In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws

[Uncle Rico]

Ever think they will enact some common sense gun responsibility measures, just maybe they are actually formulating something that will work and not some spur of the moment crap that wont do much (like a lot of legislation seems to do)

In Texas?  Absolutely not

[Pakuni]

Ever think they will enact some common sense gun responsibility measures, just maybe they are actually formulating something that will work and not some spur of the moment crap that wont do much (like a lot of legislation seems to do)

You mean like after Sandy Hook and Parkland?

[Lennys Tap]

Matthew McConaughey hit it out of the park in a speech at the White House today. Made the “leaders” of both parties (and most scoopers) look like the stubborn partisan fools they are on this issue.

If we could accept EVERYTHING he said and act on it we might have real progress and perhaps even a little healing. It was a wonderful moment - actually made me optimistic if only for a moment.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Matthew McConaughey hit it out of the park in a speech at the White House today. Made the “leaders” of both parties (and most scoopers) look like the stubborn partisan fools they are on this issue.

If we could accept EVERYTHING he said and act on it we might have real progress and perhaps even a little healing. It was a wonderful moment - actually made me optimistic if only for a moment.

Right, because it's "both sides" that have blocked every single piece of responsible gun legislation in the last 20 years. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Matthew McConaughey hit it out of the park in a speech at the White House today. Made the “leaders” of both parties (and most scoopers) look like the stubborn partisan fools they are on this issue.

If we could accept EVERYTHING he said and act on it we might have real progress and perhaps even a little healing. It was a wonderful moment - actually made me optimistic if only for a moment.

I saw the speech. It was great, but it sounded like what a lot of Scoopers and many left leaning politicians have been saying for years on this topic. I personally don't think his proposed remedies go far enough but I would gladly try them and would be happy to be wrong if they proved to be effective enough.

[jesmu84]

I'd love to see what would happen to Matthew if he ran in a GOP primary in Texas with his gun control ideas as his major platform

[brewcity77]

I'd love to see what would happen to Matthew if he ran in a GOP primary in Texas with his gun control ideas as his major platform

I'm sure he'd get murdered. Hopefully not literally.

[Uncle Rico]

I'd love to see what would happen to Matthew if he ran in a GOP primary in Texas with his gun control ideas as his major platform

He’d lose.  His speech was from the heart and believable but his fellow Texans won’t care.

[lawdog77]

You mean like after Sandy Hook and Parkland?

I guess I should have put it in teal

[Lennys Tap]

I saw the speech. It was great, but it sounded like what a lot of Scoopers and many left leaning politicians have been saying for years on this topic. I personally don't think his proposed remedies go far enough but I would gladly try them and would be happy to be wrong if they proved to be effective enough.

Not to me. His speech was balanced. He realizes that the issue is multifaceted. Should an 18 year old be allowed to buy an AR 15? Should there be waiting periods? And other gun restrictions? Sure. On the other hand, should we do a better job of protecting our schools? What about red flag laws, dealing with young men who have obvious mental health problems? How about enforcing gun laws now on the books and toughening sentences for crimes committed with firearms? And maybe even stop demonizing law abiding responsible gun owners?

[Jockey]

Matthew McConaughey hit it out of the park in a speech at the White House today. Made the “leaders” of both parties (and most scoopers) look like the stubborn partisan fools they are on this issue.

If we could accept EVERYTHING he said and act on it we might have real progress and perhaps even a little healing. It was a wonderful moment - actually made me optimistic if only for a moment.

That’s all garbage, Lenny. Pretend all you want that it is both sides, but you’re lying to yourself and to us.

Again today, Rs said they were fine with 18 year old kids buying weapons of war that destroy bodies. Little kids who couldn’t even be identified except from their parents DNA.

That comes from only one side.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I'd love to see what would happen to Matthew if he ran in a GOP primary in Texas with his gun control ideas as his major platform

He's a Democrat FWIW although I think he was thinking about running for Governor as an Independent in 2022.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

This is where we are:

https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1534161467288670208

[MU82]

Not to me. His speech was balanced. He realizes that the issue is multifaceted. Should an 18 year old be allowed to buy an AR 15? Should there be waiting periods? And other gun restrictions? Sure. On the other hand, should we do a better job of protecting our schools? What about red flag laws, dealing with young men who have obvious mental health problems? How about enforcing gun laws now on the books and toughening sentences for crimes committed with firearms? And maybe even stop demonizing law abiding responsible gun owners?

I am on board with everything you just outlined, Tony, and I've asked for just about all of those gun-responsibility measures in this and other gun-related threads.

Glad you're on board, too, and I trust that you will vote during the next election with those points in mind. Let's work together to save some lives!

[Pakuni]

And maybe even stop demonizing law abiding responsible gun owners?

Do you believe law-abiding, responsible gun owners oppose reasonable gun control measures - red flags, age limits, magazine limits, background checks - not because they disagree with such measures, but because they feel demonized?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Not to me. His speech was balanced. He realizes that the issue is multifaceted. Should an 18 year old be allowed to buy an AR 15? Should there be waiting periods? And other gun restrictions? Sure. On the other hand, should we do a better job of protecting our schools? What about red flag laws, dealing with young men who have obvious mental health problems? How about enforcing gun laws now on the books and toughening sentences for crimes committed with firearms? And maybe even stop demonizing law abiding responsible gun owners?

I'm glad to hear that you are on the team Lenny. I hope that we can see some meaningful progress on this topic

[JWags85]

Do you believe law-abiding, responsible gun owners oppose reasonable gun control measures - red flags, age limits, magazine limits, background checks - not because they disagree with such measures, but because they feel demonized?

Could they not be opposed to those measures, but they don't trust those proposing them cause they do feel demonized?  I think the opposition would be to those proposing them as to the explicit measure itself.

I can't speak for gun ownership or the feeling, but I have felt that way about some politicians on economic taxing issues...in that I fundamentally disagree with how they view/demonize business/the free market and wouldn't trust them to only enact "minor" changes.

[MU82]

Could they not be opposed to those measures, but they don't trust those proposing them cause they do feel demonized?  I think the opposition would be to those proposing them as to the explicit measure itself.

I can't speak for gun ownership or the feeling, but I have felt that way about some politicians on economic taxing issues...in that I fundamentally disagree with how they view/demonize business/the free market and wouldn't trust them to only enact "minor" changes.

Hmmm.

So this is why the majority of GOP congresspeople won’t enact gun-responsibility laws?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Matthew McConaughey hit it out of the park in a speech at the White House today. Made the “leaders” of both parties (and most scoopers) look like the stubborn partisan fools they are on this issue.

If we could accept EVERYTHING he said and act on it we might have real progress and perhaps even a little healing. It was a wonderful moment - actually made me optimistic if only for a moment.

Oh look Lenny, "both sides" acting like stubborn partisan fools.

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1534332233816981508
JUST IN: Republican leadership just sent out a notice telling all House Republicans to vote against common-sense gun safety bills tonight because the NRA opposes them— they told them all to refer to the Protect Our Kids Act as the “Unconstitutional Gun Restrictions Act.”

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Do you believe law-abiding, responsible gun owners oppose reasonable gun control measures - red flags, age limits, magazine limits, background checks - not because they disagree with such measures, but because they feel demonized?

I want to do what I believe to be the right thing to do.  However, since an unnamed they hurt my feelings, I will oppose.

ok.

[muwarrior69]

Oh look Lenny, "both sides" acting like stubborn partisan fools.

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1534332233816981508
JUST IN: Republican leadership just sent out a notice telling all House Republicans to vote against common-sense gun safety bills tonight because the NRA opposes them— they told them all to refer to the Protect Our Kids Act as the “Unconstitutional Gun Restrictions Act.”

I don't think the bill would pass constitutional muster in the courts; especially with limits on magazine capacity. Take that out there might be some agreement.

https://congressionalsportsmen.org/policies/state/full-capacity-magazines

[Pakuni]

I want to do what I believe to be the right thing to do.  However, since an unnamed they hurt my feelings, I will oppose.

ok.

Ding Ding Ding!
If you believe things like age limits, background checks and red flag laws will make us safer and save lives, but will oppose them because someone said something on Facebook that hurt your feels or you fall for some slippery slope fallacy, then you deserve every bit of demonization.

[muwarrior69]

I am on board with everything you just outlined, Tony, and I've asked for just about all of those gun-responsibility measures in this and other gun-related threads.

Glad you're on board, too, and I trust that you will vote during the next election with those points in mind. Let's work together to save some lives!

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Your point is well taken, but the high cost of gas, groceries and just about everything else with no plan in sight to get the country on the right track is what will drive people to the polls this fall, not gun control.

[Uncle Rico]

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Your point is well taken, but the high cost of gas, groceries and just about everything else with no plan in sight to get the country on the right track is what will drive people to the polls this fall, not gun control.

It’s driving me to the polls, along with Roe. 

[JWags85]

Hmmm.

So this is why the majority of GOP congresspeople won’t enact gun-responsibility laws?

Thats a completely different issue that I didn't speak to.  I was only talking gun owners who don't have lobbyists and party politic BS to deal with.

Ding Ding Ding!
If you believe things like age limits, background checks and red flag laws will make us safer and save lives, but will oppose them because someone said something on Facebook that hurt your feels or you fall for some slippery slope fallacy, then you deserve every bit of demonization.

Yes, cause the only people in the US who have EVER demonized legal gun ownership is just some anonymous idiot on social media