collapse

Recent Posts

Server Upgrade - This is the new server by rocky_warrior
[Today at 06:04:17 PM]


Big East 2024 -25 Results by Herman Cain
[Today at 05:57:33 PM]


Owens out Monday by TAMU, Knower of Ball
[Today at 03:23:08 PM]


Shaka Preseason Availability by Tyler COLEk
[Today at 03:14:12 PM]


Marquette Picked #3 in Big East Conference Preview by Jay Bee
[Today at 02:04:27 PM]


Get to know Ben Steele by Hidden User
[Today at 12:14:10 PM]


Deleted by TallTitan34
[Today at 09:31:48 AM]

Please Register - It's FREE!

The absolute only thing required for this FREE registration is a valid e-mail address. We keep all your information confidential and will NEVER give or sell it to anyone else.
Login to get rid of this box (and ads) , or register NOW!


Another mass shooting-Greenwood Indiana

Started by lawdog77, July 18, 2022, 07:42:54 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

Pakuni

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2022, 07:42:54 AM
https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37

Shooter killed by Good Samaritan

In today's America, "only" four people dead and two injured because of our dumb gun laws is apparently cause for celebration, at least among the wingnuts. I'm guessing the victims' loved ones would have much preferred the killer never gotten a gun in the first place than this outcome.

And, remind me, in which part of Jesus' parable did the Good Samaritan blow away the robbers?

lawdog77

Quote from: Pakuni on July 18, 2022, 08:53:42 AM
In today's America, "only" four people dead and two injured because of our dumb gun laws is apparently cause for celebration, at least among the wingnuts. I'm guessing the victims' loved ones would have much preferred the killer never gotten a gun in the first place than this outcome.

And, remind me, in which part of Jesus' parable did the Good Samaritan blow away the robbers?
Well, we don't have the details yet about the killer. How'd he get the rifle etc, but the Good Samaratin was legally carrying a handgun, so skip over that part, I guess. I would think you could see the nuance Pakuni.

Uncle Rico

Lock I am before you are in dare I say hallelujah
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

MUBurrow

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2022, 09:16:02 AM
Well, we don't have the details yet about the killer. How'd he get the rifle etc, but the Good Samaratin was legally carrying a handgun, so skip over that part, I guess. I would think you could see the nuance Pakuni.

I would argue he is seeing the nuance.

tower912

Another mass shooting.   But it could have been worse, so high five.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

lawdog77

Quote from: MUBurrow on July 18, 2022, 09:59:27 AM
I would argue he is seeing the nuance.
Nobody is forgetting people needlessly lost their lives.

MUBurrow

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2022, 10:03:49 AM
Nobody is forgetting people needlessly lost their lives.

If you carry the "good guy with a gun" narrative to its logical conclusion, it requires that you accept large numbers of people  needlessly losing their lives.

lawdog77

Quote from: MUBurrow on July 18, 2022, 10:07:22 AM
If you carry the "good guy with a gun" narrative to its logical conclusion, it requires that you accept large numbers of people  needlessly losing their lives.
That's not how I see it. I see it as, there is a huge gun problems, but getting rid of all guns is a BAD idea.

MUBurrow

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2022, 10:11:12 AM
That's not how I see it. I see it as, there is a huge gun problems, but getting rid of all guns is a BAD idea.

You are entitled to your opinion and we've had this debate multiple times here already.  But I don't think it was a fair characterization that Pakuni's opinion lacks nuance.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2022, 10:11:12 AM
That's not how I see it. I see it as, there is a huge gun problems, but getting rid of all guns is a BAD idea.
It would actually be a great idea, but it will never happen. Hell, a 90% reduction (which also will never happen) would still leave, what, 40 to 50 MILLION guns floating around?
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

lawdog77

Quote from: MUBurrow on July 18, 2022, 10:12:39 AM
You are entitled to your opinion and we've had this debate multiple times here already.  But I don't think it was a fair characterization that Pakuni's opinion lacks nuance.
We will agree to disagree then.

brewcity77

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2022, 10:11:12 AM
That's not how I see it. I see it as, there is a huge gun problems, but getting rid of all guns is a BAD idea.

If you got rid of all guns, there would have been zero dead. Surprised you think 3 deaths is better than zero.  ?-(
This space reserved for a 2024 2025 National Championship celebration banner.

lawdog77

Quote from: brewcity77 on July 18, 2022, 10:25:59 AM
If you got rid of all guns, there would have been zero dead. Surprised you think 3 deaths is better than zero.  ?-(
Self defense. An intrufer comes into a 21 year old females apartment with the intent to rob and/or rape. Getting rid of all guns, is a BAD idea.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2022, 10:32:34 AM
Self defense. An intrufer comes into a 21 year old females apartment with the intent to rob and/or rape. Getting rid of all guns, is a BAD idea.

Well if people who commit crimes with guns would just commit crimes with knives or other weapons if guns were banned, wouldn't 21 year old females who self defend with guns just self defend with knives or other weapons?
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


lawdog77

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 18, 2022, 10:38:33 AM
Well if people who commit crimes with guns would just commit crimes with knives or other weapons if guns were banned, wouldn't 21 year old females who self defend with guns just self defend with knives or other weapons?
Unrealistic,  and even if the intruder didnt have a weapon, what type of self defense do you think this 21 year old female could use realistically?

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2022, 10:45:35 AM
Unrealistic,  and even if the intruder didnt have a weapon, what type of self defense do you think this 21 year old female could use realistically?

I am less serious about the second part of that that sentence than anti-gun responsibility conservatives are about the first part of that sentence. Both parts are illogical.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Uncle Rico

Imagine if Jesus had a gun?  He'd still be here
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


NCMUFan

Mods, please lock.  Politics and religion are again focus.

brewcity77

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2022, 10:32:34 AM
Self defense. An intrufer comes into a 21 year old females apartment with the intent to rob and/or rape. Getting rid of all guns, is a BAD idea.

Interesting choice of a total non-sequitur dodge of the question at hand.

Statistically, it's more likely that 21-year-old female would shoot herself or another resident of said apartment than the intruder. And given the options in either scenario, getting rid of all guns would be by far the safest scenario.
This space reserved for a 2024 2025 National Championship celebration banner.

Pakuni

#21
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2022, 10:32:34 AM
Self defense. An intrufer comes into a 21 year old females apartment with the intent to rob and/or rape. Getting rid of all guns, is a BAD idea.

1. There is no serious, substantial effort afoot to get rid of ALL guns. This is what is referred to as a "straw man."
2. Are you under the impression that 21-year-old females sit around in their apartments locked and loaded at all times?
3. Having a gun in the home makes you twice as likely to be a homicide victim than not having a gun in the home. The odds are even greater if you're a woman.

Pakuni


JWags85

Quote from: Pakuni on July 18, 2022, 12:30:02 PM
1. There is no serious, substantial effort afoot to get rid of ALL guns. This is what is referred to as a "straw man."

But 2 people in the thread have made the argument for it in the thread already. 

No meaningful effort legislatively?  Yes I agree.  But to act like its not a commonly expressed sentiment and anyone thinking in response to it is just hysterical and creating a straw man is also not entirely fair.

Ive already spoken in favor of more regulation and in admiration of the policies of a number of European countries that I would support, but I can also be honest and admit that "there is no reason for guns/should be no privately held guns" is not some rare or minimally held opinion.

brewcity77

Quote from: JWags85 on July 18, 2022, 12:42:04 PM
But 2 people in the thread have made the argument for it in the thread already. 

No meaningful effort legislatively?  Yes I agree.  But to act like its not a commonly expressed sentiment and anyone thinking in response to it is just hysterical and creating a straw man is also not entirely fair.

Ive already spoken in favor of more regulation and in admiration of the policies of a number of European countries that I would support, but I can also be honest and admit that "there is no reason for guns/should be no privately held guns" is not some rare or minimally held opinion.

No one made that claim until lawdog brought it up in this post:

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2022, 10:11:12 AM
That's not how I see it. I see it as, there is a huge gun problems, but getting rid of all guns is a BAD idea.

From that post, he very blatantly deflected away from the topic at hand to a completely fabricated straw man about a 21-year-old female that really has no relevance to the discussion at hand. The "2 people in the argument" you reference were simply responding to that post and the subsequent straw man.
This space reserved for a 2024 2025 National Championship celebration banner.