2022 BET

[GoldenEagles03]

I believe a win vs. DePaul clinches the 5 seed as losing to St. Johns would result in 8 losses total vs. St. Johns' 9, even if they win their remaining games. We win a tiebreaker with Seton Hall.

I was thinking St. John's was 7-8.

Looks like they are 7-9 so that would be correct.  Win 1 and we clinch a 1st round bye.

I expect a large MU crowd on Wednesday in Chicago. Let's clinch it then!

[mileskishnish72]

I'm rooting for a first BET game vs. Creighton. Time for some serious payback!

[brewcity77]

Just a personal opinion...hard to beat a good team 3 times in one season...wheres your data??

You said it was hard to beat a team 3 times. It's on you to support that argument, not JB who asked you for evidence.

EDIT: Here's the evidence, anyway. From 2009-2018, teams swept the regular season then played a third time 1,183 times. The team that won the first two went 849-344 in the third matchup, a 72% winning clip. So beating a team three times is actually far more likely than the sweeper dropping the third result.

https://twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/1102285710034432001?s=20&t=DZXKFlSX4PS47P-dQ1GRSw

[YoungMUFan4]

Feels like 4v5 match-up against SHU is the most likely outcome.

Creighton has UConn and SHU at home but without Nembhard, it seems unlikely they win either.

[muwarrior69]

You said it was hard to beat a team 3 times. It's on you to support that argument, not JB who asked you for evidence.

EDIT: Here's the evidence, anyway. From 2009-2018, teams swept the regular season then played a third time 1,183 times. The team that won the first two went 849-344 in the third matchup, a 72% winning clip. So beating a team three times is actually far more likely than the sweeper dropping the third result.

https://twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/1102285710034432001?s=20&t=DZXKFlSX4PS47P-dQ1GRSw

Hmm...Gonzaga beating all those teams twice in their conference only to beat them the third time in the conference championship kind of makes that stat misleading. When it comes to MU vs the Bluejays that stat goes right out the window as we lost a game in 2OT that we should have won and lost by one on their home court that essentially we gave away. I'd say its 50/50 that we blow a third game against them. Now UCONN that's another story.

[manny31]

While watching the MU vs BU game they show a graphic of potential match ups for BET. I view the world through Valor Blue glasses, and  I like our chances regardless of who we play. I saw the post offering data refuting the "hard to beat a team 3x's" I will concede that but I like MU vs CU as an opener in the BET. Just an opinion backed by no data.
Ring Out Ahoya!!! Go Warriors!!!

[romey]

Hmm...Gonzaga beating all those teams twice in their conference only to beat them the third time in the conference championship kind of makes that stat misleading. When it comes to MU vs the Bluejays that stat goes right out the window as we lost a game in 2OT that we should have won and lost by one on their home court that essentially we gave away. I'd say its 50/50 that we blow a third game against them. Now UCONN that's another story.

I'm with you 69.  This is where analytics clouds the truth.  What transpired in the 2 games already played has a hell of a lot more to do with your chances in the third matchup than what a bunch of totally unrelated games/teams/circumstances do.  There may be some correlation, but does anyone really think we can't beat a team we arguably should've beaten in both previous matchups THIS season, and most certainly should've split with, that has seven players left ostensibly?

[wisblue]

"I majored in Business in undergrad...but I minored in 'snark'....I am right here ready to do battle...if you think it wise.
Here for the 2nd time. ...is the answer to your question... 'A losing coach should be seen and not heard. " I this this needs more explanation for you...if it is not clear...ask your daughters. A coach who has lost 2 games is going to be gracious in public...on social media....to the press....he wants sleeping dogs to stay asleep. Why would you do anything to motivate the winning team...'We will be ready this time!' 'If they think the can beat us again...they are nuts'.....I dont think you have ever heard this because...it does not happen.. and I have had the opportunity to talk to more coaches and I have never heard the losing team say something in public. Can the loser win game 3? Sure...that is why the winning team coaches are concerned . The object is to motivate your losing team....give them quiet confidence...and make adjustments if needed. Chances are that Team A is more talented...that is why they won games 1 and 2...if you can catch them with less motivation.... Just look at MU at Butler...vs MU vs Nova.... when MU has 40 min of hair on fire energy and can hit shots...MU is tough to beat....if MU sleep walks for 10min the 1H....they will make a nice comeback but fall short. That is what the coach from Team A is fearing....that is what Team B is hoping for...and if Team B is ready....they can win....hence the concern from the coaches...and coaches are by nature control freaks and paranoid...
Now...I hope you realize that I have just answered your question for the 2nd time...if there is still an issue...ask your daughters.."

I still don't get it. 

[wisblue]

You said it was hard to beat a team 3 times. It's on you to support that argument, not JB who asked you for evidence.

EDIT: Here's the evidence, anyway. From 2009-2018, teams swept the regular season then played a third time 1,183 times. The team that won the first two went 849-344 in the third matchup, a 72% winning clip. So beating a team three times is actually far more likely than the sweeper dropping the third result.

https://twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/1102285710034432001?s=20&t=DZXKFlSX4PS47P-dQ1GRSw

When faced with this reality, Mr. Dodds changed to saying that it's "harder" to beat a team for the third time than it was beating that team the first two times.

That makes it more subjective, but it still doesn't make sense.

The argument is that the team that lost the first two will be more motivated and will make adjustments. That seems to be easily countered with an argument that the team that won both games will be more confident and likely has better material with which to make adjustments. And the fact that third meetings almost always take place in a conference or NCAA tournament, it shouldn't be hard for either team to be motivated.

Personally I think the whole "it's hard to beat a team 3 times" is just coachspeak BS brought out by coaches trying to keep their team and fans from being complacent and by commentators to have something to talk about.

[panda]

I still don't get it. 

"My dad is a coach and I'm always right and everyone else is a buffoon! - Did I mention my dad is a coach?!"

[wisblue]

Back to the BET my clear first choice for MU is to get the 4 or 5 seed, face Creighton in their first game with Providence or the 8/9 seed next.

I don't want MU to have to play Georgetown in a "nothing to gain" game, and then have to turn around in less than 24 hours to play the 3 seed, probably UConn.

MU can take a big step in that direction by beating DePaul to wrap up no worse than the 5 seed. I have more confidence that MU can beat DePaul than St. John's, Senior Day considerations notwithstanding.

I honestly ignore the "beating a team 3 times" factor in deciding who I'd like MU to face. MU could have/should have won either or both of the first two games with better execution and decision making in crunch time. But I think UConn might be the best team in the league and is a bad matchup for amU when they have Sanogo available. MU has beaten Nova twice, but they are just a good team that's hard to beat anytime. I'd still rather see MU face them over UConn.

[brewcity77]

Hmm...Gonzaga beating all those teams twice in their conference only to beat them the third time in the conference championship kind of makes that stat misleading. When it comes to MU vs the Bluejays that stat goes right out the window as we lost a game in 2OT that we should have won and lost by one on their home court that essentially we gave away. I'd say its 50/50 that we blow a third game against them. Now UCONN that's another story.

1,183 instances and your response is to cite one team as though that's statistically significant? Thanks for telling me you don't know how numbers work.

[wisblue]

1,183 instances and your response is to cite one team as though that's statistically significant? Thanks for telling me you don't know how numbers work.

There are also a lot of people who think that if you toss heads on a coin twice in a row the "law of averages" (whatever that is) says you're more likely to toss a tails the next time because tossing 3 heads in a row is unlikely.

[Uncle Rico]

1,183 instances and your response is to cite one team as though that's statistically significant? Thanks for telling me you don't know how numbers work.

Cliches don't care about your facts

[GoldenEagles03]

Wow. I didn't even realize Seton Hall was right there...

Creighton may fall out of the top 5 and may actually be likely without Nembhard.

I'd rather face Creighton than Seton Hall.

[wisblue]

DePauls win over St. John's guarantees that MU will not fall lower than the 6 seed.

The only way for MU to fall to 6 is if they lose their 2 games and Seton Hall wins both of theirs.

[AlienWarrior]

DePauls win over St. John's guarantees that MU will not fall lower than the 6 seed.

The only way for MU to fall to 6 is if they lose their 2 games and Seton Hall wins both of theirs.


The Warriors can easily lose their last 2 games if you saw the St John's-DePaul game today while SH plays G-Town and a weakened Creighton team.

[We R Final Four]

DePauls win over St. John's guarantees that MU will not fall lower than the 6 seed.

Im looking for that guarantee that we dont fall lower than the FIVE seed.....thats the big one. Not falling lower than the six seed isn't exactly cause for celebration.

[Scoop Snoop]

DePauls win over St. John's guarantees that MU will not fall lower than the 6 seed.

The only way for MU to fall to 6 is if they lose their 2 games and Seton Hall wins both of theirs.

The 6 seed is the absolute worst scenario. Freeman scored 39 points today, so please...no slow start on Wednesday. Seton Hall is well positioned to win out. I would really hate to see it come down to the St. Johns game. 

[wisblue]

Im looking for that guarantee that we dont fall lower than the FIVE seed.....thats the big one. Not falling lower than the six seed isn't exactly cause for celebration.

Agree.

To avoid the 6 all MU has to do is win 1 of its 2 games.

If we assume that Seton Hall will win at home over Georgetown, and UConn will win at home over DePaul, the only other games that can affect MU's seeding are Creighton's games at home against UConn and Seton Hall.

If I am looking at this right, MU's possible landing spots are:

4 seed with Seton Hall as the 5 (MU wins 1 or 2 and Creighton loses 2)

5 seed with Creighton as 4 (Creighton splits its 2 games, regardless of what MU does UNLESS MU loses its 2 and Creighton's loss is to SH.

5 seed with UConn as 4 (Creighton beats both UConn and SH regardless of what MU does)

6 seed with GU at 11 and UConn at 3. (MU loses 2 and SH beats Creighton).

[murara1994]

DePauls win over St. John's guarantees that MU will not fall lower than the 6 seed.

The only way for MU to fall to 6 is if they lose their 2 games and Seton Hall wins both of theirs.


The Warriors can easily lose their last 2 games if you saw the St John's-DePaul game today while SH plays G-Town and a weakened Creighton team.

Forgot what a dumbass you are.  Lol

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Agree.

To avoid the 6 all MU has to do is win 1 of its 2 games.

If we assume that Seton Hall will win at home over Georgetown, and UConn will win at home over DePaul, the only other games that can affect MU's seeding are Creighton's games at home against UConn and Seton Hall.

If I am looking at this right, MU's possible landing spots are:

4 seed with Seton Hall as the 5 (MU wins 1 or 2 and Creighton loses 2)

5 seed with Creighton as 4 (Creighton splits its 2 games, regardless of what MU does UNLESS MU loses its 2 and Creighton's loss is to SH.

5 seed with UConn as 4 (Creighton beats both UConn and SH regardless of what MU does)

6 seed with GU at 11 and UConn at 3. (MU loses 2 and SH beats Creighton).

Thanks for this!

[wisblue]

Forgot what a dumbass you are.  Lol

The way this was quoted made it look like I said that MU could easily lose its last two games.

The record will show otherwise.

[Scoop Snoop]

Three paths to Marquette securing the 5 seed:

MU beats DePaul on Wednesday. Seton Hall loses the road game @ Creighton on Saturday (C lost the first game by 19). MU beats St. Johns on Saturday.

After watching the DP-SJ game, your thoughts? 

To simplify the discussion, I've eliminated the chance of Georgetown beating Seton Hall on the road on Wednesday, even though it is technically possible.

[PGsHeroes32]

Three paths to Marquette securing the 5 seed:

MU beats DePaul on Wednesday. Seton Hall loses the road game @ Creighton on Saturday (C lost the first game by 19). MU beats St. Johns on Saturday.

After watching the DP-SJ game, your thoughts? 

To simplify the discussion, I've eliminated the chance of Georgetown beating Seton Hall on the road on Wednesday, even though it is technically possible.

SHU at Creighton could go either way.

But imo will not matter at all. I expect us to take care of our own business. Take both. Finish 12-7 and a 20 win season before any post season is played.