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Author Topic: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines  (Read 29491 times)

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #250 on: February 16, 2022, 10:41:18 AM »

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #251 on: February 16, 2022, 10:55:30 AM »
https://wsau.com/2021/10/27/healthy-12-year-old-suffers-severe-debilitating-effects-from-the-covid-shot/

Maddie De Garay and her family feel different, from personal experience.


Morons always use the outliers as examples too.  Statistics are ironically not your thing.
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #252 on: February 16, 2022, 10:55:42 AM »
https://wsau.com/2021/10/27/healthy-12-year-old-suffers-severe-debilitating-effects-from-the-covid-shot/

Maddie De Garay and her family feel different, from personal experience.

And now the rest of the story...

The cause of the girl’s condition is unclear. Her mother said on a panel held Tuesday in Washington, D.C., hosted by Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisc., that she was injured by a Covid vaccine administered as part of a Pfizer trial at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital. (Johnson has been widely criticized for spreading  misleading claims about the vaccines.) The family’s lawyer, Aaron Siri — who also represents the country’s largest anti-vaccine organization, the Informed Consent Action Network — claims the doctors investigating the case misdiagnosed her myriad injuries as unrelated to the vaccine then downplayed them as abdominal pain. In the meantime, anti-vaccine activists have made the girl a poster child for their cause.

The mother of the girl and the group behind the ad have not provided any evidence that the girl was diagnosed as harmed by a Covid-19 vaccine.

The ad was paid for by the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation, an anti-vaccine group founded last month by veteran Silicon Valley entrepreneur Steve Kirsch, known for inventing the optical mouse, and more recently for advocating unproven Covid cures and against vaccines, which he calls “toxic.”


https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/vaccine-misinformation-poised-spike-covid-shots-kids-roll-rcna4360

Now, I have no idea what made this girl sick. Apparently her doctors don't believe it was the vaccine, and there's been no evidence provided showing it was the vaccine.
But even if it were the vaccine, it would make her very much an outlier here, so I'm not quite sure what point you think you're making.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #253 on: February 16, 2022, 12:15:02 PM »

Morons always use the outliers as examples too.  Statistics are ironically not your thing.


but... his name is literally statnik.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #254 on: February 16, 2022, 12:16:25 PM »

Morons always use the outliers as examples too.  Statistics are ironically not your thing.

Well deaths from COVID for minors are also outliers, so where is your no-brainer or slam dunk when both are outliers?

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #255 on: February 16, 2022, 12:39:11 PM »
Well deaths from COVID for minors are also outliers, so where is your no-brainer or slam dunk when both are outliers?

Deaths from chickenpox, tetanus and mumps also were outliers pre-vaccine.
We should stop vaccinating against those.
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #256 on: February 16, 2022, 12:50:20 PM »
Well deaths from COVID for minors are also outliers, so where is your no-brainer or slam dunk when both are outliers?

There have been 1000 deaths of minors due to COVID. There have been no verified reports of deaths due to the vaccine. Two children (ages 5 and 6) with severe deadly medical conditions did die after vaccination, but there was no causal relationship to the vaccine.

So even if you grant the 2-deaths, for children, you are 500 times more likely to die from COVID, than the vaccine.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #257 on: February 16, 2022, 12:53:25 PM »
There have been 1000 deaths of minors due to COVID. There have been no verified reports of deaths due to the vaccine. Two children (ages 5 and 6) with severe deadly medical conditions did die after vaccination, but there was no causal relationship to the vaccine.

So even if you grant the 2-deaths, for children, you are 500 times more likely to die from COVID, than the vaccine.

And this is during widespread masking + remote learning, where we reduced flu deaths to 1 or some crazy crap
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #258 on: February 16, 2022, 01:13:02 PM »
Well deaths from COVID for minors are also outliers, so where is your no-brainer or slam dunk when both are outliers?

It's right here....


There have been 1000 deaths of minors due to COVID. There have been no verified reports of deaths due to the vaccine. Two children (ages 5 and 6) with severe deadly medical conditions did die after vaccination, but there was no causal relationship to the vaccine.

So even if you grant the 2-deaths, for children, you are 500 times more likely to die from COVID, than the vaccine.
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #259 on: February 16, 2022, 03:03:29 PM »
Well deaths from COVID for minors are also outliers, so where is your no-brainer or slam dunk when both are outliers?
Oof.

Numbers. How do they work?
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #260 on: February 16, 2022, 03:08:10 PM »
They are real science-y.   Not facebook science-y.
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #261 on: February 16, 2022, 06:27:03 PM »

Now, I have no idea what made this girl sick. Apparently her doctors don't believe it was the vaccine, and there's been no evidence provided showing it was the vaccine.
But even if it were the vaccine, it would make her very much an outlier here, so I'm not quite sure what point you think you're making.

Doctors. Schmoctors.

I need to hear what Tucker says.




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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #262 on: February 16, 2022, 06:44:32 PM »
Spectrum channel 48, hey?
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #263 on: February 16, 2022, 07:06:23 PM »
There have been 1000 deaths of minors due to COVID. There have been no verified reports of deaths due to the vaccine. Two children (ages 5 and 6) with severe deadly medical conditions did die after vaccination, but there was no causal relationship to the vaccine.

So even if you grant the 2-deaths, for children, you are 500 times more likely to die from COVID, than the vaccine.

The majority of 5-12 year olds haven’t even taken the vaccine yet so it’s not exactly an ideal quantitative comparison.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #264 on: February 16, 2022, 08:12:38 PM »
Doctors. Schmoctors.

I need to hear what Tucker says.

You watch more tucker than 99% of this board.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #265 on: February 17, 2022, 08:38:13 AM »
You watch more tucker than 99% of this board.

I'm not sure that's true. Some days all the scoop boomers get aligned on a weird talking point. It's pretty easy to trace back to their daytime talkshows.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #266 on: March 02, 2022, 11:32:04 AM »
the science is likely settled now: both are better.  https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/covid-19-why-are-we-ignoring-infection-acquired-immunity-2022a1000ifd?faf=1&src=soc_tw_220301_mscpedt_news_mdscp_immunity


Antibodies derived from natural infection with COVID-19 are more abundant and more potent – at least 10 times more potent – than immunity generated by vaccination alone, according to a study from Oregon Health & Science University (OHSU) in Portland, US, published on January 25.
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #267 on: March 02, 2022, 01:02:49 PM »
the science is likely settled now: both are better.  https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/covid-19-why-are-we-ignoring-infection-acquired-immunity-2022a1000ifd?faf=1&src=soc_tw_220301_mscpedt_news_mdscp_immunity


Antibodies derived from natural infection with COVID-19 are more abundant and more potent – at least 10 times more potent – than immunity generated by vaccination alone, according to a study from Oregon Health & Science University (OHSU) in Portland, US, published on January 25.

The actual study says this: “ Because vaccination protects against severe disease and death (19), it is safer for individuals to be vaccinated before rather than after natural infection.”