Waukesha Christmas Parade

[JWags85]

How does "crash" imply it was accidental?  Two planes crashed into the World Trade Towers on 9/11.  That's certainly not implying those were accidental.

I think crash/crashed as a verb has a bit of a different weight than crash as a noun. United 93 isn't talked about as a "plane crash" like other accidental plane crashes are

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

How does "crash" imply it was accidental?  Two planes crashed into the World Trade Towers on 9/11.  That's certainly not implying those were accidental.

NBC did call it a car accident, not a car crash.

[Lighthouse 84]

How does "crash" imply it was accidental?  Two planes crashed into the World Trade Towers on 9/11.  That's certainly not implying those were accidental.

I think saying two planes crashed into the Towers does imply accidental and it's a misstatement of fact.  The planes were flown into the towers, just as the car was driven into the parade goers.

[wadesworld]

I think saying two planes crashed into the Towers does imply accidental and it's a misstatement of fact.  The planes were flown into the towers, just as the car was driven into the parade goers.

I guess this is getting away from the point and into semantics, but they were both flown and crashed into the towers.  Just like when there is an actual car accident, it's usually someone driving into something.  "I drove into the 20 car pileup."

[CountryRoads]

CountryRoads, you seem like a reasonable dude but I'm concerned that a few of the points you're making are also being made by the Q Believers on the internet around this being the first attack of the new civil war. I hope you're not falling down that rabbit hole.

Any information or coverage about this tragedy that goes beyond "a guy who just made a terrible choice" is obviously going to be from a more right wing source. I was deliberate to not include an MSNBC video where the anchor verbally said the same thing that it was an accident, because it was sited only by sources that I don't consider appropriate to reference on here. Even though the video is directly from MSNBC, posters on here would dismiss it anyway depending on where it came from. That's perfectly fine.

The Wikipedia example can be laughed at (and Tyler Kolek should be the governor of WV), but it's a site that has 13.5 billion views a month and it still reads as "car crash". It can't just be simply changed back.

Again, go back and read the thread if you desire, but I only took exception to this after a poster made a rather brash and premature statement about the incident. One that coincidentally aligned with what the opposite of "Q Believers" (whatever they are called) were saying. Especially considering there were people on this board who knew people affected, I was hoping this discussion would just be for thoughts and prayers for them. That quickly turned out not to be the case.

[Hards Alumni]

Any information or coverage about this tragedy that goes beyond "a guy who just made a terrible choice" is obviously going to be from a more right wing source. I was deliberate to not include an MSNBC video where the anchor verbally said the same thing that it was an accident, because it was sited only by sources that I don't consider appropriate to reference on here. Even though the video is directly from MSNBC, posters on here would dismiss it anyway depending on where it came from. That's perfectly fine.

The Wikipedia example can be laughed at (and Tyler Kolek should be the governor of WV), but it's a site that has 13.5 billion views a month and it still reads as "car crash". It can't just be simply changed back.

Again, go back and read the thread if you desire, but I only took exception to this after a poster made a rather brash and premature statement about the incident. One that coincidentally aligned with what the opposite of "Q Believers" (whatever they are called) were saying. Especially considering there were people on this board who knew people affected, I was hoping this discussion would just be for thoughts and prayers for them. That quickly turned out not to be the case.

Show your work, please.

[MU82]

you're right. MSNBC and CNN would never refer to something as "terrorism" or explicitly claim a political motive without any proof.  Like "racism," "fascism," and "nazi," that term has been watered down so much by hyper-partisans it means nothing anymore.

And Fox News and AON call everybody who disagrees with Trumpism a lib (or worse), and they've led cheers while their own party canceled Liz Cheney, one of the most conservative people in Congress. And speaking of watering down a word ... how about "socialist"? That apparently is everybody and everything that isn't alt-right. And of course the Jan. 6 felons are noble freedom-fighters. We can have fun with this stuff all day long, BH.

Again, calling this a car crash or accident is stupid. I said it. You're the one who wants to politicize this tragedy. It is OK if I call it a tragedy, right?

[CountryRoads]

Show your work, please.

Only since you asked:

https://twitter.com/rpetty/status/1463537537423654912?s=21

I specifically grabbed this from an account I don't recognize. I'm ignorant to any other content that account posts, but there is the video you requested (found a short one for ya, 12 seconds long)

[Hards Alumni]

Only since you asked:

https://twitter.com/rpetty/status/1463537537423654912?s=21

I specifically grabbed this from an account I don't recognize. I'm ignorant to any other content that account posts, but there is the video you requested (found a short one for ya, 12 seconds long)

No, you're misunderstanding.  You claimed that "Posters here would dismiss it anyway".  That is what I'm looking for.

[CountryRoads]

No, you're misunderstanding.  You claimed that "Posters here would dismiss it anyway".  That is what I'm looking for.

Apologize in advance to everyone else for hogging the digital real estate in this thread, but here's one example that actually involved you (I don't care or have time to find others):

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Re: Rittenhouse Volume 2
« Reply #184 on: November 11, 2021, 03:42:23 PM »
Quote from: pacearrow02 on November 11, 2021, 02:46:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458890557053448203

It did.  Defense objected, Binger said he was trying to prove bias and some other stuff. Judge had to go to a recess, sent jury out of the court room etc

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Get off twitter, you're following intellectually dishonest people.

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The poster you were replying to linked an actual video from the Rittenhouse trial and your immediate response was just to attack the source, completely ignoring the content of that post even though it was just footage from the testimony. That good enough for you?

[jficke13]

Jack Posobiec has proven himself to be a bad faith actor more times than anyone can count.

When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Posobiec has loudly, proudly, unrepentantly done so for years. There is nothing of value to glean from following him.

And, on the off chance that he accidently said something truthful, then the same observation could be had from a not-poisoned source. For example, if he said "water is wet" that would, of course be true. However, there would also be no reason to cite Posobiec for such a proposition because someone else would be available who does not carry such a reputation for gleeful dishonesty.

[Hards Alumni]

Apologize in advance to everyone else for hogging the digital real estate in this thread, but here's one example that actually involved you (I don't care or have time to find others):

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Re: Rittenhouse Volume 2
« Reply #184 on: November 11, 2021, 03:42:23 PM »
Quote from: pacearrow02 on November 11, 2021, 02:46:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458890557053448203

It did.  Defense objected, Binger said he was trying to prove bias and some other stuff. Judge had to go to a recess, sent jury out of the court room etc

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Get off twitter, you're following intellectually dishonest people.

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The poster you were replying to linked an actual video from the Rittenhouse trial and your immediate response was just to attack the source, completely ignoring the content of that post even though it was just footage from the testimony. That good enough for you?

LOL

[CountryRoads]

Jack Posobiec has proven himself to be a bad faith actor more times than anyone can count.

When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Posobiec has loudly, proudly, unrepentantly done so for years. There is nothing of value to glean from following him.

And, on the off chance that he accidently said something truthful, then the same observation could be had from a not-poisoned source. For example, if he said "water is wet" that would, of course be true. However, there would also be no reason to cite Posobiec for such a proposition because someone else would be available who does not carry such a reputation for gleeful dishonesty.

The original poster could have used a different source for that video, I agree. None of what you said is relevant to this thread.

[withoutbias]

Jack Posobiec has proven himself to be a bad faith actor more times than anyone can count.

When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Posobiec has loudly, proudly, unrepentantly done so for years. There is nothing of value to glean from following him.

And, on the off chance that he accidently said something truthful, then the same observation could be had from a not-poisoned source. For example, if he said "water is wet" that would, of course be true. However, there would also be no reason to cite Posobiec for such a proposition because someone else would be available who does not carry such a reputation for gleeful dishonesty.

Is water wet?  Or does water cause wetness?

[rocket surgeon]

I'm going to a parade tonight in DC area. But I ain't bringing an AR like the wussy thugs that all these suburban boys have turned into, like Rittenhouse or the McMichaels guys or this Brooks fella. Just my masculine two fists if anyone tries to terrorist.

  or like these 2, eyn'a?

[Hards Alumni]

  or like these 2, eyn'a?

Look at that scope.  He tryin'a shoot da man in da moon?

[Uncle Rico]

  or like these 2, eyn'a?

How fast would you call the cops if you saw that?

[Jockey]

How fast would you call the cops if you saw that?

They're black. Even the most ardent gun lovers can't handle black guys having guns. Not a surprise who posted this.

[Goose]

Jockey

I support any responsible, sane person to be able to carry a gun. It makes zero difference to me what race the person is as long they are responsible people. I live by a simple rule, responsible, sane people have the right to do anything within the laws of local, state or federal government.

I would add, I am far more worried/concerned about the reckless driving in the city of MKE than I am guns. On my way to work this morning there was a beat up car, with no plates that caused great concern to me and every one in his path. Over the past few months I have had several near misses with extremely, extremely dangerous drivers.

[Hards Alumni]

Jockey

I support any responsible, sane person to be able to carry a gun. It makes zero difference to me what race the person is as long they are responsible people. I live by a simple rule, responsible, sane people have the right to do anything within the laws of local, state or federal government.

I would add, I am far more worried/concerned about the reckless driving in the city of MKE than I am guns. On my way to work this morning there was a beat up car, with no plates that caused great concern to me and every one in his path. Over the past few months I have had several near misses with extremely, extremely dangerous drivers.

It's also rampant here in Madison. 

[Goose]

Hards

There is not week that goes by that I do not send out a group text to my family to remind them to be extra careful. I have trained myself to slow down at every intersection, even with a green light.

[Uncle Rico]

Jockey

I support any responsible, sane person to be able to carry a gun. It makes zero difference to me what race the person is as long they are responsible people. I live by a simple rule, responsible, sane people have the right to do anything within the laws of local, state or federal government.

I would add, I am far more worried/concerned about the reckless driving in the city of MKE than I am guns. On my way to work this morning there was a beat up car, with no plates that caused great concern to me and every one in his path. Over the past few months I have had several near misses with extremely, extremely dangerous drivers.

Goose-

preach on.  The reckless driving in Milwaukee is awful.  The passing in bus lanes and using right turn lanes to rip through an instersection is incredible

[Goose]

Rico

You noted the good driving habits. I work downtown and used to take city streets about 25% of the time and stopped entirely about six months ago. The reckless drivers are far more of threat to my safety than any one carrying a gun, legally or not.

[forgetful]

NBC did call it a car accident, not a car crash.

The phrasing car accident technically applies to any incident involving a car crashing into a person/structure/car. The phrase "accident" in reference to a car, can be intentional or unintentional.

NBC wasn't trying to spin any narrative, and personally I think that was quite obvious. I'm sure they were trying to choose the most generic term possible for the incident until all/more facts are out. You'll see the language change to "attack" over the coming hours/days.

That doesn't absolve them of fault in poor word choice. The term "accident" in general invokes the idea of it being unintentional in most people. If there were going for generic until more info comes out, "incident" or "tragedy" would have been a far far better choice, and more respectful of those who have loved ones affected by this horrific crime.

Calling that an agenda or pushing a narrative though is absurd. Normal people wouldn't jump to that conclusion, but those following a certain news channel/site, which jumped all over this calling it media bias and crafting a narrative, will echo whatever they are told.

Why don't we focus on the important part for now and pray for all those who were affected by this horrific crime.

[MU82]

  or like these 2, eyn'a?

OH NO! BLACK PEOPLE WITH GUNS!!!!!

Whities who get woodies at the mere thought of the 2nd Amendment tend to be a little less turned on when "others" have guns.