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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: pacearrow02 on November 21, 2021, 05:50:38 PM
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Tough night in Waukesha. Prayers for that community and 🤞 no scoopers or their loved ones in harms way!!
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Tough night in Waukesha. Prayers for that community and 🤞 no scoopers or their loved ones in harms way!!
I just saw the story. Terrible news
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Man...
https://twitter.com/CBS58/status/1462565957281501194?s=20
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Man...
https://twitter.com/CBS58/status/1462565957281501194?s=20
Wow. That flag person really is fortunate she didn’t get clipped. Awful.
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Wow. That flag person really is fortunate she didn’t get clipped. Awful.
Sounds like tragically a lot of unlucky people but one of the lucky ones in the link below.
https://mobile.twitter.com/IntelPointAlert/status/1462566324157267969
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Girlfriend got pulled to the ED from the PICU because of the number of children being brought in.
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very sad prayers for the injured
BLM hope the GF is OK as well
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What the fook is wrong with people, hey?
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very sad prayers for the injured
BLM hope the GF is OK as well
She’s okay but has a busy night ahead.
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This is .. a horrific video. Looks like the car plows through a HS marching band.
https://twitter.com/taylorlumpkintv/status/1462575035042910212
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Hope everyone on this board & their families are ok.
Unbelievable. Sickening. Prayers up for for all the victims.
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absolutely disgusting.
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I'm sick to my stomach thinking of the families
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Multiple fatalities, according to the police chief.
Fu**.
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The number will only go up.
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I hope this is true and holds https://twitter.com/victorjacobo_/status/1462611593875931141?t=5FoL29UTBRjVHjLh6TrNMA&s=19pp (https://twitter.com/victorjacobo_/status/1462611593875931141?t=5FoL29UTBRjVHjLh6TrNMA&s=19pp)
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Terrible. Horrific. Beyond sad.
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Do they know anything yet about this driver? Awful and evil.
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I hope this is true and holds https://twitter.com/victorjacobo_/status/1462611593875931141?t=5FoL29UTBRjVHjLh6TrNMA&s=19pp (https://twitter.com/victorjacobo_/status/1462611593875931141?t=5FoL29UTBRjVHjLh6TrNMA&s=19pp)
Unfortunately, it isn't. There are fatalities.
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Is the person of interest in custody?
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Is the person of interest in custody?
Yes.
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Yes.
Sort of yes. They have the vehicle and one of the people of interest. The internet is saying there was more than one person in the vehicle.
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Unfortunately, it isn't. There are fatalities.
Understand. Just hoping none among them are the ones at children's.
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Sort of yes. They have the vehicle and one of the people of interest. The internet is saying there was more than one person in the vehicle.
Internets also saying there’s a standoff at a residence.
Internets though.
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Sort of yes. They have the vehicle and one of the people of interest. The internet is saying there was more than one person in the vehicle.
Ty.
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I believe there are more than 15 that Children's is getting/has gotten.
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Tragic incident. Hope no Scoopers had anyone directly affected.
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Both my daughters were in the parade today with their dance team and marching bands respectively. But fortunately they were earlier in the parade and had already finished up before this happened. This is so awful - my thoughts and prayers for the victims and their families.
We were near the end of the parade route so we didn't see anything. We just saw the parade end suddenly and were told to move to the library right away. We knew something was very wrong but didn't know right away what. My older daughter texted us from the bus her band was on to see if we were all ok.
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Both my daughters were in the parade today with their dance team and marching bands respectively. But fortunately they were earlier in the parade and had already finished up before this happened. This is so awful - my thoughts and prayers for the victims and their families.
We were near the end of the parade route so we didn't see anything. We just saw the parade end suddenly and were told to move to the library right away. We knew something was very wrong but didn't know right away what. My older daughter texted us from the bus her band was on to see if we were all ok.
Glad to hear your family is OK.
What a sickening situation.
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Sort of yes. They have the vehicle and one of the people of interest. The internet is saying there was more than one person in the vehicle.
I've seen lots of report that there we 3 people in the SUV. That's 3 MFers that all thought that is was a good idea.
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I've seen lots of report that there we 3 people in the SUV. That's 3 MFers that all thought that is was a good idea.
Unbelievable.
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Glad to hear your family is OK.
What a sickening situation.
Thanks - I feel very fortunate tonight but I'm so sick to my stomach about what happened.
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Both my daughters were in the parade today with their dance team and marching bands respectively. But fortunately they were earlier in the parade and had already finished up before this happened. This is so awful - my thoughts and prayers for the victims and their families.
We were near the end of the parade route so we didn't see anything. We just saw the parade end suddenly and were told to move to the library right away. We knew something was very wrong but didn't know right away what. My older daughter texted us from the bus her band was on to see if we were all ok.
Wow. I'm glad your family is okay.
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If the initial name on the scanner is true, the guy posted bond two days ago... On charges including bailjumping.
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That one video of that very young girl, being carefree and enjoying life and the parade, and the SUV misses her by maybe a foot or two, is chilling.
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That one video of that very young girl, being carefree and enjoying life and the parade, and the SUV misses her by maybe a foot or two, is chilling.
I thought the same thing when I watched that video and can't imagine how her family felt knowing how close she came to being hit and knowing what the guy in that car did too. And I know a bunch of kids were in the street at that time trying to pick up candy also :(.
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One of our closest family friends, and my co -worker for 40 years, grandson was in the band. He was struck and fortunately only suffered a few broken ribs. Was a long night for his family and thankfully he will be ok. Fxxked up world.
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One of our closest family friends, and my co -worker for 40 years, grandson was in the band. He was struck and fortunately only suffered a few broken ribs. Was a long night for his family and thankfully we will be ok. Fxxked up world.
That’s terrible. Sorry to hear this, Goose.
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Rico
There are good people out there and a lady in the crowd stayed with him until Waukesha Sheriff arrived to take him to the hospital in a squad car. More good people than bad people in the world.
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One of our closest family friends, and my co -worker for 40 years, grandson was in the band. He was struck and fortunately only suffered a few broken ribs. Was a long night for his family and thankfully he will be ok. Fxxked up world.
That’s awful. Hope the little guys is ok.
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One of our closest family friends, and my co -worker for 40 years, grandson was in the band. He was struck and fortunately only suffered a few broken ribs. Was a long night for his family and thankfully he will be ok. Fxxked up world.
So glad to hear that your friend's grandson will be ok. I'm sure that was very traumatic for him and his family.
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One of our closest family friends, and my co -worker for 40 years, grandson was in the band. He was struck and fortunately only suffered a few broken ribs. Was a long night for his family and thankfully he will be ok. Fxxked up world.
Goose, I hope your friend and his grandson are doing as well as possible after such a unspeakable and evil act. It's gut wrenching just to hear these stories, let alone be directly impacted.
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FWIW, NBC News is reporting the suspect/person of interest may have been fleeing from a knife fight. Just f*cking terrible.
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FWIW, NBC News is reporting the suspect/person of interest may have been fleeing from a knife fight. Just f*cking terrible.
Didn't look like anyone was chasing him.
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Brothers BLM and Goose:
Prayers for your family and girlfriend. Our hope is both, along with everyone injured, makes a full recovery.
We're with you guys -- we really are a family here!
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Brothers BLM and Goose:
Prayers for your family and girlfriend. Our hope is both, along with everyone injured, makes a full recovery.
We're with you guys -- we really are a family here!
We're a family, it's just that a few of you are the uncles that we warn the kids not to talk to.
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Didn't look like anyone was chasing him.
And yet if his objective was to hurt people in the parade, he was behind everyone... he could easily have made this a lot lot worse. Whatever his goal "monstrous idiot fleeing crime scene" seems more likely than "targeted xmas parade for terror attack" at least based on what I know at this point.
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I would think if you were fleeing a previous crime there would be better routes to take than mowing people down at a parade. It did not appear he was being chased and I'm not buying the fleeing theory. I am happy to see the FBI taking an active role in this investigation.
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Brothers BLM and Goose:
Prayers for your family and girlfriend. Our hope is both, along with everyone injured, makes a full recovery.
We're with you guys -- we really are a family here!
I appreciate it. It was a rough night for her. She's been at the hospital since 6:00 AM yesterday and will be there into the afternoon today. Thankful that (as far as we know) nobody we know was effected, but I don't think this was one of the better days on the job for her.
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A family friend had 2 kids injured. Both are OK, but lucky.
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A family friend had 2 kids injured. Both are OK, but lucky.
Glad they are ok. Hope they do ok after this - I'm sure it had to be very traumatizing.
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If this guy is in fact responsible for this disgusting act it's mindboggling he was out on bail. His rap sheet is beyond belief and I just heard he got out on $1000 bail a few days ago? WTF?
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A family friend had 2 kids injured. Both are OK, but lucky.
Sorry to hear that Ziggy. I certainly hope they get the support they need moving forward.
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The suspect in the Waukesha Christmas parade incident was charged with running over a woman in Milwaukee less than three weeks ago.
What a piece of human garbage.
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The suspect in the Waukesha Christmas parade incident was charged with running over a woman in Milwaukee less than three weeks ago.
What a piece of human garbage.
That's the domestic abuse charge from November 5th?
No joke, the dude and his car were in a music video he made under his stage name MathBoi Fly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_OFO20Xu0A
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The suspect in the Waukesha Christmas parade incident was charged with running over a woman in Milwaukee less than three weeks ago.
What a piece of human garbage.
Time to go after the DA here for letting someone like this back on the streets.
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9 kids currently in ICU at Children’s (6 critical, 3 serious) ranging between the ages of 3-16.
Absolute monster.
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That's the domestic abuse charge from November 5th?
No joke, the dude and his car were in a music video he made under his stage name MathBoi Fly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_OFO20Xu0A
Bunch of shots inside the Fiserv Forum parking garage in that video. This can't be good for recruiting
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That's the domestic abuse charge from November 5th?
Yes.
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Time to go after the DA here for letting someone like this back on the streets.
Judges typically set bond (yes, with input from the DA... or more likely a young ADA who drew the assignment of doing 25 bond hearings that morning)
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Judges typically set bond (yes, with input from the DA... or more likely a young ADA who drew the assignment of doing 25 bond hearings that morning)
Who apparently didn't notice or didn't care that the guy has jumped bail before.
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Who apparently didn't notice or didn't care that the guy has jumped bail before.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I didn't agree with the central premise of "perhaps we should critically examine the way bond/bail is set generally as well as to determine why it was set the way it was in this specific instance and also to hold accountable those involved in setting the bond in this case."
I was just trying to ensure that the judge felt some heat too.
My bad.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I didn't agree with the central premise of "perhaps we should critically examine the way bond/bail is set generally as well as to determine why it was set the way it was in this specific instance and also to hold accountable those involved in setting the bond in this case."
I was just trying to ensure that the judge felt some heat too.
My bad.
Chill. We are apparently on the same side on this.
I was just adding some additional information.
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The recent $1,000 bail recommended by prosecutors, and accepted by the court commissioner, was "inappropriately low" given the nature of the charges, according to a statement Monday from the Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office, led by District Attorney John Chisholm.
The bail also was not consistent with the office's approach to cases "involving violent crime, nor was it consistent with the risk assessment of the defendant prior to setting of bail," the statement read.
"This office is currently conducting an internal review of the decision to make the recent bail recommendation in this matter in order to determine the appropriate next steps."
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2021/11/22/suspect-waukesha-parade-incident-identified-darrell-brooks-jr/8717524002/
All that said, $1,000 is pretty standard for a misdemeanor domestic battery, but I don't know if this particular case was charged as a misdemeanor or felony. If it's the former, I'm more troubled by that than the bond amount.
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The recent $1,000 bail recommended by prosecutors, and accepted by the court commissioner, was "inappropriately low" given the nature of the charges, according to a statement Monday from the Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office, led by District Attorney John Chisholm.
The bail also was not consistent with the office's approach to cases "involving violent crime, nor was it consistent with the risk assessment of the defendant prior to setting of bail," the statement read.
"This office is currently conducting an internal review of the decision to make the recent bail recommendation in this matter in order to determine the appropriate next steps."
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2021/11/22/suspect-waukesha-parade-incident-identified-darrell-brooks-jr/8717524002/
All that said, $1,000 is pretty standard for a misdemeanor domestic battery, but I don't know if this particular case was charged as a misdemeanor or felony. If it's the former, I'm more troubled by that than the bond amount.
It may be slightly political because that's how it works these days, but I prefer when judges either lock-em-up or not decisions over bonds. $1k, $10k, or $100k bonds are very cheap for a lot of people, and prohibitive for a segment of society. If we think an accused person is dangerous, then lock them up. No bond for anyone.
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Prayers to the victims and families.
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It may be slightly political because that's how it works these days, but I prefer when judges either lock-em-up or not decisions over bonds. $1k, $10k, or $100k bonds are very cheap for a lot of people, and prohibitive for a segment of society. If we think an accused person is dangerous, then lock them up. No bond for anyone.
These are exactly the kind of people who need to be locked up - violent felons. And they need to be locked up for a long time. With for-profit prisons proliferating, we have so many people in prison who do not need to be there.
Prisons shouldn't be for people we don't like or approve of. They should be filled with people that deserve time - people that we are scared of as a society.
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These are exactly the kind of people who need to be locked up - violent felons. And they need to be locked up for a long time. With for-profit prisons proliferating, we have so many people in prison who do not need to be there.
Prisons shouldn't be for people we don't like or approve of. They should be filled with people that deserve time - people that we are scared of as a society.
Bail has nothing to do with prison.
Prison is where you go after you've been convicted.
Jail is where you go after you've been arrested and before you've been convicted (unless you post bail/bond).
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I just watched the press conference. New official information:
The suspect was fleeing from a domestic incident. The police were called, but did not make it to the scene before the suspect fled in his vehicle. There was not an active pursuit in progress when the suspect went around traffic barriers and another police car to enter the parade route.
Five fatalities so far aged 52-82. 48 total victims so far.
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It may be slightly political because that's how it works these days, but I prefer when judges either lock-em-up or not decisions over bonds. $1k, $10k, or $100k bonds are very cheap for a lot of people, and prohibitive for a segment of society. If we think an accused person is dangerous, then lock them up. No bond for anyone.
The Illinois legislature voted to eliminate cash bond for this reason. Filling jails with nonviolent offenders simply because they can't afford bail makes no sense, and creates space/staffing issues that make it more difficult to detain the people who shouldn't be free.
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warriorchick
It sure sounded like he had decided to the join the parade route and got himself in and went towards police, not away from them. I really do not know why they keep mentioning an earlier domestic dispute, it seems like this guy had a daily domestic dispute.
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I just watched the press conference. New official information:
The suspect was fleeing from a domestic incident. The police were called, but did not make it to the scene before the suspect fled in his vehicle. There was not an active pursuit in progress when the suspect went around traffic barriers and another police car to enter the parade route.
Five fatalities so far aged 52-82. 48 total victims so far.
3 sets of siblings in Children's hospital right now :( - I really feel for those families.
Just an awful situation all around :(
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warriorchick
It sure sounded like he had decided to the join the parade route and got himself in and went towards police, not away from them. I really do not know why they keep mentioning an earlier domestic dispute, it seems like this guy had a daily domestic dispute.
I am guessing because it had already been reported on news sites that police had been called to the dispute, and he wanted to clarify that the police did not chase him onto the parade route.
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warriorchick
It sure sounded like he had decided to the join the parade route and got himself in and went towards police, not away from them. I really do not know why they keep mentioning an earlier domestic dispute, it seems like this guy had a daily domestic dispute.
Most likely an attempt to move the attention away from the suspect’s true motive, which will probably never be formally revealed unfortunately. It also seems like a weak attempt at creating a narrative that police were currently in pursuit of the suspect and should shoulder some of the responsibility for the tragedy.
It’s a heartbreaking situation though. Really hoping those people currently in the hospital make a full recovery.
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Most likely an attempt to move the attention away from the suspect’s true motive, which will probably never be formally revealed unfortunately. It also seems like a weak attempt at creating a narrative that police were currently in pursuit of the suspect and should shoulder some of the responsibility for the tragedy.
The woke Waukesha Police Department is hiding the truth and putting out false information as part of a conspiracy to blame ... the police?
Some people are sad the narrative isn't the one they were hoping for, I guess.
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Most likely an attempt to move the attention away from the suspect’s true motive, which will probably never be formally revealed unfortunately. It also seems like a weak attempt at creating a narrative that police were currently in pursuit of the suspect and should shoulder some of the responsibility for the tragedy.
It’s a heartbreaking situation though. Really hoping those people currently in the hospital make a full recovery.
pray tell, what do you hope that motive truly is?
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Pakuni
I have no idea what the motive was, but he made a conscious effort to enter the parade route. He is someone who has a history of making horrible decisions and I do not believe he was fleeing a previous dispute. That said, regardless of reason, it appears that he intended to cause harm.
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Pakuni
I have no idea what the motive was, but he made a conscious effort to enter the parade route. He is someone who has a history of making horrible decisions and I do not believe he was fleeing a previous dispute. That said, regardless of reason, it appears that he intended to cause harm.
Do you believe police are lying about him fleeing a previous dispute or are simply incompetent?
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Do you believe police are lying about him fleeing a previous dispute or are simply incompetent?
I watched the press conference
He was fleeing but NOT being chased.
Also they stated this was intentional. He has been charged as such.
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I watched the press conference
He was fleeing but NOT being chased.
Also they stated this was intentional. He has been charged as such.
Some here seem to believe this is not true.
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Do you believe police are lying about him fleeing a previous dispute or are simply incompetent?
I think we need a definition of "fleeing" here. It sounds as if he was not being pursued by the police. Was he being chased by someone else, or just getting away? Why would he take that route instead of a straight route to 94?
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Pakuni
Fleeing to me is making a run for it and far better routes to take than the parade. Stating he was fleeing seems to take away the decision making and intent behind the tragedy. Bad guys flee all the time, most do not intentionally enter a parade and run people over.
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He could have been running from the original dispute and for some reason then decided to careen down the parade route. The two are not mutually exclusive..
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The woke Waukesha Police Department is hiding the truth and putting out false information as part of a conspiracy to blame ... the police?
Some people are sad the narrative isn't the one they were hoping for, I guess.
I assumed the poster I was responding to was referring to the news outlets who headlined the “fleeing” aspect of the situation above everything else, not the police. Apologies for the confusion.
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Most idiots that are fleeing are trying to avoid the police, not run into them. I have never heard of someone fleeing trying to get caught.
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Maybe you guys should take this up with the cops. Maybe you know things they don't?
The driver of an SUV that hurtled through a barricade and slammed into a Christmas parade in a suburban community on Sunday was fleeing from a domestic disturbance moments before he killed at least five people and injured more than 40, police said.
Waukesha Police Chief Dan Thompson said Monday that Darrell Brooks Jr., 39, was fleeing a domestic disturbance with a report of a knife when he rammed into the parade. Brooks was not being chased, Thompson said. He will be charged with five counts of intentional homicide, Thompson added.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/11/22/waukesha-wisconsin-christmas-parade-updates/8716684002/
As for why he chose that route ... I don't know. He's obviously a terrible person who has a long record of showing little regard for his fellow humans. That might be all there is to it.
I understand, truly, the very normal, very human need to make sense of awful things like this. It's way easier to accept that this was a planned, terroristic act than some random awfulness. But as is often the case, these things aren't always easily be explained.
Why did Adam Lanza decide to go kill a classroom full of little kids?
Why did Stephen Paddock fire 1,100 shots into a crowd of people at a concert?
Why did James Holmes walk into a movie theater and shoot dozens of people?
Sometimes these things make no sense. Sorry.
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Pakuni
I don’t think this was a planned terrorist attack but not accepting that he was fleeing and made a wrong turn. I have zero idea on his motive, only question that he was fleeing and got lost.
I have no idea why he did this and I am sad over the events. Aside from my friend’s grandson being hit, my son’s mother in law lost a dear friend in this tragedy.
I’m not going to apologize for being troubled by the use of the word he was fleeing. Again, by my definition fleeing is trying to avoid capture, not running to be captured.
To be clear, like all tragedies, this is a bad person doing unthinkable things. I feel the same feelings every time innocent people are taken from their families.
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In seeing the go fund me pages for some of the kids hurt yesterday, it looks like a number of them suffered brain injuries/trauma :( . That's not surprising based on what happened but still hard to read. Hoping for the best for recovery for all the injured.
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Pakuni
I don’t think this was a planned terrorist attack but not accepting that he was fleeing and made a wrong turn. I have zero idea on his motive, only question that he was fleeing and got lost.
I have no idea why he did this and I am sad over the events. Aside from my friend’s grandson being hit, my son’s mother in law lost a dear friend in this tragedy.
I’m not going to apologize for being troubled by the use of the word he was fleeing. Again, by my definition fleeing is trying to avoid capture, not running to be captured.
To be clear, like all tragedies, this is a bad person doing unthinkable things. I feel the same feelings every time innocent people are taken from their families.
Goose,
You're entirely correct. There's nothing logical about a fleeing man driving into a crowd, where surely he'll be seen and captured.
Where we disagree is on your insistence that this man was acting with some degree of logic or rational thought. I think we've seen time and again that that's often not the case when things like this happen.
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I think we need a definition of "fleeing" here. It sounds as if he was not being pursued by the police. Was he being chased by someone else, or just getting away? Why would he take that route instead of a straight route to 94?
Downtown Waukesha can be confusing.
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Sad.
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Pakuni
I have no idea if it was rational or logical thinking in his part. Only know that he avoided police where entered and did not stop when shot at. Bad people do thinks that I cannot imagine and thankfully cannot imagine. But, I am not going to give benefit of the doubt to a bad guy.
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Downtown Waukesha can be confusing.
I ended up in Mukwanago leaving downtown Waukesha when I was in high school, so yes.
The police report doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. But I don’t know if this guy was all hopped up on something along with fleeing from a crime or what.
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Downtown Waukesha is beyond confusing. Aside from two of my kids going to school there, I have stepped foot there under five times in my life and I live 10-12 miles from there.
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Maybe you guys should take this up with the cops. Maybe you know things they don't?
The driver of an SUV that hurtled through a barricade and slammed into a Christmas parade in a suburban community on Sunday was fleeing from a domestic disturbance moments before he killed at least five people and injured more than 40, police said.
Waukesha Police Chief Dan Thompson said Monday that Darrell Brooks Jr., 39, was fleeing a domestic disturbance with a report of a knife when he rammed into the parade. Brooks was not being chased, Thompson said. He will be charged with five counts of intentional homicide, Thompson added.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/11/22/waukesha-wisconsin-christmas-parade-updates/8716684002/
As for why he chose that route ... I don't know. He's obviously a terrible person who has a long record of showing little regard for his fellow humans. That might be all there is to it.
I understand, truly, the very normal, very human need to make sense of awful things like this. It's way easier to accept that this was a planned, terroristic act than some random awfulness. But as is often the case, these things aren't always easily be explained.
Why did Adam Lanza decide to go kill a classroom full of little kids?
Why did Stephen Paddock fire 1,100 shots into a crowd of people at a concert?
Why did James Holmes walk into a movie theater and shoot dozens of people?
Sometimes these things make no sense. Sorry.
All the examples you provided were premeditated acts of evil that were planned out. In this case there seems to be an inference that since he was 'fleeing' another crime, this was a spur of the moment decision. I can't think of another example where the perpetrator of a mass killing of random people decided to do it moments before committing the act.
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Downtown Waukesha can be confusing.
I was thinking this, too. Guy is from MKE, goes to Waukesha, DV dispute, cops called, he “flees”, has no clue where he is going, runs into a parade route, panics, appears to try and miss some people while he also appears to intentionally run over people, panics. He is a terrible human who did a disgusting act, could be terrorism, could be stupidity, could be both. Complete tragedy, that is not in question.
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I was thinking this, too. Guy is from MKE, goes to Waukesha, DV dispute, cops called, he “flees”, has no clue where he is going, runs into a parade route, panics, appears to try and miss some people while he also appears to intentionally run over people, panics. He is a terrible human who did a disgusting act, could be terrorism, could be stupidity, could be both. Complete tragedy, that is not in question.
But no police were chasing him as far as I know? Correct? Also if you are fleeing Milwaukee how do you end up in downtown Waukesha?
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But no police were chasing him as far as I know? Correct?
According to the police, they had been notified about the domestic disturbance and were en route to the location. He fled the scene before they got there. They did not chase him.
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A nice article on the victims, specifically one of the Dancing Grannies
https://www.nytimes.com/article/waukesha-parade-victims.html
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Should've tried blending in with the parade crowd if he was really "fleeing", right?
Worked for Dr. Kimble in Chicago back in the 90's.
The guy's a scumbag, quit trying to make this into another race issue. Scumbags come in all colors.
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In seeing the go fund me pages for some of the kids hurt yesterday, it looks like a number of them suffered brain injuries/trauma :( . That's not surprising based on what happened but still hard to read. Hoping for the best for recovery for all the injured.
Sadly this is true.
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Horrible. I hope Marquette and the Bucks do all they can to help the families and those suffering.
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A nice article on the victims, specifically one of the Dancing Grannies
https://www.nytimes.com/article/waukesha-parade-victims.html
Tamara Durand was in her first performance with the Dancing Grannies :(. I've taken my kids to this parade for many years and I always remember the Dancing Grannies - they always seemed to love what they do.
My daughters and I went to the Vigil Service at Cutler Park tonight - lots of people there. Sad that there was a need for that but it was a nice service.
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I can't think of another example where the perpetrator of a mass killing of random people decided to do it moments before committing the act.
There are many, many examples of people driving into crowds having decided to do it moments before committing the act.
Like this one.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/james-alex-fields-driver-deadly-car-attack-charlottesville-rally-sentenced-n1024436
And this one.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/seattle-car-drives-into-protesters-i-5-summer-taylor-2020-07-05/
And this one.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/driver-arrested-after-plowing-new-york-city-protesters-injuring-6-n1250993
And this one.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/06/14/one-dead-after-driver-crashes-into-protesters-in-uptown-minneapolis
And this one.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-who-drove-2-children-because-their-race-gets-25-n1277303
And this one.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/adacia-chambers-oklahoma-state-homecoming-crash-sentenced/
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Pakuni
These are your examples of someone deciding to run people over on a whim? Boozeman is spot on that the other cowards did not decide at the last minute to commit mass murder and they were not good comparisons to the parade incident. I think the links you shared are reaching quite a bit.
Again, I have no idea if he planned this out weeks ago or at the time he entered the parade route. But, I do maintain that I do not think he made a wrong turn while fleeing.
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Pakuni
These are your examples of someone deciding to run people over on a whim? Boozeman is spot on that the other cowards did not decide at the last minute to commit mass murder and they were not good comparisons to the parade incident. I think the links you shared are reaching quite a bit.
Again, I have no idea if he planned this out weeks ago or at the time he entered the parade route. But, I do maintain that I do not think he made a wrong turn while fleeing.
Goose:
Leave it to that lunatic poster to try to excuse/whatabout this away. Twisted individual. Character Revealed indeed.
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It doesn’t matter what you think about the driver’s motive. What it actually was will unfold as more evidence is established—at this stage, it’s just speculation that distracts from the larger tragedy. Not worth getting ruffled over.
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Eye witness accounts state that he had a look in his eye of focusing on people and maneuvering not to avoid, but to hit them. If he just happened upon this parade mistakenly, there would have been some attempt at avoidance and exit at earliest convenience.
Here, he created mass havoc, to say the least, drew more attention to himself and then exited. Oh, and by the way, he seemed to have a problem with cars and using them as weapons against his adversaries…case in point- one of the charges he was most recently up for and bailed out on
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Again, I have no idea if he planned this out weeks ago or at the time he entered the parade route. But, I do maintain that I do not think he made a wrong turn while fleeing.
Goose
Who here said he made a wrong turn while fleeing?
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Goose:
Leave it to that lunatic poster to try to excuse/whatabout this away. Twisted individual. Character Revealed indeed.
I'd call you intellectually dishonest here, but that would wrongly imply you have any intellect.
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Pakuni
Let’s agree to disagree. I have no agenda on my posts, only stating how I feel. Regardless of motive, it was a horrible situation that stole lives and caused long term damage to families. I doubt if we will ever know the whole story and hopefully he will be punished far harsher than his bail was for previous crimes.
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Pakuni
Let’s agree to disagree. I have no agenda on my posts, only stating how I feel. Regardless of motive, it was a horrible situation that stole lives and caused long term damage to families. I doubt if we will ever know the whole story and hopefully he will be punished far harsher than his bail was for previous crimes.
Goose
I'm not entirely sure what you think we disagree about, but I agree with everything you wrote above.
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Is there a difference whether someone thought about it the previous week to mow people down with their vehicle and then carry it out or if they see people and decide to drive into them spur of the moment?
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Goose
I'm not entirely sure what you think we disagree about, but I agree with everything you wrote above.
What started this all was CountryRoads' assertion that we will never know the suspect's true intention.
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What started this all was CountryRoads' assertion that we will never know the suspect's true intention.
His assertion was that Waukesha police were covering up the truth and for some reason attempting to shift the blame on other police.
He wrote:
Most likely an attempt to move the attention away from the suspect’s true motive, which will probably never be formally revealed unfortunately. It also seems like a weak attempt at creating a narrative that police were currently in pursuit of the suspect and should shoulder some of the responsibility for the tragedy.
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Is there a difference whether someone thought about it the previous week to mow people down with their vehicle and then carry it out or if they see people and decide to drive into them spur of the moment?
Fundamentally no. Legally there is a likely difference between first and second degree murder, but he will be in prison for the rest of his life regardless of the charge.
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It is a tragedy. Thoughts and prayers to all involved, all who have lost, all who have a long recovery in front of them and to their families and friends. It just plain sucks.
These really can't be prevented. Bad people do bad things. Drunk people do drunk things. Careless people do careless things. Angry people do angry things. Looking from the outside, a person with a long history of anti-social behavior made yet another in a long series of bad, hurtful choices. Lock him up. Melt the key.
Looking at it from a first responder perspective, the challenge now is what lessons can be learned and how can responses be improved? We (first responders) take it as a matter of faith that eventually the roulette wheel is going to land on you and your community. The mass shootings, school shootings, riots, drunks driving into crowds, guy off his meds taking revenge on all of his ex girlfriends and their families in one day (hand raised over here)..... eventually the bad finds you. How are you going to manage it? This is why I defend the police (and not defund).
Can it all be prevented? Never. But you definitely want people in your community who have game planned, table topped, practiced for it. And you want those people to be able to learn from their mistakes and the mistakes of others in order to perform their duties better when the alarms go off. So, if you want to do something productive, contact your first responders. Ask them about their preparations. And if you really want to go the extra mile, ask how you can help.
I grieve for the families and friends of the Waukesha victims. As should we all. But there will be another disaster/catastrophe next week/month.
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His assertion was that Waukesha police were covering up the truth and for some reason attempting to shift the blame on other police.
He wrote:
Most likely an attempt to move the attention away from the suspect’s true motive, which will probably never be formally revealed unfortunately. It also seems like a weak attempt at creating a narrative that police were currently in pursuit of the suspect and should shoulder some of the responsibility for the tragedy.
I don’t know how you conclude that from what I wrote. I even clarified in a separate post and apologized for causing a stir about it. That was like a day ago, so I’m not sure why it’s still being discussed. I haven’t read the posts in this thread since then.
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I don’t know how you conclude that from what I wrote. I even clarified in a separate post and apologized for causing a stir about it. That was like a day ago, so I’m not sure why it’s still being discussed. I haven’t read the posts in this thread since then.
Apologies if I misinterpreted your post, but it says what it says.
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It is a tragedy. Thoughts and prayers to all involved, all who have lost, all who have a long recovery in front of them and to their families and friends. It just plain sucks.
These really can't be prevented. Bad people do bad things. Drunk people do drunk things. Careless people do careless things. Angry people do angry things. Looking from the outside, a person with a long history of anti-social behavior made yet another in a long series of bad, hurtful choices. Lock him up. Melt the key.
Looking at it from a first responder perspective, the challenge now is what lessons can be learned and how can responses be improved? We (first responders) take it as a matter of faith that eventually the roulette wheel is going to land on you and your community. The mass shootings, school shootings, riots, drunks driving into crowds, guy off his meds taking revenge on all of his ex girlfriends and their families in one day (hand raised over here)..... eventually the bad finds you. How are you going to manage it? This is why I defend the police (and not defund).
Can it all be prevented? Never. But you definitely want people in your community who have game planned, table topped, practiced for it. And you want those people to be able to learn from their mistakes and the mistakes of others in order to perform their duties better when the alarms go off. So, if you want to do something productive, contact your first responders. Ask them about their preparations. And if you really want to go the extra mile, ask how you can help.
I grieve for the families and friends of the Waukesha victims. As should we all. But there will be another disaster/catastrophe next week/month.
The issue is not with the first responders. It is the DAs that let these folks back out on the street. From what I can tell only 4 people have been charged with arson during the Kenosha riots, none for causing the fires at the used car lots. If I am wrong about that please enlighten me.
Even high end retail outlets are now being robbed in broad daylight in San Francisco. How a larger police presence is going to prevent this is absurd if the DA won't prosecute thefts under 1K.
https://abc7news.com/sf-looting-union-square-crime-san-francisco-louis-vuitton-looted-robbed/11263563/
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The issue is not with the first responders. It is the DAs that let these folks back out on the street. From what I can tell only 4 people have been charged with arson during the Kenosha riots, none for causing the fires at the used car lots. If I am wrong about that please enlighten me.
Even high end retail outlets are now being robbed in broad daylight in San Francisco. How a larger police presence is going to prevent this is absurd if the DA won't prosecute thefts under 1K.
https://abc7news.com/sf-looting-union-square-crime-san-francisco-louis-vuitton-looted-robbed/11263563/
The DA is prosecuting thefts under 1K. Where do you get this?
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It is a tragedy. Thoughts and prayers to all involved, all who have lost, all who have a long recovery in front of them and to their families and friends. It just plain sucks.
These really can't be prevented. Bad people do bad things. Drunk people do drunk things. Careless people do careless things. Angry people do angry things. Looking from the outside, a person with a long history of anti-social behavior made yet another in a long series of bad, hurtful choices. Lock him up. Melt the key.
Looking at it from a first responder perspective, the challenge now is what lessons can be learned and how can responses be improved? We (first responders) take it as a matter of faith that eventually the roulette wheel is going to land on you and your community. The mass shootings, school shootings, riots, drunks driving into crowds, guy off his meds taking revenge on all of his ex girlfriends and their families in one day (hand raised over here)..... eventually the bad finds you. How are you going to manage it? This is why I defend the police (and not defund).
Can it all be prevented? Never. But you definitely want people in your community who have game planned, table topped, practiced for it. And you want those people to be able to learn from their mistakes and the mistakes of others in order to perform their duties better when the alarms go off. So, if you want to do something productive, contact your first responders. Ask them about their preparations. And if you really want to go the extra mile, ask how you can help.
I grieve for the families and friends of the Waukesha victims. As should we all. But there will be another disaster/catastrophe next week/month.
Chicago has Streets & Sanitation involved in all major events now. Having lived by Grant Park for a few years, they marshall the plows/garbage/salt trucks to block the streets for marathons & festivals where there are tons of people on the major streets.
It's hard to know what prevention measures are overkill and which aren't, but parking a truck in a new spot to block a road for a few hours seems like a small investment... Not that it would definitely stop someone in a small car that's determined, but it would make it hard for something like the 2016 Berlin attack to happen.
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I get that. Big, covers the end of a side street. This guy drove around barricades like the kind my city uses. I've seen that done by impatient dumb people with no ill intent.
There are laws offering protection for those who drive into protesters.
https://www.vox.com/2021/4/25/22367019/gop-laws-oklahoma-iowa-florida-floyd-blm-protests-police
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/22/us/oklahoma-law-drivers-protesters/index.html
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One more death:
https://www.tmj4.com/news/waukesha-christmas-parade/8-year-old-dies-from-injuries-suffered-in-waukesha-christmas-parade-tragedy
So sad.
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The DA is prosecuting thefts under 1K. Where do you get this?
Technically, they do. But under $950, it's only a misdemeanor and results in little to no prosecution or punishment.
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The DA is prosecuting thefts under 1K. Where do you get this?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10217037/Prolific-thief-41-stole-40k-items-Target-involving-120-incidents-one-year.html
The DA in San Francisco.
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Sadly, the death toll is going to rise. Ran across an acquaintance who lives in Waukesha and what he knows and told me was grim. Also, it won’t be just the deaths that this monster caused but life long injuries to young people that will change their entire life trajectory. I’m not an eye-for-an-eye person in general but I wouldn’t blink an eye if something terrible befalls this pile of trash
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Technically, they do. But under $950, it's only a misdemeanor and results in little to no prosecution or punishment.
Right. But the reason for that is due to a state court ruling that prison populations need to be reduced. So they have to draw it somewhere. That’s the same basic reason the dude in Waukesha was let out on bail.
Continuing to incarcerate people for minor offenses, and
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Technically, they do. But under $950, it's only a misdemeanor and results in little to no prosecution or punishment.
And numerous states of all political persuasions do the same. The dollar amount may change (e.g. $700, $750), but they follow the same system.
These types of arguments (from the original poster; I realize you are in agreement with me) are disconnected from reality and result from echo chambers pushing agendas.
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Lack of guards, rampant COVID.... some states are currently only putting people in prison who are convicted of a violent felony.
This guy is a bad guy. He will be in prison the rest of his life. And he should. It is easy in hindsight to say he should have been in jail. But there are a lot of conflicting issues in our legal system.
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I thought the Court Commissioner was outstanding. He was a class act and his family should be proud of how he handled this bail hearing. I was surprised when he said he had 40 years of experience, he looks too young to me. Kudo's to the Commish!!
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milw county DA john chisolm should be held partially responsible. he predicted back as far as 2007 that his progressive reforms would mean someone will get killed, "it's guaranteed" ?????
there's got to be something along the lines of judicial malpractice because this is plain and simple disregard for life. i thought he was supposed to be protecting society. what is this? some kind of experiment?
https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/11/23/da-john-chisholm/
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milw county DA john chisolm should be held partially responsible. he predicted back as far as 2007 that his progressive reforms would mean someone will get killed, "it's guaranteed" ?????
there's got to be something along the lines of judicial malpractice because this is plain and simple disregard for life. i thought he was supposed to be protecting society. what is this? some kind of experiment?
https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/11/23/da-john-chisholm/
What does diverting drug cases and other non violent offenders out of prison have to do with this case?
Legit questions should be asked about his lack of speedy trial and low bail. But out of context quotes are just politicized nonsense.
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Fluff
I think there are a fair amount of questions that can be asked about the Chisolm tenure, but this case should be stand alone.
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Fluff
I think there are a fair amount of questions that can be asked about the Chisolm tenure, but this case should be stand alone.
I guess. I don’t know enough to know. But that’s not what this topic is about.
Furthermore, legit inquiry doesn’t involve misleading quotes. The evidence should stand on its own.
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milw county DA john chisolm should be held partially responsible. he predicted back as far as 2007 that his progressive reforms would mean someone will get killed, "it's guaranteed" ?????
there's got to be something along the lines of judicial malpractice because this is plain and simple disregard for life. i thought he was supposed to be protecting society. what is this? some kind of experiment?
https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/11/23/da-john-chisholm/
Your brain is rotten.
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What does diverting drug cases and other non violent offenders out of prison have to do with this case?
Legit questions should be asked about his lack of speedy trial and low bail. But out of context quotes are just politicized nonsense.
so fluffer, you don't see the correlation? an ideology? a trend among other DA's around the country? nice compartmentalization. this after they basically ignore whether purposely or not a long violent rap sheet. if they missed it, he is incompetent. if he was following his ideology, he's corrupt as the day is long and needs to be held accountable.
if one of your family members or acquaintances were one of brook's victims, i'm sure you would feel differently
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so fluffer, you don't see the correlation? an ideology? a trend among other DA's around the country? nice compartmentalization. this after they basically ignore whether purposely or not a long violent rap sheet. if they missed it, he is incompetent. if he was following his ideology, he's corrupt as the day is long and needs to be held accountable.
if one of your family members or acquaintances were one of brook's victims, i'm sure you would feel differently
What does the article you posted have anything to do with this? The quote that you stated was specifically about a program that this guy wasn’t a part of. And your just parrot it like the mush brained simpleton you are.
Try having a rational discussion without having your mind lead by propaganda for once. Or just ingest ivermectin. Your choice.
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What does the article you posted have anything to do with this? The quote that you stated was specifically about a program that this guy wasn’t a part of. And your just parrot it like the mush brained simpleton you are.
Try having a rational discussion without having your mind lead by propaganda for once. Or just ingest ivermectin. Your choice.
i used the article as an example to show chisholm's ideology, not necessarily a footnote to "this". gotta love your deflection when you're beat down though. "mush brained" ivermetion, simpleton, were you trying to hurt my feelings. sorry to see you are having trouble drawing the correlation here or you're just a cold hearted office douche with little real world common sense.
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i used the article as an example to show chisholm's ideology, not necessarily a footnote to "this". gotta love your deflection when you're beat down though. "mush brained" ivermetion, simpleton, were you trying to hurt my feelings. sorry to see you are having trouble drawing the correlation here or you're just a cold hearted office douche with little real world common sense.
Yeah. You had no idea what you were doing and now just trying to save face. Again.
Leave the serious discussion to the adults ok?
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I thought the Court Commissioner was outstanding. He was a class act and his family should be proud of how he handled this bail hearing. I was surprised when he said he had 40 years of experience, he looks too young to me. Kudo's to the Commish!!
That was a bit of hyperbole. He’s been at it for 38 years. Truly a solid jurist.
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We cancelled our parade. Keeping the route safe was doable, but there were many other reasons to not go forward.
One unique issue was the non-zero possibility of "helpers" with AR-15s showing up to "protect" the parade route.
What a country.
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We cancelled our parade. Keeping the route safe was doable, but there were many other reasons to not go forward.
One unique issue was the non-zero possibility of "helpers" with AR-15s showing up to "protect" the parade route.
What a country.
This is one of the most inexplicable things that has emerged in the last couple years. Under no circumstances should any civilian be "protecting" an event in this manner.
The unraveling of the illusion of the state's monopoly on the just use of force is going to be the thing that has the most negative consequences in the years to come.
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Sir
38 years!?! Hard to believe.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/us/waukesha-car-parade-crowd-wednesday/index.html
"Officer Butryn observed the driver looking straight ahead, directly at him, and it appeared he had no emotion on his face," the complaint said.
The SUV passed Butryn, at which point he saw the vehicle increase in speed until it reached an intersection where it appeared to stop, the complaint said.
"The vehicle then appeared to rapidly accelerate, as Officer Butryn heard tires squeal," the complaint read. "At this point, it was clear to Officer Butryn that this was an intentional act to strike and hurt as many people as possible."
Butryn saw the vehicle driving in a zig-zag-like pattern, the complaint said, and saw "bodies and objects" flying.
"It was like the SUV was trying to avoid vehicles, not people. There was no attempt made by the vehicle to stop, much less slow down," one witness told an officer, according to the complaint.
After witnessing the SUV running over people, another officer identified in the complaint as Officer Scholten shot at and struck the vehicle three times as it sped away. Authorities do not believe any shots were fired from the vehicle, Waukesha Police Chief Dan Thompson said Sunday.
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We cancelled our parade. Keeping the route safe was doable, but there were many other reasons to not go forward.
One unique issue was the non-zero possibility of "helpers" with AR-15s showing up to "protect" the parade route.
What a country.
Fun has been canceled due to thugs winning and the pussification of America, hey?
#pathetic
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Fun has been canceled due to thugs winning and the pussification of America, hey?
#pathetic
Thanks, Boomers
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Fun has been canceled due to thugs winning and the pussification of America, hey?
#pathetic
Seriously—imagine how soft and scared you gotta be to show up to “protect” with a freakin’ AR. I’m with you.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/us/waukesha-car-parade-crowd-wednesday/index.html
"Officer Butryn observed the driver looking straight ahead, directly at him, and it appeared he had no emotion on his face," the complaint said.
The SUV passed Butryn, at which point he saw the vehicle increase in speed until it reached an intersection where it appeared to stop, the complaint said.
"The vehicle then appeared to rapidly accelerate, as Officer Butryn heard tires squeal," the complaint read. "At this point, it was clear to Officer Butryn that this was an intentional act to strike and hurt as many people as possible."
Butryn saw the vehicle driving in a zig-zag-like pattern, the complaint said, and saw "bodies and objects" flying.
"It was like the SUV was trying to avoid vehicles, not people. There was no attempt made by the vehicle to stop, much less slow down," one witness told an officer, according to the complaint.
After witnessing the SUV running over people, another officer identified in the complaint as Officer Scholten shot at and struck the vehicle three times as it sped away. Authorities do not believe any shots were fired from the vehicle, Waukesha Police Chief Dan Thompson said Sunday.
Honest question, is there video of him stopping and then accelerating in a zig zag pattern? That would be strong evidence if it exists. The only videos I have seen show him speeding along the side of the parade seemingly trying to avoid people until the parade takes over the whole street when he ran into the marching band. Either way, he's human garbage who needs to be removed from society until he leaves this world.
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Honest question, is there video of him stopping and then accelerating in a zig zag pattern? That would be strong evidence if it exists. The only videos I have seen show him speeding along the side of the parade seemingly trying to avoid people until the parade takes over the whole street when he ran into the marching band. Either way, he's human garbage who needs to be removed from society until he leaves this world.
Unless the bodies of the victims were all in a straight line, I think it’s reasonable to assume the driver zigzagged in some fashion during the course of the very intentional and possible terrorist attack.
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Unless the bodies of the victims were all in a straight line, I think it’s reasonable to assume the driver zigzagged in some fashion during the course of the very intentional and possible terrorist attack.
There are videos of the driver driving along the side of the road avoiding the people that were part of the parade. And there's video of him driving straight into the large group of people when there isn't enough room in the street to avoid the people in the parade. There's nothing showing he was zigging and zagging to mow down as many people as he could.
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Don't believe the cop that has to justify why he discharged his weapon on a crowded street without corroborating evidence, imo.
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Unless the bodies of the victims were all in a straight line, I think it’s reasonable to assume the driver zigzagged in some fashion during the course of the very intentional and possible terrorist attack.
Your assumption is that once contacted by the vehicle, the bodies never moved.
But you know, we have video of parts of the incident, so why leave it up to your assumptions?
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Your assumption is that once contacted by the vehicle, the bodies never moved.
But you know, we have video of parts of the incident, so why leave it up to your assumptions?
I was just saying that the official report made by the officer who was present during the attack seemed reasonable.
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Charlotte is still planning its Thanksgiving parade for tonight.
#nohairy wet catshere #realmen
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Don't believe the cop that has to justify why he discharged his weapon on a crowded street without corroborating evidence, imo.
Yep.
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Unless the bodies of the victims were all in a straight line, I think it’s reasonable to assume the driver zigzagged in some fashion during the course of the very intentional and possible terrorist attack.
I want to be clear, I am in no way suggesting this wasn't intentional. Whether it was weeks ago or moments before impact, this walking garbage made a decision to run over those people. He should be locked up until God comes for him. I was just asking if there has been any video released that supports the officer's testimony. I haven't seen anything that leads me to think that this was a terrorist attack but if what the officer is saying is true, that would likely change my thinking.
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I want to be clear, I am in no way suggesting this wasn't intentional. Whether it was weeks ago or moments before impact, this walking garbage made a decision to run over those people. He should be locked up until God comes for him. I was just asking if there has been any video released that supports the officer's testimony. I haven't seen anything that leads me to think that this was a terrorist attack but if what the officer is saying is true, that would likely change my thinking.
This seems reasonable.
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Reasonable to assume the Officer is telling the truth.
The official complaint lodged by Waukesha shows there were at least a few instances that Brooks could have turned off the parade route(and down another street) and chose not to. Barstow street I believe was one of them.
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I’m going to a parade tonight in DC area. But I ain’t bringing an AR like the wussy thugs that all these suburban boys have turned into, like Rittenhouse or the McMichaels guys or this Brooks fella. Just my masculine two fists if anyone tries to terrorist.
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Reasonable to assume the Officer is telling the truth.
If there was no video, maybe. But so far all the video released contradicts his statement. That at least gives me pause.
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Cops say there's no evidence this was a terrorist attack.
It can be intentional and not terrorism.
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It wasn't terrorism. Just another terrible choice in a lifetime of them.
Give him an unheated drafty cell in NW Wisconsin in the winter.
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If there was no video, maybe. But so far all the video released contradicts his statement. That at least gives me pause.
Video looks to confirm what they say. He was avoiding vehicles so he could keep moving through the parade. If he hits a vehicle it would stop him. He avoids a car then veers left into a bunch of people.
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It must be the holiday season if Jams has a new identity on Scoop.
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Terrorism pushes a narrative much better, though!
Unless we're talking about white supremacist terrorists; then it's just good clean fun by neo-Nazis, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and other "very fine people." Jews will not replace us, nu?
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Reasonable to assume the Officer is telling the truth.
The official complaint lodged by Waukesha shows there were at least a few instances that Brooks could have turned off the parade route(and down another street) and chose not to. Barstow street I believe was one of them.
They're as reliable as any other eye witness. Which is to say they aren't reliable.
Also, cops lie all the time.
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Video looks to confirm what they say. He was avoiding vehicles so he could keep moving through the parade. If he hits a vehicle it would stop him. He avoids a car then veers left into a bunch of people.
If you could link to a video of him coming to a full stop, then accelerating while driving in a zig zag pattern, I would appreciate it. I haven't seen that video.
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I’m bummed my town cancelled their parade, but I understand it. The odds of it happening again are remote, but I don’t know how easy it would be to add security on such short notice or change procedures. If something similar happened and additional precautions weren’t able to be put in place, I can’t imagine that would go well.
I didn’t even think about the Rittenhouse angle, but makes sense. Some of the Facebook posts I see go well beyond a kid using self-defense. Some view it as a guy heroically protecting property and taking people with criminal pasts off the streets.
All in all, it’s unfortunate we are in this position. However, I’m not going to criticize those who had to make a tough decision based on a lot of thought and discussion.
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Terrorism pushes a narrative much better, though!
Unless we're talking about white supremacist terrorists; then it's just good clean fun by neo-Nazis, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and other "very fine people." Jews will not replace us, nu?
Speaking of narrative, NBC is now calling this incident an accident.
Here’s the description from their YouTube video:
https://youtu.be/TjoI33r5IQ0
“Video captured by a Ring camera appears to show Darrell Edward Brooks in front of a home before being arrested in connection to the Waukesha parade accident.”
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Speaking of narrative, NBC is now calling this incident an accident.
Here’s the description from their YouTube video:
https://youtu.be/TjoI33r5IQ0
“Video captured by a Ring camera appears to show Darrell Edward Brooks in front of a home before being arrested in connection to the Waukesha parade accident.”
Now that's bullsh*t.
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It wasn't terrorism. Just another terrible choice in a lifetime of them.
Give him an unheated drafty cell in NW Wisconsin in the winter.
Maybe we should wait until all the facts come out? But this goes well beyond "a terrible choice" or "a lifetime of terrible choices". This is pure evil.
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Now that's bullsh*t.
More narrative spinning from Wikipedia. Redirecting to a page that calls it a “car crash”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2021_Waukesha_Christmas_parade_car_rampage&redirect=no
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And your just parrot it like the mush brained simpleton you are.
Try having a rational discussion without having your mind lead by propaganda for once. Or just ingest ivermectin. Your choice.
Yup. Gets forwarded something that makes him really angry and regurgitates it even though it has nothing to do with the situation.
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Maybe we should wait until all the facts come out? But this goes well beyond "a terrible choice" or "a lifetime of terrible choices". This is pure evil.
Agreed. Until then, calling it terrorism, with zero evidence to support that claim, and reporting narratives that disregard actual video evidence probably should be minimized.
The man is clearly evil, and deserves to spend the rest of his life rotting in a jail cell.
Can't believe no one posted the Family Guy (Mentally ill vs. Terrorist meme yet).
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I recall going to "downtown" Waukesha years ago. My memory is that it's not exactly off the 94 ramp and somewhat confusing to find. Perhaps things have changed in 15 yrs but I don't see how it's conceivable to stumble upon "downtown" Waukesha unless you're going there.
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Speaking of narrative, NBC is now calling this incident an accident.
Here’s the description from their YouTube video:
https://youtu.be/TjoI33r5IQ0
“Video captured by a Ring camera appears to show Darrell Edward Brooks in front of a home before being arrested in connection to the Waukesha parade accident.”
That's stupid.
See how easy it is to shoot down a stupid narrative instead of just accepting it -- or even glorifying it (as in Tucker & Co. with KR-47) -- based on political leanings?
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IBTL
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More narrative spinning from Wikipedia. Redirecting to a page that calls it a “car crash”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2021_Waukesha_Christmas_parade_car_rampage&redirect=no
CountryRoads, with all due respect, it seems like you've committed to this tragedy slotting into a framework somewhere within the larger social/political conflict endemic in the nation today. As with all things in the world, if you want to find conclusion X badly enough, when you look at a set of events you will absolutely find evidence for conclusion X. You've reflexively brought up "the narrative" multiple times and that suggests to me that you view this tragedy as a piece of evidence confirming your view of that larger social/political conflict, or at least believe this is relevant to it.
At some point the facts and evidence and investigation may well show that Brooks' heart and motives align with whatever it is you believe his heart and motives were such that it *does* slot into the larger social/political conflict. They may show that he was a deeply troubled man who made catastrophic choices (and spent a lifetime making catastrophic choices) and that this tragedy is merely the consequence of his profound failures as a person.
I'm not quite sure what good it does to obsess over wikipedia articles or the wording used in an NBC report.
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That's stupid.
See how easy it is to shoot down a stupid narrative instead of just accepting it -- or even glorifying it (as in Tucker & Co. with KR-47) -- based on political leanings?
you're right. MSNBC and CNN would never refer to something as "terrorism" or explicitly claim a political motive without any proof. Like "racism," "fascism," and "nazi," that term has been watered down so much by hyper-partisans it means nothing anymore.
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Agreed. Until then, calling it terrorism, with zero evidence to support that claim, and reporting narratives that disregard actual video evidence probably should be minimized.
The man is clearly evil, and deserves to spend the rest of his life rotting in a jail cell.
Can't believe no one posted the Family Guy (Mentally ill vs. Terrorist meme yet).
Ya.. I don't really think it matters a whole lot one way or the other unless this was actually planned well in advance. I believe authorities determined the Nice incident was terrorism but I'm not sure it led to further arrests. But for all the media outlets it does matter every time they can spin something, even horrific tragedies. Whether it be to emphasize their particular narrative or to deceive people to protect their narrative.
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It’s Scooptown, Jake
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Terrorism has a specific definition that involves harm for political ends. Until there is evidence of that, it’s not terrorism.
Which doesn’t exclude it being an intentional act. He was clearly already enraged, if he engaged in a domestic violence act beforehand.
After the Rittenhouse verdict came in, all sorts of people said one needs to wait to see what the facts are before jumping to conclusions; the same applies here.
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More narrative spinning from Wikipedia. Redirecting to a page that calls it a “car crash”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2021_Waukesha_Christmas_parade_car_rampage&redirect=no
You do realize that Wikipedia is crowd-sourced and that you can go right in and change it if you want.
I guess I don't understand this idea that we are going to get all outraged about how certain media outlets and websites are describing the incident, versus just being outraged about the incident.
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jficke
As I noted earlier, our family have strong connections to someone injured and a relative lost a friend last Sunday. The wording does mean something to me and it should be reported correctly. I do not think anyone believes this was a car crash. I find that reporting to be insulting.
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Imagine being worked up over Wikipedia.
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jficke
As I noted earlier, our family have strong connections to someone injured and a relative lost a friend last Sunday. The wording does mean something to me and it should be reported correctly. I do not think anyone believes this was a car crash. I find that reporting to be insulting.
I agree with you. It's not like I'm not connected to the tragedy in several ways as well. I want there to be accuracy and precision in the way it's covered. I can want that while, also thinking that fixating on poor reporting and using it as evidence of some nefarious *scare quotes* media *scare quotes* agenda is silly.
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jficke
As I noted earlier, our family have strong connections to someone injured and a relative lost a friend last Sunday. The wording does mean something to me and it should be reported correctly. I do not think anyone believes this was a car crash. I find that reporting to be insulting.
Agreed. It was an intentional act. "Crash" implies it was accidental, which is an affront to those involved directly or indirectly. I'm not sure why some media outlets or people have an issue with calling it what it is. This murderous act isn't necessarily political (we don't have all the facts yet as they pertain to the motive), so who make it political?
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Scoop
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And yet if his objective was to hurt people in the parade, he was behind everyone... he could easily have made this a lot lot worse. Whatever his goal "monstrous idiot fleeing crime scene" seems more likely than "targeted xmas parade for terror attack" at least based on what I know at this point.
Fwiw, this was the post I took exception with. I thought it was complete speculation and insensitive at the time, especially when other scoopers had people directly involved. I made no comments before that other than wishing for the best for those involved.
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Terrorism has a specific definition that involves harm for political ends. Until there is evidence of that, it’s not terrorism.
Which doesn’t exclude it being an intentional act. He was clearly already enraged, if he engaged in a domestic violence act beforehand.
After the Rittenhouse verdict came in, all sorts of people said one needs to wait to see what the facts are before jumping to conclusions; the same applies here.
I don't disagree with you that intentional acts of harm/murder for ideological/political purposes is defined as terrorism. But you can be inspired ideologically and plan an attack for some time. or wake up one day and commit a horrific act and say you did it for a specific cause. "Lone-Wolf" acts and how one defines them I feel fall into a different category. All of them are evil, scumsucking, pieces of excrement.
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Fwiw, this was the post I took exception with. I thought it was complete speculation and insensitive at the time, especially when other scoopers had people directly involved. I made no comments before that other than wishing for the best for those involved.
And yet, that's one I'll stand by. There were videos of him hitting marching band members who were on the edge of the formation. If his goal was to cause as much harm to as many parade-marchers as possible, he absolutely could have made it worse.
Obviously I was speculating as to his state of mind, because in the context of that conversation at the time that was exactly what the conversation was doing.
Saying he could have made it worse in no way minimizes what he did do, which was awful.
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More narrative spinning from Wikipedia. Redirecting to a page that calls it a “car crash”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2021_Waukesha_Christmas_parade_car_rampage&redirect=no
Okay, I'm with you on NBC. This is wikipedia. For a short time, Tyler Kolek was the Governor of West Virginia and Lewis was his deputy Governor according to Wikipedia.
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More narrative spinning from Wikipedia. Redirecting to a page that calls it a “car crash”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2021_Waukesha_Christmas_parade_car_rampage&redirect=no
This is my favorite post of the year.
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CountryRoads, you seem like a reasonable dude but I'm concerned that a few of the points you're making are also being made by the Q Believers on the internet around this being the first attack of the new civil war. I hope you're not falling down that rabbit hole.
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Agreed. It was an intentional act. "Crash" implies it was accidental, which is an affront to those involved directly or indirectly. I'm not sure why some media outlets or people have an issue with calling it what it is. This murderous act isn't necessarily political (we don't have all the facts yet as they pertain to the motive), so who make it political?
How does "crash" imply it was accidental? Two planes crashed into the World Trade Towers on 9/11. That's certainly not implying those were accidental.
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If it's a lone wolf "accident", why did topper have to cancel his town's parade?
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If it's a lone wolf "accident", why did topper have to cancel his town's parade?
Because of grief, right? I suppose that was my assumption
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If it's a lone wolf "accident", why did topper have to cancel his town's parade?
Because of the pending civil war. I heard Fort Sumter has been occupied but that was from PATRIOT69420 on Twitter
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How does "crash" imply it was accidental? Two planes crashed into the World Trade Towers on 9/11. That's certainly not implying those were accidental.
I think crash/crashed as a verb has a bit of a different weight than crash as a noun. United 93 isn’t talked about as a “plane crash” like other accidental plane crashes are
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How does "crash" imply it was accidental? Two planes crashed into the World Trade Towers on 9/11. That's certainly not implying those were accidental.
NBC did call it a car accident, not a car crash.
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How does "crash" imply it was accidental? Two planes crashed into the World Trade Towers on 9/11. That's certainly not implying those were accidental.
I think saying two planes crashed into the Towers does imply accidental and it's a misstatement of fact. The planes were flown into the towers, just as the car was driven into the parade goers.
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I think saying two planes crashed into the Towers does imply accidental and it's a misstatement of fact. The planes were flown into the towers, just as the car was driven into the parade goers.
I guess this is getting away from the point and into semantics, but they were both flown and crashed into the towers. Just like when there is an actual car accident, it's usually someone driving into something. "I drove into the 20 car pileup."
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CountryRoads, you seem like a reasonable dude but I'm concerned that a few of the points you're making are also being made by the Q Believers on the internet around this being the first attack of the new civil war. I hope you're not falling down that rabbit hole.
Any information or coverage about this tragedy that goes beyond "a guy who just made a terrible choice" is obviously going to be from a more right wing source. I was deliberate to not include an MSNBC video where the anchor verbally said the same thing that it was an accident, because it was sited only by sources that I don't consider appropriate to reference on here. Even though the video is directly from MSNBC, posters on here would dismiss it anyway depending on where it came from. That's perfectly fine.
The Wikipedia example can be laughed at (and Tyler Kolek should be the governor of WV), but it's a site that has 13.5 billion views a month and it still reads as "car crash". It can't just be simply changed back.
Again, go back and read the thread if you desire, but I only took exception to this after a poster made a rather brash and premature statement about the incident. One that coincidentally aligned with what the opposite of "Q Believers" (whatever they are called) were saying. Especially considering there were people on this board who knew people affected, I was hoping this discussion would just be for thoughts and prayers for them. That quickly turned out not to be the case.
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Any information or coverage about this tragedy that goes beyond "a guy who just made a terrible choice" is obviously going to be from a more right wing source. I was deliberate to not include an MSNBC video where the anchor verbally said the same thing that it was an accident, because it was sited only by sources that I don't consider appropriate to reference on here. Even though the video is directly from MSNBC, posters on here would dismiss it anyway depending on where it came from. That's perfectly fine.
The Wikipedia example can be laughed at (and Tyler Kolek should be the governor of WV), but it's a site that has 13.5 billion views a month and it still reads as "car crash". It can't just be simply changed back.
Again, go back and read the thread if you desire, but I only took exception to this after a poster made a rather brash and premature statement about the incident. One that coincidentally aligned with what the opposite of "Q Believers" (whatever they are called) were saying. Especially considering there were people on this board who knew people affected, I was hoping this discussion would just be for thoughts and prayers for them. That quickly turned out not to be the case.
Show your work, please.
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you're right. MSNBC and CNN would never refer to something as "terrorism" or explicitly claim a political motive without any proof. Like "racism," "fascism," and "nazi," that term has been watered down so much by hyper-partisans it means nothing anymore.
And Fox News and AON call everybody who disagrees with Trumpism a lib (or worse), and they've led cheers while their own party canceled Liz Cheney, one of the most conservative people in Congress. And speaking of watering down a word ... how about "socialist"? That apparently is everybody and everything that isn't alt-right. And of course the Jan. 6 felons are noble freedom-fighters. We can have fun with this stuff all day long, BH.
Again, calling this a car crash or accident is stupid. I said it. You're the one who wants to politicize this tragedy. It is OK if I call it a tragedy, right?
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Show your work, please.
Only since you asked:
https://twitter.com/rpetty/status/1463537537423654912?s=21
I specifically grabbed this from an account I don’t recognize. I’m ignorant to any other content that account posts, but there is the video you requested (found a short one for ya, 12 seconds long)
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Only since you asked:
https://twitter.com/rpetty/status/1463537537423654912?s=21
I specifically grabbed this from an account I don’t recognize. I’m ignorant to any other content that account posts, but there is the video you requested (found a short one for ya, 12 seconds long)
No, you're misunderstanding. You claimed that "Posters here would dismiss it anyway". That is what I'm looking for.
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No, you're misunderstanding. You claimed that "Posters here would dismiss it anyway". That is what I'm looking for.
Apologize in advance to everyone else for hogging the digital real estate in this thread, but here's one example that actually involved you (I don't care or have time to find others):
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Re: Rittenhouse Volume 2
« Reply #184 on: November 11, 2021, 03:42:23 PM »
Quote from: pacearrow02 on November 11, 2021, 02:46:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458890557053448203
It did. Defense objected, Binger said he was trying to prove bias and some other stuff. Judge had to go to a recess, sent jury out of the court room etc
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Get off twitter, you're following intellectually dishonest people.
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The poster you were replying to linked an actual video from the Rittenhouse trial and your immediate response was just to attack the source, completely ignoring the content of that post even though it was just footage from the testimony. That good enough for you?
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Jack Posobiec has proven himself to be a bad faith actor more times than anyone can count.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Posobiec has loudly, proudly, unrepentantly done so for years. There is nothing of value to glean from following him.
And, on the off chance that he accidently said something truthful, then the same observation could be had from a not-poisoned source. For example, if he said "water is wet" that would, of course be true. However, there would also be no reason to cite Posobiec for such a proposition because someone else would be available who does not carry such a reputation for gleeful dishonesty.
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Apologize in advance to everyone else for hogging the digital real estate in this thread, but here's one example that actually involved you (I don't care or have time to find others):
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Re: Rittenhouse Volume 2
« Reply #184 on: November 11, 2021, 03:42:23 PM »
Quote from: pacearrow02 on November 11, 2021, 02:46:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458890557053448203
It did. Defense objected, Binger said he was trying to prove bias and some other stuff. Judge had to go to a recess, sent jury out of the court room etc
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Get off twitter, you're following intellectually dishonest people.
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The poster you were replying to linked an actual video from the Rittenhouse trial and your immediate response was just to attack the source, completely ignoring the content of that post even though it was just footage from the testimony. That good enough for you?
LOL
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Jack Posobiec has proven himself to be a bad faith actor more times than anyone can count.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Posobiec has loudly, proudly, unrepentantly done so for years. There is nothing of value to glean from following him.
And, on the off chance that he accidently said something truthful, then the same observation could be had from a not-poisoned source. For example, if he said "water is wet" that would, of course be true. However, there would also be no reason to cite Posobiec for such a proposition because someone else would be available who does not carry such a reputation for gleeful dishonesty.
The original poster could have used a different source for that video, I agree. None of what you said is relevant to this thread.
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Jack Posobiec has proven himself to be a bad faith actor more times than anyone can count.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Posobiec has loudly, proudly, unrepentantly done so for years. There is nothing of value to glean from following him.
And, on the off chance that he accidently said something truthful, then the same observation could be had from a not-poisoned source. For example, if he said "water is wet" that would, of course be true. However, there would also be no reason to cite Posobiec for such a proposition because someone else would be available who does not carry such a reputation for gleeful dishonesty.
Is water wet? Or does water cause wetness?
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I’m going to a parade tonight in DC area. But I ain’t bringing an AR like the wussy thugs that all these suburban boys have turned into, like Rittenhouse or the McMichaels guys or this Brooks fella. Just my masculine two fists if anyone tries to terrorist.
or like these 2, eyn'a?
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or like these 2, eyn'a?
Look at that scope. He tryin'a shoot da man in da moon?
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or like these 2, eyn'a?
How fast would you call the cops if you saw that?
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How fast would you call the cops if you saw that?
They're black. Even the most ardent gun lovers can't handle black guys having guns. Not a surprise who posted this.
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Jockey
I support any responsible, sane person to be able to carry a gun. It makes zero difference to me what race the person is as long they are responsible people. I live by a simple rule, responsible, sane people have the right to do anything within the laws of local, state or federal government.
I would add, I am far more worried/concerned about the reckless driving in the city of MKE than I am guns. On my way to work this morning there was a beat up car, with no plates that caused great concern to me and every one in his path. Over the past few months I have had several near misses with extremely, extremely dangerous drivers.
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Jockey
I support any responsible, sane person to be able to carry a gun. It makes zero difference to me what race the person is as long they are responsible people. I live by a simple rule, responsible, sane people have the right to do anything within the laws of local, state or federal government.
I would add, I am far more worried/concerned about the reckless driving in the city of MKE than I am guns. On my way to work this morning there was a beat up car, with no plates that caused great concern to me and every one in his path. Over the past few months I have had several near misses with extremely, extremely dangerous drivers.
It's also rampant here in Madison.
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Hards
There is not week that goes by that I do not send out a group text to my family to remind them to be extra careful. I have trained myself to slow down at every intersection, even with a green light.
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Jockey
I support any responsible, sane person to be able to carry a gun. It makes zero difference to me what race the person is as long they are responsible people. I live by a simple rule, responsible, sane people have the right to do anything within the laws of local, state or federal government.
I would add, I am far more worried/concerned about the reckless driving in the city of MKE than I am guns. On my way to work this morning there was a beat up car, with no plates that caused great concern to me and every one in his path. Over the past few months I have had several near misses with extremely, extremely dangerous drivers.
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preach on. The reckless driving in Milwaukee is awful. The passing in bus lanes and using right turn lanes to rip through an instersection is incredible
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Rico
You noted the good driving habits. I work downtown and used to take city streets about 25% of the time and stopped entirely about six months ago. The reckless drivers are far more of threat to my safety than any one carrying a gun, legally or not.
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NBC did call it a car accident, not a car crash.
The phrasing car accident technically applies to any incident involving a car crashing into a person/structure/car. The phrase "accident" in reference to a car, can be intentional or unintentional.
NBC wasn't trying to spin any narrative, and personally I think that was quite obvious. I'm sure they were trying to choose the most generic term possible for the incident until all/more facts are out. You'll see the language change to "attack" over the coming hours/days.
That doesn't absolve them of fault in poor word choice. The term "accident" in general invokes the idea of it being unintentional in most people. If there were going for generic until more info comes out, "incident" or "tragedy" would have been a far far better choice, and more respectful of those who have loved ones affected by this horrific crime.
Calling that an agenda or pushing a narrative though is absurd. Normal people wouldn't jump to that conclusion, but those following a certain news channel/site, which jumped all over this calling it media bias and crafting a narrative, will echo whatever they are told.
Why don't we focus on the important part for now and pray for all those who were affected by this horrific crime.
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or like these 2, eyn'a?
OH NO! BLACK PEOPLE WITH GUNS!!!!!
Whities who get woodies at the mere thought of the 2nd Amendment tend to be a little less turned on when "others" have guns.
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The phrasing car accident technically applies to any incident involving a car crashing into a person/structure/car. The phrase "accident" in reference to a car, can be intentional or unintentional.
Says who?
I have read stories about programs for people who caused fatalities while driving under the influence. They aren't allowed to use the word "accident" when discussing their incident, because it connotes that they didn't do anything wrong. They can say "crash" or "collision".
Calling it an accident when iit was the result of a selfish or evil decision is just wrong.
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Calling this an accident or crash is just plain stupid.
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Says who?
I have read stories about programs for people who caused fatalities while driving under the influence. They aren't allowed to use the word "accident" when discussing their incident, because it connotes that they didn't do anything wrong. They can say "crash" or "collision".
Calling it an accident when iit was the result of a selfish or evil decision is just wrong.
There is a difference between a "legal definition" and common definitions. Programs regarding people who killed someone during a DUI are designed to make them take ownership. Accident takes away from that ownership.
But the legal definition would still refer to that as a car accident. You are free to check the internet for legal definitions of "car accident," you'll find that it is a more general phrase, than how many will view it.
Calling this an accident or crash is just plain stupid.
Agreed. Still doesn't mean there was some narrative or agenda, rather just stupidity in word choice.
Not defending the word choice at all. Just attacking the idea of it being part of some agenda and narrative shift.
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Agreed. Still doesn't mean there was some narrative or agenda, rather just stupidity in word choice.
Not defending the word choice at all. Just attacking the idea of it being part of some agenda and narrative shift.
Fair.
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OH NO! BLACK PEOPLE WITH GUNS!!!!!
Whities who get woodies at the mere thought of the 2nd Amendment tend to be a little less turned on when "others" have guns.
See: California gun reform vs black panthers
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Says who?
I have read stories about programs for people who caused fatalities while driving under the influence. They aren't allowed to use the word "accident" when discussing their incident, because it connotes that they didn't do anything wrong. They can say "crash" or "collision".
Calling it an accident when iit was the result of a selfish or evil decision is just wrong.
This applies to a person who has been involved with a personal injury caused by a negligent driver as well. To call it an accident connotes an impression that a plaintiff doesn't want to give so the plaintiff should avoid using the word accident and call it an incident as well.
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The editor of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel saw fit to dump the story already from the front page of the paper this morning even though another person died (a child) and the perp made his first court appearance yesterday.
And there was no front page pick of the guy, either. The pic that was inside was literally the size of a quarter. To deny there was a clear agenda because of who the perp was is insane.
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Dis ass hole's insurance company is gonna have hell ta pay four his reckless drivin'. Probably haveta double his rates at da next renewal, hey?
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OH NO! BLACK PEOPLE WITH GUNS!!!!!
Whities who get woodies at the mere thought of the 2nd Amendment tend to be a little less turned on when "others" have guns.
Kinda like lefties and baby killing eyna?
I was merely pointing out that the 2nd amendment, with the exception of the pols, can be a bipartisan issue. There are many inner city folk who, believe it or not, legally carry I know this may be a little difficult for you to understand 82, but life in the big cities is a rain forest man. And all this defunding the police stuff is leaving them fend for themselves can’t no one wait an hour or more for help when you and/or your family is in immediate harms way.
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Kinda like lefties and baby killing eyna?
I was merely pointing out that the 2nd amendment, with the exception of the pols, can be a bipartisan issue. There are many inner city folk who, believe it or not, legally carry I know this may be a little difficult for you to understand 82, but life in the big cities is a rain forest man. And all this defunding the police stuff is leaving them fend for themselves can’t no one wait an hour or more for help when you and/or your family is in immediate harms way.
😂
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Kinda like lefties and baby killing eyna?
I was merely pointing out that the 2nd amendment, with the exception of the pols, can be a bipartisan issue. There are many inner city folk who, believe it or not, legally carry I know this may be a little difficult for you to understand 82, but life in the big cities is a rain forest man. And all this defunding the police stuff is leaving them fend for themselves can’t no one wait an hour or more for help when you and/or your family is in immediate harms way.
The first line is stoopid and has nothing to do with the subject ... although I do know from all the COVID-19 threads that you firmly believe that all people, women and men, have total choice over what to do with their own bodies.
The rest is just roQQ3et blather and AON talking points. Nobody defunded the police.
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CountryRoads, you seem like a reasonable dude but I'm concerned that a few of the points you're making are also being made by the Q Believers on the internet around this being the first attack of the new civil war. I hope you're not falling down that rabbit hole.
Are you currently in that rabbit hole?? Genuinely curious as to why you pay so close attention to the Q stuff?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1463686399123730443
This is some headline. Wondering what the SUV will be charged with?
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Are you currently in that rabbit hole?? Genuinely curious as to why you pay so close attention to the Q stuff?
It's literally in the replies to the crappy alt right Twitter links you post
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It's literally in the replies to the crappy alt right Twitter links you post
🤷♂️ I don’t read comments, surprise you would scroll through comments of alt right Twitter posts. Unless……🤔 Are you Q Skat??
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Kinda like lefties and baby killing eyna?
I was merely pointing out that the 2nd amendment, with the exception of the pols, can be a bipartisan issue. There are many inner city folk who, believe it or not, legally carry I know this may be a little difficult for you to understand 82, but life in the big cities is a rain forest man. And all this defunding the police stuff is leaving them fend for themselves can’t no one wait an hour or more for help when you and/or your family is in immediate harms way.
rocket "I'm from the big city" surgeon
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rocket "I'm from the big city" surgeon
Black people in the big cities (and small towns) love that when they mention BLM, the immediate response is ALM. They love it and don't think it's racist at all! roQQet should try it out.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1463686399123730443
This is some headline. Wondering what the SUV will be charged with?
People don’t kill. SUVs do.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1463686399123730443
This is some headline. Wondering what the SUV will be charged with?
Wow. Headline makes it seem like a driverless SUV malfunctioned.
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I want to be clear, I am in no way suggesting this wasn't intentional. Whether it was weeks ago or moments before impact, this walking garbage made a decision to run over those people. He should be locked up until God comes for him. I was just asking if there has been any video released that supports the officer's testimony. I haven't seen anything that leads me to think that this was a terrorist attack but if what the officer is saying is true, that would likely change my thinking.
I don't think I've seen any footage of the dancing grannies getting hit, so we don't have full video of the attack. But with that many witnesses, why would they lie on the complaint?
The suspect had previously posted on social media that he wanted to knock out a bunch of old white people. Maybe the dancing grannies were the target the whole time? It has also come out that the guy had previous conviction for threatening to blow up a las vegas casino.
I really don't think this was a spur of the moment decision. It seems far more likely to me that the Rittenhouse verdict caused this guy to finally snap and try to fulfill his wish of knocking out a bunch of old white people.
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I don't think I've seen any footage of the dancing grannies getting hit, so we don't have full video of the attack. But with that many witnesses, why would they lie on the complaint?
The suspect had previously posted on social media that he wanted to knock out a bunch of old white people. Maybe the dancing grannies were the target the whole time? It has also come out that the guy had previous conviction for threatening to blow up a las vegas casino.
I really don't think this was a spur of the moment decision. It seems far more likely to me that the Rittenhouse verdict caused this guy to finally snap and try to fulfill his wish of knocking out a bunch of old white people.
I guess we will see. I mean if his goal was to make that sort of statement, wouldn’t of he said something? Not much use in terrorizing if you don’t back up what you do with saying why you did it.
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I guess we will see. I mean if his goal was to make that sort of statement, wouldn’t of he said something? Not much use in terrorizing if you don’t back up what you do with saying why you did it.
He probably wasn't anticipating the media treating it like an accident. Or possibly he did it for his own pleasure rather than some broad political statement.
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Dude hated white people. 'uck 'im fay, hey?
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Question:
If a white guy who was all over social media attacking black people, the BLM movement and the guilty verdict for the three murderers in Georgia drove an SUV into a parade in a black community and killed a bunch of black people would anyone on Scoop or in the general population need an admission from the killer to believe that race was a motive?
I know I wouldn’t.
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It looks like race was a motive. That makes a heinous crime even more heinous.
It was not an "accident" or a "crash." It was an evil, hate-filled act of extreme violence.
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Question:
If a white guy who was all over social media attacking black people, the BLM movement and the guilty verdict for the three murderers in Georgia drove an SUV into a parade in a black community and killed a bunch of black people would anyone on Scoop or in the general population need an admission from the killer to believe that race was a motive?
I know I wouldn’t.
Absent any other information sure that would be a reasonable conclusion.
But in this case, he was in Waukesha presumably for another reason. The police were called to where he was and he was leaving the area. So if his goal was to kill as many white people as possible, it certainly would have been a last minute choice because it certainly didn't seem to be his primary motive for going there. Furthermore he certainly missed a lot of white people when he was driving through the parade too.
So I am left with an "I don't really know."
And, most importantly, "not that it really matters."
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nm. not worth it. happy thanksgiving to all.
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or like these 2, eyn'a?
And your befuddled brain can't figure out how people could possibly call you a racist.
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Looks like George Stanley has decided the Waukesha attack is no longer news.
It's completely gone from the Journal Sentinel.
This is media bias in action in real time.
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Looks like George Stanley has decided the Waukesha attack is no longer news.
It's completely gone from the Journal Sentinel.
This is media bias in action in real time.
Tweets in the last 24 hours from the MJS linking to stories.
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463887721018052613?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463883946660352001?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463876409693282305?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463690672981041154?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463684381839708161?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463680352883548163?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463646380195565572?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463623730588966914?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463612405871697921?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463607123393355788?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463594536886751237?s=21
This is NoLonger’s illiteracy is real time.
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Question:
If a white guy who was all over social media attacking black people, the BLM movement and the guilty verdict for the three murderers in Georgia drove an SUV into a parade in a black community and killed a bunch of black people would anyone on Scoop or in the general population need an admission from the killer to believe that race was a motive?
I know I wouldn’t.
You mean like, let's say, a white 17 year old complaining about looters and rioters, and how he wish he had an AR-15 so he could shoot them, then going out and getting an AR-15, going to a protest/riot and shooting them.
Or how about a white person running over protestors with his car at a white nationalist rally. I'm sure no one would defend that, or say it wasn't race motivated...Both Sides.
I agree, no one on scoop or the general population would need an admission to find the white kid responsible, or race being a motive.
The Waukesha killer is evil. Let him rot in prison. No reason to create agendas around this, especially ones not supported by evidence/history.
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You mean like, let's say, a white 17 year old complaining about looters and rioters, and how he wish he had an AR-15 so he could shoot them, then going out and getting an AR-15, going to a protest/riot and shooting them.
Or how about a white person running over protestors with his car at a white nationalist rally. I'm sure no one would defend that, or say it wasn't race motivated...Both Sides.
I agree, no one on scoop or the general population would need an admission to find the white kid responsible, or race being a motive.
The Waukesha killer is evil. Let him rot in prison. No reason to create agendas around this, especially ones not supported by evidence/history.
Very fine people on both sides.
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Tweets in the last 24 hours from the MJS linking to stories.
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463887721018052613?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463883946660352001?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463876409693282305?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463690672981041154?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463684381839708161?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463680352883548163?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463646380195565572?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463623730588966914?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463612405871697921?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463607123393355788?s=21
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1463594536886751237?s=21
This is NoLonger’s illiteracy is real time.
You didn't look in the actual hard copy paper, did you?
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You didn't look in the actual hard copy paper, did you?
No. Because I’m not over the age of 70.
But the idea that the MJS is ignoring the story is completely laughable. Gimme a break.
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Yeah. Type in jsonline.com and it’s literally the only thing you see without scrolling (in the mobile version, anyway). 3 articles on it.
What narrative is “the media” trying to push here, anyway?
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Yeah. Type in jsonline.com and it’s literally the only thing you see without scrolling (in the mobile version, anyway). 3 articles on it.
What narrative is “the media” trying to push here, anyway?
It's a local story, of course they are covering it extensively. There are many outlets not covering it in the same way though.
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It's a local story, of course they are covering it extensively. There are many outlets not covering it in the same way though.
Stories like this are covered a few days by the National outlets and then they move on. They’ll be back when there is a trial or he pleads.
Really lacking perspective if people think “the media” is pushing an agenda here.
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Stories like this are covered a few days by the National outlets and then they move on. They’ll be back when there is a trial or he pleads.
Really lacking perspective if people think “the media” is pushing an agenda here.
Of course, news cycles are short. But when you gloss over a hideous killing of 6 people and running over 40 plus people in a christmas parade by calling it an "accident" or "car crash" or saying an SUV ran them over, that is disgusting. Maybe not pushing an agenda, but not painting an accurate picture of of the horrific nature of the crime or criminal either. This was multiple large news outlets, not isolated reporting.
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Of course, news cycles are short. But when you gloss over a hideous killing of 6 people and running over 40 plus people in a christmas parade by calling it an "accident" or "car crash" or saying an SUV ran them over, that is disgusting. Maybe not pushing an agenda, but not painting an accurate picture of of the horrific nature of the crime or criminal either. This was multiple large news outlets, not isolated reporting.
I guess people will find outrage when they want to be outraged.
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I guess people will find outrage when they want to be outraged.
I'm guessing you would feel differently if it was your friend or kid who was killed or severely injured.
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I'm guessing you would feel differently if it was your friend or kid who was killed or severely injured.
I hope not. Just misplaced anger.
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I hope not. Just misplaced anger.
The problem I have with this type of reporting is it desensitizes the horrific nature of the crime. Politics or race shouldn't play into it. It's a big deal, and affected many lives in a terrible way. It should be reported as such not rationalized.
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Of course, news cycles are short. But when you gloss over a hideous killing of 6 people and running over 40 plus people in a christmas parade by calling it an "accident" or "car crash" or saying an SUV ran them over, that is disgusting. Maybe not pushing an agenda, but not painting an accurate picture of of the horrific nature of the crime or criminal either. This was multiple large news outlets, not isolated reporting.
New word being used by legacy media: “incident.”
Of course, the race hustlers like Kendi, Reid, and NHJ are amazingly silent on this tragedy and atrocity.
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It's a local story, of course they are covering it extensively. There are many outlets not covering it in the same way though.
Nolongerwarriors has claimed the Journal Sentinel isn’t reporting on it and is ignoring it. They aren’t at all. Their website is covering it extensively.
And I’m at my parents’ for Thanksgiving and looked at their hard copy of today’s Journal Sentinel. It is very clearly just a Thanksgiving issue. In fact, it says in big font at the top, “The Big Thanksgiving Issue.” It also clearly says right on the front page that it was printed early for the holidays. So anything they were going to print on it would’ve been day old news.
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The problem I have with this type of reporting is it desensitizes the horrific nature of the crime. Politics or race shouldn't play into it. It's a big deal, and affected many lives in a terrible way. It should be reported as such not rationalized.
It is being reported as such. You are reading too much into it.
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It is being reported as such. You are reading too much into it.
When certain people get diarrhea, they blame the media. Many people are stupid.
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I love how many people woke up this morning and though to themselves, "How can I politically weaponize this".
And how many people around here bit hard on that bait.
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hairy
Fluff has become the scoop tough guy and getting a straight answer is not going to happen. The Waukesha tragedy was horrible event and only an idiot could argue that. The whole thing makes me sad and debating it on here has made things worse for me.
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Two thoughts...
The use of the word accident is incorrect, but paid professionals refer to pretty much any car collision as "accidents" all the time. I have written a ton of reports on car collisions and it was only through deliberate and thoughtful action that I broke myself of that habit. I did so because the use of accident automatically implies a motive that I couldn't possibly know. Now one of my duties is reviewing reports of hundreds of professionals that write reports at such incidents and the word accident is pretty much ubiquitous with collision. It's wrong, but getting upset about that is silly because 99% of our society uses the words synonymously.
Second, while Jack Posobiec is the worst kind of human filth, when people dismiss his videos simply because of the source, you're kind of proving CountryRoads' point.
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hairy
Fluff has become the scoop tough guy and getting a straight answer is not going to happen. The Waukesha tragedy was horrible event and only an idiot could argue that. The whole thing makes me sad and debating it on here has made things worse for me.
I should know better than to discuss anything like this on here. Made me feel worse as well. My youngest goes to CMH and we know some of the people who were there and some of the families at Waukesha Catholic that were injured. Makes me sick to my stomach.
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hairy
Some on here do not realize, or maybe care, that some scoopers were affected directly or indirectly from the tragedy. I am also sick over this and cannot believe their is any debate on the topic.
Prayers to your friends that were injured. Hope they have a speedy recovery.
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hairy
Fluff has become the scoop tough guy and getting a straight answer is not going to happen. The Waukesha tragedy was horrible event and only an idiot could argue that.
Getting a straight answer on what? I just can't imagine being so obsessed about "the media" that you get upset about the word choices they use. And no one is arguing it isn't tragic. What kind of strawman is that?
The whole thing makes me sad and debating it on here has made things worse for me.
Then don't. Again, Scoop isn't a requirement.
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You mean like, let's say, a white 17 year old complaining about looters and rioters, and how he wish he had an AR-15 so he could shoot them, then going out and getting an AR-15, going to a protest/riot and shooting them.
The Waukesha killer is evil. Let him rot in prison. No reason to create agendas around this, especially ones not supported by evidence/history.
Kyle Rittenhouse said he wished he had an AR 15 so he could shoot looters and rioters? I call BS - if not, source please.
But you actually make my point. On one hand, you have a kid accused of being a white supremicist by every news outlet other than Fox and by politicians everywhere (including our great Uniter president) without any evidence. And lots of “facts” about the case repeated ad nauseum about the incident proved totally false. The president’s and the media’s response when called out on their lies and misstatements of facts? Mostly crickets. Because the facts don’t matter. Kyle Rittenhouse fit the narrative and was a useful bogeyman.
On the other hand, you have a black perp with a history of using a car as a weapon who (in his own words) is angry about the Rittenhouse verdict and wants to “F up” old white people. Then he mows down a bunch of old white people (some young ones too for good measure) with his car. But these facts don’t speak to motive. We have to hear it (again) from him or else we’re jumping to conclusions.
If you don’t see a double standard and unfair treatment here you’re just being willfully ignorant.
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Kyle Rittenhouse said he wished he had an AR 15 so he could shoot looters and rioters? I call BS - if not, source please.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2021/08/18/prosecutors-want-names-all-donors-kyle-rittenhouse-legal-defense/8188090002/
https://youtu.be/l3B_tpccOnw
But you actually make my point. On one hand, you have a kid accused of being a white supremicist by every news outlet other than Fox and by politicians everywhere (including our great Uniter president) without any evidence.
Every news outlet except Fox called him a white supremicist? I call BS- if not, source please.
The rest is a sad, desperate attempt to create a narrative that doesn't exist.
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Don’t care about the media. Do care this guy gets the maximum sentence and the people raising money for the victims get a lot of support and help lessen the burden on the victims of this senseless act of violence
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Lenny's accuses others of being "willfully ignorant" yet routinely ignores evidence presented that causes his narratives to fall apart.
I'd be surprised but I'm really not.
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Don’t care about the media. Do care this guy gets the maximum sentence and the people raising money for the victims get a lot of support and help lessen the burden on the victims of this senseless act of violence
Well said. I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in here already but it was great to hear how crowded the 3 Culver's stores in Waukesha were on Wednesday. The Culver's on Sunset and Main gave 50% of their profits from the day to the United Way fund for the parade victims and the Culver's on Grandview gave 50% of their profits from the day to the Waukesha Xtreme Dance team. Kudos to the community for going to Culver's to support the parade victims and their families.
And there are plenty of other fundraisers happening also of course.
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Don’t care about the media. Do care this guy gets the maximum sentence and the people raising money for the victims get a lot of support and help lessen the burden on the victims of this senseless act of violence
Yes.
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Well said. I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in here already but it was great to hear how crowded the 3 Culver's stores in Waukesha were on Wednesday. The Culver's on Sunset and Main gave 50% of their profits from the day to the United Way fund for the parade victims and the Culver's on Grandview gave 50% of their profits from the day to the Waukesha Xtreme Dance team. Kudos to the community for going to Culver's to support the parade victims and their families.
And there are plenty of other fundraisers happening also of course.
And the two Jersey Mikes in Waukesha donated 100% of sales Wednesday to community relief efforts for parade victims. North of $18,000.
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Two thoughts...
The use of the word accident is incorrect, but paid professionals refer to pretty much any car collision as "accidents" all the time. I have written a ton of reports on car collisions and it was only through deliberate and thoughtful action that I broke myself of that habit. I did so because the use of accident automatically implies a motive that I couldn't possibly know. Now one of my duties is reviewing reports of hundreds of professionals that write reports at such incidents and the word accident is pretty much ubiquitous with collision. It's wrong, but getting upset about that is silly because 99% of our society uses the words synonymously.
Second, while Jack Posobiec is the worst kind of human filth, when people dismiss his videos simply because of the source, you're kind of proving CountryRoads' point.
Disagree 100%. The video that those folks were reacting to exists, and there is no reason to post the version of them reacting. I'm going to dismiss every video with Jack Posobiac on its face because any information he attempts to bring to a conversation he taints.
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Stories like this are covered a few days by the National outlets and then they move on. They’ll be back when there is a trial or he pleads.
Really lacking perspective if people think “the media” is pushing an agenda here.
Because there will be another mass killing to take its place.
Viva la America
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https://youtu.be/l3B_tpccOnw
Wow. Somehow, I hadn't heard that before. Using the definition some are giving here, that's a sign of a premeditated act that Rittenhouse then fulfilled, and he should have gone away for murder.
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Wow. Somehow, I hadn't heard that before. Using the definition some are giving here, that's a sign of a premeditated act that Rittenhouse then fulfilled, and he should have gone away for murder.
Yeah, people are twisting themselves into pretzels to try to fit their agenda.
Just as bad as “the media” is, it appears.
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Wow. Somehow, I hadn't heard that before. Using the definition some are giving here, that's a sign of a premeditated act that Rittenhouse then fulfilled, and he should have gone away for murder.
I thought it was a pretty controversial decision not to allow that video to be part of the evidence. Although, I believe there are similar pieces of evidence that are typically excluded from murder trials that relate to the defendant or victim’s character.
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Wow. Somehow, I hadn't heard that before. Using the definition some are giving here, that's a sign of a premeditated act that Rittenhouse then fulfilled, and he should have gone away for murder.
The judge refused to allow the prosecution from showing the video, and forbid any questioning that may at all reference it.
It was one of the reasons the judge got angry with the prosecution in that they asked a questions regarding why he wanted an AR15 and what he wanted to do to rioters/looters.
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[quote author=Pakuni
Every news outlet except Fox called him a white supremicist? I call BS- if not, source please.
The rest is a sad, desperate attempt to create a narrative that doesn't exist.
[/quote]
https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/582816-will-media-portrayals-of-rittenhouse-lead-to-another-day-in-court
Apologize for “every” - that’s almost always an overstatement. But do you honestly think the MSM played this even handedly and down the middle? We’ll see when the lawsuits starts, but my guess is that Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be a very wealthy young man. And it won’t be because of misguided folks on the right making him a hero - though I’m sure there’s plenty of that. It will be due to misguided folks on the left who didn’t let the facts get into the way of a picture they wanted to paint.
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[quote author=Pakuni
Every news outlet except Fox called him a white supremicist? I call BS- if not, source please.
The rest is a sad, desperate attempt to create a narrative that doesn't exist.
https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/582816-will-media-portrayals-of-rittenhouse-lead-to-another-day-in-court
Apologize for “every” - that’s almost always an overstatement. But do you honestly think the MSM played this even handedly and down the middle? We’ll see when the lawsuits starts, but my guess is that Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be a very wealthy young man. And it won’t be because of misguided folks on the right making him a hero - though I’m sure there’s plenty of that. It will be due to misguided folks on the left who didn’t let the facts get into the way of a picture they wanted to paint.
Thoughts on the video your hero saying he wants to go get his AR15 to shoot rioters? Just the media pushing a narrative?
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One would hope Kyle let’s it go, he’s not winning civil suits from all the victims.
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[quote author=Pakuni
Every news outlet except Fox called him a white supremicist? I call BS- if not, source please.
The rest is a sad, desperate attempt to create a narrative that doesn't exist.
https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/582816-will-media-portrayals-of-rittenhouse-lead-to-another-day-in-court
Apologize for “every” - that’s almost always an overstatement. But do you honestly think the MSM played this even handedly and down the middle? We’ll see when the lawsuits starts, but my guess is that Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be a very wealthy young man. And it won’t be because of misguided folks on the right making him a hero - though I’m sure there’s plenty of that. It will be due to misguided folks on the left who didn’t let the facts get into the way of a picture they wanted to paint.
I'm no trial expert, but I know rules for defamation trials are quite different than for murder trials. Will the media outlets that Rittenhouse sues be allowed to demonstrate Rittenhouse's state of mind, including by showing a video in which he said he wished he had a bleeping AR so he could start shooting people? I guess we'll see.
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Take the rittenhouse agenda to another locked thread and let's keep thread focus on waukesha, please.
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Thoughts on the video your hero saying he wants to go get his AR15 to shoot rioters? Just the media pushing a narrative?
My hero? LOL. Dishonest as usual.
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I'm no trial expert, but… I guess we'll see.
Yes we will.
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My hero? LOL. Dishonest as usual.
You’ve been dishonest this entire topic so…
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Rittenhouse drove the media over his car
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Yes we will.
I am curious though, Lenny ...
You believe the Waukesha murderer leaves no doubt -- he said he wanted to kill old white people and dammit if he didn't kill old white people. He leaves no doubt for me, either. He made his state of mind and intentions very clear, he carried out his intentions, and he deserves to rot in prison for the rest of his life.
But Rittenhouse saying he wished he had his bleeping assault rifle so he could start shooting people ... and then actually going out and shooting people with his assault rifle ... that doesn't go toward his state of mind or intent for you?
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Take the rittenhouse agenda to another locked thread and let's keep thread focus on waukesha, please.
Bump.
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Ziggy
82 won’t be happy until he gets the thread locked. He simply cannot control himself.
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Ziggy
82 won’t be happy until he gets the thread locked. He simply cannot control himself.
Goose
Lenny brought up that entire line of thinking, but thanks for your concern.
I am glad you and your family had a happy and safe Thanksgiving. Stay well.
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Ziggy
82 won’t be happy until he gets the thread locked. He simply cannot control himself.
Uhhh. Lenny’s is the one who started this ridiculous line of discussion.
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I am curious though, Lenny ...
You believe the Waukesha murderer leaves no doubt -- he said he wanted to kill old white people and dammit if he didn't kill old white people. He leaves no doubt for me, either. He made his state of mind and intentions very clear, he carried out his intentions, and he deserves to rot in prison for the rest of his life.
But Rittenhouse saying he wished he had his bleeping assault rifle so he could start shooting people ... and then actually going out and shooting people with his assault rifle ... that doesn't go toward his state of mind or intent for you?
They'd be comparable if Rittenhouse just opened fire on a group of completely unsuspecting people, killing indiscriminately.
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I guess people will find outrage when they want to be outraged.
If intentionally plowing a 3500+ lb. SUV into a crowd of thousands of people, killing 6 and injuring 50+, can dishonestly be dismissed as a "car crash" or an "accident" by the media, then Charlottesville must have been nothing more than a "minor fender bender". And George Floyd was not a police killing, but merely "law enforcement overreaction". Funny, I don't recall the media rebranding or sanitizing descriptions of either Charlottesville or Minneapolis---nor should they have.
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If intentionally plowing a 3500+ lb. SUV into a crowd of thousands of people, killing 6 and injuring 50+, can dishonestly be dismissed as a "car crash" or an "accident" by the media, then Charlottesville must have been nothing more than a "minor fender bender". And George Floyd was not a police killing, but merely "law enforcement overreaction". Funny, I don't recall the media rebranding or sanitizing descriptions of either Charlottesville or Minneapolis---nor should they have.
Charlottesville white nationalist rally blamed for 3 deaths ...
https://www.foxnews.com › charlottesville-white-nationali...
Aug 12, 2017 — Video shows car crashing into Charlottesville protest.
The crash occurred approximately two hours after clashes in which hundreds of people scramed, chanted, threw punches, hurled water bottles and unleashed chemical sprays on each other ahead of the scheduled noon demonstration.
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If intentionally plowing a 3500+ lb. SUV into a crowd of thousands of people, killing 6 and injuring 50+, can dishonestly be dismissed as a "car crash" or an "accident" by the media, then Charlottesville must have been nothing more than a "minor fender bender". And George Floyd was not a police killing, but merely "law enforcement overreaction". Funny, I don't recall the media rebranding or sanitizing descriptions of either Charlottesville or Minneapolis---nor should they have.
Again, I will focus my anger on the incident. You can focus your anger at how "the media" describes the incident.
BTW, anyone who thinks "the media" is trying to "sanitize" this incident isn't thinking clearly.
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And the two Jersey Mikes in Waukesha donated 100% of sales Wednesday to community relief efforts for parade victims. North of $18,000.
Yes they had a great fundraiser also and a number of other businesses are helping out also.
Here's a list the Waukesha Freeman put together of some ways to help out:
https://www.gmtoday.com/news/ways-to-help-in-the-aftermath-of-the-waukesha-christmas-parade-tragedy/article_be8a2e2a-4bbb-11ec-84c1-d7f6aea0f78a.html?fbclid=IwAR1XFjHiuYC3tajcJyNe42WzVh8FlBbclNel47e-MSGHKms6ohJWl-MfhB0
Additionally the Waukesha West/CMH Girls Swim & Dive team is hosting a Culver's Night from 5p-8p Monday 11/29 at the Culver's on Sunset. Citizens Bank employee Jane Kulich who was one of the parade victims was a swim mom and 100% of funds raised will go to the Kulich family. Additionally they will have a donation box present at Culver's that night.
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Thank you for the link.
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They'd be comparable if Rittenhouse just opened fire on a group of completely unsuspecting people, killing indiscriminately.
Thanks for your response. Although I think you're dismissing Rittenhouse's intent and state of mind a little too easily -- the men he killed also were "unsuspecting" in that they didn't go to Kenosha thinking there was a chance they'd get killed by a person who earlier had said he'd start shooting with an assault rifle if he had one -- I do understand the distinction you've made. The folks participating in the Waukesha parade (rather than the Kenosha mayhem) obviously had even less reason to believe they'd be involved in any kind of violence, and it was a heinous act perpetrated by an evil man. I think we'll both agree that all of the deaths, in both tragedies, were unnecessary and horrible.
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Charlottesville white nationalist rally blamed for 3 deaths ...
https://www.foxnews.com › charlottesville-white-nationali...
Aug 12, 2017 — Video shows car crashing into Charlottesville protest.
The crash occurred approximately two hours after clashes in which hundreds of people scramed, chanted, threw punches, hurled water bottles and unleashed chemical sprays on each other ahead of the scheduled noon demonstration.
Weird.
We’ll see crickets from the people who want to blame “the media” for everything.
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Thanks for your response. Although I think you're dismissing Rittenhouse's intent and state of mind a little too easily -- the men he killed also were "unsuspecting" in that they didn't go to Kenosha thinking there was a chance they'd get killed by a person who earlier had said he'd start shooting with an assault rifle if he had one -- I do understand the distinction you've made. The folks participating in the Waukesha parade (rather than the Kenosha mayhem) obviously had even less reason to believe they'd be involved in any kind of violence, and it was a heinous act perpetrated by an evil man. I think we'll both agree that all of the deaths, in both tragedies, were unnecessary and horrible.
I think the comparison should be somewhere between the Oklahoma State parade massacre (which I admittedly forgot all about) and the Dylan Roof Charleston church massacre. OSU parade was apparently someone having a psychotic break and the Charleston massacre was someone targeting people because of their race in hopes of starting a race war, which I think would constitute terrorism. I found it odd the police came out and said this wasn't terrorism so quickly. I would think you'd need to investigate the killer's internet history and interview his friends and family before that could be determined.
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I found it odd the police came out and said this wasn't terrorism so quickly. I would think you'd need to investigate the killer's internet history and interview his friends and family before that could be determined.
It was nearly 24 hours between this occurring and cops coming out and saying this wasn't terrorism. Do you not believe they used that time to do these things? Or are they so utterly incompetent that they didn't think of it? Or is it a cover up? One of these three things must be true,
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Weird.
We’ll see crickets from the people who want to blame “the media” for everything.
I don’t have a problem with a description that states a car crashed into a group of protesters or a group in a parade. It may not be the most precise description but it’s not inaccurate. Calling either incident an “accident” is a whole other story.
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When it’s intentional, they should say that a driver caused his car (SUV) to crash into the parade or crowd, etc. Unless we’re talking about Kitt or Christine, the driver did all the causing.
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Lol. We are still debating what “the media” should call this? My lord.
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I think the comparison should be somewhere between the Oklahoma State parade massacre (which I admittedly forgot all about) and the Dylan Roof Charleston church massacre. OSU parade was apparently someone having a psychotic break and the Charleston massacre was someone targeting people because of their race in hopes of starting a race war, which I think would constitute terrorism. I found it odd the police came out and said this wasn't terrorism so quickly. I would think you'd need to investigate the killer's internet history and interview his friends and family before that could be determined.
All different incidents, obviously. I don't know enough about at least a couple of them to comment further. Thanks for the conversation, BB.
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It was nearly 24 hours between this occurring and cops coming out and saying this wasn't terrorism. Do you not believe they used that time to do these things? Or are they so utterly incompetent that they didn't think of it? Or is it a cover up? One of these three things must be true,
I don't think you and I are that far off when it comes to the capabilty of police. I don't think that time frame was enough to determine the motive of the attack. Pure opinion from me btw.
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I don’t have a problem with a description that states a car crashed into a group of protesters or a group in a parade. It may not be the most precise description but it’s not inaccurate. Calling either incident an “accident” is a whole other story.
This is truly the most cop-out crap ever. Fox calling that crap a car crash is just as dishonest as whoever called waukesha an accident
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It was nearly 24 hours between this occurring and cops coming out and saying this wasn't terrorism. Do you not believe they used that time to do these things? Or are they so utterly incompetent that they didn't think of it? Or is it a cover up? One of these three things must be true,
Sorry I came to this last. I'm drunk, from my cousin's wedding this weekend. I personally don't believe that was concluded in the timeframe of the investigation. I'll be happy to take the slings and arrows if I'm wrong. Racial hatered is a losing ideology for anyone that adopts it and should be admonished by all. Again, these are my opinions.
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Fluff
Scoop is not a requirement, don’t read the thread if you do not like the debate.
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Fluff
Scoop is not a requirement, don’t read the thread if you do not like the debate.
Goose
His 1000 posts in the last 3 months and nearly 5000 in the past year suggest that to be a near impossibility.
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Racial hatered is a losing ideology for anyone that adopts it and should be admonished by all. Again, these are my opinions.
Agreed!
Which makes me wonder why some here are trying so hard to make this about race.
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Goose
His 1000 posts in the last 3 months and nearly 5000 in the past year suggest that to be a near impossibility.
There’s nothing better than when people on a message board try to make fun of people for…spending time on the message board they’re posting on.
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Lenny
We are blessed to have his insight on a wide range of topics.
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Goose
His 1000 posts in the last 3 months and nearly 5000 in the past year suggest that to be a near impossibility.
Lenny
We are blessed to have his insight on a wide range of topics.
This is so f*cking hilarious.
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Agreed!
Which makes me wonder why some here are trying so hard to make this about race.
This is hillarious coming from the most racist poster on scoop
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This is hillarious coming from the most racist poster on scoop
Deer lord…
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I feel a lock coming.
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Deer lord…
You worship deer?
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You worship deer?
Just mimicking your inability to spell.
Regardless, calling Pak the “most racist poster on Scoop” is not only inaccurate, it shows an inability to actually participate in a serious discussion.
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This is hillarious coming from the most racist poster on scoop
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I feel a lock coming.
Trending...
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The irony of the crowd that doesn't bother to call people what they ask to be called getting butt hurt about what the media calls this is PEAK irony.