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Author Topic: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines  (Read 29173 times)

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2022, 09:27:12 PM »
So wear a good mask. This is an odd talking point.  Personal responsibility right?

The point is that the kabookee covid theater of sitting down to eat is OK, but you better mask up to take a whiz dammit.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2022, 09:33:24 PM »
The point is that the kabookee covid theater of sitting down to eat is OK, but you better mask up to take a whiz dammit.

Ok. So make different choices or don’t.  I don’t know when being a victim became a talking point but it’s kinda odd.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2022, 01:55:57 AM »
Ok. So make different choices or don’t.  I don’t know when being a victim became a talking point but it’s kinda odd.

I didn't make up that policy.   I barely leave the house.  But it's nothing but feel good theater at this point.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2022, 05:30:36 AM »
Here is a study on boosters and the reduction of symptomatic infection. 

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1484921049540005890?s=21

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2022, 06:35:33 AM »
Here is a study on boosters and the reduction of symptomatic infection. 

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1484921049540005890?s=21
Pretty consistent with the early data during Omicron which said a booster takes you up to ~70% protection from infection, and 11x-12x protection from death vs. unvaxxed.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2022, 06:48:35 AM »
I didn't make up that policy.   I barely leave the house.  But it's nothing but feel good theater at this point.


So do you want to have stricter mandates because they would be more effective?  Something tells me you’d whine about that too.
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2022, 08:46:28 AM »

So do you want to have stricter mandates because they would be more effective?  Something tells me you’d whine about that too.

No, just pointing out the inconsistencies in covid theater.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2022, 09:53:21 AM »
No, just pointing out the inconsistencies in covid theater.


The fact that you still call it "Covid theatre" tells me all I need to know about how seriously to take your points.
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2022, 10:08:38 AM »
The restaurant mask rule did make *some* sense when restaurants also required 6ft spacing between tables and limited capacity.

The current restaurant mask rule is stupid, but it's also not that difficult to comply if you want to dine out.   It would be better if individual restaurants required proof of vaccine (some do, but that also varies regionally).  I would dine out more if that were the case.  As is, I generally avoid any indoor place packed with potentially unvaccinated, and unmasked people.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2022, 10:35:52 AM »

The fact that you still call it "Covid theatre" tells me all I need to know about how seriously to take your points.

Do you disagree that there are plenty of Covid related rules that don't actually do what they intend to do?  But rather are done to give the impression that places or groups "care" or are taking it seriously?

I dont think you have to be an anti-mask/anti-mandate whatever to agree with that.  My wife's Pilates studio just instituted a mask rule...need to wear a mask when entering, changing into your socks or whatnot, and walking around...but not when you're on your reformer and actually working out  :o  I suppose you can hope everyone wears it at all times anyways, but from going to class yesterday, thats not the case. 

Or when I was in Vegas and you needed to wear a mask indoors at all times...unless it was in a bar or restaurant.  So you had an entire casino floor of masked people...and then the adjacent bar filled with maskless people, not to mention the clubs.

Some of it is very well intentioned.  Some of it is very much "lets look like we're being tough on Covid"

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2022, 10:51:23 AM »
Vegas permits maskless guests while smokin', also, hey?




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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2022, 11:00:14 AM »
Do you disagree that there are plenty of Covid related rules that don't actually do what they intend to do?  But rather are done to give the impression that places or groups "care" or are taking it seriously?

I dont think you have to be an anti-mask/anti-mandate whatever to agree with that.  My wife's Pilates studio just instituted a mask rule...need to wear a mask when entering, changing into your socks or whatnot, and walking around...but not when you're on your reformer and actually working out  :o  I suppose you can hope everyone wears it at all times anyways, but from going to class yesterday, thats not the case. 

Or when I was in Vegas and you needed to wear a mask indoors at all times...unless it was in a bar or restaurant.  So you had an entire casino floor of masked people...and then the adjacent bar filled with maskless people, not to mention the clubs.

Some of it is very well intentioned.  Some of it is very much "lets look like we're being tough on Covid"


I think a lot of institutions are trying to do the best they can do to keep people safe yet try to balance the competing factions of people who either take it way too seriously or not seriously enough.
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2022, 11:02:41 AM »
And a lot of instuitutions are putting up rules just so they can say they're doing something to try to protect everyone.  Even if they don't make much sense.
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2022, 11:16:12 AM »
And a lot of instuitutions are putting up rules just so they can say they're doing something to try to protect everyone.  Even if they don't make much sense.

Instead of making accusations, what would your solution be?

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2022, 11:19:18 AM »
Some places are definitely putting in protocols to appease local/state requirements.

Question...where are all the "freedom" people when it comes to other "theater"? TSA, for example

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2022, 12:12:05 PM »
And a lot of instuitutions are putting up rules just so they can say they're doing something to try to protect everyone.  Even if they don't make much sense.


But I guess its just easier to bitch and moan like Ziggy and you are doing.
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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2022, 12:22:02 PM »
Some places are definitely putting in protocols to appease local/state requirements.

Question...where are all the "freedom" people when it comes to other "theater"? TSA, for example

First off, its disingenuous to automatically throw the mocking "freedom" label on anyone who doesn't blanket agree with any and all Covid protocol or precautions.

Second, are you implying that people don't complain and criticize TSA regularly?  Cause I strongly beg to differ.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2022, 01:03:03 PM »
First off, its disingenuous to automatically throw the mocking "freedom" label on anyone who doesn't blanket agree with any and all Covid protocol or precautions.

Second, are you implying that people don't complain and criticize TSA regularly?  Cause I strongly beg to differ.

So let's get rid of it, or bring it back to pre 9/11 levels of funding.  It's a waste of time and money.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2022, 01:28:15 PM »
So let's get rid of it, or bring it back to pre 9/11 levels of funding.  It's a waste of time and money.

The bureaucracy has gotten to big to eliminate.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2022, 02:32:22 PM »
So let's get rid of it, or bring it back to pre 9/11 levels of funding.  It's a waste of time and money.

Listen, you don't have to pitch me on it.  I nearly missed a flight to my sister's wedding last month because my wife had a container of plant preservative.  ORD's own Paul Blart thought he had caught the next Shoe Bomber.  She was kept at security for, no like, an hour and 15 minutes while he ran 5 tests and called for supervisors.  She offered to throw it away at one point and he refused to allow her to leave.  When his supervisor finally cleared everything, he looked like the Packers sideline after Gould hit the FG.

TLDR, nobody likes the TSA or thinks its effective, so its not a great comp.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2022, 04:00:12 PM »
Listen, you don't have to pitch me on it.  I nearly missed a flight to my sister's wedding last month because my wife had a container of plant preservative.  ORD's own Paul Blart thought he had caught the next Shoe Bomber.  She was kept at security for, no like, an hour and 15 minutes while he ran 5 tests and called for supervisors.  She offered to throw it away at one point and he refused to allow her to leave.  When his supervisor finally cleared everything, he looked like the Packers sideline after Gould hit the FG.

TLDR, nobody likes the TSA or thinks its effective, so its not a great comp.


I have a weird TSA story is from Lincoln, NE.  I visited one of my largest customers.  I bought a small jar of sand plum jam because I figured it was somewhat unique to Nebraska.  Definitely not something one would see in New England.  I forgot I only had carry-on since it was a 1 night trip, so I packed in my small carry suitcase and forgot about.  The airport has like 8 gates and TSA opened pretty much just for my flight to MSP.  Of course TSA flagged it, said it was "probably a liquid" and I had a choice to check it in (with what luggage or just the jar?) or they would have to confiscate.  It's been a running joke since with the two co-workers that were with me, that the TSA guy probably forgot to bring a lunch that day and was enjoying.   


A friend of mine from the street I grew up is a TSA agent.  Started off in Orlando and moved back to Connecticut when his mom got sick and now works at White Plains.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2022, 04:16:17 PM »
First off, its disingenuous to automatically throw the mocking "freedom" label on anyone who doesn't blanket agree with any and all Covid protocol or precautions.

Second, are you implying that people don't complain and criticize TSA regularly?  Cause I strongly beg to differ.

I have not seen the same societal push back on TSA as masks

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2022, 04:53:32 PM »
I have not seen the same societal push back on TSA as masks

Maybe cause most people fly once, maybe twice a year.  Slightly different occurrence than a daily situation.

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2022, 05:05:54 PM »
Maybe cause most people fly once, maybe twice a year.  Slightly different occurrence than a daily situation.

So it's more whining vs a principled stand?

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Re: Science still not settled on Natural Immunity vs Vaccines
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2022, 06:55:18 PM »
Maybe cause most people fly once, maybe twice a year.  Slightly different occurrence than a daily situation.

It’s sheer inconvenience annoyance, got it.