Marquette Crime Reports

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Terrible news for dentists:

Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/people-think-crime-rate-up-actually-down-rcna129585

"Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.

"The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.

Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.

Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.

The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.

Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.

Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.

So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption."

[Herman Cain]

Terrible news for dentists:

Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/people-think-crime-rate-up-actually-down-rcna129585

"Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.

"The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.

Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.

Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.

The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.

Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.

Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.

So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption."

Was recently at a corporate event, in discussions with others many corporations are experiencing heavy level of Trucks hijacked, facilities robbed at gunpoint and constant cyber attacks .

They also report many drug related home invasions in the communities they operate in. More and more employees are armed for self protection at home and at work, which creates its own set of problems.

Auto theft  in these stats is up and is a precursor to even more violent crime.

[Jockey]

Was recently at a corporate event, in discussions with others many corporations are experiencing heavy level of Trucks hijacked, facilities robbed at gunpoint and constant cyber attacks .

They also report many drug related home invasions in the communities they operate in. More and more employees are armed for self protection at home and at work, which creates its own set of problems.

Auto theft  in these stats is up and is a precursor to even more violent crime.

Did your meetings with the FBI go well? What advice did you offer them to fight this massive spike in crime.


I am literally scared to even leave my house with this massive spike in crime.

[JWags85]

Cyber attacks I can understand, Ive known a number of companies dealing with them recently.  On a personal level, the number of times I get BS requests to change my password on various sites (IM LOOKING AT YOU INSTACART) cause people are trying to blunt force hack them is spiking absurdly.

That being said, I work in an industry that deals exclusively in high value items, tons of valuable shipments with not just FedEx/UPS, but also armored trucks, etc...  Ive heard basically nothing in terms of spikes in crime or robberies.  I actually received a shipment from an armored carrier this morning.  I asked my driver, who worked a decade at their JFK and EWR locations before moving to Florida, if hes seen or heard of any increase in crime related to that, in their company or in the industry, and his response was "not at all, thank god"

My wife also works in commerical real estate, specifically multi family community management and ownership.  They have a footprint all over the Eastern seaboard, the Midwest, and Plains.  She's far more prone to worry and concern than I am, annoyingly so at times , but they've not seen anything meaningful in terms of break ins or crime at their properties.

YMMV but shrug

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

That being said, I work in an industry that deals exclusively in high value items, tons of valuable shipments with not just FedEx/UPS, but also armored trucks, etc...  Ive heard basically nothing in terms of spikes in crime or robberies.  I actually received a shipment from an armored carrier this morning.  I asked my driver, who worked a decade at their JFK and EWR locations before moving to Florida, if hes seen or heard of any increase in crime related to that, in their company or in the industry, and his response was "not at all, thank god"

Herman also hasn't heard anything about a spike in robberies.  Well except for any reported by the NY Post

[lawdog77]

Terrible news for dentists:

Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/people-think-crime-rate-up-actually-down-rcna129585

"Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.

"The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.

Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.

Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.

The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.

Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.

Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.

So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption."

Due to the decrease in crime, there is no need for additional gun control laws

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Was recently at a corporate event, in discussions with others many corporations are experiencing heavy level of Trucks hijacked, facilities robbed at gunpoint and constant cyber attacks .

They also report many drug related home invasions in the communities they operate in. More and more employees are armed for self protection at home and at work, which creates its own set of problems.

Auto theft  in these stats is up and is a precursor to even more violent crime.

1) Walking down the street to your friend's house to watch porn on VHS does not constitute a "corporate event".

2) Well, I guess all the data must be wrong then

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Due to the decrease in crime, there is no need for additional gun control laws

Pfffftt, it is because of massive gun ownership that crime is down, obviously. The answer in this case, and every other case, is that no matter whether crime is up or crime is down, more guns are the solution.

If we need any laws passed around guns, it is to require all Americans to be armed.

[MU82]

The Covenant Parents Aren’t Going to Keep Quiet on Guns

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/26/us/politics/nashville-school-shooting-covenant-parents.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231227&instance_id=111087&nl=the-morning&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=153633&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

Mary Joyce told herself she would be kind, just as she always had been. Say enough, but not too much, she reminded herself.

Surely, the members of the Tennessee General Assembly before her would be moved by her testimony at a special session dedicated to public safety.

A moderate conservative herself, she would tell them about the day in March when she dropped off her 9-year-old daughter at the Covenant School, a private Christian school tucked into one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Nashville. She would remind them how an assailant wielding powerful rifles killed three of her daughter’s third-grade classmates, the head of the school, a beloved custodian and a substitute teacher.

What she wanted now were modest measures that she believed could have prevented the violence and still be accepted by other Republicans.

Ms. Joyce and other Covenant parents felt they stood a better chance than anyone at cutting through the divisions on gun control. Among them were former Republican aides, gun owners and lifelong conservatives who could afford to spend days at the legislature.

Several parents understood that, for many, the right to bear arms, without any caveat, was an intrinsic piece of American identity. They knew this was particularly true in Tennessee, a state with an official rifle and a history of political retribution for conservatives who disregard the gun lobbyists and their hard-line base.

They had watched efforts led by other parents, galvanized by similar tragedy in Texas and other states, become snarled by politics.

But the Tennessee legislature proved more hostile than the Covenant parents imagined. And when Ms. Joyce heard just one more gun rights supporter dismiss the parents’ concerns after days of restraint, her patience snapped.

The shooter at Covenant “hunted our children with a high-capacity rifle,” Ms. Joyce cried out, her voice cracking, as she confronted the gun rights supporter in the Capitol rotunda. He walked away, but not before suggesting she listen more closely to his arguments.

“I have held my composure,” she said, now openly angry despite the crowd that had gathered. “I have stayed calm. I have been silent and quiet and composed. And I am sick of it. Listen to me.”

Glad these parents aren't giving up. But they stand no chance against right-wingnuts like these Tennessee politicians, who prefer ARs FOR EVERYBODY! to kids' lives.

[Uncle Rico]

Was recently at a corporate event, in discussions with others many corporations are experiencing heavy level of Trucks hijacked, facilities robbed at gunpoint and constant cyber attacks .

They also report many drug related home invasions in the communities they operate in. More and more employees are armed for self protection at home and at work, which creates its own set of problems.

Auto theft  in these stats is up and is a precursor to even more violent crime.

This is #fakenews

Hijacked trucks and robberies are not up at distribution centers or are facilities being robbed at some greater frequency. 

More blatant lies from Scoop’s resident liar

[Jockey]

This is #fakenews

Hijacked trucks and robberies are not up at distribution centers or are facilities being robbed at some greater frequency. 

More blatant lies from Scoop’s resident liar

It's OK, Unc.

I just love reading about his fascinating anecdotes.

[Skatastrophy]

This is #fakenews

Hijacked trucks and robberies are not up at distribution centers or are facilities being robbed at some greater frequency. 

More blatant lies from Scoop’s resident liar

Maybe he was meeting with countries in sub saharan Africa

[MU82]

Here's a heartwarming Christmas tale ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/12/27/florida-teen-shooting-christmas-presents/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

A Christmas Eve argument between teen brothers over who was getting more gifts ended in tragedy in Florida: A 14-year-old boy shot and killed his sister, who had tried to defuse the fight — and then was shot by his older brother, the local sheriff said.

The brothers — a year apart in age — were Christmas shopping on Sunday with their mother and their sister, Abrielle Baldwin, 23, and her two sons when the argument broke out.

“They had this family spat over who was getting what and how much money was being spent on who,” Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri told a news conference Tuesday.

The argument continued as the family made their way from the store to their grandmother’s house in Largo, Fla. The brothers were each in possession of a gun, the sheriff said.

“They get to grandma’s house [and the 14-year-old] takes out his gun and tells him he’s going to shoot him in the head,” the sheriff said.

The older brother said he didn’t want to fight and asked his younger sibling to get out of the house, he added. Their uncle and sister, Baldwin, attempted to turn the situation around.

“You all need to leave that stuff alone … It’s Christmas,” Baldwin told them while standing outside the property, according to Gualtieri.

The 14-year-old, after allegedly threatening to shoot his sister and her baby, is accused of shooting Baldwin in the chest while she was holding her son in a carrier at 1:45 p.m. She fell to the ground and was later pronounced dead at a hospital. Her baby was not injured.

Seconds after the shooting, the 15-year-old brother came outside holding his own handgun and shot his younger brother in the stomach, Gualtieri said. The 14-year-old was unarmed when his brother shot him, he said, and is in custody in stable condition at a hospital.

The 15-year-old then fled, tossing his weapon into a yard nearby, Gualtieri said. He was later taken into custody at a relative’s house.

Gualtieri said that both teens were arrested and that only one of the two weapons was recovered at the scene, expressing concern that the missing gun would eventually be picked up and used in another crime. Audio of the incident was captured on a neighbor’s camera, Gualtieri said.

“The problem is, we got way too many kids out there with way too many guns,” Gualtieri said, adding that he hoped gun laws would change. “We need to get serious, and we need to get tough.”

He said prosecutors are reviewing the case and will decide whether to charge the 14-year-old as an adult with first-degree murder.

The 15-year-old will be charged with attempted first-degree murder and tampering with physical evidence, he added. He is being held in a mental health facility after making statements about harming himself, Gualtieri said.

Before the shooting, the 14-year-old posed on Snapchat with the weapon “he used to kill his sister,” Gualtieri said, adding that people who knew the brothers told police that the teens “carried guns all the time.” Gualtieri said that obtaining a gun is “really easy” and that people are either buying stolen ones “cheap on the street” or taking them from unlocked vehicles. Earlier this year, he said, both brothers were arrested for “numerous car burglaries” in their area.

[Jables1604]

Which one of them was the “good guy with the gun”?

[Herman Cain]

The Covenant Parents Aren’t Going to Keep Quiet on Guns

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/26/us/politics/nashville-school-shooting-covenant-parents.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231227&instance_id=111087&nl=the-morning&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=153633&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

Mary Joyce told herself she would be kind, just as she always had been. Say enough, but not too much, she reminded herself.

Surely, the members of the Tennessee General Assembly before her would be moved by her testimony at a special session dedicated to public safety.

A moderate conservative herself, she would tell them about the day in March when she dropped off her 9-year-old daughter at the Covenant School, a private Christian school tucked into one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Nashville. She would remind them how an assailant wielding powerful rifles killed three of her daughter’s third-grade classmates, the head of the school, a beloved custodian and a substitute teacher.

What she wanted now were modest measures that she believed could have prevented the violence and still be accepted by other Republicans.

Ms. Joyce and other Covenant parents felt they stood a better chance than anyone at cutting through the divisions on gun control. Among them were former Republican aides, gun owners and lifelong conservatives who could afford to spend days at the legislature.

Several parents understood that, for many, the right to bear arms, without any caveat, was an intrinsic piece of American identity. They knew this was particularly true in Tennessee, a state with an official rifle and a history of political retribution for conservatives who disregard the gun lobbyists and their hard-line base.

They had watched efforts led by other parents, galvanized by similar tragedy in Texas and other states, become snarled by politics.

But the Tennessee legislature proved more hostile than the Covenant parents imagined. And when Ms. Joyce heard just one more gun rights supporter dismiss the parents’ concerns after days of restraint, her patience snapped.

The shooter at Covenant “hunted our children with a high-capacity rifle,” Ms. Joyce cried out, her voice cracking, as she confronted the gun rights supporter in the Capitol rotunda. He walked away, but not before suggesting she listen more closely to his arguments.

“I have held my composure,” she said, now openly angry despite the crowd that had gathered. “I have stayed calm. I have been silent and quiet and composed. And I am sick of it. Listen to me.”

Glad these parents aren't giving up. But they stand no chance against right-wingnuts like these Tennessee politicians, who prefer ARs FOR EVERYBODY! to kids' lives.

The Pinellas County Sheriff says there is an epidemic of gun thefts.
https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-county/pinellas-county-sheriff-gives-update-on-deadly-christmas-eve-shooting-in-largo/

[Uncle Rico]

The Pinellas County Sheriff says there is an epidemic of gun thefts.
https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-county/pinellas-county-sheriff-gives-update-on-deadly-christmas-eve-shooting-in-largo/

What else did they say?

[Herman Cain]

More non existent crime
https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-county/man-found-shot-after-home-burglary-in-north-redington-beach-deputies-say/
Burglar tried to break into another home after being shot by inhabitants in  first home.


 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

More non existent crime
https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-county/man-found-shot-after-home-burglary-in-north-redington-beach-deputies-say/
Burglar tried to break into another home after being shot by inhabitants in  first home.

I bet over lunch with Jamie Dimon you could get him to lobby Pinellas country to have less crime.

[Uncle Rico]

I bet over lunch with Jamie Dimon you could get him to lobby Pinellas country to have less crime.

They need to quit electing Republican governors or something, too.  Sad to see Pudding Fingers unable to control the out of control crime in Pinellas County

[Jay Bee]

“ The 14-year-old has arrests dating to when he was 12 years old, including being a minor in possession of a gun, disorderly conduct, grand theft auto, auto burglaries and battery on a school employee, Gualtieri said.”

Can’t keep allowing criminals to be repeat criminals

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Pfffftt, it is because of massive gun ownership that crime is down, obviously. The answer in this case, and every other case, is that no matter whether crime is up or crime is down, more guns are the solution.

If we need any laws passed around guns, it is to require all Americans to be armed.

By the FBI and CDC’s own data between 1.5 and 2 million crimes are stopped or prevented because of the presence of a firearm. Facts matter

[Jockey]

By the FBI and CDC’s own data between 1.5 and 2 million crimes are stopped or prevented because of the presence of a firearm. Facts matter

Wow. Really precise data. Margin of error is 500,000. No wonder you guys are demanding defunding law enforcement.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

By the FBI and CDC’s own data between 1.5 and 2 million crimes are stopped or prevented because of the presence of a firearm. Facts matter

It was 1.5 million. That number comes from a 1994 telephone survey where about 2,500 gun owners were surveyed. Out of those ~2,500 gun owners, 19 self reported that they had stopped or prevented a crime with their firearm.  They were not asked to provide proof of this.  Researchers took them at their word and extrapolated that those 19 self reports would equal about 1.5 million if generalized to the entire population of America.

This is of course an absurd conclusion but you are correct,  the FBI and CDC did post those numbers. You are incorrect that it is their "own data", it was just a study that they cited.

I can show you a more recent study that estimates the number is around 119,000 a year. Is that also a fact that matters?

On the other side, I can show you a more recent study that estimates that the number is around 1.6 million a year.

Maybe the lesson here is that how a study is conducted is important context because people on both sides of this issue will try to frame the data in a certain way. I wouldn't call any of the numbers above "facts", just "results".

[MU82]

Clearly, one of the best ways to keep guns out of the hands of criminals is to have them everywhere, easy for anybody (even teenagers) to buy or steal.

Guns guns guns. Need more of 'em!!!!

If every man, woman and child in the United States had, say, 100 guns, the crime rate would be 0.00! That's the way low-crime countries do it, right?

[Hards Alumni]

The Pinellas County Sheriff says there is an epidemic of gun thefts.
https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-county/pinellas-county-sheriff-gives-update-on-deadly-christmas-eve-shooting-in-largo/

Cops say this crap all the time.  They just want more funding.