Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines

[thomaskyle]

https://alethonews.com/2021/12/14/a-huge-israeli-study-shows-natural-covid-immunity-is-far-superior-to-the-vaccine-generated-kind/

"Israel has exclusively used the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, began mass vaccinations before almost any other country, and has an excellent health care database. As a result, it has among the best information on the effectiveness of the shots. It offers far more complete data than the United States."

"Finally, the study showed that people who had been vaccinated and then been infected and recovered were actually more likely to be infected again six months later than those who had only "pure" natural immunity."

i know, i know this is quackery.
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[Uncle Rico]

https://alethonews.com/2021/12/14/a-huge-israeli-study-shows-natural-covid-immunity-is-far-superior-to-the-vaccine-generated-kind/

"Israel has exclusively used the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, began mass vaccinations before almost any other country, and has an excellent health care database. As a result, it has among the best information on the effectiveness of the shots. It offers far more complete data than the United States."

"Finally, the study showed that people who had been vaccinated and then been infected and recovered were actually more likely to be infected again six months later than those who had only "pure" natural immunity."

i know, i know this is quackery.
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Alex Berenson 🤡

[thomaskyle]

Try and reply to the data in the study.  He didn't perform the study

[MUDPT]

https://alethonews.com/2021/12/14/a-huge-israeli-study-shows-natural-covid-immunity-is-far-superior-to-the-vaccine-generated-kind/

"Israel has exclusively used the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, began mass vaccinations before almost any other country, and has an excellent health care database. As a result, it has among the best information on the effectiveness of the shots. It offers far more complete data than the United States."

"Finally, the study showed that people who had been vaccinated and then been infected and recovered were actually more likely to be infected again six months later than those who had only "pure" natural immunity."

i know, i know this is quackery.
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Here's an article that says, vaccinated plus infection had antibodies against all of the variants, but only infection had antibodies against that specific variant.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.01.22270263v1

[Uncle Rico]

Try and reply to the data in the study.  He didn't perform the study

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[Pakuni]

https://alethonews.com/2021/12/14/a-huge-israeli-study-shows-natural-covid-immunity-is-far-superior-to-the-vaccine-generated-kind/

"Israel has exclusively used the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, began mass vaccinations before almost any other country, and has an excellent health care database. As a result, it has among the best information on the effectiveness of the shots. It offers far more complete data than the United States."

"Finally, the study showed that people who had been vaccinated and then been infected and recovered were actually more likely to be infected again six months later than those who had only "pure" natural immunity."

i know, i know this is quackery.
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Shockingly, Cheeks, I mean WarriorDad, I mean pace, I mean stanik, I mean thomas has left out some key portions of the findings.
Such as:

"Furthermore, we found that a single dose of vaccine given to a previously infected individual or to an uninfected doubly vaccinated individual (i.e., a booster dose) restores the protection to the level in the early months following recovery or vaccination."

In other words, get the booster and you get the same or better protection without having to get sick.

[thomaskyle]

Shockingly, Cheeks, I mean WarriorDad, I mean pace, I mean stanik, I mean thomas has left out some key portions of the findings.
Such as:

"Furthermore, we found that a single dose of vaccine given to a previously infected individual or to an uninfected doubly vaccinated individual (i.e., a booster dose) restores the protection to the level in the early months following recovery or vaccination."

In other words, get the booster and you get the same or better protection without having to get sick.

Hey am actual intelligent reply. Wow
I agree with this
But I also think if u have had the virus it should be a vaild decision in many cases to not get the jab.

[tower912]

'Some people' don't actually fully read the links they post.   

[Uncle Rico]

Hey am actual intelligent reply. Wow
I agree with this
But I also think if u have had the virus it should be a vaild decision in many cases to not get the jab.

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[Pakuni]

Hey am actual intelligent reply. Wow
I agree with this
But I also think if u have had the virus it should be a vaild decision in many cases to not get the jab.

Nope.
Having had the virus doesn't give one lifelong immunity. It just, maybe, gives you slightly longer immunity than two doses of the vaccine.
So, once that immunity wears off, the person is going to get it again and, as an unvaccinated person, more likely than the vaccinated to suffer a serious case, including hospitalization and death.

[thomaskyle]

Nope.
Having had the virus doesn't give one lifelong immunity. It just, maybe, gives you slightly longer immunity than two doses of the vaccine.
So, once that immunity wears off, the person is going to get it again and, as an unvaccinated person, more likely than the vaccinated to suffer a serious case, including hospitalization and death.

Also agree
But in a year or 2 they will have better vaccines
Well they may actually have something to at is a real vaccine and not mostly a therapeutic

[4everwarriors]

🤡

🐑, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

🐑, hey?

Nah, I'm living my life.  Fully vaxxed but anyone posting an article from Alex Berenson is a 🤡

[4everwarriors]

Iz it any wonder y Jim Jones wuz sew successful, doe, hey?

[🏀]

Iz it any wonder y Jim Jones wuz sew successful, doe, hey?

The irony.

[tower912]

Missing the irony completely.   Anti-vaxxers are the cult mindset that is leading to death.

[Uncle Rico]

Iz it any wonder y Jim Jones wuz sew successful, doe, hey?

Fantastic

[4everwarriors]

Thanks Petrocelli, eye taught sew two, hey?

[pacearrow02]

Nope.
Having had the virus doesn't give one lifelong immunity. It just, maybe, gives you slightly longer immunity than two doses of the vaccine.
So, once that immunity wears off, the person is going to get it again and, as an unvaccinated person, more likely than the vaccinated to suffer a serious case, including hospitalization and death.

That's not true at all

[pacearrow02]

Nah, I'm living my life.  Fully vaxxed but anyone posting an article from Alex Berenson is a 🤡

Anyone who can't have an honest back and forth about the data from a study but rather only focuses on the author/poster is a 🤡🤡

[jesmu84]

Anyone who can't have an honest back and forth about the data from a study but rather only focuses on the author/poster is a 🤡🤡

You haven't had an honest anything since you started posting on the covid board.

[tower912]

Ironies continue to both abound and be missed.

[pacearrow02]

You haven't had an honest anything since you started posting on the covid board.

Can you give me an example?

[forgetful]

This is wrong. Effectiveness was down to around 50%, which was disappointing compared to the adult mRNA results. 50% is still considered within the range of an effective vaccine.

My 5 and then 8 year old, were vaccinated 3 days after the vaccines were available in November. Everyone who works in the medical field with us, was the same. All of our colleagues with children under 5 are eagerly waiting for the next approval.

This is a key aspect of these studies the average person doesn't understand. The typical threshold for a successful child vaccine is that they are as effective as the equivalent dosage for adults and teens. Failing that threshold does not mean it isn't effective.

[Pakuni]

That's not true at all

Citation, please.
To save us both some time, here's mine.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/95344