2022 Transfer Portal Thread

[Uncle Rico]

Bennett Vander Plas has committed to Virginia.

Badger fans knew he wouldn't commit because his credits wouldn't transfer

[The Sultan]

Bennett Vander Plas has committed to Virginia.

Kinda figured that would happen. He was named after Tony Bennett's dad.

[panda]

Kinda figured that would happen. He was named after Tony Bennett's dad.

Bennett Bennett ?

[Newsdreams]

Kinda figured that would happen. He was named after Tony Bennett's dad.

And Vander Blue

[bilsu]

Sure, they are one and done in a manner.  But, bringing in vetted for fit 5th year guys is wildly different than bringing in a  recent HS grad with the NBA on his mind.

There is a big difference. A coach knows a fifth year senior is gone for good next year and can plan accordingly. Prior to start of this season Shaka did not know for sure that Lewis would go pro and that still is not a certain conclusion. Did Shaka know that Garcia was not coming back to Marquette last spring before it was too late?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

According to this article In the Washington State fan site, Foreign Players are not eligible for NIL. That could help our cause
https://www.cougcenter.com/2022/4/16/23027744/wsu-cougars-efe-abogidi-transfer-portal

That's an odd rule.

Got some clarity on this. NIL creates visa issues with international students. So it's not an NCAA rule, it's an ICE rule. However, there are ways around it but they are questionable. Oscar Tshibwe is on a student visa but is reporting a $2 million NLI payday, though no one is quire sure how they managed that.

Could help us with Abgodi because it theoretically keeps Arizona and Texas from buying him outright. Could theoretically hurt us because we may not be willing to color outside the lines where other programs *cough* Arizona *cough* might be and some money is better than no money.

[rocky_warrior]

Oscar Tshibwe is on a student visa but is reporting a $2 million NLI payday, though no one is quire sure how they managed that.

I believe it's called volunteering.  "This is legal as long as you're not depriving an American citizen of a job by volunteering."

If a US company wants to pay Tshiebwe for a public service campaign in Congo against sexual violence, that's easy.

Similar for Abogidi in Nigeria. 

Actually fantastic volunteer opportunities for both gentlemen.

[Billy Hoyle]

Got some clarity on this. NIL creates visa issues with international students. So it's not an NCAA rule, it's an ICE rule. However, there are ways around it but they are questionable. Oscar Tshibwe is on a student visa but is reporting a $2 million NLI payday, though no one is quire sure how they managed that.

Could help us with Abgodi because it theoretically keeps Arizona and Texas from buying him outright. Could theoretically hurt us because we may not be willing to color outside the lines where other programs *cough* Arizona *cough* might be and some money is better than no money.

UK hired immigration lawyers who got Tshwibe's visa status changed from F-1 "student" to O-1 "talent." He is now on a similar visa as Luka Donic, Daniel Radcliffe, Giannis, and other non-citizens who make money in the US in athletics, film, music, etc.  It is a high bar to meet. They have to prove "extraordinary ability" in their field. By winning NPOY, Tshweibe was able to get his visa changed. At least UK admits he's not there to play school.

Tommy Lloyd doesn't want to play the NIL game. That's why he told Garcia to go to UNC.

[brewcity77]

Tommy Lloyd doesn't want to play the NIL game. That's why he told Garcia to go to UNC.

That's not true. Arizona has an exclusive deal with an app that allows fans to pay players. They are at the forefront of the NIL game.

[MU82]

Caleb Love returning to UNC, meaning 4 of their 5 starters -- Love, Armando Bacot, RJ Davis and Leaky Black -- are coming back. (Manek was out of eligibility.)

On the one hand, UNC has to be a favorite for the Final Four; on the other, there's more pressure on Hubert Davis. But if you're gonna coach at UNC, you're gonna face pressure anyway.

[The Sultan]

That's not true. Arizona has an exclusive deal with an app that allows fans to pay players. They are at the forefront of the NIL game.

Any coach who "doesn't want to play the NIL game," won't be coaching for long.

[Uncle Rico]

Any coach who "doesn't want to play the NIL game," won't be coaching for long.

Chicos said NIL would kill college sports

[lawdog77]

Interesting info from Armando Bacot. Curious on who these top level players are.

https://tarheeltribune.com/2022/04/22/bacot-says-his-decision-would-have-been-tougher-without-nil/

[Shooter McGavin]

That's not true. Arizona has an exclusive deal with an app that allows fans to pay players. They are at the forefront of the NIL game.

Why can't MU make an app that allows this? Do people get anything in return?  Autographed game worn jerseys?  What are they selling on the app?

Seriously curious.  This would be an awesome way to funnel thousands of dollars to players by regular fans and not just big donors. 

[brewcity77]

Why can't MU make an app that allows this? Do people get anything in return?  Autographed game worn jerseys?  What are they selling on the app?

Seriously curious.  This would be an awesome way to funnel thousands of dollars to players by regular fans and not just big donors.

From reading articles on it, it seems to offer anything from online interactions to appearances for a fee. Also has a subscription model, so it's possible they are revenue sharing with all the athletes involved. Men's Basketball seems to be the first program they focused on, but there were a few others involved. Football was not one, so clearly the original design was for the MBB program. In one of the articles, an athlete mentioned sitting in on a presentation about the app last summer (didn't launch until November 2021) so considering Dawson Garcia didn't commit until July 8, this is something Arizona almost certainly would've pitched to him in any recruiting efforts last summer.

[rocky_warrior]

Why can't MU make an app that allows this? Do people get anything in return?  Autographed game worn jerseys?  What are they selling on the app?

Seriously curious.  This would be an awesome way to funnel thousands of dollars to players by regular fans and not just big donors.

https://pac-12.com/article/2021/11/10/get-connected-arizona-student-athletes-dyme

DYME delivers to fans exclusive content that is created specifically by players for a team's biggest supporters. Content will include player profiles, fun conversations, behind the scenes access, team travel videos, locker room chats, game recaps, team competitions and more.

[snip]

Subscribers have exclusive access to video chats and text messaging with players previously unavailable to Arizona supporters. Fans can have post-game locker room conversations with athletes, fans can talk about past and upcoming games, and all things Arizona Athletics.

https://apps.apple.com/bg/app/dyme-athlete-driven-content/id1572611875

[Pakuni]

Providence lands Kentucky transfer Bryce Hopkins.
Friars going to be tough again.
But why does Ed Cooley not care about culture?

[brewcity77]

Providence lands Kentucky transfer Bryce Hopkins.
Friars going to be tough again.
But why does Ed Cooley not care about culture?

I'll be interested to see if he can make this work again. It worked this year thanks to spectacular luck in close games, but Texas brought in a better raw crop of transfers and wasn't nearly as good as expected. Feels like it might give some short-term success, but unlikely long-term payoff.

And honestly...I'm not sure Cooley would be in top half if I was rating Big East coaches. Certainly behind Miller, Matta, Smart, and McDermott. Ahead of Ewing, Neptune, Stubblefield, and Holloway. Depends on how you sort out the middle three of Cooley, Anderson, and Hurley.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Providence lands Kentucky transfer Bryce Hopkins.
Friars going to be tough again.
But why does Ed Cooley not care about culture?

Nice try at a jab, but Marquette reached out to Hopkins, too. 

There is no "he doesn't fit the culture" narrative.  A few posters, myself included, were specifically talking about Emoni Bates.  That's it.

[Pakuni]

Nice try at a jab, but Marquette reached out to Hopkins, too. 

There is no "he doesn't fit the culture" narrative.  A few posters, myself included, were specifically talking about Emoni Bates.  That's it.

.

Didn't think that needed teal, but I guess I overestimated.

[Viper]

I'll be interested to see if he can make this work again. It worked this year thanks to spectacular luck in close games, but Texas brought in a better raw crop of transfers and wasn't nearly as good as expected. Feels like it might give some short-term success, but unlikely long-term payoff.

And honestly...I'm not sure Cooley would be in top half if I was rating Big East coaches. Certainly behind Miller, Matta, Smart, and McDermott. Ahead of Ewing, Neptune, Stubblefield, and Holloway. Depends on how you sort out the middle three of Cooley, Anderson, and Hurley.

I'd put Cooley ahead of Miller and Matta at this point. Is Miller a good coach...or good banker?

[Billy Hoyle]

That's not true. Arizona has an exclusive deal with an app that allows fans to pay players. They are at the forefront of the NIL game.

hundreds of schools used Inflncr and it's for the entire department. It's not Tommy Lloyd setting up deals like other coaches are. When Dawson asked Tommy Lloyd if he'd match what UNC was offering him he said no. Lloyd stays out of it. This program is hardly at "the forefront of the NIL game."

https://arizonaedgemarketplace.com/

[Uncle Rico]

hundreds of schools used Inflncr and it's for the entire department. It's not Tommy Lloyd setting up deals like other coaches are. When Dawson asked Tommy Lloyd if he'd match what UNC was offering him he said no. Lloyd stays out of it. This program is hardly at "the forefront of the NIL game."

https://arizonaedgemarketplace.com/

The basketball program has added more options beyond this

https://arizonawildcats.com/news/2022/2/9/general-new-ways-to-support-wildcat-nil-opportunities.aspx

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/tucson-business-leaders-launch-nil-collective-to-connect-wildcats-athletes-with-endorsement-money/article_dde19a98-89d6-11ec-961e-2bf1fe0a3cbe.html

[Shooter McGavin]

The basketball program has added more options beyond this

https://arizonawildcats.com/news/2022/2/9/general-new-ways-to-support-wildcat-nil-opportunities.aspx

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/tucson-business-leaders-launch-nil-collective-to-connect-wildcats-athletes-with-endorsement-money/article_dde19a98-89d6-11ec-961e-2bf1fe0a3cbe.html

Do we have a link to MUs NIL assistance initiative?  $100/month/scoop member * all members of scoop buys several athletes.  We could start a scoop fund and these players could advertise scoop.  That seems pretty above board to me. 

[brewcity77]

hundreds of schools used Inflncr and it's for the entire department. It's not Tommy Lloyd setting up deals like other coaches are. When Dawson asked Tommy Lloyd if he'd match what UNC was offering him he said no. Lloyd stays out of it. This program is hardly at "the forefront of the NIL game."

https://arizonaedgemarketplace.com/

Not talking about Inflncr.

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/new-app-connects-wildcats-to-paying-public-as-part-of-ncaas-new-nil-rules/article_1fc5c906-6674-11ec-8d7f-8f8f99a7803e.html

DYME was in the works last summer, when Garcia would've been recruited, and launched in November. Here's the most important bit from the article:

Like Kier, Koi Love is new to the Tucson campus. A transfer from Vanderbilt — Kier arrived from SEC school Georgia — Love sat in on a summer presentation between the DYME team and the Arizona men's basketball team.

What she heard wowed her.

"This app is going to give us a chance to be a lot more intimate with the fans," Love said. "There are things that are taboo, or might not be the right thing to share. That is so important, to be able to hold the narrative in our own hands. To give our true, authentic selves. Instagram, Facebook — that's pictures. That's like, fake. Being able to interact with us, I think this app will really be special. If fans can use it correctly, it will give us a look at who we are."

DYME signed an exclusive agreement with Arizona student-athletes to launch their platform, onboarding with five programs — men's and women's basketball, baseball and softball and women's volleyball.

Worth noting that football is not one of the programs listed, making it clear that basketball is a bigger priority when it comes to NIL. I'm not going to comment on what Lloyd may or may not have said to Garcia, but the idea that Arizona isn't one of the schools at the front of the pack pushing the limits of NIL is simply inaccurate.