid of losing him to LSU, though in retrospect he was never seriously targeted by them.
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Too afraid of losing him to LSU, though in retrospect he was never seriously targeted by them.
Hope Bruce Feldman gets a piece of that pie
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Lane Kiffin to Auburn
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Lane Kiffin to Auburn
Fully admit to being totally wrong on this one. Didn’t think he’d be that attracted to it. I imagine they will do something crazy to make him a top 5 paid coach for it to happen
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Fully admit to being totally wrong on this one. Didn’t think he’d be that attracted to it. I imagine they will do something crazy to make him a top 5 paid coach for it to happen
Hasn’t been verified by the big boys yet
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Hasn’t been verified by the big boys yet
And he just tweeted this
https://twitter.com/lane_kiffin/status/1594860344211447808?s=46&t=H7Am0yqgXE0V5flruN_PoQ
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Kiffin with a good chirp…
https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/1594870642595201024?s=20&t=HK8Z7cubL0VmNS6Yo-KukQ
Then this is hilarious…
https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/1594881175683637254?s=20&t=HK8Z7cubL0VmNS6Yo-KukQ
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As The Athletic's Chris Branch said:
I’d like to note in bold that Kiffin did not deny the possibility of leaving Ole Miss for Auburn. This is how he wins. He looks good to Rebel fans right now, but leaves no embarrassing paper trail of denials if he does take more money and run.
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As The Athletic's Chris Branch said:
I’d like to note in bold that Kiffin did not deny the possibility of leaving Ole Miss for Auburn. This is how he wins. He looks good to Rebel fans right now, but leaves no embarrassing paper trail of denials if he does take more money and run.
Right. And he can deny the report that he was going to leave on Friday before the game. He may announce on Sunday or something instead.
And I don't blame him for taking that gig. Auburn is a way better program. Ole Miss, despite having some good teams, is still the only program in the SEC West, outside of the newbie Texas A&M, not to go to a SEC Championship Game.
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Holtz denied he was going to ND and Barnett denied he was going to Colorado until the day before each bolted (Minnesota and Northwestern, respectively).
Barnett's was shytty because he called a team meeting the day before he bolted and promised his players that he wasn't leaving ... only to go the next day. There are ways to do these things ... but lying to the guys' faces about your loyalty after having just spent years preaching to them about THEIR loyalty is especially turdy.
No idea what Kiffin is telling his players. And like you, I totally get why he'd take the job. Still, it's laughable in the face of all the pearl-clutching that goes on when athletes transfer and/or try to make a buck.
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Still, it's laughable in the face of all the pearl-clutching that goes on when athletes transfer and/or try to make a buck.
For the past 100 years there has been a 1,000x more "pearl-clutching" about coaches moving on and 'gamming' schools into more pay than there has been for players.
To this day, the majority of media openly scorns the coaches while cheering the players.
As for the rest of your post, I agree 100%. There are almost no coaches or players you can trust to be loyal or honest. (maybe Jay Wright). It is the game they play and I'd play it the same way.
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For the past 100 years there has been a 1,000x more "pearl-clutching" about coaches moving on and 'gamming' schools into more pay than there has been for players.
To this day, the majority of media openly scorns the coaches while cheering the players.
As for the rest of your post, I agree 100%. There are almost no coaches or players you can trust to be loyal or honest. (maybe Jay Wright). It is the game they play and I'd play it the same way.
Many in the media still put coaches on pedestals. Look no further than those that cover the school 90 miles west of Milwaukee.
The national media loves to paint coaches as molders of young men and great winners. New media has eschewed that narrative. Bruce Feldman breaks a lot of stories because of his contacts, but it takes a lot of superfluous fluff about coaches that don’t deserve it. It’s still there, but enough new media doesn’t take the bait
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Many in the media still put coaches on pedestals. Look no further than those that cover the school 90 miles west of Milwaukee.
The national media loves to paint coaches as molders of young men and great winners. New media has eschewed that narrative. Bruce Feldman breaks a lot of stories because of his contacts, but it takes a lot of superfluous fluff about coaches that don’t deserve it. It’s still there, but enough new media doesn’t take the bait
Fair enough (Madison is a weird place that seems to have the desire to be thought of as cosmopolitan but acts and is very provincial), but look no further than Oklahoma to USC 'transfers'; Lincoln Riley had been criticized way more than Caleb Williams.
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I wasn’t talking about the media, I was talking about college sports fans.
For decades it was A-OK that coaches get paid big bucks and are always free agents … but even suggest that athletes have the kind of freedom all other students have or that they have the right to get compensated for their own NIL like all other students have, and there’s your pearl-clutching.
Just look at the Scoop threads on the subjects over the last couple years.
It’s been especially interesting to see so many advocates of unfettered capitalism and personal freedom saying, “Just be happy with your scholarship, shut up, and entertain me!”
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Charges filed against 7 Spartans over the tunnel fracas.
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Charges filed against 7 Spartans over the tunnel fracas.
Good thing MSU's athletic dorms share space with the East Lansing jail.
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Lots a noise about Matt Rhule heading to Nebraska. His record turning college programs around is pretty impressive, and he did it with recruiting, which will be the key to turning that program around. But the Big Ten is going to be difficult for a lot of these "next level" program with another blue blood in USC entering the conference in a couple of years.
I'm seeing a lot of comparisons to Bill Callahan and Mike Riley on their message boards, but I think that is not real accurate. Callahan was never a college head coach - prior to heading to Nebraska, his biggest college gig was as an OL coach. Mike Riley won enough at a place with low expectations at Oregon State, and that was never going to work at Nebraska.
I don't think his work with the Panthers has much bearing on his eventual success in college.
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Lots a noise about Matt Rhule heading to Nebraska. His record turning college programs around is pretty impressive, and he did it with recruiting, which will be the key to turning that program around. But the Big Ten is going to be difficult for a lot of these "next level" program with another blue blood in USC entering the conference in a couple of years.
I'm seeing a lot of comparisons to Bill Callahan and Mike Riley on their message boards, but I think that is not real accurate. Callahan was never a college head coach - prior to heading to Nebraska, his biggest college gig was as an OL coach. Mike Riley won enough at a place with low expectations at Oregon State, and that was never going to work at Nebraska.
I don't think his work with the Panthers has much bearing on his eventual success in college.
I’m not sure what Nebraska fan expected when they entered this cycle. I’d be thrilled if my program got Matt Rhule. He could fall flat on his face but my hunch is, he’ll run a solid program that is much more competitive and and a lot less inconsistent.
Nebraska isn’t returning to their heyday but with the right guy, they should be much better than they have been. They have the fanbase, resources and facilities. In the NIL era, they’ll have plenty of money.
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Rhule probably would take some recruits from Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota and the like, and I think he'd do a solid job there. But I agree with y'all that even Tom Osborne's Ghost can't bring that program back to its heyday.
Nebraska had its day in the sun, which is more than most "football schools" have.
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And now Colorado has reportedly offered its head gig to Deion Sanders. This sounds so oil and water that it’s either going to be spectacularly good or spectacularly bad. Either way it will be fun!
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And now Colorado has reportedly offered its head gig to Deion Sanders. This sounds so oil and water that it’s either going to be spectacularly good or spectacularly bad. Either way it will be fun!
If he has the support of the Colorado community and NIL setup, that’s a place he can win at. With the revamped PAC-12, there’s a chance to turn Colorado around
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TAMU. How do you like +10 today?
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Marquette’s club football team could defend better than Ohio State did on those last two possessions.
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TAMU. How do you like +10 today?
Ners can give you some advice on this.
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I don’t see much Ohio State football, but I can’t believe how bad these OSU defensive backs are.
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Not sure about kicking a 57 yard FG from the right hash up 11 with 9:30 left…
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I know they probably won’t, because of their previous hire, but I wonder if David Tepper contacts Shane Beamer’s agent.
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Refs gave another one to Michigan
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Refs gave another one to Michigan
Sad!
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I know they probably won’t, because of their previous hire, but I wonder if David Tepper contacts Shane Beamer’s agent.
Why?? Because he's local?
Hiring college coaches without NFL experience is not a recipe for success.
I wonder if Auburn is calling Beamer's agent.
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Rhule has a good opportunity with The Huskers . Nice timing to sign him now.
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Why?? Because he's local?
Hiring college coaches without NFL experience is not a recipe for success.
I wonder if Auburn is calling Beamer's agent.
Auburn is hiring Hugh Freeze, which is hilarious on many levels. Beamer should stay where he is cause IMO that is an underrated gig.
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If you’re not watching Oregon-Oregon State, you’re missing a colossal collapse
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Graham Mertz sucks, that’s all.
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If you’re not watching Oregon-Oregon State, you’re missing a colossal collapse
Cause they are playing for the most awesome trophy in college football.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRlSMFt0_5WX6ImR-Z5O5RMlqNq6YG25dXNFg&usqp=CAU)
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Cause they are playing for the most awesome trophy in college football.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRlSMFt0_5WX6ImR-Z5O5RMlqNq6YG25dXNFg&usqp=CAU)
That’s awesome
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Graham Mertz sucks, that’s all.
He is beyond awful. They should have rode the Chase Wolf express a couple weeks ago.
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Is the current coach of the Weasel/Rodents the guy they want long term,? I think I just saw that they were 1st and goal from the 5 and wound up 25 yards the other direction?
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Is the current coach of the Weasel/Rodents the guy they want long term,? I think I just saw that they were 1st and goal from the 5 and wound up 25 yards the other direction?
Crazy sequence
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Is the current coach of the Weasel/Rodents the guy they want long term,? I think I just saw that they were 1st and goal from the 5 and wound up 25 yards the other direction?
He was the guy. If Potrykus is writing he’ll get the job, it’s because the athletic department wants Leonhard to get the job. After today, woo boy, I don’t know
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Is the current coach of the Weasel/Rodents the guy they want long term,? I think I just saw that they were 1st and goal from the 5 and wound up 25 yards the other direction?
He's getting the gig. It's all about recruiting.
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Again, I am 100% on the TCU bandwagon. Just so I can see more of these.
https://twitter.com/TCUFootball/status/1596676277909741569?s=20&t=8iD75PukT2fCvnqxqZCGOg
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Again, I am 100% on the TCU bandwagon. Just so I can see more of these.
https://twitter.com/TCUFootball/status/1596676277909741569?s=20&t=8iD75PukT2fCvnqxqZCGOg
Great stuff. TCU keeping it fun.
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Nice win for USC. Playoff bound?
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Nice win for USC. Playoff bound?
Got to be #4. Who else, OSU?
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Got to be #4. Who else, OSU?
Yeah. That's the only other choice really.
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Again, I am 100% on the TCU bandwagon. Just so I can see more of these.
https://twitter.com/TCUFootball/status/1596676277909741569?s=20&t=8iD75PukT2fCvnqxqZCGOg
Well done! Frogs obviously have great hops.
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Are UGA, UM and TCU locks?
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Are UGA, UM and TCU locks?
Georgia and Michigan are. TCU can’t lose to KSU in the B12 championship game cause they’ll see both OSU and USC jump them IMO. (Assuming USC beats Utah.)
The real question assuming they all win will the fourth spot. My guess is that USC will get it cause OSU just looked bad.
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Can’t help but think that the powers that be are going to set up a Notre Dame - LSU matchup. Giving us, once again, a bowl game with an overmatched ND team. Some things never change.
And I say this as a ND fan. I’d love to see them placed in a bowl game with an appropriate opponent where they could be competitive.
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Can’t help but think that the powers that be are going to set up a Notre Dame - LSU matchup. Giving us, once again, a bowl game with an overmatched ND team. Some things never change.
And I say this as a ND fan. I’d love to see them placed in a bowl game with an appropriate opponent where they could be competitive.
Perhaps, but I think despite their loss last night, and a likely loss in the SEC Championship Game, LSU is going to be selected by the Citrus Bowl - just outside the NYD 6. ND just isn't ranked high enough. Jerry Palm has ND playing Mississippi State in the Gator Bowl.
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Ar da Badgers playin' inn da Toilet Bowl again dis yeer, hey?
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Ar da Badgers playin' inn da Toilet Bowl again dis yeer, hey?
Within a week or so, we’ll get the articles and comments from their media telling us how important these bowl practices are, even for the Toilet Bowl
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Ar da Badgers playin' inn da Toilet Bowl again dis yeer, hey?
Looks like they might be heading to the Pinstripe Bowl at Yankee Stadium - so same thing really.
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David Shaw resigns at Stanford. Tough gig but he had it rolling post-Harbaugh for awhile. What they did to Iowa in the Rose Bowl was criminal.
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I think Bill O’Brien makes a lot of sense there.
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Within a week or so, we’ll get the articles and comments from their media telling us how important these bowl practices are, even for the Toilet Bowl
As George Washington said, “Graham Mertz will lead thee down the toilet”.
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Well apparently Wisconsin is targeting Luke Fickell and not going to just give the gig to Jim Leonhard.
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Well apparently Wisconsin is targeting Luke Fickell and not going to just give the gig to Jim Leonhard.
Interesting. I think that would be a good hire.
I could be very wrong but hasn't Fickell passed on similar jobs in the past? Moving to the BIG XII will give him more money and resources at UC. Even though UC has been to the CFP, I think UW would be considered a step up?
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Well apparently Wisconsin is targeting Luke Fickell and not going to just give the gig to Jim Leonhard.
I’d take Fickell over Leonard any day.
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Interesting. I think that would be a good hire.
I could be very wrong but hasn't Fickell passed on similar jobs in the past? Moving to the BIG XII will give him more money and resources at UC. Even though UC has been to the CFP, I think UW would be considered a step up?
Wisconsin would be a definite step up. Though I wonder if he would rather stay at UC and see what happens to Ryan Day at OSU because they completely lost composure, especially on defense, when Michigan got rolling.
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Leonard replaces Joe Barry, hey?
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Interesting. I think that would be a good hire.
I could be very wrong but hasn't Fickell passed on similar jobs in the past? Moving to the BIG XII will give him more money and resources at UC. Even though UC has been to the CFP, I think UW would be considered a step up?
I believe he passed on MSU. So if he took Wisconsin, that would be interesting. Cause even with UM there, MSU is a much more fertile local recruiting area than Wisconsin.
Wisconsin would be a definite step up. Though I wonder if he would rather stay at UC and see what happens to Ryan Day at OSU because they completely lost composure, especially on defense, when Michigan got rolling.
That’s the big factor. Fickell may want to wait another year if Day doesn’t win a natty next year the powers that be could be ready for a change
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I’d take Fickell over Leonard any day.
In a heartbeat. Would be an incredible hire. Methinks this gets leaked to make it look like they did a national search. Hiring Fickell is a bold move because i think he’d leave for OSU in a heartbeat
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If Wisconsin can realistic shot at Fickell, they have to try. He would be a flight risk for OSU, but so would just about anyone else not named Jim Leonard. I wonder if this
In a heartbeat. Would be an incredible hire. Methinks this gets leaked to make it look like they did a national search.
is true. Becuase if they gave Leonard the tryout, whiffed on Fickell, and then offered Leonard, that would be an awkward situation.
I think if Fickell takes the Wisconsin job, its a sign that he missed his moment over the last couple of years, because he could've had better gigs. If not for Freeman's sudden momentum for the ND job, Fickell was going to be their guy. Before Michigan's run the last few years, the hypo of the moment was "would you ask Harbaugh to leave if you could get Fickell?"
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Soundin' like dunn deel, aina?
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Wild to leave for a job that is BARELY top 5 in the B14, before USC/UCLA join. You could argue for Nebraska as a better job with a decent coach, and Iowa isn’t far off. Wonder if he regrets not taking MSU
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Wild to leave for a job that is BARELY top 5 in the B14, before USC/UCLA join. You could argue for Nebraska as a better job with a decent coach, and Iowa isn’t far off. Wonder if he regrets not taking MSU
I would put UW fifth behind Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and Nebraska. But it’s close to Nebraska. Ahead of both Iowa and MSU.
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I hate Wisconsin, but that’s a great hire
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$3mm less per year than Nebraska had to pay Rhule.
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I can't believe they didn't at least call Billy Donovan.
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$3mm less per year than Nebraska had to pay Rhule.
And that’s why he’ll be the Ohio State coach within 5 years, unless, fingers crossed, he bombs at UW-Madison
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Great hire!
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Great hire!
Some bad news for you about your new hire:
https://twitter.com/CoachFick/status/1299444560486191105/photo/1
The Bearcats Football program stands with the Black Lives Matter movement. We understand in order for all lives to matter, Black lives should be prioritized too.
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Some bad news for you about your new hire:
https://twitter.com/CoachFick/status/1299444560486191105/photo/1
The Bearcats Football program stands with the Black Lives Matter movement. We understand in order for all lives to matter, Black lives should be prioritized too.
No issue with that statement at all. Now if they honored a guy who committed sexual assault and domestic abuse and was a child kidnapper, as MU did, I’d have a problem.
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Great hire!
I agree.
After a quick visit to a UC board, they seem fine with Fickell moving on (not saying they are happy) and there appears to be a lot of very good candidates. UC could move forward without missing a beat.
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I would put UW fifth behind Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and Nebraska. But it’s close to Nebraska. Ahead of both Iowa and MSU.
I think MSU is a better gig. Athletic department black eye aside, better history, better recent success, and a better recruiting footprint. You could lose the top 5 in state kids to UM and still get better in state recruits than Wisky.
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Potrykus the new #DoneDeal guy.
Someone behind the scenes played him like a fiddle.
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Want some fun reading, go over to Buckyville and read all Badger Mopes pissing all over the hire and their AD cause their favorite son Leonard did not get hired.
Crazy good hire - man are they mopes, you will see “the Wisconsin Way” thrown about enough times to make you vomit.
I hate Wisconsin, but that’s a great hire
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I think Fickell realizes that there is more to recruiting that signing fat white boys from Wisconsin.
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child kidnapper
Did he take the child to Comet Ping Pong, or did he eat the child right there on the spot?
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Want some fun reading, go over to Buckyville and read all Badger Mopes pissing all over the hire and their AD cause their favorite son Leonard did not get hired.
Crazy good hire - man are they mopes, you will see “the Wisconsin Way” thrown about enough times to make you vomit.
That is entertaining. Potroykus was played like a fiddle.
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That is entertaining. Potroykus was played like a fiddle.
It’s not like Fickell is bringing some new fangled offense that whips the ball all over the field. He will probably have an OC that uses the QB’s legs, though, so I get the great fear they might have one of those QBs
Best case scenario is this divides the fanbase and alum and Fickell gets the RichRod treatment at Michigan and never gets traction
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Deion to Colorado?
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-colorado-offered-deion-sanders-162453108.html
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How is Fickell going to bring talent from Cincy unless UW lowers its admissions standards?
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They are already trotting this out on the board - cause the Badger football team is full of Mensa members.
How is Fickell going to bring talent from Cincy unless UW lowers its admissions standards?
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Fickell/Cincinnati's prize QB recruit just went something like 21-23 for 252 while adding 149 rushing in the state championship game. Skeptical he will follow to Wisconsin.
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How is Fickell going to bring talent from Cincy unless UW lowers its admissions standards?
It’s the great tragedy of our times. The Wisconsin Way fighting the horrors of lower academic standards at their rivals.
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Fickell/Cincinnati's prize QB recruit just went something like 21-23 for 252 while adding 149 rushing in the state championship game. Skeptical he will follow to Wisconsin.
Especially when you see his wonderlic
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Trapped yourself into an unfair assumption. Nice. Google Brady Drogosh.
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I like this absurd expectation that Leonhard is returning as DC
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He gowne, hey?
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He is needed to carry on “the Wisconsin Way”
I like this absurd expectation that Leonhard is returning as DC
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Badgers seem to be making a quality hire .
Now they have to spend the necessary NIL to compete.
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Badgers seem to be making a quality hire .
Now they have to spend the necessary NIL to compete.
The bigger problem is that they haven’t wanted to spend money on recruiting. That has to change. They need at least 4-6 new hires for recruiting.
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The bigger problem is that they haven’t wanted to spend money on recruiting. That has to change. They need at least 4-6 new hires for recruiting.
This seems like a great hire for UW, but a weird jump for Fickell. I assume he fleshed these types of questions out. It just feels like he could have held out for a better job.
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The bigger problem is that they haven’t wanted to spend money on recruiting. That has to change. They need at least 4-6 new hires for recruiting.
I think Fickell realizes that there is more to recruiting that signing fat white boys from Wisconsin.
Agree with both of these points. This is also the interesting “risk” IMO with Fickell. He’s a very good coach and smart enough to know the “Wisconsin Way” and roster mentality is outdated and not working. But his rep was always as a great defensive mind, not an ace recruiter.
Add to that, the vast majority of his career as an assistant was at OSU, where you picked and chose stud recruits. Then he went to Cincinnati and assembled rosters made up largely of local Ohio kids, where he had 30 years of experience living, playing, and coaching in the state.
At Wisconsin, he’ll have neither of those. I don’t think it will be easy or likely to just go back to Ohio and poach kids there from OSU, UM, MSU, not to mention a soon to be Big12 UC. So he’ll have to create something new. The recruiting hires need to be home runs, cause he won’t inherit a roster suited to him
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Who'll be better in 2025 - Wisconsin under Fikell or Nebraska under Rhule?
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Who'll be better in 2025 - Wisconsin under Fikell or Nebraska under Rhule?
Cincinnati under Jim Leonhard
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Who'll be better in 2025 - Wisconsin under Fikell or Nebraska under Rhule?
Colorado under Deion
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Heard from a friend yesterday who is somewhat connected into the UW program that McIntosh was concerned about a lack of "organization" around the program under Chryst. That everything from recruiting, to game day planning to game management was a little chaotic, as opposed to the relatively tight ships run by both Alavarez and Beleima. And that none of this had gotten better under Leonhard, which is why he really wanted an experienced coach in that role.
And now you have another Auburn coaching search going off the rails...
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And now you have another Auburn coaching search going off the rails...
One cool thing amidst that insanity is the job that Cadillac Williams has done as the interim guy and the credit he's (rightfully) getting.
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Lane Kiffin pulled a Buzz, hinted at Auburn and then got an extension with enhanced compensation.
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Lane Kiffin pulled a Buzz, hinted at Auburn and then got an extension with enhanced compensation.
I don't think Kiffin pulled a Buzz. He didn't use one of his national mouthpieces like Buzz. He lit up the people reporting it on Twitter almost immediately.
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Agree with both of these points. This is also the interesting “risk” IMO with Fickell. He’s a very good coach and smart enough to know the “Wisconsin Way” and roster mentality is outdated and not working. But his rep was always as a great defensive mind, not an ace recruiter.
Add to that, the vast majority of his career as an assistant was at OSU, where you picked and chose stud recruits. Then he went to Cincinnati and assembled rosters made up largely of local Ohio kids, where he had 30 years of experience living, playing, and coaching in the state.
At Wisconsin, he’ll have neither of those. I don’t think it will be easy or likely to just go back to Ohio and poach kids there from OSU, UM, MSU, not to mention a soon to be Big12 UC. So he’ll have to create something new. The recruiting hires need to be home runs, cause he won’t inherit a roster suited to him
I don’t think Fickell - as picky as he has been - would have taken the job without some promises.
He will want facility upgrades and he will want a huge infusion of cash both to hire and keep good coaches and for recruiting.
The last year I could find stats for recruiting budgets was 2019. UW was 13th of the 14 teams in the B10 in budgeting for recruiting. Only Northwestern spent less. That will change.
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People were saying similar thinks about Nick Saban and Brian Kelly when they moved south. Good coaches have skill that go beyond their geographic area. And this isn't like Brian Harsin moving from Boise to Auburn - this is a guy moving further north in the midwest. To a program that has recruited plenty of Ohio student athletes.
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I don’t think Fickell - as picky as he has been - would have taken the job without some promises.
He will want facility upgrades and he will want a huge infusion of cash both to hire and keep good coaches and for recruiting.
The last year I could find stats for recruiting budgets was 2019. UW was 13th of the 14 teams in the B10 in budgeting for recruiting. Only Northwestern spent less. That will change.
We’ll see.
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Been very interesting to hear the Madison media today tripping over themselves to elevate Leonhard's accomplishments as the interim HC.
The other thing is how much they're crying poor in terms of UW's spending. Granted, I don't follow their athletic department much at all outside of rooting against them in hoops. But that's stunning to me, especially in light of the B1Gs TV deals.
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Been very interesting to hear the Madison media today tripping over themselves to elevate Leonhard's accomplishments as the interim HC.
The other thing is how much they're crying poor in terms of UW's spending. Granted, I don't follow their athletic department much at all outside of rooting against them in hoops. But that's stunning to me, especially in light of the B1Gs TV deals.
I’m at the point where I say it’s 50/50 this hire splits the program from the loyalist old guard and the Shopko Badger fanbase and younger folks.
McIntosh quells all of this by simply granting an interview with any journalist and telling them they will explore all options at the conclusion of the season after the Chryst hire and that Leonhard would be considered.
There’s been a lot of celebrating him but let’s see how this plays out. They don’t spend nearly as much as other Big Ten schools. Maybe that changes now but it’s obvious Fickell doesn’t have much support in the old media and with a small percentage of a vocal group of alum and fans
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Auburn is really pulling the trigger on Hugh Freeze.
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People were saying similar thinks about Nick Saban and Brian Kelly when they moved south. Good coaches have skill that go beyond their geographic area. And this isn't like Brian Harsin moving from Boise to Auburn - this is a guy moving further north in the midwest. To a program that has recruited plenty of Ohio student athletes.
Saban had coached at 7 schools and 2 NFL teams in 7 states before he moved to LSU. Brian Kelly (though the jury is still out) coached one of the most national facing college programs before LSU.
Fickell has not left Ohio for any role or job, other than a year with the Saints, in his life. The lions share with OSU, which is an animal in and of itself.
Even Harsin had far more varied experience in the Southeast (at Texas and Ark St) than Fickell has outside of Ohio.
I think very highly of Fickell. I think this is a home run hire for Wisconsin based on what their options were, but that doesn't mean that its not a valid concern or issue. He certainly has the skill, but he has to not only break a system and mentality around Wisconsin football that has existed for 25+ years, but also completely change all that he's done with recruiting.
FWIW, Wisconsin currently has 5 on the roster from Ohio. 4 years ago there were 7. 3 of those players overlap. Its not like there is a pipeline there.
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Auburn is really pulling the trigger on Hugh Freeze.
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This was great.
https://www.collegeandmagnolia.com/2022/11/28/23481893/do-not-hire-hugh-freeze
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Saban had coached at 7 schools and 2 NFL teams in 7 states before he moved to LSU. Brian Kelly (though the jury is still out) coached one of the most national facing college programs before LSU.
Fickell has not left Ohio for any role or job, other than a year with the Saints, in his life. The lions share with OSU, which is an animal in and of itself.
Even Harsin had far more varied experience in the Southeast (at Texas and Ark St) than Fickell has outside of Ohio.
I think very highly of Fickell. I think this is a home run hire for Wisconsin based on what their options were, but that doesn't mean that its not a valid concern or issue. He certainly has the skill, but he has to not only break a system and mentality around Wisconsin football that has existed for 25+ years, but also completely change all that he's done with recruiting.
It may be a talking point, but I think there's enough evidence out there- even excluding Saban and Kelly - that it's far from prohibitive for success.
Urban Meyer had spent his entire career in the Midwest, plus two years in Utah, before taking over at Florida.
Dennis Erickson was exclusively a West Coast guy before getting the Miami job.
The closest Jimmy Johnson was to the southeast before taking over at Miami was Arkansas.
Mack Brown never coached in Texas before landing the UT job.
Are there some notable cases in which a coach failed because of his lack of local connections? I don't think you can count Harsin. His failures went far beyond local recruiting. In fact, his class this year was fairly respectable.
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I’m at the point where I say it’s 50/50 this hire splits the program from the loyalist old guard and the Shopko Badger fanbase and younger folks.
McIntosh quells all of this by simply granting an interview with any journalist and telling them they will explore all options at the conclusion of the season after the Chryst hire and that Leonhard would be considered.
There’s been a lot of celebrating him but let’s see how this plays out. They don’t spend nearly as much as other Big Ten schools. Maybe that changes now but it’s obvious Fickell doesn’t have much support in the old media and with a small percentage of a vocal group of alum and fans
I think the biggest problem with UW fans is that they aren’t too bright. Most of them fully supported Chryst even as he was bringing the program down. I also don’t think this happens without Barry’s blessing and that will help assuage any I’ll will toward Fickell.
Once they actually learn who and what Fickell is, their attitude will probably change.
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It may be a talking point, but I think there's enough evidence out there- even excluding Saban and Kelly - that it's far from prohibitive for success.
Urban Meyer had spent his entire career in the Midwest, plus two years in Utah, before taking over at Florida.
Dennis Erickson was exclusively a West Coast guy before getting the Miami job.
The closest Jimmy Johnson was to the southeast before taking over at Miami was Arkansas.
Mack Brown never coached in Texas before landing the UT job.
Are there some notable cases in which a coach failed because of his lack of local connections? I don't think you can count Harsin. His failures went far beyond local recruiting. In fact, his class this year was fairly respectable.
Sure, but again, you're talking about regions versus a single state. And bringing up coaches who were all veterans of at least half a dozen other programs in different conferences and states. Mack Brown never coached IN Texas, but he had stints at 2 different programs right next door in LA and at their arch rival.
FWIW, I think Fickell is going to be quite successful, provided he doesn't head back to Columbus in a couple years. But if he does, it won't be due to shuttling a bunch of recruits down I-90/I-70 and then heading north.
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It may be a talking point, but I think there's enough evidence out there- even excluding Saban and Kelly - that it's far from prohibitive for success.
Urban Meyer had spent his entire career in the Midwest, plus two years in Utah, before taking over at Florida.
Dennis Erickson was exclusively a West Coast guy before getting the Miami job.
The closest Jimmy Johnson was to the southeast before taking over at Miami was Arkansas.
Mack Brown never coached in Texas before landing the UT job.
Are there some notable cases in which a coach failed because of his lack of local connections? I don't think you can count Harsin. His failures went far beyond local recruiting. In fact, his class this year was fairly respectable.
Matt Rhule at Baylor is another example. He went and took the job and hired local high school coaches to his staff and developed relationships across the state. I think that’s a missed reason as to why he might succeed at Nebraska, those relationships he built while in Texas and the fact one of the guys he hired is coaching Tech now.
Even though Mack Brown hadn’t coached in Texas, he had bounced around enough in the SE that he had a lot of experience outside North Carolina. He was also the OC at Oklahoma in ‘84.
Looking at the ‘84 Sooner results, they went 1-0-1 against teams ranked number one in the nation, winning at Nebraska and tieing Texas and beat #3 Oklahoma State. They lost at 5-6 Kansas. Finished the year losing the Orange Bowl to Washington where a win may have vaulted them to number 1 over BYU. What a wild season
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I think the biggest problem with UW fans is that they aren’t too bright. Most of them fully supported Chryst even as he was bringing the program down. I also don’t think this happens without Barry’s blessing and that will help assuage any I’ll will toward Fickell.
Once they actually learn who and what Fickell is, their attitude will probably change.
We’ll see. College fans are often leery of outsiders, especially one that’s been force fed Barry Alvarez BS for three decades.
Wisconsin is a new creature for Fickell. The stuff that flew for Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer won’t fly in Madison.
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We’ll see. College fans are often leery of outsiders, especially one that’s been force fed Barry Alvarez BS for three decades.
Wisconsin is a new creature for Fickell. The stuff that flew for Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer won’t fly in Madison.
Either way, it will be fun to watch.
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Either way, it will be fun to watch.
Listen, I’ve been asking the ones I know today that are the Wisconsin Way drummers what it’s like having to support a dude who learned from Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer and played at a school you say you despise because they cheat so bad and it’s been fun
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I have a hard time believing that Kiffin will see a lot of value shifting from Ole Miss to Auburn. Its not that much better a gig, and Auburn fans/athletic department are certifiably insane. Maybe I'm colored by the brief convo directly higher in this thread that he'll slide into the Bama job before too long.
This has Hugh Freeze written all over it to me.
You guys, I got one!!!
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Listen, I’ve been asking the ones I know today that are the Wisconsin Way drummers what it’s like having to support a dude who learned from Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer and played at a school you say you despise because they cheat so bad and it’s been fun
So, you don't differentiate. You love yanking everybody's chain. It isn't just a scoop thing.
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So, you don't differentiate. You love yanking everybody's chain. It isn't just a scoop thing.
It’s possible that is true.
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Bravo.
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ESPN's Chris Low with the worst tweet of the day.
@ClowESPN
There will be a lot of talk about Hugh Freeze’s missteps at Ole Miss, but everyone has a past. He’s coached in the SEC, recruited in the SEC and won in the SEC. He’s also beaten Nick Saban in back-to-back seasons. In other words, he checks a lot of boxes for @AuburnFootball.
Chris, not everyone has a past that includes harassing a sexual assault victim, arranging meetups with hookers on your school-issued phone, inappropriate behavior toward high school girls and had 33 wins vacated because of NCAA violations.
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We’ll see. College fans are often leery of outsiders, especially one that’s been force fed Barry Alvarez BS for three decades.
Wisconsin is a new creature for Fickell. The stuff that flew for Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer won’t fly in Madison.
For the benefit of someone with not much knowledge of UW, why do you say that? It's not like UW has been or has the reputation of being a clean program or actually having academic standards above the NCAA minimum; all thing we associate with OSU. What will not "fly" at UW that does at OSU?
UW is generally known as a football factory like OSU, Bama, Miami, etc. I don't think that is bad and it is working for them.
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For the benefit of someone with not much knowledge of UW, why do you say that? It's not like UW has been or has the reputation of being a clean program or actually having academic standards above the NCAA minimum; all thing we associate with OSU. What will not "fly" at UW that does at OSU?
UW is generally known as a football factory like OSU, Bama, Miami, etc. I don't think that is bad and it is working for them.
Ohio State is a real football factory. Wisconsin isn’t in the same stratosphere as Ohio State. Wisconsin isn’t taking borderline kids and the admissions side is not in line with the athletics side. It’s why Gary Andersen bolted.
While the notion Wisconsin isn’t as clean as they like to think is true. they do at least try and make academics and athletics work together. Ohio State is a true minor league and athletics run roughshod over the rest of the university
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Ohio State is a real football factory. Wisconsin isn’t in the same stratosphere as Ohio State. Wisconsin isn’t taking borderline kids and the admissions side is not in line with the athletics side. It’s why Gary Andersen bolted.
While the notion Wisconsin isn’t as clean as they like to think is true. they do at least try and make academics and athletics work together. Ohio State is a true minor league and athletics run roughshod over the rest of the university
Fair enough. You're right, OSU is a sports business with a college attached to it. Thanks for the response.
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ESPN's Chris Low with the worst tweet of the day.
@ClowESPN
There will be a lot of talk about Hugh Freeze’s missteps at Ole Miss, but everyone has a past. He’s coached in the SEC, recruited in the SEC and won in the SEC. He’s also beaten Nick Saban in back-to-back seasons. In other words, he checks a lot of boxes for @AuburnFootball.
Chris, not everyone has a past that includes harassing a sexual assault victim, arranging meetups with hookers on your school-issued phone, inappropriate behavior toward high school girls and had 33 wins vacated because of NCAA violations.
Whoops. Ty Pakumi.
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I think the biggest problem with UW fans is that they aren’t too bright. Most of them fully supported Chryst even as he was bringing the program down. I also don’t think this happens without Barry’s blessing and that will help assuage any I’ll will toward Fickell.
Once they actually learn who and what Fickell is, their attitude will probably change.
A old colleague who was recently on the UW Board of Regents said to me today “McIntosh doesn’t get up to take a piss without asking Barry.” Barry may be gone but he isn’t gone. McIntosh wouldn’t have gotten the job if he was going to do things his own way.
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or actually having academic standards above the NCAA minimum;
Didn't Diamond Stone end up at Maryland because he couldn't meet the tougher Wisconsin admission standards?
Isn't the same thing true of MU? Didn't Todd Mayo have some issues because even though he met NCAA standards, he fell short of the higher Marquette requirements.
Could be wrong about both.
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Didn't Diamond Stone end up at Maryland because he couldn't meet the tougher Wisconsin admission standards?
Isn't the same thing true of MU? Didn't Todd Mayo have some issues because even though he met NCAA standards, he fell short of the higher Marquette requirements.
Could be wrong about both.
Stone went to Maryland because it’s an Under Armour school. And possibly some other $$ at play. Academics are just the card UW plays whenever they get plunked recruiting.
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A old colleague who was recently on the UW Board of Regents said to me today “McIntosh doesn’t get up to take a piss without asking Barry.” Barry may be gone but he isn’t gone. McIntosh wouldn’t have gotten the job if he was going to do things his own way.
Barry wasn’t involved in this hire. He may have been informed, but from the beginning this was all Mac Intosh’s decision.
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Didn't Diamond Stone end up at Maryland because he couldn't meet the tougher Wisconsin admission standards?
Isn't the same thing true of MU? Didn't Todd Mayo have some issues because even though he met NCAA standards, he fell short of the higher Marquette requirements.
Could be wrong about both.
You are wrong about both
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Barry wasn’t involved in this hire. He may have been informed, but from the beginning this was all Mac Intosh’s decision.
Let me clarify this more. I have no doubt that at one time, McIntosh was largely running the athletic department while Alvarez was the athletic director. And I am sure there were times that he would have to check with Barry on every decision that was made.
But I know for a fact that there was growing frustration within the UW athletic department due to Barry by and large spending time down in Naples and not attending to the day-to-day aspects of his job. And from the looks of things, that included the football program (which reported to Barry until the end) which could explain its disorganization, etc.
McIntosh isn't a dummy and isn't running these decisions by Barry. In fact, I am about 99% positive that the UW chancellor and athletic board wanted to get away from the model where Barry was the titular figurehead and wanted the athletic department to run like its 2022 and not 1992. (For instance, they were WAY behind their peers with NIL mostly due to Chryst simply not liking it.) And that actually could have been McIntosh's biggest obstacle to getting the job, but he apparently convinced everyone that he was his own guy.
That is why I am 100% sure this was all McIntosh. Sure he likely kept Barry in the loop, but Barry hasn't been making decisions in the athletic department for awhile. And the idea that he is still running it in retirement just isn't accurate. There is no reason to.
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Let me clarify this more. I have no doubt that at one time, McIntosh was largely running the athletic department while Alvarez was the athletic director. And I am sure there were times that he would have to check with Barry on every decision that was made.
But I know for a fact that there was growing frustration within the UW athletic department due to Barry by and large spending time down in Naples and not attending to the day-to-day aspects of his job. And from the looks of things, that included the football program (which reported to Barry until the end) which could explain its disorganization, etc.
McIntosh isn't a dummy and isn't running these decisions by Barry. In fact, I am about 99% positive that the UW chancellor and athletic board wanted to get away from the model where Barry was the titular figurehead and wanted the athletic department to run like its 2022 and not 1992. (For instance, they were WAY behind their peers with NIL mostly due to Chryst simply not liking it.) And that actually could have been McIntosh's biggest obstacle to getting the job, but he apparently convinced everyone that he was his own guy.
That is why I am 100% sure this was all McIntosh. Sure he likely kept Barry in the loop, but Barry hasn't been making decisions in the athletic department for awhile. And the idea that he is still running it in retirement just isn't accurate. There is no reason to.
Correct
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Another great article on Hugh Freeze and Christian forgiveness
https://www.jasonkirk.fyi/p/hugh-freeze-auburn
"I don’t care that Freeze paid players. Paying players is the only awesome thing he’s ever done. I don’t care what he did with escorts, and hopefully any transactions were lucrative. These things join the ranks of Freeze’s more concerning scandals because he’d kept lying about them even after gaining the Liberty job, which further exposes the hollow hypocrisy of his pious branding. His assumption that everyone should “get over” his awful behavior reveals he’s surrounded himself with like-minded adults who share a specific misunderstanding of redemption, especially since he then worsened his reputation by trying to intimidate Chelsea Andrews.
Way too many Christians view forgiveness as something to be granted by a third-party arbiter, whom they happen to access via an encrypted connection not available to the human victim. It doesn’t cross their minds that they should face repercussions, make amends, alter behavior, or at very least thump their poorly read1 Bibles less frequently. They instead rub some church on it, wipe a tear while smiling at other Christians who share the appropriate demographics, and declare the matter resolved. They are then shocked to discover there are people outside their back-slapping huddle who don’t recognize the validity of the Get Out Of Consequences Free Card the offender has imagined into existence.
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Jesus encouraged forgiveness, to be clear. But he also demanded a system in which victims confront wrongdoers, with reconciliation far from automatically guaranteed:
“If your brother or sister sins against you, go and point out the fault when the two of you are alone. If you are listened to, you have regained that one. But if you are not listened to, take one or two others along with you, so that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If that person refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church, and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a tax collector.”
The rest of the Bible includes many reconciliation systems, from the Torah’s cleansing rituals through Revelation’s planet earth remade to God’s standards. Each has requirements, whether that means financial reparations, Ancient Israel’s detailed land covenant with God, or Jesus declaring forgiveness is for forgivers.
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Another great article on Hugh Freeze and Christian forgiveness
https://www.jasonkirk.fyi/p/hugh-freeze-auburn
"I don’t care that Freeze paid players. Paying players is the only awesome thing he’s ever done. I don’t care what he did with escorts, and hopefully any transactions were lucrative. These things join the ranks of Freeze’s more concerning scandals because he’d kept lying about them even after gaining the Liberty job, which further exposes the hollow hypocrisy of his pious branding. His assumption that everyone should “get over” his awful behavior reveals he’s surrounded himself with like-minded adults who share a specific misunderstanding of redemption, especially since he then worsened his reputation by trying to intimidate Chelsea Andrews.
Way too many Christians view forgiveness as something to be granted by a third-party arbiter, whom they happen to access via an encrypted connection not available to the human victim. It doesn’t cross their minds that they should face repercussions, make amends, alter behavior, or at very least thump their poorly read1 Bibles less frequently. They instead rub some church on it, wipe a tear while smiling at other Christians who share the appropriate demographics, and declare the matter resolved. They are then shocked to discover there are people outside their back-slapping huddle who don’t recognize the validity of the Get Out Of Consequences Free Card the offender has imagined into existence.
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Jesus encouraged forgiveness, to be clear. But he also demanded a system in which victims confront wrongdoers, with reconciliation far from automatically guaranteed:
“If your brother or sister sins against you, go and point out the fault when the two of you are alone. If you are listened to, you have regained that one. But if you are not listened to, take one or two others along with you, so that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If that person refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church, and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a tax collector.”
The rest of the Bible includes many reconciliation systems, from the Torah’s cleansing rituals through Revelation’s planet earth remade to God’s standards. Each has requirements, whether that means financial reparations, Ancient Israel’s detailed land covenant with God, or Jesus declaring forgiveness is for forgivers.
I think that hits on the biggest thing with Freeze. Not that he acted inappropriately and got caught, but that he is unrepentant and seemingly doesn't give a f***. "Whatever get over it" is super lame.
He's unquestionably a great coach, he's proved it on multiple levels. But he's also unquestionably a POS.
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I think that hits on the biggest thing with Freeze. Not that he acted inappropriately and got caught, but that he is unrepentant and seemingly doesn't give a f***. "Whatever get over it" is super lame.
He's unquestionably a great coach, he's proved it on multiple levels. But he's also unquestionably a POS.
He's perfect for Auburn and the SEC.
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I think that hits on the biggest thing with Freeze. Not that he acted inappropriately and got caught, but that he is unrepentant and seemingly doesn't give a f***. "Whatever get over it" is super lame.
He's unquestionably a great coach, he's proved it on multiple levels. But he's also unquestionably a POS.
I'm not sure he's unquestionably a great coach.
Ole Miss isn't the easiest place to win, and the SEC West is tough sledding, but his winning percentage there (.609) is worse than Kiffin's (.676), the same as David Cutcliffe's (.603) and only a little better than Sen. Tommy Tuberville (.556). He had a losing conference record overall and finished 5th, 5th, 3rd, 2nd and 7th in the SEC West.
And, safe to say he left the program in worse shape than he inherited it, which is saying something given how badly the Houston Nutt era ended there.
His reputation is built largely on two wins over Bama, one of which was the flukiest of flukey games.
I think he's a good coach, but as the piece Sultan linked yesterday notes, he's less accomplished than the guy Auburn fired two years ago with 10 times the baggage and risk.
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I'm not sure he's unquestionably a great coach.
Ole Miss isn't the easiest place to win, and the SEC West is tough sledding, but his winning percentage there (.609) is worse than Kiffin's (.676), the same as David Cutcliffe's (.603) and only a little better than Sen. Tommy Tuberville (.556). He had a losing conference record overall and finished 5th, 5th, 3rd, 2nd and 7th in the SEC West.
And, safe to say he left the program in worse shape than he inherited it, which is saying something given how badly the Houston Nutt era ended there.
His reputation is built largely on two wins over Bama, one of which was the flukiest of flukey games.
I think he's a good coach, but as the piece Sultan linked yesterday notes, he's less accomplished than the guy Auburn fired two years ago with 10 times the baggage and risk.
I'm looking at his career. He was a consistently fantastic HS coach. Then went to the NAIA level, took over a moribund program and turned it around instantly and took them to their undefeated regular season and first quarterfinal in a decade. Incredibly fast 1 season turnaround at Ark St, another program that had been meh for years. Ole Miss had won 4 games the previous 2 seasons. He got them to 7-8 win seasons and beating top 10 ranked teams and Bama within 2 years.
His work at Liberty was really good too. Turning them into a top 25 team and potent offense after just 2 years at the FBS level is impressive.
I don't think he's the second coming of Nick Saban, or even Pat Dye, but he's a great coach who has won at all levels, which means something to me from a purely football perspective (feel the same way about Mussleman as a BB coach).
But like you said, he left Ole Miss in shambles and there is something to be said for that. Not to mention a complete lack of regret means he's doomed to repeat history in some fashion.
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Sure, why not.
@JTalty: Sources confirm that UAB is expected to hire former NFL QB Trent Dilfer as its next head coach. The deal has not been finalized but the two sides are expected to come to terms.
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Jon Kitna's kid and the likely Florida starting QB heading into 2023 ...
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35149554/florida-qb-jalen-kitna-jailed-child-pornography-counts
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Jon Kitna's kid and the likely Florida starting QB heading into 2023 ...
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35149554/florida-qb-jalen-kitna-jailed-child-pornography-counts
Jon Kitna’s kid, huh?
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More college football police blotter. This time, Mickey Joseph
https://twitter.com/lincoln_police/status/1598098154532245505?s=46&t=7QRdh0H5yuyq5-DMOS2QpQ
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Ohio State has asked not to play in the Rose Bowl should they not be selected for the playoff
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I think Ohio State and Tony LaRussa would be a perfect match.
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Ohio State has asked not to play in the Rose Bowl should they not be selected for the playoff
They didn't sell out their allotment of tickets last year. That problem would likely be worse this year. Apparently they would prefer the Orange or Sugar.
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They didn't sell out their allotment of tickets last year. That problem would likely be worse this year. Apparently they would prefer the Orange or Sugar.
And it sounds like the Rose Bowl might prefer Penn State.
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And it sounds like the Rose Bowl might prefer Penn State.
Barry Alvarez is rolling off whatever skank he’s with in disbelief someone would turn down a Rose Bowl
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Lane Kiffin remains college football's Twitter GOAT
https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/1597895745129979904
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Sure, why not.
@JTalty: Sources confirm that UAB is expected to hire former NFL QB Trent Dilfer as its next head coach. The deal has not been finalized but the two sides are expected to come to terms.
This is a little less absurd when you dig into it. He’s been a really good HS coach for a few years and also, more importantly, he’s been head of the Elite 11 for years. So he’s likely well connected in the recruiting circles.
Lane Kiffin remains college football's Twitter GOAT
https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/1597895745129979904
Man, Ole Miss-Auburn, and the lead up to it, next year is gonna be must watch
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He's getting the gig. It's all about recruiting.
hehehehehe
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I think Fickell realizes that there is more to recruiting that signing fat white boys from Wisconsin.
Depends on the person really. The Watts, and a ton of professional OL guys are still "fat white boys from Wisconsin".
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Heard from a friend yesterday who is somewhat connected into the UW program that McIntosh was concerned about a lack of "organization" around the program under Chryst. That everything from recruiting, to game day planning to game management was a little chaotic, as opposed to the relatively tight ships run by both Alavarez and Beleima. And that none of this had gotten better under Leonhard, which is why he really wanted an experienced coach in that role.
And now you have another Auburn coaching search going off the rails...
I have also heard this since before Chryst was sent packing.
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hehehehehe
Hey, me being wrong is hardly new. Just add it to the list.
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Hey, me being wrong is hardly new. Just add it to the list.
I actually was pretty sure they had their sights set on Lance Leipold. So I would have been wrong as well.
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I actually was pretty sure they had their sights set on Lance Leipold. So I would have been wrong as well.
The alum that helped pay the check for Chryst to go away was definitely pushing for Leipold.
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Still can't spell Lincoln without two Ls.
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Outstanding D by USC.
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Is USC out?
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Is USC out?
I would think.
Georgia, Michigan and Ohio State are in regardless of what happens today.
TCU is in if they win, but are they in with a close loss? A blowout loss?
If the answer to either of those is no, I can see Clemson getting in if they beat UNC, and even Alabama getting the nod before you get back to USC.
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Is USC out?
Yes, but that was a good season for the men of Troy. To be back in the mix that fast under Riley bodes well. What doesn’t bode well is, his defense was still trash. One thing not to be talented, another thing to not be able to tackle or attempt tackling
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Sounds like Prime Time is heading to Colorado. Let’s go Buffs
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I would think.
Georgia, Michigan and Ohio State are in regardless of what happens today.
TCU is in if they win, but are they in with a close loss? A blowout loss?
If the answer to either of those is no, I can see Clemson getting in if they beat UNC, and even Alabama getting the nod before you get back to USC.
I think you are right. This process is crazy. I heard on ESPN radio yesterday, TCU will be #3 even with a loss. They ran through the numbers (SOS, SOR, etc.) and it made sense.
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I think you are right. This process is crazy. I heard on ESPN radio yesterday, TCU will be #3 even with a loss. They ran through the numbers (SOS, SOR, etc.) and it made sense.
All that’s left to do is seeding
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Yes, but that was a good season for the men of Troy. To be back in the mix that fast under Riley bodes well. What doesn’t bode well is, his defense was still trash. One thing not to be talented, another thing to not be able to tackle or attempt tackling
Agreed. They really seemed to lose life after Williams got hurt. But this program is back at the top already and have another stud QB coming
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TCU only losing once, in OT, to a team they already beat, should be good enough.
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BTW, unless they turn the ball over a ton, no one is beating Georgia.
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BTW, unless they turn the ball over a ton, no one is beating Georgia.
I don't think anyone can stop UGA. The rest of the field (Mich, TCU & OSU) is legit but UGA is in another class.
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I think you are right. This process is crazy. I heard on ESPN radio yesterday, TCU will be #3 even with a loss. They ran through the numbers (SOS, SOR, etc.) and it made sense.
I think that will also hold up if for no other reason to prevent a Michigan-OSU rematch in the semis.
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What are the chances Georgia doesn't win it? Zero?
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What are the chances Georgia doesn't win it? Zero?
I’d say about 20%. But if I’m wrong then I was 80% off and Lenny will remind you how off I was. Risk I’m willing to take.
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Clemson fans are upset that it took Dabo Sweeney so long to finally bench DJ Uiagalelei.
Even semi-competent QB play would have been enough for Clemson to beat a bad South Carolina team last week. Sweeney finally put 5-star freshman Cade Klubnik in yesterday, and Clemson overcame another bad Uiagalelei start to steamroll UNC.
Had Clemson beaten South Carolina, given all the other results of the past 2 weeks, they'd likely be in the playoffs.
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Clemson fans are upset that it took Dabo Sweeney so long to finally bench DJ Uiagalelei.
Even semi-competent QB play would have been enough for Clemson to beat a bad South Carolina team last week. Sweeney finally put 5-star freshman Cade Klubnik in yesterday, and Clemson overcame another bad Uiagalelei start to steamroll UNC.
Had Clemson beaten South Carolina, given all the other results of the past 2 weeks, they'd likely be in the playoffs.
South Carolina is hardly "bad." They're ranked #19 and finished 8-4. Shane Beemer is doing a really good job there.
DJ has not been great, but neither has their defense. Brent Venables leaving to coach Oklahoma actually made two teams worse.
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It’ll be interesting to see what the matchups are. I know this is very unpopular but I would seed them like this:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. TCU
4. USC
I am strongly against the idea that teams that play in a conference championship game have something to lose against teams that don’t. It really makes zero sense to me. Teams that don’t play in their conference championship should be locked into their ranking as an upper limit with only the possibility to get bumped down.
Though that doesn’t seem like the reality and won’t be the case. Considering that, I don’t see how the committee doesn’t match up OSU and Michigan at 2 and 3. Otherwise, the playoff matchups will likely be a huge dud.
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Alabama isn't getting in with two losses, but Saban was right yesterday when he pointed out that if matched up against TCU or OSU, his team would be the favorite.
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Alabama isn't getting in with two losses, but Saban was right yesterday when he pointed out that if matched up against TCU or OSU, his team would be the favorite.
Alabama is 3-5-1 against the spread against Power Five opponents this year, so it's not like you can trust the Crimson Tide to actually match that Vegas hype.
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Alabama is 3-5-1 against the spread against Power Five opponents this year, so it's not like you can trust the Crimson Tide to actually match that Vegas hype.
I'm not sure that his point has anything to do with Bama's record ATS. I think the suggestion is that the consensus says Bama is a better team. He's right. Alabama would be the moneyline favorite over both TCU and OSU, and probably a double-digit spread favorite over TCU.
Bama made its bed with two losses, but Saban's not wrong.
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It’ll be interesting to see what the matchups are. I know this is very unpopular but I would seed them like this:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. TCU
4. USC
I am strongly against the idea that teams that play in a conference championship game have something to lose against teams that don’t. It really makes zero sense to me. Teams that don’t play in their conference championship should be locked into their ranking as an upper limit with only the possibility to get bumped down.
Though that doesn’t seem like the reality and won’t be the case. Considering that, I don’t see how the committee doesn’t match up OSU and Michigan at 2 and 3. Otherwise, the playoff matchups will likely be a huge dud.
Replace USC with OSU
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I'm not sure that his point has anything to do with Bama's record ATS. I think the suggestion is that the consensus says Bama is a better team. He's right. Alabama would be the moneyline favorite over both TCU and OSU, and probably a double-digit spread favorite over TCU.
Bama made its bed with two losses, but Saban's not wrong.
He's not wrong, but it's not really relevant. Creating hypothetical scenarios is a road that the committee shouldn't (and generally doesn't) go down.
I mean, Ohio State and Notre Dame would have been favored last year in a match-up with Cincinnati.
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I'm not sure that his point has anything to do with Bama's record ATS. I think the suggestion is that the consensus says Bama is a better team. He's right. Alabama would be the moneyline favorite over both TCU and OSU, and probably a double-digit spread favorite over TCU.
Bama made its bed with two losses, but Saban's not wrong.
You make sense. I'd be interested to see where the computers would have the lines vs OSU and TCU.
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It’ll be interesting to see what the matchups are. I know this is very unpopular but I would seed them like this:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. TCU
4. USC
I am strongly against the idea that teams that play in a conference championship game have something to lose against teams that don’t. It really makes zero sense to me. Teams that don’t play in their conference championship should be locked into their ranking as an upper limit with only the possibility to get bumped down.
Though that doesn’t seem like the reality and won’t be the case. Considering that, I don’t see how the committee doesn’t match up OSU and Michigan at 2 and 3. Otherwise, the playoff matchups will likely be a huge dud.
The B12 created a championship game a few years ago because they both wanted the cash and wanted to give a fringe playoff team another shot at a quality win at the end of the year. It seems to me that if a program can IMPROVE their odds to get in through a championship game, they can also WORSEN their odds too.
But I think TCU should be in.
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I mean, Ohio State and Notre Dame would have been favored last year in a match-up with Cincinnati.
Ohio State maybe, but Notre Dame? The same Notre Dame that Cincy hung an 11-point home loss on in October?
FWIW, the stated mission of the selection committee is to "select the best teams."
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Ohio State maybe, but Notre Dame? The same Notre Dame that Cincy hung an 11-point home loss on in October?
FWIW, the stated mission of the selection committee is to "select the best teams."
To be honest, I originally just had Ohio State but lazily added ND without remembering the head-to-head.
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Great news for Fickell and the Badgers.
Mertz to transfer portal.
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Great news for Fickell and the Badgers.
Mertz to transfer portal.
Damn.
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https://www.al.com/sec/2022/12/deion-sanders-tells-colorado-players-to-hit-portal-im-bringing-my-luggage-with-me-and-its-louis.html
Again, I am not sure this is going to work. But it's going to be fun to watch either way.
And I give Colorado a lot of credit for doing something WAY different than they have done before.
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https://www.al.com/sec/2022/12/deion-sanders-tells-colorado-players-to-hit-portal-im-bringing-my-luggage-with-me-and-its-louis.html
Again, I am not sure this is going to work. But it's going to be fun to watch either way.
And I give Colorado a lot of credit for doing something WAY different than they have done before.
Gotta love Dion Sanders. HIs outsized personality and his take no prisoners approach to life reminds me an awful lot of a young Al McGuire.
Al was a bit more obnoxious than Coach Prime and Coach Prime is, on the surface, probably a lot more loveable than Coach Al.
However, they both had huge personalities and they'd never won at a high level university before. Plus, they both took over crap programs.
Go get 'em Coach Prime!!!!!!
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Weird little coaching carousel spin with Cincinnati getting Satterfield from Louisville to replace Fickell, but then speculation that Louisville will be able to poach Brohm from Purdue. I know Brohm is a Louisville alum so that skews things, but I'm inclined to believe this will happen otherwise Louisville could have matched or beaten anythign Cincy offered.
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Weird little coaching carousel spin with Cincinnati getting Satterfield from Louisville to replace Fickell, but then speculation that Louisville will be able to poach Brohm from Purdue. I know Brohm is a Louisville alum so that skews things, but I'm inclined to believe this will happen otherwise Louisville could have matched or beaten anythign Cincy offered.
I think your right but I believe the new BIG XII deal puts them ahead of the ACC in revenue per school, so maybe Cincy can offer more.
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Weird little coaching carousel spin with Cincinnati getting Satterfield from Louisville to replace Fickell, but then speculation that Louisville will be able to poach Brohm from Purdue. I know Brohm is a Louisville alum so that skews things, but I'm inclined to believe this will happen otherwise Louisville could have matched or beaten anythign Cincy offered.
Brohm turned them down in 2019. He might, for whatever reason, feel that this time it's different. But he has only increased his value since then.
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Brohm turned them down in 2019. He might, for whatever reason, feel that this time it's different. But he has only increased his value since then.
Well apparently he does feel like this time is different. He is apparently heading back to Louisville.
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Well apparently he does feel like this time is different. He is apparently heading back to Louisville.
Lets be honest, can you blame someone for not wanting to spend any more time in West Lafayette?
(not even considering he's a Louisville native, local football legend, and UofL alum)
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Well apparently he does feel like this time is different. He is apparently heading back to Louisville.
Is Purdue a fit for Leonard? Or does he hold out for an NFL or top-20 CFB program defensive coordinator job?
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Is Purdue a fit for Leonard? Or does he hold out for an NFL or top-20 CFB program defensive coordinator job?
I don't think his 4-3 record as a interim HC is gonna get him any B10 level HC offers.
Dave Aranda just punted his DC at Baylor. I could see that being his next stop as Aranda mentored him the year before he got into coaching at UW.
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Is Purdue a fit for Leonard? Or does he hold out for an NFL or top-20 CFB program defensive coordinator job?
I think Purdue is going to go for a bigger name than that. I mean, they have some cash and I would think would try to land a current head coach that has a similar offensive focus. Maybe someone like Jonathan Smith at Oregon State?
It's also too bad that Tom Herman took that gig at FAU.
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I don't think his 4-3 record as a interim HC is gonna get him any B10 level HC offers.
Dave Aranda just punted his DC at Baylor. I could see that being his next stop as Aranda mentored him the year before he got into coaching at UW.
Also wonder if he talked with Matt LaFleur this week.
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Leonhard is staying at Wisky after all.
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Leonhard is staying at Wisky after all.
Where did you hear that?
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Where did you hear that?
Badger fans were sharing some kind of post on social media saying that. Looked like a basketball recruit's commitment post on social media.
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Intelligent decisions by Mayer and Levis to skip ND’s and Kentucky’s exhibition games so they can stay healthy for their multimillion-dollar NFL careers.
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Leonhard is staying at Wisky after all.
(https://media.tenor.com/ld5tk9ujuJsAAAAC/doubt-press-x.gif)
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Leonhard is staying at Wisky after all.
Yahoo news posted it today. But it turns out it was a re-post of this MJS story from a few days back.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2022/12/03/jim-leonhard-will-return-to-wisconsin-under-new-coach-luke-fickell/69698223007/
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Deion putting together a pretty stacked coaching staff at CU so far. Love him snagging Sean Lewis from Kent St. He was only a decent mid major HC, but his office COOKED. Add his up tempo and dynamic schemes to the talent that I think Deion and company will bring in, and that could be an incredibly fun offense
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I'm assuming that Stanford is going to be hiring Troy Taylor because I can't imagine any school hiring Jason Garrett.
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I'm assuming that Stanford is going to be hiring Troy Taylor because I can't imagine any school hiring Jason Garrett.
They should hire Taylor because I like Garrett on SNF too.
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Jimbo potentially hiring Bobby Petrino to fix his offense is...a choice.
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Jimbo potentially hiring Bobby Petrino to fix his offense is...a choice.
From a character standpoint? Sure. But there is no question he can still coach offense. Even his Mo St teams in FCS have been putting up a ton of points there last few years.
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Just noticed UConn made a bowl. Proof positive that there are wayyyy to many bowls.
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Just noticed UConn made a bowl. Proof positive that there are wayyyy to many bowls.
It was a miracle. They won like 3 games total the last 2 seasons combined and then won 6 this year.
They are also heavy on Freshman & Sophomores and in the first few games had a rash of major injuries to several key players to boot.
Jim Mora is doing a heck of job.
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It was a miracle. They won like 3 games total the last 2 seasons combined and then won 6 this year.
They are also heavy on Freshman & Sophomores and in the first few games had a rash of major injuries to several key players to boot.
Jim Mora is doing a heck of job.
UCONN to the Big10!!
Seriously, Mora is doing a great job.
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UCONN to the Big10!!
Seriously, Mora is doing a great job.
Really an incredible job when all factors are considered. UCONN hadn’t had a winning season and only made 1 bowl game in the 11 seasons since Edsall left the first time. And only won 6 games TOTAL the last 3 seasons. To be 6-6 and bowl eligible in year 1 is pretty remarkable, especially considering they have really no other decent HC options
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Really an incredible job when all factors are considered. UCONN hadn’t had a winning season and only made 1 bowl game in the 11 seasons since Edsall left the first time. And only won 6 games TOTAL the last 3 seasons. To be 6-6 and bowl eligible in year 1 is pretty remarkable, especially considering they have really no other decent HC options
They even beat the legend Hugh Freeze of the Fighting (for your) Liberty and BC (who I think is in the ACC).
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Really an incredible job when all factors are considered. UCONN hadn’t had a winning season and only made 1 bowl game in the 11 seasons since Edsall left the first time. And only won 6 games TOTAL the last 3 seasons. To be 6-6 and bowl eligible in year 1 is pretty remarkable, especially considering they have really no other decent HC options
Few are more dismissive of the 78 meaningless Dec/Jan exhibitions more than I am, but here IMHO is one situation that I actually can almost say, "OK, it's good there's a bowl game for this team."
For a program that has been down forever, to see the players finally get an end-of-season reward for working their arses off to try to make their program into something more than a laughingstock ... well, that doesn't totally suck.
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Few are more dismissive of the 78 meaningless Dec/Jan exhibitions more than I am, but here IMHO is one situation that I actually can almost say, "OK, it's good there's a bowl game for this team."
For a program that has been down forever, to see the players finally get an end-of-season reward for working their arses off to try to make their program into something more than a laughingstock ... well, that doesn't totally suck.
I wish their team went 0-12. Any decent success might have another conference try to pick them off.
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I wish their team went 0-12. Any decent success might have another conference try to pick them off.
Totally agree from a Marquette perspective. Their "decent success" would be measured whether or not a WhateverWhatever.Com bowl game was attached, though.
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I wish their team went 0-12. Any decent success might have another conference try to pick them off.
Unless they get consistently good to great, they aren’t getting any invite better than the AAC one they already had. Boise had leveraged their success over the last couple of decades into absolutely nothing but an enhanced deal with the MWC.
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Unless they get consistently good to great, they aren’t getting any invite better than the AAC one they already had. Boise had leveraged their success over the last couple of decades into absolutely nothing but an enhanced deal with the MWC.
I worry that stringing a couple of good seasons together could get them an ACC invite in 2026.
Edit: "worry" is relative. Its about #100000 on my list of worries.
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I get the concern but they are not getting an ACC invite unless someone leaves the ACC, and I believe the ACC is bound up until 2035. The ACC has already dropped to 4th in the P5 revenue and they would not slice the pie into smaller pieces.
One caveat is if some lawyer finds an escape clause in the ACC's GoR, then UCONN would be targeted because Miami, FSU, NC and Clemson will exit faster than a New York minute.
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I get the concern but they are not getting an ACC invite unless someone leaves the ACC, and I believe the ACC is bound up until 2035. The ACC has already dropped to 4th in the P5 revenue and they would not slice the pie into smaller pieces.
One caveat is if some lawyer finds an escape clause in the ACC's GoR, then UCONN would be targeted because Miami, FSU, NC and Clemson will exit faster than a New York minute.
Someone better tell their coach
https://www.theuconnblog.com/2022/7/8/23199039/uconn-football-jim-mora-is-telling-recruits-uconn-plans-to-move-the-acc (https://www.theuconnblog.com/2022/7/8/23199039/uconn-football-jim-mora-is-telling-recruits-uconn-plans-to-move-the-acc)
"It also appears football coach Jim Mora is telling prospective recruits that the program is hoping to join the ACC soon.
“He explained that he has a goal of joining the ACC within the next few years,” UConn commit Jackson Harper told Anthony."
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Someone better tell their coach
https://www.theuconnblog.com/2022/7/8/23199039/uconn-football-jim-mora-is-telling-recruits-uconn-plans-to-move-the-acc (https://www.theuconnblog.com/2022/7/8/23199039/uconn-football-jim-mora-is-telling-recruits-uconn-plans-to-move-the-acc)
"It also appears football coach Jim Mora is telling prospective recruits that the program is hoping to join the ACC soon.
“He explained that he has a goal of joining the ACC within the next few years,” UConn commit Jackson Harper told Anthony."
That is quite a statement by Mora. I have to believe the school is good with him saying that.
That said, the gist of the article dovetails with my caveat above that the ACC is on the verge of coming apart if the schools can void the GoR, which opens the door for UCONN.
I'd hate to see them leave, but I would not blame them if they do. The remnants of the ACC are way better than independent status for UCONN. That league would be maybe 4th in the pecking order if the BIG XII picks off PAC12 teams and OR and UW go to the Big 10. (funny aside, I heard multiple times on ESPN radio this week about Dion Sanders going to Colorado, a BIG XII school??? Does ESPN know something we don't?)
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"Hoping to join the ACC soon" seems like a bit of a non-statement simply made to lure recruits.
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I worry that stringing a couple of good seasons together could get them an ACC invite in 2026.
Edit: "worry" is relative. Its about #100000 on my list of worries.
Oh, please list the first 99,999!
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While the Army-Navy game is a feel good event, my god was it a positively awful FB game. Usually one of the two is pretty good, but 2 mediocre triple option teams are terrible.
Late in the 4th, it was 10-7. The Army TD came on a blocked punt. The Navy TD came on a 75 yard run. The offense otherwise was horrific. Army drives to get a tying FG with an offense that was basically heave a wobbly pass and pray for PI. They got it twice. Both times the QB celebrated like he threw a dime deep ball.
Tied 10-10, Navy gets the ball with 2 min left and 2 TO and bleeds the clock playing for OT, beyond weak. Ball don’t lie for what happened in OT.
Of course, both teams score long TDs IMMEDIATELY in OT. Then Navy fumbles on the goal line, Army grinds 2 yards for a FG and we are all put out of our misery
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Oh, please list the first 99,999!
Before scoop, I only had a handful, but thanks to the daily dose of doom thread. my list has expanded
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Oh man. Sounds like Mississippi State coach Mike Leach is in bad shape. In the hospital in a "critical medical situation."
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Deion already getting things done ...
From The Athletic:
If you were wondering how long it would take Deion Sanders to make a recruiting statement at Colorado, the answer was six days. Dylan Edwards, a four-star running back from Kansas, flipped his commitment from Notre Dame to the Buffaloes on Saturday.
Edwards told The Athletic’s Ari Wasserman that Sanders was his youth coach dating back to the age of 5 — so perhaps this one’s a unique circumstance. But he also told Wasserman: “I know a lot of guys that are about to flip their commitments. They are all big Power 5 guys with a lot of offers, guys that are four- and five-stars. Nobody is safe in this situation recruiting-wise.”
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Oh man. Sounds like Mississippi State coach Mike Leach is in bad shape. In the hospital in a "critical medical situation."
There was a tweet about needing a miracle. Really sad. Praying he pulls through.
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While the Army-Navy game is a feel good event, my god was it a positively awful FB game. Usually one of the two is pretty good, but 2 mediocre triple option teams are terrible.
Late in the 4th, it was 10-7. The Army TD came on a blocked punt. The Navy TD came on a 75 yard run. The offense otherwise was horrific. Army drives to get a tying FG with an offense that was basically heave a wobbly pass and pray for PI. They got it twice. Both times the QB celebrated like he threw a dime deep ball.
Tied 10-10, Navy gets the ball with 2 min left and 2 TO and bleeds the clock playing for OT, beyond weak. Ball don’t lie for what happened in OT.
Of course, both teams score long TDs IMMEDIATELY in OT. Then Navy fumbles on the goal line, Army grinds 2 yards for a FG and we are all put out of our misery
You mean you don't like Cro Magnon football?
I hadn't seen football that bad since Woody Hayes was forcibly retired at The Ohio State University. Yikes, one would think someone would be able to pass a football.
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Mississippi State University Head Football Coach Michael Charles "Mike" Leach passed away last night (Monday, Dec. 12) at the University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson, Mississippi, following complications from a heart condition. He was 61.
In a statement, the Leach family said: "Mike was a giving and attentive husband, father and grandfather. He was able to participate in organ donation at UMMC as a final act of charity. We are supported and uplifted by the outpouring of love and prayers from family, friends, Mississippi State University, the hospital staff, and football fans around the world. Thank you for sharing in the joy of our beloved husband and father's life."
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Too sad. Loved that guy. While being a great football coach he clearly didn't think football was everything in life.
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Wow.
RIP.
Enjoy the time you have.
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Unique dude who made college football more interesting both on and off the field. And showed how you don't have to be an all-in, 110% nut-job to be successful.
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https://www.foxnews.com/sports/mike-leach-longtime-college-football-coach-dead
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Purdue hiring Illinois DC Ryan Walters as its next head coach.
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Purdue hiring Illinois DC Ryan Walters as its next head coach.
That seems underwhelming...especially when their AD just said this a few days ago: "The opportunity that we present to candidates today is distinctly different than it was in 2016. At that point, it was a hope, a dream, a wish that good things can happen in and around Purdue football. Well, now we have evidence that good things can happen around Purdue football."
Hiring the 36 year old defensive coordinator, who was working for a defensive head coach, doesn't seem at first to fit that statement. But we will see.
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Purdue hiring Illinois DC Ryan Walters as its next head coach.
That is interesting. Thought Purdue could do better than that. Did Purdue beat out anyone else to get that hire?
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That is interesting. Thought Purdue could do better than that. Did Purdue beat out anyone else to get that hire?
He was considered Colorado's backup plan if Deion said no, and is considered one of the top assistants out there.
He might flop, but is he any worse than some of the other guys reportedly tied to the job (Leonhard, Tyson Helton, etc.)?
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He was considered Colorado's backup plan if Deion said no, and is considered one of the top assistants out there.
He might flop, but is he any worse than some of the other guys reportedly tied to the job (Leonhard, Tyson Helton, etc.)?
If those were the other names attached to the gig, it feels like a less-than-ambitious search.
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He was considered Colorado's backup plan if Deion said no, and is considered one of the top assistants out there.
He might flop, but is he any worse than some of the other guys reportedly tied to the job (Leonhard, Tyson Helton, etc.)?
Good to know. You never know about these things, if I remember correctly Sonny Dykes wasn't considered a great hire by the "experts" last year.
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Wow.
RIP.
Enjoy the time you have.
You got that right.
61 effen years old. Damn.
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You got that right.
61 effen years old. Damn.
Even more crazy cause he was literally in the news last week being classic Mike Leach about a player in the portal.
Normally you see coaches with health problems step back before their decline, not so sudden like this basically in season. Makes me think of Randy Walker, former Miami U and Northwestern coach, sudden heart attack at 52 in the offseason.
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Too sad. Loved that guy. While being a great football coach he clearly didn't think football was everything in life.
The guy was certifiably nuts - in a good way.
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The guy was certifiably nuts - in a good way.
I just remembered a Leach story. Friend I used to play soccer with in Chicago was a Wazzu grad. She moved back to Seattle 5-6 years ago. Ended up reconnecting with and getting married to a guy she knew in college.
Well they were at brunch one weekend in the summer somewhere in Seattle, nowhere notable, and her husband had a Wazzu hat on. Some random appetizer (i think nachos) appeared at the table they didn't order. Server said that gentleman over there sent it, and they look over to see Mike Leach smiling and waving. They are like "is that Mike Leach? I think it is. Should we say something?"
Few min later, Leach ambles over and goes "Hi, I'm Mike, I coach football at Washington State, I saw your hat, nice hat, nice color choice" Min or two of chit chat about them being alums. Then he goes "hope you like nachos, I do. Otherwise, they're free, whatever, have a good one" And pats her fiance on the shoulder and walks out.
Dude was 1 of 1. Also loved that the majority of his coaching career was in the most random of places. Palm Springs, rural Iowa, middle of nowhere Georgia, Lubbock, Pullman, F'ING FINLAND. Even Starkville is remote. Except for his time at OU, he was never within 2 hours of a major city, which I think only helped his quirky personality and media persona.
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Mississippi State University Head Football Coach Michael Charles "Mike" Leach passed away last night (Monday, Dec. 12) at the University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson, Mississippi, following complications from a heart condition. He was 61.
In a statement, the Leach family said: "Mike was a giving and attentive husband, father and grandfather. He was able to participate in organ donation at UMMC as a final act of charity. We are supported and uplifted by the outpouring of love and prayers from family, friends, Mississippi State University, the hospital staff, and football fans around the world. Thank you for sharing in the joy of our beloved husband and father's life."
Sad. RIP
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CmH8-LIOv1D/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Purdue hiring Illinois DC Ryan Walters as its next head coach.
He was very good at Illinois and Missouri.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CmH8-LIOv1D/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
For all his quips at press conferences and media days, the fact that he would answer LITERALLY any question on field, sincerely, while most coaches tried to blow by these interviews with stock answers, is one of the most hilarious things about his legacy.
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Watching the Celebration bowl a bit, I know people are all amped yelling nepotism about Deion naming his kid the new starter at Colorado, but he’s damn good. And the thing is, he was being recruited at a higher level than CU recruits even in HS. He was top 25 QB/top 250 overall recruit with a bunch of SEC offers. And if he entered the portal organically this year, he’d have top 25 caliber programs, at the very least above average P5 teams, clamoring for him. I’m excited to see him against Pac12/high level competition
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Florida International signed tight end recruit Rowdy Beers.
Central Arkansas signed safety recruit Dude Person.
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Dabo is so weird.
https://twitter.com/zachTNT/status/1605650882963640324
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Florida International signed tight end recruit Rowdy Beers.
Central Arkansas signed safety recruit Dude Person.
Neither is equal to General Booty
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Neither is equal to General Booty
Is his brother named Luscious Booty?
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmPvvK4gymh/?igshid=YWJhMjlhZTc=
Had never heard this. So good.
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This headline is incredible. The article is pretty bad though.
"The Rose Bowl is dead, killed by our winner-take-all culture. Humanity may be up next."
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Rose-Bowl-game-dead-17670394.php
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also got sucked in by the headline, stupid article and waste of time to read...
This headline is incredible. The article is pretty bad though.
"The Rose Bowl is dead, killed by our winner-take-all culture. Humanity may be up next."
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Rose-Bowl-game-dead-17670394.php
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Graphic in the UW/OSU game showing active coaches with the most wins at one school cause Gundy has 156 at OSU.
Kirk Ferentz was second with 185. Amusingly, Saran was ahead of him with 188 at Bama, even though he was still at MSU when Ferentz started at Iowa. Didn’t arrive in Tuscaloosa till 8 seasons later, then had a rough 2 win first year.
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Graphic in the UW/OSU game showing active coaches with the most wins at one school cause Gundy has 156 at OSU.
Kirk Ferentz was second with 185. Amusingly, Saran was ahead of him with 188 at Bama, even though he was still at MSU when Ferentz started at Iowa. Didn’t arrive in Tuscaloosa till 8 seasons later, then had a rough 2 win first year.
Saran with one of his championship rings (I think that is Ohio State in the background)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3a/Sauron.jpg/290px-Sauron.jpg)
<sometimes spelled Sauron>
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Saran has a greatest of his generation wrapped up. Clearly.
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Of all the options that could have taken place when Wisconsin fired Paul Chryst, hiring Luke Fickell as head coach, Phil Longo as offensive coordinator, and landing Tanner Moredecai in the transfer market would have been been near the bottom of my list. I am not sure how good they are going to be, but it will be different. And certainly they have ramped up expectations.
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Of all the options that could have taken place when Wisconsin fired Paul Chryst, hiring Luke Fickell as head coach, Phil Longo as offensive coordinator, and landing Tanner Moredecai in the transfer market would have been been near the bottom of my list. I am not sure how good they are going to be, but it will be different. And certainly they have ramped up expectations.
Air raid offense in the Big Ten will be…interesting. Going to have to change the entire conditioning approach on both sides of the ball. I always felt that approach was best at a place looking for an identity or at a place that needed an approach to compete on a semi-regular basis, like Kentucky or Texas Tech.
The hope is Oklahoma offense with Wisconsin defenses but the problem has always been defenses with talent getting gassed when the offense plays that system.
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Of all the options that could have taken place when Wisconsin fired Paul Chryst, hiring Luke Fickell as head coach, Phil Longo as offensive coordinator, and landing Tanner Moredecai in the transfer market would have been been near the bottom of my list. I am not sure how good they are going to be, but it will be different. And certainly they have ramped up expectations.
While Fickell was a surprise, Longo is even more shocking to me. Besides the fact that he is leaving perhaps the best QB in country at UNC, its both the Air Raid going to the B10 like Rico said and the fact that Fickell didn't really run that at Cincy, so its different for him.
Mordecai is what he is. I don't think he's gonna be a revelation, but he's a good stop gap and he can sling it.
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Who do we like today?
I'll go chalk; UM over TCU and UGA over OSU. Both 10+ point wins.
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Big 10 doing Big 10 things
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Was there a different angle on the overturned Michigan touchdown than the one from behind the receiver? His knee was definitely down ahead of the goal line, but he didn’t catch it clean. To me it looked by the time he got control it looked like the ball was well into the end zone. The only angle I saw certainly didn’t look like enough to overturn the call on the field.
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Harbaugh is getting schooled.
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First to 55?
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Exposed.
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Bold call to run a fumblerooski on 4th and 10 out of the shotgun
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What a dumbass on TCU.
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UM gets hosed 2x. And I don't like Michigan.
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Congrats to TCU on winning the 2nd place bowl.
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Eh. Michigan hosed themselves all game.
Just a casual 4 hour 5 minute non OT game.
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Eh. Michigan hosed themselves all game.
Just a casual 4 hour 5 minute non OT game.
Yup. Two pick-6’s and getting zero inside the 5 twice. How they only lost by 6 is sort of amazing. 2022 was supposed to be a bridge season. They’ll be the favorites in the Big 14 in 2023
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Ryan Day's Beard?
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Yup. Two pick-6’s and getting zero inside the 5 twice. How they only lost by 6 is sort of amazing. 2022 was supposed to be a bridge season. They’ll be the favorites in the Big 14 in 2023
Agreed. I think TCU will be a contender too. They get thier 1st string QB back.
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Ryan Day's Beard?
By cracky.
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Marquette wins on the road and Big 10 goes 0-2 in football playoffs. That's a very good day.
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I really want TCU to win just so we can get one more of these.
https://twitter.com/tcufootball/status/1609365539121680384?s=46&t=dl0k9rBWFD9pNRIuyMxd9A
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Who do we like today?
I'll go chalk; UM over TCU and UGA over OSU. Both 10+ point wins.
I'm not good at this.
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I feel bad for Noah Ruggles. Solid kicker his entire career, it sucks that he’ll be remembered for that miss.
Classless “WTF was that!!!!!” twit by LeBron, who knows what it’s like to fail (and succeed) at the end of a hard-fought contest.
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I feel bad for Noah Ruggles. Solid kicker his entire career, it sucks that he’ll be remembered for that miss.
Didn't realize, cause I am in Central Time, how close that miss was to midnight.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1609425452506165250?s=20&t=bLRK9gWCuizl5tufwAZ0bg
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I feel bad for Noah Ruggles. Solid kicker his entire career, it sucks that he’ll be remembered for that miss.
Classless “WTF was that!!!!!” twit by LeBron, who knows what it’s like to fail (and succeed) at the end of a hard-fought contest.
I feel bad for Ruffles too that Day made a pretty weak effort to get anywhere closer after that Stroud run. As for Lebron, it’s ok, I’m sure he’s magically a pretty big TCU or UGA fan.
In non-CFP action, Iowa being their embarrassing self in new and fun ways. Go into halftime up 21-0 on a Kentucky team playing without their stud QB and a few others. Spend the majority of the second half being pathetic Iowa offense and playing Ferentz ball, aka punting inside the 50. Then, as UK basically gives up, plays out the string in the 4th and puts in their 3rd string QB, Iowa gets the ball back without about a min left at midfield. They decide now is appropriate to give their QB some action and play hurry up and start taking end zone shots and quick passes. Just a total douche move.
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Iowa was something like 0-13 on third and fourth down conversions...and won the game 21-0. (They had one offensive touchdown and two, pick sixes.)
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Didn't realize, cause I am in Central Time, how close that miss was to midnight.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1609425452506165250?s=20&t=bLRK9gWCuizl5tufwAZ0bg
My tv stream must have been delayed about 3-5 seconds from that. I saw my phone hit 12:00 and then kissed my wife just before they snapped the ball.
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I feel bad for Ruffles too that Day made a pretty weak effort to get anywhere closer after that Stroud run. As for Lebron, it’s ok, I’m sure he’s magically a pretty big TCU or UGA fan.
In non-CFP action, Iowa being their embarrassing self in new and fun ways. Go into halftime up 21-0 on a Kentucky team playing without their stud QB and a few others. Spend the majority of the second half being pathetic Iowa offense and playing Ferentz ball, aka punting inside the 50. Then, as UK basically gives up, plays out the string in the 4th and puts in their 3rd string QB, Iowa gets the ball back without about a min left at midfield. They decide now is appropriate to give their QB some action and play hurry up and start taking end zone shots and quick passes. Just a total douche move.
Ohio State missed the FG at the end of the game because the holder didn’t have the laces out. Ruggles, the kicker, was consoling the holder after the game.
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I feel bad for Ruffles too that Day made a pretty weak effort to get anywhere closer after that Stroud run.
Ruggles had never made a 50-yarder in his career. Agree that Day should have gotten him closer.
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Ohio State missed the FG at the end of the game because the holder didn’t have the laces out. Ruggles, the kicker, was consoling the holder after the game.
Hopefully someone keeps an eye on Brutus and Stroud. This caused major issues for the Dolphins awhile ago.
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Ruggles had never made a 50-yarder in his career. Agree that Day should have gotten him closer.
The attempt was from 50. He had only attempted one other 50 plus yard field in his two seasons with Ohio State. (53 yards vs Penn State)
He was however 11 for 11 between 40-49 yards in his two seasons at Ohio State. He had already made a 48 yarder in the same game. And, he was kicking indoors on turf.
Sure, you’d always like to be a little closer, but the kick was missed so badly because the laces were out.
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The attempt was from 50. He had only attempted one other 50 plus yard field in his two seasons with Ohio State. (53 yards vs Penn State)
He was however 11 for 11 between 40-49 yards in his two seasons at Ohio State. He had already made a 48 yarder in the same game. And, he was kicking indoors on turf.
Sure, you’d always like to be a little closer, but the kick was missed so badly because the laces were out.
If you say so.
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If you say so.
The facts say so.
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The facts say so.
Uh no. Just because the laces were wrong doesn’t mean that’s the only reason the kick was so poor. Really the answer is unknown.
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Uh no. Just because the laces were wrong doesn’t mean that’s the only reason the kick was so poor. Really the answer is unknown.
Lol.
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Lol.
I mean kickers have made FGs before when the laces have been wrong…
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I mean kickers have made FGs before when the laces have been wrong…
I bet Yadier Molina makes that kick
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I bet Yadier Molina makes that kick
I know another new New Year triggers all of your Brewers angst. It’ll be okay Pobrecito.
Enjoy the four college football games today.
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I know another new New Year triggers all of your Brewers angst. It’ll be okay Pobrecito.
Enjoy the four college football games today.
That sounds racist.
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The attempt was from 50. He had only attempted one other 50 plus yard field in his two seasons with Ohio State. (53 yards vs Penn State)
He was however 11 for 11 between 40-49 yards in his two seasons at Ohio State. He had already made a 48 yarder in the same game. And, he was kicking indoors on turf.
Sure, you’d always like to be a little closer, but the kick was missed so badly because the laces were out.
or in
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I know another new New Year triggers all of your Brewers angst. It’ll be okay Pobrecito.
Enjoy the four college football games today.
Since St. Louis can’t support a football team, I’m surprised you care to comment on it
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Since St. Louis can’t support a football team, I’m surprised you care to comment on it
This is the college football thread.
Neither St. Louis nor Milwaukee have a D-1 college football team, or a pro football team. (Well St. Louis does have a new D-1 football team, and an XFL team)
There’s also a big World out there outside of Milwaukee or St. Louis, including other schools and cities where people and teams attend and watch games.
I’m sure the same few tribe before topic posters will join you.
First you mentioned baseball, then you mentioned St. Louis. Seems a little desperate trolling even by your standards. But gluttons for punishment will be gluttons for punishment.
Enjoy college football in the college football thread.
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This is the college football thread.
Neither St. Louis nor Milwaukee have a D-1 college football team, or a pro football team. (Well St. Louis does have a new D-1 football team, and an XFL team)
There’s also a big World out there outside of Milwaukee or St. Louis, including other schools and cities where people and teams attend and watch games.
I’m sure the same few tribe before topic posters will join you.
First you mentioned baseball, then you mentioned St. Louis. Seems a little desperate trolling even by your standards. But gluttons for punishment will be gluttons for punishment.
Enjoy college football in the college football thread.
I’m impressed at your ability to not be attached to any tribe.
Also, Ruggles missed the kick because he shanked it
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I’m impressed at your ability to not be attached to any tribe.
Also, Ruggles missed the kick because he shanked it
Low hook, not a shank.
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What are we even talking about? The Ohio State kicker missed the field goal because the laces were out? I've never been a kicker in football, but I'm pretty certain that's what you want. The laces should be facing the goalposts that the ball is being kicked to, not facing the kicker. That's how the holder was holding the ball (clear as day in the first replay they show here).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09rBR-gNcnQ
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Low hook, not a shank.
Hook, shank, queef
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb_eXyhlHaA
How you do NOT want to have the ball.
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USC is ready for the Big Ten
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Tulane.
That’s great fun. Good for them.
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USC got passed on a Tulane (two lane)
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What are we even talking about? The Ohio State kicker missed the field goal because the laces were out? I've never been a kicker in football, but I'm pretty certain that's what you want. The laces should be facing the goalposts that the ball is being kicked to, not facing the kicker. That's how the holder was holding the ball (clear as day in the first replay they show here).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09rBR-gNcnQ
Shanks for that video. Shocking that shoothoops was mistaken.
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Shanks for that video. Shocking that shoothoops was mistaken.
Yes. Shocking.
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The Rose Bowl feels very “quaint” to me these days. Used to be a tradition growing up but feels pretty dated.
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USC is ready for the Big Ten
On that note, how bout them Boilermakers!
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In a completely Bobby Petrino sort of scenario, Jimbo Fisher poaches Petrino from UNLV after less than 2 weeks to be the new OC at A&M.
Reactions are mixed, but people acting like Petrio is a washed up has been are telling on themselves. I totally would not been keen to give him a P5 HC gig, but his offenses have still cooked even in his second stop at Louisville and more recently at Missouri St. With all the talent at A&M, he could make them interesting in a hurry.
However, whats intriguing is Jimbo not only ceding playcalling/offense credit, but the optics of the team suddenly turning around after he gives up offensive system control.
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In a completely Bobby Petrino sort of scenario, Jimbo Fisher poaches Petrino from UNLV after less than 2 weeks to be the new OC at A&M.
Reactions are mixed, but people acting like Petrio is a washed up has been are telling on themselves. I totally would not been keen to give him a P5 HC gig, but his offenses have still cooked even in his second stop at Louisville and more recently at Missouri St. With all the talent at A&M, he could make them interesting in a hurry.
However, whats intriguing is Jimbo not only ceding playcalling/offense credit, but the optics of the team suddenly turning around after he gives up offensive system control.
Jimbo, Petrino and DJ Durkin on the same staff could either be great....or it could be a disaster. Either way, I am here for it.
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Jimbo, Petrino and DJ Durkin on the same staff could either be great....or it could be a disaster. Either way, I am here for it.
Yep it all comes down to Jimbo as a CEO. Both Petrino and Durkin had the "toxic" labels on them as HCs, but were very good coordinators. If he can circumvent that, they could be successful. I don't think Durkin is the issue, I don't recall anything negative from his stint at Ole Miss. But Petrino is the type to absolutely scheme and backstab to try and get promoted.
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Marvin Harrison Jr. unfortunately isn't eligible to be drafted until 2024. He looks like the next great NFL receiver and probably doesn't need to play a single snap next season to be a top-5 pick.
Given that he got hurt on a brutal hit vs. Georgia and given all the reaction regarding the Hamlin situation, I wonder if Harrison would consider sitting out next season to protect his multimillion-dollar body. Were I his adviser, it would be difficult for me to advise him to play.
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Marvin Harrison Jr. unfortunately isn't eligible to be drafted until 2024. He looks like the next great NFL receiver and probably doesn't need to play a single snap next season to be a top-5 pick.
Given that he got hurt on a brutal hit vs. Georgia and given all the reaction regarding the Hamlin situation, I wonder if Harrison would consider sitting out next season to protect his multimillion-dollar body. Were I his adviser, it would be difficult for me to advise him to play.
I'm sure he's getting plenty of money playing for O$U.
I think the best way to continue to prepare for the next level is to continue playing in college.
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Yeah, we have a thread like this every year. Rarely do people skip a year, in fact outside of the Covid year I can't think of any off the top of my head. And I don't think a ton of these top prospects get hurt.
EDIT: and wades is right. NIL changes this significantly.
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Plus a lot of these top NFL prospects who aren't eligible for the draft yet will get an insurance policy in case of injury.
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I'm sure he's getting plenty of money playing for O$U.
I think the best way to continue to prepare for the next level is to continue playing in college.
He’ll get more when he transfers to USC
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Marvin Harrison Jr. unfortunately isn't eligible to be drafted until 2024. He looks like the next great NFL receiver and probably doesn't need to play a single snap next season to be a top-5 pick.
Given that he got hurt on a brutal hit vs. Georgia and given all the reaction regarding the Hamlin situation, I wonder if Harrison would consider sitting out next season to protect his multimillion-dollar body. Were I his adviser, it would be difficult for me to advise him to play.
Eva herd of Lloyds of London? He's playin'', hey?
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I'm sure he's getting plenty of money playing for O$U.
I think the best way to continue to prepare for the next level is to continue playing in college.
Plus a lot of these top NFL prospects who aren't eligible for the draft yet will get an insurance policy in case of injury.
Good points.
So that's some of the $$$ part of it, though his first NFL contract would guarantee him more than any of that, and his second one (if he's as good as it looks like he'll be) could get him 9 figures. No insurance policy would cover anything close to that.
But there's also the "how much risk with my body am I willing to take?" part of it. I'm guessing that he knows the score, and this probably isn't big on his mind ... unless the events of the last week (his own situation, and that of Hamlin) weigh on him. None of us can know that.
Sitting out the Covid year didn't hurt top prospects, Trey Lance being Exhibit 1. And sitting out bowl games hasn't hurt prospects for years.
But yeah, I agree with Sultan that this is more just fan-board discussion type stuff. It's quite possible that Harrison isn't even remotely thinking about sitting out the 2023 season.
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Also, given that his dad made $70M in his career, I'd also hope his family is not relying on his future earnings.
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Sitting out the Covid year didn't hurt top prospects, Trey Lance being Exhibit 1. And sitting out bowl games hasn't hurt prospects for years.
The COVID year was an anamoly, and part of the reason players sat out that year was that it wasn't going to be a normal season with normal top tier competition anyways.
Trevor Lawrence was the consensus #1 pick in 2021 after his freshman season at Clemson and he still played out not 1, but 2 more years.
As Sultan says, nobody sits out a year like that. And while the Hamlin thing was terrifying and sobering, I don't think that affects current players anymore than Eric LeGrand or Devon Walker or Ryan Shazier being paralyzed affected players at the time, outside of maybe those that already had spinal injuries.
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The COVID year was an anamoly, and part of the reason players sat out that year was that it wasn't going to be a normal season with normal top tier competition anyways.
Trevor Lawrence was the consensus #1 pick in 2021 after his freshman season at Clemson and he still played out not 1, but 2 more years.
As Sultan says, nobody sits out a year like that. And while the Hamlin thing was terrifying and sobering, I don't think that affects current players anymore than Eric LeGrand or Devon Walker or Ryan Shazier being paralyzed affected players at the time, outside of maybe those that already had spinal injuries.
I think you're probably right about all of this, and I never said otherwise.
There was similar discussion about Lawrence sitting out a year, or even two. That's all it was - discussion. And that's all this is, though this time there is the context of the brutal hit Harrison just took, as well as the Hamlin situation. Again, I'm not saying either of those will influence Harrison's decision at all. It would be far more surprising if he doesn't play than if he does.
The football world seems does seem to be affected more by the Hamlin situation than earlier, similarly horrific events, but I fully allow maybe that's just recency bias talking.
Sometimes, things do strike a nerve and become bigger than previous situations. The aftermath of the murder of George Floyd is an example - there were countless other horrifying racist events throughout history, but that one (for a variety of reasons) resonated more. Maybe the Hamlin situation will resonate more in this realm ... or maybe it will eventually fade into a horrible memory, as the other cases you brought up have.
Interesting discussion, Wags. Thanks to you and the others.
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Also, given that his dad made $70M in his career, I'd also hope his family is not relying on his future earnings.
You'd think so and hope so but these NFL guys (and NBA, MLB) spend money like nobody. A friend of mine for years has hung out with NFL players for years and tells me most nights out on the town they spend $10k or more each night. He's seen rookies spend $20-$30k in a night paying for the older guys. It's a different world.
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Also, given that his dad made $70M in his career, I'd also hope his family is not relying on his future earnings.
When dad shoots people, that money can disappear quick
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https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1611199099499315200?t=u7xvXr2xk3e6kUS31FF5sw&s=19
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https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1611199099499315200?t=u7xvXr2xk3e6kUS31FF5sw&s=19
Soooooo Carolina?
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I wonder if Lloyd Carr ratted Harbaugh out, too.
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I wonder if Lloyd Carr ratted Harbaugh out, too.
They self-reported, though that’s a hilarious scenario
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They self-reported, though that’s a hilarious scenario
Scholarship reductions and 3 year bowl ban for ........ Eastern Michigan.
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Scholarship reductions and 3 year bowl ban for ........ Eastern Michigan.
If he sticks around, 1-2 game suspension and some minor recruiting cuts
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If he sticks around, 1-2 game suspension and some minor recruiting cuts
Yea the headlines make it seem daunting and severe but its really minor violations. The only issue was Harbaugh not "cooperating" with the NCAA, which I don't totally blame him or any coach for a lot of this petty stuff.
And thats not condoning rule breaking, just side eying the NCAA's selective enforcement and toothless approach to truly egregious cheating.
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Am I crazy to think that Stetson Bennett can be an NFL quarterback?
The guy is smart, he makes plays with both his arm and his feet, and he wins.
Truly one of the great success stories in recent college football history. It would be kinda cool if he also can succeed big-time at the next level.
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Kinda thought this might happen. Georgia is just on a different level.
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Am I crazy to think that Stetson Bennett can be an NFL quarterback?
The guy is smart, he makes plays with both his arm and his feet, and he wins.
Truly one of the great success stories in recent college football history. It would be kinda cool if he also can succeed big-time at the next level.
No, but he’ll happily sell you a brand new Kia at Stetson Bennett Kia of Athens
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No, but he’ll happily sell you a brand new Kia at Stetson Bennett Kia of Athens
OK, but I ain't paying more than MSRP!!
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Am I crazy to think that Stetson Bennett can be an NFL quarterback?
The guy is smart, he makes plays with both his arm and his feet, and he wins.
Truly one of the great success stories in recent college football history. It would be kinda cool if he also can succeed big-time at the next level.
https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1612627223634382849?s=46&t=FYIZml9kw91o2Cve9HZVuw
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Am I crazy to think that Stetson Bennett can be an NFL quarterback?
The guy is smart, he makes plays with both his arm and his feet, and he wins.
Truly one of the great success stories in recent college football history. It would be kinda cool if he also can succeed big-time at the next level.
He could be this generation's Doug Flutie.
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For comparison’s sake (hate saying this), it feels like MU/Kansas in ‘03.
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Did Harbaugh choke?
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For comparison’s sake (hate saying this), it feels like MU/Kansas in ‘03.
5* matter
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Did Harbaugh choke?
His QB threw two pick-sixes and fumbled a handoff at the goal line and they somehow lost only by 6, so no.
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His QB threw two pick-sixes and fumbled a handoff at the goal line and they somehow lost only by 6, so no.
On the other hand, why are you handing off on 1st and goal from the six inch line with an athletic QB behind center? TCU wasn't stopping four straight QB sneaks.
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On the other hand, why are you handing off on 1st and goal from the six inch line with an athletic QB behind center? TCU wasn't stopping four straight QB sneaks.
That’s a fair criticism. Not using QB run until the 3rd quarter was bad. Short yardage was where they really missed Corum, too.
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For comparison’s sake (hate saying this), it feels like MU/Kansas in ‘03.
I found this thread with the sole purpose of making this comparison. I legitimately feel bad for TCU fans
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Every dude on Georgia’s defensive line looks like a top 5 pick.
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Every dude on Georgia’s defensive line looks like a top 5 pick.
Allegedly, the best of the pass rushers is only a true frosh
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Allegedly, the best of the pass rushers is only a true frosh
Yeah, when the broadcast said that guy was a true freshman, some 4 letter words came out of my mouth.
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Yeah, when the broadcast said that guy was a true freshman, some 4 letter words came out of my mouth.
They’ll need a new qb. Luckily, they have two top-10 guys to choose from. Schedule is cake. They’ll be playing for a third title next January.
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Georgia is one helluva strong football program .
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https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1612627223634382849?s=46&t=FYIZml9kw91o2Cve9HZVuw
So what you’re saying is he’s experienced!
At this age, Brady still had 20 NFL seasons ahead of him.
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They’ll need a new qb. Luckily, they have two top-10 guys to choose from. Schedule is cake. They’ll be playing for a third title next January.
I just looked up their 2023 schedule. I had to do a double take. You can sharpie them into the SEC title game now.
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At what point do they go to the running clock?
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I wasnt expecting this one to be competitive
But boy, 59-7 is not how i draw it up for entertainment value
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Well, at least it wasn’t 66-6.
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https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1612627223634382849?s=46&t=FYIZml9kw91o2Cve9HZVuw
https://twitter.com/Jimmy_Durkin/status/1612641271683907585?s=20&t=dxW6nLtLNuvoUCImjEfQlQ
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At least in future years we’ll have more mediocre teams in the Playoffs.
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Yeah, when the broadcast said that guy was a true freshman, some 4 letter words came out of my mouth.
Gosh? Heck? Golf? Good? Stud?
When will Pack mess this?
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This year's Georgia squad may be the best college football team ever.
About the only team they weren't tested by was Alabama. And what you see what they did to everyone from Oregon to Ohio State, with LSU and Tennessee thrown in for grins, this team was really something and probably would have sent Nick Saban back to Alabama about as fast as his elephant would carry him.
As to a Georgia dynasty, that's the beauty of college sports. They have to reload every year. Saban already is planning for ways to get Georgia, as is Tennessee, LSU and the rest of the SEC. Not to mention Ohio State.
Michigan is another story!
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Probably kould beet da Pack, aina?
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Wow ... in retrospect the Big 10 really shyte the bed.
Ohio State had Georgia beat but couldn't finish 'em off. And Michigan somehow found a way to lose to a JV team.
So we were left with Georgia 987, TCU 1.
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Wow ... in retrospect the Big 10 really shyte the bed.
Ohio State had Georgia beat but couldn't finish 'em off. And Michigan somehow found a way to lose to a JV team.
So we were left with Georgia 987, TCU 1.
I agree TCU looked like a JV team last night. The reality is the computers, pollsters and CFP voters all concurred they were a top 3 team.
The SEC is just really good. Sony Dykes must agree as TCU has four Alabama transfers coming in.
What Dykes and TCU did was amazing. Can you envision Fickle taking Wisconsin to the championship game next year? Madison would build him a statue after 1 year.
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Georgia won all of its games and they are a deserving champion.
It was one game. TCU got smoked, but they earned their way there.
Georgia was fortunate to win against Ohio State and Mizzou. (They were losing for 56 of 60 minutes vs Mizzou.) They were fortunate to win both of those games. They didn’t look all that great vs Kentucky either.
There isn’t a team in college football that played great every game.
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I agree TCU looked like a JV team last night. The reality is the computers, pollsters and CFP voters all concurred they were a top 3 team.
The SEC is just really good. Sony Dykes must agree as TCU has four Alabama transfers coming in.
What Dykes and TCU did was amazing. Can you envision Fickle taking Wisconsin to the championship game next year? Madison would build him a statue after 1 year.
I can't envision it because I pay so little attention to the Madison program ... I mean, is it possible to pay less than zero attention to something? If so, that's where I am there.
But I do get your point. Dykes is doing a great job.
One of my real good friends is a Georgia alum. He's the super-nervous fan type - kinda like our Muggsy here. And he actually was almost embarrassed by the second half of last night's game, texting me: "Man, it shouldn't be THIS easy!"
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Georgia was fortunate to win against Ohio State and Mizzou. (They were losing for 56 of 60 minutes vs Mizzou.) They were fortunate to win both of those games. They didn’t look all that great vs Kentucky either.
I get it ... but by the same reasoning, TCU was "fortunate" in about a half-dozen of their wins. Even their loss to K-State in the B12 title game, they were fortunate that it didn't knock them out of the playoffs. There probably was no more fortunate team in college football this season than TCU; with a little less good fortune, they could have ended up in the Lendingtree Bowl or Gasparilla Bowl.
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I agree TCU looked like a JV team last night. The reality is the computers, pollsters and CFP voters all concurred they were a top 3 team.
The SEC is just really good. Sony Dykes must agree as TCU has four Alabama transfers coming in.
What Dykes and TCU did was amazing. Can you envision Fickle taking Wisconsin to the championship game next year? Madison would build him a statue after 1 year.
Anyone backtracking on TCU being undeserving is just bitter revisionist history. Picked 7th in the B12, they just found ways to beat anyone in their path. Destroyed OU before people realized OU wasn't that great. Won at Kansas when they were undefeated and scorching hot. Outlasted an undefeated OSU team before all their injuries. Beat a very good KSU team the first time around. They were more deserving than Bama hands down, even if Bama was the better team. You just don't lost 2 of your last 5 FBS games and make the playoff, even if you are Bama.
Sonny Dykes is a hell of a coach. And they have a top 20 class coming in after not even having a top half of the B12 class for a number of years.
Whats terrifying is how SAWFT the schedule is for UGA next year. Their only potentially difficult road game is UT (other road games are Auburn, Vandy, and GT). No Bama next year, Florida is a question mark, nothing significant OOC, and Ole Miss at home. After reloading with 2 top 50 edge rushers
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Anyone backtracking on TCU being undeserving is just bitter revisionist history. Picked 7th in the B12, they just found ways to beat anyone in their path.
Any team picked 7th or lower in their conference preseason poll should just pack it in. ;D
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Wild NIL-related stuff from The Athletic:
In case you missed it, we’re breaking down one of the wilder stories of the NIL era: The curious case of Jaden Rashada. The four-star quarterback signee is in “purgatory,” G. Allen Taylor writes, as the school works to fix an NIL indiscretion. A quick-ish recap:
June 26, 2022: Rashada commits to Miami.
Nov. 10: Rashada and a Florida donor collective agree on an NIL deal exceeding $13 million, and he flips his commitment to the Gators.
Dec. 7: The collective’s CEO sends a termination letter regarding the contract, Taylor reports. There are conflicting accounts about why the deal crumbled and who pledged to pay what.
Dec. 21: Coach Billy Napier’s national signing day news conference is delayed 67 minutes. Rashada’s name, initially missing from the list of signees, is added at the last minute.
Dec. 29-Jan. 3: Rashada and his family make glowing comments about Napier and indicate the recruit plans to enroll early.
Jan. 10: He doesn’t.
One of Taylor’s sources says Rashada won’t be enrolling at Florida. There’s also the potential for litigation, hinging upon whether the November contract is binding. Florida collectives are offering a lesser deal (still above seven figures) — with the caveat that Rashada releases everyone from all previous claims.
Again: We’re talking seven-plus figures for a four-star recruit. Stay tuned!
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https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-offensive-lineman-Devin-Willock-recruiting-staffer-Chandler-LeCroy-killed-in-car-accident-202985931/
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https://twitter.com/samkramer76/status/1614399551003295744?s=46&t=0Mv764p_xv5J5C4Tw19XUA
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Wild NIL-related stuff from The Athletic:
In case you missed it, we’re breaking down one of the wilder stories of the NIL era: The curious case of Jaden Rashada. The four-star quarterback signee is in “purgatory,” G. Allen Taylor writes, as the school works to fix an NIL indiscretion. A quick-ish recap:
June 26, 2022: Rashada commits to Miami.
Nov. 10: Rashada and a Florida donor collective agree on an NIL deal exceeding $13 million, and he flips his commitment to the Gators.
Dec. 7: The collective’s CEO sends a termination letter regarding the contract, Taylor reports. There are conflicting accounts about why the deal crumbled and who pledged to pay what.
Dec. 21: Coach Billy Napier’s national signing day news conference is delayed 67 minutes. Rashada’s name, initially missing from the list of signees, is added at the last minute.
Dec. 29-Jan. 3: Rashada and his family make glowing comments about Napier and indicate the recruit plans to enroll early.
Jan. 10: He doesn’t.
One of Taylor’s sources says Rashada won’t be enrolling at Florida. There’s also the potential for litigation, hinging upon whether the November contract is binding. Florida collectives are offering a lesser deal (still above seven figures) — with the caveat that Rashada releases everyone from all previous claims.
Again: We’re talking seven-plus figures for a four-star recruit. Stay tuned!
I find it interesting, but not unexpected, the spread of player being "fired" by not only NIL employers but also teams/schools. I know NIL and transfer freedom was never sold as a path to fairness without negatives, but the way it has played out has crystalized the perception and reality that these are professional athletes and education has essentially been eliminated as mission of the system.
The reality that players were essentially cut prior to the past few years is true, but the scale on which NIL deals are being canceled and players are being forced into the transfer portal, to make room for others, is significant.
Also, the shift away from high school recruiting to transfer recruiting, or re-recruiting, has been interesting also.
It is shocking to me that Saban is stumping for a salary cap. I didn't see an SEC coach being in favor of that.
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I wouldn’t say that the education mission has been “eliminated.” I would say that this situation bares the fact that it has been de-emphasized for years. At the top levels, it has been nonsense for a long time. Now perception has caught up to that reality.
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I wouldn’t say that the education mission has been “eliminated.” I would say that this situation bares the fact that it has been de-emphasized for years. At the top levels, it has been nonsense for a long time. Now perception has caught up to that reality.
It is "Semantics" but when I said essentially eliminated I know that some level of academic participation is required but less important then things like practice and fulfilling NIL obligations. Also, the schools are more empowered to force players out of school, which balances the players having more power to switch schools.
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Eventually, there will be rules. In the meantime, this doesn't bother me at all. Glad to see the hard-working athletes get rewarded. High-level college football and basketball has been "professional" for years; now it's just on the table instead of under it, and now it's better money.
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When the salary cap comes about, the players will have to unionize. That is the only way to legally collectively bargain.
Remind me, what do unions do from time to time? ;)
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Wild NIL-related stuff from The Athletic:
In case you missed it, we’re breaking down one of the wilder stories of the NIL era: The curious case of Jaden Rashada. The four-star quarterback signee is in “purgatory,” G. Allen Taylor writes, as the school works to fix an NIL indiscretion. A quick-ish recap:
June 26, 2022: Rashada commits to Miami.
Nov. 10: Rashada and a Florida donor collective agree on an NIL deal exceeding $13 million, and he flips his commitment to the Gators.
Dec. 7: The collective’s CEO sends a termination letter regarding the contract, Taylor reports. There are conflicting accounts about why the deal crumbled and who pledged to pay what.
Dec. 21: Coach Billy Napier’s national signing day news conference is delayed 67 minutes. Rashada’s name, initially missing from the list of signees, is added at the last minute.
Dec. 29-Jan. 3: Rashada and his family make glowing comments about Napier and indicate the recruit plans to enroll early.
Jan. 10: He doesn’t.
One of Taylor’s sources says Rashada won’t be enrolling at Florida. There’s also the potential for litigation, hinging upon whether the November contract is binding. Florida collectives are offering a lesser deal (still above seven figures) — with the caveat that Rashada releases everyone from all previous claims.
Again: We’re talking seven-plus figures for a four-star recruit. Stay tuned!
Truly a fascinating story that’s a perfect highlight of the complexity of NIL.
Though they aren’t doing Rashada justice. He’s a top 25ish 5 star recruit on 24/7, 98 overall. The only other QBs that are 99s are top 5 recruits. It’s a extremely high rated QB class with Manning, Iamaleava, Moore, and Nelson all basically top 5 recruits. Any other year Rashada is probably a top 3 QB, he’s a stud. Hence the big NIL deal.
Also, the main reason his composite ranking fell so much was cause Rivals did the classic “drop the recruit a bunch of spots for not signing with a top 10 team” when he signed with Miami over the summer. He’s still top 30 in 24/7 and ESPN, but 80 something in Rivals
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When the salary cap comes about, the players will have to unionize. That is the only way to legally collectively bargain.
Remind me, what do unions do from time to time? ;)
Get locked out?
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Get locked out?
That and other fun prizes.
At least we'll still be able to demonize the NCAA for things out of their control.
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That and other fun prizes.
At least we'll still be able to demonize the NCAA for things out of their control.
The NCAA could have avoided all this years ago.
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Oh NCAA... Just when you think they may have learned something, they pick a fight over something like this.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-resolution-talks-in-nca-as-case-vs-michigan-hit-impasse-over-jim-harbaughs-refusal-to-say-he-lied-055122831.html
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Oh NCAA... Just when you think they may have learned something, they pick a fight over something like this.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-resolution-talks-in-nca-as-case-vs-michigan-hit-impasse-over-jim-harbaughs-refusal-to-say-he-lied-055122831.html
If the NCAA can prove he lied, good for the NCAA.
If the NCAA is just pissed that Harbaugh did not remember what happened or they can't prove he lied, then shame on the NCAA for being petty.
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If the NCAA can prove he lied, good for the NCAA.
If the NCAA is just pissed that Harbaugh did not remember what happened or they can't prove he lied, then shame on the NCAA for being petty.
The NCAA is worthless
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If the NCAA can prove he lied, good for the NCAA.
If the NCAA is just pissed that Harbaugh did not remember what happened or they can't prove he lied, then shame on the NCAA for being petty.
I'm far more inclined to take the side of coaches in these scenarios (outside of the flagrant and habitual rule breakers), largely due to how petty, spiteful, and obsessed with arbitrary minutiae the NCAA is.
I could see, hypothetically:
NCAA: (asks about infractions)
Harbaugh (annoyed): "I don't know what you're talking about"
NCAA: (reiterates)
JH: "I told you I don't know what you're talking about"
NCAA claims he lied, Harbaugh claims they are full of it. I'd be SHOCKED if the NCAA has proof he lied. Harbaugh is many things but I don't think he's blatantly stupid or dense.
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He acknowledged the violations. He apologized for them. I am sure Michigan will accept the penalties the NCAA levies.
But the NCAA wants to admit he purposely lied when talking to investigators. Cmon...
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He acknowledged the violations. He apologized for them. I am sure Michigan will accept the penalties the NCAA levies.
But the NCAA wants to admit he purposely lied when talking to investigators. Cmon...
Since there are hypotheticals on the thread anyways:
NCAA: "Did you know about XYZ happening on 5/1/22?"
JH: "I don't know anything about it"
NCAA: "We have an e-mail sent by you to the AD on 6/5/22 stating you know about XYZ"
JH: "Ummmmm"
I tend to think the NCAA is making a mountain out of a mole hill here, but since nobody here knows the facts it is unfair to assume the NCAA is in the wrong.
Let's leave the lazy, juvenile and click bait attacks on the NCAA to the media.
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Since there are hypotheticals on the thread anyways:
NCAA: "Did you know about XYZ happening on 5/1/22?"
JH: "I don't know anything about it"
NCAA: "We have an e-mail sent by you to the AD on 6/5/22 stating you know about XYZ"
JH: "Ummmmm"
I tend to think the NCAA is making a mountain out of a mole hill here, but since nobody here knows the facts it is unfair to assume the NCAA is in the wrong.
Let's leave the lazy, juvenile and click bait attacks on the NCAA to the media.
The NCAA is worthless
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I'm sure Michigan football will be slammed just as hard as Memphis, Kansas, Louisville, and Arizona basketball were.
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I'm sure Michigan football will be slammed just as hard as Memphis, Kansas, Louisville, and Arizona were.
I’m sure Michigan should be terrified
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What was everyone's favorite part of the Ed Reed Era at Bethune-Cookman?
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I thought this was a pretty good article about Reed at Bethune-Cookman.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2023/01/22/ed-reed-wrong-shaming-bethune-cookman-hbcus-departs-coach/11096689002/
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I thought this was a pretty good article about Reed at Bethune-Cookman.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2023/01/22/ed-reed-wrong-shaming-bethune-cookman-hbcus-departs-coach/11096689002/
Good article, Sultan. Thanks for posting.
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I thought this was a pretty good article about Reed at Bethune-Cookman.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2023/01/22/ed-reed-wrong-shaming-bethune-cookman-hbcus-departs-coach/11096689002/
I think the only thing the article was missing was attention to sports investment/infrastructure and success. Reed wasn't talking about Bethune as an academic institution or about its P&L. I saw a number of takes on it over the weekend from college sports people and the sentiment was that he has very valid points, but he also handled it in a terrible way and deserved to be canned cause you can't publicly disrespect your employer like that. Both can be true.
Interestingly, the team has started a petition to reinstate him.
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Former Badger wide receiver convicted of murdering 2 women. I wonder if it was at an Autozone.
He was out of jail on parole when the murders happened, having served time for abducting his daughter at gunpoint.
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Former Badger wide receiver convicted of murdering 2 women. I wonder if it was at an Autozone.
He was out of jail on parole when the murders happened, having served time for abducting his daughter at gunpoint.
He still gets free gym shoes, right?
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Wussy-ball for ACC
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article271775287.html?ac_cid=DM756730&ac_bid=2003256063
Coming off a year in which the ACC played 10 road games at non-Power 5 opponents — and lost three of them — schools received new guidance from the league office: Don’t.
While the nonconference portions of the schedules to be released Monday are often set years if not decades in advance, the ACC has asked schools to schedule most, if not all, of their future nonconference road games at either Power 5 teams or Army.
That sounds simple enough, except it can cost anywhere from $500,000 to $1 million to buy a home game against even a low-level FBS team, and playing home-and-homes or two-for-ones are often the best balance between finances and, to be blunt, wins.
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Wussy-ball for ACC
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article271775287.html?ac_cid=DM756730&ac_bid=2003256063
Coming off a year in which the ACC played 10 road games at non-Power 5 opponents — and lost three of them — schools received new guidance from the league office: Don’t.
While the nonconference portions of the schedules to be released Monday are often set years if not decades in advance, the ACC has asked schools to schedule most, if not all, of their future nonconference road games at either Power 5 teams or Army.
That sounds simple enough, except it can cost anywhere from $500,000 to $1 million to buy a home game against even a low-level FBS team, and playing home-and-homes or two-for-ones are often the best balance between finances and, to be blunt, wins.
Hahaha. The ACC locks the schools into the 5th best TV deal in the P5, then askes them to spend more money on buy games.
(I know the schools voted for the TV deal but what a mess the ACC has become. And what, 12 more years of this?)
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Notre Dame OC Tommy Rees leaves for the same job at Bama.
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Perhaps the wackiest stories (and contract provision) in the college football offseason so far:
https://theathletic.com/4161149/2023/02/06/brian-ferentz-contract-changes/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=6089622
Iowa offensive coordinator Brian Ferentz received a $50,000 pay cut and a designated performance objective to average at least 25 points per game while the program wins at least seven games, athletics director Gary Barta announced Monday.
Ferentz, the eldest son of head coach Kirk Ferentz and the offensive coordinator since 2017, officially is supervised by Barta in order to comply with state and university nepotism laws. Brian Ferentz’s salary dropped to $850,000 from $900,000. With an eight percent raise after participating in the Music City Bowl, Brian Ferentz initially was contracted to make $972,000 this year.
After one year with the program, every Iowa football assistant is on a two-year rolling agreement, but Brian Ferentz’s deal now is halted on June 30, 2024. According to the contract amendment, if designated performance objectives are met, Brian Ferentz’s deal will return to the prior two-year rolling agreement terms, along with a one-time lump sum bonus and base salary adjustment. If Brian Ferentz fails to meet either performance marker, his employment ends June 30, 2024.
Iowa averaged 17.7 points per game this year to rank No. 123 nationally. In 2021, the Hawkeyes averaged 23.4 points per game, ranking 99th. Still, with one of the country’s top defenses, Iowa won a combined 18 games over the two-year period, including a Big Ten West Division crown in 2021. This year, the defense scored six of the team’s 25 touchdowns (24 percent).
Brian Ferentz has led the Hawkeyes to solid scoring seasons previously. In 2020, Iowa averaged 31.8 points per game to rank second among Big Ten teams. In 2018, Iowa averaged 31.2 points per game to rank fourth in the Big Ten.
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@RossDellenger
The Big 12 and its TV partners have reached an early exit agreement with Texas and Oklahoma, sources tell @SInow.
The schools will owe the league a combined $100 million in an exit fee, source says. They will begin play in the SEC in 2024
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@RossDellenger
The Big 12 and its TV partners have reached an early exit agreement with Texas and Oklahoma, sources tell @SInow.
The schools will owe the league a combined $100 million in an exit fee, source says. They will begin play in the SEC in 2024
I guess $12M per school to miss OU and TX for one year is pretty good.
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I guess $12M per school to miss OU and TX for one year is pretty good.
I agree with this analysis
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Good line from The Athletic's Chris Branch:
When you grumble about NIL deals, remember there’s so much money in college football that it makes financial sense for two schools to pay $100 million to leave a conference one year early.
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Woe, Notre Dame ...
From The Athletic:
Here was Notre Dame head coach Marcus Freeman at a Fighting Irish hockey game, playing tour guide for the coach he wants to bring in as his new offensive coordinator — Utah’s Andy Ludwig. It was very public, and gave every indication of a done deal.
Except Ludwig isn’t Notre Dame’s offensive coordinator. News broke last night that the school is expected to promote tight ends coach Gerard Parker to the job. How did we get here?
Notre Dame had every intention of hiring Ludwig. The main issue was Ludwig’s contract buyout — steep at $2.8 million — which the school either didn’t know about or hoped to negotiate down. Utah balked at any discussion, and Notre Dame bowed out.
Stewart Mandel smartly points out that losing out on Ludwig isn’t earth-shattering. But this is Notre Dame, an old-school college football blueblood in a sport now swimming with money.
Even outside of Notre Dame looking cheap, Freeman gets shafted here. He clearly wanted Ludwig. He made a public showing of it. Then he didn’t receive the support necessary to get him. Not exactly a confidence boost for the second-year head coach.
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Deion Sanders has told dozens of Colorado football players to take a hike. Just cut them unceremoniously. CU later!
I get why he's doing it, and he apparently isn't doing anything against the rules. But it's worth remembering it the next time some coach shakes his fist at the clouds about "disloyal" athletes transferring or "greedy" athletes insisting upon receiving NIL money.
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Deion Sanders has told dozens of Colorado football players to take a hike. Just cut them unceremoniously. CU later!
I get why he's doing it, and he apparently isn't doing anything against the rules. But it's worth remembering it the next time some coach shakes his fist at the clouds about "disloyal" athletes transferring or "greedy" athletes insisting upon receiving NIL money.
The timing of this seems really weird. 26 guys have hit the portal since their spring game over the weekend. No way he fills all those spots. I don’t follow college football recruiting but I imagine all the high school seniors and half way decent transfers are committed to a school already. 26 is a lot
Btw, I’m rooting for Coach Prime and the Buffs. I love Boulder and think it would be cool if they shook up the college football world
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The timing of this seems really weird. 26 guys have hit the portal since their spring game over the weekend. No way he fills all those spots. I don’t follow college football recruiting but I imagine all the high school seniors and half way decent transfers are committed to a school already. 26 is a lot
Btw, I’m rooting for Coach Prime and the Buffs. I love Boulder and think it would be cool if they shook up the college football world
Deion to Colorado is a great story, that's for sure. Either he turns 'em around, or he goes down in flames. Either way, it's big news about a guy who's bigger than life.
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ESPN unveils preseason college power Index. Ohio State number 1. Badgers are 20th.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi
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https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/platform/amp/wisconsin-badgers-football/2023/4/10/23677869/way-too-early-wisconsin-badgers-football-season-predictions-luke-fickell-phil-longo-tanner-mordecai
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From The Athletic:
NCAA 24 is a go
This was always the final step: College football players — the actual people, not RB #8 — will be in EA’s new college football game, the company announced yesterday. EA says they’ve figured out a group licensing option, which will help players be compensated for appearing in the game … which is the whole reason the game went away a decade ago. It’s set to return next summer.
It's about effen time that the athletes whose images are used for video games make some coin from the sales of those games.
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I'm so Fing excited. Will be more excited if they bring back NCAA Basketball
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I'm so Fing excited. Will be more excited if they bring back NCAA Basketball
Exactly. I bought a PS5 not right when it came out, but not long after either. I played a tiny bit of some FIFA, NHL, NBA 2K, and Madden but never consistently. I played the Show a bit more, but again not much. I haven't turned it on in at least 6 months. I would've sold it, but knowing NCAA video games are returning I figured I'd hold onto it.
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MSU moving final game of season to Ford Field. Local Business in East Lansing not pleased.
https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2023/05/26/michigan-state-football-ford-field-east-lansing-businesses/70260651007/
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Coach who makes $6+ million a year off college football is very angry players make money off college football.
https://www.mediaite.com/sports/missouri-football-coach-who-will-make-6-million-this-season-complains-about-high-pay-for-college-athletes/
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https://athlonsports.com/college-football/wisconsin-football-badgers-prediction-preview-2023
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I really liked the Fickle hire, but expectations are very high for Fickle. I hope it goes better for him than it has for Jimbo at A&M or Cristobal at Miami.
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I really liked the Fickle hire, but expectations are very high for Fickle. I hope it goes better for him than it has for Jimbo at A&M or Cristobal at Miami.
Badgers results are a function of the quality of their quarterback. They usually have solid players at the other positions .
My guess is Fickle can upgrade the QB
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I really liked the Fickle hire, but expectations are very high for Fickle. I hope it goes better for him than it has for Jimbo at A&M or Cristobal at Miami.
Well Cristobal has been at Miami for one year so we will see. His forte has always been about recruiting.
Jimbo started to slide at FSU the minute Jameis left the program. I never really thought he was the offensive genius that has been portrayed either. He runs a pretty out-of-date type of pro style offense that has worked great with world class quarterbacks, but other than that can look pretty mediocre.
But you are right that the expectations are sky high for Fickell - and they should be.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-ten-football-schedule-conference-releases-2024-2025-opponents-featuring-flex-protect-plus-model/amp/
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Apologies if this is on the wrong topic or posted elsewhere. But I thought scoopers would be interested in this article. Apparently, X may be serious about bringing back Football.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/college-football/2023/06/139417/xavier-might-bring-back-football-which-could-end-badly-for-them
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Apologies if this is on the wrong topic or posted elsewhere. But I thought scoopers would be interested in this article. Apparently, X may be serious about bringing back Football.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/college-football/2023/06/139417/xavier-might-bring-back-football-which-could-end-badly-for-them
See the recent interview with the Xavier AD. They are speaking about football similar to Dayton & Butler. They expect a decision by the end of the calendar year.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/columnists/jason-williams/2023/06/27/big-east-conference-xavier-university-ad-talks-sean-miller-ncaa-tournament-cintas-center-football/70361498007/
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See the recent interview with the Xavier AD. They are speaking about football similar to Dayton & Butler. They expect a decision by the end of the calendar year.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/columnists/jason-williams/2023/06/27/big-east-conference-xavier-university-ad-talks-sean-miller-ncaa-tournament-cintas-center-football/70361498007/
Would be a fun addition for the students .
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From The Athletic:
Northwestern suspended football coach Pat Fitzgerald two weeks without pay after an investigation found hazing allegations within the program to be credible. Investigators didn’t find “sufficient evidence” the staff knew about the hazing, but there had been significant opportunities to discover and report it. The university implemented changes Friday, including designating someone who does not report to the football staff to monitor the locker room. A former player told The Daily Northwestern that the hazing included forced sexual acts.
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Yeah, the Daily Northwestern published this story yesterday...
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2023/07/08/top-stories/former-nu-football-player-details-hazing-allegations-after-coach-suspension/
...which lead to this response from the Northwestern president.
https://twitter.com/insidenu/status/1677896327433183234/photo/1
If the Daily Northwestern report is accurate, Fitzgerald SHOULD lose his job. And IMO the president is likely in a lot of trouble now too because that two week suspension looks ridiculous in light of information that people should have known would have come out eventually. (And the fact it came out 24 hours later means they were just waiting for that moment to share.)
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Thanks for posting that, Sultan. It wasn't easy to read how horrific that was. I was gonna say something like it's hard to imagine stuff like that taking place in 2022, but I guess it isn't. People can be so cruel and ugly, and supposed leaders are so easy to turn a blind eye.
It's difficult to see how Fitzgerald survives this, nor does it appear that he should. These head coaches tell parents that they are aware of everything going on in their programs, and that they will keep their sons safe. Now Fitzgerald is claiming to not know about something that has been ingrained in his program for years?
In addition to him losing his job, there probably will be (and should be) lawsuits against Northwestern.
This whole thing should make anybody who has kids or grandkids -- or who cares about our fellow humans -- shudder.
As an aside ...
That's some damn good and important work by the student reporters and editors at the Daily Northwestern.
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Players pushing back on Fitzgerald allegations
https://nypost.com/2023/07/09/northwestern-reconsidering-pat-fitzgeralds-hazing-penalty/amp/
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Players pushing back on Fitzgerald allegations
https://nypost.com/2023/07/09/northwestern-reconsidering-pat-fitzgeralds-hazing-penalty/amp/
Though it looks like it wasn’t actually written by “the ENTIRE team.”
https://twitter.com/danwolken/status/1678081440540401667?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
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https://twitter.com/Daniel_Rapaport/status/1678106537548558336?s=20
"Yeah it happened, but it was only a joke."
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That letter was inevitable. It also obviously wasn't written by the entire team.
And after claiming the charges of hazing were "exaggerated and twisted," the letter points to the independent investigation by former Illinois inspector general Maggie Hickey as if it were some form of exoneration when, in actuality:
Hickey’s investigation revealed that while current and former players “varied on their perspective” regarding the conduct, the whistleblower’s claims were “largely supported by evidence.”
Participation in or knowledge of these hazing activities, which were not detailed in the summary, was “widespread” across NU football players, the investigation found.
In other words, the whole thing stinks. And sorry, but the head coach is responsible for the actions of his team, especially when they have been going on for a long time. That's why he gets the big bucks.
Oh, and not that it matters in the context of this ugly shyte, but I was surprised to see how piss-poor Fitzgerald's team has been for years now.
Northwestern is 14-31 the last 4 seasons -- including 3 last-place (1-8) finishes. The program is back to being completely irrelevant nationally ... except when scandal elevates it to relevance.
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Oh, and not that it matters in the context of this ugly shyte, but I was surprised to see how piss-poor Fitzgerald's team has been for years now.
Northwestern is 14-31 the last 4 seasons -- including 3 last-place (1-8) finishes. The program is back to being completely irrelevant nationally ... except when scandal elevates it to relevance.
Not excusing any hazing, but that’s not entirely fair. They were terrible this year, sure, but among those 3 1-8 seasons was a season in which they won their division and made the B10 championship game and won a New Years Day bowl game against an SEC team to finish in the top 10. And the 4 year window cuts off another division win and B10CG berth and top 20 finish the year before the first 1-8 finish.
Those were the first 2 division titles in school history and the first time they finished on top of any part of the B10 in 20 years and 2 of only 6 bowl wins in program history.
Regardless of the scandal, they needed to turn stuff around in the next year or two, but it’s not like they plummeted to irrelevancy. They were up and down, as they’ve been all of Fitz’s tenure. That’s the nature of NW football in the B10 and current landscape
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Not excusing any hazing, but that’s not entirely fair. They were terrible this year, sure, but among those 3 1-8 seasons was a season in which they won their division and made the B10 championship game and won a New Years Day bowl game against an SEC team to finish in the top 10. And the 4 year window cuts off another division win and B10CG berth and top 20 finish the year before the first 1-8 finish.
Those were the first 2 division titles in school history and the first time they finished on top of any part of the B10 in 20 years and 2 of only 6 bowl wins in program history.
Regardless of the scandal, they needed to turn stuff around in the next year or two, but it’s not like they plummeted to irrelevancy. They were up and down, as they’ve been all of Fitz’s tenure. That’s the nature of NW football in the B10 and current landscape
Nah, 82 is right. The program is going very much in the wrong direction. 2020 was an outlier.
The Big Ten West is hardily a murderer's row, so going 1-8 in conference play 3 out of the last 4 seasons is bad. Really bad. Fitz has been unable to fill two key positions and it is killing the program.
First, the QB position has been a complete train wreck since Clayton Thorson graduated in 2018. Fitz has been unable to recruit and develop a QB in the period since. It was only decent in 2020 because he was able to get Peyton Ramsey to grad transfer from Indiana, but a program can't live on grad transfer QBs.
The double punch came when DC Mike Hankwitz retired after the 2020 season. Hankwitz was a terrific DC and NW's defense had become the team's calling card. When you look at the Fitz era, the offense had been trending worse over his tenure, but the defense was getting better and better. 2020 was its peak. Well, that ended when Hankwitz retired. Fitz hired his buddy Jim O'Neil and defense collapsed. O'Neil was canned after last season's debacle. This is a sinking ship.
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Nah, 82 is right. The program is going very much in the wrong direction. 2020 was an outlier.
The Big Ten West is hardily a murderer's row, so going 1-8 in conference play 3 out of the last 4 seasons is bad. Really bad. Fitz has been unable to fill two key positions and it is killing the program.
First, the QB position has been a complete train wreck since Clayton Thorson graduated in 2018. Fitz has been unable to recruit and develop a QB in the period since. It was only decent in 2020 because he was able to get Peyton Ramsey to grad transfer from Indiana, but a program can't live on grad transfer QBs.
The double punch came when DC Mike Hankwitz retired after the 2020 season. Hankwitz was a terrific DC and NW's defense had become the team's calling card. When you look at the Fitz era, the offense had been trending worse over his tenure, but the defense was getting better and better. 2020 was its peak. Well, that ended when Hankwitz retired. Fitz hired his buddy Jim O'Neil and defense collapsed. O'Neil was canned after last season's debacle. This is a sinking ship.
I'm sure people said the same thing about NW after they followed up the second 10 win season in program history with back to back 5-7 seasons where they won 4 conference games total.
And he didn't say the program is heading in the wrong direction, he said its "become completely irrelevant nationally". If thats to mean NW was relevant on a national stage again, then that statement doesn't make sense when in the last 8 seasons they have more top 25 finishes, more bowl wins, and more top 2 division finishes than bottom of the division finishes. I'm not all in on NW's future, even before this. Nor am I an NW football fan. But to imply that they lost all relevance over the last 2 years is silly when that would all be forgotten if they went 9-3/8-4 again, like they've done after bad seasons numerous times since Fitz has been in Evanston.
Also, FWIW, O'Neil was absolutely terrible but they replaced him with a super good hire with the DC from NDSU. Dude was FCS coordinator of the year and had an absurdly stingy defense multiple years in a row.
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Sorry Wags, when you go 1-8 in three out of four years, your program sucks. Even without hazing taking place right under your nose.
But I will admit that I shouldn't have implied that Northwestern had ever been nationally relevant during Fitzgerald's time as coach. Barnett's program got there briefly but otherwise, by any definition of "nationally relevant" that I can think of, that hasn't been Northwestern football in our lifetimes.
Look, Fitzgerald did OK in a difficult job, with a few decent years that ended in minor bowl wins, some really horrible years (including the aforementioned three 1-8 BT showings the last four seasons), and mostly mediocrity.
Northwestern brass seemed fine with that, and that's cool ... until the scandal arrived. He's Dead Coach Walking now.
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Sorry Wags, when you go 1-8 in three out of four years, your program sucks. Even without hazing taking place right under your nose.
But I will admit that I shouldn't have implied that Northwestern had ever been nationally relevant during Fitzgerald's time as coach. Barnett's program got there briefly but otherwise, by any definition of "nationally relevant" that I can think of, that hasn't been Northwestern football in our lifetimes.
Look, Fitzgerald did OK in a difficult job, with a few decent years that ended in minor bowl wins, some really horrible years (including the aforementioned three 1-8 BT showings the last four seasons), and mostly mediocrity.
Northwestern brass seemed fine with that, and that's cool ... until the scandal arrived. He's Dead Coach Walking now.
That’s woke America for you. Can’t haze your teammates anymore in demeaning ways. I stand with Pat.
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Pat should be, and will be fired.
Northwestern looks weaker and weaker the longer they wait.
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Look, Fitzgerald did OK in a difficult job, with a few decent years that ended in minor bowl wins, some really horrible years (including the aforementioned three 1-8 BT showings the last four seasons), and mostly mediocrity.
Northwestern brass seemed fine with that, and that's cool ... until the scandal arrived. He's Dead Coach Walking now.
He did a decent job for a Big Ten program. For Northwestern, he was absolutely incredible. People forget how awful NW football was for ages.
NW has finished in the top 20 9 times in the post WWII era. Fitz has 5 of those.
NW has won 6 bowl games in its history. Fitz has 5 of those.
NW has 9 9+ win seasons in its history. Fitz has 7 of those.
He did a fantastic job there given the program history, its restrictions, etc... The fact that 1-8 in conference and a bottom of the division finish is an outlier and not the norm like it was for 40+ years, speaks to that. But none of that matters if you can't control the program like this.
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He did a decent job for a Big Ten program. For Northwestern, he was absolutely incredible. People forget how awful NW football was for ages.
NW has finished in the top 20 9 times in the post WWII era. Fitz has 5 of those.
NW has won 6 bowl games in its history. Fitz has 5 of those.
NW has 9 9+ win seasons in its history. Fitz has 7 of those.
He did a fantastic job there given the program history, its restrictions, etc... The fact that 1-8 in conference and a bottom of the division finish is an outlier and not the norm like it was for 40+ years, speaks to that. But none of that matters if you can't control the program like this.
We could quibble a little over some of the phrasing and over some of the facts that make it possible to get more wins (more games played) and bowl appearances (relaxed standards) ... but sure, Fitzgerald had some "fantastic" results compared to the decades of pre-Barnett laughingstock status as well as (more recently) some bad results reminiscent of the decades of pre-Barnett laughingstock status.
We can totally agree on your last sentence.
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Geez, what is wrong with the Northwestern Athletic Department?
https://www.insidenu.com/2023/7/10/23790160/jim-foster-accused-of-toxic-workplace-environment-nine-players-and-staffers-tell-670-the-score
Alleged quote from their AD: "sometimes the right thing to do is not always the best thing to do."
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The Daily Northwestern says Fitzgerald is out.
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Geez, what is wrong with the Northwestern Athletic Department?
https://www.insidenu.com/2023/7/10/23790160/jim-foster-accused-of-toxic-workplace-environment-nine-players-and-staffers-tell-670-the-score
Alleged quote from their AD: "sometimes the right thing to do is not always the best thing to do."
Why do schools continue to run these sham investigations?
OH, Yeah. $$$
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I don't know if it's the purple uniforms, but something is making the players want to be gay.
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Amazing that a student newspaper broke this. Wonder how many media members close to the program were at least somewhat aware but didn’t want to risk access.
Got to think their AD is in trouble to with the baseball situation going on as well.
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Total guess, Lovie as 2023 interim coach at NW.
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Full text of NU Presidents Letter
https://www.northwestern.edu/leadership-notes/2023/decision-to-relieve-head-football-coach-pat-fitzgerald-of-his-duties.html
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Just found this incredible clip from Coach Fitzgerald on Hazing in 2018 . Wow.
https://devzone.positivecoach.org/resource/video/pat-fitzgerald-alternatives-hazing
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Full text of NU Presidents Letter
https://www.northwestern.edu/leadership-notes/2023/decision-to-relieve-head-football-coach-pat-fitzgerald-of-his-duties.html
So how did he know what the report said and come to the conclusion that two weeks was sufficient?
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Amazing that a student newspaper broke this. Wonder how many media members close to the program were at least somewhat aware but didn’t want to risk access.
First, kudos to the Daily Northwestern for some impressive work.
I don't think there's anything insidious behind the Tribune, Sun-Times or TV outlets not getting this first. I don't think many in the professional media are "close to the program" and privy to all kinds of inside information -- nothing like those who cover the Bears or other pro teams. Student reporters, who might be classmates and even friends with athletes and who prioritize Northwestern sports, are more likely to be close to the program IMHO.
In the Chicago media hierarchy, Northwestern football ranks well behind the Bears, Cubs, White Sox, Bulls and Blackhawks, and also behind Notre Dame and Illinois. In the summer, it ranks behind offseason news regarding pro sports teams and golf (as well as baseball, of course). During the season, each newspaper will have a reporter cover games and maybe go to the midweek coach's press conference, but even that reporter has other beats and doesn't focus exclusively on Northwestern. During the summer, the papers completely ignore Northwestern (obviously). The Tribune and Sun-Times have been cutting staff for 20+ years, too.
I'm not making excuses; there probably is some embarrassment in those outlets about being beaten on such a big story by student reporters. You wondered, and I'm just providing what I believe the facts are.
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First, kudos to the Daily Northwestern for some impressive work.
I don't think there's anything insidious behind the Tribune, Sun-Times or TV outlets not getting this first. I don't think many in the professional media are "close to the program" and privy to all kinds of inside information -- nothing like those who cover the Bears or other pro teams. Student reporters, who might be classmates and even friends with athletes and who prioritize Northwestern sports, are more likely to be close to the program IMHO.
In the Chicago media hierarchy, Northwestern football ranks well behind the Bears, Cubs, White Sox, Bulls and Blackhawks, and also behind Notre Dame and Illinois. In the summer, it ranks behind offseason news regarding pro sports teams and golf (as well as baseball, of course). During the season, each newspaper will have a reporter cover games and maybe go to the midweek coach's press conference, but even that reporter has other beats and doesn't focus exclusively on Northwestern. During the summer, the papers completely ignore Northwestern (obviously). The Tribune and Sun-Times have been cutting staff for 20+ years, too.
I'm not making excuses; there probably is some embarrassment in those outlets about being beaten on such a big story by student reporters. You wondered, and I'm just providing what I believe the facts are.
Can you imagine this conversation: "Excuse me boss but even though we are losing money hand over fist, I'd like to spend a month doing a deep dive on Northwestern football". That would be a more explicit notice of resignation than Bob Huggins'.
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And now the Daily Northwestern is reporting that Fitzgerald's program was rife with racism.
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2023/07/10/sports/former-nu-players-describe-racist-environment-in-football-program/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=7205668
Three former players, including one who agreed to let his name be used, were the sources.
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And now the Daily Northwestern is reporting that Fitzgerald's program was rife with racism.
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2023/07/10/sports/former-nu-players-describe-racist-environment-in-football-program/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=7205668
Three former players, including one who agreed to let his name be used, were the sources.
I think you’re wrong. The baseball coach, in an interview yesterday, revealed that he has a black friend
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Why is there not a police investigation going on. There was institutional sexual assault (doesn’t ‘hazing’ sound so much more innocent?) going on for decades with the tacit approval of Fitz.
Just think if even one of these sexual incidents happened in a regular student dorm. The police would have been called and charges would be issued.
Why should the football program be insulated against this?
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And now the Daily Northwestern is reporting that Fitzgerald's program was rife with racism.
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2023/07/10/sports/former-nu-players-describe-racist-environment-in-football-program/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=7205668
Three former players, including one who agreed to let his name be used, were the sources.
The question now that Fitz has been fired is does this story have additional legs?
The one thing NU did right is that they properly investigated the Nov. 2022 hazing claim when they received word of it.
But, my question is, did the athletic department receive prior complains about Fitz and the behavior in his program before the Nov. 2022 complaint? Fitz was coach for 17 seasons. For most of them, his AD was Jim Phillips, the current ACC Commissioner.
There's been smoke around this department for years. See the controversy and departure of Phillips' original replacement of Mike Polisky. https://www.si.com/college/2021/05/13/northwestern-ad-mike-polisky-resigns-after-community-protest (https://www.si.com/college/2021/05/13/northwestern-ad-mike-polisky-resigns-after-community-protest)
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Rovell going radio silent for almost 24 hours after defending Fitzgerald when this first came out has been fun to watch.
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Pardon the Interruption's Michael Wilbon is a very proud Northwestern graduate. He has been on the school's board of trustees (might even still be), he regularly touts his alma mater's athletic achievements (when there are any), and he has spoken very highly of "Fitz."
I'll be tuning in today to check out what he has to say. (PTI was pre-empted by tennis yesterday.)
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Is there any question now that the president of NU will be fired? The guy had to know what was going on, and if he didn't he should have known.
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Is there any question now that the president of NU will be fired? The guy had to know what was going on, and if he didn't he should have known.
The problem he has was the original two week suspension and his comments in the Friday release. But, he moved on Pat quickly after more came out over the weekend. So, I think he survives.
He started at NU in September of last year. So, no, I don't think he knew (nor should have) about the issue until the complaint in Nov. 2022, which was seemly handled correctly.
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Total guess, Lovie as 2023 interim coach at NW.
It's going to be the new DC.
Long term, Mike Kafka would be the dream, but he's probably in line for an NFL head coaching job sooner or later, so I don't know why he'd come back to NU.
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Green Bay Packers wanted Pat Fitzgerald to replace Mike McCarthy as head coach in 2019 (https://sports.yahoo.com/green-bay-packers-wanted-pat-153022279.html)
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It's going to be the new DC.
Long term, Mike Kafka would be the dream, but he's probably in line for an NFL head coaching job sooner or later, so I don't know why he'd come back to NU.
I'm not sure hiring a former player from the Fitz era is the right move either.
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The problem he has was the original two week suspension and his comments in the Friday release. But, he moved on Pat quickly after more came out over the weekend. So, I think he survives.
He started at NU in September of last year. So, no, I don't think he knew (nor should have) about the issue until the complaint in Nov. 2022, which was seemly handled correctly.
Apparently, according to radio reports, nothing new came out over the weekend, the only new part was the public knowledge of the details. He as had all the information for some time and thought two weeks was appropriate. NU must remove this president if they hope to save any face and respect.
Also, how does NU keep the assistants who have been there for years? They are even more guilty in my book because they would have better access to the incidents than Pat would. Logically, they must go too.
And are not some/most of the players guilty of violating university policies? How can they continue as full-ride athletes? There is something blatantly unjust if they can get away with conduct that would never be tolerated for regular student. This goes way beyond the typical football player privilege.
We are at the tip of the iceberg of this s**t show.
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I'm not sure hiring a former player from the Fitz era is the right move either.
It'll be Tommy Rees after his one year stint in Tuscaloosa.
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It'll be Tommy Rees after his one year stint in Tuscaloosa.
Lake Forest Tommy. Honestly, if he's successful at Bama, he can and should do much better than the NU job.
David Braun is in a good position here as an interim. He has no ties to the past and takes over a 1-11 team in turmoil. Expectations will be zero. If he can steady the ship, win some games and develop a post-Fitz clean-up plan, he could be in a strong position to get the job.
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Lake Forest Tommy. Honestly, if he's successful at Bama, he can and should do much better than the NU job.
David Braun is in a good position here as an interim. He has no ties to the past and takes over a 1-11 team in turmoil. Expectations will be zero. If he can steady the ship, win some games and develop a post-Fitz clean-up plan, he could be in a strong position to get the job.
If successful at Bama this year, I would agree with you. I just think ADs might be a bit reluctant at the P5 level with a first year HC that young. That being said, it'll be interesting to follow the rumors throughout the year.
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Green Bay Packers wanted Pat Fitzgerald to replace Mike McCarthy as head coach in 2019 (https://sports.yahoo.com/green-bay-packers-wanted-pat-153022279.html)
Reports that I have heard say he was never a serious candidate for any NFL head coaching job. Stories to the contrary were pushed by Fitzgerald’s team. He’s a very good politician as a head coach.
Maybe hecan be the new Tommy Tuberville and become Senator Fitzgerald. Hang out with white nationalists and undermine the military.
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Maybe hecan be the new Tommy Tuberville and become Senator Fitzgerald. Hang out with white nationalists and undermine the military.
Why are you derailing this?
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Why do schools continue to run these sham investigations?
OH, Yeah. $$$
It's a vast minority of them that are "sham investigations". The reality is that the legal bar for hostile environment is very high. Most cases fall well short. We can debate if that bar should be lowered, but investigators can only follow their policies (which are largely based on federal regulations). Though if it's true that they didn't interview any of the baseball players during the investigations, that is seemingly negligent
Why is there not a police investigation going on. There was institutional sexual assault (doesn’t ‘hazing’ sound so much more innocent?) going on for decades with the tacit approval of Fitz.
Just think if even one of these sexual incidents happened in a regular student dorm. The police would have been called and charges would be issued.
Why should the football program be insulated against this?
This is incorrect. Universities are only required to inform complainants of their right to involve the police. They are actively discouraged from calling the police on behalf of the complainant except in specific circumstances (though they do provide de-identified reports to law enforcement through the Clery Act). The best practice is to empower the Complainant to make the best choice for their own self. Complainants should not be forced to speak to the police if they don't want to. They've already had choices stripped from them by the assault, why add to it? Going to the police is the right for some but for others it is the absolute last thing they want to do.
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It's a vast minority of them that are "sham investigations". The reality is that the legal bar for hostile environment is very high. Most cases fall well short. We can debate if that bar should be lowered, but investigators can only follow their policies (which are largely based on federal regulations). Though if it's true that they didn't interview any of the baseball players during the investigations, that is seemingly negligent
This is incorrect. Universities are only required to inform complainants of their right to involve the police. They are actively discouraged from calling the police on behalf of the complainant except in specific circumstances (though they do provide de-identified reports to law enforcement through the Clery Act). The best practice is to empower the Complainant to make the best choice for their own self. Complainants should not be forced to speak to the police if they don't want to. They've already had choices stripped from them by the assault, why add to it? Going to the police is the right for some but for others it is the absolute last thing they want to do.
Thanks for the info.
I should have been more specific that the sham investigations that I was referring to are the high profile cases - not those that schools deal with on a regular basis.
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Green Bay Packers wanted Pat Fitzgerald to replace Mike McCarthy as head coach in 2019 (https://sports.yahoo.com/green-bay-packers-wanted-pat-153022279.html)
Buzz always went by the mantra is to get while the gettins good. Too bad Fitz didn’t go by that tbeory
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Thanks for the info.
I should have been more specific that the sham investigations that I was referring to are the high profile cases - not those that schools deal with on a regular basis.
The vast majority of high profile cases aren't sham investigations either. They do exist but they are few and far between.
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Also, how does NU keep the assistants who have been there for years? They are even more guilty in my book because they would have better access to the incidents than Pat would. Logically, they must go too.
This was my reaction, too. The article on racism in the program included references to several assistants. It's a toxic program; gotta get out the bleach.
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This was my reaction, too. The article on racism in the program included references to several assistants. It's a toxic program; gotta get out the bleach.
All those accusations date back 10-15 years. It appears nobody on the current coaching staff has been there that long.
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All those accusations date back 10-15 years. It appears nobody on the current coaching staff has been there that long.
If the assistants and players remain on the team while the head coach is fired, this whole process screams 'sham' and looks like NU only saw a way to bail on a $50M contract.
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If they bring in a new coach from the outside, they will hire their own staff. They aren't going to gut the current staff at this point in the year. Unless of course there are serious allegations against any of them.
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If they bring in a new coach from the outside, they will hire their own staff. They aren't going to gut the current staff at this point in the year. Unless of course there are serious allegations against any of them.
They fired the head coach for allegations that were not serious?
There is a gap in logic here that I don't understand. The players who actually acted in the hazing are not punished (as every other student would be) and the assistants who are far, far more likely to have known about this than Fitz are left in place?
Is this a serious matter or not? The actions by NU clearly point to it not being serious and they took a chance to get out from a huge contract. NU is only looking to save money; morals and ethics do not appear to be a factor in this decision.
NU is making a big mistake and the courts will give Fitz his money and damages. And I think the courts will be correct in that decision.
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All those accusations date back 10-15 years. It appears nobody on the current coaching staff has been there that long.
Very fair point. Thanks.
But it's hard to believe that the assistants weren't in on the whole hazing "secret" even more than Fitzgerald was. I know it would hurt the program to launch all the assistants, but I think it's gotta be done. The program's already in deep doo-doo.
At the very, very least, a thorough institutional investigation into each assistant needs to be made, one would think.
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They fired the head coach for allegations that were not serious?
There is a gap in logic here that I don't understand. The players who actually acted in the hazing are not punished (as every other student would be) and the assistants who are far, far more likely to have known about this than Fitz are left in place?
Is this a serious matter or not? The actions by NU clearly point to it not being serious and they took a chance to get out from a huge contract. NU is only looking to save money; morals and ethics do not appear to be a factor in this decision.
NU is making a big mistake and the courts will give Fitz his money and damages. And I think the courts will be correct in that decision.
Do we know this? I honestly don't remember reading that but may have missed it.
Universities can't publicly discuss discipline for students so no announcement does not necessarily mean no punishment. Also this sounds like it goes back years. Any alleged perpatrators who have already graduated or transferred are largely beyond the universitys reach.
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They fired the head coach for allegations that were not serious?
There is a gap in logic here that I don't understand. The players who actually acted in the hazing are not punished (as every other student would be) and the assistants who are far, far more likely to have known about this than Fitz are left in place?
Is this a serious matter or not? The actions by NU clearly point to it not being serious and they took a chance to get out from a huge contract. NU is only looking to save money; morals and ethics do not appear to be a factor in this decision.
NU is making a big mistake and the courts will give Fitz his money and damages. And I think the courts will be correct in that decision.
Like it or not, the head coach is ultimately responsible for what happens in the program. He is the highest profile figure, and therefore is going to take the fall when these things occur.
I don't know if any complaints have been filed against the other student athletes. I don't know what other coaches were involved or what they knew.
The standard for the head coach getting a big salary is that the standard for their dismissal is oftentimes lower than for an assistant. Oftentimes they don't have contracts with similar language as the head coach, which can make their dismissal more difficult.
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Why would NW have suspended him for just a couple games if they were just looking to get out of a big contract and save money? Seems like they actually knew they had a serious problem but were hoping to sweep it under the rug and keep their guy there.
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Why would NW have suspended him for just a couple games if they were just looking to get out of a big contract and save money? Seems like they actually knew they had a serious problem but were hoping to sweep it under the rug and keep their guy there.
Exactly. If the goal was to dump Fitz and his contract, then why not release the full report and fire him on Friday? Instead, they did the opposite.
Pretty clear the initial goal was to save Fitz and try to keep a lid on the findings. His punishment, the two-week suspension, was designed to have as little impact on the program as possible in what was a critical season for him.
One thing I agree with WT on is that Fitz is going to get his cash. The irony of course is that because NU waffled on this decision, he is likely to get significantly more. If NU had been more cutthroat and fired him on Friday at the first opportunity to do so, I bet he would end up with less.
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Good points on the suspension being changed to firing does not support NW looking to bail on his contract. I will concede that point.
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Do we know this? I honestly don't remember reading that but may have missed it.
Universities can't publicly discuss discipline for students so no announcement does not necessarily mean no punishment. Also this sounds like it goes back years. Any alleged perpatrators who have already graduated or transferred are largely beyond the universitys reach.
Well I would think that hazing to the level of terminating the HC, would merit at least a 1/2 game suspension (reasonable people could argue expulsion from NW). I believe Big10 schools announce player suspensions.
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In other NW news, it looks like the $800 million stadium redo is going the way of MU's soccer stadium.
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Well I would think that hazing to the level of terminating the HC, would merit at least a 1/2 game suspension (reasonable people could argue expulsion from NW). I believe Big10 schools announce player suspensions.
My guess would be get the HC action out of the way as that’s the most high profile. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s more suspensions/firings coming, but much less public.
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Well I would think that hazing to the level of terminating the HC, would merit at least a 1/2 game suspension (reasonable people could argue expulsion from NW). I believe Big10 schools announce player suspensions.
They can announce suspensions for "violations of team rules". They don't have to announce them, especially during the summer. They also don't announce expulsions. My guess is that if you check the transfer portal, you'll find some of the perpatrators.
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Hope Fitz gets another job but in woke America you get fired for hazing and racism
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Hope Fitz gets another job but in woke America you get fired for hazing and racism
Just ask Mike Lindell!
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They can announce suspensions for "violations of team rules". They don't have to announce them, especially during the summer. They also don't announce expulsions. My guess is that if you check the transfer portal, you'll find some of the perpatrators.
I suppose, in typical NU ethical fashion, they may wait until this 30 day transfer window closes before dropping the bomb on the players.
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I suppose, in typical NU ethical fashion, they may wait until this 30 day transfer window closes before dropping the bomb on the players.
I guarentee that if any current students were sanctioned for this, it already happened
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2023/07/12/defensive-tackle-dillan-johnson-flips-from-northwestern-to-wisconsin/70406835007/
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<shrugs shoulders>
Sure....why not?
https://www.insidenu.com/2023/7/12/23792967/source-former-lsu-coach-ed-orgeron-would-have-interest-in-northwestern-vacancy
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<shrugs shoulders>
Sure....why not?
https://www.insidenu.com/2023/7/12/23792967/source-former-lsu-coach-ed-orgeron-would-have-interest-in-northwestern-vacancy
Didn't his LSU teams get hit with violations, vacated victories and bowl bans?
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Didn't his LSU teams get hit with violations, vacated victories and bowl bans?
It was a joke but yeah…
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Just ask Mike Lindell!
Interesting that Sultan didn’t attack you over derailing this thread. ::)
Maybe he’s waiting for a post from Lenny.
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Here come the lawsuits.
Just keeps getting worse for Fitzgerald and Northwestern.
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Here come the lawsuits.
Just keeps getting worse for Fitzgerald and Northwestern.
Fitzgerald will be fine. He's probably going to walk away with an eight-figure settlement, and college coaches with even a slight record of success have nine lives. Hugh Freeze used a school phone to hire prostitutes and Auburn just gave him $40 million. DJ Durkin killed a kid and he just got hired as Texas A&M's defensive coordinator.
A hazing scandal is child's play. I'd be stunned if Fitzgerald isn't a coordinator or better at a P5 school by 2027.
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You’re probably right, Pak.
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Nah, he's had opportunities to bolt for the NFL in the past. Eye's bee surprised if he turns it down now and duzant leave the candy game of college athletics behind, aina?
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Nah, he's had opportunities to bolt for the NFL in the past. Eye's bee surprised if he turns it down now and duzant leave the candy game of college athletics behind, aina?
I have my doubts that he would be an effective NFL head coach. Will have to pay his dues as a coordinator first.
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Lane Kiffin says state of college football is 'a disaster'
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38042106/lane-kiffin-says-state-college-football-disaster
Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffin didn't wait for questions on the impact of the transfer portal and name, image and likeness deals at SEC media days on Thursday. Instead, he addressed both topics during his opening statement, calling the current state of college football a "disaster."
Kiffin prefaced his comments by saying he's happy that players can get paid but said the unintended consequence of NIL is a "pay-for-play" system where players follow the money and the teams with the deepest pockets get the best talent.
With the transfer portal, Kiffin said, "free agency" now exists -- except that, unlike professional sports, every college player can enter into free agency twice a year with the spring and winter transfer windows.
Said Kiffin: "We've got professional sports," except with no salary cap or luxury tax, and the result is myriad "issues" for coaches.
"And I'm not complaining about it 'cause we take advantage, obviously, of free agency," he added.
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Maybe if people could have seen this coming and made suggestions for reform years ago… 🤔🤔🤔
Anyway he’s paid handsomely to figure this out. And the ratings are huge again this year.
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Maybe if people could have seen this coming and made suggestions for reform years ago… 🤔🤔🤔
Anyway he’s paid handsomely to figure this out. And the ratings are huge again this year.
College football is doomed
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Lane Kiffin says state of college football is 'a disaster'
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38042106/lane-kiffin-says-state-college-football-disaster
Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffin didn't wait for questions on the impact of the transfer portal and name, image and likeness deals at SEC media days on Thursday. Instead, he addressed both topics during his opening statement, calling the current state of college football a "disaster."
Kiffin prefaced his comments by saying he's happy that players can get paid but said the unintended consequence of NIL is a "pay-for-play" system where players follow the money and the teams with the deepest pockets get the best talent.
With the transfer portal, Kiffin said, "free agency" now exists -- except that, unlike professional sports, every college player can enter into free agency twice a year with the spring and winter transfer windows.
Said Kiffin: "We've got professional sports," except with no salary cap or luxury tax, and the result is myriad "issues" for coaches.
"And I'm not complaining about it 'cause we take advantage, obviously, of free agency," he added.
The guy who bailed on Tennessee for USC aftet one season may not be the best standard bearer for this message.
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The guy who bailed on Tennessee for USC aftet one season may not be the best standard bearer for this message.
When making this whine-a-thon, Kiffin even admitted that he's moved around more than any of the athletes he's talking about.
Just another rich, power-broker hypocrite who wants to keep the right to make money and move freely for his ilk.
Do NIL and the transfer portal cause some chaos? Sure. That's life. There are plenty of professions that aren't affected at all by NIL and the transfer portal. If those things bother Kiffin so much, he has the freedom as an American to quit coaching and choose one of those.
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When making this whine-a-thon, Kiffin even admitted that he's moved around more than any of the athletes he's talking about.
Just another rich, power-broker hypocrite who wants to keep the right to make money and move freely for his ilk.
Do NIL and the transfer portal cause some chaos? Sure. That's life. There are plenty of professions that aren't affected at all by NIL and the transfer portal. If those things bother Kiffin so much, he has the freedom as an American to quit coaching and choose one of those.
I wouldn’t call it a whine a thon or a hypocrite. He didn’t complain about or decry NIL. He didn’t say it ruined CFB. And he even admitted it helps him and his team. He just said it’s a mess in some ways and makes coaching much more of a PITA in some ways. Something can be for the greater good and still be problematic in the short term.
Honestly, it’s kind of refreshing in its honesty. It’s a far cry from the whining that someone like Dabo does. I think you can be pro-NIL and pro-athletes getting paid while still admitting it’s the wild Wild West, especially early on. Especially with the sentiment of “it’s a disaster, but we’ll figure it out like we always do”.
I’m enthusiastically pro-NIL, but I don’t disagree that large wholesale roster changes or turnover every year isn’t the best, even if it is empowering.
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Well, he said NIL and the portal made college football “a disaster.”
But yes, it was refreshing to hear him say he’s basically been in coaching’s version of the transfer portal his entire career. So maybe he’s less of a hypocrite than others. That’s fair.
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Michigan favorite in this pre-season Big 10 Bowl
https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2023/07/michigan-clear-favorite-over-ohio-state-in-13th-annual-clevelandcom-preseason-big-ten-football-poll.html
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Jim Leonhard took an analyst position at Illinois? Huh
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Jim Leonhard took an analyst position at Illinois? Huh
Excellent hire for Illini
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/article/illinois-fighting-illini-football-jim-leonhard-joins-illini-football-staff-analyst-213185320/amp/
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Jim Harbaugh appears headed for a four-game suspension.
Against East Carolina, UNLV, Bowling Green and Rutgers, so you know the NCAA is serious
https://www.si.com/college/2023/07/25/jim-harbaugh-suspension-michigan-four-games
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https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-football/luke-fickells-wisconsin-vision-protect-the-past-while-charting-a-new-course
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https://apnews.com/article/georgia-bulldogs-threepeat-college-football-national-champions-1ecef7da32d83dd6d9ccb98b351797f3
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https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/06/look-wisconsin-legend-joe-thomas-inducted-into-the-pro-football-hall-of-fame/
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Looks at each top 25 team https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2023/08/07/college-football-top-25-team-outlooks-preseason-2023/70470803007/
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Pre SeasonCoaches Poll is out. Amazing that 5 current members of the Pac-12 are in the top 25. Kind of highlights the embarrassing role of the University Presidents and Commissioner of Pac12 in not getting their media deal done.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/rankings/coaches/
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https://theclemsoninsider.com/2023/08/11/espns-dinich-talks-clemson-gives-acc-championship-game-prediction/amp/
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How far have the Florida Gators fallen?
Graham Mertz named starting QB.
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How far have the Florida Gators fallen?
Graham Mertz named starting QB.
Far
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TCU 455 Pound Lineman “Big Bubba”
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tcu-455-pound-freshman-nicknamed-big-bubba-going-viral-expected-fan-favorite.amp
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TCU 455 Pound Lineman “Big Bubba”
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tcu-455-pound-freshman-nicknamed-big-bubba-going-viral-expected-fan-favorite.amp
6'5"? Walk on for Jamie Dixon? ;D
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9-9-9 ... you are all-in on the ACC.
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How far have the Florida Gators fallen?
Graham Mertz named starting QB.
;D
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9-9-9 ... you are all-in on the ACC.
Joel Klatt is all in on Clemson
https://theclemsoninsider.com/2023/08/09/national-analyst-explains-why-hes-in-on-clemson-this-year/amp/
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https://sports.yahoo.com/source-jim-harbaughs-suspension-deal-with-ncaa-breaks-down-hes-now-expected-to-coach-full-2023-season-205108318.html
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Badger offense is going to be strong this season
https://247sports.com/article/wisconsin-badgers-big-ten-championship-hunt-luke-fickell-braelon-allen-college-football-214404849/amp/
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Badgers should be a decent team this year with a quality , potentially excellent,QB
https://www.whiskeyriff.com/2023/08/17/wisconsin-quarterback-tanner-mordecai-jams-out-to-toby-keith-during-micd-up-practice/
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Irish win in Ireland
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38266485/hartman-no-13-irish-cruise-navy?platform=amp
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Irish win in Ireland
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38266485/hartman-no-13-irish-cruise-navy?platform=amp
Who cares?
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https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/lists/final-wisconsin-football-2023-game-by-game-predictions/
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Cornhuskers blow the game with turnovers down the stretch. Big Gopher home win on last second 47 yard FG
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Delighted to see U Conn lose their opener at home to NC State Wolf Pack
Rooting for a losing season at U Conn
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Cornhuskers blow the game with turnovers down the stretch. Big Gopher home win on last second 47 yard FG
That's the Matt Rhule I know!
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Ryan Nanni
@celebrityhottub
is this a bad time to note that Minnesota was the first team Scott Frost beat as Nebraska head coach?
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Huskers need to stick to Volleyball
95,000 show up for games in Memorial Stadium
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/nebraska-volleyball-may-break-world-attendance-record/
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Big East Football power Villanova kicks off their season at Lehigh
MSU starts season well romping over Central Michigan
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It’s early, but Deion got CU amped for this opener. Looking surprisingly strong and fast against a really good TCU team
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So Travis Hunter is good. Playing this many snaps at WR and CB in this heat is wild.
And Prime’s son ain’t half bad either.
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Congrats to Fresno St.
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Prime Time!!
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So Travis Hunter is good. Playing this many snaps at WR and CB in this heat is wild.
And Prime’s son ain’t half bad either.
He’s everything that’s been advertised and then some. Not only is he an insane athlete and amazing CB, he runs damn good routes at WR, he’s not just some speedster on go routes. They gotta figure out how to get rest and keep him fresh but otherwise he’s gonna absolutely Heisman front runner
Also, beyond Deion, LOTTTTT of people talked sh** about Shadeur and not being a P5 caliber QB and him struggling now not being FCS but holy hell he is cool and efficient. Colorado school record in Game 1.
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SC at Colorado in a few weeks could be awesome.
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Nebraska at Colorado next week could be interesting.
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Outstanding win for Colorado
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Nebraska at Colorado next week could be interesting.
Interesting in that Nebraska will likely start 0-2?
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Mordecai. Mertz.
Same guy?
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Mordecai has a much better arm. But struggled at reading the defense.
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Unfortunately, I think Fickell is a really good coach who is gonna get it done. But it will be because he brings in another stud like a Desmond Ridder, not Mordecai. Mordecai is just another fringe P5 starter who wasn’t even a top 2 QB in the AAC. They should honestly be giving Nick Evers more looks, cause he’s the only one with true potential on that roster, IMO
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Unfortunately, I think Fickell is a really good coach who is gonna get it done. But it will be because he brings in another stud like a Desmond Ridder, not Mordecai. Mordecai is just another fringe P5 starter who wasn’t even a top 2 QB in the AAC. They should honestly be giving Nick Evers more looks, cause he’s the only one with true potential on that roster, IMO
It's hard when they don't earn it though. Maybe later in the year.
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Badgers with the solid running game as usual. QB did not have his best game.
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Would like to see UNC and South Carolina play more often. Turn it into a real rivalry .
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Enjoyed seeing Texas State beat Baylor
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Nova and Georgetown off to a winning start to their football seasons
Butler lost at FCS #14 Montana , 35-20 , in front of 25,430 Fans in Missoula. That had to be a fun environment .
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Apparently, nobody told LSU's players and coaches that each college football game includes a second half.
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Apparently, nobody told LSU's players and coaches that each college football game includes a second half.
Nice to see Florida State romp in second half.
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https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/lists/five-takeaways-from-wisconsin-footballs-season-opening-win-over-buffalo/
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/lsu-vs-florida-state-score-takeaways-seminoles-dominate-tigers-affirming-college-football-playoff-hype/live/amp/
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Clemson lost 28-7 to Duke yesterday. An amazing stat is that Clemson did not score or punt in the second half.
https://x.com/danwetzel/status/1698910354682655120?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
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Duke fans Celebrating
https://twitter.com/DukeFOOTBALL/status/1698923917770174695?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/no-9-clemson-upset-duke-tigers-turnover-filled-dud-season-opener
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Duke QB sacked by Professor
https://www.si.com/.amp/extra-mustard/2023/09/05/duke-professor-hilariously-denies-qb-request-homework-extension-after-clemson-win
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Battle of undefeated Jayhawks and Illini tonight
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https://nypost.com/2023/09/04/alabamas-tilt-with-texas-comes-with-petty-seating-arrangement/amp/
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Shedeur to Tar’Varish for a TD.
Key and Peele are chuckling today.
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Outstanding win for Buffs over Huskers.
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The hype is out of control!
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Sportsbook operator BetMGM reported Friday that Colorado-Nebraska had attracted more bets than every remaining NFL game in Week 1 -- a rarity, according to bookmakers, especially for a matchup that didn't look overly attractive before the year.
The bulk of the betting action, upwards of 90%, was on the favored Buffaloes. At PointsBet/Fanatics, more money had been bet on Colorado minus the points against the Cornhuskers than had been bet on 30 NFL teams, with only the Kansas City Chiefs and Detroit Lions, who played Thursday, garnering more support from bettors.
Ethan Useloff, a trader for PointsBet/Fanatics, said entering the season, there had been more bets on Colorado, a 100-1 long shot, to win the national championship than powerhouses such as Ohio State and Georgia.
"They are being backed as if they were one of the favorites to win it all," Useloff told ESPN.
https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/38353136/deion-colorado-buffaloes-attracting-more-bets-nfl-games
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The hype is out of control!
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Sportsbook operator BetMGM reported Friday that Colorado-Nebraska had attracted more bets than every remaining NFL game in Week 1 -- a rarity, according to bookmakers, especially for a matchup that didn't look overly attractive before the year.
The bulk of the betting action, upwards of 90%, was on the favored Buffaloes. At PointsBet/Fanatics, more money had been bet on Colorado minus the points against the Cornhuskers than had been bet on 30 NFL teams, with only the Kansas City Chiefs and Detroit Lions, who played Thursday, garnering more support from bettors.
Ethan Useloff, a trader for PointsBet/Fanatics, said entering the season, there had been more bets on Colorado, a 100-1 long shot, to win the national championship than powerhouses such as Ohio State and Georgia.
"They are being backed as if they were one of the favorites to win it all," Useloff told ESPN.
https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/38353136/deion-colorado-buffaloes-attracting-more-bets-nfl-games
I do not gamble, but if I did, that bet was easy money. Nebraska sucks.
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Bucky does not have the personnel for this offense they want to run.
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Bucky does not have the personnel for this offense they want to run.
And defense. It’s going to take awhile.
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App State close ,but no cigar ,once again against the Tar Heels
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Badgers don't have enough talent .
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Mordecai nice across the body TD throw
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Congrats to Georgia St.
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That was no question a WSU safety. Terrible call.
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Did the ESPN analyst just say Washington State is "sending a message tonight" or am I hearing things?
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Badgers problem is the prior regime did not embrace NIL. So they don't have the talent needed to compete.
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Badgers problem is the prior regime did not embrace NIL. So they don't have the talent needed to compete.
Won't their difficult schedule allow them to overcome this loss?
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Sorry for your loss Herman.
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Time to give Michigan State athletics the SMU treatment
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Adios Mel Tucker. Wee hardly new ya, aina?
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Tuck comin
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Going to check Jim Leonhard in the ol’ Twitter search thingy
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Going to check Jim Leonhard in the ol’ Twitter search thingy
Lol his new team is too busy losing to Kansas.
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Lol his new team is too busy losing to Kansas.
Leipold is a good coach.
We need Wisconsin to win. It helps Marquette’s cause
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Jeez. Mel found a way to screw up that awful contract that MSU gave him.
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We need Wisconsin to win. It helps Marquette’s cause
What cause is that and how?
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/10/michigan-state-football-coach-sexual-harassment-claim/70679703007/
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What cause is that and how?
It helps with recruiting
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Jeez. Mel found a way to screw up that awful contract that MSU gave him.
I’m holding judgement until Tom Izzo comments.
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He won't last the week.
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Washington State to the Big 48; Madison to the Pac-2.
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He won't last the week.
And he shouldn’t. Consensual phone sex? With a rape victim activist he called on under the guise of talking to his team. What a sick and stupid bastard. He richly deserves everything that’s coming.
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Lol his new team is too busy losing to Kansas.
There’s no shame in that anymore with Leipold at KU.
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I do not gamble, but if I did, that bet was easy money. Nebraska sucks.
I couldn't understand that line. A couple days ago, I called a buddy of mine who bets often (and often bets a lot), and told me he put a ton on Coach Prime's team. He just sent me a text reading only: EZ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!
As for Deion's team, so far it's one of the best sports stories of 2023.
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I’m holding judgement until Tom Izzo comments.
Lol. He probably doesn't know who Tucker is.
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It helps with recruiting
You'll have to explain how Bucky Football's team having a winning record helps Shaka at Marquette recruit top 100 basketball players.
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You'll have to explain how Bucky Football's team having a winning record helps Shaka at Marquette recruit top 100 basketball players.
It’s good publicity
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/10/michigan-state-football-coach-sexual-harassment-claim/70679703007/
Read the whole story. She wanted a “Sugar Daddy” . Mel was too dumb to realize this was “Pay for Play”
MSU will now be able to get out of their bad deal with Tucker .
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You'll have to explain how Bucky Football's team having a winning record helps Shaka at Marquette recruit top 100 basketball players.
Hook. Line. Sinker.
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Read the whole story. She wanted a “Sugar Daddy” . Mel was too dumb to realize this was “Pay for Play”
MSU will now be able to get out of their bad deal with Tucker .
That’s not it at all, good lord
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MSU has become so bad I almost feel bad for their fans. But they have a voice in this and should demand competent leadership. Not even great or good leadership, just competent.
As for Izzo, that guy is a dumb jock in every sense of the cliche'. That is fine for a basketball coach, but they need to keep him quiet.
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Read the whole story. She wanted a “Sugar Daddy” . Mel was too dumb to realize this was “Pay for Play”
WOOF
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It’s good publicity
So your saying that the Wiscondin badger football team winning football games help Marquette recruit basketball players?
Whatever your smoking, give me some.
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So your saying that the Wiscondin badger football team winning football games help Marquette recruit basketball players?
Whatever your smoking, give me some.
Am I the only one that’s assuming teal here?
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Yeah, should probably just assume sarcasm from Rico.
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Solid win for The Bearcats over The Panthers in the post Fickell era
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Yeah, should probably just assume sarcasm from Rico.
Especially when it mimics Herman’s posts.
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Am I the only one that’s assuming teal here?
Nope. As I wrote earlier-
Hook. Line. Sinker.
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Mich State presser at 5pm today. Perfect time to fire Tucker during the NFL late window.
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Mich State presser at 5pm today. Perfect time to fire Tucker during the NFL late window.
Good news.
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Tucker isn’t even being fired for the actual sexual act. That was completely reprehensible, but he STILL had an out to get past it all. He’s being fired cause he’s threw a fit and then acted like a bully when he was rejected. What a clown
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Tucker officially fired.
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AMF
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More heads should roll too. MSU has been aware of these allegations and Tucker’s admission for MONTHS.
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Conflicting report from Detroit Free Press saying he’s suspended with pay until the outcome of the investigation.
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More heads should roll too. MSU has been aware of these allegations and Tucker’s admission for MONTHS.
Right, but they trying to get out of the contract, so letting the Title IX investigation play out until the final hearing in October makes sense.
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Right, but they trying to get out of the contract, so letting the Title IX investigation play out until the final hearing in October makes sense.
Makes sense. I didn’t think of that aspect.
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The fact that they scheduled the hearing during a bye week leads me to believe they were always going to let him go after the investigation. (He doesn't have to be guilty of harassment to be fired for cause apparently.) But doing it before the facts are officially presented could be problematic when it comes to firing him for cause.
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The fact that they scheduled the hearing during a bye week leads me to believe they were always going to let him go after the investigation. (He doesn't have to be guilty of harassment to be fired for cause apparently.) But doing it before the facts are officially presented could be problematic when it comes to firing him for cause.
He’s a Barry Alvarez player. Probably learned from the master, so to speak
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Badgers fans clearly not abiding by First Corinthians 13 4-8a
https://wisportsheroics.com/wisconsin-badgers-fans-jim-leonhard-news-notes/
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This probably explains the bizarre, rambling preseason interviews from Tucker. This was looming.
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https://twitter.com/DanMurphyESPN/status/1701032835048526172?s=20
Apparently the administration knew there was an investigation against Tucker, but did not know the details until last night. This is actually appropriate.
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https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2023/09/10/michigan-state-football-mark-dantonio-trying-to-figure-out-his-role/70819413007/
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https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2023/09/10/michigan-state-football-mark-dantonio-trying-to-figure-out-his-role/70819413007/
Only MSU could actually take a step backward ethically during another black eye situation. I'm waiting for them to bring back Larry Nassar as team trainer.
I guess I'm stating the obvious to everyone, but MSU has very serious leadership issues. MSU fan boards are calling for the entire BoT to be replaced.
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Only MSU could actually take a step backward ethically during another black eye situation. I'm waiting for them to bring back Larry Nassar as team trainer.
I guess I'm stating the obvious to everyone, but MSU has very serious leadership issues. MSU fan boards are calling for the entire BoT to be replaced.
Tom Izzo will be very angry about tik tok
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Only MSU could actually take a step backward ethically during another black eye situation. I'm waiting for them to bring back Larry Nassar as team trainer.
I guess I'm stating the obvious to everyone, but MSU has very serious leadership issues. MSU fan boards are calling for the entire BoT to be replaced.
From what is publicly available, I think MSU has handled this situation as well as they could have. My only nits are the length of the investigation and this most recent suspension without pay. Title IX Investigations often take 10 months like this one will, but with such a high profile case, I would have made sure that the investigation moved along at a quicker pace. But even that has its risks because if he is fired and then shows that they deviated from their normal process because of who he is, that could make them vulnerable.
Then with this most recent suspension, I think they are actually on shaky legal ground. TIX is still using the Trump-era regs and they have high requirements for suspending someone prior to finding them responsible and I don't think they've been met in this case. It feels like a move done for optics now that the story has become public. My guess is they will use some non-TIX rule violation to try and justify the decision. For example, he reportedly got caught in several lies to the investigator. That could give them a back door justification for suspending him now.
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Yeah, I was actually really surprised the suspension was without pay. It doesn't seem like it would cost all that much to pay him for a few weeks just to make sure legally everything is being done correctly.
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From what is publicly available, I think MSU has handled this situation as well as they could have. My only nits are the length of the investigation and this most recent suspension without pay. Title IX Investigations often take 10 months like this one will, but with such a high profile case, I would have made sure that the investigation moved along at a quicker pace. But even that has its risks because if he is fired and then shows that they deviated from their normal process because of who he is, that could make them vulnerable.
Then with this most recent suspension, I think they are actually on shaky legal ground. TIX is still using the Trump-era regs and they have high requirements for suspending someone prior to finding them responsible and I don't think they've been met in this case. It feels like a move done for optics now that the story has become public. My guess is they will use some non-TIX rule violation to try and justify the decision. For example, he reportedly got caught in several lies to the investigator. That could give them a back door justification for suspending him now.
Good information. I don't know much about TIX but we have a family friend who works in that field and litigated against Baylor a few years ago that I will see in 2 weeks. I'm sure she'll have some good info, assuming she has not been brought into this case. (She said she would never send her daughter to Baylor after seeing all the facts, that she could not share)
That aside, I was pointing out that they brought back Dantonio. That guy turned a blind eye to assaults by his own players. Not the face of ethical behavior needed in this situation. I understand he resigned under pressure of the investigations into his own behavior.
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Mel Tucker releases his side of the story. This is not getting better.
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Mel Tucker releases his side of the story. This is not getting better.
Tuckers statement .
https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1701333915108003931/photo/2
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Pitt versus West Virginia Backyard Brawl should be a fun game again.
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2023/09/15/pitt-panthers-west-virginia-mountaineers-neal-brown-pat-narduzzi/stories/202309160012
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Is Georgia Southern D-1?
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Is Georgia Southern D-1?
Georgia Southern doesn't suck. They're another Sun Belt program in a rich recruiting area that does well following in behind the Power 5 schools. That's been a good modus operandi for Coastal Carolina, ODU, App State, AR State, etc. Clay Helton is a good coach.
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Is Georgia Southern D-1?
Solid win for The Badgers . Georgia Southern beat Nebraska last year in Lincoln, so game wasn’t a given.
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Huge game for Brian Ferentz today vs. a Western Michigan team that gave up 48 to Syracuse last week. Iowa is only averaging 22 ppg so far, and with conference play coming up next week, he's got to build up some cushion today. Betting advice is to pound the over (43). I contend this is the most fun storyline in CFB right now.
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BC given The Noles a tough fight . Game at Chestnut Hill crowd going nuts at The Red Bandana game honoring 9/11 hero Wells Crowther
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Mizzou kicker kicks a walkoff 61 yarder to beat KState. The ref under the left (as you look at it) upright clear as day throws a yellow…apparently tshirt? Lol. Right at the snap. But the fans rushed the field immediately and the refs met in the corner and just left. So the TV said it was a “yellow tshirt.”
Hmm.
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Washington up 35-0 on the road against MSU. With travel roster limits they cant bring in all the scrubs . So may be a big final score.
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Washington up 35-0 on the road against MSU. With travel roster limits they cant bring in all the scrubs . So may be a big final score.
interesting nuance. Think that rule would rule go away with all the cross-country conference realignment shenanigans?
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It really is amazing how hyped up people are to watch Colorado football. Twitter is screaming about the UF/Tennessee game running late.
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That pick 6 didn't suck.
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That pick 6 didn't suck.
Rams response was great too.
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Whoa. This just got more interesting.
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As a Huskers fan, I loathe Colorado. As a college football and Prime fan, I’m about to tune in.
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So players get ejected for what is clearly not intentional contact to the head where a ball carrier lowers his head to the same level a defender is coming in, but a safety can come flying in with no intention of playing the ball and take a cheap, dirty shot after the ball has landed and stay on the field?
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This could get seriously ugly.
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This game is wild.
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Wild
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There’s already been 10 accepted penalties for 108 yards, still 3 minutes left in Q1.
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This game is absolutely off the rails. But what an incredible drive by CU to tie it up. Sanders was just nails. 98 yards under 2 min…plus a couple penalties. So more like 110 yards
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Colorado is going to get smoked in Eugene next Saturday, but that was a wild win. 16-176 (!) certainly helped.
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Huge game for Brian Ferentz today vs. a Western Michigan team that gave up 48 to Syracuse last week. Iowa is only averaging 22 ppg so far, and with conference play coming up next week, he's got to build up some cushion today. Betting advice is to pound the over (43). I contend this is the most fun storyline in CFB right now.
Pretty good advice.
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Solid win for The Badgers . Georgia Southern beat Nebraska last year in Lincoln, so game wasn’t a given.
Lolololol
Nebraska is a trash program. Aren’t relevant
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Colorado is going to get smoked in Eugene next Saturday, but that was a wild win. 16-176 (!) certainly helped.
Ya...and their top receiver is out for a bit.
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Ya...and their top receiver is out for a bit.
Head injuries were created by the woke mob
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Colorado is going to get smoked in Eugene next Saturday, but that was a wild win. 16-176 (!) certainly helped.
Which some people will use to crow about the Deion train being derailed, but a fringe top 25 team (without their best player) getting smacked on the road to a viable top 10 team isn’t noteworthy at all. Haters have already eaten plenty of crow, rest of the seasons is house money IMO.
Ya...and their top receiver is out for a bit.
More like their top DB, which is more impactful. They got TORCHED in the second half without him. They have other talented WRs who can help fill the gap.
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Head injuries were created by the woke mob
Woke mob hates sports - keeping score hurts feelings.
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Woke mob hates sports - keeping score hurts feelings.
Make scoop better if that were the case
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Head injuries were created by the woke mob
That might be funny if it were a head injury that knocked out Hunter
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That might be funny if it were a head injury that knocked out Hunter
Feelings don’t care about facts
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Why are Iowa and UCLA in the top 25? It is fair to say that 80 college teams would be undefeated against the teams both schools have played. (Michigan too but they started high based upon last year)
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Why are Iowa and UCLA in the top 25? It is fair to say that 80 college teams would be undefeated against the teams both schools have played. (Michigan too but they started high based upon last year)
Eh. It will sort itself out.
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Haters have already eaten plenty of crow, rest of the seasons is house money IMO.
Generally agree with this ... but in our what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world, the excitement obviously would die down considerably if they finish something like 2-7 or 3-6, which is certainly possible with the schedule ahead. Finishing with 8 or 9 wins would be an amazing accomplishment.
So far, Team Prime is by far the story of the season in college football and one of the great stories in all of sports this year. Incredible program rebuild done with panache, and a fun team that has talked the talk and walked the walk.
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It really is amazing how hyped up people are to watch Colorado football. Twitter is screaming about the UF/Tennessee game running late.
I grew up in Colorado and am intrigued. Fanatics just opened a new sportsbook in Ohio and their new account promotions involve credits for merch at the fanatics site. I very briefly toyed with the idea of getting some Colorado merch -- I grew up there, after all -- and then quickly came to my senses. I've never been a Buffs fan and I'm not going to pretend to be one now...even if I am interested to see how they are doing and did watch the first half of the game Saturday.
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Generally agree with this ... but in our what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world, the excitement obviously would die down considerably if they finish something like 2-7 or 3-6, which is certainly possible with the schedule ahead. Finishing with 8 or 9 wins would be an amazing accomplishment.
So far, Team Prime is by far the story of the season in college football and one of the great stories in all of sports this year. Incredible program rebuild done with panache, and a fun team that has talked the talk and walked the walk.
Yea I don’t disagree. I think the buzz falls off, but my point is more at this point, if people go out of their way to hate on CU and Deion, it’s haters who have been praying for his downfall since he took the job and started his PR machine.
-Tripled last years win total. Barring a total collapse, they likely win 6 games for only the second time in 15 years in Boulder.
-Shadeur for labeled a nepo baby and not P5 level and people clutched their pearls when he was named the starter right away over a couple terrible incumbent QBs and he has exceeded anyone’s expectations by a mile.
-won in a variety of ways and in both the TCU and CSU games showed tremendous resiliency and fight, which is usually directly a result of coaching.
The definition of a “successful” season certainly changes when you start 3-0 and are top 20. But if you’re building a program, they’ve literally done everything they needed and more in Year 1 for recruiting and roster appeal for the next few years
I very briefly toyed with the idea of getting some Colorado merch -- I grew up there, after all -- and then quickly came to my senses.
I’ve long said I think in terms of neutral appeal, CU is top 5, if not top 3 in apparel for major colleges. The black and gold and the unique mascot/logo is a perfect blend. Their bookstore/apparel stores have so much cool stuff
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Ya'll are going to hate me for this but Coach Prime is the Al McGuire of today's college football. He's brash to the point of being obnoxious. He is about as arrogant as anyone can be and he does things in very unconventional ways.
Coach Prime has his haters. Many are the college football establishment who are generally fearful of what's he's accomplished to date and what he might accomplish. Go back a generation or so and look at Al. A little over three years after he joins Marquette, he takes a small Midwestern university and starts competing for national championships. Al did it by being brash and by challenging many in the status quo who didn't like the idea of African-American athletes playing in major D1 sports.
Above all, Coach Prime is a promoter. So was Al!
Coach Prime brings back fond memories!!!
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dgies
Al always wanted to be the enemy and take the eyes off of his players, Prime has similar style. If anyone does not like his team it is because they hate Prime.
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I feel like the haters narrative is a little over blown. I’ve seen most of the coverage being largely positive, at least recently. I know there were some questioning all the transfers and his son being a starter, but not really anymore. Most of the negative publicity is people saying pump the brakes on them being a National Title contender.
I think Deion is Jordan level at finding ways to put a chip on his team’s shoulder.
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:-X
I feel like the haters narrative is a little over blown. I’ve seen most of the coverage being largely positive, at least recently. I know there were some questioning all the transfers and his son being a starter, but not really anymore. Most of the negative publicity is people saying pump the brakes on them being a National Title contender.
I think Deion is Jordan level at finding ways to put a chip on his team’s shoulder.
Ya'll are going to hate me for this but Coach Prime is the Al McGuire of today's college football. He's brash to the point of being obnoxious. He is about as arrogant as anyone can be and he does things in very unconventional ways.
Coach Prime has his haters. Many are the college football establishment who are generally fearful of what's he's accomplished to date and what he might accomplish. Go back a generation or so and look at Al. A little over three years after he joins Marquette, he takes a small Midwestern university and starts competing for national championships. Al did it by being brash and by challenging many in the status quo who didn't like the idea of African-American athletes playing in major D1 sports.
Above all, Coach Prime is a promoter. So was Al!
Coach Prime brings back fond memories!!!
It’s an interesting situation developing with him and Colorado. I think the push back against him and his team has as much to do with the fawning and excessive coverage which creates a lot of jealousy.
He’s always been polarizing because of his success and outright confidence. Speaking his mind alienates people who prefer the staid coaching and athlete archetypes who are vanilla in how they interact with the public and media at large. Couple that with instant success at a moribund program while traditional winners are stuck in neutral or chasing ghosts and it’s easy to see the jealousy.
The buildup will lead to a lot of enjoyment in the losses to come but my hunch is, those enjoyments in his losses will be a lot fewer than people want
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I’ve long said I think in terms of neutral appeal, CU is top 5, if not top 3 in apparel for major colleges. The black and gold and the unique mascot/logo is a perfect blend. Their bookstore/apparel stores have so much cool stuff
I don't disagree. And my son absolutely agrees. I just felt like since I come from Colorado but never owned a single item, I'd just be a poser (and a bandwagon fan) if I bought something now.
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I don't like college football and I could not stand Deion as a player. But I found myself watching Colorado yet again Saturday night.
It's a compelling story, and his kid freaking slings it. The fact it pisses off a lot of people makes me enjoy it more.
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dgies
Al always wanted to be the enemy and take the eyes off of his players, Prime has similar style. If anyone does not like his team it is because they hate Prime.
Ya'll are going to hate me for this but Coach Prime is the Al McGuire of today's college football. He's brash to the point of being obnoxious. He is about as arrogant as anyone can be and he does things in very unconventional ways.
Coach Prime has his haters. Many are the college football establishment who are generally fearful of what's he's accomplished to date and what he might accomplish. Go back a generation or so and look at Al. A little over three years after he joins Marquette, he takes a small Midwestern university and starts competing for national championships. Al did it by being brash and by challenging many in the status quo who didn't like the idea of African-American athletes playing in major D1 sports.
Above all, Coach Prime is a promoter. So was Al!
Coach Prime brings back fond memories!!!
I agree with this analysis
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Mel Tucker fired with cause. You can’t lose and masterbate on the phone with someone that isn’t your wife.
But if you win, you can bring and protect as many sexual predators to your campus.
Leaders and legends, indeed
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Mel Tucker fired with cause. You can’t lose and masterbate on the phone with someone that isn’t your wife.
But if you win, you can bring and protect as many sexual predators to your campus.
Leaders and legends, indeed
I'm not surprised because once this became public knowledge, they were going to do whatever they could to speed this up, but I hope this doesn't bite them in the butt. They make it clear in their statement that they are not firing him for the alleged TIX violation but unless I missed it, don't actually specify what the cause is. I imagine they have plenty even if the alleged TIX violation isn't considered (the USA Today article reported that Tucker had been caught in several lies during the investigation which is usually enough for cause) but I worry that rushing to fire him a month before his TIX hearing could open them up to litigation by Tucker. I don't think it would be hard to argue that pre-emptively terminating him could unfairly bias the TIX hearing. That doesn't even consider the possibility that the TIX hearing could fail to find him responsible which could cause another set of issues.
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I'm not surprised because once this became public knowledge, they were going to do whatever they could to speed this up, but I hope this doesn't bite them in the butt. They make it clear in their statement that they are not firing him for the alleged TIX violation but unless I missed it, don't actually specify what the cause is. I imagine they have plenty even if the alleged TIX violation isn't considered (the USA Today article reported that Tucker had been caught in several lies during the investigation which is usually enough for cause) but I worry that rushing to fire him a month before his TIX hearing could open them up to litigation by Tucker. I don't think it would be hard to argue that pre-emptively terminating him could unfairly bias the TIX hearing. That doesn't even consider the possibility that the TIX hearing could fail to find him responsible which could cause another set of issues.
https://x.com/nicoleauerbach/status/1703866834192146797?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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I'm not surprised because once this became public knowledge, they were going to do whatever they could to speed this up, but I hope this doesn't bite them in the butt. They make it clear in their statement that they are not firing him for the alleged TIX violation but unless I missed it, don't actually specify what the cause is. I imagine they have plenty even if the alleged TIX violation isn't considered (the USA Today article reported that Tucker had been caught in several lies during the investigation which is usually enough for cause) but I worry that rushing to fire him a month before his TIX hearing could open them up to litigation by Tucker. I don't think it would be hard to argue that pre-emptively terminating him could unfairly bias the TIX hearing. That doesn't even consider the possibility that the TIX hearing could fail to find him responsible which could cause another set of issues.
I'm not worried one bit, and I hope it does come back to bite them in the butt. I hope Tucker is able to bankrupt the entire athletic department. They would be getting what they deserve. A worse athletic department than Penn State's ever was.
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I'm not worried one bit, and I hope it does come back to bite them in the butt. I hope Tucker is able to bankrupt the entire athletic department. They would be getting what they deserve. A worse athletic department than Penn State's ever was.
But then Tucker gets rich because he sexually harassed a woman. I'm no fan of the MSU athletic department but from what's been posted publicly, they've handled this case by the book. I'm not a fan of someone making millions because someone mishandled a case where they harmed someone else.
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But then Tucker gets rich because he sexually harassed a woman. I'm no fan of the MSU athletic department but from what's been posted publicly, they've handled this case by the book. I'm not a fan of someone making millions because someone mishandled a case where they harmed someone else.
Right. If anyone gets rich out of this deal it should be the victims of any sexual harassment at the hands of MSU employees. Not someone who actually did the harassing.
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https://x.com/nicoleauerbach/status/1703866834192146797?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
:-\ That's not the route I would go. That feels like "we're firing you for TIX violation without due process but it's okay because we're calling it something else". I think they'll be okay, but that's more risk than I personally would have felt comfortable with.
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:-\ That's not the route I would go. That feels like "we're firing you for TIX violation without due process but it's okay because we're calling it something else". I think they'll be okay, but that's more risk than I personally would have felt comfortable with.
Actually this is smart. They are keeping it to the known facts and not the harassment investigation. Whether or not it was consensual is no longer an issue.
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Actually this is smart. They are keeping it to the known facts and not the harassment investigation. Whether or not it was consensual is no longer an issue.
I was going to say - is this designed to plan for the possibility that he is not found to have committed a Title IX violation? Assuming they have made the decision that they can't possibly keep him (how could they given their recent history), then this makes some sense in that it feels like less of an uphill battle than walking out of the Title IX hearing that found no violation, and then sending this letter.
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Prospects for new coach at MSU.
https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2023/09/seven-candidates-to-replace-mel-tucker-at-michigan-state.html
PS My guess is Tucker will end up with a generous settlement. MSU needs to make this whole thing go away.
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Prospects for new coach at MSU.
https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2023/09/seven-candidates-to-replace-mel-tucker-at-michigan-state.html
PS My guess is Tucker will end up with a generous settlement. MSU needs to make this whole thing go away.
He won’t get squat.
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Big win for Badgers, unfortunately key running back suffers injury
https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap/_/gameId/401520266
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Big win for Badgers, unfortunately key running back suffers injury
https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap/_/gameId/401520266
Anytime you beat Purdue, it’s a huge win
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Welcome to the real world.
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Tough first half for The Buffs.
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Tough first half for The Buffs.
This should at least slow down the Deon cockiness train...
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Buffs gettin embarrassed.
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Things aren't going particularly well for Colorado.
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Oregon = Not Effen Nebraska.
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Maybe stomping on the home team’s logo before the game to get fired up doesn’t work as well as expected.
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Pac-2 battle of unbeatens between Washington State and Oregon State
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ND defensive backs grab OSU receivers on every single play. And I don’t blame them - the refs refuse to call it.
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ND defensive backs grab OSU receivers on every single play. And I don’t blame them - the refs refuse to call it.
Worked for the Seattle Seahawks.
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What do you call here?
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That worked. :)
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Fun game
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There is no way that winning TD took only 2 seconds.
But the right team won, so whatevs.
Heck of a game. Anytime ND loses it’s a good thing.
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Ryan Day calling out Lou Holtz. 😂😂😂
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Irish picked a bad time to only have 10 defenders on the field.
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Boy that's a damn shame ND lost.
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Not a great day for Brian Ferentz’s quest to keep his job.
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Solid win for The Noles over The Tigers
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Lou Holz shows the world he is still a slobbering idiot…
https://www.southbendtribune.com/story/sports/college/football/2023/09/24/ohio-state-football-coach-ryan-day-notre-dame-lou-holtz-fighting-irish-buckeyes/70952728007/
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Getting this obsessed about something 86 year old Lou Holtz said about your team is something.
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Getting this obsessed about something 86 year old Lou Holtz said about your team is something.
any attempt to find motivation these days. Even top teams like to use "us against the world"
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any attempt to find motivation these days. Even top teams like to use "us against the world"
I guess. The “Ohio against the world” stuff just sounds dumb.
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Getting this obsessed about something 86 year old Lou Holtz said about your team is something.
No kidding. He’s a buffoon but whatever you need to motivate your team I guess
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I guess. The “Ohio against the world” stuff just sounds dumb.
Agreed. I think he's feeling the pressure.
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It is funny how sports networks keep asking Holtz to predict ND games. Has he ever NOT picked ND?
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It is funny how sports networks keep asking Holtz to predict ND games. Has he ever NOT picked ND?
When he was coach
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When he was coach
True. The opponent was always the '85 Bears and ND was always outmanned.
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Some very nice work by the Oregon marketing department.
https://twitter.com/oregonfootball/status/1706497804615757877?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=7788824
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Some very nice work by the Oregon marketing department.
https://twitter.com/oregonfootball/status/1706497804615757877?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=7788824
I love the Buffs and I love Coach Prime/what he is doing there, but this is awesome. And I think when you get past what he’d actually say for PR and team pride/building purposes, Deion loved/appreciates it too. I’m all for additional smack talk, especially in cinematic fashion
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Masterbating Mel officially fired for cause by Michigan State
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If I’m State, I go after Brian Hartline.
Although, I’m not sure if he’d take the job
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If I’m State, I go after Brian Hartline.
Although, I’m not sure if he’d take the job
I think they should put in a call to Jeff Smoker
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If I’m State, I go after Brian Hartline.
Although, I’m not sure if he’d take the job
Mike Elko is going to be a popular man come hiring season but I’d take Hartline over him. Hartline would hurt Ohio State and be a thorn in Michigan’s side with regards to Detroit recruiting, though I think Harbaugh is gone after this year
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I love the Buffs and I love Coach Prime/what he is doing there, but this is awesome. And I think when you get past what he’d actually say for PR and team pride/building purposes, Deion loved/appreciates it too. I’m all for additional smack talk, especially in cinematic fashion
We are in total agreement here. I also have really enjoyed Coach Prime and his Buffs this season.
I loved when Cam Newton did his various antics. It was fun when the Panthers were winning every week. But when you eff up, you can't then be upset when others mock your taunts and trash-talking and gestures. Or maybe you can, but that's stoopid.
It's all entertainment. Deion is one of the best ever at it.
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We are in total agreement here. I also have really enjoyed Coach Prime and his Buffs this season.
I loved when Cam Newton did his various antics. It was fun when the Panthers were winning every week. But when you eff up, you can't then be upset when others mock your taunts and trash-talking and gestures. Or maybe you can, but that's stoopid.
It's all entertainment. Deion is one of the best ever at it.
I also agree. This is all entertainment, sorry, not very different than Keeping Up with the Kardashians. Oregon owes Prime a lot. They got a big stage only because of Prime. Who remembers the CU/Oregon game last year? Anyone?
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3486669/mel-tucker-was-always-a-fraud
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cu player catches the ball and goes.out of bounds with 2 minutes left. why did the clock start?
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Nebraska was losing 45-0 at home to Michigan before they scored. Garbage program. Not relevant
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Duke plays incredible D all night and then gives up 17-year QB scramble on 4th-and-16 to lose to ND. Damn.
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Duke plays incredible D all night and then gives up 17-year QB scramble on 4th-and-16 to lose to ND. Damn.
Going from having notre dame at the brink (4th and 16 at midfield) with a minute left to losing and your QB walking off the field in crutches is brutal.
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Big comeback yesterday for Baylor over UCF
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/baylor-rallies-past-ucf-for-largest-comeback-in-program-history-as-insane-conversion-headlines-wild-finish/amp/
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New evidence comes out in Mel Tucker Gold Digger case
https://www.clickondetroit.com/sports/2023/10/05/mel-tuckers-lawyer-presents-hundreds-of-brenda-tracy-texts-as-new-evidence-he-was-wrongly-fired/
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New evidence comes out in Mel Tucker Gold Digger case
https://www.clickondetroit.com/sports/2023/10/05/mel-tuckers-lawyer-presents-hundreds-of-brenda-tracy-texts-as-new-evidence-he-was-wrongly-fired/
Your characterization of this continues to be gross. The only thing in this article that matters at all is the alleged secret witness that can testify that the phone sex was consensual.
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Your characterization of this continues to be gross. The only thing in this article that matters at all is the alleged secret witness that can testify that the phone sex was consensual.
The real Herman Cain was a serial sexual harasser and this one views women purely as sex objects, so 🤷🏼♂️
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Your characterization of this continues to be gross. The only thing in this article that matters at all is the alleged secret witness that can testify that the phone sex was consensual.
Is Herman actually Clay Travis?
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Your characterization of this continues to be gross. The only thing in this article that matters at all is the alleged secret witness that can testify that the phone sex was consensual.
Our poster, Hermain Cain/mufny/tex/whatever else, stated that he intentionally gets women drunk in an effort to have unprotected sex with them.
So..par for the course?
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Is Herman actually Clay Travis?
No, but I'm sure he had a story about that time he met Clay Travis.
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Cornhuskers got a much needed win against Illini for their program rebuild.
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Cornhuskers got a much needed win against Illini for their program rebuild.
Garbage program plays garbage team in garbage game
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That Dr. Pepper commercial about fans losing their minds and making outlandish statements after the first play of the game rings true.
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ND about to go down again. Playoff chances next to nil.
Freeman made a panicky decision to go for it on 4th-and-11 from his own 30 with ND down 11 and nearly 10 mins to go.
They were VERY lucky to beat Duke last week, or it would be 3 straight Ls.
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ND getting kicked to the curb.
The #10 team in the nation.
That is all…….
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The announcers…..
“ND has played two ranked teams in a row. That has drained their bandwidth.”
REALLY!!!!
ND SUCKS
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Solid win for The Badgers today versus Rutgers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWQglKd4YwU
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Holy Joe Pisarcik!
Miami loses because the coach calls a running play instead of taking a knee. RB fumbles and Georgia Tech goes about 75 yards in 20 seconds to win.
Wow. What a dope.
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Holy Joe Pisarcik!
Miami loses because the coach calls a running play instead of taking a knee. RB fumbles and Georgia Tech goes about 75 yards in 20 seconds to win.
Wow. What a dope.
Nothing new from Mario Cristobal. Great recruiter, terrible coach.
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Just take a knee and mark down the W! Even dumber than ND having only 10 men on the field for TWO straight plays to lose to Ohio State? I'd say yes.
Meanwhile ...
USC barely escapes at home against Arizona, with Williams completing only 12 passes all night (though he still makes plays, mostly with his feet). Terrible clock management at the end of regulation almost doomed USC.
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Lincoln Riley needs to cut bait on his defensive coordinator, who he initially hired at Oklahoma.
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Just saw this on The Athletic:
“We should’ve taken a knee." - Mario Cristobal
No shyte, Sherlock!
Also, he lost a game the exact same way when he was at Oregon. What a dope.
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Just saw this on The Athletic:
“We should’ve taken a knee." - Mario Cristobal
No shyte, Sherlock!
Also, he lost a game the exact same way when he was at Oregon. What a dope.
Not the exact same way. Oregon had a three point lead, but could not have run out the clock and would have had to punt. He ran on 2nd and 2 - so two yards from victory and two plays to get it. If they knelt, they would have had to punt with about 15 seconds to go.
IMO that's at least defensible. Still probably not the right decision.
But yesterday was absolutely the wrong decision. No question.
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ND about to go down again. Playoff chances next to nil.
Freeman made a panicky decision to go for it on 4th-and-11 from his own 30 with ND down 11 and nearly 10 mins to go.
They were VERY lucky to beat Duke last week, or it would be 3 straight Ls.
Not that it matters but ND's playoff chances were nil after the Ohio State game. They were playing the season out for a New Years six bowl.
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Not that it matters but ND's playoff chances were nil after the Ohio State game. They were playing the season out for a New Years six bowl.
The Marcus Freeman experiment has not gone well.
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The Marcus Freeman experiment has not gone well.
I tend to agree but sometimes it takes times to come together for a first time HC. Kelly didn't set the world on fire to start, although he never won a NC either.
Based upon ND's track record, Freeman will get 5-6 years. It looks like ND haters will get a few years of enjoyment.
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I tend to agree but sometimes it takes times to come together for a first time HC. Kelly didn't set the world on fire to start, although he never won a NC either.
Based upon ND's track record, Freeman will get 5-6 years. It looks like ND haters will get a few years of enjoyment.
Brian Kelly replaced Charlie Weis and was in the championship game by year 3. Freeman took over a team that went 11-1 in its last season under Kelly. Unless there is a level of improvement, he won't be getting 5-6 years.
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Solid win for The Badgers today versus Rutgers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWQglKd4YwU
11 point home win over a garbage program isn’t solid. But it helps Marquette’s cause
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I tend to agree but sometimes it takes times to come together for a first time HC. Kelly didn't set the world on fire to start, although he never won a NC either.
Based upon ND's track record, Freeman will get 5-6 years. It looks like ND haters will get a few years of enjoyment.
Notre Dame’s days of winning national championships is over
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Brian Kelly replaced Charlie Weis and was in the championship game by year 3. Freeman took over a team that went 11-1 in its last season under Kelly. Unless there is a level of improvement, he won't be getting 5-6 years.
I 100% agree Freeman is not doing a good job. I was only pointing out the ND has a long history, even a point of pride, of giving bad coaches a very long runway.
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Not the exact same way. Oregon had a three point lead, but could not have run out the clock and would have had to punt. He ran on 2nd and 2 - so two yards from victory and two plays to get it. If they knelt, they would have had to punt with about 15 seconds to go.
IMO that's at least defensible. Still probably not the right decision.
But yesterday was absolutely the wrong decision. No question.
Thanks for the correction. Totally agree with your conclusion.
Not that it matters but ND's playoff chances were nil after the Ohio State game. They were playing the season out for a New Years six bowl.
Disagree. Win every other game and it's quite possible a 1-loss ND team (whose only loss was a nailbiter to OSU) would have had a shot at the playoff. But yes, it no longer matters.
The Marcus Freeman experiment has not gone well.
Agree, but after his 0-2 start (which included a home loss to Marshall), he did go 13-2 over his next 15 games before losing to Ohio State. So it hasn't been totally horrific - but that's a pretty low bar.
And some of the ways they have lost their two games this season, and almost lost Duke, combined with the fact that ND is always supposed to be great (at least in their own mind), and it definitely hasn't gone well.
It will be interesting to see how much time ND's boosters give him.
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I 100% agree Freeman is not doing a good job. I was only pointing out the ND has a long history, even a point of pride, of giving bad coaches a very long runway.
Like who? Willingham was over his head and got canned after 3 years. Davie had a bad year but then followed it up with a nice year and finished in the top 10, had another bad year and was canned. I mean, Gerry Faust I guess? Maybe Weis got a year longer than he should have. I guess I don’t see the history of coddling bad coaches with pride
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Like who? Willingham was over his head and got canned after 3 years. Davie had a bad year but then followed it up with a nice year and finished in the top 10, had another bad year and was canned. I mean, Gerry Faust I guess? Maybe Weis got a year longer than he should have. I guess I don’t see the history of coddling bad coaches with pride
Bob Davie and Faust each got five years, which was probably two more than each deserved.
After three seasons Davie was 21-16 with no major bowl appearances and a peak ranking of 22nd.
Faust after three years was 18-15-1 with no major bowls and no ranking.
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ND NIL approach similar to MU.
https://notredame.rivals.com/news/notebook-cornette-doubles-down-on-notre-dame-s-divergent-nil-approach
I think for Football they will need to their Alumni Community come up with more coin.
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Bob Davie and Faust each got five years, which was probably two more than each deserved.
After three seasons Davie was 21-16 with no major bowl appearances and a peak ranking of 22nd.
Faust after three years was 18-15-1 with no major bowls and no ranking.
The problem is that Davie had 9-3 seasons in year two and four so maybe they should have dropped him after three?
Faust was 40 years ago.
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ND NIL approach similar to MU.
https://notredame.rivals.com/news/notebook-cornette-doubles-down-on-notre-dame-s-divergent-nil-approach
I think for Football they will need to their Alumni Community come up with more coin.
Notre Dame sucks but not as bad as Nebraska sucks
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The problem is that Davie had 9-3 seasons in year two and four so maybe they should have dropped him after three?
Faust was 40 years ago.
They should have dropped him aftet year three. That 9-3 season featured one win over a ranked opponent- and that was week one - which was immediately followed by a 22-point loss to unranked Michigan State.
They ended the regular season with a shutout loss to an unranked USC team followed by a loss a loss to Georgia Tech in the Gator Bowl and a 22 ranking in the polls.
Bring him back aftet that, sure. But the next season they open ranked 16th then lose three of their first four and then they're last four to finish 5-7.
That's when you let him go.
Faust was 40 years ago, so they didn't give him too long?
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They should have dropped him aftet year three. That 9-3 season featured one win over a ranked opponent- and that was week one - which was immediately followed by a 22-point loss to unranked Michigan State.
They ended the regular season with a shutout loss to an unranked USC team followed by a loss a loss to Georgia Tech in the Gator Bowl and a 22 ranking in the polls.
Bring him back aftet that, sure. But the next season they open ranked 16th then lose three of their first four and then they're last four to finish 5-7.
That's when you let him go.
Faust was 40 years ago, so they didn't give him too long?
Your make a good argument about Davie.
Using Faust as an example of keeping a coach around isn’t really relevant because it was a completely different era.
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Your make a good argument about Davie.
Using Faust as an example of keeping a coach around isn’t really relevant because it was a completely different era.
Totally agree that was an era when coaches didn't get the quick hook. But Faust earned one.
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Brian Kelly replaced Charlie Weis and was in the championship game by year 3. Freeman took over a team that went 11-1 in its last season under Kelly. Unless there is a level of improvement, he won't be getting 5-6 years.
One coach in the last 60 years has lasted less than 5 years at Notre Dame. Not exactly a history of giving a quick hook.
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One coach in the last 60 years has lasted less than 5 years at Notre Dame. Not exactly a history of giving a quick hook.
Yep. The Black guy.
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Unless you count George O'Leary.
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Yep. The Black guy.
He should have been fired.
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One coach in the last 60 years has lasted less than 5 years at Notre Dame. Not exactly a history of giving a quick hook.
Hell, Brian Kelly killed a guy and didn’t get fired.
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I’ve been a fan of Cristobal’s since his FIU days but my god this is ridiculous. No idea what dude is trying to prove/accomplish
https://x.com/danwolken/status/1710991816139350515?s=46
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Yep. The Black guy.
To be fair, Willingham was a bad coach who “earned” his pink slip. Freeman is ND’s second African American head coach - how many top programs have done likewise?
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To be fair, Willingham was a bad coach who “earned” his pink slip. Freeman is ND’s second African American head coach - how many top programs have done likewise?
Agree. And I agree with Unk that Willingham deserved to be fired after going 6-5 in his third season.
And yet it's curious that Weis and Davie each was given a fourth season after disastrous third seasons (3-9 for the dirtbag Weis, 5-7 for the incompetent Davie), and that Faust was given a very, very long leash despite never having a single good season.
To be fair ... is that "fair"?
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Agree. And I agree with Unk that Willingham deserved to be fired after going 6-5 in his third season.
And yet it's curious that Weis and Davie each was given a fourth season after disastrous third seasons (3-9 for the dirtbag Weis, 5-7 for the incompetent Davie), and that Faust was given a very, very long leash despite never having a single good season.
To be fair ... is that "fair"?
The issue with Weis was the contract and the belief the recruiting was too good and the talent would win out.
Davie wasn’t up to the task but that was still an age where Notre Dame firing a coach too soon wasn’t going to happen. If Freeman puts up Davie trajectory, he won’t make 5 years
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Agree. And I agree with Unk that Willingham deserved to be fired after going 6-5 in his third season.
And yet it's curious that Weis and Davie each was given a fourth season after disastrous third seasons (3-9 for the dirtbag Weis, 5-7 for the incompetent Davie), and that Faust was given a very, very long leash despite never having a single good season.
To be fair ... is that "fair"?
To be fair…neither Davie or Weis fell off IMMEDIATELY in their second season like Willingham.
Weis’ horrible 3rd season happened after back to back seasons where they spent most of the year in the top 10. That makes sense to get benefit of the doubt for a 4th season after a bad 3rd one.
Davie is closer and probably shouldn’t have gotten a 4th year, as Pakuni laid out, but he was still clearly better in year 2 than Willingham was. Sputtered into the close but still went 9-1.
Faust, well who knows.
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I agree that there are explanations beyond race, and y'all are making them. And all of them are reasonable.
Perhaps the color of each person's skin will go down as just a coincidence. Perhaps.
Now that Wags mentioned it, I do remember the Weis buyout thing. They let themselves be conned into thinking he was ready to leap to the NFL and that he was the only coach who could possibly win at ND. Not quite Mel Tucker bad, but pretty bad.
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Now that Wags mentioned it, I do remember the Weis buyout thing. They let themselves be conned into thinking he was ready to leap to the NFL and that he was the only coach who could possibly win at ND. Not quite Mel Tucker bad, but pretty bad.
"Decided schematic advantage"
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None of FSU, Louisville, and UNC play each other this year? So you could be undefeated through the regular season and not even make your conference's championship game? Haha conference expansion is a joke.
I guess the tiebreaker to determine who would go to the championship game is the combined record of their ACC opponents, and if that is tied they literally pick out of a hat.
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It always comes up when talking about MU restarting football, but further evidence in the massive gap for FCS to FBS, much less non scholarship FCS like Butler/GTown or limited like Patriot League (at least used to be)
Sam Houston St was a FCS power. 3 semis, 2 quarterfinals, and a FCS championship in the last 8 seasons before transitioning. First full FBS, they are 0-6 and have yet to score more than 17 points in regulation.
They could figure it out like App St or Georgia St, or they could be like Texas St or ODU and struggle.
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It always comes up when talking about MU restarting football, but further evidence in the massive gap for FCS to FBS, much less non scholarship FCS like Butler/GTown or limited like Patriot League (at least used to be)
Sam Houston St was a FCS power. 3 semis, 2 quarterfinals, and a FCS championship in the last 8 seasons before transitioning. First full FBS, they are 0-6 and have yet to score more than 17 points in regulation.
They could figure it out like App St or Georgia St, or they could be like Texas St or ODU and struggle.
MU would need an SMU or TCU alumni base to consider football. Could there be a massive oil reserve below southeastern Wisconsin?
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Who is Marquette’s T Boone Pickens?
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Who is Marquette’s T Boone Pickens?
Our T Boone would own two gas stations. ;D
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38644770/how-long-colorado-shedeur-sanders-take-sacks
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Stanford/Colorado has been utterly ridiculous Pac 12 after dark.
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Stanford/Colorado has been utterly ridiculous Pac 12 after dark.
Dion is probably happy it was a 10:00 ET kickoff now.
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Dion is probably happy it was a 10:00 ET kickoff now.
Did he play Runaround Sue?
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Stanford/Colorado has been utterly ridiculous Pac 12 after dark.
But that catch doe
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As big of a CU/Prime proponent as I am, that’s just an inexplicably horrible loss. The sequence where Stanford scored 19 unanswered in the 3rd looked like defense in NCAA 14 where someone got up to go to the bathroom. They may have one of the best defensive players in the country in Hunter, but the rest of the defense is absolutely atrocious.
Also, Shadeur has been poised and deadly under pressure all season…but that final INT was ridiculous. What the hell are you even thinking there?
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i had money on CU giving 12.5 on fanduel...at halftime when it was 29-0, fanduel was offering me 95% of my bet to cash out!!
obviously should have taken it. my concern was the total didn't go over 58.5...wtf???
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i had money on CU giving 12.5 on fanduel...at halftime when it was 29-0, fanduel was offering me 95% of my bet to cash out!!
obviously should have taken it. my concern was the total didn't go over 58.5...wtf???
Gambling is a sin. Read a Bible
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Gambling is a sin. Read a Bible
So is rejecting and mocking God.
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So is rejecting and mocking God.
I’m good. I go to confession once a decade
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Gambling is a sin. Read a Bible
Gambling is haram. He’s consistent on standing against Hamas. Gotta respect it
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Gambling is haram. He’s consistent on standing against Hamas. Gotta respect it
👏
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going to the Huskies vs Ducks game today, should be a good one...
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I’m good. I go to confession once a decade
Even that is too much. Only time you really have to is on your death bed!
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Even that is too much. Only time you really have to is on your death bed!
I’m an overachiever
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Zero reason for anyone to worry about FSU as a legit title/playoff contender. Their offense disappears for at least 25% of the game every game and their play calling is baffling.
I get Cuse is doing nothing on offense, but letting bad teams stick around when you have only a 2 score lead is moronic. A TE draw from the shotgun on 4th and 2 when you’re in FG range is malpractice
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Zero reason for anyone to worry about FSU as a legit title/playoff contender. Their offense disappears for at least 25% of the game every game and their play calling is baffling.
I get Cuse is doing nothing on offense, but letting bad teams stick around when you have only a 2 score lead is moronic. A TE draw from the shotgun on 4th and 2 when you’re in FG range is malpractice
I disagree. I think they will run the table in the ACC, therefore they are in the playoffs.
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Sparty counts on Houser to lead them to victory. Disappointed again.
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Sparty counts on Houser to lead them to victory. Disappointed again.
Heckuva player, aina?
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those last two tackles by Washington were video game tackles
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Nova picks up a solid win today over Elon
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Nova picks up a solid win today over Elon
This is the news I came here for.
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Badgers in a low scoring battle with Hawkeyes at Camp Randall
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Badgers in a low scoring battle with Hawkeyes at Camp Randall
:)
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I may turn off the ND / USC game just because of Jac Collinsworth. Decent sideline guy, but terrible at pbp.
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Iowa's QB TOTALS over the last 3 games. 23/62 for 262 yards. 3 Wins
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I may turn off the ND / USC game just because of Jac Collinsworth. Decent sideline guy, but terrible at pbp.
I listened for two minutes and turned it off. He’s so bad.
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Iowa's QB TOTALS over the last 3 games. 23/62 for 262 yards. 3 Wins
They played 3 chumps.
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They played 3 chumps.
The loss by Wisconsin hurts Marquette’s cause
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Nice TD Pass by Miami
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/38660753
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Iowa's QB TOTALS over the last 3 games. 23/62 for 262 yards. 3 Wins
At one point today I believe they had 6 yards in 3 drives….6 yards TOTAL
ND up 24-6 at halftime. 2 of their 3 TD drives were under 15 yards (2 yards and 12 yards). They aren’t dominating but are converting mistakes. USC can easily make it a game if Williams stops playing like an Irish Catholic mobster in Cicero is holding his family at gunpoint
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Caleb Williams has been mediocre 2 weeks in a row. And USC doesn’t play defense. See ya!
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He throws sidearm off his back foot as a default. Combining Mahomes and Stafford when he doesn't need to. He certainly looks the part, though.
Tough to be a world beater when the rush is always in your face.
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This big win could propel ND all the way to the Beef O’Brady Bowl!
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Like most, I like Caleb a lot, but I’m concerned the empty calories style of Lincoln Riley is getting to him.
It’s interesting flipping back and forth with Maye playing at the same time. I think it’s going to be a lot closer than people think as to who goes first overall. That’s not a jab at Caleb, I think he just takes too many hits, and that’s going to get worse at the next level.
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Lincoln Riley is at a crossroads. He needs to drop his friend and get a real defensive coordinator in there. Otherwise the B10 is gonna kill him.
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Like most, I like Caleb a lot, but I’m concerned the empty calories style of Lincoln Riley is getting to him.
It’s interesting flipping back and forth with Maye playing at the same time. I think it’s going to be a lot closer than people think as to who goes first overall. That’s not a jab at Caleb, I think he just takes too many hits, and that’s going to get worse at the next level.
He’s really good, but I can’t remember an elite top QB prospect (that wasn’t viewed as a project of sorts) who left me saying “what the hell was that” as much as him. He makes some incredible throws and extends plays with his eyes making reads extremely well, but he also has had a surprisingly high number of shocking dumb throws and decisions.
I can’t believe Lincoln Riley is still only 40. As almost as much as I can’t believe Alex Grinch continues to make a career out of making so little out of elite talent at his 3rd blue blood level program
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Lincoln Riley is at a crossroads. He needs to drop his friend and get a real defensive coordinator in there. Otherwise the B10 is gonna kill him.
I think it’s possible he never coaches a game in the Big Ten
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I think it’s possible he never coaches a game in the Big Ten
I'm intrigued. Do tell.
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I'm sure Rico is thinking that Riley may either be fired or might look elsewhere because there are possibly 2-3 more losses on the schedule with Utah, Washington, Oregon and UCLA left to go.
But there is a lot of time and money left on that contract.
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Like most, I like Caleb a lot, but I’m concerned the empty calories style of Lincoln Riley is getting to him.
It’s interesting flipping back and forth with Maye playing at the same time. I think it’s going to be a lot closer than people think as to who goes first overall. That’s not a jab at Caleb, I think he just takes too many hits, and that’s going to get worse at the next level.
Even with a very good game yesterday, Maye is 31st in QBR, 12 TDs, 4 INTs. Not setting the world on fire against mediocre competition.
BUT he comes from the same school as Mitch Trubisky, so that helps. ;)
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I'm sure Rico is thinking that Riley may either be fired or might look elsewhere because there are possibly 2-3 more losses on the schedule with Utah, Washington, Oregon and UCLA left to go.
But there is a lot of time and money left on that contract.
I guess anything is possible but that seems like a dire reaction. Although, I saw some Bucky fans post yesterday that they have seen enough of Fickell and are ready to move on. ::)
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I guess anything is possible but that seems like a dire reaction. Although, I saw some Bucky fans post yesterday that they have seen enough of Fickle and are ready to move on. ::)
Fickell doesn't have what he needs to run that offense. I knew they were going to be in for a longer rebuild when they brought in that OC. I'm sure the AD is on the same page.
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I'm sure Rico is thinking that Riley may either be fired or might look elsewhere because there are possibly 2-3 more losses on the schedule with Utah, Washington, Oregon and UCLA left to go.
But there is a lot of time and money left on that contract.
I think it’s possible he’d look at the NFL. His name has been mentioned there before. His defenses are a concern but if he came aboard with an established DC, I think a lot of teams would be intrigued
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Fickell doesn't have what he needs to run that offense. I knew they were going to be in for a longer rebuild when they brought in that OC. I'm sure the AD is on the same page.
Bold prediction: they never have the pieces to run that offense. High schools in Wisconsin don’t run that kind of offense generally and finding linemen from the state, a staple of the last 30 years, becomes harder to fit the scheme. Guys need to be nimble, quicker and more agile in this offense than simply maulers.
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Bold prediction: they never have the pieces to run that offense. High schools in Wisconsin don’t run that kind of offense generally and finding linemen from the state, a staple of the last 30 years, becomes harder to fit the scheme. Guys need to be nimble, quicker and more agile in this offense than simply maulers.
Very bold. I like it.
The thought Fickell could have a Sonny Dykes type effect on Wisconsin was fanciful (1st year Championship game appearance). 1. Dykes is a better coach and 2. even schools like TCU get better athletes than most BIG schools (see TCU v Michigan).
That said, I like Fickell and I think he will do very well. Maybe not CFP great but very good.
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Bold prediction: they never have the pieces to run that offense. High schools in Wisconsin don’t run that kind of offense generally and finding linemen from the state, a staple of the last 30 years, becomes harder to fit the scheme. Guys need to be nimble, quicker and more agile in this offense than simply maulers.
He’s not going to limit his recruiting to Wisconsin.
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Very bold. I like it.
The thought Fickell could have a Sonny Dykes type effect on Wisconsin was fanciful (1st year Championship game appearance). 1. Dykes is a better coach and 2. even schools like TCU get better athletes than most BIG schools (see TCU v Michigan).
That said, I like Fickell and I think he will do very well. Maybe not CFP great but very good.
He was 2-9 against top 30 teams at Cincinnati. Part of the fanbase and media don’t like he’s not a Wisconsin guy. If he doesn’t have a big season next year, things will get very interesting
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He’s not going to limit his recruiting to Wisconsin.
I know that. What made Wisconsin, Wisconsin football was mauling opponents. Recruiting elite athletes versus SEC schools, Ohio State and the like? I’ll believe it when I see it
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Badgers established Nebraska style of recruiting system when Barry Alvarez ( who was a Nebraska player) came on board . Fits the core recruiting well. Get in state lineman walk ons , give the best a scholarship when earned . Allows the school to save more scholarship for skills players from major metros. That is why Badgers had non stop flow of great running backs and linebackers
That formula worked in its day. Now with NIL it may need to be updated but not wholesale changed .
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Badgers established Nebraska offense system when Barry Alvarez ( who was a Nebraska assistant) came on board . Fits the core recruiting well. Get in state lineman walk ons , give the best a scholarship when earned . Allows the school to save more scholarship for skills players from major metros. That is why Badgers had non stop flow of great running backs and linebackers
That formula worked in its day. Now with NIL it may need to be updated but not wholesale changed .
No, he wasn't. He was a Notre Dame assistant. He played at Nebraska...23 years before he got to Wisconsin and before Tom Osborne took the helm in Lincoln. Alvarez never coached above the high school level in the state of Nebraska.
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No, he wasn't. He was a Notre Dame assistant. He played at Nebraska...23 years before he got to Wisconsin and before Tom Osborne took the helm in Lincoln. Alvarez never coached above the high school level in the state of Nebraska.
Nebraska ran the I-formation and option offense with athletically skilled QBs. Alvarez played at Nebraska before they ran that kind of offense.
Also, Alvarez cut his teeth as an assistant under Hayden Fry at Iowa.
The only thing Wisconsin had in common with Nebraska was the steroid use.
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Nebraska ran the I-formation and option offense with athletically skilled QBs. Alvarez played at Nebraska before they ran that kind of offense.
Also, Alvarez cut his teeth as an assistant under Hayden Fry at Iowa.
The only thing Wisconsin had in common with Nebraska was the steroid use.
Yeah, funny enough, Osborne became OC and revamped the offense with Devaney LITERALLY a year after Barry graduated
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Yeah, funny enough, Osborne became OC and revamped the offense with Devaney LITERALLY a year after Barry graduated
Wisconsin didn’t run anything resembling a Nebraska offense other than they handed it off a lot
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No, he wasn't. He was a Notre Dame assistant. He played at Nebraska...23 years before he got to Wisconsin and before Tom Osborne took the helm in Lincoln. Alvarez never coached above the high school level in the state of Nebraska.
ND assistant but spent most of his coaching career under Fry at Iowa. Recruited the hell out of Wisconsin back then.
But that was a long time ago.
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No, he wasn't. He was a Notre Dame assistant. He played at Nebraska...23 years before he got to Wisconsin and before Tom Osborne took the helm in Lincoln. Alvarez never coached above the high school level in the state of Nebraska.
Correction Noted
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Correction Noted
He didn’t bring a Nebraska system to Wisconsin.
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He didn’t bring a Nebraska system to Wisconsin.
Correction noted
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That said, I like Fickell and I think he will do very well. Maybe not CFP great but very good.
I’m interested to see what the new B10 does for expectations of the current B10 West. I would bet that 7 out of every conference championship games are going to be two of the west coast teams, Mich, OSU, and PSU. 3-4 loss conference seasons won’t be “one game out of the B10 championship game” anymore.
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I’m interested to see what the new B10 does for expectations of the current B10 West. I would bet that 7 out of every conference championship games are going to be two of the west coast teams, Mich, OSU, and PSU. 3-4 loss conference seasons won’t be “one game out of the B10 championship game” anymore.
Maybe I am misunderstanding your post, and I certainly stand to be corrected if wrong, but I understood the B10 was canning the East/West Divisions and going with one 16 team League. First place and second place play for the championship. Right? Wrong?
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The size and athleticism on display during the Washington vs Oregon will make Wisconsin miserable regardless of Fickell “improved” recruiting.
Wisconsin plays Alabama the two next years, yikes.
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Maybe I am misunderstanding your post, and I certainly stand to be corrected if wrong, but I understood the B10 was canning the East/West Divisions and going with one 16 team League. First place and second place play for the championship. Right? Wrong?
Yup, that’s my understanding too. I just mean that proximity to the B10 championship in the current structure has helped make middling seasons at Iowa, WI, Purdue, etc look better than they are. Now those same seasons will just be afterthoughts in the standings of the mega conference, and I wonder if those fanbases will notice/care.
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The size and athleticism on display during the Washington vs Oregon will make Wisconsin miserable regardless of Fickell “improved” recruiting.
Wisconsin plays Alabama the two next years, yikes.
Now’s the time to play Bama. They are on a steep decline
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Yup, that’s my understanding too. I just mean that proximity to the B10 championship in the current structure has helped make middling seasons at Iowa, WI, Purdue, etc look better than they are. Now those same seasons will just be afterthoughts in the standings of the mega conference, and I wonder if those fanbases will notice/care.
You make an excellent point and one I've kind of been wondering about, too. So the B10 mega-conference makes a bazillion dollars from media rights. But if your team has lost 2 conference games by early October under the new setup you're pretty much screwed as far as championship aspirations go. At least under the current 2 division setup, the B10 West is competitive most of the season. Starting next year what interest is there going to be in a Minnesota-Northwestern game in mid October when the only thing on the line is 13th place. 2/3rds of the B10 football fans will have nothing to root for this time next year ( notwithstanding, I'll sleep just fine).
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You make an excellent point and one I've kind of been wondering about, too. So the B10 mega-conference makes a bazillion dollars from media rights. But if your team has lost 2 conference games by early October under the new setup you're pretty much screwed as far as championship aspirations go. At least under the current 2 division setup, the B10 West is competitive most of the season. Starting next year what interest is there going to be in a Minnesota-Northwestern game in mid October when the only thing on the line is 13th place. 2/3rds of the B10 football fans will have nothing to root for this time next year ( notwithstanding, I'll sleep just fine).
College football games are events upon themselves. There will be plenty of people in the stands and watching on TV.
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ND assistant but spent most of his coaching career under Fry at Iowa. Recruited the hell out of Wisconsin back then.
But that was a long time ago.
Sure, but I remember the media coverage when Barry arrived. It was a BIG deal that they got him from Notre Dame.
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Sure, but I remember the media coverage when Barry arrived. It was a BIG deal that they got him from Notre Dame.
Well, he was the DC of a national title winner at Notre Dame but he was way more a Hayden Fry guy than Notre Dame guy.
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Yup, that’s my understanding too. I just mean that proximity to the B10 championship in the current structure has helped make middling seasons at Iowa, WI, Purdue, etc look better than they are. Now those same seasons will just be afterthoughts in the standings of the mega conference, and I wonder if those fanbases will notice/care.
You make an excellent point and one I've kind of been wondering about, too. So the B10 mega-conference makes a bazillion dollars from media rights. But if your team has lost 2 conference games by early October under the new setup you're pretty much screwed as far as championship aspirations go. At least under the current 2 division setup, the B10 West is competitive most of the season. Starting next year what interest is there going to be in a Minnesota-Northwestern game in mid October when the only thing on the line is 13th place. 2/3rds of the B10 football fans will have nothing to root for this time next year ( notwithstanding, I'll sleep just fine).
I remember the bad old days of the Big Ten in the late 60s 70s era of Bo and Woody domination. The other 8 teams games did not have much to offer and the games did not have much energy around them . Every once in a while there would be an outstanding individual to watch but not much beyond that .
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Well, he was the DC of a national title winner at Notre Dame but he was way more a Hayden Fry guy than Notre Dame guy.
Alvarez left Iowa because Hayden Fry's longtime defensive coordinator had no desire to become a head coach. I actually believe that Fry encouraged Holtz to hire him.
brew is right that it was considered a huge get for Wisconsin. But Alrarez knew that Wisconsin had a ton of potential. As I said, he used to recruit the state heavily for Iowa and knew there was talent there.
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Alvarez left Iowa because Hayden Fry's longtime defensive coordinator had no desire to become a head coach. I actually believe that Fry encouraged Holtz to hire him.
brew is right that it was considered a huge get for Wisconsin. But Alrarez knew that Wisconsin had a ton of potential. As I said, he used to recruit the state heavily for Iowa and knew there was talent there.
Yes to all that
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Jim Harbaugh to the NFL next?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38696639/ncaa-investigating-no-2-michigan-amid-sign-stealing-allegations (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38696639/ncaa-investigating-no-2-michigan-amid-sign-stealing-allegations)
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Now’s the time to play Bama. They are on a steep decline
Bama had the third-best recruiting class in history last year, per 247.
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Bama had the third-best recruiting class in history last year, per 247.
Classes have all been good. Development hasn’t been good. They’ve missed the mark at QB
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Classes have all been good. Development hasn’t been good. They’ve missed the mark at QB
I sense sarcasm.
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I sense sarcasm.
No, I’m serious on the QB. Ty Simpson was supposed to be the next star QB and he couldn’t beat out Milroe and they brought Buchner in, who isn’t exactly a star. At this point, Simpson should have won the job. He’s looking like a miss.
They have a 5* in this class at QB and maybe he comes in and starts right away but the position isn’t very good right now.
They’ve also had so much turnover on the staff, which has been a constant in the Saban era, but at some point, historically, that catches up to you. Kevin Steele is the DC. Woof
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Jim Harbaugh to the NFL next?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38696639/ncaa-investigating-no-2-michigan-amid-sign-stealing-allegations (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38696639/ncaa-investigating-no-2-michigan-amid-sign-stealing-allegations)
When he has his lawyer commenting - all I hear is ‘guilty, guilty, guilty’.
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When he has his lawyer commenting - all I hear is ‘guilty, guilty, guilty’.
About time Michigan got serious about winning a national title
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About time Michigan got serious about winning a national title
I think they are padding thier resume for the SEC.
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Rainy day at home with little going on so...
11:00 - Ohio State v. Penn State
2:30 - Tennessee v. Alabama
6:30 - Duke v. Florida State
6:30 - Michigan v. Michigan State (this could be sneaky good, but perhaps not)
7:00 - Utah v. USC
Also could be a Pac 12 after dark special with Arizona State at Washington coming off a big win.
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Rainy day at home with little going on so...
11:00 - Ohio State v. Penn State
2:30 - Tennessee v. Alabama
6:30 - Duke v. Florida State
6:30 - Michigan v. Michigan State (this could be sneaky good, but perhaps not)
7:00 - Utah v. USC
Also could be a Pac 12 after dark special with Arizona State at Washington coming off a big win.
Flip between your 11am game and Chelsea/Arsenal
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https://nypost.com/2023/10/20/deion-sanders-colorado-land-possible-replacement-for-shedeur/amp/
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If Michigan doesn't win the B10, its going to be because of something self-inflicted. No one in the West is a threat and McCord and Allar both suck out loud.
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If Michigan doesn't win the B10, its going to be because of something self-inflicted. No one in the West is a threat and McCord and Allar both suck out loud.
Update - someone will have to win this game, but holy crap do these teams look awful. I know the defenses are good, but this is way more of a two dogsh!t offenses than the defenses playing great. If I'm part of Marvin Harrison Jr.'s camp, I'm seriously worried McCord is going to get him killed before the year is over.
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Update - someone will have to win this game, but holy crap do these teams look awful. I know the defenses are good, but this is way more of a two dogsh!t offenses than the defenses playing great. If I'm part of Marvin Harrison Jr.'s camp, I'm seriously worried McCord is going to get him killed before the year is over.
Maybe they’re playing vanilla because they’re afraid Michigan will somehow see this game and be able to steal their signs
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Update - someone will have to win this game, but holy crap do these teams look awful. I know the defenses are good, but this is way more of a two dogsh!t offenses than the defenses playing great. If I'm part of Marvin Harrison Jr.'s camp, I'm seriously worried McCord is going to get him killed before the year is over.
OSU is finding out what happens when OSU/Day’s offense doesn’t have a Heisman contender caliber QB for the first time in a decade. Plus no truly dominant back (who was hurt today thus a mediocre RB by committee) means MHJ is carrying ALOT of that offense.
On the other hand, Allard was laughably bad.
Speaking of laughably bad, on the road in Norman, UCF engineers a fantastic 80 yard drive to score a TD on 4th down from 15 yards out. 2 pt conversion to tie the game with 1:15 with a 5th year QB…they run a double pass and don’t even get the second pass off in the backfield. Never change Gus!
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Maybe they’re playing vanilla because they’re afraid Michigan will somehow see this game and be able to steal their signs
;D
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Iowa/Minnesota set a record for lowest o/u in FBS history at 30.5. What’s even better is if you took the under on that things are looking really good under 2 minutes left.
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Solid Come From Behind Win for The Badgers over The Illini
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The big ten west is absolute trash.
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Solid Come From Behind Win for The Badgers over The Illini
Helps Marquette’s cause
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The big ten west is absolute trash.
Sun Belt > Big10 West
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6:30 - Michigan v. Michigan State (this could be sneaky good, but perhaps not)
Edit: It is not "sneaky good" at all.
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Mizzou is feeling itself at 7-1. We got into the car after dinner and the post game radio show was on the station we had on. The host was talking about how "Georgia will not be an easy one." Gee, ya think? The team that has won 24 straight games, 40 of 41 games, and the last 2 national titles won't be an easy game for the Mizzou Tigers?
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Mizzou is feeling itself at 7-1. We got into the car after dinner and the post game radio show was on the station we had on. The host was talking about how "Georgia will not be an easy one." Gee, ya think? The team that has won 24 straight games, 40 of 41 games, and the last 2 national titles won't be an easy game for the Mizzou Tigers?
TCU was feeling itself at #2 in the polls and computer rankings 9 months ago too. :o
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Edit: It is not "sneaky good" at all.
Saying something might be sneaky good or might not be sneaky good pretty much covers all the bases. Thanks for sharing, very insightful.
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Saying something might be sneaky good or might not be sneaky good pretty much covers all the bases. Thanks for sharing, very insightful.
You are most welcome!
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Virginia beats UNC on the road. Big Upset. Good quality game broadcast on The CW Sports Network.
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Interesting decision by Michigan State to have a Hitler trivia question shown on their video board today.
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Interesting decision by Michigan State to have a Hitler trivia question shown on their video board today.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2023/10/21/michigan-state-deeply-sorry-after-hitler-image-appears-on-video-boards-before-game/71277801007/#
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Iowa/Minnesota set a record for lowest o/u in FBS history at 30.5. What’s even better is if you took the under on that things are looking really good under 2 minutes left.
Finished at 22 and not even a sweat. What’s funny is I remember a PSU-NW, maybe PSU-Iowa games number of years ago that was like a 33/34 line, and I remember that ending around 20 points as well, not even close.
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Still can't spell Lincoln without two Ls
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Mike Elko has done a nice job at Duke but holy hell he was bad today.
Up 20-17, Leonard, their starting QB, gets injured. 1st and 10 from the 12, they run 3 times and bring up 4th and 3 on the road with a backup…so he naturally goes for it and they call the backup’s first pass attempt of the night. Naturally it’s unsuccessful. FSU then rattles of 21 straight to win 38-20.
Oh, and the final TD? Down 11 with 8 min left, not at all an insurmountable lead…Elko chose to go for it on 4th and 4 from their own 30. Stopped and FSU scored 5 plays later
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Interesting decision by Michigan State to have a Hitler trivia question shown on their video board today.
Michigan State is class and dignity always. ::)
Seriously, what is wrong with that school and the people who "run" it? Is it possible an institution of higher learning has no idea what just happened in Israel?
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Iowa/Minnesota set a record for lowest o/u in FBS history at 30.5. What’s even better is if you took the under on that things are looking really good under 2 minutes left.
Another great game.by.the.Iowa QB 10/28 for 116 yds, and is rating went.up!
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Lincoln Riley is going to wind up coaching Eastern Washington in two years, and he’ll absolutely deserve it.
Some people this week suggested he wants to move after this season to the NFL. Totally absurd to think he’d be a successful NFL coach.
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Michigan State is class and dignity always. ::)
Seriously, what is wrong with that school and the people who "run" it? Is it possible an institution of higher learning has no idea what just happened in Israel?
The claim is that they use a third party company for videoboard content and had no idea that they were going to do this. They immediately fired the company and said they will start screening content in the future.
Probably wise to always screen third party videoboard content. Honestly, I don't know that i would've thought of it.
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The claim is that they use a third party company for videoboard content and had no idea that they were going to do this. They immediately fired the company and said they will start screening content in the future.
Probably wise to always screen third party videoboard content. Honestly, I don't know that i would've thought of it.
As a singular incident, I think something like it could happen anywhere. Any other schools would fire the company and internal staff involved. But there is a clear track record horrible/criminal leadership at MSU, whether intentional (Nasser) or willfully negligent (Hitler) and all the other crap in between.
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As a singular incident, I think something like it could happen anywhere. Any other schools would fire the company and internal staff involved. But there is a clear track record horrible/criminal leadership at MSU, whether intentional (Nasser) or willfully negligent (Hitler) and all the other crap in between.
That seems like a stretch.
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That seems like a stretch.
How so?
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You yourself said that scoreboard Hitler could happen anywhere. Trying to connect it to the Nasser issue is a bit much. It was a third party vendor, that has since been fired.
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Lincoln Riley is going to wind up coaching Eastern Washington in two years, and he’ll absolutely deserve it.
Some people this week suggested he wants to move after this season to the NFL. Totally absurd to think he’d be a successful NFL coach.
What USC needs is a old school defensive coordinator because that defense is SOFT. And it really shouldn't be because there should be enough talent there. Someone like Will Muschamp.
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Virginia beats UNC on the road. Big Upset. Good quality game broadcast on The CW Sports Network.
Is that the network that occasionally has a few thousand people watch them broadcast the golf league owned by a regime that blames Israel for what happened on October 7th?
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You yourself said that scoreboard Hitler could happen anywhere. Trying to connect it to the Nasser issue is a bit much. It was a third party vendor, that has since been fired.
That's fair. I, personally, am seeing a pronounced pattern of terrible leadership at that school.
Not that it makes me correct, but a quick look at an MSU board showed a lot of fans echoing my position. "we need to cut the rot out", "we need to clean house up to the president", etc.
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That's fair. I, personally, am seeing a pronounced pattern of terrible leadership at that school.
Not that it makes me correct, but a quick look at an MSU board showed a lot of fans echoing my position. "we need to cut the rot out", "we need to clean house up to the president", etc.
Oh I think there are plenty of leadership issues at MSU. I just think scoreboard Hitler isn't really an example of that.
Perhaps symbolic of it though.
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Oh I think there are plenty of leadership issues at MSU. I just think scoreboard Hitler isn't really an example of that.
Perhaps symbolic of it though.
That may be a better way of stating it.
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Saw a graphic with Heisman odds? Then looked up stats. Seems JJ McCarthy and Marvin Harrison should be 1-2. Haven’t seen any games and pretty much just read recaps and the such but they’ve been the best week-in-week out?
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That may be a better way of stating it.
OK, now I might have to back off this statement. Apparently the "third party" was a Youtube channel that posted the video over a week ago and no one actually went through the process of reviewing it. (Or they did and didn't think it was a problem.) I wonder if they ever paid royalties to actually use it?
https://x.com/bubbaprog/status/1715917244780118212?s=20
Anyway, after watching this, the jolly music in the background makes everything OK....right?
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OK, now I might have to back off this statement. Apparently the "third party" was a Youtube channel that posted the video over a week ago and no one actually went through the process of reviewing it. (Or they did and didn't think it was a problem.) I wonder if they ever paid royalties to actually use it?
https://x.com/bubbaprog/status/1715917244780118212?s=20
Anyway, after watching this, the jolly music in the background makes everything OK....right?
Tom Izzo thinks the real problem is the transfer portal and cell phones
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Tom Izzo thinks the real problem is the transfer portal and cell phones
Tom Izzo is probably still wondering if Hitler was responsible for The Holocaust.
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Iowa/Minnesota set a record for lowest o/u in FBS history at 30.5. What’s even better is if you took the under on that things are looking really good under 2 minutes left.
Iowa fans are crying about the call on the punt return, but I like The Athletic's take:
Tough call, sure, but how much sympathy can we muster for a team that spent the second half gaining all of two yards? Goal for next week: Advance the ball at least seven feet. Maybe even an entire Wemby.
Lincoln Riley is going to wind up coaching Eastern Washington in two years, and he’ll absolutely deserve it.
Some people this week suggested he wants to move after this season to the NFL. Totally absurd to think he’d be a successful NFL coach.
Agree totally.
If I'm part of Marvin Harrison Jr.'s camp, I'm seriously worried McCord is going to get him killed before the year is over.
Yep. It's too bad Harrison wasn't allowed to opt for the draft after last season. Ridiculous rule by the NFL.
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Is that the network that occasionally has a few thousand people watch them broadcast the golf league owned by a regime that blames Israel for what happened on October 7th?
more importantly it airs "whose line is it anyway" re-runs.
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Yep. It's too bad Harrison wasn't allowed to opt for the draft after last season. Ridiculous rule by the NFL.
And the NFLPA.
More players should just sit their junior years IMO.
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And the NFLPA.
More players should just sit their junior years IMO.
Agree, and agree.
But I do get that they are competitors who love football and want to play.
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What USC needs is a old school defensive coordinator because that defense is SOFT. And it really shouldn't be because there should be enough talent there. Someone like Will Muschamp.
1000%. But also I think Riley just so de-emphasizes defense that it’s not a mentality. Muschamp is actually a really good call. A doofus of a HC but a defensive savant
Yep. It's too bad Harrison wasn't allowed to opt for the draft after last season. Ridiculous rule by the NFL.
I’m quick to criticize dumb rules like this, but I will say, when it was created (and even 10ish years ago), I think it was totally fair. Freshmen/sophomores just weren’t physically ready to get pummeled by NFL level players. It was a safety thing. However, as we see now, with S&C becoming so much better, even at the HS level, these are no longer under developed kids by sophomore year.
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more importantly it airs "whose line is it anyway" re-runs.
They actually cut away from the post-game interviews to air “Last Man Standing” and “Price is Right Reruns”
Imagine putting your events on that network and then getting postgame interviews cut for Tim Allen and Drew Carrey
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Lincoln Riley is going to wind up coaching Eastern Washington in two years, and he’ll absolutely deserve it.
Some people this week suggested he wants to move after this season to the NFL. Totally absurd to think he’d be a successful NFL coach.
I’d love to figure out what portion of blame is Riley vs Williams, but another game full of Williams red flagging himself as a high pick.
The drive late in the 4th down 8 was a prime example…
Takes a sack early in the drive almost solely because he wasn’t paying attention in the pocket.
Few plays later makes an INSANE throw moving to his left and jumping firing a bullet down the sideline. Truly a wow play.
But then 3 plays later, almost murders his WR by forces a feathering ball across the middle for what would have been at most a 4 yard gain instead of throwing it away. Rice gets LEVELED
Then, 3rd and 4 from the 8 down 8 with under 4 min left…he literally drops the ball cocking his arm back and takes an 11 yard loss forcing a FG.
All added to a fairly underwhelming stat line. Utah has a very good D, but still. He got outplayed by Utah’s backup.
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Delighted to see FSU beat Duke.
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Agree, and agree.
But I do get that they are competitors who love football and want to play.
Plus some of them are getting a pretty good salary.
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Mizzou is feeling itself at 7-1. We got into the car after dinner and the post game radio show was on the station we had on. The host was talking about how "Georgia will not be an easy one." Gee, ya think? The team that has won 24 straight games, 40 of 41 games, and the last 2 national titles won't be an easy game for the Mizzou Tigers?
I guess I don't get it. Mizzou may very well get thumped by a million at Georgia. No one would be surprised at that. But a) why not enjoy it and b) seems like a mundane comment that the next game is challenging. What is the host suppposed to say? They have no chance, don't tune into the game in two weeks?
Last year's game was a competitive game for them v Georgia, when Mizzou led by 10 in the 4th quarter, got too conservative and ran out of gas, losing 26-22 on a late 4th quarter td. And their team is better this year. So of course they feel encouraged. Again that doesn't mean it will be a close or good game. It may not be.
They reached 7-1 on their homecoming, and they are probably a little frustrated they let the LSU game slip away late. But that seems pretty fun. I know their newer AD (big upgrade) is pretty excited about selling out all of their games and having another facilities master plan announcement coming up in November. This is after opening up their 2nd indoor football facility this past Summer. They haven't had this much fun since Gary Pinkel went to 5 of 7 conference title games over 2 leagues, before he stepped down after his cancer diagnosis.
If it was their postgame, I know their long time pxp guy, Mike Kelly. He's in the Sean McDonough mold of broadcasting. He's also pretty.level headed.
They will certainly be challenged playing UGA and UT back to back and they could lose both.
But 10-2, 9-3 type of season is pretty good and fun for many schools. Last year jiust under 50% of the final top 25 had at least 3 losses.
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I guess I don't get it. Mizzou may very well get thumped by a million at Georgia. No one would be surprised at that. But a) why not enjoy it and b) seems like a mundane comment that the next game is challenging. What is the host suppposed to say? They have no chance, don't tune into the game in two weeks?
Last year's game was a competitive game for them v Georgia, when Mizzou led by 10 in the 4th quarter, got too conservative and ran out of gas, losing 26-22 on a late 4th quarter td. And their team is better this year. So of course they feel encouraged. Again that doesn't mean it will be a close or good game. It may not be.
They reached 7-1 on their homecoming, and they are probably a little frustrated they let the LSU game slip away late. But that seems pretty fun. I know their newer AD (big upgrade) is pretty excited about selling out all of their games and having another facilities master plan announcement coming up in November. This is after opening up their 2nd indoor football facility this past Summer. They haven't had this much fun since Gary Pinkel went to 5 of 7 conference title games over 2 leagues, before he stepped down after his cancer diagnosis.
If it was their postgame, I know their long time pxp guy, Mike Kelly. He's in the Sean McDonough mold of broadcasting. He's also pretty.level headed.
They will certainly be challenged playing UGA and UT back to back and they could lose both.
But 10-2, 9-3 type of season is pretty good and fun for many schools. Last year jiust under 50% of the final top 25 had at least 3 losses.
Who said anything otherwise about any of this?
"The next game won't be easy" seems to be understating things, just a bit. But hey, that's just my opinion. Sorry if that comes off as a slight to this great state of Missouri.
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Plus some of them are getting a pretty good salary.
You know, that's a real good point, Lenny. I wonder if NIL money will have anything to do with decisions these guys make re playing in non-playoff bowl games.
Do they have "contracts" requiring they play in bowl games, even if they are "minor" bowls? Is a portion of Player X's NIL money tied to playing in the Beef O'Brady Bowl? Or can these athletes accept NIL money with no strings attached, meaning they can make bowl-or-no-bowl decisions that they, their parents and their agents believe are most prudent?
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Who said anything otherwise about any of this?
"The next game won't be easy" seems to be understating things, just a bit. But hey, that's just my opinion. Sorry if that comes off as a slight to this great state of Missouri.
I'm just responding to your post. I didn't hear the comment. You didn't provide a link to it. Any team can be the example. Although I'm.sure responses would come quick if i had used Wisconsin as an example. I'm not sure what a better choice of words would have been in your example? Seems spot on to me.
I also think you are projecting here. I believe you live (unhappily?) in Columbia, MO, yes? (I am not someone that calls it CoMo) I did eventually receive your message asking if I knew that area. I went a very long time here forgetting to check private messages. I do try check them now more often.
if you take your comment here, and your recent one about custard, etc...maybe it's more about you living there than about me. You can always relocate if you are unhappy there.
I'm willing to bet it was a pretty good time there this past weekend. I've had some good times in Madison too, and many other places.
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I'm just responding to your post. I didn't hear the comment. You didn't provide a link to it. Any team can be the example. Although I'm.sure responses would come quick if i had used Wisconsin as an example. I'm not sure what a better choice of words would have been in your example? Seems spot on to me.
I also think you are projecting here. I believe you live (unhappily?) in Columbia, MO, yes? (I am not someone that calls it CoMo) I did eventually receive your message asking if I knew that area. I went a very long time here forgetting to check private messages. I do try check them now more often.
if you take your comment here, and your recent one about custard, etc...maybe it's more about you living there than about me. You can always relocate if you are unhappy there.
I'm willing to bet it was a pretty good time there this past weekend. I've had some good times in Madison too, and many other places.
Enjoying Columbia quite a bit. I just have no problem when someone says something about a city in a state that I live in that isn't even a shot at the city or the state. I've never seen someone be so quick to defend every single thing that has to do with their favorite state as you. I'm not even knocking the football team, the excitement around the program, etc. The extreme offense you take to anything that isn't, "Mizzou is in MO, so it's the greatest athletic program ever created" is wild. And then you act like you're being persecuted when someone is like, "Holy smokes that's an overreaction buddy" to your novel responses.
I do wish they had better custard here, for sure.
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Save it for the judge, wades.
We got Jew-haters in one thread, and a Mizzou-hater in this one.
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Enjoying Columbia quite a bit. I just have no problem when someone says something about a city in a state that I live in that isn't even a shot at the city or the state. I've never seen someone be so quick to defend every single thing that has to do with their favorite state as you. I'm not even knocking the football team, the excitement around the program, etc. The extreme offense you take to anything that isn't, "Mizzou is in MO, so it's the greatest athletic program ever created" is wild. And then you act like you're being persecuted when someone is like, "Holy smokes that's an overreaction buddy" to your novel responses.
I do wish they had better custard here, for sure.
It doesn't seem like you are enjoying yourself. Again you are projecting here and you are reading tone that isn't there. My comment couldn''t have been more relaxed and matter.of fact. My simple question was what would have been a better thing to.say? A place that doesn't win often is winning and enjoying themselves. And they said the next game.wouldm't be easy.
I talk about a lot of geographies here. But only one seems.to get posts like this. I wonder why that is.
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It doesn't seem like you are enjoying yourself. Again you are projecting here and you are reading tone that isn't there. My comment couldn''t have been more relaxed and matter.of fact. My simple question was what would have been a better thing to.say? A place that doesn't win often is winning and enjoying themselves. And they said the next game.wouldm't be easy.
I talk about a lot of geographies here. But only one seems.to get posts like this. I wonder why that is.
Maybe because of threads like this where you have numerous posts defending the state of Missouri from innocuous comments.
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Maybe because of threads like this where you have numerous posts defending the state of Missouri from innocuous comments.
You're projecting.
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I talk about a lot of geographies here. But only one seems.to get posts like this. I wonder why that is.
Yeah. I wonder.
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Yeah. I wonder.
There's life out there beyond the tribe.
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There's life out there beyond the tribe.
Says the dude who felt compelled to respond to a post from two days ago that otherwise received no traction.
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Says the dude who felt compelled to respond to a post from two days ago that otherwise received no traction.
And almost immediately stating someone had a differing opinion because they were unhappy with their own life, makes a snide remark about CoMo which I imagine was something Wades said in his PM, and then suggests he should move. Just wild.
Also, not sure about that random Sean McDonough comparison. Comparing the voice of Mizzou who has never worked outside of the state to a guy who has called nearly every major sport outside of soccer and is top 3 most accomplished living broadcasters because they are both level headed is wonderful homerism.
Kudos to Mizzou for taking advantage of a favorable early schedule. Being in the SEC East (even though they are the 3rd most western school in the conference :o) helps. But to Drinkwitz's credit, they've not really had "bad losses" since he's arrived in CoMo, they largely beat teams they should and its a toss up in closer matchups. Thats not a bad blueprint for a building a program early on in a tough conference
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Says the dude who felt compelled to respond to a post from two days ago that otherwise received no traction.
Lol. You have 10,125 posts. Some of us don't read and post in all of the threads daily.
Clearly with 10,125 posts, you aren't new here. I post about what interests me. I don't post hoping for traction or for what interests you or anyone else.
Wades made my post about geography which it wasn't. And the same few tribe members like you jump in like clockwork as opposed to any of the other many topics I discuss here.
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I don't post hoping for traction or for what interests you or anyone else.
You are wildly successful in that regard.
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And almost immediately stating someone had a differing opinion because they were unhappy with their own life, makes a snide remark about CoMo which I imagine was something Wades said in his PM, and then suggests he should move. Just wild.
Also, not sure about that random Sean McDonough comparison. Comparing the voice of Mizzou who has never worked outside of the state to a guy who has called nearly every major sport outside of soccer and is top 3 most accomplished living broadcasters because they are both level headed is wonderful homerism.
Kudos to Mizzou for taking advantage of a favorable early schedule. Being in the SEC East (even though they are the 3rd most western school in the conference :o) helps. But to Drinkwitz's credit, they've not really had "bad losses" since he's arrived in CoMo, they largely beat teams they should and its a toss up in closer matchups. Thats not a bad blueprint for a building a program early on in a tough conference
You have quite the imagination there. Incredible actually. I don't even understand your first paragraph..
Then your post gets more strange. Can't believe I am going to respond to a strange pxp comment here. A pxp broadcaster somehow has more credibility to you if they work nationally. Lol. Some of the best pxp broadcasters out there are local. And some of the worst ones are national. Yipes.
Then you ramble on about Mizzou's schedule, their coach, lol. None of that stuff interests me.
This is a lot of effort here. I especially love rhe part about you guessing and assuming (incorrectly) the contents of a PM. Maybe try decaf.
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You are wildly successful in that regard.
I'm not performing for an audience. I'm not trying to be one of the fellas.
I post about what interests me. If others are interested too and have something positive or interesting to share, great. If not that's great too.
I thought that's how everyone else posted too. How does that work for you? Do you plan what posts you think will obtain engagement? That sounds like a lot of work and a lot of social validation.
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I'm not performing for an audience. I'm not trying to be one of the fellas.
I post about what interests me. If others are interested too and have something positive or interesting to share, great. If not that's great too.
I thought that's how everyone else posted too. How does that work for you? Do you plan what posts you think will obtain engagement? That sounds like a lot of work and a lot of social validation.
I just gave you a compliment. You are accomplishing your goals!
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And almost immediately stating someone had a differing opinion because they were unhappy with their own life, makes a snide remark about CoMo which I imagine was something Wades said in his PM, and then suggests he should move. Just wild.
Also, not sure about that random Sean McDonough comparison. Comparing the voice of Mizzou who has never worked outside of the state to a guy who has called nearly every major sport outside of soccer and is top 3 most accomplished living broadcasters because they are both level headed is wonderful homerism.
Kudos to Mizzou for taking advantage of a favorable early schedule. Being in the SEC East (even though they are the 3rd most western school in the conference :o) helps. But to Drinkwitz's credit, they've not really had "bad losses" since he's arrived in CoMo, they largely beat teams they should and its a toss up in closer matchups. Thats not a bad blueprint for a building a program early on in a tough conference
You're projecting!
Everybody's projecting except Yadi's cousin.
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I just gave you a compliment. You are accomplishing your goals!
I didn’t take it as an insult. I think your feelings are hurt.
I was just pointing out to you that I skip more threads here than I read. And it may take me a few days or longer to read something or post about something.
You have over 10k posts so I suppose it would make sense that posting for you most often happens in real time.
I’m happy to talk college football. I’m more of an ACC, SEC, Pac 12 etc…leagues, but I’ve been to my share of Big 10 games and campuses too.
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I didn’t take it as an insult. I think your feelings are hurt.
Why would my feelings be hurt by complimenting you?
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You're projecting!
Everybody's projecting except Yadi's cousin.
This is an example of the above reference of someone desperate to be part of the tribe, to be one of the fellas, seeking that response of social validation.
Thank you for being right on time. It’s the same group, every time.
You and the same few others will be waiting a long time for me to bash Mizzou or St. Louis. You will also be waiting a long time for me to bash U of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Notre Dame, or insert place or people here. It isn’t my thing. I’m not going to change the way I post. Besides the tribe sounds exhausting.
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Then you ramble on about Mizzou's schedule, their coach, lol. None of that stuff interests me.
You attack Wades for commenting on Mizzou's fanbase/radio show/state of the program. Then when I actually talk about and speak accurately about Mizzou's program and their coach, complimenting them no less...you say you have no interest. Way to tell on yourself.
Maybe stick to talking to yourself in the Tennis thread like its your own Twitter account. Other people post in there and you rarely say anything unless there is the chance to deride others for not having the breadth of Tennis knowledge and experience you do. But yep, we're all the unhappy ones :o
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Jesus christ
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You attack Wades for commenting on Mizzou's fanbase/radio show/state of the program. Then when I actually talk about and speak accurately about Mizzou's program and their coach, complimenting them no less...you say you have no interest. Way to tell on yourself.
Maybe stick to talking to yourself in the Tennis thread like its your own Twitter account. Other people post in there and you rarely say anything unless there is the chance to deride others for not having the breadth of Tennis knowledge and experience you do. But yep, we're all the unhappy ones :o
You seem to be having some trouble. I didn’t attack anyone. I asked calmly,
rationally, in relaxed, matter of fact fashion, what would have been a better comment and I’ve still yet to hear one. Maybe take a deep breath.
I don’t understand the rest of the paragraph. You seem to keep having conversations with yourself by assuming and guessing the role of the other person. That’s hard to follow.
The tennis thread. (Checks tennis thread). Oh, you just posted in it. Let’s see what you had to add. (Takes a look). You made a comment that you thought a recently deceased tennis person that I knew was named after a medieval STD treatment. What exactly am I supposed to say in response to that? Then you say you don’t like the way I post but that I don’t engage with others who post in the thread? I will seek out and find a post to engage with you. (Writes note to self) And then you don’t have specifics.
Tennis? I also enjoy soccer, basketball, baseball, hockey,’several other Olympic sports, college, pro, Women, Men, youth.
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Jesus christ
He was part of the tribe, too.
And now so are you.
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He was part of the tribe, too.
And now so are you.
Your impatience seeking social validation is giving yourself away here.
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Your impatience seeking social validation is giving yourself away here.
Oh, my entire family has been part of the tribe for centuries, probably longer.
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It’s a shame that Keefe isn’t here to give his thoughts on the Michigan situation.
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Nah. His presence just makes the board more doxic.
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This sentence in the ESPN article on sign stealing (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38727764/what-college-football-coaches-saying-sign-stealing) is just stupid: "Sign stealing, whether legal or illegal 'is incredibly rampant in this business,' a longtime Power 5 assistant said. Ohio State defensive coordinator Jim Knowles told ESPN in December that he estimates 75% of teams do it in some form."
So, between the thing that is within the rules (game-day sign stealing) and the thing that is outside the rules (advance scouting), most teams do it. Oh really? Based on the quote, If we're including "legal" and "illegal" methods, I'd be completely astounded if only 75% do it in some form. Is the tOSU coordinator suggesting that there are 25% of teams that don't look across the field (or the line of scrimmage) and try to figure out what the other team is calling?
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Nah. His presence just makes the board more doxic.
(https://media.tenor.com/WNrt9f6j5SUAAAAC/billy-bob-aces.gif)
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This sentence in the ESPN article on sign stealing (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38727764/what-college-football-coaches-saying-sign-stealing) is just stupid: "Sign stealing, whether legal or illegal 'is incredibly rampant in this business,' a longtime Power 5 assistant said. Ohio State defensive coordinator Jim Knowles told ESPN in December that he estimates 75% of teams do it in some form."
So, between the thing that is within the rules (game-day sign stealing) and the thing that is outside the rules (advance scouting), most teams do it. Oh really? Based on the quote, If we're including "legal" and "illegal" methods, I'd be completely astounded if only 75% do it in some form. Is the tOSU coordinator suggesting that there are 25% of teams that don't look across the field (or the line of scrimmage) and try to figure out what the other team is calling?
Sign stealing in sports is a fascinating discussion. It’s permissible to steal signs during a game or from watching game film but advanced scouting or attending a game to do so isn’t (until last week, I had no idea you couldn’t advance scout in person). And a team or teams knew about it. Greg Schiano had a halftime interview against Michigan where he alluded to something going on. Like, that’s on him if he’s not changing signals from game-to-game imo. The way coaches bounce from staff-to-staff, how can’t you change weekly?
Baseball is another category. The ‘51 Giants were stealing signs from the CF scoreboard and though it wasn’t confirmed until a half a century later, it was widely assumed at the time something was amiss. I put that on the teams that knew something was wrong.
Weirdly, the NCAA started talking about abolishing this rule in 2021. They could avoid the issue by going to wireless helmets like the nfl but the poor schools can’t afford it
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Sign stealing in sports is a fascinating discussion. It’s permissible to steal signs during a game or from watching game film but advanced scouting or attending a game to do so isn’t (until last week, I had no idea you couldn’t advance scout in person). And a team or teams knew about it. Greg Schiano had a halftime interview against Michigan where he alluded to something going on. Like, that’s on him if he’s not changing signals from game-to-game imo. The way coaches bounce from staff-to-staff, how can’t you change weekly?
Baseball is another category. The ‘51 Giants were stealing signs from the CF scoreboard and though it wasn’t confirmed until a half a century later, it was widely assumed at the time something was amiss. I put that on the teams that knew something was wrong.
Weirdly, the NCAA started talking about abolishing this rule in 2021. They could avoid the issue by going to wireless helmets like the nfl but the poor schools can’t afford it
There are probably about 100-150 plays in a typical college playbook, with multiple variations on each for different personnel groupings and formations. A typical weekly gameplan won't include the entire playbook, but probably somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 of it.
Asking your players to learn 60+ different signs every week is a big ask.
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There are probably about 100-150 plays in a typical college playbook, with multiple variations on each for different personnel groupings and formations. A typical weekly gameplan won't include the entire playbook, but probably somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 of it.
Asking your players to learn 60+ different signs every week is a big ask.
I’m going to disagree. Coaches are getting paid a lot of money to figure it out. Plus, most offenses are a lot more basic than we think. The playbooks may be deep, but not a whole lot of it gets used week to week
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Weirdly, the NCAA started talking about abolishing this rule in 2021.
It’s an idiotic rule IMHO.
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It’s an idiotic rule IMHO.
The reaction from coaches throughout the sport makes me wonder how rampant it is. Weirder yet, this guy wasn’t a staffer until 2022 but was allegedly a super fan who was at everything. Real wild story
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It’s an idiotic rule IMHO.
Just like limiting scholarships and staff sizes. If you can't afford to play the game, get out.
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This is pretty well done. The camera made me laugh
https://youtu.be/NQm2YXqkmAQ
Also hits on the fact that the details and background/process of it seem to be more absurd than whatever “crime” was committed.
Also absurd is the not insignificant chorus from Bucknuts in Columbus that this should be death penalty worthy :o
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This is pretty well done. The camera made me laugh
https://youtu.be/NQm2YXqkmAQ
Also hits on the fact that the details and background/process of it seem to be more absurd than whatever “crime” was committed.
Also absurd is the not insignificant chorus from Bucknuts in Columbus that this should be death penalty worthy :o
Neither of those "fans" used their tickets for the OSU/PSU game this past weekend. I wonder why.
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Northwestern evens record at 4-4 with win over Maryland. Only 19,286 showed yo in Evanston .
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Badger lost which hurts Marquette’s cause
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Badgers don't have the talent to compete with The Buckeyes
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Badgers don't have the talent to compete with The Buckeyes
And that hurts Marquette’s cause
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Badgers don't have the talent to compete with The Buckeyes
Been that way for a very long time.
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Coach Prime throwing Offensive Line under the bus
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38769067/colorado-shedeur-sanders-takes-beating-deion-laments-poor-protection-vs-ucla
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Georgia Florida Game may be moving around
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38771770/report-georgia-florida-mull-neutral-sites-rivalry-game
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Georgia Florida Game may be moving around
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38771770/report-georgia-florida-mull-neutral-sites-rivalry-game
Can’t blame them. No one should have to go to Jacksonville
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Coach Prime throwing Offensive Line under the bus
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38769067/colorado-shedeur-sanders-takes-beating-deion-laments-poor-protection-vs-ucla
Perfect.
"I failed to recruit good offensive linemen, putting my own son and other skill players in harm's way, so I'll blame the cruddy ones."
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From The Athletic:
The opening line for this week’s Iowa-Northwestern college football game opened with an over-under of 29.5 points at Circa Sports, which is a modern-day low.
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From The Athletic:
The opening line for this week’s Iowa-Northwestern college football game opened with an over-under of 29.5 points at Circa Sports, which is a modern-day low.
Give me the under. Seriously, 14-10 feels about right.
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Iowa was in the Rose Bowl and finished in the top 10 6-7 years ago. Now they are best known for being the punchline of jokes about a horrific offense. Life comes at you fast.
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Iowa was in the Rose Bowl and finished in the top 10 6-7 years ago. Now they are best known for being the punchline of jokes about a horrific offense. Life comes at you fast.
Weirdly coincides with the elevation of Brian Ferentz to OC. Wonder if there's a connection.
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Weirdly coincides with the elevation of Brian Ferentz to OC. Wonder if there's a connection.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/10/30/brian-ferentz-will-not-return-iowa-offensive-coordinator-in-2024 (https://www.si.com/college/2023/10/30/brian-ferentz-will-not-return-iowa-offensive-coordinator-in-2024)
Well, the Brian Ferentz era is ending. How much longer does Kirk have??
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This Michigan story is getting wild. Stallions may have been on the sideline of the CMU-MSU game in CMU gear. Even some thoughts he had a camera in his glasses.
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This Michigan story is getting wild. Stallions may have been on the sideline of the CMU-MSU game in CMU gear. Even some thoughts he had a camera in his glasses.
It seems like this would be a pretty easy story to refute if it was an actual CMU staffer. So did he have inside access to get himself on the sidelines? A coach? Another guy in the athletic department?
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Game winning FG for Duke. Not happy to see Duke Football keep winning games
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and WTF would anyone care if Duke football wins games?
Game winning FG for Duke. Not happy to see Duke Football keep winning games
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North Carolina State coach Dave Doeren calls America a "soft country" ...
Asked at his press conference yesterday about player Jaylon Scott staying at the school for his final year of eligibility, Doeren said:
In today's world, not just football but in general — you see it at the high school level now — kids are picking up and transferring all the time. It's sad. Parents are robbing young people of adversity. “That's okay, honey. Let's do this. That's too hard.” That's sad. That's why we're a soft country.
So there you have it from an expert.
Now, some might say that somebody who is mediocre at his job (40-46 career ACC record) getting paid $5M and then blaming college athletes for America being a soft country is a sign that America's a soft country.
But the fact is that America actually is a soft country because Daryll Morsell transferred to Marquette.
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North Carolina State coach Dave Doeren calls America a "soft country" ...
Asked at his press conference yesterday about player Jaylon Scott staying at the school for his final year of eligibility, Doeren said:
In today's world, not just football but in general — you see it at the high school level now — kids are picking up and transferring all the time. It's sad. Parents are robbing young people of adversity. “That's okay, honey. Let's do this. That's too hard.” That's sad. That's why we're a soft country.
So there you have it from an expert.
Now, some might say that somebody who is mediocre at his job (40-46 career ACC record) getting paid $5M and then blaming college athletes for America being a soft country is a sign that America's a soft country.
But the fact is that America actually is a soft country because Daryll Morsell transferred to Marquette.
He also left NIU after two seasons to head to NC State. Which is clearly his right. As is the right for SAs to transfer.
I guess the former is a good career decision while the latter is a reflection on American society. Because of course…
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He also left NIU after two seasons to head to NC State. Which is clearly his right. As is the right for SAs to transfer.
I guess the former is a good career decision while the latter is a reflection on American society. Because of course…
Yeah, excellent point. These a-holes have no shame.
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I have no love for Doeren and think he's kind of a meathead tool, but outside of the stupid "soft country" ending, I don't think he's entirely wrong. It's pretty much a given now that if you're a highly ranked recruit and you're not starting by sophomore year, especially as a QB, you're transferring. Of course it's their right and I don't think its ruining the college game or anything dramatic like that, but it is certainly counter to adversity helping athletes find a different gear through fighting for position or rank.
I also don't think him getting a promotion from NIU to NCSU is an apples to apples comp for this situation, especially since nobody is sitting out anymore. If he bolted to another mid tier P5 program because he was struggling in Raleigh, then it would be fair. Not all transfers are the same.
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I have no love for Doeren and think he's kind of a meathead tool, but outside of the stupid "soft country" ending, I don't think he's entirely wrong. It's pretty much a given now that if you're a highly ranked recruit and you're not starting by sophomore year, especially as a QB, you're transferring. Of course it's their right and I don't think its ruining the college game or anything dramatic like that, but it is certainly counter to adversity helping athletes find a different gear through fighting for position or rank.
The counter to that is maybe the coaching staff sold the kid a bill of goods during the recruiting process, and the realty of the situation is nothing close to that. Doesn't make the kid soft, it makes him smart.
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The counter to that is maybe the coaching staff sold the kid a bill of goods during the recruiting process, and the realty of the situation is nothing close to that. Doesn't make the kid soft, it makes him smart.
Kids should have to join the army for a year if they transfer
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The counter to that is maybe the coaching staff sold the kid a bill of goods during the recruiting process, and the realty of the situation is nothing close to that. Doesn't make the kid soft, it makes him smart.
Listen, I have nothing against kids transferring. Its their lives, their careers, their college experience, their mental health, etc... And I said I thought the statement about the country, players, etc... being "soft" was dumb. Specifically, the way he phrased his statement negated any decent underlying points
But immediately pushing back on any criticism of how quickly athletes transfer in the current CFB landscape, the number of kids who play at 2/3/4 schools, QBs who transfer in Jan without ever playing a snap, etc... with "these coaches make millions, how dare they complain" is stupid too.
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I have no love for Doeren and think he's kind of a meathead tool, but outside of the stupid "soft country" ending, I don't think he's entirely wrong. It's pretty much a given now that if you're a highly ranked recruit and you're not starting by sophomore year, especially as a QB, you're transferring. Of course it's their right and I don't think its ruining the college game or anything dramatic like that, but it is certainly counter to adversity helping athletes find a different gear through fighting for position or rank.
I also don't think him getting a promotion from NIU to NCSU is an apples to apples comp for this situation, especially since nobody is sitting out anymore. If he bolted to another mid tier P5 program because he was struggling in Raleigh, then it would be fair. Not all transfers are the same.
We'll agree to disagree, Wags.
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This is pretty great.
https://twitter.com/RGIII/status/1719903094538998019?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1719903094538998019%7Ctwgr%5E70d620d15c7f531164918133d9376202c55ac5f1%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhuskerbigred.com%2Fwatch-this-matt-rhule-speech-will-give-you-chills%2F
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ND in the process of getting kicked to the curb.
Great day so far.
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Need a Badgers win to help the cause
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Indiana has a college football team?
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This is pretty great.
https://twitter.com/RGIII/status/1719903094538998019?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1719903094538998019%7Ctwgr%5E70d620d15c7f531164918133d9376202c55ac5f1%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhuskerbigred.com%2Fwatch-this-matt-rhule-speech-will-give-you-chills%2F
That was awesome!
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Indiana has a college football team?
Great day in Bloomington Indiana-----so far. Let's win one for the General.
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“Air Raid” offense, my ass. Fickell /Longo offense should be called the “Clown” offense. 30 yard cross field passes to net 3 yards. RBs handed off to 6 yards behind LOS needing 1 yard. RPO with a QB who does not run.
Not to mention zero discipline on the OL with stupid penalties on any positive play.
When you are getting trucked by the worst team in the B10, what are you?
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Badgers coming back. This would be a big win on the road
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Either ND will lose, or martyr Dabo will have blown a huge lead. Win-win!
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UConn down 56-3 to Tennessee mid 3rd quarter. #Big12Strong
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ND pissing down their leg.
Boo hoo
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ND pissing down their leg.
Boo hoo
Good!
Any day that ND and Madison both lose is a good one!
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Badgers loss hurts Marquette’s cause.
Nebraska with an encouraging loss against Michigan State
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“Air Raid” offense, my ass. Fickell /Longo offense should be called the “Clown” offense. 30 yard cross field passes to net 3 yards. RBs handed off to 6 yards behind LOS needing 1 yard. RPO with a QB who does not run.
Not to mention zero discipline on the OL with stupid penalties on any positive play.
When you are getting trucked by the worst team in the B10, what are you?
Lollygaggers.
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and Locke isn't a "lock" to be the Badger starting QB next year, they better hope one of their incoming freshman QBs is a stud... overthrows a wide open receiver by 5 feet on a crucial 4 an 2 late in the game... he may have a strong arm but has not show n much else...
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Iowa-Northwestwrn delivering in every way
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Iowa-Northwestwrn delivering in every way
My favorite quarterback has thrown for 25 yards at the half.
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Love, hey?
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ND pissing down their leg.
Boo hoo
Delighted to see ND sucking
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pretty impressed with.Mizzou. First time seeing them play.
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Absolutely love the fact that Iowa has set two record low O/U’s and will comfortably be under on both. Keep lowering the bar.
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Army shoots down Air Force in a big upset
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ND pissing down their leg.
Boo hoo
Clemson with their worst season in 15 years and a young QB struggling…still beat a top 10 ND team with an 8th year senior QB who can almost can rent a car without issue. ;D ;D
In related failure, USC should fire Alex Grinch at halftime. Come out hot against Washington, offense is clicking. Tons of momentum as they block a punt and score 2 plays later…then the D gives up a TD pass on 3rd and 18 while Penix is running for his life.
They respond quickly with a great TD drive…then on 3rd and 3 they give up a 52 yd TD run. Unfathomly bad D
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Both these games tonight are insane. (Not the Michigan / Purdue one.)
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Both these games tonight are insane. (Not the Michigan / Purdue one.)
Spencer Hall: "This game found all the pac-12 after dark left in the liquor cabinet and is drinking it all tonight"
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Tyler from Spartanburg clearly made the difference.
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Spencer Hall: "This game found all the pac-12 after dark left in the liquor cabinet and is drinking it all tonight"
Crazy watching Washington vs USC after watching Wisc vs Indiana suck fest. Or the Iowa vs NW suck fest. Or the Ill vs Minn suck fest. Or the Michigan State vs Nebraska suck fest.
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If that isn't targeting (LSU-Bama), I don't know what is.
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Crazy watching Washington vs USC after watching Wisc vs Indiana suck fest. Or the Iowa vs NW suck fest. Or the Ill vs Minn suck fest. Or the Michigan State vs Nebraska suck fest.
Big Ten football (with a few exceptions) is awful.
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The more I watch Caleb Williams, the more I’m concerned about his play progressing at the next level.
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The more I watch Caleb Williams, the more I’m concerned about his play progressing at the next level.
Agree. The holding the ball and always looking to extend the play is going to lead to a lot of hits at the next level.
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Big Ten football (with a few exceptions) is awful.
The good news is that USC and Washington will be in the Big Ten next year!
The more I watch Caleb Williams, the more I’m concerned about his play progressing at the next level.
Totally agree. If he survives physically - and that's a big if - he's gonna make a ton of mistakes. Exciting as hell player, though.
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I was impressed by Penix
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Good!
Any day that ND and Madison both lose is a good one!
Really enjoying the start of the Luke Fickell era in my little corner of the world.
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I was impressed by Penix
I actually like Penix more than Williams. His throwing motion is a concern, but I prefer his decision making. He has a cannon, motion aside
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I will say there is nobody in college football I enjoy watching more than Caleb Williams, flaws and all.
Every game, he pulls off about a dozen Houdini moves, he makes numerous "did you see that?" throws, and he's a powerful (and often reckless) runner when forced to scramble. He also wears his emotions on his sleeve, which was at its highest level after last night's highly entertaining game. Even his mistakes are exciting.
He's another one who would have benefited by being allowed to go to the NFL after last season. He unquestionably would have been the #1 pick. I'm sure he's making incredible NIL money, but he's also putting his body at risk over and over and over again.
If I were his agent, I'd advise him to sit out the Beef O'Brady or whatever meh bowl USC goes to. (If his NIL contract allows him to do so.)
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I actually like Penix more than Williams. His throwing motion is a concern, but I prefer his decision making. He has a cannon, motion aside
They showed a stat during the game that Penix only had like 11% of his throws from outside the pocket, which was super low compared to rest of college.
To succeed in the NFL, you have to be more of a pocket passer or at least have that ability, regardless of your athleticism.
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I was pretty critical of Milroe a few weeks back but he has taken some big strides the last few weeks. Changes the ceiling for Bama if he’s playing at a high level.
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Colorado moves to 4-5 on the season after loss to Oregon State.
The Buffs got enough early hype in the season to secure many good prospects going forward .
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Really enjoying the start of the Luke Fickell era in my little corner of the world.
I'm no Badger fan but I still like the hire and think Fickell will do well. I'd be higher on him if the Big10 was keeping the divisions. Big10 West = AAC.
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Low scoring Hawkeye games reminiscent of early 70s Big Ten Football
Winning on last second field goal at Wrigley had to be excellent for their fan base
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I'm no Badger fan but I still like the hire and think Fickell will do well. I'd be higher on him if the Big10 was keeping the divisions. Big10 West = AAC.
The Air Raid isn’t going to work in Wisconsin. It’s Rich Rod at Michigan. If he came in and ran the type of offense he did with Desmond Ridder, I’d like his chances more. The Badger offense worked and would have been deadly had they ever had a mobile QB like when Wilson was there. Christ’s largest failure was failing to find a QB who could consistently move the chains with his legs to complement their power run game.
Now that they don’t have the advantage of playing in the Big Ten West, I don’t see them as a legit threat to win Big Ten titles. They might find a year or two getting into the playoff but with the expansion of it, they’ll never be serious threats.
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Low scoring Hawkeye games reminiscent of early 70s Big Ten Football
Winning on last second field goal at Wrigley had to be excellent for their fan base
No, the fanbase actually didn’t like it. With their defense and special teams, most of them would prefer not to be a laughingstock nationally on offense because then maybe they’d be a real threat to win something.
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Low scoring Hawkeye games reminiscent of early 70s Big Ten Football
All you need are adds for seeds or fertilizer.
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The Air Raid isn’t going to work in Wisconsin. It’s Rich Rod at Michigan. If he came in and ran the type of offense he did with Desmond Ridder, I’d like his chances more. The Badger offense worked and would have been deadly had they ever had a mobile QB like when Wilson was there. Christ’s largest failure was failing to find a QB who could consistently move the chains with his legs to complement their power run game.
Now that they don’t have the advantage of playing in the Big Ten West, I don’t see them as a legit threat to win Big Ten titles. They might find a year or two getting into the playoff but with the expansion of it, they’ll never be serious threats.
Christ had no failures buddy.
Anyway I am cautiously optimistic. There needs to be more talent to make up for awful recruiting. Give it a couple of years.
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Christ had no failures buddy.
Have you seen the modern Catholic Church?
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Have you seen the modern Catholic Church?
He could’ve used a better lawyer too.
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I liked the hire initially. But they seemingly have zero identity this year. Nothing flashes “bright future”. Nothing…. Transfer QBs pedestrian at best. Defense has zero playmakers. I get it that Chryst had abysmal recruiting for the past few years. But nothing flashes in this team that says things will be looking up.
The Air Raid isn’t going to work in Wisconsin. It’s Rich Rod at Michigan. If he came in and ran the type of offense he did with Desmond Ridder, I’d like his chances more. The Badger offense worked and would have been deadly had they ever had a mobile QB like when Wilson was there. Christ’s largest failure was failing to find a QB who could consistently move the chains with his legs to complement their power run game.
Now that they don’t have the advantage of playing in the Big Ten West, I don’t see them as a legit threat to win Big Ten titles. They might find a year or two getting into the playoff but with the expansion of it, they’ll never be serious threats.
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I liked the hire initially. But they seemingly have zero identity this year. Nothing flashes “bright future”. Nothing…. Transfer QBs pedestrian at best. Defense has zero playmakers. I get it that Chryst had abysmal recruiting for the past few years. But nothing flashes in this team that says things will be looking up.
Recruiting Rankings:
2024 Current: 24th
2023: 40th
2022: 41st
2021: 16th
2020: 26th
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Alex Grinch fired. Wasting Caleb Williams with a trash defense this year though.
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Alex Grinch fired. Wasting Caleb Williams with a trash defense this year though.
You can't question the decision, but the timing? After 10 games?
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The heart of his defensive philosophy was two sizes too small.
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I actually like Penix more than Williams. His throwing motion is a concern, but I prefer his decision making. He has a cannon, motion aside
Am I missing something when people mention Drake Maye in the top QB discussion? I see a 1st round guy but at 19th in QBR in college against mediocre opposition, I'm not sold as a top 5 guy.
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The heart of his defensive philosophy was two sizes too small.
Superb
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He could only get to the top through 'Max' effort.
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Christ had no failures buddy.
Anyway I am cautiously optimistic. There needs to be more talent to make up for awful recruiting. Give it a couple of years.
I’ve said it over and over when discussing whether coaches are great or not.
You win with good players. Saban is a very good coach - but he is a great recruiter. Give him Wisconsin’s talent every year and no one would be saying that he was a great coach.
Like you, I think Fickell will be fine once he gets a couple full recruiting classes.
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Sounds like a lot of Scoopers root for UW in football. If so, I’m floored. I can’t stand UW in any sport, thought their was solidarity among MU fans on that.
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Sounds like a lot of Scoopers root for UW in football. If so, I’m floored. I can’t stand UW in any sport, thought their was solidarity among MU fans on that.
It helps Marquette’s cause
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Sounds like a lot of Scoopers root for UW in football. If so, I’m floored. I can’t stand UW in any sport, thought their was solidarity among MU fans on that.
I will stand in solidarity with you, Lenny. Bucky bad.
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I will stand in solidarity with you, Lenny. Bucky bad.
I would be surprised if out- of-staters cared about any UW sport.
People who grew up in Wisconsin are a mixed bag.
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Well done
The heart of his defensive philosophy was two sizes too small.
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I’ve said it over and over when discussing whether coaches are great or not.
You win with good players. Saban is a very good coach - but he is a great recruiter. Give him Wisconsin’s talent every year and no one would be saying that he was a great coach.
Like you, I think Fickell will be fine once he gets a couple full recruiting classes.
Successful College Football Coaches are good recruiters. Look at Kansas ,now that they have a solid coach who has brought in talent, their team is in the top 20.
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Sounds like a lot of Scoopers root for UW in football. If so, I’m floored. I can’t stand UW in any sport, thought their was solidarity among MU fans on that.
When I said I was enjoying the start of the Fickell era, I meant sarcastically that I was enjoying them losing to bad teams, like yesterday.
Better my sister should start turning out tricks than I should root for UW in anything.
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I’ve said it over and over when discussing whether coaches are great or not.
You win with good players. Saban is a very good coach - but he is a great recruiter. Give him Wisconsin’s talent every year and no one would be saying that he was a great coach.
Like you, I think Fickell will be fine once he gets a couple full recruiting classes.
I disagree with that statement about Saban. Cause he's won everywhere almost immediately. Took over a meh Toledo team and immediately went 9-2 and won the conference. His early tenure at MSU wasnt amazing by Saban standards , but even then he took over a scuffling program that forfeited 4 wins the year before and immediately finished 5th in the B10 and beat a top 10 UM team.
He took over a dumpster fire at LSU that was a combined 7-15 (3-13 in the SEC) the previous 2 seasons and had them 8-4 and in the Peach Bowl year 1, a 10 win top 10 team in the Sugar Bowl year 2.
Bama was a sh**show before he arrived. 6-6 (2-6) the year before, no better than 3rd in their division in the SEC during Shula's tenure. Saban had them undefeated in the regular season by Year 2 and in the Sugar Bowl and undefeated national champs by Year 3.
He's an exceptional recruiter, there is no doubt. But there is no "wait till Saban gets his players in" needed. Maybe thats when they contend for national titles, but he's taking what he's got and winning straight away with one recruiting class at best, and thats not enough talent to completely reshape a team into a monster that quickly like he did.
Do I think he'd win National titles with Wisconsin level talent? No. Do I think Wisconsin would be a top 10-15 team the last few years with the same roster if Saban was in place of Chryst/Fickell? Absolutely.
But I agree about Fickell, as much as I hate to admit it. Once they get talent to fit the offense he wants to run, I would expect them to be with PSU right behind OSU/UM. I'm not extrapolating once Oregon, UW, and USC join yet
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I'm not extrapolating once Oregon, UW, and USC join yet
Looking forward to the real UW joining the B18G
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Am I missing something when people mention Drake Maye in the top QB discussion? I see a 1st round guy but at 19th in QBR in college against mediocre opposition, I'm not sold as a top 5 guy.
The scouts like his size, arm strength,reading progressions-comparisons range from Carson Palmer to Aaron Rogers. So, you probable are missing something. I assume they have watched more game film than you.
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The scouts like his size, arm strength,reading progressions-comparisons range from Carson Palmer to Aaron Rogers. So, you probable are missing something. I assume they have watched more game film than you.
Sounds like the Mitch Trubisky profile. ;)
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Sounds like a lot of Scoopers root for UW in football. If so, I’m floored. I can’t stand UW in any sport, thought their was solidarity among MU fans on that.
We agree on this.
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https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/08/wisconsin-still-has-a-path-to-win-the-big-ten-west/
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If anyone wants to read a nice summary of the Michigan Stalions controversy, and how absolutely dumb and absolutely awesome it has become all at the same time, I highly recommend this.
https://themessenger.com/sports/jim-harbaugh-connor-stalions-michigan-sign-stealing-investigation-suspension-ncaa
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If anyone wants to read a nice summary of the Michigan Stalions controversy, and how absolutely dumb and absolutely awesome it has become all at the same time, I highly recommend this.
https://themessenger.com/sports/jim-harbaugh-connor-stalions-michigan-sign-stealing-investigation-suspension-ncaa
I haven't read the article yet, but it is very strange that Michigan had no clue about any of this, and yet they are now experts to the point where they say everyone does it.
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If anyone wants to read a nice summary of the Michigan Stalions controversy, and how absolutely dumb and absolutely awesome it has become all at the same time, I highly recommend this.
https://themessenger.com/sports/jim-harbaugh-connor-stalions-michigan-sign-stealing-investigation-suspension-ncaa
I saw a video somewhere from the CMU vs. MSU game where the CMU ball carrier gets pushed out of bounds right by where (allegedly) Stalions was standing on the CMU sideline and you see this dude in sunglasses and a hat start to try to run away from where the action is coming as he realizes it's coming right at him, but runs into someone on the sideline so then he suddenly just starts to pull his hat down over his face and looks down at the ground. It's hilarious.
Also, while looking for that video I found this Tweet. Incredible.
https://twitter.com/BuckeyeEmpire/status/1719499000166936993
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I saw a video somewhere from the CMU vs. MSU game where the CMU ball carrier gets pushed out of bounds right by where (allegedly) Stalions was standing on the CMU sideline and you see this dude in sunglasses and a hat start to try to run away from where the action is coming as he realizes it's coming right at him, but runs into someone on the sideline so then he suddenly just starts to pull his hat down over his face and looks down at the ground. It's hilarious.
Also, while looking for that video I found this Tweet. Incredible.
https://twitter.com/BuckeyeEmpire/status/1719499000166936993
I had a pretty good idea how this story would play out when only Big Ten coaches were outraged. Rest of college football knows this happens and doesn’t want that can of worms opened.
If this was the SEC, the commissioner would have buried this before it saw the light of day, as would have Jim Delany were he still in charge of the Big Ten.
The end of this will be a two-game suspension fought in court or a heavy fine. Then Michigan will drop all their oppo information on Big Ten schools and it’ll be a circus of them eating each other alive
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I had a pretty good idea how this story would play out when only Big Ten coaches were outraged. Rest of college football knows this happens and doesn’t want that can of worms opened.
If this was the SEC, the commissioner would have buried this before it saw the light of day, as would have Jim Delany were he still in charge of the Big Ten.
The end of this will be a two-game suspension fought in court or a heavy fine. Then Michigan will drop all their oppo information on Big Ten schools and it’ll be a circus of them eating each other alive
But that's what makes this great! So yeah, teams steal signs and teams illegally scout in person. But then one program develops a crazy, over-involved system and everyone gets up in arms. I mean, he pretended to be a CMU coach!
But did they actually violate any NCAA rules? Because the are arcane, dumb and routinely ignored, no one really knows. And regardless, no one believes the NCAA is going to actually enforce them.
So now the Big Ten is being asked to do something because...unwritten rules maybe? Nobody likes Jim Harbaugh? And of course, Jim Harbaugh's attorney writes a letter that looks like it was plaigerized right off of the UM Rivals board. Like did Joey and Sam quote Ners in their letter to Wojo?
It's just another example of how beautifully crazy college football actually is. And why I will maintain until I die, that for better or worse it is the sport that best represents America.
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Biff speaks…
https://x.com/biffpoggi/status/1723053325556351324?s=46
To be honest, when you rock this on the sidelines weekly, I can’t help be trust your word…
(https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/M76PEXXTUFB6PIS3LZS4TYCUSA.jpg)
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Biff speaks…
https://x.com/biffpoggi/status/1723053325556351324?s=46
To be honest, when you rock this on the sidelines weekly, I can’t help be trust your word…
Well that is the end of the story. Fun while it lasted but Biff is the definitive word and that is that.
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But that's what makes this great! So yeah, teams steal signs and teams illegally scout in person. But then one program develops a crazy, over-involved system and everyone gets up in arms. I mean, he pretended to be a CMU coach!
But did they actually violate any NCAA rules? Because the are arcane, dumb and routinely ignored, no one really knows. And regardless, no one believes the NCAA is going to actually enforce them.
So now the Big Ten is being asked to do something because...unwritten rules maybe? Nobody likes Jim Harbaugh? And of course, Jim Harbaugh's attorney writes a letter that looks like it was plaigerized right off of the UM Rivals board. Like did Joey and Sam quote Ners in their letter to Wojo?
It's just another example of how beautifully crazy college football actually is. And why I will maintain until I die, that for better or worse it is the sport that best represents America.
I agree with all of this
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Jim can't be on the sideline...until he can get the B1G some money. If they beat PSU and OSU, he can be back for the B1G title (because if they lost that then they get no teams in the CFP) and the CFP.
Nice.
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Jim can't be on the sideline...until he can get the B1G some money. If they beat PSU and OSU, he can be back for the B1G title (because if they lost that then they get no teams in the CFP) and the CFP.
Nice.
Ohio State is SO soft
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Seems like he can be up in the booth?
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Seems like he can be up in the booth?
Honestly, he should jet pack into the stadium
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Jim can't be on the sideline...until he can get the B1G some money. If they beat PSU and OSU, he can be back for the B1G title (because if they lost that then they get no teams in the CFP) and the CFP.
Nice.
This is just the best punishment. It's largely symbolic and turns Michigan into martyrs.
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This is just the best punishment. It's largely symbolic and turns Michigan into martyrs.
The mismanagement by the Big Ten has been incredible
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The weirdest punishment for the weirdest man.
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I'm confused. Are people upset that the punishment was too light? Too harsh? Not needed?
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I'm confused. Are people upset that the punishment was too light? Too harsh? Not needed?
Yes
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Honestly, he should jet pack into the stadium
He's gonna pretend he's an assistant coach for Presbyterian and scout the next App State game.
Like did Joey and Sam quote Ners in their letter to Wojo?
Damn ... nobody's supposed to know that!
Neither of them could dunk in high school, so they worshipped the guy.
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No TRO today for Meeechigan as it won’t be decided until next Friday.
Pretty good opportunity for Sherrone Moore who is seen as a rising star in coaching ranks and might be the favorite to replace Harbaugh should be leave
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Why would you go for 2 down 14-9 at the end of the first half?
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Penn State quarterback is dreadful.
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So what exactly is the reason teams aren’t allowed to use helmet radios to make play calls in college?
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Im a very sporadic college football viewer but two things are clear
Penn State QB is rancid against any team with a pulse
James Franklin could possibly be the worst coach in college football. I think that guy literally does the wrong thing in every single situation.
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Im a very sporadic college football viewer but two things are clear
Penn State QB is rancid against any team with a pulse
Small sample size.. There are only like 3 decent teams in the Big10. Iowa is ranked and Allar hadd a good game.
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Small sample size.. There are only like 3 decent teams in the Big10. Iowa is ranked and Allar hadd a good game.
Iowa lost to PJ Fleck and gained like 3 yards a whole half. And keeps breaking betting records for unders
Of my sporadic football watching, ironically I have watched Iowa like 5 times this year. They blow.
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Iowa lost to PJ Fleck and gained like 3 yards a whole half. And keeps breaking betting records for unders
Of my sporadic football watching, ironically I have watched Iowa like 5 times this year. They blow.
You are right. Iowa's offense is beyond horrible. Their defense is pretty good, though. Aside from the PSU game,they are giving up 12 pts a game. In the PSU game Allar three for 4 TDs
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Im a very sporadic college football viewer but two things are clear
Penn State QB is rancid against any team with a pulse
James Franklin could possibly be the worst coach in college football. I think that guy literally does the wrong thing in every single situation.
Nor an expert but his record against decent teams is putrid.
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3 QBs throw 4 interceptions in Nebraska’s continued rise to dominance
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Badgers getting their ass handed to them by Nerdwestern. They have found a new Don Morton in the Luke Fickell hire.
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Is Northwestern a good 4 win team? I was just curious.
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3 QBs throw 4 interceptions in Nebraska’s continued rise to dominance
What an irrelevant program. Doubt the Big XII would take them back
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Badgers getting their ass handed to them by Nerdwestern. They have found a new Don Morton in the Like Fickell hire.
Fickell will be good. He's proven.
Probably not great but good.
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Need the Badgers to get this W to help the cause
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Is Northwestern a good 4 win team? I was just curious.
If they go to a bowl, the coach should get serious consideration for coach of the year.
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How good is getting beat by the worst team in the big 10 and then getting your ass handed to you by northwestern as a 11 point favorite. There is nothing the badgers do well. They don’t have any special players. They make horrible undisciplined mistakes. I don’t see it.
Fickell will be good. He's proven.
Probably not great but good.
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How good is getting beat by the worst team in the big 10 and then getting your ass handed to you by northwestern as a 11 point favorite. There is nothing the badgers do well. They don’t have any special players. They make horrible undisciplined mistakes. I don’t see it.
But aren't 11 teams in the B14 essentially a dumpster fire?
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How good is getting beat by the worst team in the big 10 and then getting your ass handed to you by northwestern as a 11 point favorite. There is nothing the badgers do well. They don’t have any special players. They make horrible undisciplined mistakes. I don’t see it.
Hey, I will not be upset if he flames out.
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How good is getting beat by the worst team in the big 10 and then getting your ass handed to you by northwestern as a 11 point favorite. There is nothing the badgers do well. They don’t have any special players. They make horrible undisciplined mistakes. I don’t see it.
They’ve got Nebraska at home next week. You’ll probably see it then
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Bucky will get beat by Nebraska.
They’ve got Nebraska at home next week. You’ll probably see it then
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Washington DB picks off a Utah pass and goes about 100 yards for Pick-6 ... except the moron starts celebrating before he gets into the end zone, dropping the ball at the 1, and Utah recovers.
His teammates bail him out, though, getting a safety two plays later.
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I cant believe there are players still stupid enough to drop the ball before entering the end zone.
Washington kid dropped it a full yard early. Like how the hell can you not notice that. Or hell the 3 players on wash following him as well.
Luckily they at least got a safety on the next play.
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Washington DB picks off a Utah pass and goes about 100 yards for Pick-6 ... except the moron starts celebrating before he gets into the end zone, dropping the ball at the 1, and Utah recovers.
His teammates bail him out, though, getting a safety two plays later.
I saw the video. Unreal. Not even close
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Lovin' me the start of the Luke Fickell era. Lovin' it.
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Buffalos move to 4-6 on the season with loss to Arizona Wildcats
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Lovin' me the start of the Luke Fickell era. Lovin' it.
I don’t buy the rebuild nonsense, either. Does this team look better than it did week one? The answer is clearly no.
The recruiting looks like it did under Chryst, too. They haven’t had a magical influx of top talent committing.
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Lovin' me the start of the Luke Fickell era. Lovin' it.
Are you impressed by the 'Air Raid' offense hanging 10 on NU at home?
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Badgers and Huskers have room for improvement
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Buffalos move to 4-6 on the season with loss to Arizona Wildcats
I don’t care if it’s the right strategy or if it wins my team the game, taking knees inside the 5 yard line, multiple times starting with over 1:30 left, to kick a chip shot FG is always an absolutely lame and anti climactic way to win. It’s excruciating to watch
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Yep, and next year will be uglier. No talent at QB unless a true freshman comes in. They play Alabama, @USC, and Oregon besides Penn State and @Iowa. Thats 5 losses before the season even starts. Will have to win all other games to even be bowl eligible.
I don’t buy the rebuild nonsense, either. Does this team look better than it did week one? The answer is clearly no.
The recruiting looks like it did under Chryst, too. They haven’t had a magical influx of top talent committing.
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Fickell will be good. He's proven.
Probably not great but good.
Proven? Where, at Cincinnati? That's too much of a stretch for me to conclude at this stage of his career.
Being the top team in the American Athletic Conference is like being voted the best looking dog at the Pound.
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Proven? Where, at Cincinnati? That's too much of a stretch for me to conclude at this stage of his career.
Being the top team in the American Athletic Conference is like being voted the best looking dog at the Pound.
Happy to be proven wrong. No Badger love here.
For the record, he did make it to the CFP. That would be worthy of a statue in Madison.
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Iowa continues to do their thing, setting record low o/u’s and comfortably hitting the under.
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I don’t buy the rebuild nonsense, either. Does this team look better than it did week one? The answer is clearly no.
The recruiting looks like it did under Chryst, too. They haven’t had a magical influx of top talent committing.
Yeah...the rebuilding reasoning certainly took a hit the last two weeks.
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Most amusing for me would be Fickell having 1-2 pretty good years and bolting for OSU when Day tries the NFL, after falling short of a natty again, and Wisky gets another bum. But outright failing isn’t too bad either
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Most amusing for me would be Fickell having 1-2 pretty good years and bolting for OSU when Day tries the NFL, after falling short of a natty again, and Wisky gets another bum. But outright failing isn’t too bad either
Supposedly, Mike Vrabel would take the job if it opens
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Blue Devils clawing their way back against Tar Heels . Duke just recovered an onside kick.
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Blue Devils score TD and two point after onside to move up by 3. Carolina driving with 4:00 left in game
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Did USC end up filling the DC position or just leaving it vacant until offseason?
bo nix currently 2/2 for 161 yards and 2 tds
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Carolina comes back to take lead. Duke then drives down, scores on a 4 th and 7 TD pass
Maye has one last chance to drive it for a tie or win
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Carolina ekes an FG in to tie it as time runs out . On to overtime.
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Carolina wins in double over time . Fans storm the field .
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Reports coming out that Texas A&M are about to eat $75 million and fire Jimbo Fisher.
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Iowa continues to do their thing, setting record low o/u’s and comfortably hitting the under.
Bill Parcells is on line 1.
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Reports coming out that Texas A&M are about to eat $75 million and fire Jimbo Fisher.
Buzz to Texas A&M football.
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Reports coming out that Texas A&M are about to eat $75 million and fire Jimbo Fisher.
I mean if you have the donor pockets to give $10MM a year for 7-8 years, I'm sure you can round up the buyout.
If I'm not mistaken, shockingly, A&M has the most Fortune 100 CEOs of any US university.
The biggest mistake was not just the initial contract, it was giving a fat extension after he not only didn't make the playoff, they didn't even make the SEC championship game...because Bama beat them by 28. Their record was inflated by a historically weak SEC year during COVID.
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I mean if you have the donor pockets to give $10MM a year for 7-8 years, I'm sure you can round up the buyout.
If I'm not mistaken, shockingly, A&M has the most Fortune 100 CEOs of any US university.
The biggest mistake was not just the initial contract, it was giving a fat extension after he not only didn't make the playoff, they didn't even make the SEC championship game...because Bama beat them by 28. Their record was inflated by a historically weak SEC year during COVID.
When LSU dumped Orgeron, there were rumblings he’d take that gig, too.
Good news is, a bunch of coaches about to get raises
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Good news is, a bunch of coaches about to get raises
Yes! College football coaches, teachers and firemen all due to paid what they are truly worth. :D
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It's firing season.
Next out is Boise State's Andy Avalos.
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Yes! College football coaches, teachers and firemen all due to paid what they are truly worth. :D
Firefighters and college coaches are overpaid. Teachers are underpaid.
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Penn State fires their OC. Frames will have his 6th OC since he got hired in 2014
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Penn State fires their OC. Frames will have his 6th OC since he got hired in 2014
Scapegoat
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Mississippi State fires Zach Arnett.
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Mississippi State fires Zach Arnett.
Dan Mullen, come on down
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Mississippi State fires Zach Arnett.
I'd be nervous to go to work today if I was at the game TA&M v MissSt Saturday.
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Mississippi State fires Zach Arnett.
That was purely a low risk continuation hire after Leach’s passing. He was far from qualified for an SEC job otherwise. Honestly surprised he didn’t finish the year but maybe they wanted a head start
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Northwestern expected to make David Braun its full-time coach.
He's done a great job keeping that team somewhat competitive (Big 10 West disclaimer here), but bold move hiring a guy who's never been a head coach at any level and never recruited or coached, before this year, above the FCS level.
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Northwestern expected to make David Braun its full-time coach.
He's done a great job keeping that team somewhat competitive (Big 10 West disclaimer here), but bold move hiring a guy who's never been a head coach at any level and never recruited or coached, before this year, above the FCS level.
I think this could just be a way to keep the team together now that things are going well, but the buy-out is pretty light like Arnett's was at Mississippi State. If it doesn't work out, it won't be that costly.
It's a tough gig too.
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Heisman Watch, from Yahoo Sports:
The Heisman Trophy field has become a four-horse race, with three QBs and one WR well ahead of the pack.
The contenders:
++ Bo Nix, Oregon QB (-110 at BetMGM): The senior transfer from Auburn leads the nation with a 77.7% completion rate to go along with 29 passing TDs (2nd) and a 184.7 passer rating (3rd). He's also rushed for five scores.
++ Michael Penix Jr., Washington QB (+375): The senior transfer from Indiana leads the nation with 3,533 passing yards to go along with 28 passing TDs (4th). His case is bolstered by leading a 10-0 team, with one of those wins coming against Nix and the Ducks.
++ Jayden Daniels, LSU QB (+400): The senior transfer from Arizona State leads the nation with 30 pass TDs and a 202.1 passer rating, which would rank third all-time. He's also rushed for a QB-best 918 yards and eight TDs.
++ Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State WR (+550): The junior (who didn’t transfer!) has lived up to his father's name, becoming the first Buckeye receiver with multiple 1,000-yard seasons. He ranks seventh in the nation in receiving yards (1,063) and second in TDs (12).
Best of the rest: Georgia QB Carson Beck (+3500), Alabama QB Jalen Milroe (+5000), Florida State QB Jordan Travis (+6000), Michigan QB J.J. McCarthy (+10000), USC QB Caleb Williams (+15000), North Carolina QB Drake Maye (+15000), Oklahoma QB Dillon Gabriel (+15000), Michigan RB Blake Corum (+15000).
Crazy to see the odds so long for Williams and Maye, given they were prohibitive favorites going into the season. I like Harrison, who is having an amazing, difference-making season for a possible playoff team, despite playing with a mediocre QB. But any of the 4 is certainly worthy IMHO.
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Heisman Watch, from Yahoo Sports:
The Heisman Trophy field has become a four-horse race, with three QBs and one WR well ahead of the pack.
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Crazy to see the odds so long for Williams and Maye, given they were prohibitive favorites going into the season. I like Harrison, who is having an amazing, difference-making season for a possible playoff team, despite playing with a mediocre QB. But any of the 4 is certainly worthy IMHO.
I understand the list based on the seasons they're having, but this race boils down to MH Jr. and some future trivia answers.
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Heisman Watch, from Yahoo Sports:
The Heisman Trophy field has become a four-horse race, with three QBs and one WR well ahead of the pack.
The contenders:
++ Bo Nix, Oregon QB (-110 at BetMGM): The senior transfer from Auburn leads the nation with a 77.7% completion rate to go along with 29 passing TDs (2nd) and a 184.7 passer rating (3rd). He's also rushed for five scores.
++ Michael Penix Jr., Washington QB (+375): The senior transfer from Indiana leads the nation with 3,533 passing yards to go along with 28 passing TDs (4th). His case is bolstered by leading a 10-0 team, with one of those wins coming against Nix and the Ducks.
++ Jayden Daniels, LSU QB (+400): The senior transfer from Arizona State leads the nation with 30 pass TDs and a 202.1 passer rating, which would rank third all-time. He's also rushed for a QB-best 918 yards and eight TDs.
++ Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State WR (+550): The junior (who didn’t transfer!) has lived up to his father's name, becoming the first Buckeye receiver with multiple 1,000-yard seasons. He ranks seventh in the nation in receiving yards (1,063) and second in TDs (12).
Best of the rest: Georgia QB Carson Beck (+3500), Alabama QB Jalen Milroe (+5000), Florida State QB Jordan Travis (+6000), Michigan QB J.J. McCarthy (+10000), USC QB Caleb Williams (+15000), North Carolina QB Drake Maye (+15000), Oklahoma QB Dillon Gabriel (+15000), Michigan RB Blake Corum (+15000).
Crazy to see the odds so long for Williams and Maye, given they were prohibitive favorites going into the season. I like Harrison, who is having an amazing, difference-making season for a possible playoff team, despite playing with a mediocre QB. But any of the 4 is certainly worthy IMHO.
I don’t know if he’ll win, but Jayden Daniels is the most exciting player in the sport and what he did last week to Florida was epic
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I do appreciate Michigan’s attempt at gaslighting America!
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Colorado Washington State battling tonight to keep bowl hopes alive .
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Bo Nix turning into a Heisman candidate is pretty incredible, goes to show how bad Harsin was and how Gus lost the plot towards the end. Nix showed flashes at Auburn, but he was beyond reckless, was good for at least “WTF” play a week, and general was inconsistent as hell. But he’s been a machine in Eugene
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Not worth a new thread but shutout to the Alma mater MUHS winning the state championship tonight
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Not worth a new thread but shutout to the Alma mater MUHS winning the state championship tonight
Yes. Pretty amazing given that MUHS lost something like 42-0 to Sussex earlier this year, then Franklin beat Sussex something like 35-0 in the semifinals. And then MUHS beats undefeated Franklin 27-10.
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Yes. Pretty amazing given that MUHS lost something like 42-0 to Sussex earlier this year, then Franklin beat Sussex something like 35-0 in the semifinals. And then MUHS beats undefeated Franklin 27-10.
Beating a larger high school is an impressive win for MUHS
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Colorado Buffs mauled by Washington State Cougars ,56-14. Coach Prime son repeatedly sacked and taken out of game. Buffs now 4-7 and not eligible for bowl. Cougars go to 5-6 and play Washington for the Apple Cup next week.
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My guess is that Prime won’t be there for another season.
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Including the hype heading into play and then the start to the season, Colorado was a pretty incredible story for several months.
People who wouldn't have given Colorado football even one second of their time were tuning in to watch entire games - and that includes plenty of Coloradans.
Reality hit hard, and maybe Sanders learned a couple things for his next gig - for one thing, it's nice and flashy to have skill players but you'd better have great lines on both sides of the ball. Sending his son out there behind that line borders on child abuse!
All in all, despite the losses mounting, the Prime in Colorado experiment was a success. Will be interesting to see what happens next, both for the program and for Sanders.
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Including the hype heading into play and then the start to the season, Colorado was a pretty incredible story for several months.
People who wouldn't have given Colorado football even one second of their time were tuning in to watch entire games - and that includes plenty of Coloradans.
Reality hit hard, and maybe Sanders learned a couple things for his next gig - for one thing, it's nice and flashy to have skill players but you'd better have great lines on both sides of the ball. Sending his son out there behind that line borders on child abuse!
All in all, despite the losses mounting, the Prime in Colorado experiment was a success. Will be interesting to see what happens next, both for the program and for Sanders.
Entering the season, the expectations from those who cover the sport were low. The win over TCU changed the equation based on the belief TCU was good, which they aren’t.
Colorado wasn’t supposed to be good this year and haven’t been. I don’t think he’s going to run from Colorado and I think he’s far too competitive to leave after a 4-8 season.
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Including the hype heading into play and then the start to the season, Colorado was a pretty incredible story for several months.
People who wouldn't have given Colorado football even one second of their time were tuning in to watch entire games - and that includes plenty of Coloradans.
Reality hit hard, and maybe Sanders learned a couple things for his next gig - for one thing, it's nice and flashy to have skill players but you'd better have great lines on both sides of the ball. Sending his son out there behind that line borders on child abuse!
All in all, despite the losses mounting, the Prime in Colorado experiment was a success. Will be interesting to see what happens next, both for the program and for Sanders.
If he leaves after one year it was absolutely not a success. The CU brand was tied to Prime and that’s about it. There will be no residual benefit for the Buffs.
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Including the hype heading into play and then the start to the season, Colorado was a pretty incredible story for several months.
People who wouldn't have given Colorado football even one second of their time were tuning in to watch entire games - and that includes plenty of Coloradans.
Reality hit hard, and maybe Sanders learned a couple things for his next gig - for one thing, it's nice and flashy to have skill players but you'd better have great lines on both sides of the ball. Sending his son out there behind that line borders on child abuse!
All in all, despite the losses mounting, the Prime in Colorado experiment was a success. Will be interesting to see what happens next, both for the program and for Sanders.
A success for Prime? Sure, got him back in the limelight and will likely earn him an opportunity to bolt for bigger dollars elsewhere. Success for Colorado? Who knows, but I’m pretty skeptical one year with a lot of buzz and mediocre results is what they were hoping for from all of this. And I think he absolutely goes elsewhere.
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Including the hype heading into play and then the start to the season, Colorado was a pretty incredible story for several months.
People who wouldn't have given Colorado football even one second of their time were tuning in to watch entire games - and that includes plenty of Coloradans.
Reality hit hard, and maybe Sanders learned a couple things for his next gig - for one thing, it's nice and flashy to have skill players but you'd better have great lines on both sides of the ball. Sending his son out there behind that line borders on child abuse!
All in all, despite the losses mounting, the Prime in Colorado experiment was a success. Will be interesting to see what happens next, both for the program and for Sanders.
My guess is they bring in a strong recruiting class and solid transfers. His two sons and Hunter Travis are staying another, so they should be improved in 2024. If a deal to coach his QB son in NFL materialized , I guess he would be gone. If Not, I would see him coaching the length of his contract . He makes good money and is King in Boulder.
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My guess is they bring in a strong recruiting class and solid transfers. His two sons and Hunter Travis are staying another, so they should be improved in 2024. If a deal to coach his QB son in NFL materialized , I guess he would be gone. If Not, I would see him coaching the length of his contract . He makes good money and is King in Boulder.
His kid can either go pro or stay in Boulder. He’d have to sit a year if he tried transferring to where Prime went
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Primetime takes the reins in Dallas displacing Mediocre Mike. His son is the next in line to replace Dak. Jerry Jones package deal....
His kid can either go pro or stay in Boulder. He’d have to sit a year if he tried transferring to where Prime went
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I have no idea if Sanders will stay or go.
"Success"? Maybe I oversold it, but Colorado sold out every game, the program marketed a bunch of swag nationally, and the Buffs had the entire college football world buzzing for a month solid. Not bad for a program that had been left for dead, dead, dead.
But sure, if Deion leaves in a month and the program goes back to who-gives-a-sh!t land, it probably won't have been judged a success.
We'll see!
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If he leaves after one year it was absolutely not a success. The CU brand was tied to Prime and that’s about it. There will be no residual benefit for the Buffs.
What makes you think he's gonna leave? Legitimately. I don't think he's getting a premier NCAA gig or NFL gig, so why would he bolt?
Entering the season, the expectations from those who cover the sport were low. The win over TCU changed the equation based on the belief TCU was good, which they aren’t.
Colorado wasn’t supposed to be good this year and haven’t been. I don’t think he’s going to run from Colorado and I think he’s far too competitive to leave after a 4-8 season.
Colorado was HORRIBLE before he arrived. Truly terrible. Last night was bad, and the choke against Stanford was horrible, but other than that, all things considered, they've not been bad since the Oregon debacle. Competitive against USC, good comeback win against ASU on the road, competitive all game at UCLA, hung around against a good Oregon State team, competitive against a pretty good Zona team. Again, the program was 1-11 last year. Being in striking distance against top 25 teams while still having HUGE holes in your roster is a success.
And I agree, I don't think he's leaving. He'll get another good set of transfers, keep recruiting, and CU is a 8-5 type team next year.
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Provided Primetime stays, he will have way more wins next year than Fickell... Wisconsin has 5 losses before the season starts (Alabama, @USC, Penn State, @Iowa, Oregon). How many will they win of Purdue , @Rutgers, @NW, @Nebraska, Minn)? Lets be positive and say 3. With 2 cupcakes, that's a 5 - 7 season in Fickell's Y2.
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I don't think he's leaving. He'll get another good set of transfers, keep recruiting, and CU is a 8-5 type team next year.
Sanders knows more football than any of us, so he knows he needs much, much better guys in the trenches. It's not as easy to build those groups, especially the offensive line, via the portal. Plug-and-play works less there, and continuity is valuable.
He made college football more interesting this year, so I hope he gets it done.
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Yale upset Harvard . Outcome created three way tie for Ivy League Championship . Yale, Harvard and Dartmouth share the crown.
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Yale upset Harvard . Outcome created three way tie for Ivy League Championship . Yale, Harvard and Dartmouth share the crown.
Those guys can't figure out some statistical metric to decide the champion??
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Clemson up 28-14 over Carolina heading into fourth quarter at Death Valley. UNC defense is suspect.
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bret bielama seems to have a growth spurt or 3 left in him, eyn'a?
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Kinda laughing at the thought of Lincoln Riley coaching at A&M next year. On the one hand, there is no way that should happen.
On the other, I can completely see A&M doing this.
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Kinda laughing at the thought of Lincoln Riley coaching at A&M next year. On the one hand, there is no way that should happen.
On the other, I can completely see A&M doing this.
Would be completely on brand for A&M.
On a unrelated note, Jordan Travis just went off with a serious injury. The Noles are toast.
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Would be completely on brand for A&M.
On a unrelated note, Jordan Travis just went off with a serious injury. The Noles are toast.
Yep. Foot was pointing the wrong way.
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Dolly and Payton at the Tennessee Georgia game. Georgia romped but the Vols fans enjoyed Rocky Top.
https://twitter.com/Vol_Football/status/1726007308898164910?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1726007308898164910%7Ctwgr%5E681176c1f883c41ca319a5710bc3107894cd342e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fncaaf%2F2023%2F11%2F18%2Fdolly-parton-rocky-top-tennessee-football-peyton-manning%2F71638531007%2F
https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/1725991255434285080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1725991255434285080%7Ctwgr%5E3a9b6b11fc36f28bff300860644eb5e4e473995c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fncaaf%2F2023%2F11%2F18%2Fdolly-parton-rocky-top-tennessee-football-peyton-manning%2F71638531007%2F
https://www.wbir.com/video/life/people/dolly-parton/dolly-parton-sings-rocky-top-with-vols-fans-at-neyland-stadium/51-81c35cde-5748-48ec-a447-00d615373339
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The Badgers have limited talent
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The Badgers have limited talent are irrelevant
FIFY
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Huskers have room for improvement
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shocked the badgers won after being down a quick 14-0.
Maybe some hope for Fickell...
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shocked the badgers won after being down a quick 14-0.
Maybe some hope for Fickell...
Great result for Marquette
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First loss for James Madison, seemingly ending their threat of bowl-related litigation against the NCAA.
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From The Athletic:
Colorado coach Deion Sanders continues to unravel as his Buffaloes endure a 1-7 stretch. Early this season, he was incredible, leading Colorado to a top-20 ranking and winning more than anyone could’ve dreamed with a team that’d gone 1-11 the year prior. Since, he’s changed play-callers (didn’t work out well) and, after two commitments reneged, is now decrying the entire recruiting process.
Specifically, Sanders said he wishes the NCAA would ban visits for any player committed to a school, which is funny, considering he famously poached from his own alma mater on Signing Day. Anyway, unrelated: Colorado’s 2024 recruiting class ranks 70th, according to 247, sandwiched between Coastal Carolina and Miami (Ohio) … and below Colorado State.
He also said he knows his roster has holes, but has no plans to use money to fix it in the offseason.
“We’re not an ATM. That’s not gonna happen here,” Sanders said Tuesday. “If you come to Colorado to play football for me and the Colorado Buffaloes, it’s because you really want to play football and receive a wonderful education.
“All the business stuff will be handled on the backend. But we are not an ATM. You’re not coming here to get rich unless you’re really coming here with a plan to go to the NFL and get your degree. Not to come here and be Moneybagg Yo. That’s a rapper, right?”
Nine prospects are currently committed to Colorado’s 2024 class, which ranks 69th nationally and includes a pair of four-star prospects.
“We want players that want us,” Sanders said. “Trying to convince somebody and doing that, being held hostage financially, we ain’t with that.
“We’re not going to buy anybody whatsoever,” Sanders continued. “We have tremendous needs. I’m pretty sure everybody in the country knows what we need and how much we need. That’s not a secret and recruits are responding.
“Trust me, there’s not a day that goes by that kids aren’t blowing our recruiting staff up. They’re calling and we’re responding.”
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Nova finished the regular season 9-2. Heading into the FCS playoffs as the 8 seed
https://villanova.com/news/2023/11/19/villanova-earns-no-8-seed-in-division-i-football-championship-will-host-second-round-game-on-saturday-december-2-against-duquesne-youngstown-state-winner.aspx
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O/U in Nebraska-Iowa is 24.5
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O/U in Nebraska-Iowa is 24.5
Huskers need a second half rally to become Bowl Eligible.
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Huskers need a second half rally to become Bowl Eligible.
Nobody cares. It’s an irrelevant program. With the new Big Ten next year, it’ll be even more irrelevant. It’s new ceiling is Iowa
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Nobody cares. It’s an irrelevant program. With the new Big Ten next year, it’ll be even more irrelevant. It’s new ceiling is Iowa
Living in Omaha, I love every second of it
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Living in Omaha, I love every second of it
People think they’ll be good again because they were good from the 70’s to 90’s. Those days are gone and dead. Plus, everyone has access to the good steroids
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That game was so beautifully bad. The Big 10 Westiest of ways to end the Big Ten West.
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Hope you took the over in the TCU vs OK game.
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That game was so beautifully bad. The Big 10 Westiest of ways to end the Big Ten West.
The under hits again!
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Deacon Hill for Big10 West Offensive player of the year
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Michigan State hires Oregon State’s Jonathan Smith. Solid hire with some risk since his entire coaching career has been in the Pacific Northwest.
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Entertaining game so far between Michigan and Ohio State. The Michigan crowd is so loud it’s difficult to hear the announcers at times.
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Michigan State hires Oregon State’s Jonathan Smith. Solid hire with some risk since his entire coaching career has been in the Pacific Northwest.
Very good hire for MSU. Surprised he left even with the death of the P12. Thought he'd holdout for a better job.
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Michigan State hires Oregon State’s Jonathan Smith. Solid hire with some risk since his entire coaching career has been in the Pacific Northwest.
Also interesting, he's the first HC hire for MSU from an offensive background in 20+ years, way more if you throw out Bobby Williams.
Remains to be seen how he adapts to being in the Midwest, but what he did at Oregon State was remarkable.
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Ryan Day to A&M?
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Fickell to Ohio State would be pretty hilarious.
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People think they’ll be good again because they were good from the 70’s to 90’s. Those days are gone and dead. Plus, everyone has access to the good steroids
They haven’t been within shouting distance of relevance in a generation. They’re a few decades away from being to college football what DePaul is to college basketball.
Won something in the long distant past that is so long ago it was when a functionally different game was being played and then atrocious for all of living memory.
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Fickell to Ohio State would be pretty hilarious.
I don’t think he’d be their first choice
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Fickell to Ohio State would be pretty hilarious.
Why would Ohio State move on from Day? He'd not likely to lose to Harbaugh ever again. ;)
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I would prefer not to see the Gophers bowl eligible . So hoping the Badgers can win or tie this game
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Washington doesn’t look like a championship caliber team.
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Badgers going to win. Helps Marquette’s cause
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Badgers win The Paul Bunyan Axe. Finish regular season 7-5.
Will be interesting to see what kind of roster Luke Fickell comes up with in year two.
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Badgers win The Paul Bunyan Axe. Finish regular season 7-5.
Will be interesting to see what kind of roster Luke Fickell comes up with in year two.
Who cares
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The Iron Bowl ending was absolutely nuts.
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The Iron Bowl ending was absolutely nuts.
The SEC is so much more entertaining than the Big Ten it’s not fair.
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David Braun for Big Ten Coach of year . Wildcats go to 7-5 and win the Land of Lincoln trophy back from The Illini .
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Gators up 15-14 3:59 in the 3rd. Rivalry game at The Swamp
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The SEC is so much more entertaining than the Big Ten it’s not fair.
Better athletes + better coaches = better games.
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Mark Stoops to A&M seems like a terrible idea.
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Wolfpack mauling Tar Heels
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Mark Stoops to A&M seems like a terrible idea.
Great for Stoops. He's about hit his ceiling at UK. He's a really good coach. But he's gonna deliver a lot of 8-4s and unfortunately A&M thinks they should be Bama or Clemson, so they won't be happy.
Good hire for consistent winning New Years Day bowl contending football. Not a good hire for National Championship expectations, which A&M fans believe they deserve
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Great for Stoops. He's about hit his ceiling at UK. He's a really good coach. But he's gonna deliver a lot of 8-4s and unfortunately A&M thinks they should be Bama or Clemson, so they won't be happy.
Good hire for consistent winning New Years Day bowl contending football. Not a good hire for National Championship expectations, which A&M fans believe they deserve
And I guess it’s not happening.
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And I guess it’s not happening.
It’s a terrible and unrealistic job. They think they’re Alabama and in reality, they’re a rich man’s Arkansas
They haven’t won a conference championship since 1998, a division championship since 2010. You take the job because you get paid a crapload of money
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Holgerson out at Houston and Tom Allen out at Indiana.
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Holgerson out at Houston and Tom Allen out at Indiana.
Tom Allen’s buyout is bigger than the Charlie Weis buyout at ND. Amateurism sure pays well for some
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It’s a terrible and unrealistic job. They think they’re Alabama and in reality, they’re a rich man’s Arkansas
They haven’t won a conference championship since 1998, a division championship since 2010. You take the job because you get paid a crapload of money
A&M Cultists are hilarious. They are currently fighting and arguing with people on Twitter saying its a top 5 job. Also saying its a better job than UGA was before Kirby Smart :o
They've had only 3 10 win seasons in the last THIRTY years. They've never been a consistent year to year top 10 team except for a flukey period under RC Slocum in the early 90s when the Southwest Conference was historically bad (no other top 25 teams and UT in the wilderness under Mackovic)
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Trying to figure out what is great about the Elko hire that wasn’t great about the Stoops one.
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Trying to figure out what is great about the Elko hire that wasn’t great about the Stoops one.
Younger and has stronger ties to Texas high schools. Not a sexy hire, but might be the best hire.
Stoops has recruited Ohio well for a Kentucky coach
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A&M Cultists are hilarious. They are currently fighting and arguing with people on Twitter saying its a top 5 job. Also saying its a better job than UGA was before Kirby Smart :o
They've had only 3 10 win seasons in the last THIRTY years. They've never been a consistent year to year top 10 team except for a flukey period under RC Slocum in the early 90s when the Southwest Conference was historically bad (no other top 25 teams and UT in the wilderness under Mackovic)
Outside its willingness to pay exorbitant salaries, is A&M a Top 5 job in the SEC?
Bama, Georgia. LSU and Florida are better. Tennessee and Auburn have cases to be 5th ahead of A&M. Add in Texas and Oklahoma next year, and the Aggies are struggling to be a top 8 job in the conference.
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Younger and has stronger ties to Texas high schools. Not a sexy hire, but might be the best hire.
Stoops has recruited Ohio well for a Kentucky coach
Yea, I think the history at A&M is the biggest part for them, IMO.
I do find it funny that A&M fans were gnashing their teeth cause Stoops didn't beat anyone at UK and only beat decent SEC teams. Yet Elko's 2 years at Duke, they have one good win, Clemson to start the year which looked far less impressive as the year went on. Last year they had a soft schedule and lost to anyone decent they played. This year, post Clemson, they got smacked by all the ranked teams they played and lost to UVA.
That said, I think its still probably about the best hire they could get.
Outside its willingness to pay exorbitant salaries, is A&M a Top 5 job in the SEC?
Bama, Georgia. LSU and Florida are better. Tennessee and Auburn have cases to be 5th ahead of A&M. Add in Texas and Oklahoma next year, and the Aggies are struggling to be a top 8 job in the conference.
Oh I totally agree. It wasn't a top 5 job in the conference then, much less now
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When you fire a head coach for doing a terrible job, only sensible thing you can do is hire that same coach's former #2 to replace him!
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Arkansas bringing back Bobby Petrino as OC.
Hide the motorcycles. And interns.
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Arkansas bringing back Bobby Petrino as OC.
Hide the motorcycles. And interns.
OC for a lame duck coach who has been pretty mediocre? Ole Bobby gonna be back door scheming for that promotion.
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Arkansas bringing back Bobby Petrino as OC.
Hide the motorcycles. And interns.
https://twitter.com/AYSSPORTS/status/1729842822314971181
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Neon Deion is Sports Illustrated's Sports Person of the Year.
I think I'd have picked either Jokic or Djokovic, but I get it. The award isn't always for the "best" or the "most successful" in a given year. Who was talked about most? Who was influential? Etc etc. Sanders definitely was up there.
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Neon Deion is Sports Illustrated's Sports Person of the Year.
I think I'd have picked either Jokic or Djokovic, but I get it. The award isn't always for the "best" or the "most successful" in a given year. Who was talked about most? Who was influential? Etc etc. Sanders definitely was up there.
It's like they voted in September.
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Oregon with absolutely no idea there is a championship game being played
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Oregon with absolutely no idea there is a championship game being played
Setting up for a fun finish
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Huskies win - fun to cheer for a good UW.
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I have a friend whose son played under current Washington coach Kalen De Boer at Sioux Falls where he won three NAIA football championships. De Boer is an alum who grew up in the area, and would probably still be there winning championships but he took a chance starting as a OC at the FCS level and working his way up. An unconventional career path no doubt. My friend has absolutely nothing but good to say about him so I'm glad to see him succeed.
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Obviously he’s earned the right to not be questioned too much, but Smart calling a REALLY weird, frankly scared game.
Super conservative, refusing to throw the ball, just playing like a team holding a slim lead against a powerhouse instead of the back to back defending champs
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That’s some terrible clock management and play-calling by Georgia
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Washington, Texas, Alabama should be in. Michigan with a win. Georgia if Michigan loses. FSU? Sorry.
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Washington, Texas, Alabama should be in. Michigan with a win. Georgia if Michigan loses. FSU? Sorry.
I like that Alabama shook things up. Kind of tired of seeing Georgia win this tournament every year .
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Whoever gets left out among Georgia, Bama and Texas, I don’t want to hear the whining.
Each had an opportunity to be undefeated and sew up a bid. None could do it, leaving it in the hands of the pencil-necks.
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Washington, Texas, Alabama should be in. Michigan with a win. Georgia if Michigan loses. FSU? Sorry.
FSU has 3 yards of offense against a team that just gave up 35 to Kentucky. This is an absolutely horrible game and FSU’s QB is so over his head.
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Gus Johnson has really jumped the shark. Trying to make Iowa happen screaming only down ten at half which ignores they were down 11 at half two years ago.
Let it happen naturally, Gus.
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Iowa all but officially done.
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A 12-team playoff would have looked damn fun this year. But the dipsh*t "Alliance" between the B10, P12 and ACC put the breaks on for one year. And now two of, the back to back national champion, an undefeated ACC champion, and one loss SEC and B12 champions are going to get left out.
Not to mention Ohio State and Oregon, who look clearly out, but can beat anyone, anywhere. Throw in Missouri, Penn State, Ole Miss and Oklahoma and you would have some fun first round games as well.
Byes: Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama
First round: Ole Miss at FSU, Missouri at Ohio State, Penn State at Georgia, Oklahoma at Oregon
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Washington, Texas, Alabama should be in. Michigan with a win. Georgia if Michigan loses. FSU? Sorry.
Yep.
Too bad about Reid Jordan Travis, but without him FSU isn't one of the 10 best teams in the country, much less one of the top 4.
Thanks, Hutch!
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Michigan and Washington are locks.
Florida St should be in - undefeated and beat a very good Louisville team last night and held a high powered offense to 6 points and 188 yards. Their season average’s were 33 and 438. FSU clearly belongs, Travis or not.
Texas should be in - 1 loss like the others, with a win at Alabama. They rolled most of their opponents, with their only loss a 4 pt to the Sooners.
Alabama and Ga were unimpressive all year. Alabama just needed a comeback to beat a barely bowl eligible Auburn, and beat a bad Arkansas team by a field goal at home, where Arkansas drew within three with 11 minutes left. The SEC was clearly down this year. Neither teams resume and performances stack up against the aforementioned 4.
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The playoffs are expanding and this scenario is the reason why. Excluding an undefeated Power 6 school just to get to one loss Alabama and Texas is blatantly wrong.
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I certainly would not be outraged if FSU makes it, but it really tells teams that scheduling tough out of conference games doesn't bring value.
The ACC wasn't great this year so their best win is either LSU or Louisville. Alabama also beat LSU, but also beat Georgia and Ole Miss.
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Yep.
Too bad about Reid Travis, but without him FSU isn't one of the 10 best teams in the country, much less one of the top 4.
I’ve heard he also goes by Jordan Travis, but you’re all knowing on everything here, so will call him Reid going forward and not doubt they clearly out of the top 10 without “Reid”.
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Michigan and Washington are locks.
Florida St should be in - undefeated and beat a very good Louisville team last night and held a high powered offense to 6 points and 188 yards. Their season average’s were 33 and 438. FSU clearly belongs, Travis or not.
That "very good" Louisville team got beaten at home by Kentucky last week. A Kentucky team that lost by 28 to Bama and 38 to Georgia. That very good Louisville also lost by 17 to Pitt, which finished the season 3-9.
In other words, Louisville is not very good at all.
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I’ve heard he also goes by Jordan Travis, but you’re all knowing on everything here, so will call him Reid going forward and not doubt they clearly out of the top 10 without “Reid”.
Oh, sh*t, you got me.
Louisville must be a very good team, after all.
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That "very good" Louisville team got beaten at home by Kentucky last week. A Kentucky team that lost by 28 to Bama and 38 to Georgia. That very good Louisville also lost by 17 to Pitt, which finished the season 3-9.
In other words, Louisville is not very good at all.
They had a couple duds and aren’t great, sure. But you’re also skipping over their wins over NC St and Notre Dame who both remain in the top 20. That was an impressive defensive performance last night by the ‘Noles.
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That’s life.
Players fall just short of getting scholarships at their top targets. Coaches get passed over for better jobs. 5 candidates go for 4 job openings at a company; 1 will be disappointed. Etc etc etc.
These schools, coaches and athletes knew this year’s rules going in.
All Alabama had to do was not lose at home by double digits to Texas. All Texas had to do was not let Oklahoma go 75 yards in the final minute. All Georgia had to do was not play poorly against Bama.
Florida State did all they could do. They might just end up being victims of circumstance. That’s life, too. It ain’t always “fair.”
Here’s a chance for the leaders of the schools/teams that don’t make it to act like adults and good role models.
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That’s life.
Players fall just short of getting scholarships at their top targets. Coaches get passed over for better jobs. 5 candidates go for 4 job openings at a company; 1 will be disappointed. Etc etc etc.
These schools, coaches and athletes knew this year’s rules going in.
All Alabama had to do was not lose at home by double digits to Texas. All Texas had to do was not let Oklahoma go 75 yards in the final minute. All Georgia had to do was not play poorly against Bama.
Florida State did all they could do. They might just end up being victims of circumstance. That’s life, too. It ain’t always “fair.”
Here’s a chance for the leaders of the schools/teams that don’t make it to act like adults and good role models.
Isn’t “FSU did all they could do. They might just end up being the victims of circumstance. That’s life, too. It ain’t always ‘fair,’” the direct counter to, “I don’t want to hear any crying. All you had to do was win this game or that!”?
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R.I.P. Big Ten Championship Game (2014-23). Final tale of the tape for the Big Ten West Division:
Record: 0-10 (Wisconsin 0-4, Iowa 0-3, Northwestern 0-2, Purdue 0-1)
Average margin of defeat: 21 points
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Isn’t “FSU did all they could do. They might just end up being the victims of circumstance. That’s life, too. It ain’t always ‘fair,’” the direct counter to, “I don’t want to hear any crying. All you had to do was win this game or that!”?
Yessir. It's also a direct correlation to "That's life. It ain't always fair."
For the record, I'm fine with Fla St making it or Fla St not making it. I understand the argument either way.
Next year, some will be outraged about the 13th and 14th teams that will be "snubbed." I get it. I don't have to like it, but I get it.
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Yessir. It's also a direct correlation to "That's life. It ain't always fair."
For the record, I'm fine with Fla St making it or Fla St not making it. I understand the argument either way.
Next year, some will be outraged about the 13th and 14th teams that will be "snubbed." I get it. I don't have to like it, but I get it.
But that’s different than having an undefeated power conference champion not even make it into the Playoffs. This format is bad and FSU absolutely has a right to complain. The 13th ranked team next year complaining that they don’t get the chance to lose at Bama by 40 falls on deaf ears to me.
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That’s life.
Players fall just short of getting scholarships at their top targets. Coaches get passed over for better jobs. 5 candidates go for 4 job openings at a company; 1 will be disappointed. Etc etc etc.
These schools, coaches and athletes knew this year’s rules going in.
All Alabama had to do was not lose at home by double digits to Texas. All Texas had to do was not let Oklahoma go 75 yards in the final minute. All Georgia had to do was not play poorly against Bama.
So, you're saying if Alabama lost by 3 they'd be in?
If you want to make the case that FSU deserves to be in solely because they went undefeated, that's fine. I don't find it persuasive, but at least there's some logic to it.
But if the goal is a playoff of the best four teams - and that is, literally, the committee's mission statement - then FSU right now doesn't belong in the discussion. No one serious believes FSU without Travis is better than Bama or Georgia or Texas. FSU would be heavy dogs against any one of those teams, as well as Oregon and Ohio State.
I hope everyone who wants FSU in enjoyed last night's Big 10 game. Because that's what you're asking for.
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But that’s different than having an undefeated power conference champion not even make it into the Playoffs. This format is bad and FSU absolutely has a right to complain. The 13th ranked team next year complaining that they don’t get the chance to lose at Bama by 40 falls on deaf ears to me.
FSU has Florida on the schedule every year and added LSU the last two years. They have EARNED the 4th spot at the very least.
Bama deserves credit for doing a home and home with Texas but they lost at home.
Are they a better team today than September? Absolutely and I think they’re one of the 4-5 best teams currently. Alas, FSU would be a no-brainer if not for the QB dilemma.
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FSU’s strong defense needs to be given consideration in the evaluation process.
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So Texas gets Washington in New Orleans, and if they win, get a championship game in Houston.
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Just look at the worst losses for these teams. Texas lost to Oklahoma. Alabama lost to Texas. Georgia lost to Alabama. Florida State’s loss to…
Wait, nope!
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I remember when a one loss Ohio State team had injuries to their starting and backup QBs and jumped from outside the top 4 into the top 4, after nobody in the top 4 lost.
Hilarious stuff.
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Just look at the worst losses for these teams. Texas lost to Oklahoma. Alabama lost to Texas. Georgia lost to Alabama. Florida State’s loss to…
Wait, nope!
Bama SOS = 5
Texas SOS = 13
Florida State SOS = 58
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FSU has Florida on the schedule every year and added LSU the last two years. They have EARNED the 4th spot at the very least.
Bama deserves credit for doing a home and home with Texas but they lost at home.
Are they a better team today than September? Absolutely and I think they’re one of the 4-5 best teams currently. Alas, FSU would be a no-brainer if not for the QB dilemma.
FSU not being in, is part of the reason I don't like college Football. The playoff system, and bowl system before it was more about politics than actually naming a champion. Maybe next year when they expand the playoffs the sport will have more meaning to me.
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What an f’ing farce this committee has made this year’s playoff.
Good thing Alabama had that impressive comeback against barely bowl eligible Auburn a week ago.
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FSU will be in the Big Ten in two years
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Michigan’s reaction to getting Alabama tells me what I needed to know.
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Ron DeSantis calls for alternate slate of electors
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Ron DeSantis calls for alternate slate of electors
Tommy Tuberville vs. Ron DeSantis in a woke-off
Choose your fighter wisely
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So, you're saying if Alabama lost by 3 they'd be in?
No, I just worded it poorly, which I think you knew.
This format is bad and FSU absolutely has a right to complain.
Agree the format is bad. Agree that FSU's people have the freedom of speech.
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If it’s really just “best 4 teams and FSU clearly ain’t it” then why is Oregon not even in the discussion? They certainly look like one of the 4 best teams to me.
Two losses by a combined 6 points, both to the number 2 team in the country, one on the road and one at a neutral site. Played in the best conference this year.
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If it’s really just “best 4 teams and FSU clearly ain’t it” then why is Oregon not even in the discussion? They certainly look like one of the 4 best teams to me.
Two losses by a combined 6 points, both to the number 2 team in the country, one on the road and one at a neutral site. Played in the best conference this year.
The CFP is a mess so there's no wrong answer but for me it's Wash, Mich, Oregon, Georgia. But we need to make sure conference championships matter so we're missing 2 of the best teams
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FSU will be in the Big Ten in two years
This.
This will be remembered as the death knell of the ACC.
Anyone with a room temperature IQ now knows the ACC will actually prevent you from winning a NC.
Couldn't have happened to a more deserving conference.
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Also, the 12-team playoff will have just as much drama. Who gets the byes? Who gets the home games?
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Also, the 12-team playoff will have just as much drama. Who gets the byes? Who gets the home games?
Yep.
Heck, there's a ton of drama (and whining) when a "deserving" basketball team doesn't make the Field of 68. Buzz tried to make a federal case out of it in 2022.
Unless you invite everyone, there will always be "snubs" in all of these events.
I do admit that I feel more badly for Florida State than I do for Georgia or Oregon ... but again, that's life.
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I hate to agree with the ACC commissioner, but his point about selecting teams based upon who they think will win and not your record is obviously correct.
I seriously think they should have Vegas selecting the teams. They are independent and have a way better resume picking winners.
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This.
This will be remembered as the death knell of the ACC.
Anyone with a room temperature IQ now knows the ACC will actually prevent you from winning a NC.
Couldn't have happened to a more deserving conference.
Eh ... Clemson has done just fine in the CFP. Notre Dame has made two of the last five playoffs while playing largely an ACC schedule.
Heck, the committee chair is an ACC athletic director.
FSU wasn't excluded because of the ACC. They were excluded because their QB is hurt and they're not a great team without him.
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Eh ... Clemson has done just fine in the CFP. Notre Dame has made two of the last five playoffs while playing largely an ACC schedule.
Heck, the committee chair is an ACC athletic director.
FSU wasn't excluded because of the ACC. They were excluded because their QB is hurt and they're not a great team without him.
No, but FSU has been wanting to get out for awhile and I can see them trying to expedite this
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Eh ... Clemson has done just fine in the CFP. Notre Dame has made two of the last five playoffs while playing largely an ACC schedule.
Heck, the committee chair is an ACC athletic director.
FSU wasn't excluded because of the ACC. They were excluded because their QB is hurt and they're not a great team without him.
Your missing the point the CFP made. Look at it another way, would they keep out an undefeated Big10 or SEC and maybe B12 team?
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I hate to agree with the ACC commissioner, but his point about selecting teams based upon who they think will win and not your record is obviously correct.
I seriously think they should have Vegas selecting the teams. They are independent and have a way better resume picking winners.
Yes. It’s a beauty contest. Beauty in the eye of the beholder.
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No, but FSU has been wanting to get out for awhile and I can see them trying to expedite this
Absolutely
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If this weren’t the last year of the four team format, I think FSU would be in. The committee wouldn’t want to go into a fresh year the cloud of leaving out an undefeated major conference champion. But since next year has auto bids for the major conference champs, they felt more latitude to just pick who they thought were the better teams.
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Your missing the point the CFP made. Look at it another way, would they keep out an undefeated Big10 or SEC and maybe B12 team?
If their QB were out? Possibly.
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If their QB were out? Possibly.
That’s a really great message to send to all of college football that your qb, or other star player gets hurt and well, you’re screwed. Don’t even bother playing the rest of your games, because they’re totally irrelevant.
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Florida State plays Georgia in the Orange Bowl.
Perfect opportunity for them to prove the committee wrong.
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If their QB were out? Possibly.
A previous poster pointed out that Ohio State moved into the playoff with nobody losing in front if them and an injured QB.
TCU lost their starter in the fist game last year.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is great the ACC is getting b#tch slapped.
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That’s a really great message to send to all of college football that your qb, or other star player gets hurt and well, you’re screwed. Don’t even bother playing the rest of your games, because they’re totally irrelevant.
It's literally one of the committee's selection criteria.
Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
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Florida State plays Georgia in the Orange Bowl.
Perfect opportunity for them to prove the committee wrong.
You do understand the reality of non-CFP games in the past few years?
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Florida State plays Georgia in the Orange Bowl.
Perfect opportunity for them to prove the committee wrong.
I’ll be curious how Georgia approaches this game
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Florida State plays Georgia in the Orange Bowl.
Perfect opportunity for them to prove the committee wrong.
Or maybe since they’re human beings who know they got royally screwed today, they can’t get past it’s not the game they should be in and they say f this. Not as focused preparing for a game that’s a major letdown to be part of. Injured players saying why should I risk my future for a meaningless exhibition game?
Could easily sway either way motivational wise couldn’t it?
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TCU lost their starter in the fist game last year.
Given that Max Duggan was the runner-up for the Heisman last year, I'm not sure one could credibly argue that losing their starting QB in week was made TCU a worse team.
Do you believe FSU is one of the four best teams?
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It's literally one of the committee's selection criteria.
Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
Yeah, we know you’re fine with this utter stupidity.
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You do understand the reality of non-CFP games in the past few years?
Sure. And I suspect Georgia will be affected by it more than FSU.
FSU goes into the game with something to prove and fewer high NFL draft picks who would be apt to sit this one out.
What's Georgia got to play for?
Georgia has opened as a 12-point favorite. I imagine everyone arguing that FSU deserves a playoff spot is hammering that line.
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Yeah, we know you’re fine with this utter stupidity.
Is FSU one of the four best teams?
How much you laying on the Noles +12?
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Tale as old as time.
Is the committee supposed to select the 4 "best" teams or the 4 most deserving based on resume?
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Tale as old as time.
Is the committee supposed to select the 4 "best" teams or the 4 most deserving based on resume?
1. MISSION
The selection committee’s task will be to select the best teams, rank the teams for inclusion in the playoff and selected other bowl games and then assign the teams to sites.
https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol
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Ron DeSantis calls for alternate slate of electors
Stacey Abrams refuses to concede Georgia’s loss vs Alabama, insists the game was stolen.
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Is FSU one of the four best teams?
How much you laying on the Noles +12?
It sucks losing “Reid” Travis, but stubborn fact remains they’re unbeaten.
See my other reply to you how I feel about the Noles in a game that is one of the greatest letdowns of all time for a team to be playing in.
How are you feeling about your Tide and their strength of schedule in their game? This isn’t Auburn next for them.
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Given that Max Duggan was the runner-up for the Heisman last year, I'm not sure one could credibly argue that losing their starting QB in week was made TCU a worse team.
Do you believe FSU is one of the four best teams?
Fair about TCU. So what about OSU?
I don't think FSU is one of the four best. I'm actually in agreement with the CFP, the ACC sucks and has for years.
I think Vegas would have Mich, OSU, Bama & UGA.
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Is FSU one of the four best teams?
No, but they earned the right to be there.
Was Florida Atlantic, San Diego St or Miami one of the best teams in College basketball last year?
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Solid 16th-place finish for the Irrelevant Irish.
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Is FSU one of the four best teams?
How much you laying on the Noles +12?
What do you think a UGA v UW line would be? UW+7?
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Fair about TCU. So what about OSU?
After Barrett went down, Cardale Jones came in and extended tOSU's lead in a win over Michigan and then led them to a 59-0 shellacking of Wisconsin in the Big 10 title game. There were no signs of them being a lesser team.
I don't think anyone could credibly argue that FSU has looked as good without Travis. In fact, in two games without him, they've accumulated 224 and 219 total yards, respectively.
But if someone wants to argue that tOSU team didn't deserve a playoff bid, I'm fine with that. I'm sure TCU fans would agree.
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No, but they earned the right to be there.
Was Florida Atlantic, San Diego St or Miami one of the best teams in College basketball last year?
If you don't think they're one of the best four teams, then you shouldn't complain. The criteria isn't "teams we think earned it the most." It's "best" teams.
And that's a terrible analogy.
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After Barrett went down, Cardale Jones came in and extended tOSU's lead in a win over Michigan and then led them to a 59-0 shellacking of Wisconsin in the Big 10 title game. There were no signs of them being a lesser team.
I don't think anyone could credibly argue that FSU has looked as good without Travis. In fact, in two games without him, they've accumulated 224 and 219 total yards, respectively.
But if someone wants to argue that tOSU team didn't deserve a playoff bid, I'm fine with that. I'm sure TCU fans would agree.
Easy, Bears' fans would call the "terrific". :D
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What do you think a UGA v UW line would be? UW+7?
No, I think it would be 5 or less.
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1. MISSION
The selection committee’s task will be to select the best teams, rank the teams for inclusion in the playoff and selected other bowl games and then assign the teams to sites.
https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol
Well then I don't think, as constructed, FSU is one of the 4 best.
But I think there's a good argument for GA or Oregon
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Was Florida Atlantic, San Diego St or Miami one of the best teams in College basketball last year?
No, but they were 3 of the 68 best. Different sport, different selection criteria … as you well know.
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No, but they were 3 of the 68 best. Different sport, different selection criteria … as you well know.
Thank God for that.
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Well then I don't think, as constructed, FSU is one of the 4 best.
But I think there's a good argument for GA or Oregon
FSU did everything possible to get an invite (OOC LSU game is pretty tough). The take-a-way is the CFP thinks the ACC is dog s#&t and FSU along with Clemson, Miami and UNC (who are paying attention) are going to turbo charge the efforts to end the ACC.
Kind of funny the undefeated AAC champ was invited 2 years ago. ;D
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FSU did everything possible to get an invite (OOC LSU game is pretty tough). The take-a-way is the CFP thinks the ACC is dog s#&t and FSU along with Clemson, Miami and UNC (who are paying attention) are going to turbo charge the efforts to end the ACC.
Kind of funny the undefeated AAC champ was invited 2 years ago. ;D
The committee didn’t keep FSU out because of conference affiliation but because of the QB situation
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You can't make this sh!t up:
Boo Corrigan just said that Liberty got the G5 New Year's Six bowl berth because "Liberty just continued to win."
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FSU did everything possible to get an invite (OOC LSU game is pretty tough). The take-a-way is the CFP thinks the ACC is dog s#&t and FSU along with Clemson, Miami and UNC (who are paying attention) are going to turbo charge the efforts to end the ACC.
Kind of funny the undefeated AAC champ was invited 2 years ago. ;D
If FSU has their first string QB, I guarantee they're in right now
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If FSU has their first string QB, I guarantee they're in right now
Yup
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The committee didn’t keep FSU out because of conference affiliation but because of the QB situation
That is verifiable wrong. Last week FSU had the same QB situation they will have in the bowl game and were #4.
We'd all lose our minds (rightfully so) if TK missed the BE tournament, that we won, and was set to be back for the NCAA but we got busted down a seed line or two.
It's okay to acknowledge the CFP thinks more highly of the SEC, B10 and B12. The ACC is not very good.
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I don’t think FSU is a top 4 team right now. But I think that’s the wrong way to select the teams that make a Playoff. You select teams based off of wins and losses in every sport. Except for college football, I guess.
I also think you can absolutely make a case for Oregon, Georgia, and Ohio State. Why was only Georgia discussed, if it’s truly the job of the committee to select the “four best” teams? And why was FSU discussed at all if that’s the job of the committee, and you’re looking at the current state of the team?
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I don’t think FSU is a top 4 team right now. But I think that’s the wrong way to select the teams that make a Playoff. You select teams based off of wins and losses in every sport. Except for college football, I guess.
I also think you can absolutely make a case for Oregon, Georgia, and Ohio State. Why was only Georgia discussed, if it’s truly the job of the committee to select the “four best” teams? And why was FSU discussed at all if that’s the job of the committee, and you’re looking at the current state of the team?
Good point. You can make a great case the committee is a horrible job by having FSU #5.
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You can't make this sh!t up:
Boo Corrigan just said that Liberty got the G5 New Year's Six bowl berth because "Liberty just continued to win."
If Tulane hadn't choked against SMU yesterday, they would have had the the G5 berth with a 12-1 record, ahead of unbeaten Liberty.
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That is verifiable wrong. Last week FSU had the same QB situation they will have in the bowl game and were #4.
We'd all lose our minds (rightfully so) if TK missed the BE tournament, that we won, and was set to be back for the NCAA but we got busted down a seed line or two.
It's okay to acknowledge the CFP thinks more highly of the SEC, B10 and B12. The ACC is not very good.
No, they took Alabama because they beat Georgia and FSU has a QB problem. Your bias is always showing
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If Tulane hadn't choked against SMU yesterday, they would have had the the G5 berth with a 12-1 record, ahead of unbeaten Liberty.
From ESPN:
Strength of schedule
SMU: 76
Liberty: 133 (out of 133)
FPI
SMU: 20
Liberty: 49
Points margin/game
SMU: 23.2
Liberty: 18.1
Wins vs. FPI top 60
SMU: 2
Liberty: 0
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No, they took Alabama because they beat Georgia and FSU has a QB problem. Your bias is always showing
and took Texas because they had a win against OkSt.?
I am bias against the ACC. Guilty as charged. They were hoping to dance on the BE grave. No love lost here.
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and took Texas because they had a win against OkSt.?
I am bias against the ACC. Guilty as charged. They were hoping to dance on the BE grave. No love lost here.
They took Texas because they won at Alabama. If Georgia wins, the final spot is between FSU and Texas
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From ESPN:
Strength of schedule
SMU: 76
Liberty: 133 (out of 133)
FPI
SMU: 20
Liberty: 49
Points margin/game
SMU: 23.2
Liberty: 18.1
Wins vs. FPI top 60
SMU: 2
Liberty: 0
Are you saying SMU deserved it ahead of Liberty?
That's fine with me.
But then you can't argue for FSU's inclusion, right?
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and took Texas because they had a win against OkSt.?
They took Texas because, as with Bama, they judged (correctly, IMO) that Texas is a better team right now than FSU.
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They took Texas because, as with Bama, they judged (correctly, IMO) that Texas is a better team right now than FSU.
Yup. If Jordan Travis is healthy, the Seminoles are the 2 or 3 seed
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Are you saying SMU deserved it ahead of Liberty?
That's fine with me.
But then you can't argue for FSU's inclusion, right?
I have said this before: I agree with the FSU exclusion. I don't think they belong. I am in lock step with the conclusion that an undefeated ACC season doesn't mean crap.
I just thought it funny and extremally hypocritical to reward Liberty for 'just winning' and kick FSU to the curb for playing in a crap league. SMU should be in the NYD6 bowl way before Liberty. I guess one more gut punch to the (future) ACC ;D
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I have said this before: I agree with the FSU exclusion. I don't think they belong. I am in lock step with the conclusion that an undefeated ACC season doesn't mean crap.
I just thought it funny and extremally hypocritical to reward Liberty for 'just winning' and kick FSU to the curb for playing in a crap league. SMU should be in the NYD6 bowl way before Liberty. I guess one more gut punch to the (future) ACC ;D
I will say, though, a 1-loss team over an undefeated team without its QB is an easier sell than a two-loss team over an undefeated team that has all its key players.
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The ACC has apparently been in meetings all afternoon and hasn’t finalized their bowl opponents yet.
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I will say, though, a 1-loss team over an undefeated team without its QB is an easier sell than a two-loss team over an undefeated team that has all its key players.
I doubt if Liberty fans know if the have all their key players. ;D
Any ways, good debates and good points made all around.
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The ACC has apparently been in meetings all afternoon and hasn’t finalized their bowl opponents yet.
Kind of like the A10 after NCAA bids come out? NIT or CBI? Tough call.
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The ACC has apparently been in meetings all afternoon and hasn’t finalized their bowl opponents yet.
Seems like FSU has accepted their fate.
https://twitter.com/FSUFootball/status/1731398015909302532?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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It's a broken sport right now. FSU is right in saying predictive performance matters more than on field results, apparently. That means things need to change to be taken seriously. P5(or P4 now) Conf Champs need an auto bid. Shake out any wildcard desires after that
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This year you have undefeated ACC Champion Florida State missing the CFP. Next year you’ll have Tulane and Liberty getting automatic bids to the CFP. Awesome.
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It's a broken sport right now. FSU is right in saying predictive performance matters more than on field results, apparently. That means things need to change to be taken seriously. P5(or P4 now) Conf Champs need an auto bid. Shake out any wildcard desires after that
Next year the six highest rated conference champions will get an auto bid. That would have been the case this year had the ACC, and others, not stepped in front of playoff expansion in 2021.
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The former Bahamas Bowl has moved here and will be played in UNC-Charlotte's on-campus stadium. The game is now called the Famous Toastery Bowl, and Old Dominion and Western Kentucky will be the first combatants.
So we're lucky here in Charlotte. We now have two December college football exhibition games that few will give two shytes about.
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Portal already going crazy
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Next year the six highest rated conference champions will get an auto bid. That would have been the case this year had the ACC, and others, not stepped in front of playoff expansion in 2021.
Minor note: I think it's the 5 (not 6) highest rated conference champs. Last minute change due to the PAC12 disappearing over the Bermuda Triangle.
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The former Bahamas Bowl has moved here and will be played in UNC-Charlotte's on-campus stadium. The game is now called the Famous Toastery Bowl, and Old Dominion and Western Kentucky will be the first combatants.
So we're lucky here in Charlotte. We now have two December college football exhibition games that few will give two shytes about.
I think you underestimate the popularity of college football.
Last year's Bahamas Bowl, which kicked off at 11:30 a.m. EST on a weekday, drew 822,000 viewers.
Last year's Big East Final, played in prime time on a Saturday night, drew 980,000. And the Bahamas Bowl was the only bowl game last year with fewer viewers than the Big East Final.
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I think you underestimate the popularity of college football.
Last year's Bahamas Bowl, which kicked off at 11:30 a.m. EST on a weekday, drew 822,000 viewers.
Last year's Big East Final, played in prime time on a Saturday night, drew 980,000. And the Bahamas Bowl was the only bowl game last year with fewer viewers than the Big East Final.
Degenerates favorite month
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I think you underestimate the popularity of college football.
Last year's Bahamas Bowl, which kicked off at 11:30 a.m. EST on a weekday, drew 822,000 viewers.
Last year's Big East Final, played in prime time on a Saturday night, drew 980,000. And the Bahamas Bowl was the only bowl game last year with fewer viewers than the Big East Final.
Yay?
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Minor note: I think it's the 5 (not 6) highest rated conference champs. Last minute change due to the PAC12 disappearing over the Bermuda Triangle.
OK. That makes sense.
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Portal already going crazy
Deion Sanders and fiancée Tracey Edmonds end their relationship after 12 years together https://trib.al/IFOVObA
Damn everyone is entering the Transfer portal. ;D
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This article details the process of how The Music City Bowl and other Non Playoff Bowls figure out their match ups.
https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2023/12/behind-the-scenes-of-how-the-music-city-bowl-auburn-made-a-selection-sunday-match.html?outputType=amp
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Caleb Williams opted out of the Holiday Bowl, a no-brainer decision.
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I'm glad more people are becoming aware of how dumb college football is. The fact that they have conned millions into caring about a sport where it is only even possible for like 15 teams win the national championship is a testament to the brilliance of the NCAA, TV execs, and university leaders. Watch your team go undefeated and get rewarded with an exhibition game, what a joke.
12 team playoff will make it a little better but my god that past 100 years have been dumb.
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I'm glad more people are becoming aware of how dumb college football is. The fact that they have conned millions into caring about a sport where it is only even possible for like 15 teams win the national championship is a testament to the brilliance of the NCAA, TV execs, and university leaders. Watch your team go undefeated and get rewarded with an exhibition game, what a joke.
12 team playoff will make it a little better but my god that past 100 years have been dumb.
It's the pageantry!
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I'm glad more people are becoming aware of how dumb college football is. The fact that they have conned millions into caring about a sport where it is only even possible for like 15 teams win the national championship is a testament to the brilliance of the NCAA, TV execs, and university leaders. Watch your team go undefeated and get rewarded with an exhibition game, what a joke.
I too feel bad for Liberty.
If anything has spoiled college football, it's the mindset that the national championship is the only thing that matters, rendering any other accomplishment by the other 132 teams meaningless. There was a time not that long ago when getting invited to the Orange Bowl or the Cotton Bowl meant you had a hugely successful season. Now, unless it's one of the playoff games, it's a meaningless exhibition game and a joke?
It's the "nothing-short of-a-title" mentality that has stolen the joy of the game, not the fact that only a handful of teams have a realistic shot at a title. That has always been the case.
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I too feel bad for Liberty.
If anything has spoiled college football, it's the mindset that the national championship is the only thing that matters, rendering any other accomplishment by the other 132 teams meaningless. There was a time not that long ago when getting invited to the Orange Bowl or the Cotton Bowl meant you had a hugely successful season. Now, unless it's one of the playoff games, it's a meaningless exhibition game and a joke?
It's the "nothing-short of-a-title" mentality that has stolen the joy of the game, not the fact that only a handful of teams have a realistic shot at a title. That has always been the case.
Meh. I think it's more the going undefeated and winning a power 5 conference championship and not even getting to COMPETE for the title that is the problem. I'm sure FSU would be happy to play in the Orange Bowl against Georgia had they lost to Louisville. Or LSU. Or any of their opponents this year. But expecting an undefeated power 5 conference champion to be like, "Woo hoo! Orange Bowl means the world to us!" is, well, a joke.
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Meh. I think it's more the going undefeated and winning a power 5 conference championship and not even getting to COMPETE for the title that is the problem. I'm sure FSU would be happy to play in the Orange Bowl against Georgia had they lost to Louisville. Or LSU. Or any of their opponents this year. But expecting an undefeated power 5 conference champion to be like, "Woo hoo! Orange Bowl means the world to us!" is, well, a joke.
I'm not speaking only of FSU here. Georgia and it's fans are bummed to be in the Orange Bowl. Fans of teams like Oregon, tOSU, Penn State, etc., think they had bad seasons.
This is all supposed to be fun. When you're sad about going 12-1, you've sucked the joy out it.
As for FSU, they have every right to feel angry. But they're still not one of the four best teams.
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As for FSU, they have every right to feel angry. But they're still not one of the four best teams.
Could probably say the same about UW and Texas.
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I'm not speaking only of FSU here. Georgia and it's fans are bummed to be in the Orange Bowl. Fans of teams like Oregon, tOSU, Penn State, etc., think they had bad seasons.
This is all supposed to be fun. When you're sad about going 12-1, you've sucked the joy out it.
As for FSU, they have every right to feel angry. But they're still not one of the four best teams.
Agreed. But that's why college football is a joke. Their motto is (or at least at some point was) "Every game matters." It never has. Every game for Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, and a couple random teams that pop up year to year matter. But the idea that some dudes sitting around a room just get to decide the 4 best teams rather than taking into account what actually played out over a 13 game season is a complete joke.
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It's the "nothing-short of-a-title" mentality that has stolen the joy of the game
That's the case in all sports, pro and college. (And even top-level high school.)
More than just a few Marquette fans thought we had a decent shot at the national title last season. I was really bummed when reality hit. And then I got over it and appreciated the entirety of the season. Same will be true for most fans of college football teams that don't win the title this season, but sometimes it's hard to get over a "catastrophic" loss.
I mean, Red Sox fans STILL can't reference Bucky Dent without inserting an expletive in his name. That's just sports.
In college football, the alternative is going back to when AP voters decided the national championship. Not sure if you're saying you'd prefer that, but if so I think you'd be in the minority.
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Could probably say the same about UW and Texas.
Maybe, but it's a much harder case to make.
FSU simply was not a worthy team once Travis went out.
In 11 games with Travis at quarterback, the offense averaged 38.3 points per game and 444.7 total yards. In the two games without him, they averaged 20 points and 221.5 total yards.
For perspective, Iowa had the worst offense in FBS this year. It averaged 238.8 yards per game.
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In college football, the alternative is going back to when AP voters decided the national championship. Not sure if you're saying you'd prefer that, but if so I think you'd be in the minority.
No, I'm saying the singular focus on the national title brought about first by the BCS and then the playoff has robbed the joy of other accomplishments and successes.
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I'm glad more people are becoming aware of how dumb college football is. The fact that they have conned millions into caring about a sport where it is only even possible for like 15 teams win the national championship is a testament to the brilliance of the NCAA, TV execs, and university leaders. Watch your team go undefeated and get rewarded with an exhibition game, what a joke.
12 team playoff will make it a little better but my god that past 100 years have been dumb.
Agreed. But that's why college football is a joke. Their motto is (or at least at some point was) "Every game matters." It never has. Every game for Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, and a couple random teams that pop up year to year matter. But the idea that some dudes sitting around a room just get to decide the 4 best teams rather than taking into account what actually played out over a 13 game season is a complete joke.
It's all about how the top football playing schools don't want to share revenue with the NCAA - much of it due to the animosity that existed for years between those schools and the NCAA.
This is why you had a series of bowl games with the "champion" being determined by the polls. Even the BCS is a relatively recent thing.
And yet college football is the second most popular sport in the country.
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No, I'm saying the singular focus on the national title brought about first by the BCS and then the playoff has robbed the joy of other accomplishments and successes.
I don't agree with that at all. It certainly seemed like schools like Boise and SMU were happy to win their conferences. College football television ratings are huge. It seems like there is plenty of joy by both teams and fans.
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I don't agree with that at all. It certainly seemed like schools like Boise and SMU were happy to win their conferences. College football television ratings are huge. It seems like there is plenty of joy by both teams and fans.
Because I am too lazy to look (or too dumb to find it), how are the attendance numbers (both at games and TV ratings) for the bowls pre and post playoff system?
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Because I am too lazy to look (or too dumb to find it), how are the attendance numbers (both at games and TV ratings) for the bowls pre and post playoff system?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-attendance-rose-in-2022-with-largest-year-over-year-increase-since-1982/
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I don't agree with that at all. It certainly seemed like schools like Boise and SMU were happy to win their conferences. College football television ratings are huge. It seems like there is plenty of joy by both teams and fans.
Boise State was enjoying their success so much this year they fired the coach.
Anyhow, I wouldn't go so far as to equate interest with joy. People are undoubtedly interested and passionate, but I imagine if you spent some time on an Ohio State or Penn State fan board, you wouldn't get a sense of joy emanating from the diehards.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-attendance-rose-in-2022-with-largest-year-over-year-increase-since-1982/
Thanks, but that link is for all games. That shows 7+ years of attendance drop until last year. Would not have guessed that.
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Boise State was enjoying their success so much this year they fired the coach.
Anyhow, I wouldn't go so far as to equate interest with joy. People are undoubtedly interested and passionate, but I imagine if you spent some time on an Ohio State or Penn State fan board, you wouldn't get a sense of joy emanating from the diehards.
Oh come on. Do you really think that fan message boards full of whacky die-hards is a way to measure joy? And that somehow fanbases were happier and more patient back in the day?
In 1987, Ohio State fired Earle Bruce the year after he won the Big Ten title, the Cotton Bowl and finished in the top 10. Which was the 8th year in a row of finishing in the top 15.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-attendance-rose-in-2022-with-largest-year-over-year-increase-since-1982/
The clear downward trend is and has been a concern for CF. I don't think it is an major concern level but it is a point of discussion in athletic departments and conferences. I'd guess the offset of TV makes it a back burner issue.
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Boise St is a funny situation.
They fired a decent coach cause he wasn’t gonna have them contending for for New Years bowls and probably foresaw he wouldn’t have them in contention for those new qualifying spots next year. They closed the year strong but were 5-5 mid season when he was fired and had been garbage in non-MWC most of his tenure.
SMU and BSU aren’t good comps. BSU is the most successful non-P5 program (now that TCU is in the B12) over the last 20 years. Not being top and winning their conference most years won’t cut it. They certainly enjoyed the end of the season but that’s mostly based in hope for the interim (now new HC) moving forward with this success.
SMU on the other hand hasn’t won a conference title in almost 40 years. Sonny Dykes was the first HC with a winning record there since the death penalty and even he finished no better than 3rd in the AAC. So their perspective is totally different
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No, I'm saying the singular focus on the national title brought about first by the BCS and then the playoff has robbed the joy of other accomplishments and successes.
One of my best friends is a Georgia alum and huge football fan. I seriously don't personally know anybody who more lives and dies by the success/failure of his favorite college football program.
After the loss to Bama, he spent way too much time on his preferred Bulldogs fan board, mostly writing sad/angry crud. And then Sunday, when Georgia was officially shut out of the title chase, he went into what his wife called "a deep funk." Didn't eat the rest of the day.
By the next day, he was OK. Last night, he and a couple of his fellow fans bought tickets to the Orange Bowl. Right now, he's on the golf course, enjoying our 60 degrees and sun. He still wishes they beat Bama. He still thinks Georgia got "jobbed." But he's already 90% over it, already appreciating the incredible run that Georgia gave its fans.
For almost any rational human being, the disappointment fades -- just as it did for most of us here re MU's loss to Michigan State.
For those who it really permanently "robbed the joy of other accomplishments and successes," as you state ... well, sorry, but they need to effen get lives.
If my friend can move on - and he already mostly has - anybody can and should.
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Boise St is a funny situation.
They fired a decent coach cause he wasn’t gonna have them contending for for New Years bowls and probably foresaw he wouldn’t have them in contention for those new qualifying spots next year. They closed the year strong but were 5-5 mid season when he was fired and had been garbage in non-MWC most of his tenure.
SMU and BSU aren’t good comps. BSU is the most successful non-P5 program (now that TCU is in the B12) over the last 20 years. Not being top and winning their conference most years won’t cut it. They certainly enjoyed the end of the season but that’s mostly based in hope for the interim (now new HC) moving forward with this success.
SMU on the other hand hasn’t won a conference title in almost 40 years. Sonny Dykes was the first HC with a winning record there since the death penalty and even he finished no better than 3rd in the AAC. So their perspective is totally different
Isn't SMU a real threat to becoming big time? Didn't they just raise something like $100M in 24hours?
SMU with the cache of the ACC and the massive financial backing should surpass BSU as a power program.
SMU and TCU are real outliers in college sports. Both have similarities to MU (size, religious affiliations, urban campuses) but the oil money is a game changer. I think TCU just finished a fund raiser for $1B and raised $1.2B :o
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For those who it really permanently "robbed the joy of other accomplishments and successes," as you state ... well, sorry, but they need to effen get lives.
If my friend can move on - and he already mostly has - anybody can and should.
I think you're taking my comments to an extreme to which they were never intended. If you thought I was suggesting Georgia and tOSU fans are all on permanent suicide watch, I obviously wasn't very eloquent with my words.
Ask your friend sometime whether he believes Georgia had a great season.
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I think you're taking my comments to an extreme to which they were never intended. If you thought I was suggesting Georgia and tOSU fans are all on permanent suicide watch, I obviously wasn't very eloquent with my words.
Ask your friend sometime whether he believes Georgia had a great season.
I'll ask him in a month. He'll say yes but he'll wish is were even greater, as the previous two seasons were.
Yes, "robbed the joy of other accomplishments and successes" is pretty extreme. And they were your words.
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Yes, "robbed the joy of other accomplishments and successes" is pretty extreme. And they were your words.
Are Georgia fans celebrating an invite to the Orange Bowl? Are Oregon fans excited for the Fiesta Bowl?
If not, the joy of those successes has been robbed. Doesn't mean people won't watch and cheer on their teams. Just that they'll feel like it's a letdown. That's not extreme.
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Are Georgia fans celebrating an invite to the Orange Bowl? Are Oregon fans excited for the Fiesta Bowl?
If not, the joy of those successes has been robbed. Doesn't mean people won't watch and cheer on their teams. Just that they'll feel like it's a letdown. That's not extreme.
It’s interesting the reaction to bowl games for some fan bases. Barry Alvarez did an incredible job convincing Wisconsin fans all bowls are important for a program and many still believe it. Coaches in general really make a point of it to talk about how important all bowls are in the big picture and the media for the most part helps sell it.
I’ll be curious how it gets sold by coaches a year from now when the playoff expands.
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It’s interesting the reaction to bowl games for some fan bases. Barry Alvarez did an incredible job convincing Wisconsin fans all bowls are important for a program and many still believe it. Coaches in general really make a point of it to talk about how important all bowls are in the big picture and the media for the most part helps sell it.
I’ll be curious how it gets sold by coaches a year from now when the playoff expands.
Extra practice time; the true benefit of bowls.
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Are Georgia fans celebrating an invite to the Orange Bowl? Are Oregon fans excited for the Fiesta Bowl?
If not, the joy of those successes has been robbed. Doesn't mean people won't watch and cheer on their teams. Just that they'll feel like it's a letdown. That's not extreme.
I just told you my friend already bought his Orange Bowl ticket. Is he "celebrating" today? Probably not. Are you still "celebrating" Marquette's Big East title? I'm not. I thoroughly enjoyed last season despite its bitter ending, but it's a new season now with hopefully new things to celebrate.
In every sport at every level, there is a champion in every season. Fans of teams with legit championship aspirations that aren't able to see those aspirations realized will always experience a letdown. Again, I experienced a letdown when we fell to Michigan State. Didn't you?
If such things rob fans of all joy, that's on them.
We don't need to keep going round and round on this, Pak. I guess we'll just agree to disagree.
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We don't need to keep going round and round on this, Pak.
Of course we do. It's the first and second rule of Scoop Debate Club.
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A stellar use of taxpayer money.
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/football/2023/12/05/fsu-football-snub-desantis-sets-aside-1-million-for-possible-legal-fight/71808282007/
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Isn't SMU a real threat to becoming big time? Didn't they just raise something like $100M in 24hours?
SMU with the cache of the ACC and the massive financial backing should surpass BSU as a power program.
SMU and TCU are real outliers in college sports. Both have similarities to MU (size, religious affiliations, urban campuses) but the oil money is a game changer. I think TCU just finished a fund raiser for $1B and raised $1.2B :o
Yes, I don’t disagree. They have a lot of potential. But that doesn’t change the fact that they have been in the wilderness for a LOOONNNGGG time and this season was the biggest success since the Pony Express days. So saying their fan base enjoyed the season, as a way of saying title contention isn’t needed for happiness, is just lacking context compared to other programs that fell short
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Bad decision to bet on the Hawkeyes' offense.
Local beer lovers rejoiced despite the University of Iowa's double-digit Big Ten Championship loss to Michigan on Dec. 2, capitalizing on a unique promotion.
X-Golf Cedar Rapids, a high-tech golf simulator, poured 150 free beers Saturday, bolstered by one of the most anemic offenses in school history.
X-Golf (which also has a location in Coralville) pledged to pour free beer until the Hawkeyes scored Saturday.
Iowa never scored a point, losing 26-0 to the now top-ranked and undefeated Michigan Wolverines in Indianapolis, Indiana, paving the way for more than three hours of free drinks.
https://www.press-citizen.com/story/sports/college/iowa/iowa-football/2023/12/05/x-golf-cedar-rapids-goes-viral-for-free-beer-promotion-during-big-ten-championship/71801391007/
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Bad decision to bet on the Hawkeyes' offense.
Local beer lovers rejoiced despite the University of Iowa's double-digit Big Ten Championship loss to Michigan on Dec. 2, capitalizing on a unique promotion.
X-Golf Cedar Rapids, a high-tech golf simulator, poured 150 free beers Saturday, bolstered by one of the most anemic offenses in school history.
X-Golf (which also has a location in Coralville) pledged to pour free beer until the Hawkeyes scored Saturday.
Iowa never scored a point, losing 26-0 to the now top-ranked and undefeated Michigan Wolverines in Indianapolis, Indiana, paving the way for more than three hours of free drinks.
https://www.press-citizen.com/story/sports/college/iowa/iowa-football/2023/12/05/x-golf-cedar-rapids-goes-viral-for-free-beer-promotion-during-big-ten-championship/71801391007/
150 free beers total in 3 hours?
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A stellar use of taxpayer money.
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/football/2023/12/05/fsu-football-snub-desantis-sets-aside-1-million-for-possible-legal-fight/71808282007/
At first glance, I agree it's dumb. But is paying a football coach $6M per year a wise use of taxpayer money? The dollars are so significant that the $1M isn't concerning if you view the football program as an investment. If it turns out any legal action is without merit, then I agree it is a waste of money (that has not been spent yet).
If, and it is a gigantic if, the state could win, say, a $4M judgment, then it would be a wise use of taxpayer money.
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150 free beers total in 3 hours?
WEAK!
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At first glance, I agree it's dumb. But is paying a football coach $6M per year a wise use of taxpayer money? The dollars are so significant that the $1M isn't concerning if you view the football program as an investment. If it turns out any legal action is without merit, then I agree it is a waste of money (that has not been spent yet).
If, and it is a gigantic if, the state could win, say, a $4M judgment, then it would be a wise use of taxpayer money.
They're not getting a dime, and it's unlikely any suit will be filed. It's a performative gesture to appease meatheads.
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Extra practice time; the true benefit of bowls.
Which is BS nowadays.
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Which is BS nowadays.
I don't follow. What has become BS?
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I don't follow. What has become BS?
The extra practices matter
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Desantis asking for $1 mil of taxpayer money to sue over FSU being left out of playoffs.
Suck-up POS.
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If anything has spoiled college football, it's the mindset that the national championship is the only thing that matters, rendering any other accomplishment by the other 132 teams meaningless. There was a time not that long ago when getting invited to the Orange Bowl or the Cotton Bowl meant you had a hugely successful season. Now, unless it's one of the playoff games, it's a meaningless exhibition game and a joke?
It's the "nothing-short of-a-title" mentality that has stolen the joy of the game, not the fact that only a handful of teams have a realistic shot at a title. That has always been the case.
Thank you for emulating my point. These geniuses actually made people believe that bowl games were more than meaningless exhibitions! For decades! And they've made billions in that time frame! It's one of the most successful marketing scams in history.
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Desantis asking for $1 mil of taxpayer money to sue over FSU being left out of playoffs.
Suck-up POS.
Pudding Fingers going to be working with Scott Walker at the ham sandwich factory soon enough
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Thank you for emulating my point. These geniuses actually made people believe that bowl games were more than meaningless exhibitions! For decades! And they've made billions in that time frame! It's one of the most successful marketing scams in history.
+1
Part of why I could never care about CFB much. Oh you won the Rose Bowl? What does that mean? You're the best team from the Pac12 or Big 10 that didn't get to play in the National Championship game? Oh cool!
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Thank you for emulating my point. These geniuses actually made people believe that bowl games were more than meaningless exhibitions! For decades! And they've made billions in that time frame! It's one of the most successful marketing scams in history.
OK, but the logical extension of this argument is that no games matter. A conference title's value exists only inasmuch people think it's valuable. A win over your rival is important only because people have been convinced it's important.
So, it's all a marketing scam. And so what?
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These geniuses actually made people believe that bowl games were more than meaningless exhibitions! For decades! And they've made billions in that time frame! It's one of the most successful marketing scams in history.
This.
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OK, but the logical extension of this argument is that no games matter. A conference title's value exists only inasmuch people think it's valuable. A win over your rival is important only because people have been convinced it's important.
So, it's all a marketing scam. And so what?
I don't think that's a logical extension at all. Every major sport you play for a chance at the national championship.... except college football.
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I don't think that's a logical extension at all. Every major sport you play for a chance at the national championship.... except college football.
Why s a national championship in amateur football important?
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Why s a national championship in amateur football important?
You trying to take Sultan's crown here?
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Why s a national championship in amateur football important?
I am on Team Pakuni's side on this. If Bowl games are stupid because they didn't win a NC, college basketball fans shouldn't celebrate conference championships, sweet 16s or Elite 8s.
Bowl games are for teams/fans to celebrate good seasons/ It is what it is. There are probably 20 teams max that have a shot at the NC in football. Everyone else is playing for Bowl Bids.
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You trying to take Sultan's crown here?
I wouldn't dare.
I take it you have no answer.
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Why s a national championship in amateur football important?
Because athletic competition has been important to humans since the dawn of civilization.
If you want to argue that caring about sports is dumb, youre not wrong, but we've been dumb in that kind of way for 1000s of years. We've only been bowl game dumb for a few decades
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I am on Team Pakuni's side on this. If Bowl games are stupid because they didn't win a NC, college basketball fans shouldn't celebrate conference championships, sweet 16s or Elite 8s.
Bowl games are for teams/fans to celebrate good seasons/ It is what it is. There are probably 20 teams max that have a shot at the NC in football. Everyone else is playing for Bowl Bids.
I have no problem with celebrating bowl wins. They would be a nice consolation prize for teams.
What's dumb is that 90% of the teams could go undefeated in a season and not even be given the chance to compete for the championship. Clearly that's enough for a lot of fans. I think those fans are nuts
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Why s a national championship in amateur football important?
First of all, it’s no longer amateur (if it ever was). Secondly, winning the National Championship in college football has ALWAYS been important regardless of a playoff. Every once in a while there was even a bowl game pitting #1 vs #2 for that National Championship. I don’t remember it sucking the joy out of being the Rose or Sugar Bowl Champion for those teams or their fan bases but when there’s zero chance of ending up #1 it is a consolation prize - today and always.
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I wouldn't dare.
I take it you have no answer.
I do. But, the answer is obvious, isn't it?
Because every team or fan base desires to say they were the best team on any given year.
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I don't know. It seems to me, with the television ratings being what they are and with stadiums full with people around the country, that college football doesn't necessarily need a defined method of determining a national champion for people to love the game. Now I am glad they are moving to a twelve team playoff because it will provide more full and exciting games than the usual bowl season, but my observation is that a lot of people like college football for the sake of college football.
Just like in most sports. Fans of most teams in almost all sports realistically know their team isn't winning a championship. But they get joy from the game anyway.
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Thank you for emulating my point. These geniuses actually made people believe that bowl games were more than meaningless exhibitions! For decades! And they've made billions in that time frame! It's one of the most successful marketing scams in history.
Counter point...its not just an American/CFB thing.
English soccer has the Community Shield which is the Premier League winner against the FA Cup winner (or a rematch of the FA Cup final if the EPL winner also won the FA Cup.
La Liga has the "SuperCopa" which is just a the top 2 teams in the previous years La Liga standings and the 2 finalists of the Copa del Rey (domestic cup) in a meaningless mini tourney.
Most Euro countries have something similar. Glorified exhibitions to start the season but they get puffed up and put in the trophy case for a win and heavily marketed.
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Because athletic competition has been important to humans since the dawn of civilization.
If you want to argue that caring about sports is dumb, youre not wrong, but we've been dumb in that kind of way for 1000s of years. We've only been bowl game dumb for a few decades
No, that's not my argument at all. I don't think it's stupid to care about sports. At least not any more than it is to care about art or movies or music or literature, etc.
I'm likely not stating my case very well, but I'll try to do it better.
IMO, the value/importance of any athletic contest for nonparticipants is a subjective determination for each individual. The inclusion in or result of a sporting event isn't a commodity or a product, or even a service, that has tangible, objective worth (again, for nonparticipants). It has no intrinsic value beyond that which a person chooses to place upon it. A new car has an objective value, regardless of the consumer. Marquette winning a national title would have a very different value to us Scoopers than some random group of people in New Mexico.
What's this have to do with your comments? You seem to suggest that fans who care about an "exhibition" bowl game are rubes who've been duped into caring by the geniuses at the NCAA. I disagree. I think fans choose what value to put on a game - any game - and it's subjective to each individual. If a Northwestern fan is excited because that team is going to the Las Vegas Bowl after overcoming a heap of adversity, that person isn't a rube and hasn't been fooled. They've just chosen what's important to them. No different than a national title game. It's important to some people because they've chosen to make it important. It has no value to that person otherwise.
That probably isn't the most eloquent explanation, but have at it.
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If Bowl games are stupid because they didn't win a NC, college basketball fans shouldn't celebrate conference championships, sweet 16s or Elite 8s.
I don't think that's a good comparison. Going to a bowl game is more like going to the NIT.
Getting to play in the Famous Toastery Bowl - or even the Fiesta Bowl after you failed to qualify for the playoffs - is nothing like qualifying for the NCAA basketball tournament and winning 3 NCAAT games to reach the Elite Eight.
Starting next season, getting to the NCAA football semis will be like getting to the Final Four. And for all but the 12 teams who didn't make the playoffs, bowl games will be like the NIT or CBI.
All IMHO of course.
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No, I'm saying the singular focus on the national title brought about first by the BCS and then the playoff has robbed the joy of other accomplishments and successes.
I agreed with your initial post. I would just add that there are other things in addition to what you said.
It isn’t college football specific either.
In tennis it’s called counting slams.
In soccer it’s handful of top Men’s Euro leagues or bust plus national teams. Nothing else.
It’s the fruitless comparing of eras played under much different circumstances. Everyone and everything is a goat of this or that nature.
And there are additional factors too. Trying to remember that the Gasparilla Bowl was the Outback Bowl so that one can remember that’s the early day Tampa game. Those types of things don’t help.
All of this recent MLB draft talk is great for example, since I follow college baseball too.
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I don't know. It seems to me, with the television ratings being what they are and with stadiums full with people around the country, that college football doesn't necessarily need a defined method of determining a national champion for people to love the game. Now I am glad they are moving to a twelve team playoff because it will provide more full and exciting games than the usual bowl season, but my observation is that a lot of people like college football for the sake of college football.
Just like in most sports. Fans of most teams in almost all sports realistically know their team isn't winning a championship. But they get joy from the game anyway.
I agree entirely. No one can question the success of college football. Its just baffling to me.
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I agree entirely. No one can question the success of college football. Its just baffling to me.
Let’s get ready to GAMBLE
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Counter point...its not just an American/CFB thing.
English soccer has the Community Shield which is the Premier League winner against the FA Cup winner (or a rematch of the FA Cup final if the EPL winner also won the FA Cup.
La Liga has the "SuperCopa" which is just a the top 2 teams in the previous years La Liga standings and the 2 finalists of the Copa del Rey (domestic cup) in a meaningless mini tourney.
Most Euro countries have something similar. Glorified exhibitions to start the season but they get puffed up and put in the trophy case for a win and heavily marketed.
There are lots of meaningless exhibitions that are successful and beloved by fans. But as far as I'm aware, CFB is the only major sport where 90% of the teams could go undefeated and not even get a chance to compete for their championship.
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The Bears have been playing 20 exhibition games every year for nearly 4 decades now and people still pay to watch them.
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No, that's not my argument at all. I don't think it's stupid to care about sports. At least not any more than it is to care about art or movies or music or literature, etc.
I'm likely not stating my case very well, but I'll try to do it better.
IMO, the value/importance of any athletic contest for nonparticipants is a subjective determination for each individual. The inclusion in or result of a sporting event isn't a commodity or a product, or even a service, that has tangible, objective worth (again, for nonparticipants). It has no intrinsic value beyond that which a person chooses to place upon it. A new car has an objective value, regardless of the consumer. Marquette winning a national title would have a very different value to us Scoopers than some random group of people in New Mexico.
What's this have to do with your comments? You seem to suggest that fans who care about an "exhibition" bowl game are rubes who've been duped into caring by the geniuses at the NCAA. I disagree. I think fans choose what value to put on a game - any game - and it's subjective to each individual. If a Northwestern fan is excited because that team is going to the Las Vegas Bowl after overcoming a heap of adversity, that person isn't a rube and hasn't been fooled. They've just chosen what's important to them. No different than a national title game. It's important to some people because they've chosen to make it important. It has no value to that person otherwise.
That probably isn't the most eloquent explanation, but have at it.
And that's where we disagree. I think they are rubes for assigning enough value to a meaningless exhibition game that it doesn't bother them that in any given season it is literally impossible for most of their chosen teams to make the playoffs. And I'll be honest,
i think a good percentage of them have deluded themselves into thinking that they're team isn't one of the majority that could go undefeated and not make the playoffs.
But that's just my opinion, it's not a fact. People can assign value to whatever they like and others can think they're rubes for it.
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And that's where we disagree. I think they are rubes for assigning enough value to a meaningless exhibition game that it doesn't bother them that in any given season it is literally impossible for most of their chosen teams to make the playoffs. And I'll be honest,
i think a good percentage of them have deluded themselves into thinking that they're team isn't one of the majority that could go undefeated and not make the playoffs.
But that's just my opinion, it's not a fact. People can assign value to whatever they like and others can think they're rubes for it.
This is definitely not correct.
We're now in year 10 of the CFP. In those 10 years, 16 of 17 undefeated P5 teams - and P5 teams make up the majority - received a playoff bid. And the one that didn't was the result of rare extenuating circumstances. If FSU's QB is healthy, it would be 17 of 17.
So, contrary to "the majority that could go undefeated and not make the playoffs," history says going undefeated for a majority of teams has led to a playoff bid 94% of the time. Just don't let your QB get injured.
Also, this tangent got rolling when I suggested that for some, the playoffs-or-nothing mentality has sucked joy out of the game. Now you're telling us that if you enjoy the game without making the playoffs, you're a rube?
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This is definitely not correct.
We're now in year 10 of the CFP. In those 10 years, 16 of 17 undefeated P5 teams - and P5 teams make up the majority - received a playoff bid. And the one that didn't was the result of rare extenuating circumstances. If FSU's QB is healthy, it would be 17 of 17.
So, contrary to "the majority that could go undefeated and not make the playoffs," history says going undefeated for a majority of teams has led to a playoff bid 94% of the time. Just don't let your QB get injured.
Also, this tangent got rolling when I suggested that for some, the playoffs-or-nothing mentality has sucked joy out of the game. Now you're telling us that if you enjoy the game without making the playoffs, you're a rube?
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And that's where we disagree. I think they are rubes for assigning enough value to a meaningless exhibition game that it doesn't bother them that in any given season it is literally impossible for most of their chosen teams to make the playoffs. And I'll be honest,
i think a good percentage of them have deluded themselves into thinking that they're team isn't one of the majority that could go undefeated and not make the playoffs. But that's just my opinion, it's not a fact. People can assign value to whatever they like and others can think they're rubes for it.
I mean, maybe they just like to watch their team play?
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I mean, maybe they just like to watch their team play?
Of course this is the only right answer.
Football Saturdays (or any day with a bowl game) are party time.
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Also, this tangent got rolling when I suggested that for some, the playoffs-or-nothing mentality has sucked joy out of the game. Now you're telling us that if you enjoy the game without making the playoffs, you're a rube?
The majority of division one, not the majority of P5.
Also, this tangent got rolling when I suggested that for some, the playoffs-or-nothing mentality has sucked joy out of the game. Now you're telling us that if you enjoy the game without making the playoffs, you're a rube?
Never said anything of the sort. You can enjoy the game without making the playoffs. But enjoying a sport where it's predetermined at the start of the season that your team can't make the playoffs? I personally think you're a rube.
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#1 OL recruit Jordan Seaton, top 15 player overall, commits to Colorado over Bama, UF, and OSU. Don’t call it a comeback for Deion at a position of huge need.
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#1 OL recruit Jordan Seaton, top 15 player overall, commits to Colorado over Bama, UF, and OSU. Don’t call it a comeback for Deion at a position of huge need.
I don't know what "don't call it a comeback" means, but good on Deion. I don't follow Colorado football except for the snippets that I read, and I had read that he had been seeing some recruits de-commit and losing out on others. So this is a positive sign.
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I don't know what "don't call it a comeback" means, but good on Deion. I don't follow Colorado football except for the snippets that I read, and I had read that he had been seeing some recruits de-commit and losing out on others. So this is a positive sign.
Basically means it’s not a comeback cause they were never gone, similar to “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated”.
And it hadn’t been a good month or so, but again it seemed like people were eager and quick to deem the Deion/CU experiment a failure based on a few player movements, which is even less significant in this current era
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Basically means it’s not a comeback cause they were never gone, similar to “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated”.
And it hadn’t been a good month or so, but again it seemed like people were eager and quick to deem the Deion/CU experiment a failure based on a few player movements, which is even less significant in this current era
Ah, OK.
Well, they were never gone ... but aside from September, they weren't really "here," either.
I give Deion a ton of credit for resuscitating a dead program, but it's even harder to build on a start and keep it going and contend for championships.
I am absolutely not calling it a failure, but I also think it's far too early to call it a "success" - at least the way success is usually measured in the sport, by bowl appearances and conference titles and the like.
Colorado football was deep in the toilet, and he brought it into the light. A very good first step. Now he's in the "we'll see" stage IMHO.
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Neat story about a QB that most (if not all) of us have never heard of ...
(From Yahoo Sports)
Chances are, you've never heard of John Matocha, quarterback for Colorado School of Mines and the NCAA’s all-time touchdown leader. On the eve of the D-II national championship, it's about time you met him, Jeff writes.
A legendary career: The computer science grad student has accounted for an NCAA-record 190 TDs (161 passing, 28 rushing, 1 receiving) at the academically rigorous school outside Denver, where he's gone 50-6 in four years as the starter.
He broke the record last month, passing Houston's Case Keenum (2007-11) and Blaine Hawkins of D-III Central College (2017-21), who were tied with 178.
The reigning Harlon Hill Trophy winner (D-II Heisman) has led the Orediggers (14-0) to their second straight title game and is a finalist once again for this year's award, which will be announced today.
Who is John Matocha? The 5-foot-11, 180-pound Texas native erupted for 3,441 yards and 53 TDs as a high school senior. But his only scholarship offer — and a partial one at that — came from Mines, which he chose despite receiving a few walk-on invitations from Group of 5 schools.
Matocha built computers as a kid and was drawn to Mines for its STEM-focused curriculum. His 3.65 GPA and newly-minted honor as the conference's academic player of the year suggests he's made the most of his studies.
Academics are so important at Colorado School of Mines that players display their major on the back of their helmet. "Studying together, learning together, that bond really carries on throughout the experiences at Mines," Matocha told The Montgomery County Courier.
Saturday's matchup: Mines takes on Harding (Arkansas) tomorrow (1pm ET, ESPNU) in a game that certainly appears to be pitting the two best teams against each other. Mines has the nation's No. 2 offense and No. 3 defense, while Harding has the No. 2 defense and No. 3 offense.
What's next: Matocha has a job lined up as a software engineer but isn't ready to give up on football quite yet. "I've talked to a couple teams and I think I might have a chance to put myself out there," he told WSJ. "I'll work my butt off to try and make it a reality."
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Academics are so important at Colorado School of Mines that players display their major on the back of their helmet.
🙄🙄🙄
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🙄🙄🙄
Just the messenger.
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FCS Semifinal ND State at Montana . Loud crowd in Missoula.
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Exciting ending , The Griz win in over time over The Bison and are heading to Frisco , TX to face The Jack Rabbits for The FCS Championship
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2023/12/20/deion-sanders-colorado-football-transfer-portal-recruiting/71988717007/
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I don't have an opinion on it good or bad, but man is it weird to see Kyle McCord on the sidelines watching Syracuse lose the Boca Raton bowl by 38 less than a month after QB-ing OSU to a 6 point loss to Michigan.
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This.
This will be remembered as the death knell of the ACC.
Anyone with a room temperature IQ now knows the ACC will actually prevent you from winning a NC.
Couldn't have happened to a more deserving conference.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39167937/florida-state-sue-acc-grant-rights-withdrawal-fee (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39167937/florida-state-sue-acc-grant-rights-withdrawal-fee)
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39167937/florida-state-sue-acc-grant-rights-withdrawal-fee (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39167937/florida-state-sue-acc-grant-rights-withdrawal-fee)
Who wants Florida State?
Big 12?
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Who wants Florida State?
Big 12?
Big Ten or SEC will take them. They want the Big Ten
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Big Ten or SEC will take them. They want the Big Ten
Im not sure the SEC wants them. Dan Wetzel reported this week that more SEC programs oppose adding FSU than are in favor of adding them.
I believe Big 10 would much rather pick at what's left of the ACC's carcass to nab Virginia and UNC than have anything to do with FSU.
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Im not sure the SEC wants them. Dan Wetzel reported this week that more SEC programs oppose adding FSU than are in favor of adding them.
I believe Big 10 would much rather pick at what's left of the ACC's carcass to nab Virginia and UNC than have anything to do with FSU.
We’ll see, I suppose. SEC doesn’t need to add just to add, imo. Big Ten will do whatever TV tells them to
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We’ll see, I suppose. SEC doesn’t need to add just to add, imo. Big Ten will do whatever TV tells them to
Yes, the Big10 will do the commissioner, FOX, wants.
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https://ugawire.usatoday.com/lists/florida-state-opt-outs-orange-bowl-vs-georgia-football/
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Smart to opt out of exhibitions in anticipation of pro careers.
If they had decided to play, that would be cool, too. The decision is theirs, as it should be.
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Smart to opt out of exhibitions in anticipation of pro careers.
If they had decided to play, that would be cool, too. The decision is theirs, as it should be.
Okay?
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https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1984/12/23/an-orange-bowl-classic-ous-7-0-win-over-maryland-in-54-is-one-to-remember/62779548007/
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https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1984/12/23/an-orange-bowl-classic-ous-7-0-win-over-maryland-in-54-is-one-to-remember/62779548007/
Excellent article
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All things considered, pretty incredible season for David Braun at Northwestern. Started poorly at Rutgers but then no bad losses, stole a road win at Wisconsin, and then got an 8th win over a really tough Utah team in one of the few situations where a bowl was probably important for the program. Not bad for a potential lame duck coach at a program that won 4 total games the last 2 years.
Next year will be telling, but stumbling into a potentially very good young coach after an ugly scandal is pretty impressive for a football program as historically pathetic as NW. And he didn’t even have a standout defense that you would expect he was originally brought in to build
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All things considered, pretty incredible season for David Braun at Northwestern. Started poorly at Rutgers but then no bad losses, stole a road win at Wisconsin, and then got an 8th win over a really tough Utah team in one of the few situations where a bowl was probably important for the program. Not bad for a potential lame duck coach at a program that won 4 total games the last 2 years.
Next year will be telling, but stumbling into a potentially very good young coach after an ugly scandal is pretty impressive for a football program as historically pathetic as NW. And he didn’t even have a standout defense that you would expect he was originally brought in to build
https://www.si.com/college/indiana/big-ten/big-ten-daily-northwestern-beats-utah-las-vegas-bowl-ryan-day-talks-ohio-state-missouri-cotton-bowl-ex-minnesota-coach-jerry-kill-steps-down-new-mexico-state
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Epic Ending to South Alabama versus Eastern Michigan bowl game . USA won big and then…..
https://twitter.com/overtime/status/1738939413286027745
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Epic Ending to South Alabama versus Eastern Michigan bowl game . USA won big and then…..
https://twitter.com/overtime/status/1738939413286027745
College sports in Michigan equals all class. ::)
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Excellent QB prospect for The Huskers
https://cornhuskerswire.usatoday.com/lists/nebraska-football-recruiting-dylan-raiola-quarterback-offical-signing/#
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Programming alert. The 5-7 Gophers are playing in a bowl game right now.
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Flipping through channels tonight and came upon the Servpro First Responder Bowl - Rice vs Texas State (both teams were 6-6). I consider myself a pretty knowledgeable sports fan but had never heard of Texas State. I looked it up and it’s located between San Antonio & Austin and it’s most famous alum is LBJ. There are way to many bowl games!
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Tulane is part of the meaningless afternoon bowl game of the day, formerly coached by Willie Fritz who just took the Houston job.
Was talking to my buddy how the modern trend in major college football is hiring hotshot assistants who are major program OC/DCs, but also heralded recruiters. Now I don't begrudge that cause talent is the name of the game, but it sort of loses out on dudes like Fritz who can just flat out F-ing coach. Not household names cause they aren't doing it at the P5 level, but resumes that are unreal when you look at them
Blinn JC: 4 seasons, 39-5, wins 2 national titles his last 2 years.
Central Missouri (DII): 13 seasons, 97-47 at a program with very little success.
Finally makes a jump to FCS..
Sam Houston St: 4 seasons, 40-15, 2 FCS runner ups after taking over for a coach that was 25-28
Jumps again to newly promoted FBS Georgia Southern
Georgia Southern: 2 seasons, 17-7, including a conference title in only their second season at the level
Then
Tulane: 54-47, 3 conference titles, 23-4 in his last 2 years. Doesn't seem as significant until you realize Tulane had only been to 3 bowl games in 30 years since Mack Brown left in the late 80s and only 1 conference championships in that time too.
No way dude doesn't win at Houston in the new B12.
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Tulane is part of the meaningless afternoon bowl game of the day, formerly coached by Willie Fritz who just took the Houston job.
Was talking to my buddy how the modern trend in major college football is hiring hotshot assistants who are major program OC/DCs, but also heralded recruiters. Now I don't begrudge that cause talent is the name of the game, but it sort of loses out on dudes like Fritz who can just flat out F-ing coach. Not household names cause they aren't doing it at the P5 level, but resumes that are unreal when you look at them
Blinn JC: 4 seasons, 39-5, wins 2 national titles his last 2 years.
Central Missouri (DII): 13 seasons, 97-47 at a program with very little success.
Finally makes a jump to FCS..
Sam Houston St: 4 seasons, 40-15, 2 FCS runner ups after taking over for a coach that was 25-28
Jumps again to newly promoted FBS Georgia Southern
Georgia Southern: 2 seasons, 17-7, including a conference title in only their second season at the level
Then
Tulane: 54-47, 3 conference titles, 23-4 in his last 2 years. Doesn't seem as significant until you realize Tulane had only been to 3 bowl games in 30 years since Mack Brown left in the late 80s and only 1 conference championships in that time too.
No way dude doesn't win at Houston in the new B12.
Excellent move by The Cougars
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Tulane is part of the meaningless afternoon bowl game of the day, formerly coached by Willie Fritz who just took the Houston job.
Was talking to my buddy how the modern trend in major college football is hiring hotshot assistants who are major program OC/DCs, but also heralded recruiters. Now I don't begrudge that cause talent is the name of the game, but it sort of loses out on dudes like Fritz who can just flat out F-ing coach. Not household names cause they aren't doing it at the P5 level, but resumes that are unreal when you look at them
Blinn JC: 4 seasons, 39-5, wins 2 national titles his last 2 years.
Central Missouri (DII): 13 seasons, 97-47 at a program with very little success.
Finally makes a jump to FCS..
Sam Houston St: 4 seasons, 40-15, 2 FCS runner ups after taking over for a coach that was 25-28
Jumps again to newly promoted FBS Georgia Southern
Georgia Southern: 2 seasons, 17-7, including a conference title in only their second season at the level
Then
Tulane: 54-47, 3 conference titles, 23-4 in his last 2 years. Doesn't seem as significant until you realize Tulane had only been to 3 bowl games in 30 years since Mack Brown left in the late 80s and only 1 conference championships in that time too.
No way dude doesn't win at Houston in the new B12.
Agreed. Lance Leipold at Kansas, who of course won multiple titles at D3 UW-Whitewater, and Kalen DeBoer at Washington, who won multiple NAIA titles at Sioux Falls, are other examples. (Although DeBoer went the D1 assistant route before getting to Washington.)
Some of these dudes can flat out coach. I think a lot of FCS and lower level FBS schools would benefit from looking at guys like these.
It works on the basketball side too. Indiana State hired Josh Schertz from D2 Lincoln Memorial and they have a top 25 team.
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This has to be one of the worst traditions, Winning Coach of Dukes Mayo Bowl gets bucket of Mayo poured on head . West Virginia Coach got the honor this year with win over The Tar Heels .
https://apnews.com/article/dukes-mayo-bowl-north-carolina-west-virginia-score-f679477b06d39c59f01ef8cca6158dc5
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This has to be one of the worst traditions, Winning Coach of Dukes Mayo Bowl gets bucket of Mayo poured on head . West Virginia Coach got the honor this year with win over The Tar Heels .
https://apnews.com/article/dukes-mayo-bowl-north-carolina-west-virginia-score-f679477b06d39c59f01ef8cca6158dc5
No worse than the sticky Gatorade that usually gets dumped.
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What’s wild to me is that even after FSU lost their starting QB and it became clear they weren’t one of the 4 best teams in the country, they still had a 10 point win in a game they never trailed over a Louisville team that was much better than the Auburn team that Alabama needed a 4th and goal from the 31 conversion to beat in the last game of the regular season. Auburn was coming off of a 21 point loss to New Mexico State going into that Alabama game.
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Agreed. Lance Leipold at Kansas, who of course won multiple titles at D3 UW-Whitewater, and Kalen DeBoer at Washington, who won multiple NAIA titles at Sioux Falls, are other examples. (Although DeBoer went the D1 assistant route before getting to Washington.)
Some of these dudes can flat out coach. I think a lot of FCS and lower level FBS schools would benefit from looking at guys like these.
It works on the basketball side too. Indiana State hired Josh Schertz from D2 Lincoln Memorial and they have a top 25 team.
More on DeBoer's rise at Washington.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/12/29/washington-football-brain-trust-kalen-deboer-ryan-grubb-sioux-falls-cfp-sugar-bowl
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Looks like the FSU fans can stop the preparations on the "we might be the only undefeated team left so we should be the rightful national champs" propaganda....
Haha...
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Looks like the FSU fans can stop the preparations on the "we might be the only undefeated team left so we should be the rightful national champs" propaganda....
Haha...
Still deserved to play for a chance to win a title.
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Looks like the FSU fans can stop the preparations on the "we might be the only undefeated team left so we should be the rightful national champs" propaganda....
Haha...
Because it’s the same team playing 🙄
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Looks like the FSU fans can stop the preparations on the "we might be the only undefeated team left so we should be the rightful national champs" propaganda....
Haha...
At least 23 ‘Noles opted out today, including 9 that declared for the draft.
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Was this game a 50 pt spread?
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Still deserved to play for a chance to win a title.
Yep
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Was this game a 50 pt spread?
21 is what I saw.
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Even with everyone healthy, they were not one of the 4 best teams. There are probably half a dozen teams at least that would go undefeated with their schedule.
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Still deserved to play for a chance to win a title.
Deserves got nothing to do with it.
They weren't one of the four best teams without Travis. .Probably not one of the 10 best, if we're being honest.
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Still deserved to play for a chance to win a title.
I agree with Wades. It’s about earning your place. Not choosing teams based on injury reports or trying project outcomes.
But doesn’t our resident CoMo MuScooper have any Tiger thoughts?
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Was this game a 50 pt spread?
Tough day at the office for The Noles
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I agree with Wades. It’s about earning your place. Not choosing teams based on injury reports or trying project outcomes.
But doesn’t our resident CoMo MuScooper have any Tiger thoughts?
Great season for the Tigers. Bags are being dropped by Mizzou supporters and the recruiting is showing it.
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Deserves got nothing to do with it.
They weren't one of the four best teams without Travis. .Probably not one of the 10 best, if we're being honest.
Sure. But after Travis’s injury they beat Louisville by 10 while never trailing.
The second last game Alabama played, they needed to convert a 4th and goal from the 31 to beat an Auburn team that had just lost by 21 to New Mexico State.
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I agree with Wades. It’s about earning your place. Not choosing teams based on injury reports or trying project outcomes.
But doesn’t our resident CoMo MuScooper have any Tiger thoughts?
The committee's worded statement is "best" teams, not "most deserving"
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Sure. But after Travis’s injury they beat Louisville by 10 while never trailing.
The second last game Alabama played, they needed to convert a 4th and goal from the 31 to beat an Auburn team that had just lost by 21 to New Mexico State.
Louisville just lost by two touchdowns to a USC team that was without Caleb Williams and 20 other opt-outs. Before that, they lost at home to unranked Kentucky. Beating them isn't the accomplishment you seem to be suggesting.
Do you think FSU is a better team than Alabama?
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I agree with Wades. It’s about earning your place. Not choosing teams based on injury reports or trying project outcomes.
The committee's criteria literally states that it should consider injury reports and try to project outcomes.
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Louisville just lost by two touchdowns to a USC team that was without Caleb Williams and 20 other opt-outs. Before that, they lost at home to unranked Kentucky. Beating them isn't the accomplishment you seem to be suggesting.
Do you think FSU is a better team than Alabama? If not, what's your point?
Prior to the Travis injury? Yes, and not sure it’s that close.
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I don’t think FSU was one of the four best teams this year regardless of the injury. Their schedule was sh*t.
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Prior to the Travis injury? Yes, and not sure it’s that close.
Standing by your "Alabama is in steep decline" take, I guess.
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Standing by your "Alabama is in steep decline" take, I guess.
No, I was wrong about that. Milroe’s play was great post-Tennessee. I just think FSU was better.
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The committee's worded statement is "best" teams, not "most deserving"
Which is absolutely absurd. No point in playing football games, and the committee made that clear.
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I mean, after what I saw tonight, I'm glad that the committee bypassed FSU. Looking forward to two good games on Monday.
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I mean, after what I saw tonight, I'm glad that the committee bypassed FSU. Looking forward to two good games on Monday.
FSU played nobody. Same with OSU last night. These bowl games mean as little as the 13 wins FSU put up this season.
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No point in playing football games, and the committee made that clear.
FSU had two opportunities to prove they were still a top team without Travis and failed to do it.
In those last two games, their offense averaged 222 yards and 20 points per game. For comparison's sake, Iowa averaged 240 yards and 16.6 ppg.
Without Travis, Florida State proved on the field that it was Iowa
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FSU played nobody. Same with OSU last night. These bowl games mean as little as the 13 wins FSU put up this season.
Yep. As someone who likes the bowl games, it's pretty sad. But the 12 team playoff should help.
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FSU had two opportunities to prove they were still a top team without Travis and failed to do it.
In those last two games, their offense averaged 222 yards and 20 points per game. For comparison's sake, Iowa averaged 240 yards and 16.6 ppg.
Without Travis, Florida State proved on the field that it was Iowa
They had 13 chances to prove they were a top team this year and never failed. Only 2 other teams could say the same. With a 4 team Playoff, there was plenty of room for them.
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I'm sorry but if you feel slighted because you didn't make the 4 team playoff, and are undefeated , your response is to quit? Whatever happened to having some pride?
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I'm sorry but if you feel slighted because you didn't make the 4 team playoff, and are undefeated , your response is to quit? Whatever happened to having some pride?
Pride went out the window when the committee told them their 13 wins all meant nothing at all.
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I'm sorry but if you feel slighted because you didn't make the 4 team playoff, and are undefeated , your response is to quit? Whatever happened to having some pride?
lol
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Pride went out the window when the committee told them their 13 wins all meant nothing at all.
Did they beat anybody?
Okay they beat LSU on Sept 3rd.
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LSU in week one was probably their best win. But the ACC was pretty bad this year.
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Well, I'll admit to not watching or caring much about college football but my guess is they would have been rolled no matter who decided to play in the playoff.
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Well, I'll admit to not watching or caring much about college football but my guess is they would have been rolled no matter who decided to play in the playoff.
Cool.
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Well, I'll admit to not watching or caring much about college football but my guess is they would have been rolled no matter who decided to play in the playoff.
Of course that would be the most likely situation. But that shouldn’t matter. They scheduled a projected top 3 SEC team (more than almost any college football team does) in the non-con and won every game they played. What more can they do? 2 teams who didn’t win every game got in above them.
Imagine telling George Mason, “We love Cinderella stories and your run has been awesome, but you’ve made it too far and now we want the blue bloods in the Final Four. So even though you won those previous games and deserve to be where you are, we think Duke is one of the 4 best teams and you aren’t so, well, you’re going to play in the NIT semifinals instead.”
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Of course that would be the most likely situation. But that shouldn’t matter. They scheduled a projected top 3 SEC team (more than almost any college football team does) in the non-con and won every game they played. What more can they do? 2 teams who didn’t win every game got in above them.
Imagine telling George Mason, “We love Cinderella stories and your run has been awesome, but you’ve made it too far and now we want the blue bloods in the Final Four. So even though you won those previous games and deserve to be where you are, we think Duke is one of the 4 best teams and you aren’t so, well, you’re going to play in the NIT semifinals instead.”
Who cares. Would rather watch Bama v Michigan anyway.
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Of course that would be the most likely situation. But that shouldn’t matter. They scheduled a projected top 3 SEC team (more than almost any college football team does) in the non-con and won every game they played. What more can they do? 2 teams who didn’t win every game got in above them.
Imagine telling George Mason, “We love Cinderella stories and your run has been awesome, but you’ve made it too far and now we want the blue bloods in the Final Four. So even though you won those previous games and deserve to be where you are, we think Duke is one of the 4 best teams and you aren’t so, well, you’re going to play in the NIT semifinals instead.”
Is FSU one of the four best teams?
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Is FSU one of the four best teams?
They were 1 of the 3 P5 teams with a 0 in their loss column.
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They were 1 of the 3 P5 teams with a 0 in their loss column.
I'll take that as a "no."
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I'll take that as a "no."
Are we sure Washington or Michigan are? Or Texas or Bama? Are we sure Georgia or Ohio State aren’t?
Seems like we should just go with who earned it by the results on the field over the course of the season. Not some subjectively saying these are your 4 best teams.
Otherwise just have the 4 teams with the most 5 star or top 300 recruits on their rosters play double home and homes with each other and let everyone else enjoy watching.
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Are we sure Washington or Michigan are? Or Texas or Bama? Are we sure Georgia or Ohio State aren’t?
Seems like we should just go with who earned it by the results on the field over the course of the season. Not some subjectively saying these are your 4 best teams.
Otherwise just have the 4 teams with the most 5 star or top 300 recruits on their rosters play double home and homes with each other and let everyone else enjoy watching.
So, Libery should be in the playoff? 13-0, after all
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So, Libery should be in the playoff? 13-0, after all
Nobody needs this explained how it’s completely different, nor does it remotely represent the essence of Wades arguments.
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Are we sure Washington or Michigan are? Or Texas or Bama? Are we sure Georgia or Ohio State aren’t?
Seems like we should just go with who earned it by the results on the field over the course of the season. Not some subjectively saying these are your 4 best teams.
Otherwise just have the 4 teams with the most 5 star or top 300 recruits on their rosters play double home and homes with each other and let everyone else enjoy watching.
This post encompasses why I have around zero interest in college football.
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Is FSU one of the four best teams?
No. But Georgia would be favored over all four of the playoff teams. So if we’re going to go best four, then go best four. Don’t half ass it and penalize one team.
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Are we sure Washington or Michigan are? Or Texas or Bama? Are we sure Georgia or Ohio State aren’t?
Seems like we should just go with who earned it by the results on the field over the course of the season. Not some subjectively saying these are your 4 best teams.
Otherwise just have the 4 teams with the most 5 star or top 300 recruits on their rosters play double home and homes with each other and let everyone else enjoy watching.
I also think we should do that
But that's not the committee's written mandate
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I think they did go with the four best teams who earned it over the course of the season. Florida State went undefeated sure, but their schedule was trash. I think one loss Texas and Alabama teams had a more impressive season. Not to mention that Washington and Michigan had more impressive schedules as well.
And this isn't really fair to FSU who usually schedules well. But Florida has been bad, LSU wasn't as good as advertised, and Clemson and the rest of the ACC was mediocre. Losing their quarterback gave the committee a reason to exclude them sure, but I'm not sure they would have gotten the nod anyway.
Bring on the 12-team playoff. It will solve these problems.
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I think they did go with the four best teams who earned it over the course of the season. Florida State went undefeated sure, but their schedule was trash. I think one loss Texas and Alabama teams had a more impressive season. Not to mention that Washington and Michigan had more impressive schedules as well.
And this isn't really fair to FSU who usually schedules well. But Florida has been bad, LSU wasn't as good as advertised, and Clemson and the rest of the ACC was mediocre. Losing their quarterback gave the committee a reason to exclude them sure, but I'm not sure they would have gotten the nod anyway.
Bring on the 12-team playoff. It will solve these problems.
Was Michigan’s schedule impressive? Penn State crapped themselves against teams with equal or better talent. Ohio State is a very good team but is beating them that at home that much better?
I don’t know. Undefeated is undefeated. If Travis is healthy, fsu is clearly one of the top-4. He isn’t, so Alabama making it isn’t a big problem for me but we can nitpick everyone’s schedule and how they looked playing it.
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Is FSU one of the four best teams?
Was Georgia?
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The committee's criteria literally states that it should consider injury reports and try to project outcomes.
Does the committee criteria literally state that earlier season games don’t count if you are Alabama?
Does the committee criteria state that later only later season games matter unless you are Alabama needing a hail mary against a below .500 team?
This is like the scene from “A Few Good Men”’ when Barnes is asked to flip to the page that reveals the location of the mess hall.
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Does the committee criteria literally state that earlier season games don’t count if you are Alabama?
Does the committee criteria state that later only later season games matter unless you are Alabama needing a hail mary against a below .500 team?
This is like the scene from “A Few Good Men”’ when Barnes is asked to flip to the page that reveals the location of the mess hall.
No and no. But what is your point? Alabama had the sixth hardest schedule in the country including victories over Georgia and Ole Miss.
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Was Georgia?
Probably. They had a far better case for inclusion than FSU.
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Does the committee criteria literally state that earlier season games don’t count if you are Alabama?
Does the committee criteria state that later only later season games matter unless you are Alabama needing a hail mary against a below .500 team?
This is like the scene from “A Few Good Men”’ when Barnes is asked to flip to the page that reveals the location of the mess hall.
If I understand your outrage correctly, you're very mad that the playoff committee faithfully followed the criteria that's been in place for a decade.
You should take it up with them.
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If I understand your outrage correctly, you're very mad that the playoff committee faithfully followed the criteria that's been in place for a decade.
You should take it up with them.
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I am not mad and I have no outrage. My interest level in the topic is calm, matter of fact, and, low.
The point is changing non-written criteria is used all the time. Criteria is used inconsistently all the time.
Lawyers are way too concerned about precedent.
If a rule is good, keep or add it. If it’s not change or abolish it.
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Was Michigan’s schedule impressive? Penn State crapped themselves against teams with equal or better talent. Ohio State is a very good team but is beating them that at home that much better?
Michigan's schedule being awful (for CFP standards) has been an ongoing story in college football for 2 years. They were exposed by TCU last year and I wouldn't be surprised if they do again this year.
Sultan, Michigan has been given credit for how they win not who they have beat.
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Michigan's schedule being awful (for CFP standards) has been an ongoing story in college football for 2 years. They were exposed by TCU last year and I wouldn't be surprised if they do again this year.
Sultan, Michigan has been given credit for how they win not who they have beat.
They beat two teams (OSU and PSU) better than anyone FSU beat.
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They beat two teams (OSU and PSU) better than anyone FSU beat.
Perhaps (I'd say LSU > PSU). I have zero problem with Michigan being in the CFP especially over FSU, but I don't think Michigan's schedule is a good point for the argument.
SOS: Michigan - 44; FSU - 34
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So what, they played a crap schedule and missing their star QB. They deserve what they got.
They were 1 of the 3 P5 teams with a 0 in their loss column.
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That’s great, other than it was written criteria:
“ Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.”
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I am not mad and I have no outrage. My interest level in the topic is calm, matter of fact, and, low.
The point is changing non-written criteria is used all the time. Criteria is used inconsistently all the time.
Lawyers are way too concerned about precedent.
If a rule is good, keep or add it. If it’s not change or abolish it.
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Big game today for Marquette as UW-Madison takes on LSU in the AdvoCare100 Bowl presented by A&W Root Beer
A win by Bucky will help Marquette’s cause greatly
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That’s great, other than it was written criteria:
“ Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.”
Do they have a delete button? or Sharpie to put a line through it? …part of what I said was if something isn’t good, change it or remove it.
And does the criteria say we are picking the best teams this week? or this season?
If it’s this week, why play the rest of the season? Just start a two week college football season each year at the end of December with four teams chosen. “Weather is also listed as a criteria by the way. So I’m sure they can come up with something and that’s fine.
Alabama needs 4th and 31 Hail Mary against a below .500 team that lost its previous game by 3 tds to New Mexico St. Oh it’s choosing the best team this week? Alabama did get a win over Georgia so okay got it. Good thing Bama scheduled Chattanooga the week before that instead of Texas. Who even remembers the 21st, I mean the 9th of September?
I’m just using Alabama as an example. I just find it silly to say well you had a great season, but your player got injured too bad for you. We’re picking the team that almost lost to Auburn two games prior because they won their most recent game. I guess it’s a good thing they scheduled Chattanooga the game prior to that instead of Texas.
I understand what they did and why they did it. It doesn’t make it any less silly to me.
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Guy who claimed the criteria is “silly,” thinks they should use a hypothetical delete button or sharpie….
BTW the regular season TV and in-stadium audiences will be huge regardless of the playoff criteria. Anyway it’s a “silly” debate because no neutral fan wants to see a short handed FSU in the playoffs.
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Guy who claimed the criteria is “silly,” thinks they should use a hypothetical delete button or sharpie….
BTW the regular season TV and in-stadium audiences will be huge regardless of the playoff criteria. Anyway it’s a “silly” debate because no neutral fan wants to see a short handed FSU in the playoffs.
Yes, it’s silly. Yes use a non hypothetical delete button or Sharpie.
Is Neutral fans the new It’s Indiana?
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SEC show why they are superior to Big Ten on last four plays of Badger game. LSU completely manhandled Badger offensive line when it counted .
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SEC show why they are superior to Big Ten on last four plays of Badger game. LSU completely manhandled Badger offensive line when it counted .
Tough loss for Marquette’s cause
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Heartbreaking loss for Liberty today. Pool boys across the nation devastated
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Heartbreaking loss for Liberty today. Pool boys across the nation devastated
I'm just mad they weren't in the Playoffs. 13-0. What more can anyone ask? They DESERVED to be there.
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Does Georgia or Oregon get to sub in for Michigan at halftime?
Do we just take the SEC next year, because the SEC seems to have the best teams in the country and dominates the B1G, at the very least.
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Who's the cool RB on Mich? 5'6?
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Who's the cool RB on Mich? 5'6?
Blare Cokum
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Michigan Pass Rush is strong
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Blare Cokum
1st round pick?
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1st round pick?
No, blew out his knee last year and lost some explosiveness. Size is an issue but might have a spot on a roster in a pinch
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Michigan defense looks like they know the play before the ball is snapped
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No, blew out his knee last year and lost some explosiveness. Size is an issue but might have a spot on a roster in a pinch
Damn.
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So far, Michigan looks like the much better team.
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Still angry at everybody.
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Is Michigan gagging?
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Is Michigan gagging?
No, it’s a 3-point game
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Is Michigan gagging?
Playing Saban in a bowl game? Was Alabama choking when they botched back to back snaps? A grind of a game.
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Saban and his assistants made the necessary adjustments. We’ll see if Michigan can counter.
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Saban’s the best of all time for a reason.
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Saban and his assistants made the necessary adjustments. We’ll see if Michigan can counter.
Michigan is so vanilla on offense this half.
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It seems to me Michigan was in control and then crapped the bed after those spectacular 2 plays. They've done nothing since.
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Going to run out of time to make them. Saban is the GOAT.
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Going to run out of time to make them. Saban is the GOAT.
Yeah, Bama has played better defense in a lot of second halves this year.
That said, Michigan has been missing plays. Bad pass, dropped passes and bad snaps
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Fowler said Michigan was going for the tying FG.
Yep … the ol’ 4-point FG.
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Fowler said Michigan was going for the tying FG.
Yep … the ol’ 4-point FG.
Whoops.
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This just got more interesting.
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Excellent drive by Wolverines to tie it.
On to overtime.
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Wow.
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Omg.
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Not choking.
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Game woulda been SOOO much better had Florida State been in it.
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Game woulda been SOOO much better had Florida State been in it.
Lol.
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Not Tommy Rees' best moment.
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Not choking.
#2 (5'6) saved the day.
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Game woulda been SOOO much better had Florida State been in it.
lol. Exactly.
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#2 (5'6) saved the day.
Beautiful runs in overtime
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Beautiful runs in overtime
They sell products to prevent that Herman
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Saban running that play in that situation. What? 21% chance of success.
Fire his azz.
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No SEC champion this year.
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Corum cemented himself as the best RB in program history
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I’m not sure either of those teams were 2 of the 4 best teams.
Exciting end? Yup. But a pretty ugly game overall.
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I’m not sure either of those teams were 2 of the 4 best teams.
Exciting end? Yup. But a pretty ugly game overall.
It was a slog of a game. Sherrone Moore is probably coach in waiting but he played it close to the vest. Bama was pretty quick against the two trick plays. Michigan has good WR’s but no game breakers and Bama took away the TE’s.
Bama’s C probably cost them the game. Took away the first series of the second half with his two bad snaps. He should move to Georgia
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Michael Penix has better receivers than Bryce Young.
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Is Penix legit? NFL starter potential?
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Michael Penix has better receivers than Bryce Young.
And throws a more accurate deep ball.
And is taller.
And 35 pounds heavier.
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He's impressed me.
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Is Penix legit? NFL starter potential?
Before Love settled in, he was the guy I wanted the Packers to target. Love his game.
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Very polished, accurate, nice touch. I loved his game way back at Indiana.
Only potential draw backs? He’s had two torn ACLs and been in college 6 years.
After Daniels (LSU) he’s my favorite QB in this class.
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And throws a more accurate deep ball.
And is taller.
And 35 pounds heavier.
I was thinking before this game that if Penix is still around when the Panthers finally get to draft, they could make worse picks. But they need so much, and he probably won't still be around.
But to keep things in perspective, Young was a great college QB and every NFL scout had him as a top-3 pick. I still think he can be a good pro if he gets a little help.
Not sure how well Penix would have done playing for this year's Panthers.
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I was thinking before this game that if Penix is still around when the Panthers finally get to draft, they could make worse picks. But they need so much, and he probably won't still be around.
But to keep things in perspective, Young was a great college QB and every NFL scout had him as a top-3 pick. I still think he can be a good pro if he gets a little help.
Not sure how well Penix would have done playing for this year's Panthers.
True that nobody would have looked good playing QB for this year’s Panthers. No receivers who could get any separation for one thing.
I don’t think you can draft Penix unless you trade Young - and that’s not going to happen.
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This is crazy
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I might have zero football knowledge/understanding, but I think Michigan is absolutely gonna dominate the LOS against Washington
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I might have zero football knowledge/understanding, but I think Michigan is absolutely gonna dominate the LOS against Washington
I think you know more than you’re giving yourself credit for.
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Washington made some of the stupidest decisions I’ve seen (and that’s saying something). That drive in the 4th with the trick play, and two more ridiculous passes that chewed 12 seconds off the clock. Not running on third down up 6, with Texas just having taken a timeout, when you know you’re going to kick the FG anyway.
Mario Cristobal coach their last drive? Take a knee three times, the clock will get down to 15 seconds.
That would have been one of the worst losses ever, and completely deserved.
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I’ve watched Washington three times this year, and every one of them had these “ok just finish this” endings to them.
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I’m not sure either of those teams were 2 of the 4 best teams.
Exciting end? Yup. But a pretty ugly game overall.
Really?
Who do you think were the best 4?
The best teams aren’t always the prettiest.
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Really?
Who do you think were the best 4?
The best teams aren’t always the prettiest.
Yep. The only other team that might belong is Georgia.
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I think Georgia picked a bad week to have its worst game over the last couple of years, and to not schedule anyone worthwhile non-conference. But I can’t see who they should have replaced.
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Washington made some of the stupidest decisions I’ve seen (and that’s saying something). That drive in the 4th with the trick play, and two more ridiculous passes that chewed 12 seconds off the clock. Not running on third down up 6, with Texas just having taken a timeout, when you know you’re going to kick the FG anyway.
Mario Cristobal coach their last drive? Take a knee three times, the clock will get down to 15 seconds.
That would have been one of the worst losses ever, and completely deserved.
I had absolutely no stake in the game, either as a fan or a gambler, and I was still talking to the coach through the TV, asking him what the hell he was doing. He would have sewn up 2024 Sports Idiot of the Year on Day 1 if Washington had lost that game.
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Really?
Who do you think were the best 4?
The best teams aren’t always the prettiest.
Georgia and Oregon certainly could have an argument.
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Georgia and Oregon certainly could have an argument.
Oregon had two shots at Washington and lost them both. They have zero argument.
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In the biggest non-surprise ever, the Iowa punter has set the all-time record for most yards in a season.
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Oregon had two shots at Washington and lost them both. They have zero argument.
So? Texas had a chance to beat Oklahoma and didn't. Alabama had a shot to beat Texas and didn't.
That's the point. Subjectively picking the "4 best teams" over the teams that earned it on the field is an absolute joke.
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So? Texas had a chance to beat Oklahoma and didn't. Alabama had a shot to beat Texas and didn't.
That's the point. Subjectively picking the "4 best teams" over the teams that earned it on the field is an absolute joke.
What do you mean by "earned it on the field?" I would argue Oregon didn't. Neither did FSU. Neither did Liberty.
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Georgia and Oregon certainly could have an argument.
Oregon had two losses and just one win over a ranked opponent.
What's their argument to get in over one-loss Alabama with wins over four ranked opponents or undefeated Michigan with wins over three ranked opponents?
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The last two teams standing are 14-0. If we were still in the BCS days, this would have been the title game. Would have been a heckuva Rose Bowl, too
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What do you mean by "earned it on the field?" I would argue Oregon didn't. Neither did FSU. Neither did Liberty.
I agree. I am 100% fine with the CFP field. But, you could make a weak but valid argument for UGA and Ohio State.
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These numbers include the bowl games so that changes things, but most college football efficiency rankings have all 3 of of OSU, Oregon, and Georgia in the top 4.
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I might have zero football knowledge/understanding, but I think Michigan is absolutely gonna dominate the LOS against Washington
If Michigan doesn’t control the LOS they’re going to get killed.
Washington is going to get some big plays, yards, and points, but Michigan has to limit them by putting pressure on Penix and controlling the ball themselves with mixes of runs and short passes.
I’ve heard several people compare this game to Michigan playing Ohio State in 2021 and 2022 when OSU had Stroud and a stable of NFL caliber wide receivers. The Michigan teams were built to compete with those teams by being more physical while having enough skill and speed to contain the 5 star athletes the Buckeyes always have.
This game should be significantly different than the Alabama game, which was more a match of physical vs physical with both teams giving up yards grudgingly.
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If Michigan doesn’t control the LOS they’re going to get killed.
Washington is going to get some big plays, yards, and points, but Michigan has to limit them by putting pressure on Penix and controlling the ball themselves with mixes of runs and short passes.
I’ve heard several people compare this game to Michigan playing Ohio State in 2021 and 2022 when OSU had Stroud and a stable of NFL caliber wide receivers. The Michigan teams were built to compete with those teams by being more physical while having enough skill and speed to contain the 5 star athletes the Buckeyes always have.
This game should be significantly different than the Alabama game, which was more a match of physical vs physical with both teams giving up yards grudgingly.
I think this year's Michigan is better than last year's but it could be interesting since last year TCU's high powered offense beat Michigan's physical advantage.
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I hadn't seen much Washington football until Monday night. Penix has to be one of the most accurate deep-ball throwers in college history. Almost every one he attempted was delivered right on time and landed almost exactly where it had to. Time after time. Impressive.
Great receivers, too.
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I think this year's Michigan is better than last year's but it could be interesting since last year TCU's high powered offense beat Michigan's physical advantage.
Though that took two pick sixes, a fumble at the goal line (after a bizarre reversal of a TD) and various other blunders by Michigan, and they still scored 45 points.
With those mistakes Michigan fell behind 21-3 early and got away from their usual game trying to come back.
If Michigan makes that many major mistakes again they will get routed.
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If Michigan doesn’t control the LOS they’re going to get killed.
Killed? Washington played an awful lot of close games this season against teams a whole lot worse than Michigan.
I ‘ll be rooting for Washington but if anybody gets killed in this game I suspect it’ll be them.
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Killed? Washington played an awful lot of close games this season against teams a whole lot worse than Michigan.
I ‘ll be rooting for Washington but if anybody gets killed in this game I suspect it’ll be them.
Washington had a tougher schedule than Michigan by far.
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Killed? Washington played an awful lot of close games this season against teams a whole lot worse than Michigan.
I ‘ll be rooting for Washington but if anybody gets killed in this game I suspect it’ll be them.
I say that because Michigan’s strength is strength, not finesse. They will need to control the line of scrimmage to allow them to run the ball and control the clock and put enough pressure on Penix to keep him from going wild.
Washington has a big advantage in big play potential and Michigan needs to win in the trenches to overcome that advantage.
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Alabama's center has entered the transfer portal.
Guess he's not the most popular guy around campus.
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Alabama's center has entered the transfer portal.
Guess he's not the most popular guy around campus.
But he is the center of attention.
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Alabama's center has entered the transfer portal.
Guess he's not the most popular guy around campus.
Seems like a snap decision.
Seriously, what is wrong with people?
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Seems like a snap decision.
Seriously, what is wrong with people?
You have to ask?
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Seems like a snap decision.
Seriously, what is wrong with people?
To be clear, I'm not aware of anything bad happening to this kid. I'm just guessing he wants out because how can you come back after that?
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To be clear, I'm not aware of anything bad happening to this kid. I'm just guessing he wants out because how can you come back after that?
You have to ask?
WOOSH
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I heard mention of a conference commissioner floating the idea that if a player skips a bowl game they should require repayment of the year's scholarship costs and NIL.
I could maybe see pro-rating the costs but he played all year minus 1 meaningless game that the school got paid the same for regardless.
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I heard mention of a conference commissioner floating the idea that if a player skips a bowl game they should require repayment of the year's scholarship costs and NIL.
I could maybe see pro-rating the costs but he played all year minus 1 meaningless game that the school got paid the same for regardless.
But under the rules of the NCAA, a school can seek compensation of a player doesn't finish the season - including a bowl game. However the minute a school tries to do that, it would be used against them on the recruiting trail. Coaches know that its best just to wish players well and not worry about a bowl game.
Same with NIL, but that would be harder since the schools shouldn't (wink, wink) have any say in those funds.
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I heard mention of a conference commissioner floating the idea that if a player skips a bowl game they should require repayment of the year's scholarship costs and NIL.
I could maybe see pro-rating the costs but he played all year minus 1 meaningless game that the school got paid the same for regardless.
I see a lot of "legitimate" injuries similar to those that keep NBA players out of games ("cough, cough, load management").
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But under the rules of the NCAA, a school can seek compensation of a player doesn't finish the season - including a bowl game. However the minute a school tries to do that, it would be used against them on the recruiting trail. Coaches know that its best just to wish players well and not worry about a bowl game.
Same with NIL, but that would be harder since the schools shouldn't (wink, wink) have any say in those funds.
This.
Little or no chance of "punishment" for missing exhibition bowl games. Nor should there be.
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Why punish a player for sitting out a scrimmage?
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Why punish a player for sitting out a scrimmage?
What makes a bowl game a scrimmage and a mid-November game between Rutgers and Indiana or Vandy and South Carolina not a scrimmage?
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Scrimmage is a exaggeration, but a mid-November game is part of the regular season schedule. A bowl game is "extra" and usually played after the semester ends.
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Scrimmage is a exaggeration, but a mid-November game is part of the regular season schedule. A bowl game is "extra" and usually played after the semester ends.
I understand that. I imagine tower called it a scrimmage to label it as without meaning/value. Which is fair enough, if that's what he believes.
But if bowl games are meaningless scrimmages, so are games between two teams without playoff chances. What's the point of Cal beating Arizona State in November? Earning an invite to a scrimmage?
I'm not opposed to opt-outs. Kids turning pro should do what's in their best interests. I just don't get the bowl game hate.
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I understand that. I imagine tower called it a scrimmage to label it as without meaning/value. Which is fair enough, if that's what he believes.
But if bowl games are meaningless scrimmages, so are games between two teams without playoff chances. What's the point of Cal beating Arizona State in November? Earning an invite to a scrimmage?
I'm not opposed to opt-outs. Kids turning pro should do what's in their best interests. I just don't get the bowl game hate.
The CFP and especially it's expansion next year magnifies the insignificance of bowl games. Plus, the lack of a tie into specific conferences, like the Rose Bowl with P12 & B10, takes away from the "bragging rights" aspect.
Whatever bowl LSU and Wisconsin just played had barely anyone in the stands. Take away gambling and the TV numbers would be awful too. Those are two very strongly supported programs.
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The CFP and especially it's expansion next year magnifies the insignificance of bowl games. Plus, the lack of a tie into specific conferences, like the Rose Bowl with P12 & B10, takes away from the "bragging rights" aspect.
Whatever bowl LSU and Wisconsin just played had barely anyone in the stands. Take away gambling and the TV numbers would be awful too. Those are two very strongly supported programs.
The bowl games draw more eyeballs than anything else they decide to put on in their place. However I do agree with your larger point. I think the CFP has made everything else look more like a exhibition, and the expansion is going to further that mindset.
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Want the kids to play in the meaningless bowl games? You better be paying them.
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Want the kids to play in the meaningless bowl games? You better be paying them.
My favorite story from bowl games is the local journalist writing “bowl practices are very important for next year” when your team you cover is bringing in a dozen new guys from the portal who can’t practice, start guys graduating or play 3-4 stringers who will get passed by the new portal guys
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What makes a bowl game a scrimmage and a mid-November game between Rutgers and Indiana or Vandy and South Carolina not a scrimmage?
Youre starting to get it
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Exactly, for the majority of teams, every game after their first loss is now rendered an exhibition. I guess with the 12 team playoff, it expands now to every game after a team's second loss is essentially an exhibition.
What makes a bowl game a scrimmage and a mid-November game between Rutgers and Indiana or Vandy and South Carolina not a scrimmage?
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Exactly, for the majority of teams, every game after their first loss is now rendered an exhibition. I guess with the 12 team playoff, it expands now to every game after a team's second loss is essentially an exhibition.
I don't know if thats fair. Conference and division titles are still important for a lot of programs that aren't perennial national title contenders.
You look at a MAC/Sun Belt/AAC team, their season doesn't start till October after they get beat around by P5 schools in the OOC matchups before they start competing for the conference titles.
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Or a chance to ruin the season of a rival.
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Not the person you’d expect to champion this, but good for Harbaugh for being the anti-Dabo
https://x.com/chrisvannini/status/1743661759569739851?s=46
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Not the person you’d expect to champion this, but good for Harbaugh for being the anti-Dabo
https://x.com/chrisvannini/status/1743661759569739851?s=46
I would expect him to take shots at college football on his way out.
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Not the person you’d expect to champion this, but good for Harbaugh for being the anti-Dabo
https://x.com/chrisvannini/status/1743661759569739851?s=46
He’s been pretty consistent about this
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Meh. Bring back the halcyon times, when athletes were indentured servants whose freedoms were restricted, when they were denied so much as pizza money, when every dime made on the athletes' blood, sweat and torn ACLs went to coaches and suits.
You don't want to shut up, play hard and entertain me? To hell with ya!
Those were the days!
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Congratulations to The Jackrabbits of South Dakota State on their second straight FCS Championship
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Michigan winning the LOS. Which is how they win the game.
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A game is never over after one quarter, but this one's in the danger zone
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Solid game so far for Michigan
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Bad decision by Michigan going for it on 4th there and living a team virtually dead with solid field position and momentum. Especially to do it by not running too.
Now barring quick points by Mich, this one goes to half 17-10 and Wash gets ball.
That said, Mich is still controlling the game so the Huskies will need a lot more consistency to pull this out.
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Bad decision by Michigan going for it on 4th there and living a team virtually dead with solid field position and momentum. Especially to do it by not running too.
Now barring quick points by Mich, this one goes to half 17-10 and Wash gets ball.
That said, Mich is still controlling the game so the Huskies will need a lot more consistency to pull this out.
It was a worse decision to not go for it on 4th and 2 from the UW 37 before. Harbaugh got too conservative too early. The offense was absolutely cooking and they went into coast mode after the FG. McCarthy is completely out of rhythm.
Johnson not stepping out on the sideline there could loom large
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https://twitter.com/ContextFreeCBB/status/1744542718813171972?t=pulNnl5-H8jUKp2dTaW6cQ&s=19
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Hope he isn't in charge of the Michigan passing game attacking a zone.
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It was a worse decision to not go for it on 4th and 2 from the UW 37 before. Harbaugh got too conservative too early. The offense was absolutely cooking and they went into coast mode after the FG. McCarthy is completely out of rhythm.
Agree with you and PGs. Two weird 4th-down decisions by Harbaugh.
Setting up to be a fun second half after what looked like it was gonna be a blowout.
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Just keep letting em hang around...
Huskies cant string together anything in bunches but still alive when allowing 11 ypc.
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This has quietly turned into the Big 10iest of games
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This has quietly turned into the Big 10iest of games
Last 20 minutes of “action” have looked like Iowa vs Minnesota.
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Both teams are tight. Lots of dropped passes and missed throws. Pressure being felt, even by stars and experienced players.
Meanwhile, Fowler just live-corrected a mistake by Herbstreit.
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Washing ton drops a 1st down pass
Next play. Holding on a 32 yard pass.
Just cant get outta their own way.
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Washing ton drops a 1st down pass
Next play. Holding on a 32 yard pass.
Just cant get outta their own way.
A couple massive drops and a few poorly timed penalties doomed Washington tonight.
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Ballgame.
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The diminutive guy slammed the door.
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I don't think 73 is going to look fondly on this game
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Washington just killed themselves any time they had any prayer.
Wanted at least a fun finish. They didnt show up
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A couple massive drops and a few poorly timed penalties doomed Washington tonight.
another poorly timed penalty kills a drive
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Killed? Washington played an awful lot of close games this season against teams a whole lot worse than Michigan.
I ‘ll be rooting for Washington but if anybody gets killed in this game I suspect it’ll be them.
As I feared. Ass kicking.
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A couple massive drops and a few poorly timed penalties doomed Washington tonight.
Penix was not good. Missed at least a couple of TDs.
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Excellent win for The Wolverines .
15-0
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As I feared. Ass kicking.
Because Michigan dominated in the trenches as they had to
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Connor Stallions gets a ring, right?
Does Georgia get a shot now?
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Connor Stallions gets a ring, right?
Does Georgia get a shot now?
They had their shot and lost in the quarter finals.
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They had their shot and lost in the quarter finals.
Same with FSU.
Wait nevermind.
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In his first 6 seasons at Michigan, Harbaugh was 49-22. That looks OK, but it's actually pretty meh at Michigan.
During those seasons, he went 0-5 against Ohio State (no game in shortened 2020 Covid season), with 4 of the losses being massacres. He also went 1-4 in bowl games, including zero CFP wins.
Year after year, Michigan would start great, only to crash and burn at the end.
So I guess you gotta give credit to Michigan brass for sticking with Harbaugh, because there are several blueblood football schools that probably woulda shown him the door before he ever got to win this title.
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In his first 6 seasons at Michigan, Harbaugh was 49-22. That looks OK, but it's actually pretty meh at Michigan.
During those seasons, he went 0-5 against Ohio State (no game in shortened 2020 Covid season), with 4 of the losses being massacres. He also went 1-4 in bowl games, including zero CFP wins.
Year after year, Michigan would start great, only to crash and burn at the end.
So I guess you gotta give credit to Michigan brass for sticking with Harbaugh, because there are several blueblood football schools that probably woulda shown him the door before he ever got to win this title.
For starters I think you should take out the 3-6 COVID season because of how many players couldn’t play or practice because of positive tests and others who are now stars in the NFL who decided not to play because they didn’t want to risk their careers on games with depleted rosters and nobody in the stands. I also don’t put much weight on bowl games (except playoff games) where star players often sit out and teams can have varying degrees of motivation for a game played 6 weeks after their last regular season game.
Then if you take into account how low the program had sunk during the 7 year Rodriguez-Hoke years, you realize that the team Harbaugh took over in 2015 was in need of a major rebuild. In college football before the transfer portal that took more than a couple of years. So, the record from 2015-2019 doesn’t look bad at all. They did well in 15 and 16 with some of the veterans Hoke recruited and players Harbaugh recruited. But then they ran into a big gap in veterans on the roster because of poor recruiting years and defections when it became apparent Hoke wouldn’t be around long.
The big blemish was the Ohio State games which, more than anything, were a reflection of the massive talent advantage they had over everyone in the conference. OSU has only lost something like 10 conference games in the last 12 seasons, including the 3 to Michigan the last 3 years. If Michigan had traded places with Wisconsin in the divisions, and didn’t have to play OSU every year, they likely would have had a couple of conference title game appearances and Wisconsin would have had none.
Harbaugh took a lot of criticism, largely from media haters and fans with unrealistic expectations, but I think most people realized that there wasn’t anyone more likely to lift Michigan back to being competitive with OSU. It took a return to the physical style of play that made Harbaugh successful at Stanford to make it happen.
With that mission accomplished Harbaugh can go back to the NFL and get out from under the pettiness of the NCAA.
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Remember that after 2020 Harbaugh had to take a cut to his base salary and signed an incentive-laden extension. Also he fired his defensive coordinator and pretty much demoted his offensive coordinator.
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For starters I think you should take out the 3-6 COVID season because of how many players couldn’t play or practice because of positive tests and others who are now stars in the NFL who decided not to play because they didn’t want to risk their careers on games with depleted rosters and nobody in the stands. I also don’t put much weight on bowl games (except playoff games) where star players often sit out and teams can have varying degrees of motivation for a game played 6 weeks after their last regular season game.
Then if you take into account how low the program had sunk during the 7 year Rodriguez-Hoke years, you realize that the team Harbaugh took over in 2015 was in need of a major rebuild. In college football before the transfer portal that took more than a couple of years. So, the record from 2015-2019 doesn’t look bad at all. They did well in 15 and 16 with some of the veterans Hoke recruited and players Harbaugh recruited. But then they ran into a big gap in veterans on the roster because of poor recruiting years and defections when it became apparent Hoke wouldn’t be around long.
The big blemish was the Ohio State games which, more than anything, were a reflection of the massive talent advantage they had over everyone in the conference. OSU has only lost something like 10 conference games in the last 12 seasons, including the 3 to Michigan the last 3 years. If Michigan had traded places with Wisconsin in the divisions, and didn’t have to play OSU every year, they likely would have had a couple of conference title game appearances and Wisconsin would have had none.
Harbaugh took a lot of criticism, largely from media haters and fans with unrealistic expectations, but I think most people realized that there wasn’t anyone more likely to lift Michigan back to being competitive with OSU. It took a return to the physical style of play that made Harbaugh successful at Stanford to make it happen.
With that mission accomplished Harbaugh can go back to the NFL and get out from under the pettiness of the NCAA.
The team he inherited had a lot of good players except at QB. They were just terribly coached under Brady Hoke’s staff. The ‘15 and ‘16 teams put a lot of kids into the NFL.
His biggest problem was QB during that stretch. They missed on their evaluations on John O’Korn (transfer) and Brandon Peters, a 4* who was never that good. They thought they fixed it with Shea Patterson but he preferred girls and parties. Dylan McCaffrey (of that family) was a bust, too. Lot of kids got drafted from those teams but the QB held them back.
Like you said, making wholesale staff changes post-covid was the other difference. He hired younger, more innovative guys.
I don’t see a reason not to try the NFL if that’s still a thing that he wants.
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Remember that after 2020 Harbaugh had to take a cut to his base salary and signed an incentive-laden extension. Also he fired his defensive coordinator and pretty much demoted his offensive coordinator.
Yeah, the staff changes were the difference, imo. Sherrone Moore is pretty conservative as a play caller but he can be. The DC is a star in the making. They have talent but I thought his game plans during the playoffs were incredible. Completely flummoxed Penix last night and managed to do what is necessary against good QBs, hit them and hit them a lot
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He's 60. If he ever wants to get back in the NFL, now maybe the last time. I would think the Chargers' opening would look quite attractive. Although the Raiders will probably throw more money at him.
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He's 60. If he ever wants to get back in the NFL, now maybe the last time. I would think the Chargers' opening would look quite attractive. Although the Raiders will probably throw more money at him.
I do not want to see him in Chicago.
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The team he inherited had a lot of good players except at QB. They were just terribly coached under Brady Hoke’s staff. The ‘15 and ‘16 teams put a lot of kids into the NFL.
His biggest problem was QB during that stretch. They missed on their evaluations on John O’Korn (transfer) and Brandon Peters, a 4* who was never that good. They thought they fixed it with Shea Patterson but he preferred girls and parties. Dylan McCaffrey (of that family) was a bust, too. Lot of kids got drafted from those teams but the QB held them back.
Like you said, making wholesale staff changes post-covid was the other difference. He hired younger, more innovative guys.
I don’t see a reason not to try the NFL if that’s still a thing that he wants.
Absolutely true about the talented players on the 15 and 16 teams and how they improved with better coaching. But, as I said, there were major holes in the two classes behind that because of uncertainty over Hoke’s status and the fact that recruiting in 2015 was largely over before Harbaugh was hired in early January. So, by 2017 they were very thin in the upper classes and took a step back to 5-4 in the conference.
I agree about the QB issues holding them back in 17-19. It was always assumed that Harbaugh would bring in and develop good QBs and it didn’t happen, at least until McCarthy.
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Absolutely true about the talented players on the 15 and 16 teams and how they improved with better coaching. But, as I said, there were major holes in the two classes behind that because of uncertainty over Hoke’s status and the fact that recruiting in 2015 was largely over before Harbaugh was hired in early January. So, by 2017 they were very thin in the upper classes and took a step back to 5-4 in the conference.
I agree about the QB issues holding them back in 17-19. It was always assumed that Harbaugh would bring in and develop good QBs and it didn’t happen, at least until McCarthy.
The ‘17 team probably has better results if they have Speight for the whole year. That offense cratered when he got hurt
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Yeah, the staff changes were the difference, imo. Sherrone Moore is pretty conservative as a play caller but he can be. The DC is a star in the making. They have talent but I thought his game plans during the playoffs were incredible. Completely flummoxed Penix last night and managed to do what is necessary against good QBs, hit them and hit them a lot
Interesting that Minter's big experience before going back to the major college ranks and where he made his leap...was with John Harbaugh in Baltimore.
Love him or hate him, Harbaugh's track record as a coach is pretty incredible, at all levels. Won big at USD which is non-scholarship and then at one of the harder jobs in the country at Stanford (at a time when the Pac-10 was pretty tough). And then, regardless of how it ended, 3 straight NFC Championship games and a SB appearance in 4 years in San Fran is impressive. Then as stated, the rebuild and revitalization in Ann Arbor has been pretty amazing, especially since its not like it coincided with a downturn or low period for OSU.
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Interesting that Minter's big experience before going back to the major college ranks and where he made his leap...was with John Harbaugh in Baltimore.
Minter was hired as DC in 2022 to replace Mike MacDonald, who had been a Ravens position coach and came to Michigan as DC in 2021 on John Harbaugh’s recommendation. John brought MacDonald back to the Ravens in 2022 to be his DC and Michigan hired Minter from Vanderbilt to be his replacement.
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Saban retiring.
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Saban out.
To clarify, he's retiring.
Absolutely the greatest college football coach of all time. And one who I really have grown to enjoy - he is weirdly intense and quirky, and he has kinda leaned into it in a funny way.
It's going to be interesting to see what's next. If Dabo hadn't fallen off like he has the last few years, I would have thought he would be a shoo-in.
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Dabo come on down
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RIP Bama dynasty
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Dabo come on down
Nah, that ship has sailed.
My money says Lane Kiffin (there's a reason he didn't take the Auburn gig last year) or Dan Lanning (former Bama assistant).
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Wonder if they take a crack at the Washington coach
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Nah, that ship has sailed.
My money says Lane Kiffin (there's a reason he didn't take the Auburn gig last year) or Dan Lanning (former Bama assistant).
Not positive Lanning takes it but I would. Going to the Big Ten is going to suck.
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Absolutely the greatest college football coach of all time. And one who I really have grown to enjoy - he is weirdly intense and quirky, and he has kinda leaned into it in a funny way.
He seemed to all of a sudden pop into some serious self awareness midway through his time at Bama and became really entertaining. He was a classic obsessive weirdo coach for a long time and then 180’d into a philosophical sort of interview. He was super likable and pragmatic/realistic in the way he spoke about the sport the last 5-7 years…the anti-Dabo.
The coaching search will be fascinating cause it’s actually a horrible job. Insane suffocating fan base and expectations in a brutal conference with the current best program in the country always in your way…plus following the best coach of all time.
Lanning is being reported as the top candidate but I would actually be shocked if he left Oregon to take it
Kiffin is a good shout and may be brash enough to find a way to make it work
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Never be the coach who replaces a legend.
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He seemed to all of a sudden pop into some serious self awareness midway through his time at Bama and became really entertaining. He was a classic obsessive weirdo coach for a long time and then 180’d into a philosophical sort of interview. He was super likable and pragmatic/realistic in the way he spoke about the sport the last 5-7 years…the anti-Dabo.
The coaching search will be fascinating cause it’s actually a horrible job. Insane suffocating fan base and expectations in a brutal conference with the current best program in the country always in your way…plus following the best coach of all time.
Lanning is being reported as the top candidate but I would actually be shocked if he left Oregon to take it
Kiffin is a good shout and may be brash enough to find a way to make it work
I have a a large contingent of Bama grads in the family. Hasn’t been this dark since Bear Bryant died
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RIP Bama dynasty
It's an almost certainty the next coach won't measure up, because no one has ever measured up.
But if they make a good hire, it'll still be a top program. The money, facilities, culture, etc., aren't going away. This isn't Tom Osborne leaving Nebraska.
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Go full heel turn...Urban Meyer.
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Don’t sleep on Sark either
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Pat Fitzgerald is available
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Nah, that ship has sailed.
My money says Lane Kiffin (there's a reason he didn't take the Auburn gig last year) or Dan Lanning (former Bama assistant).
Was half-kidding but I'd bet money on a Lanning or Sark over Kiffin.
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DeMeco Ryans is an interesting possibility too
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It's an almost certainty the next coach won't measure up, because no one has ever measured up.
But if they make a good hire, it'll still be a top program. The money, facilities, culture, etc., aren't going away. This isn't Tom Osborne leaving Nebraska.
No, not a chance they become irrelevant like Nebraska but no coach is winning 6 titles in 17 years and play in 3 other title games.
His ability to overcome staff changes, rosters full of early entries and not stagnate and be willing to adapt to a game around him is unmatched. He’s the greatest ever.
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I’ll say, rumors had been swirling in the far reaches of the intrawebs about this possibility. Won’t be shocked if Bama people were aware of this and have been working behind the scenes to have a replacement ready
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I’ll say, rumors had been swirling in the far reaches of the intrawebs about this possibility. Won’t be shocked if Bama people were aware of this and have been working behind the scenes to have a replacement ready
Agree, I doubt this caught anyone in Tuscaloosa off guard. I’d actually be more surprised if Saban wasn’t/isn’t closely involved in selecting his replacement than if he just surprised everyone out of nowhere.
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Harbaugh. John and Jim as co head coaches. Crean as recruiting coordinator.
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Tuberville to bama
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DeMeco Ryans is an interesting possibility too
Not even a sliver of a chance. A young NFL HC who made it to that level before the age of 40, who just made the playoffs in his first year and has spent his entire coaching career in the NFL, is not going back to take a college job.
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I have a a large contingent of Bama grads in the family. Hasn’t been this dark since Bear Bryant died
Did they go to ‘Bama before or after they started requiring a GED to attend?
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Liked Saban since he was at Michigan State .
Bama has a long history of success and I am confident their next Head Coach will continue in that tradition.
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Liked Saban since he was at Michigan State .
Bama has a long history of success and I am confident their next Head Coach will continue in that tradition.
I have no doubt Bama will continue to be very successful but it would not shock me if 6 years from now if we are asking "has it really been 10 years since Bama won it all?". For someone to be even half as successful as Saban would be an monstrous achievement.
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I was reading a story this morning about the only time Saban was fired. He was the defensive backs coach under Earl Bruce, and Bruce fired the entire defensive staff after a bowl game - that they won. One of the reasons was that the defensive staff was seeing that the Big Ten was becoming more of a passing league, and Saban wanted guys who could cover, while Bruce was in favor of more defensive backs who could hit.
Anyway, the guy Saban replaced as defensive backs coach when he got the job? Pete Carroll.
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I liked this from Yahoo Sports:
Saban didn't just build a powerhouse football program at Alabama — he transformed the university and the city. Since his arrival, Tuscaloosa has grown from 89,000 residents to 110,000, and Alabama's enrollment has jumped from 25,000 to 40,000, with out-of-state students now representing a majority of its student body.
Alabama paid Saban more than $130 million over his 16 seasons there. As Huddle Up's Joe Pompliano notes, you could argue he was worth more than $1 billion.
"Nick Saban is the best investment this university has ever made," said Alabama chancellor Robert Witt in a 2013 interview with "60 Minutes."
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I liked this from Yahoo Sports:
Saban didn't just build a powerhouse football program at Alabama — he transformed the university and the city. Since his arrival, Tuscaloosa has grown from 89,000 residents to 110,000, and Alabama's enrollment has jumped from 25,000 to 40,000, with out-of-state students now representing a majority of its student body.
Alabama paid Saban more than $130 million over his 16 seasons there. As Huddle Up's Joe Pompliano notes, you could argue he was worth more than $1 billion.
"Nick Saban is the best investment this university has ever made," said Alabama chancellor Robert Witt in a 2013 interview with "60 Minutes."
Good stuff. I don't know if I would actually want that job after Saban. No matter how good that guy is, he is assured to be a step backwards.
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Spencer Hall wrote this about Saban:
"His first championship came at LSU, a program Saban completely gutted and renovated on every level. Ask Marcus Spears how he changed the way black athletes in the state of Louisiana felt about the school prior to his arrival. Nick Saban changed what LSU was in the early 2000s, and in the course of doing so, changed what they’ve been ever since: The premiere program in the state, and a legit national championship threat.
He rebuilt Alabama, too, something previously thought impossible. Before Saban, Alabama’s fractious parliament of power brokers elected coaches via melee. When they hired Saban in 2007, he stripped their siege engines for parts and told the booster corps to shut up and let him cook. Nick never blasphemed The Bear, but he also never publicly bent knee either to the Tuscaloosa old guard or its bloated self-estimation of Alabama’s innate worth. Saban got on the boosters’ necks to shut up and write checks, displayed no tolerance for much of the static that dogged his predecessors, and via the only currency anybody involved understood (dubs, darlin’), began to amalgamate a creature that only answered to him and the scoreboard."
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My two favorite Saban moments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qygVg7-T_Zo
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BOrxdGcGSdk
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Not going to be Lanning. I think the Lane Train rolls into town.
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Not going to be Lanning. I think the Lane Train rolls into town.
As good as Lanning is, is he Bama good? Feels like they need someone with a longer resume. Two years as a head coach seems a little risky for Bama. I see he has said he is not going to Bama, but is that a self serving stunt to make himself look like a legit candidate?
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As good as Lanning is, is he Bama good? Feels like they need someone with a longer resume. Two years as a head coach seems a little risky for Bama. I see he has said he is not going to Bama, but is that a self serving stunt to make himself look like a legit candidate?
Lanning says he's not leaving.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1745490828850815112
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As good as Lanning is, is he Bama good? Feels like they need someone with a longer resume. Two years as a head coach seems a little risky for Bama. I see he has said he is not going to Bama, but is that a self serving stunt to make himself look like a legit candidate?
He was a HIGHLY touted DC when he was at Georgia (think Kirby Smart level buzz when he was the DC at Bama) and then has been really good at Oregon. I think he was a very real, very deserving candidate who used his declining of the job as a brilliant recruiting tactic/video.
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FWIW, Bama players reportedly were told yesterday to expect an announcement of the new coach within 72 hours.
So, if that's accurate, I imagine that means they had their guy locked in, or close to locked in, before Saban announced he was leaving.
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FWIW, Bama players reportedly were told yesterday to expect an announcement of the new coach within 72 hours.
So, if that's accurate, I imagine that means they had their guy locked in, or close to locked in, before Saban announced he was leaving.
I haven't seen much Bill O'Brien love, but he would be very available.
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FWIW, Bama players reportedly were told yesterday to expect an announcement of the new coach within 72 hours.
So, if that's accurate, I imagine that means they had their guy locked in, or close to locked in, before Saban announced he was leaving.
They should purposely make a terrible hire, give a weak payout and ride out 2 terrible years so they can hire someone that isn’t directly replacing Saban then.
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They should purposely make a terrible hire, give a weak payout and ride out 2 terrible years so they can hire someone that isn’t directly replacing Saban then.
Plus they’ll have all those high draft picks.
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I haven't seen much Bill O'Brien love, but he would be very available.
So am I.
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So am I.
That's what she said.
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FSU facing NCAA sanctions
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ncaa-levies-significant-penalties-on-florida-state-for-nil-recruiting-violations-002044975.html
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ESPN and The Athletic have said DeBoer and Norvell are the leading candidates for Alabama. The Athletic also included Reese as a 3rd candidate.
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ESPN and The Athletic have said DeBoer and Norvell are the leading candidates for Alabama. The Athletic also included Reese as a 3rd candidate.
Della?
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Della?
Milton.
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FSU facing NCAA sanctions
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ncaa-levies-significant-penalties-on-florida-state-for-nil-recruiting-violations-002044975.html
Finally some consequences for Bill Self and Kansas' actions.
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Milton.
Pee Wee
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Pee Wee
Pokey
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Pokey
The guy who invented peanut butter cups.
He's the real GOAT.
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I'd imagine Rees is just a filler interview given proximity. A 31 year old with a single year as an OC in Tuscaloosa is a wild candidate to take over Bama...short of the cannon fodder replacement for 2 years to bridge until a real candidate takes over so they don't have to follow Saban, as was mentioned.
The only other candidate equally as crazy Ive seen named, unless for the same reason, is Mike Locksley. I know he was a coordinator for a couple years at Bama, but a guy who is 31-59 in 8.5 seasons as a HC is a laughable name to mention. He was a abysmal in New Mexico and he's been fine in Maryland, but 11-17 in the B10 over the last 3 seasons is closer to getting fired than getting promoted.
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I'd imagine Rees is just a filler interview given proximity. A 31 year old with a single year as an OC in Tuscaloosa is a wild candidate to take over Bama...short of the cannon fodder replacement for 2 years to bridge until a real candidate takes over so they don't have to follow Saban, as was mentioned.
The only other candidate equally as crazy Ive seen named, unless for the same reason, is Mike Locksley. I know he was a coordinator for a couple years at Bama, but a guy who is 31-59 in 8.5 seasons as a HC is a laughable name to mention. He was a abysmal in New Mexico and he's been fine in Maryland, but 11-17 in the B10 over the last 3 seasons is closer to getting fired than getting promoted.
If they hired Locksley, I’d quit my job and move to Alabama just to chronicle it.
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Kalen DeBoer canceled a scheduled in-studio radio appearance this morning in Seattle.
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Kalen DeBoer canceled a scheduled in-studio radio appearance this morning in Seattle.
Joel Klatt also wrote yesterday he thinks DeBoer is the guy. Man, that's a meteoric rise.
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Joel Klatt also wrote yesterday he thinks DeBoer is the guy. Man, that's a meteoric rise.
Think his ceiling is high. Alabama is a tough job because of the politics behind the scenes. Fanbase, boosters and alum are insane. Unless you’ve experienced it, it’s really hard to comprehend.
Saban navigated it beautifully and never backed down. If he supports the hire and backs him, that will help immensely. Can’t be like RichRod at Michigan where Lloyd Carr didn’t offer any support
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Whoever gets the job, the biggest winner in this will be Jimmy Sexton.
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Joel Klatt also wrote yesterday he thinks DeBoer is the guy. Man, that's a meteoric rise.
Coached a friend of mine at University of Sioux Falls. Sounds like a good dude.
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Sounds like DeBoer is basically done.
Saban made a lot of dudes a lot of money this week.
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Sounds like DeBoer is basically done.
Saban made a lot of dudes a lot of money this week.
A little surprising but make more sense than Lanning. Better resume, been to the CFP and National Championship game.
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Wonder if they take a crack at the Washington coach
Called it
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Called it
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
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This week’s biggest winner
https://x.com/joepompliano/status/1745901933905207630?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg (https://x.com/joepompliano/status/1745901933905207630?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg)
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Honestly, DeBoer may be the best choice out of the bunch. I think its a murderous job for someone who has spent their career in the P5 realm with tons of resources but not the insanity of expectations and demands of Bama. But for someone who has coached and succeeded at all levels and has done amazing things with very little, its probably the most suited someone can be. And he's still relatively young but plenty seasoned.
Obviously, the path from the NAIA to Tuscaloosa is crazy, but on a shorter timeframe, also crazy to go from coordinator at mediocre FCS program to HC at Bama in under 10 years.
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Jedd Fisch gets the Washington gig.
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Jedd Fisch gets the Washington gig.
Higher upside at Washington I suppose but thought he had it rolling at Arizona
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Honestly, DeBoer may be the best choice out of the bunch. I think its a murderous job for someone who has spent their career in the P5 realm with tons of resources but not the insanity of expectations and demands of Bama. But for someone who has coached and succeeded at all levels and has done amazing things with very little, its probably the most suited someone can be. And he's still relatively young but plenty seasoned.
Obviously, the path from the NAIA to Tuscaloosa is crazy, but on a shorter timeframe, also crazy to go from coordinator at mediocre FCS program to HC at Bama in under 10 years.
I like the choice . Whoever takes the job following a legend has big shoes to fill. A young up and comer will have the energy necessary to deal with the expectations and convincing recruits to come to Bama
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Someone mentioned Blutarsky earlier:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39337111/miami-te-cam-mccormick-granted-ninth-year-eligibility (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39337111/miami-te-cam-mccormick-granted-ninth-year-eligibility)
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Someone mentioned Blutarsky earlier:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39337111/miami-te-cam-mccormick-granted-ninth-year-eligibility (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39337111/miami-te-cam-mccormick-granted-ninth-year-eligibility)
It better be Cam McCormick, MD by the end of the season.
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It better be Cam McCormick, MD by the end of the season.
Lots of people go to college for nine years.
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Lots of people go to college for nine years.
Usually playing basketball at UW-Madison
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Usually playing basketball at UW-Madison
I don't know if that is factually true, but it sure as hell feels like it.
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Called it
No. You “wondered if” they might. Much different than calling it, but allow me to be the second person to congratulate you nonetheless.
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Exodus from Bama?
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Exodus from Bama?
https://247sports.com/college/alabama/article/kalen-deboer-on-alabamas-run-of-transfer-portal-departures-im-really-not-alarmed-at-all-225745408/#:~:text=%22I'm%20really%20not%20alarmed,without%20transitions%20of%20head%20coaches.%22
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Steve Ross , Dolphins owner and Michigan Grad , is reportedly behind the dollars attempting to keep Harbaugh at Michigan. I wonder what Harbaughs magic number for staying with The Wolverines is?
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It was never about money.
Harbaugh wants a chance to win a Super Bowl.
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It was never about money.
Harbaugh wants a chance to win a Super Bowl.
Right? He’s 60, he’s a hit candidate. Waiting would be dumb and anyone at Michigan wishing him poorly comes off as a typical entitled sports fan.
It took longer than they wanted but 3 straight Big Ten titles, reversing the Ohio trends and winning a national title, something that doesn’t happen often in modern Michigan football.
They’ll take some lumps with the change but it might help not having to deal with the “is your coach leaving” questions and concerns each year
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https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/1/24/24049609/sherrone-moore-column-candidate-michigan-wolverines-college-football-head-coach-jim-harbaugh
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https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/1/24/24049609/sherrone-moore-column-candidate-michigan-wolverines-college-football-head-coach-jim-harbaugh
Moore make a lot of sense as the hire. I think it would be a great choice even with some of the risks.
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Right? He’s 60, he’s a hit candidate. Waiting would be dumb and anyone at Michigan wishing him poorly comes off as a typical entitled sports fan.
It took longer than they wanted but 3 straight Big Ten titles, reversing the Ohio trends and winning a national title, something that doesn’t happen often in modern Michigan football.
They’ll take some lumps with the change but it might help not having to deal with the “is your coach leaving” questions and concerns each year
Winning a national title doesn’t happen often to northern football, much less Michigan football. Michigan is the first team from outside the south to win the playoff since OSU in 2014.
They will take some lumps in the short term at least with the number of veteran players with eligibility remaining who left with a feeling of “Finished Business.”
The uncertainty over Harbaugh’s situation has hurt their recruiting both with high school players and in the transfer portal. Now for the next 30 days it will be open season for teams with wads of NIL money to spend to poach their players. Could be seeing an exodus like Alabama.
But, the last 3 years make it all worth it.
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Moore make a lot of sense as the hire. I think it would be a great choice even with some of the risks.
The inside word for the last week has been that Moore will be the new coach but they have to go through some job posting formalities to make it official.
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https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2024/01/27/sherrone-moore-michigan-wolverines-football-coach-news-conference/72380056007/
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Bill O'Brien's tenure as tOSU's offensive coordinator didn't last long.
https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/college/football/2024/02/05/report-obrien-to-leave-ohio-state-to-become-boston-college-coach/72480917007/
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That's a really good hire for BC. Obviously benefits from the fact he's from the area and lives there now. He'll keep them competitive enough to keep BC happy, but likely not competitive enough to make him attractive at a blue-blood.
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Chip Kelly leaving behind a mess at UCLA to become tOSU's offensive coordinator.
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Chip Kelly leaving behind a mess at UCLA to become tOSU's offensive coordinator.
UCLA must be a disaster
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UCLA must be a disaster
The rumors were that he would have been a lame-duck coach - produce big or be fired. So he left ahead of the pitchforks.
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Kelly was Ryan Day's OC when he was QB at NH and his first coaching job after school, and then plucked Day from a dead end OC role at BC under Addazio and brought him to Philly and then SF as his QB coach, which lead him to getting the OSU OC job and where he is now. So its a demotion but also going to work with/for one of his mentees.
I also think it further shows what a disaster UCLA's athletic department is. I also wonder if Kelly, at 60, is just sick of being a HC. Would rather just creatively scheme offense and call plays and do it with someone he is close with. And I imagine they won't make him recruit much cause Hartline is the ace in the hole with that.
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I think Kelly wants to be in the NFL to end his career and this is a better route than getting fired at UCLA next year.
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DeShaun Foster, who just left to become the Raiders RB coach, gets the HC job at UCLA.
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DeShaun Foster, who just left to become the Raiders RB coach, gets the HC job at UCLA.
Good luck with that
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Can't afford to pay players, though.
ESPN and the College Football Playoff are in agreement on a six-year, $7.8 billion extension that will make the network the home of the 12-team tournament through the 2031-32 season once CFP leaders sort out the specifics of how the postseason’s new era will operate, sources briefed on the deal told The Athletic.
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Can't afford to pay players, though.
ESPN and the College Football Playoff are in agreement on a six-year, $7.8 billion extension that will make the network the home of the 12-team tournament through the 2031-32 season once CFP leaders sort out the specifics of how the postseason’s new era will operate, sources briefed on the deal told The Athletic.
What? How is this possible? ESPN is DOOMED
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Playoff will be 5 highest ranked conf champs + 7 at large
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Oh no!
https://x.com/joepompliano/status/1759998228311753045?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg
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Oh no!
https://x.com/joepompliano/status/1759998228311753045?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg
Well, they avoid a conference championship game so I get the logic.
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Oh no!
https://x.com/joepompliano/status/1759998228311753045?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg
Going to be impossible for them to stay independent.
Good.
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Has Come along way since the substance abuse era.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39576581/texas-regents-approve-steve-sarkisian-extension-raise
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Going to be impossible for them to stay independent.
Good.
Disagree. Let them stay independent and come back to the Big East.
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Eric Bieniemy’s career going the wrong direction.
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Eric Bieniemy’s career going the wrong direction.
I think the last year justified a lot of people's concerns. Not just how bad the offense was, but the buzz around his coaching style was not very positive.
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Eric Bieniemy’s career going the wrong direction.
I wonder if he realizes the ship probably has sailed on him getting an NFL head coaching gig and now he's hoping to land one in college.
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I think the last year justified a lot of people's concerns. Not just how bad the offense was, but the buzz around his coaching style was not very positive. this
Which is why everyone getting up in arms again about him not getting NFL HC jobs is so bizarre/lame. One of the top results if you search him right now is a USA Today article calling this recent development "shameful". Plenty of other African American assistants got HC gigs while he was the OC in KC. And then his first step outside Reid's system was a disaster on the field and in the locker room. There is plenty of valid criticism of the plight of minorities coaching in the NFL but continually acting like EB is the recipient of some calculated and targeted vendetta is just a matter of ignoring all the evidence at this point to continue a narrative.
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Yeah, I saw that article and I thought it was exceptionally lazy. Especially in this cycle where 3/7 head coaches hired were black, two of whom have never even been coordinators before.
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CFP negotiations are now off the rails with talks of a 14 team playoff with guaranteed first round byes for the B10 and SEC champions. Also rumors that the SEC and B10 have at least talked about pulling out of the NCAA and setting up an AFC and NFC type conference system.
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CFP negotiations are now off the rails with talks of a 14 team playoff with guaranteed first round byes for the B10 and SEC champions. Also rumors that the SEC and B10 have at least talked about pulling out of the NCAA and setting up an AFC and NFC type conference system.
This will crank up the FSU exit effort 10x.
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CFP negotiations are now off the rails with talks of a 14 team playoff with guaranteed first round byes for the B10 and SEC champions. Also rumors that the SEC and B10 have at least talked about pulling out of the NCAA and setting up an AFC and NFC type conference system.
The Big 33 and the SEC will leave the NCAA by the end of the summer. At least in football
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Hasn't Reggie Bush suffered enough? Now this: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39639031/johnny-manziel-backs-reggie-bush-skip-heisman-honors (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39639031/johnny-manziel-backs-reggie-bush-skip-heisman-honors)
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U of Michigan WR Legend Braylon Edwards ,is a Good Samaritan , saves 80 year old man from beating at hands of 25 year .
https://x.com/woodwardsports/status/1763969944344047899?s=20
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Interesting read in The Athletic about a plan with some notable backers to completely overhaul college football. The idea for promotion is pretty wild, but the fact that P5 schools + Notre Dame would be shielded from it kind of takes away the fun.
https://theathletic.com/5383639/2024/04/03/college-football-super-league-cst-realignment/
One league overseeing college football’s highest level. No more conferences as we’ve known them. Playoff berths being decided solely on the field. Promotion and relegation for smaller schools. Players being paid directly. NIL and the transfer portal, managed.
A group of influential leaders wants to make all this happen soon — and they are pitching it as the best way forward for a sport they believe needs saving.
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Interesting read in The Athletic about a plan with some notable backers to completely overhaul college football. The idea for promotion is pretty wild, but the fact that P5 schools + Notre Dame would be shielded from it kind of takes away the fun.
https://theathletic.com/5383639/2024/04/03/college-football-super-league-cst-realignment/
One league overseeing college football’s highest level. No more conferences as we’ve known them. Playoff berths being decided solely on the field. Promotion and relegation for smaller schools. Players being paid directly. NIL and the transfer portal, managed.
A group of influential leaders wants to make all this happen soon — and they are pitching it as the best way forward for a sport they believe needs saving.
"Thus far, the group is struggling to gain traction with the schools that would play in their proposed “Super League.” The ACC board of directors heard a presentation from the group in February. However, planned dinners with administrators from the Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 all were called off. Spokespersons for the Big Ten and SEC said commissioners Petitti and Greg Sankey, respectively, have not met with Perna’s group."
Good luck!