Another mass shooting-Greenwood Indiana

[lawdog77]

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37

Shooter killed by Good Samaritan

[Pakuni]

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37

Shooter killed by Good Samaritan

In today's America, "only" four people dead and two injured because of our dumb gun laws is apparently cause for celebration, at least among the wingnuts. I'm guessing the victims' loved ones would have much preferred the killer never gotten a gun in the first place than this outcome.

And, remind me, in which part of Jesus' parable did the Good Samaritan blow away the robbers?

[lawdog77]

In today's America, "only" four people dead and two injured because of our dumb gun laws is apparently cause for celebration, at least among the wingnuts. I'm guessing the victims' loved ones would have much preferred the killer never gotten a gun in the first place than this outcome.

And, remind me, in which part of Jesus' parable did the Good Samaritan blow away the robbers?

Well, we don't have the details yet about the killer. How'd he get the rifle etc, but the Good Samaratin was legally carrying a handgun, so skip over that part, I guess. I would think you could see the nuance Pakuni.

[Uncle Rico]

Lock I am before you are in dare I say hallelujah

[MUBurrow]

Well, we don't have the details yet about the killer. How'd he get the rifle etc, but the Good Samaratin was legally carrying a handgun, so skip over that part, I guess. I would think you could see the nuance Pakuni.

I would argue he is seeing the nuance.

[tower912]

Another mass shooting.   But it could have been worse, so high five.

[lawdog77]

I would argue he is seeing the nuance.

Nobody is forgetting people needlessly lost their lives.

[MUBurrow]

Nobody is forgetting people needlessly lost their lives.

If you carry the "good guy with a gun" narrative to its logical conclusion, it requires that you accept large numbers of people  needlessly losing their lives.

[lawdog77]

If you carry the "good guy with a gun" narrative to its logical conclusion, it requires that you accept large numbers of people  needlessly losing their lives.

That's not how I see it. I see it as, there is a huge gun problems, but getting rid of all guns is a BAD idea.

[MUBurrow]

That's not how I see it. I see it as, there is a huge gun problems, but getting rid of all guns is a BAD idea.

You are entitled to your opinion and we've had this debate multiple times here already.  But I don't think it was a fair characterization that Pakuni's opinion lacks nuance.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

That's not how I see it. I see it as, there is a huge gun problems, but getting rid of all guns is a BAD idea.

It would actually be a great idea, but it will never happen. Hell, a 90% reduction (which also will never happen) would still leave, what, 40 to 50 MILLION guns floating around?

[lawdog77]

You are entitled to your opinion and we've had this debate multiple times here already.  But I don't think it was a fair characterization that Pakuni's opinion lacks nuance.

We will agree to disagree then.

[brewcity77]

That's not how I see it. I see it as, there is a huge gun problems, but getting rid of all guns is a BAD idea.

If you got rid of all guns, there would have been zero dead. Surprised you think 3 deaths is better than zero. 

[lawdog77]

If you got rid of all guns, there would have been zero dead. Surprised you think 3 deaths is better than zero. 

Self defense. An intrufer comes into a 21 year old females apartment with the intent to rob and/or rape. Getting rid of all guns, is a BAD idea.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Self defense. An intrufer comes into a 21 year old females apartment with the intent to rob and/or rape. Getting rid of all guns, is a BAD idea.

Well if people who commit crimes with guns would just commit crimes with knives or other weapons if guns were banned, wouldn't 21 year old females who self defend with guns just self defend with knives or other weapons?

[lawdog77]

Well if people who commit crimes with guns would just commit crimes with knives or other weapons if guns were banned, wouldn't 21 year old females who self defend with guns just self defend with knives or other weapons?

Unrealistic,  and even if the intruder didnt have a weapon, what type of self defense do you think this 21 year old female could use realistically?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Unrealistic,  and even if the intruder didnt have a weapon, what type of self defense do you think this 21 year old female could use realistically?

I am less serious about the second part of that that sentence than anti-gun responsibility conservatives are about the first part of that sentence. Both parts are illogical.

[Uncle Rico]

Imagine if Jesus had a gun?  He’d still be here

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Imagine if Jesus had a gun?  He’d still be here

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[NCMUFan]

Mods, please lock.  Politics and religion are again focus.

[brewcity77]

Self defense. An intrufer comes into a 21 year old females apartment with the intent to rob and/or rape. Getting rid of all guns, is a BAD idea.

Interesting choice of a total non-sequitur dodge of the question at hand.

Statistically, it's more likely that 21-year-old female would shoot herself or another resident of said apartment than the intruder. And given the options in either scenario, getting rid of all guns would be by far the safest scenario.

[Pakuni]

Self defense. An intrufer comes into a 21 year old females apartment with the intent to rob and/or rape. Getting rid of all guns, is a BAD idea.

1. There is no serious, substantial effort afoot to get rid of ALL guns. This is what is referred to as a "straw man."
2. Are you under the impression that 21-year-old females sit around in their apartments locked and loaded at all times?
3. Having a gun in the home makes you twice as likely to be a homicide victim than not having a gun in the home. The odds are even greater if you're a woman.

[Pakuni]

Mods, please lock.  Politics and religion are again focus.

MYOB.

[JWags85]

1. There is no serious, substantial effort afoot to get rid of ALL guns. This is what is referred to as a "straw man."

But 2 people in the thread have made the argument for it in the thread already. 

No meaningful effort legislatively?  Yes I agree.  But to act like its not a commonly expressed sentiment and anyone thinking in response to it is just hysterical and creating a straw man is also not entirely fair.

Ive already spoken in favor of more regulation and in admiration of the policies of a number of European countries that I would support, but I can also be honest and admit that "there is no reason for guns/should be no privately held guns" is not some rare or minimally held opinion.

[brewcity77]

But 2 people in the thread have made the argument for it in the thread already. 

No meaningful effort legislatively?  Yes I agree.  But to act like its not a commonly expressed sentiment and anyone thinking in response to it is just hysterical and creating a straw man is also not entirely fair.

Ive already spoken in favor of more regulation and in admiration of the policies of a number of European countries that I would support, but I can also be honest and admit that "there is no reason for guns/should be no privately held guns" is not some rare or minimally held opinion.

No one made that claim until lawdog brought it up in this post:

That's not how I see it. I see it as, there is a huge gun problems, but getting rid of all guns is a BAD idea.

From that post, he very blatantly deflected away from the topic at hand to a completely fabricated straw man about a 21-year-old female that really has no relevance to the discussion at hand. The "2 people in the argument" you reference were simply responding to that post and the subsequent straw man.